"EU pressured Belgrade to hold Pride Parade"

The mask is off. The "Pride Parade" was all about intolerance...to the Serb nation and Church. It was all about cultural and political imperialism...imposing the sick "values" of the EU corpse on others. And it was all about quislings...strutting about with EU flags and officials while Serbs are murdered that very day in Kosovo under EU/NATO auspices. Again, if parading homosexuals are the new test of "civilization", thank God you failed the test. The EU is a collection of corpses whose native populations are declining because they don't form families and have children. That is not a "civilization"; that's a morgue.

Who the hell is Brussels to tell Serbia what to do? Maybe they are at ease with promoting immorality but they should butt out of Serbia's business. If the gays want to do what they do behind closed doors that's up to them, the gays have no business or right trying to ram their ideas down our throats.

I wonder if Brussels is putting any pressure on the Kosovo authorities to find the killers of a father who went out for something to eat with his son? Is the right to be Serbian in Kosovo of less value than the right to be gay in Belgrade in the minds of the Eurocrats in Brussels?

Good to see that Serbs are staying true to themselves, their values, their culture, their traditions and their common senses!!!

I have a gay cousin who recently just confessed/came out(whatever people want to call it).. anyway I don't look at him any differently than I did before because I really don't get involved in his personal life and I don't need to waste my time on that.

Do I think he should have the rights I do? Yes.
Do I think he should be allowed to march down the streets of Belgrade, parading his sexuality? NO!!!
Do I love Serbia for being a country based on good traditional family values? Yes.
Do I love Serbia for being true to its history/traditions/cultural identity and for NOT changing everything to be more like other countries? Yes.

Zivela Srbija!

So what if the EU did pressure you Mr Minister? That is of no significance. The failures are yours - not theirs.

This is an issue of democracy within Serbia, and to not let this parade go ahead in the near future would be a failure of Serbian democracy. Serbia should take pride in its citizens expressing their views - how ever unpopular those views may be.

I say this with the proviso that Serbia needs to preserve all the freedoms of all the citizens. The citizens who should be suppressed are those that try to suppress others or those who use threats or violence.

The police should be disciplined if they do not do their job as required. Politicians should assert control over the police.

This parade should be held as soon as possible - I suggest next week. While issues of homosexuality are of no particular interest to me. Issues of democratic expression and democratic governance are.

I'm not sure any of your colleagues would have have to fight a civil uprising in response to 500 people walking in the park.

sad

"I have no dilemma that any of my EU colleagues would do the same if faced with a similar challenge,”

Your EU colleagues would have been working hard since last year to identify and punish the organisers of that violence. Nor would they have allowed police unions to break ranks and try to influence events with press conferences.

Trizo,

So does your cousin have the right to walk down the street holding hands with his boyfriend? And, if not, as a traditional Serb who supports and loves his family, are you going to help him get that right?

trizo,

you have the right to express affection for your partner in public, you can hold hands, kiss and even get married in front of onlookers. So you say you think your cousin should have the same rights you do. My question, which you failed to answer is this; if your cousin were to hold hands with his boyfriend in public, he stands a good chance of being badly beaten, would you come to his defense or would you stand by and watch a member of your family be assaulted merely because you don't like who he is sleeping with? Would you give in to your prejudices or would you uphold the proud Serbian traditions of tolerance and loyalty to family?

ya, Leo. It's pretty "sick" when 500 people walk in the park.

@ DD,

Clearly I'm not going to help him get that right (when I just told you I'm against the parade).

There are so many places in the world where you can express gay love... what is the problem with Serbia being a place where you can't?

I would love to see what all the EU big shots think when Croatia hold a 'gay parade'...... do you honestly think that this is tolerated in the streets of Zagreb or Split???

Is Brussels going to say to their new beloved member country 'Hrvatska' that they can't join after they see the uncontrolled violence at the next gay parade in Croatia?

What about Poland? Does Brussels consider revoking Poland's membership after watching a gay parade eventuate down the streets of Warsawa?

I would tell my cousin to his face that I don't believe it's right for him or any other gay to make a big day and parade in Belgrade as it would offend the majority.

"Thee interior minister said that the rights of the gay community were not jeopardized, given that all risky gatherings scheduled for Sunday were also banned."

So since it isn't safe for Gay Serbs to protest and assembly on the streets of Belgrade, I'd assume that groups opposed to Gay rights, such as the Serbian Orthodox Church, Obraz, Nasi 1389, etc. will be banned from all offical events and be banned from congregating in public?

I'm looking forward to Dacic's plan for allowing for the Pride Parade on the streets of central urban Belgrade in the future. It should include arrests of those threating. In the West, people are saying that the reason the police cancelled the parade is because on duty police officers didn't want to have to arrest violent off duty police officers.

But then again, since Dacic and the unprofessional police are too busy colluding with anti-Gay Dverists, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Trizo, for your info in Croatia they hold annual Gay Pride Parades. They have held them in Zagreb each year since 2002. At the start the general public didn't know what to make of it. Some felt threatened by it while most didn't give a toss. At the start there was some violence but the local authorities and police acted swiftly that these days you never have any problems. The next phase is holding the same parade in other cities in Croatia. This year the first one was held in Split but had some minor problems. However the police did their job and protected the participants. Next year's event in Split should be better. Sometimes you need to test the waters but in Serbia's case it truely highlights how pathetic the government and police are in doing their jobs. It even makes the Serbian public look more patheitc that they feel so threatenend by a minority group seeking equality. Sure Serbia has a mountain of other issues but the cancellation of the pride parade once again in Belgrade shows how immature Serbia is as a nation and how Serbia shouldn't be allowed into the EU until extremist attitudes within society are finally removed ....

Why is there constantly all of this talk about being like other countries or not being like other countries? How about thinking about something purely in terms of whether or not it will make Serbia a better place for its people? Gay Serbs are also Serbs. The whole point of this is to raise awareness of their situation. They do not have the same rights as everyone else.

"The EU is a collection of corpses whose native populations are declining because they don't form families and have children. That is not a "civilization"; that's a morgue."
(Leo, 4 October 2011 14:55)

Yes, better do it like in Kosovo, where family clans still exist and couples in average have 6-8 children, though they can hardly feed them and later they are all unemployed. That's civilization (in Africa, at least)

Dacic lied. There were public gatherings on the streets of Serbia on Sunday night. They were celebrating Serbia's womens' volleyball victory. I thought ALL gatherings were to be banned. At least that's what the letter sent to Parada Ponosa said. Oops. It turns out that it was only the Gay freedom of speech that was suppressed.

So it turns out that not all public gatherings were banned. Just the Gay ones. We'll see you in Strasbourg at the Eurocourt.

Why not do a little research when discussing demographics? Europe is not the only part of the world where the population is aging and there are low birth rates. Birth rates are rapidly falling everywhere except in some African countries. This is part of the process of modernization and happened earlier in Europe. However, most interestingly, when they decline they are even lower in societies that are patriarchal and have less gender equality (once again, read about demography). The situation is worst in Eastern Europe because there is such a high level of emigration. Birth rates in Albania (and Turkey as well as much of North Africa, i.e. the more modernized Islamic countries) are approaching the levels of Northern Europe. Albanians in Kosovo are still higher fertility but this is falling too not to mention that they are emigrating in massive numbers and there is nowhere near enough economic development to prevent this from continuing for decades. Stop relying on the same old arguments with no factual basis.

Trizo Said

There are so many places in the world where you can express gay love... what is the problem with Serbia being a place where you can't? "

My response. Name one country in the EU or the civilized world where being Gay means that you can't exist in public? And no, Russia's kleptocracy doesn't qualify as civilized.

Trizo Said, I would love to see what all the EU big shots think when Croatia hold a 'gay parade'...... do you honestly think that this is tolerated in the streets of Zagreb or Split???

My response: Actually Zagreb's Gay Pride was peaceful. We had a problem in Split. We'll have another Gay Pride Parade in Split (along the same route this year). The Croats will protect it this time.

Trizo said

Is Brussels going to say to their new beloved member country 'Hrvatska' that they can't join after they see the uncontrolled violence at the next gay parade in Croatia?

My response: See above

Trizo said

What about Poland? Does Brussels consider revoking Poland's membership after watching a gay parade eventuate down the streets of Warsawa?

My response: Poland has held Gay Pride parades in all of its major cities for years. Last year there was a small issue in Lodz (wasn't banned or even threatened), but other than that no problems. If you'd like to see the Warsaw gay pride parade, you'll see that it was well attended, peaceful, and violence free. For the 6th straight year.

Trizo said I would tell my cousin to his face that I don't believe it's right for him or any other gay to make a big day and parade in Belgrade as it would offend the majority.

My response: So don't whine when Croatia bans you from protesting or Kosova bans you from protesting. Because Serbs are the minority in those areas. Your cousin probably knows you're an homophobic bigot.
(trizo, 4 October 2011 17:23)

Who the hell is Brussels to tell Serbia what to do? Maybe they are at ease with promoting immorality but they should butt out of Serbia's business. If the gays want to do what they do behind closed doors that's up to them, the gays have no business or right trying to ram their ideas down our throats.
(Steve Gligorijevic, 4 October 2011 15:21)

Steve as long as Serbia wants to join EU they need to care what EU says. is simple like if you want to join a club (golf, tennis etc) there are club rules and you need to obey or just not join.

EU is biggest Donator to Serbia, you think there is no conditions to that cash coming in.

Its Serbias choice just say do not want to join but they are so bend out of shape to join in especially since Croatia is set to join in 2013. Serbia will do more bending in next 8 years last bend will come from Croatia, Hungary etc but this all in due time.

To Bob!

Sure there is a lot of good points you have made but....You have failed to see the big picture!....LEO you summarized it the best! actually the best of the best!

Danilo:

I sensed that in you...

Dacic lied. There were public gatherings on the streets of Serbia on Sunday night. They were celebrating Serbia's womens' volleyball victory. I thought ALL gatherings were to be banned. At least that's what the letter sent to Parada Ponosa said. Oops. It turns out that it was only the Gay freedom of speech that was suppressed. So it turns out that not all public gatherings were banned. Just the Gay ones. We'll see you in Strasbourg at the Eurocourt.(Tom in Lazybrook, 4 October 2011 22:17)

Good, Tom -- I think they're open for it, at least some of the Pride organizers. let's get a good lgbt (supportive)legal team going, and make it a cause celebre. time to shake things up, and i, personally, can hardly wait. i'm sick of those boring, hypocritical hacks (dacic and co) controlling the narrative. they may have won this battle, but we shall win the struggle. we don't need another imitation belarus, putin-russia, iran, or n. korea, thank you very much.

we shall overcome!

roberto frisco

I'm not sure any of your colleagues would have have to fight a civil uprising in response to 500 people walking in the park.

sad

So what if the EU did pressure you Mr Minister? That is of no significance. The failures are yours - not theirs.

This is an issue of democracy within Serbia, and to not let this parade go ahead in the near future would be a failure of Serbian democracy. Serbia should take pride in its citizens expressing their views - how ever unpopular those views may be.

I say this with the proviso that Serbia needs to preserve all the freedoms of all the citizens. The citizens who should be suppressed are those that try to suppress others or those who use threats or violence.

The police should be disciplined if they do not do their job as required. Politicians should assert control over the police.

This parade should be held as soon as possible - I suggest next week. While issues of homosexuality are of no particular interest to me. Issues of democratic expression and democratic governance are.

"I have no dilemma that any of my EU colleagues would do the same if faced with a similar challenge,”

Your EU colleagues would have been working hard since last year to identify and punish the organisers of that violence. Nor would they have allowed police unions to break ranks and try to influence events with press conferences.

ya, Leo. It's pretty "sick" when 500 people walk in the park.

Dacic lied. There were public gatherings on the streets of Serbia on Sunday night. They were celebrating Serbia's womens' volleyball victory. I thought ALL gatherings were to be banned. At least that's what the letter sent to Parada Ponosa said. Oops. It turns out that it was only the Gay freedom of speech that was suppressed.

So it turns out that not all public gatherings were banned. Just the Gay ones. We'll see you in Strasbourg at the Eurocourt.

The mask is off. The "Pride Parade" was all about intolerance...to the Serb nation and Church. It was all about cultural and political imperialism...imposing the sick "values" of the EU corpse on others. And it was all about quislings...strutting about with EU flags and officials while Serbs are murdered that very day in Kosovo under EU/NATO auspices. Again, if parading homosexuals are the new test of "civilization", thank God you failed the test. The EU is a collection of corpses whose native populations are declining because they don't form families and have children. That is not a "civilization"; that's a morgue.

Trizo,

So does your cousin have the right to walk down the street holding hands with his boyfriend? And, if not, as a traditional Serb who supports and loves his family, are you going to help him get that right?

I wonder if Brussels is putting any pressure on the Kosovo authorities to find the killers of a father who went out for something to eat with his son? Is the right to be Serbian in Kosovo of less value than the right to be gay in Belgrade in the minds of the Eurocrats in Brussels?

Good to see that Serbs are staying true to themselves, their values, their culture, their traditions and their common senses!!!

I have a gay cousin who recently just confessed/came out(whatever people want to call it).. anyway I don't look at him any differently than I did before because I really don't get involved in his personal life and I don't need to waste my time on that.

Do I think he should have the rights I do? Yes.
Do I think he should be allowed to march down the streets of Belgrade, parading his sexuality? NO!!!
Do I love Serbia for being a country based on good traditional family values? Yes.
Do I love Serbia for being true to its history/traditions/cultural identity and for NOT changing everything to be more like other countries? Yes.

Zivela Srbija!

"Thee interior minister said that the rights of the gay community were not jeopardized, given that all risky gatherings scheduled for Sunday were also banned."

So since it isn't safe for Gay Serbs to protest and assembly on the streets of Belgrade, I'd assume that groups opposed to Gay rights, such as the Serbian Orthodox Church, Obraz, Nasi 1389, etc. will be banned from all offical events and be banned from congregating in public?

I'm looking forward to Dacic's plan for allowing for the Pride Parade on the streets of central urban Belgrade in the future. It should include arrests of those threating. In the West, people are saying that the reason the police cancelled the parade is because on duty police officers didn't want to have to arrest violent off duty police officers.

But then again, since Dacic and the unprofessional police are too busy colluding with anti-Gay Dverists, I wouldn't hold my breath.

"The EU is a collection of corpses whose native populations are declining because they don't form families and have children. That is not a "civilization"; that's a morgue."
(Leo, 4 October 2011 14:55)

Yes, better do it like in Kosovo, where family clans still exist and couples in average have 6-8 children, though they can hardly feed them and later they are all unemployed. That's civilization (in Africa, at least)

Who the hell is Brussels to tell Serbia what to do? Maybe they are at ease with promoting immorality but they should butt out of Serbia's business. If the gays want to do what they do behind closed doors that's up to them, the gays have no business or right trying to ram their ideas down our throats.

@ DD,

Clearly I'm not going to help him get that right (when I just told you I'm against the parade).

There are so many places in the world where you can express gay love... what is the problem with Serbia being a place where you can't?

I would love to see what all the EU big shots think when Croatia hold a 'gay parade'...... do you honestly think that this is tolerated in the streets of Zagreb or Split???

Is Brussels going to say to their new beloved member country 'Hrvatska' that they can't join after they see the uncontrolled violence at the next gay parade in Croatia?

What about Poland? Does Brussels consider revoking Poland's membership after watching a gay parade eventuate down the streets of Warsawa?

I would tell my cousin to his face that I don't believe it's right for him or any other gay to make a big day and parade in Belgrade as it would offend the majority.

Who the hell is Brussels to tell Serbia what to do? Maybe they are at ease with promoting immorality but they should butt out of Serbia's business. If the gays want to do what they do behind closed doors that's up to them, the gays have no business or right trying to ram their ideas down our throats.
(Steve Gligorijevic, 4 October 2011 15:21)

Steve as long as Serbia wants to join EU they need to care what EU says. is simple like if you want to join a club (golf, tennis etc) there are club rules and you need to obey or just not join.

EU is biggest Donator to Serbia, you think there is no conditions to that cash coming in.

Its Serbias choice just say do not want to join but they are so bend out of shape to join in especially since Croatia is set to join in 2013. Serbia will do more bending in next 8 years last bend will come from Croatia, Hungary etc but this all in due time.

Why is there constantly all of this talk about being like other countries or not being like other countries? How about thinking about something purely in terms of whether or not it will make Serbia a better place for its people? Gay Serbs are also Serbs. The whole point of this is to raise awareness of their situation. They do not have the same rights as everyone else.

To Bob!

Sure there is a lot of good points you have made but....You have failed to see the big picture!....LEO you summarized it the best! actually the best of the best!

Danilo:

I sensed that in you...

Trizo, for your info in Croatia they hold annual Gay Pride Parades. They have held them in Zagreb each year since 2002. At the start the general public didn't know what to make of it. Some felt threatened by it while most didn't give a toss. At the start there was some violence but the local authorities and police acted swiftly that these days you never have any problems. The next phase is holding the same parade in other cities in Croatia. This year the first one was held in Split but had some minor problems. However the police did their job and protected the participants. Next year's event in Split should be better. Sometimes you need to test the waters but in Serbia's case it truely highlights how pathetic the government and police are in doing their jobs. It even makes the Serbian public look more patheitc that they feel so threatenend by a minority group seeking equality. Sure Serbia has a mountain of other issues but the cancellation of the pride parade once again in Belgrade shows how immature Serbia is as a nation and how Serbia shouldn't be allowed into the EU until extremist attitudes within society are finally removed ....

Dacic lied. There were public gatherings on the streets of Serbia on Sunday night. They were celebrating Serbia's womens' volleyball victory. I thought ALL gatherings were to be banned. At least that's what the letter sent to Parada Ponosa said. Oops. It turns out that it was only the Gay freedom of speech that was suppressed. So it turns out that not all public gatherings were banned. Just the Gay ones. We'll see you in Strasbourg at the Eurocourt.(Tom in Lazybrook, 4 October 2011 22:17)

Good, Tom -- I think they're open for it, at least some of the Pride organizers. let's get a good lgbt (supportive)legal team going, and make it a cause celebre. time to shake things up, and i, personally, can hardly wait. i'm sick of those boring, hypocritical hacks (dacic and co) controlling the narrative. they may have won this battle, but we shall win the struggle. we don't need another imitation belarus, putin-russia, iran, or n. korea, thank you very much.

we shall overcome!

roberto frisco

Why not do a little research when discussing demographics? Europe is not the only part of the world where the population is aging and there are low birth rates. Birth rates are rapidly falling everywhere except in some African countries. This is part of the process of modernization and happened earlier in Europe. However, most interestingly, when they decline they are even lower in societies that are patriarchal and have less gender equality (once again, read about demography). The situation is worst in Eastern Europe because there is such a high level of emigration. Birth rates in Albania (and Turkey as well as much of North Africa, i.e. the more modernized Islamic countries) are approaching the levels of Northern Europe. Albanians in Kosovo are still higher fertility but this is falling too not to mention that they are emigrating in massive numbers and there is nowhere near enough economic development to prevent this from continuing for decades. Stop relying on the same old arguments with no factual basis.

Trizo Said

There are so many places in the world where you can express gay love... what is the problem with Serbia being a place where you can't? "

My response. Name one country in the EU or the civilized world where being Gay means that you can't exist in public? And no, Russia's kleptocracy doesn't qualify as civilized.

Trizo Said, I would love to see what all the EU big shots think when Croatia hold a 'gay parade'...... do you honestly think that this is tolerated in the streets of Zagreb or Split???

My response: Actually Zagreb's Gay Pride was peaceful. We had a problem in Split. We'll have another Gay Pride Parade in Split (along the same route this year). The Croats will protect it this time.

Trizo said

Is Brussels going to say to their new beloved member country 'Hrvatska' that they can't join after they see the uncontrolled violence at the next gay parade in Croatia?

My response: See above

Trizo said

What about Poland? Does Brussels consider revoking Poland's membership after watching a gay parade eventuate down the streets of Warsawa?

My response: Poland has held Gay Pride parades in all of its major cities for years. Last year there was a small issue in Lodz (wasn't banned or even threatened), but other than that no problems. If you'd like to see the Warsaw gay pride parade, you'll see that it was well attended, peaceful, and violence free. For the 6th straight year.

Trizo said I would tell my cousin to his face that I don't believe it's right for him or any other gay to make a big day and parade in Belgrade as it would offend the majority.

My response: So don't whine when Croatia bans you from protesting or Kosova bans you from protesting. Because Serbs are the minority in those areas. Your cousin probably knows you're an homophobic bigot.
(trizo, 4 October 2011 17:23)

trizo,

you have the right to express affection for your partner in public, you can hold hands, kiss and even get married in front of onlookers. So you say you think your cousin should have the same rights you do. My question, which you failed to answer is this; if your cousin were to hold hands with his boyfriend in public, he stands a good chance of being badly beaten, would you come to his defense or would you stand by and watch a member of your family be assaulted merely because you don't like who he is sleeping with? Would you give in to your prejudices or would you uphold the proud Serbian traditions of tolerance and loyalty to family?