EP rapporteur: Kosovo issue needs to be solved first

"KFOR and EULEX are there to introduce the rule of law"

Good. Then start following resolution 1244 and stop acting illegally as spearheads of Greater Albania.

Their are so many reason not to join the EU here are some of them and why our region politicians are willing to sell us out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue5qY8nyN9s . It is easier to stay out than get out
Mark Twain. I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.
Groucho Marx.

Can someone please put a cork in this EU mouthpiece. I am so tired of looking at his homely face and listening tpo his, Serbia must this, and Serbia must that crap - all in the interest of the the EU, not Serbia. The citizens, and many European countries, have realized that the EU is a self-serving elite club that wants to enslave and exploit, not help and accept countries as equals. BTW, why not mention Pristina's unilateral move of trying to impose their customs stooges at the admin. crossings? Try and be more unbiased, Kacin, Mr. Serbophobe, and maybe someone will actually care about what comes out of your smug, insulting lips.

LOL if Kacin wants to prove EULEX and KFOR are out to provide "law and order" to Serbs, how about a few things to show first:

1. Stop shooting at unarmed Serb civilians with live ammunition and calling it rubber bullets
2. When bullet casings are found, stop confiscating the evidence and then shutting down the entire investigation before it gets started
3. Put pressure on Rexhepi to find those Albanians that shot those two Serbs in Djakovica two days ago instead of letting the case go cold along with Gorazdevac
4. Put pressure on Rexhepi to find whoever stormed into a Pristina office yesterday and shot an official in his office in broad daylight!
5. Ensure the protection of witnesses called to testify against Limaj and Haradinaj!

What a farce this whole thing is!

OK Lenard...in your next elections, please vote for someone who is against joining the Union

One thing is for sure. Kosovo will stay independent and will never ba a part of Serbia. People can say what ever they want but deep inside every of us we all know the real deal and what will happend. Kosovo independence will not vanish from earth.

If Serbia means to be an member of EU we all know what it has to do. Recognize Kosovo and ensure good neighbourly relations with it's neighbouring countrys. That's it!!


And for those who belives that Serbia can make it without EU. I say to oyou Yes!! Bit only if the country is located outside Europe. Serbia will be forced to enter EU since it cannot stand on it's own when all other european countrys gets EU membership.

Don't count on Russia since Russia cannot feed it's own people. It's no real superpower as it belives to be. The Soviet has died long time ago.

Air has more substance than this guy. As Germany and the EU are being bankrupted, we will do fine remaining non-aligned if that is what you insist on.

KFOR will not introduce the rule of law because the rule of law has nothing to do with NATO or KFOR. That is going outside their mandate.

Only Belgrade can introduce and or change law in Northern Kosovo. That is why no progress is being made.

This Slovene is typically trying to show that he has some kind of power over Serbia because he works for the EU. Ridiculous.

(Balkan Anthropologist, 4 October 2011 15:47)

You forgot Enver Zymberi who got killed.

Perhaps the EU rapporteur is right: is there any sense in concluding history with EU accession if the Kosovo subject is not resolved? How can people join the EU if the borders are not defined?
Maybe it would be best to go for partition and join the EU. It hardly seems fair that the Serbs of Northern Kosovo should have to live in an Albanian state - or for that matter that the Albanians should live in Serbia.

(Demi, 4 October 2011 12:42)

You Albanians had better have a longer and harder look at what is going on in this world and just maybe you might want to stop writing rubbish like this.

Kosovo is an Economically UNSUSTAINABLE state, but if you know better tell us here and now how if it going to survive? What industry has the west brought to Kosovo to employ over 1 million people of working age? Last I look it was NOTHING.

The EU is fast disappearing up it own orifice as its trying to plug one economic hole after another. I have said it before the EU is now so enmeshed in these problems that no sooner one problem is settled for the moment another one appears so what is Serbia gaining from joining this bankrupt group?

What you Albanians seem to overlook at every turn is that the EU of 2011 is not the same EU of 1990. There is no benefit in joining the EU today except for the corrupt politicians such as the Tadic Government – they will get paid well, but the rest will end up in having subsided goods dumped in Serbia where Serbs farmers cannot compete despite the cheap labour. There is life without the EU.

I really find it so hard to believe that people still have this picture of both Russia and China being poor and living off western handouts. I really think you need to travel a little more. Both have very little debt and both have large foreign reserves. Naturally China has the largest in the world by far.

I just finished reading g that the US Senate wants to pass a law which will start a trade war with China because the Yuan has not been floated. I can tell you that it is the biggest load of CRAP ever told to ones own people. But here is the result is the US wishes to go down that path – China pulls out it $800 billion from US Treasury bonds and US comes down like a pile of fertilizer.

(Renko, 4 October 2011 21:57)


I agree with what you have said and personally think that partition is the best solution, but the problem is where do you think these Albanians are going to find work? Industry is not going to Kosovo nor is it going to Albania. Unfortunately these same EU clowns that want Serbia to recognise Kosovo will want Serbia to set aside a certain number of jobs aside to employ the Albanians. These are the same people that have suffered terrible under the Serbs but tomorrow would have no problems in working in Serbia with Serbs.

There already now Albanians sneaking out of Kosovo and looking for work in Serbia claiming they are from Bujanovac. It seems that they have not been traumatised by Serb terror.

Can we do a small survey: how many of the people claiming that Serbia would be better off without the EU, that Serbia should take a hardline position and side with Russia, China etc. are actually living in Serbia?

It is always easy to make such irresponsible claims if you are far far away and will not be affected by the consequences.

I have tried that Tinka and the Serbs normally go quiet when asked that. What is odd to me, is the Serb diaspora who contribute on these forums, live in countries that an be deemed the West. they do not reside in Russia or China. they all live in say the US, UK, Canada, New Zealand (all entities that have recognized Kosova independent) . So essentially, they enjoy the high standard of living that they can earn in the West (a standard of living that is still beyond most people in China), enjoy the freedoms of the West, but rejoice at its apparent decline. Odd.

@ alban,

I'm sure a lot of Serbs living abroad left because they were being shelled or no longer had a choice to stay in their homes, just like the Serbs from Kosovo have moved to be our neighbours throughout Serbia because it's not easy to live when you are surrounded by another ethnicity who hates you.

It seems to me that somebody (USA and/or EU members) wants to delay or stop Serbia's progress towards EU membership and so they directed Pristina to send people to the customs posts in northern Kosovo. This 'adverse new development' will provide an excuse for various EU countries to invidually decline to approve the Serbia accession talks (if the EU bureacracy decides in a week or two to go ahead with them). I expect this sort of thing to continue in the future, as it will be easy to find new ways of inflaming the Kosovo situation, and Pristina is very compliant towards the USA and others.

All this is a betrayal of the original promise, much publicised a few years ago, that entering the EU was not conditional on Serbia accepting Kosovo's independence. The current Western strategy is that Serbia is to be blocked from EU membership until it accepts Kosovo's independence in practice (for example: Kosovo representatives participating fully in regional meetings/discussions, Pristina having full control of all the borders of Kosovo, Pristina police and security forces operating throughout Kosovo, no separate, significant political structures/government in Mitrovica, etc.). This will be insisted upon 'in the interests of peace and stability for the region' and will be 'best for everyone', and, once that 'stability' is achieved, EU members will have a plausible justification to say that it is now acceptable for Serbia to become an EU member, though it had not been before (justifications like this are needed so they can be passed to the Western media and to the Western public and politicians, the vast majority of whom know nothing (or next-to-nothing) about the Balkans, though often they genuinely believe they are well-informed).

It may be that a future Serbian government will fully accept Pristina's rule over all of Kosovo de facto, and rely on the de jure justification that it does not recognise Kosovo under so-called International Law, but I guess this is unlikely to happen for 10 years or even many decades (or even ever). Partition is the obvious stable solution but it seems clear already that the West will not go for that until it has tried to get Kosovo to absorb Mitrovica, perhaps over many decades. The customs posts annexation is one of the early steps, it is a small incremental change which will be followed by many more over a long period.

Just as Serbians and other Balkan peoples can wait, for hundreds of years if necessary, so can the bureacrats/diplomats of the Western countries - this sort of realpolitik makes their jobs more secure (and fun and interesting) so they will always be keen for diplomatic/political issues to continue at a 'manageable' level.

I conclude that Serbia will not join the EU for the foreseeable future (of course Serbian people do not necessarily want this anyway), and that Mitrovica will gradually slip into direct rule from Pristina over a period of many years, unless some new, unforeseen twists in the tale appear.

One thing is for sure. Kosovo will stay independent and will never ba a part of Serbia. People can say what ever they want but deep inside every of us we all know the real deal and what will happend. Kosovo independence will not vanish from earth.

If Serbia means to be an member of EU we all know what it has to do. Recognize Kosovo and ensure good neighbourly relations with it's neighbouring countrys. That's it!!


And for those who belives that Serbia can make it without EU. I say to oyou Yes!! Bit only if the country is located outside Europe. Serbia will be forced to enter EU since it cannot stand on it's own when all other european countrys gets EU membership.

Don't count on Russia since Russia cannot feed it's own people. It's no real superpower as it belives to be. The Soviet has died long time ago.

Can someone please put a cork in this EU mouthpiece. I am so tired of looking at his homely face and listening tpo his, Serbia must this, and Serbia must that crap - all in the interest of the the EU, not Serbia. The citizens, and many European countries, have realized that the EU is a self-serving elite club that wants to enslave and exploit, not help and accept countries as equals. BTW, why not mention Pristina's unilateral move of trying to impose their customs stooges at the admin. crossings? Try and be more unbiased, Kacin, Mr. Serbophobe, and maybe someone will actually care about what comes out of your smug, insulting lips.

"KFOR and EULEX are there to introduce the rule of law"

Good. Then start following resolution 1244 and stop acting illegally as spearheads of Greater Albania.

LOL if Kacin wants to prove EULEX and KFOR are out to provide "law and order" to Serbs, how about a few things to show first:

1. Stop shooting at unarmed Serb civilians with live ammunition and calling it rubber bullets
2. When bullet casings are found, stop confiscating the evidence and then shutting down the entire investigation before it gets started
3. Put pressure on Rexhepi to find those Albanians that shot those two Serbs in Djakovica two days ago instead of letting the case go cold along with Gorazdevac
4. Put pressure on Rexhepi to find whoever stormed into a Pristina office yesterday and shot an official in his office in broad daylight!
5. Ensure the protection of witnesses called to testify against Limaj and Haradinaj!

What a farce this whole thing is!

Air has more substance than this guy. As Germany and the EU are being bankrupted, we will do fine remaining non-aligned if that is what you insist on.

Their are so many reason not to join the EU here are some of them and why our region politicians are willing to sell us out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue5qY8nyN9s . It is easier to stay out than get out
Mark Twain. I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.
Groucho Marx.

KFOR will not introduce the rule of law because the rule of law has nothing to do with NATO or KFOR. That is going outside their mandate.

Only Belgrade can introduce and or change law in Northern Kosovo. That is why no progress is being made.

This Slovene is typically trying to show that he has some kind of power over Serbia because he works for the EU. Ridiculous.

Perhaps the EU rapporteur is right: is there any sense in concluding history with EU accession if the Kosovo subject is not resolved? How can people join the EU if the borders are not defined?
Maybe it would be best to go for partition and join the EU. It hardly seems fair that the Serbs of Northern Kosovo should have to live in an Albanian state - or for that matter that the Albanians should live in Serbia.

(Demi, 4 October 2011 12:42)

You Albanians had better have a longer and harder look at what is going on in this world and just maybe you might want to stop writing rubbish like this.

Kosovo is an Economically UNSUSTAINABLE state, but if you know better tell us here and now how if it going to survive? What industry has the west brought to Kosovo to employ over 1 million people of working age? Last I look it was NOTHING.

The EU is fast disappearing up it own orifice as its trying to plug one economic hole after another. I have said it before the EU is now so enmeshed in these problems that no sooner one problem is settled for the moment another one appears so what is Serbia gaining from joining this bankrupt group?

What you Albanians seem to overlook at every turn is that the EU of 2011 is not the same EU of 1990. There is no benefit in joining the EU today except for the corrupt politicians such as the Tadic Government – they will get paid well, but the rest will end up in having subsided goods dumped in Serbia where Serbs farmers cannot compete despite the cheap labour. There is life without the EU.

I really find it so hard to believe that people still have this picture of both Russia and China being poor and living off western handouts. I really think you need to travel a little more. Both have very little debt and both have large foreign reserves. Naturally China has the largest in the world by far.

I just finished reading g that the US Senate wants to pass a law which will start a trade war with China because the Yuan has not been floated. I can tell you that it is the biggest load of CRAP ever told to ones own people. But here is the result is the US wishes to go down that path – China pulls out it $800 billion from US Treasury bonds and US comes down like a pile of fertilizer.

(Renko, 4 October 2011 21:57)


I agree with what you have said and personally think that partition is the best solution, but the problem is where do you think these Albanians are going to find work? Industry is not going to Kosovo nor is it going to Albania. Unfortunately these same EU clowns that want Serbia to recognise Kosovo will want Serbia to set aside a certain number of jobs aside to employ the Albanians. These are the same people that have suffered terrible under the Serbs but tomorrow would have no problems in working in Serbia with Serbs.

There already now Albanians sneaking out of Kosovo and looking for work in Serbia claiming they are from Bujanovac. It seems that they have not been traumatised by Serb terror.

OK Lenard...in your next elections, please vote for someone who is against joining the Union

(Balkan Anthropologist, 4 October 2011 15:47)

You forgot Enver Zymberi who got killed.

Can we do a small survey: how many of the people claiming that Serbia would be better off without the EU, that Serbia should take a hardline position and side with Russia, China etc. are actually living in Serbia?

It is always easy to make such irresponsible claims if you are far far away and will not be affected by the consequences.

I have tried that Tinka and the Serbs normally go quiet when asked that. What is odd to me, is the Serb diaspora who contribute on these forums, live in countries that an be deemed the West. they do not reside in Russia or China. they all live in say the US, UK, Canada, New Zealand (all entities that have recognized Kosova independent) . So essentially, they enjoy the high standard of living that they can earn in the West (a standard of living that is still beyond most people in China), enjoy the freedoms of the West, but rejoice at its apparent decline. Odd.

@ alban,

I'm sure a lot of Serbs living abroad left because they were being shelled or no longer had a choice to stay in their homes, just like the Serbs from Kosovo have moved to be our neighbours throughout Serbia because it's not easy to live when you are surrounded by another ethnicity who hates you.

It seems to me that somebody (USA and/or EU members) wants to delay or stop Serbia's progress towards EU membership and so they directed Pristina to send people to the customs posts in northern Kosovo. This 'adverse new development' will provide an excuse for various EU countries to invidually decline to approve the Serbia accession talks (if the EU bureacracy decides in a week or two to go ahead with them). I expect this sort of thing to continue in the future, as it will be easy to find new ways of inflaming the Kosovo situation, and Pristina is very compliant towards the USA and others.

All this is a betrayal of the original promise, much publicised a few years ago, that entering the EU was not conditional on Serbia accepting Kosovo's independence. The current Western strategy is that Serbia is to be blocked from EU membership until it accepts Kosovo's independence in practice (for example: Kosovo representatives participating fully in regional meetings/discussions, Pristina having full control of all the borders of Kosovo, Pristina police and security forces operating throughout Kosovo, no separate, significant political structures/government in Mitrovica, etc.). This will be insisted upon 'in the interests of peace and stability for the region' and will be 'best for everyone', and, once that 'stability' is achieved, EU members will have a plausible justification to say that it is now acceptable for Serbia to become an EU member, though it had not been before (justifications like this are needed so they can be passed to the Western media and to the Western public and politicians, the vast majority of whom know nothing (or next-to-nothing) about the Balkans, though often they genuinely believe they are well-informed).

It may be that a future Serbian government will fully accept Pristina's rule over all of Kosovo de facto, and rely on the de jure justification that it does not recognise Kosovo under so-called International Law, but I guess this is unlikely to happen for 10 years or even many decades (or even ever). Partition is the obvious stable solution but it seems clear already that the West will not go for that until it has tried to get Kosovo to absorb Mitrovica, perhaps over many decades. The customs posts annexation is one of the early steps, it is a small incremental change which will be followed by many more over a long period.

Just as Serbians and other Balkan peoples can wait, for hundreds of years if necessary, so can the bureacrats/diplomats of the Western countries - this sort of realpolitik makes their jobs more secure (and fun and interesting) so they will always be keen for diplomatic/political issues to continue at a 'manageable' level.

I conclude that Serbia will not join the EU for the foreseeable future (of course Serbian people do not necessarily want this anyway), and that Mitrovica will gradually slip into direct rule from Pristina over a period of many years, unless some new, unforeseen twists in the tale appear.