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Monday, 03.10.2011.

10:29

Northern Kosovo Serbs spend night at barricades

The night in northern Kosovo went by peacefully and the citizens continued keeping guard at the barricades on roads towards the Jarinje and Brnjak checkpoints.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The other stuff you talk about is rubbish.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Thanks anyway for dealing with the rubbish :) Appreciated !



A country that cannot control internal access
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Absolutely correct. That’s why the Serb citizens of Kosovo are voluntarily making sure to control that just in case something escapes the KFOR controls.



and is unable to pass from one point to another freely is not a country.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Haven’t heard N. Kosovo Serbs to complain about that…



And KFOR/US/NATO would have used even deadly force if they could. Once against it’s a stalemate which is not in the US interests.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Use force against whom ? Is there anybody in Kosovo who does not support 1244 ?!



People do not demonstrate on masses such as have done in the US over the weekend if things were happy and everyone was rich, but maybe it was a dream and these demonstration did not happen even though very lititle media attention was given to them, democratic style of course.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Of course people can demonstrate in the US (not like in Serbia where they can’t). Of course not everybody is rich in the US, but still the average personal income is 6x more than the average citizen in the Chinese paradise. That’s why 13M people (probably more than ever) wanted to immigrate to the US with the latest green card lottery. In any case, it is totally possible that those 13M people are stupid and you know better than them.



Your current US debt is 15 trillion plus –
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

I don’t have any debt ! There is no bank in the world which would lend me 15 trillion. Only somebody like the US is creditworthy enough to get 15 trillion.



happy days are here again eh?
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

“Here” where ?



But as you are not concerned with US debt here is your chance to tell me just how much the west has invested in Kosovo since 1999 and what industries have they brought to employ some of the 1 million looking for work. I am sincerely looking forward to your reply.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

I don’t know. Why I’d care about that ?! But let’s say, 0 industries… what’s your point ?

sj

pre 12 godina

(icj1, 4 October 2011 05:57)

The other stuff you talk about is rubbish. A country that cannot control internal access and is unable to pass from one point to another freely is not a country. And KFOR/US/NATO would have used even deadly force if they could. Once against it’s a stalemate which is not in the US interests.
People do not demonstrate on masses such as have done in the US over the weekend if things were happy and everyone was rich, but maybe it was a dream and these demonstration did not happen even though very lititle media attention was given to them, democratic style of course.
Your current US debt is 15 trillion plus – happy days are here again eh? But as you are not concerned with US debt here is your chance to tell me just how much the west has invested in Kosovo since 1999 and what industries have they brought to employ some of the 1 million looking for work. I am sincerely looking forward to your reply.

icj1

pre 12 godina

That’s what you think mate. Look at old Boris Tadic… and if you ask why it’s because this has gone completely out of his hands and it’s the” tail wagging the dog” now and he can’t do a thing about it.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

That’s great. Hopefully he loses the next election and some brilliant guy like Vuk or Vojislav wins and Kosovo does not have to deal with complications like Serbia in the EU.



There is another interested party to this little conflict that is coming out and they will not let the Serbs be taken over as it’s not in their interests. Reading your comment tells me you wonder why nothing is being done to stop the Serbs; if you look at it closer here are a bunch of Serbs who are completely making a mess of a so called independent Kosovo because the internal government can’t even control their borders with the help of outside forces.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

Borders are in control with the significant help of the K. Serbs which let nothing pass even when KFOR let’s them. Kosovo would be even better if its Albanians citizens demonstrated the same zeal to help Kosovo as their fellow K. Serb citizens.



You demand that Kosovo’s police take over – oh no little man that is not going to happen and you also wonder why the US and German forces don’t take stronger action? Believe me they would if they could,
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

Of course we believe you that they don’t need to take stronger action. Against whom they should take it ? Everybody in Kosovo strongly supports KFOR and 1244. Is there anybody in Kosovo who does not support 1244 and KFOR has to take action against ?



I would not hold my breath on the EU announcing Serbia’s candidature for the EU as that would not fool even my 2 years old granddaughter.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

That’s great for Kosovo so it does not have to deal with complications like Serbia in the EU. Whether it’s good for Serbia or not, I think that leaves the Albanians in Kosovo indifferent.



Then there is the last but not least and in fact the best part – the EU is financial peril with Greece even announcing a few moments ago that it will not be able to meet its repayment targets this year or the next so more money has to be poured into Greece just to ,make those payments. Meanwhile there are demonstrations against the greed of Wall Street.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

I’m sorry one of Serbia strong allies in such dire conditions.



Watch the EU now deal with crises after financial crises.
I have told my fellow Serbs to have patience and all will come to them as the west crashes around them and that will not take very long.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

Yeah, I have heard that from you sj, for years, and I’m patiently waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting…. even though at the end I’m not sure what my benefit would be out of that ! But who cares, the important thing is that you are happy, or, at least, will be happy at some point in the future, hopefully in this life :)

sj

pre 12 godina

(miri, 3 October 2011 15:46)

You think that the earth revolves around you and all this in Kosovo is because your special and the west is so concerned about you people’s welfare. It does not and you had better leave your computer and get some fresh air and a newspaper and see what is actually going on in Europe and the US. Both are several steps away from saying bye bye to this planet. Why do you think you had those huge demonstrations in the US? What? Were they bored sitting at home so its time for some fresh air? I think you need to talk to real people.

I strongly suggest that you stop watching too much TV as 7 th heaven has a copy right over that name. Unfortunately it’s a totally crappy show.


Pss

The problem with you is I have to write a university paper to explain my statements at every quarter. The reason the west will not use force is simple and it has nothing to do with it being restrained. The west’s commitments to so called human rights are utter rubbish mate – go and ask the Afghans or even better the innocent people arrested and transported to Gittmo Bay and tortured to confess to activities they never committed nor were they part of. Its main fear is that a third party has joined the dance and that party has a huge interest in keeping Kosovo unstable.

EULEX, NATO KFOR, they can all take control of the north, south or west or east but what have they taken control over? Nothing but a post where no one is passing through and all this means is that Pristina even with the help of the might of the western world does not control its so called borders – that is what it means.

Please stop writing about the Russians in the context of the 1990s. This is 2011 going onto 2012. In the 1990s the US was the only superpower today it’s a leftover that is incapable of acting unilaterally; it’s a former superpower that needs a crutch to try and hold onto whatever. Its about to open a small base in Darwin Australia because it’s been kicked out of the South China Sea by China.

Russia in the 1990s was a broken down country, but in 2011 it not only on its feet but is in the process of controlling Europe.

One way or another Russians have already secured their borders and they don’t need Serbia. But they don’t want American dimwits trying to control their energy and this part is more to do with pride and they will keep the pot boiling a little longer and Boris Tadic nor his government can do a thing about it. The Tadic Government has been massaging the people of Serbia and telling them that the only way is secure Serbs in Kosovo is through human rights crap. Had the stupid Americans treated the Russians as equals in the 1990s they would have had a friend in the Russian people today, but the US could not help but gloat over the defeat over communism. For your information the US nearly went bankrupt defeating the Soviet Union.

I really am tired of reading the same old BS about Albanians wanting to live free, but how are they going to survive? How much has the west invested in Kosovo? Where is the industry that will employ the 1 million Albanians?

Whether you believe me or not I really don’t care but I can tell you this much in that the west has not disclosed all regarding their perilous financial state. Europe is a multi layer financial basket case; when one thing is resolved then something else will fall apart- just keep your eyes open. In the US, the point of no return has already been reached and the downhill slide is gathering speed. Why the huge demos over the weekend? Some people realise what is happening; there were placards asking for reforms to the media because all of this is kept under cover and never see the light of day while poverty increases.

This demonstration going on now is not a front to resolving this issue as Tadic was hoping to have the whole matter taken over by the forces of niceness and goodness and fate acompli. You can see it in his face that it was a complete failure. Now the EU is throwing more carrots in the form of Serbia a candidate for EU. Who do you think they are going to fool?

Steve B.

pre 12 godina

Serbs in Kosovo are fighting an already lost battle.
(Demi, 3 October 2011 11:11)

The fact that Albanians have to keep repeating this shows me that you know it IS NOT true and you need to constantly repeat it to help convince yourself.

Serbs will never lose Kosovo. We will defeat you. It will be a struggle as always with the world's powers against us, but this little country has a bigger heart than all those powers combined.

rote

pre 12 godina

To Pss personally

“ I think you overestimate Russia's interest. They were embarassed by the actions in 1999 when they comandeered the airport and they were unable to hold it. This has become an opportunity for them to use rhetoric to oppose the west and show their power to "block" items in the UNSC “

*** You will be surprised to know that the state TV in Russia is giving reports from KM every day. Those are very pro-Serbian reports. So do other mass media. 12 years have passed from the events you are building your logics on. Russia was headed by Otpor kinda traitors and it was a partly disintegrated society with no army , big debts and no reserve funds , with USD 12 per barrel with strong and united West opposing us worldwide … No we oppose them wherever we want to … Do dfon’t be a prisoner of your own imagination and mention it is century № 21 that we are living in.

“ Is Russia going to turn Serbia, Kosovo into a war zone, if you do know anything about finance, you do know that is a gigantic NO. Such an action would turn their plans for the south stream into a delay by decades and if other sources are found in that time they will have missed their opportunity. “

*** Here I agree your NO ! But Russia is a global power with global interests and such a primitive one side logics does not explain everything. South Stream as well as the Nord one ( to start pumping in 35 days ) have the main goal to put the Ukraine in its place and thus reunite in some way all three parts of the Russian people. As you must know Belorussia is already on it’s way homeward. To withstand Islamic fundamentalism of the Central Asia Kazakhstan will join us almost automatically.

“I think you are seeing a frustration from Russia in that they do not see the huge commitment from Serbs on the Kosovo issue.”

*** Yes most Russians are disappointed and diverted from Serbia. Nobody here expected the Serbs to elect this Otpor guys again. But I am optimistic that some day Serbs will elect a Serbian President and a Serbian Parliament and a Serbian Government. Only then one can judge if Russia cares about Serbia or not.

Искренне не Ваш !

wtf

pre 12 godina

"they were unable to hold it"

Wrong, they weren´t.

In fact they could have secured the whole area had they wanted, General Leonid Ivashov admitted as much, but where ordered by the the oligarch´s man in the Kremlin, Yeltzin, to leave. That was at a time in history when Russia was temporarily weak. That was -99 and much have happened since then mate, sorry to wake you up...

pss

pre 12 godina

(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)
You condemn the US for its so called agression in Irag and Afg, but then you accuse them of cowardice when exercising restraint in Kosovo?
I think you overestimate Russia's interest. They were embarassed by the actions in 1999 when they comandeered the airport and they were unable to hold it. This has become an opportunity for them to use rhetoric to oppose the west and show their power to "block" items in the UNSC. It is a thorn in the west's side but it has not really stopped anything, has it??
They did not block Eulex, they have not stopped countries from interacting with Kosovo as independent. They have not stopped NATO from assuming control over the northern border.

I think the northern issue is merely a front to help resolve a stalemate, it has been an orchestrated issue.
Serbia has hinted that some type of partition of North might resolve the Kosovo issue but could not initiate it for fear of their people. It had been suggested many times in the past but the west says that it is a not a possibility. So the solution is a crisis in the north. Eventually people are going to have to talk about a solution and its solution will more than likely be the solution to the bigger issue of Kosovo.
This could be a face saving solution for the west, Russia, Kosovo, and Serbia.
So is Kfor going to escalate the conflict--NO, is it out of fear, probably because they do not want a huge military conflict, and that is a potential. Is Russia going to turn Serbia, Kosovo into a war zone, if you do know anything about finance, you do know that is a gigantic NO. Such an action would turn their plans for the south stream into a delay by decades and if other sources are found in that time they will have missed their opportunity.
So encourage your comrades to sit and wait if you want because the battle is no longer over Kosovo but the northern part and that is a huge step from 2 years ago.
I think you are seeing a frustration from Russia in that they do not see the huge commitment from Serbs on the Kosovo issue. They will claim they want to keep Kosovo but human nature is that people want a good life free from conflict. Serbia has realized that Kosovo is lost forever, their only hope is to keep it in limbo so the Albanians cannot rub the victory in their faces.
As your leaders have said time and time again there cannot be a peaceful solution when one side wins everything and the other nothing. Here comes the compromise.
Should the west, Kfor, Eulex, or whoever move in and bring the north totally under control by force and be successful, we would be back to square one where the battle was over all of Kosovo again and there would no longer be the option of a solution where Serbs or the Albanians would not lose it all.

sj

pre 12 godina

(Demi, 3 October 2011 11:11)

That’s what you think mate. Look at old Boris Tadic… and if you ask why it’s because this has gone completely out of his hands and it’s the” tail wagging the dog” now and he can’t do a thing about it.
There is another interested party to this little conflict that is coming out and they will not let the Serbs be taken over as it’s not in their interests. Reading your comment tells me you wonder why nothing is being done to stop the Serbs; if you look at it closer here are a bunch of Serbs who are completely making a mess of a so called independent Kosovo because the internal government can’t even control their borders with the help of outside forces. You demand that Kosovo’s police take over – oh no little man that is not going to happen and you also wonder why the US and German forces don’t take stronger action? Believe me they would if they could, but they can’t because there is that third party who is stirring it all up and Tadic is looking worse by the day.
I would not hold my breath on the EU announcing Serbia’s candidature for the EU as that would not fool even my 2 years old granddaughter.
Then there is the last but not least and in fact the best part – the EU is financial peril with Greece even announcing a few moments ago that it will not be able to meet its repayment targets this year or the next so more money has to be poured into Greece just to ,make those payments. Meanwhile there are demonstrations against the greed of Wall Street.
Watch the EU now deal with crises after financial crises.
I have told my fellow Serbs to have patience and all will come to them as the west crashes around them and that will not take very long.

BT

pre 12 godina

Belgrad want another republika srpska wich is North mitrovica. And it will never happend.
Speaking of Serbs who dump soil on the road. Why doesn't Belgrade urge serbs to stop provoking the Albanians on the other side of the bridge? Do you know why? It's beacause Belgrade wants the Albanians to become angry and all hell breaks loose.And this way  Belgrade could show the world another reason that Mitrovica need to be divided.

Demi

pre 12 godina

The serbs are only blocking their local roads for their own local population. They only cause problems for them self :)

The Kosovo goverment should do somthing to protect and ensure freedom of movment for the albanians living in northern Kosovo. That's it.

Let K.serbs block them self and the EU bid of Serbia.

Next year when Tadic and DS wins the election Serbia will be conditioned with recognizing Kosovo for EU membership. Serbs in Kosovo are fighting an already lost battle.
Cheers boys and girls!

sj

pre 12 godina

(Demi, 3 October 2011 11:11)

That’s what you think mate. Look at old Boris Tadic… and if you ask why it’s because this has gone completely out of his hands and it’s the” tail wagging the dog” now and he can’t do a thing about it.
There is another interested party to this little conflict that is coming out and they will not let the Serbs be taken over as it’s not in their interests. Reading your comment tells me you wonder why nothing is being done to stop the Serbs; if you look at it closer here are a bunch of Serbs who are completely making a mess of a so called independent Kosovo because the internal government can’t even control their borders with the help of outside forces. You demand that Kosovo’s police take over – oh no little man that is not going to happen and you also wonder why the US and German forces don’t take stronger action? Believe me they would if they could, but they can’t because there is that third party who is stirring it all up and Tadic is looking worse by the day.
I would not hold my breath on the EU announcing Serbia’s candidature for the EU as that would not fool even my 2 years old granddaughter.
Then there is the last but not least and in fact the best part – the EU is financial peril with Greece even announcing a few moments ago that it will not be able to meet its repayment targets this year or the next so more money has to be poured into Greece just to ,make those payments. Meanwhile there are demonstrations against the greed of Wall Street.
Watch the EU now deal with crises after financial crises.
I have told my fellow Serbs to have patience and all will come to them as the west crashes around them and that will not take very long.

Demi

pre 12 godina

The serbs are only blocking their local roads for their own local population. They only cause problems for them self :)

The Kosovo goverment should do somthing to protect and ensure freedom of movment for the albanians living in northern Kosovo. That's it.

Let K.serbs block them self and the EU bid of Serbia.

Next year when Tadic and DS wins the election Serbia will be conditioned with recognizing Kosovo for EU membership. Serbs in Kosovo are fighting an already lost battle.
Cheers boys and girls!

BT

pre 12 godina

Belgrad want another republika srpska wich is North mitrovica. And it will never happend.
Speaking of Serbs who dump soil on the road. Why doesn't Belgrade urge serbs to stop provoking the Albanians on the other side of the bridge? Do you know why? It's beacause Belgrade wants the Albanians to become angry and all hell breaks loose.And this way  Belgrade could show the world another reason that Mitrovica need to be divided.

Steve B.

pre 12 godina

Serbs in Kosovo are fighting an already lost battle.
(Demi, 3 October 2011 11:11)

The fact that Albanians have to keep repeating this shows me that you know it IS NOT true and you need to constantly repeat it to help convince yourself.

Serbs will never lose Kosovo. We will defeat you. It will be a struggle as always with the world's powers against us, but this little country has a bigger heart than all those powers combined.

pss

pre 12 godina

(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)
You condemn the US for its so called agression in Irag and Afg, but then you accuse them of cowardice when exercising restraint in Kosovo?
I think you overestimate Russia's interest. They were embarassed by the actions in 1999 when they comandeered the airport and they were unable to hold it. This has become an opportunity for them to use rhetoric to oppose the west and show their power to "block" items in the UNSC. It is a thorn in the west's side but it has not really stopped anything, has it??
They did not block Eulex, they have not stopped countries from interacting with Kosovo as independent. They have not stopped NATO from assuming control over the northern border.

I think the northern issue is merely a front to help resolve a stalemate, it has been an orchestrated issue.
Serbia has hinted that some type of partition of North might resolve the Kosovo issue but could not initiate it for fear of their people. It had been suggested many times in the past but the west says that it is a not a possibility. So the solution is a crisis in the north. Eventually people are going to have to talk about a solution and its solution will more than likely be the solution to the bigger issue of Kosovo.
This could be a face saving solution for the west, Russia, Kosovo, and Serbia.
So is Kfor going to escalate the conflict--NO, is it out of fear, probably because they do not want a huge military conflict, and that is a potential. Is Russia going to turn Serbia, Kosovo into a war zone, if you do know anything about finance, you do know that is a gigantic NO. Such an action would turn their plans for the south stream into a delay by decades and if other sources are found in that time they will have missed their opportunity.
So encourage your comrades to sit and wait if you want because the battle is no longer over Kosovo but the northern part and that is a huge step from 2 years ago.
I think you are seeing a frustration from Russia in that they do not see the huge commitment from Serbs on the Kosovo issue. They will claim they want to keep Kosovo but human nature is that people want a good life free from conflict. Serbia has realized that Kosovo is lost forever, their only hope is to keep it in limbo so the Albanians cannot rub the victory in their faces.
As your leaders have said time and time again there cannot be a peaceful solution when one side wins everything and the other nothing. Here comes the compromise.
Should the west, Kfor, Eulex, or whoever move in and bring the north totally under control by force and be successful, we would be back to square one where the battle was over all of Kosovo again and there would no longer be the option of a solution where Serbs or the Albanians would not lose it all.

rote

pre 12 godina

To Pss personally

“ I think you overestimate Russia's interest. They were embarassed by the actions in 1999 when they comandeered the airport and they were unable to hold it. This has become an opportunity for them to use rhetoric to oppose the west and show their power to "block" items in the UNSC “

*** You will be surprised to know that the state TV in Russia is giving reports from KM every day. Those are very pro-Serbian reports. So do other mass media. 12 years have passed from the events you are building your logics on. Russia was headed by Otpor kinda traitors and it was a partly disintegrated society with no army , big debts and no reserve funds , with USD 12 per barrel with strong and united West opposing us worldwide … No we oppose them wherever we want to … Do dfon’t be a prisoner of your own imagination and mention it is century № 21 that we are living in.

“ Is Russia going to turn Serbia, Kosovo into a war zone, if you do know anything about finance, you do know that is a gigantic NO. Such an action would turn their plans for the south stream into a delay by decades and if other sources are found in that time they will have missed their opportunity. “

*** Here I agree your NO ! But Russia is a global power with global interests and such a primitive one side logics does not explain everything. South Stream as well as the Nord one ( to start pumping in 35 days ) have the main goal to put the Ukraine in its place and thus reunite in some way all three parts of the Russian people. As you must know Belorussia is already on it’s way homeward. To withstand Islamic fundamentalism of the Central Asia Kazakhstan will join us almost automatically.

“I think you are seeing a frustration from Russia in that they do not see the huge commitment from Serbs on the Kosovo issue.”

*** Yes most Russians are disappointed and diverted from Serbia. Nobody here expected the Serbs to elect this Otpor guys again. But I am optimistic that some day Serbs will elect a Serbian President and a Serbian Parliament and a Serbian Government. Only then one can judge if Russia cares about Serbia or not.

Искренне не Ваш !

wtf

pre 12 godina

"they were unable to hold it"

Wrong, they weren´t.

In fact they could have secured the whole area had they wanted, General Leonid Ivashov admitted as much, but where ordered by the the oligarch´s man in the Kremlin, Yeltzin, to leave. That was at a time in history when Russia was temporarily weak. That was -99 and much have happened since then mate, sorry to wake you up...

sj

pre 12 godina

(miri, 3 October 2011 15:46)

You think that the earth revolves around you and all this in Kosovo is because your special and the west is so concerned about you people’s welfare. It does not and you had better leave your computer and get some fresh air and a newspaper and see what is actually going on in Europe and the US. Both are several steps away from saying bye bye to this planet. Why do you think you had those huge demonstrations in the US? What? Were they bored sitting at home so its time for some fresh air? I think you need to talk to real people.

I strongly suggest that you stop watching too much TV as 7 th heaven has a copy right over that name. Unfortunately it’s a totally crappy show.


Pss

The problem with you is I have to write a university paper to explain my statements at every quarter. The reason the west will not use force is simple and it has nothing to do with it being restrained. The west’s commitments to so called human rights are utter rubbish mate – go and ask the Afghans or even better the innocent people arrested and transported to Gittmo Bay and tortured to confess to activities they never committed nor were they part of. Its main fear is that a third party has joined the dance and that party has a huge interest in keeping Kosovo unstable.

EULEX, NATO KFOR, they can all take control of the north, south or west or east but what have they taken control over? Nothing but a post where no one is passing through and all this means is that Pristina even with the help of the might of the western world does not control its so called borders – that is what it means.

Please stop writing about the Russians in the context of the 1990s. This is 2011 going onto 2012. In the 1990s the US was the only superpower today it’s a leftover that is incapable of acting unilaterally; it’s a former superpower that needs a crutch to try and hold onto whatever. Its about to open a small base in Darwin Australia because it’s been kicked out of the South China Sea by China.

Russia in the 1990s was a broken down country, but in 2011 it not only on its feet but is in the process of controlling Europe.

One way or another Russians have already secured their borders and they don’t need Serbia. But they don’t want American dimwits trying to control their energy and this part is more to do with pride and they will keep the pot boiling a little longer and Boris Tadic nor his government can do a thing about it. The Tadic Government has been massaging the people of Serbia and telling them that the only way is secure Serbs in Kosovo is through human rights crap. Had the stupid Americans treated the Russians as equals in the 1990s they would have had a friend in the Russian people today, but the US could not help but gloat over the defeat over communism. For your information the US nearly went bankrupt defeating the Soviet Union.

I really am tired of reading the same old BS about Albanians wanting to live free, but how are they going to survive? How much has the west invested in Kosovo? Where is the industry that will employ the 1 million Albanians?

Whether you believe me or not I really don’t care but I can tell you this much in that the west has not disclosed all regarding their perilous financial state. Europe is a multi layer financial basket case; when one thing is resolved then something else will fall apart- just keep your eyes open. In the US, the point of no return has already been reached and the downhill slide is gathering speed. Why the huge demos over the weekend? Some people realise what is happening; there were placards asking for reforms to the media because all of this is kept under cover and never see the light of day while poverty increases.

This demonstration going on now is not a front to resolving this issue as Tadic was hoping to have the whole matter taken over by the forces of niceness and goodness and fate acompli. You can see it in his face that it was a complete failure. Now the EU is throwing more carrots in the form of Serbia a candidate for EU. Who do you think they are going to fool?

icj1

pre 12 godina

That’s what you think mate. Look at old Boris Tadic… and if you ask why it’s because this has gone completely out of his hands and it’s the” tail wagging the dog” now and he can’t do a thing about it.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

That’s great. Hopefully he loses the next election and some brilliant guy like Vuk or Vojislav wins and Kosovo does not have to deal with complications like Serbia in the EU.



There is another interested party to this little conflict that is coming out and they will not let the Serbs be taken over as it’s not in their interests. Reading your comment tells me you wonder why nothing is being done to stop the Serbs; if you look at it closer here are a bunch of Serbs who are completely making a mess of a so called independent Kosovo because the internal government can’t even control their borders with the help of outside forces.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

Borders are in control with the significant help of the K. Serbs which let nothing pass even when KFOR let’s them. Kosovo would be even better if its Albanians citizens demonstrated the same zeal to help Kosovo as their fellow K. Serb citizens.



You demand that Kosovo’s police take over – oh no little man that is not going to happen and you also wonder why the US and German forces don’t take stronger action? Believe me they would if they could,
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

Of course we believe you that they don’t need to take stronger action. Against whom they should take it ? Everybody in Kosovo strongly supports KFOR and 1244. Is there anybody in Kosovo who does not support 1244 and KFOR has to take action against ?



I would not hold my breath on the EU announcing Serbia’s candidature for the EU as that would not fool even my 2 years old granddaughter.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

That’s great for Kosovo so it does not have to deal with complications like Serbia in the EU. Whether it’s good for Serbia or not, I think that leaves the Albanians in Kosovo indifferent.



Then there is the last but not least and in fact the best part – the EU is financial peril with Greece even announcing a few moments ago that it will not be able to meet its repayment targets this year or the next so more money has to be poured into Greece just to ,make those payments. Meanwhile there are demonstrations against the greed of Wall Street.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

I’m sorry one of Serbia strong allies in such dire conditions.



Watch the EU now deal with crises after financial crises.
I have told my fellow Serbs to have patience and all will come to them as the west crashes around them and that will not take very long.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

Yeah, I have heard that from you sj, for years, and I’m patiently waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting…. even though at the end I’m not sure what my benefit would be out of that ! But who cares, the important thing is that you are happy, or, at least, will be happy at some point in the future, hopefully in this life :)

sj

pre 12 godina

(icj1, 4 October 2011 05:57)

The other stuff you talk about is rubbish. A country that cannot control internal access and is unable to pass from one point to another freely is not a country. And KFOR/US/NATO would have used even deadly force if they could. Once against it’s a stalemate which is not in the US interests.
People do not demonstrate on masses such as have done in the US over the weekend if things were happy and everyone was rich, but maybe it was a dream and these demonstration did not happen even though very lititle media attention was given to them, democratic style of course.
Your current US debt is 15 trillion plus – happy days are here again eh? But as you are not concerned with US debt here is your chance to tell me just how much the west has invested in Kosovo since 1999 and what industries have they brought to employ some of the 1 million looking for work. I am sincerely looking forward to your reply.

icj1

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The other stuff you talk about is rubbish.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Thanks anyway for dealing with the rubbish :) Appreciated !



A country that cannot control internal access
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Absolutely correct. That’s why the Serb citizens of Kosovo are voluntarily making sure to control that just in case something escapes the KFOR controls.



and is unable to pass from one point to another freely is not a country.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Haven’t heard N. Kosovo Serbs to complain about that…



And KFOR/US/NATO would have used even deadly force if they could. Once against it’s a stalemate which is not in the US interests.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Use force against whom ? Is there anybody in Kosovo who does not support 1244 ?!



People do not demonstrate on masses such as have done in the US over the weekend if things were happy and everyone was rich, but maybe it was a dream and these demonstration did not happen even though very lititle media attention was given to them, democratic style of course.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Of course people can demonstrate in the US (not like in Serbia where they can’t). Of course not everybody is rich in the US, but still the average personal income is 6x more than the average citizen in the Chinese paradise. That’s why 13M people (probably more than ever) wanted to immigrate to the US with the latest green card lottery. In any case, it is totally possible that those 13M people are stupid and you know better than them.



Your current US debt is 15 trillion plus –
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

I don’t have any debt ! There is no bank in the world which would lend me 15 trillion. Only somebody like the US is creditworthy enough to get 15 trillion.



happy days are here again eh?
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

“Here” where ?



But as you are not concerned with US debt here is your chance to tell me just how much the west has invested in Kosovo since 1999 and what industries have they brought to employ some of the 1 million looking for work. I am sincerely looking forward to your reply.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

I don’t know. Why I’d care about that ?! But let’s say, 0 industries… what’s your point ?

Demi

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The serbs are only blocking their local roads for their own local population. They only cause problems for them self :)

The Kosovo goverment should do somthing to protect and ensure freedom of movment for the albanians living in northern Kosovo. That's it.

Let K.serbs block them self and the EU bid of Serbia.

Next year when Tadic and DS wins the election Serbia will be conditioned with recognizing Kosovo for EU membership. Serbs in Kosovo are fighting an already lost battle.
Cheers boys and girls!

BT

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Belgrad want another republika srpska wich is North mitrovica. And it will never happend.
Speaking of Serbs who dump soil on the road. Why doesn't Belgrade urge serbs to stop provoking the Albanians on the other side of the bridge? Do you know why? It's beacause Belgrade wants the Albanians to become angry and all hell breaks loose.And this way  Belgrade could show the world another reason that Mitrovica need to be divided.

sj

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(Demi, 3 October 2011 11:11)

That’s what you think mate. Look at old Boris Tadic… and if you ask why it’s because this has gone completely out of his hands and it’s the” tail wagging the dog” now and he can’t do a thing about it.
There is another interested party to this little conflict that is coming out and they will not let the Serbs be taken over as it’s not in their interests. Reading your comment tells me you wonder why nothing is being done to stop the Serbs; if you look at it closer here are a bunch of Serbs who are completely making a mess of a so called independent Kosovo because the internal government can’t even control their borders with the help of outside forces. You demand that Kosovo’s police take over – oh no little man that is not going to happen and you also wonder why the US and German forces don’t take stronger action? Believe me they would if they could, but they can’t because there is that third party who is stirring it all up and Tadic is looking worse by the day.
I would not hold my breath on the EU announcing Serbia’s candidature for the EU as that would not fool even my 2 years old granddaughter.
Then there is the last but not least and in fact the best part – the EU is financial peril with Greece even announcing a few moments ago that it will not be able to meet its repayment targets this year or the next so more money has to be poured into Greece just to ,make those payments. Meanwhile there are demonstrations against the greed of Wall Street.
Watch the EU now deal with crises after financial crises.
I have told my fellow Serbs to have patience and all will come to them as the west crashes around them and that will not take very long.

pss

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(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)
You condemn the US for its so called agression in Irag and Afg, but then you accuse them of cowardice when exercising restraint in Kosovo?
I think you overestimate Russia's interest. They were embarassed by the actions in 1999 when they comandeered the airport and they were unable to hold it. This has become an opportunity for them to use rhetoric to oppose the west and show their power to "block" items in the UNSC. It is a thorn in the west's side but it has not really stopped anything, has it??
They did not block Eulex, they have not stopped countries from interacting with Kosovo as independent. They have not stopped NATO from assuming control over the northern border.

I think the northern issue is merely a front to help resolve a stalemate, it has been an orchestrated issue.
Serbia has hinted that some type of partition of North might resolve the Kosovo issue but could not initiate it for fear of their people. It had been suggested many times in the past but the west says that it is a not a possibility. So the solution is a crisis in the north. Eventually people are going to have to talk about a solution and its solution will more than likely be the solution to the bigger issue of Kosovo.
This could be a face saving solution for the west, Russia, Kosovo, and Serbia.
So is Kfor going to escalate the conflict--NO, is it out of fear, probably because they do not want a huge military conflict, and that is a potential. Is Russia going to turn Serbia, Kosovo into a war zone, if you do know anything about finance, you do know that is a gigantic NO. Such an action would turn their plans for the south stream into a delay by decades and if other sources are found in that time they will have missed their opportunity.
So encourage your comrades to sit and wait if you want because the battle is no longer over Kosovo but the northern part and that is a huge step from 2 years ago.
I think you are seeing a frustration from Russia in that they do not see the huge commitment from Serbs on the Kosovo issue. They will claim they want to keep Kosovo but human nature is that people want a good life free from conflict. Serbia has realized that Kosovo is lost forever, their only hope is to keep it in limbo so the Albanians cannot rub the victory in their faces.
As your leaders have said time and time again there cannot be a peaceful solution when one side wins everything and the other nothing. Here comes the compromise.
Should the west, Kfor, Eulex, or whoever move in and bring the north totally under control by force and be successful, we would be back to square one where the battle was over all of Kosovo again and there would no longer be the option of a solution where Serbs or the Albanians would not lose it all.

rote

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To Pss personally

“ I think you overestimate Russia's interest. They were embarassed by the actions in 1999 when they comandeered the airport and they were unable to hold it. This has become an opportunity for them to use rhetoric to oppose the west and show their power to "block" items in the UNSC “

*** You will be surprised to know that the state TV in Russia is giving reports from KM every day. Those are very pro-Serbian reports. So do other mass media. 12 years have passed from the events you are building your logics on. Russia was headed by Otpor kinda traitors and it was a partly disintegrated society with no army , big debts and no reserve funds , with USD 12 per barrel with strong and united West opposing us worldwide … No we oppose them wherever we want to … Do dfon’t be a prisoner of your own imagination and mention it is century № 21 that we are living in.

“ Is Russia going to turn Serbia, Kosovo into a war zone, if you do know anything about finance, you do know that is a gigantic NO. Such an action would turn their plans for the south stream into a delay by decades and if other sources are found in that time they will have missed their opportunity. “

*** Here I agree your NO ! But Russia is a global power with global interests and such a primitive one side logics does not explain everything. South Stream as well as the Nord one ( to start pumping in 35 days ) have the main goal to put the Ukraine in its place and thus reunite in some way all three parts of the Russian people. As you must know Belorussia is already on it’s way homeward. To withstand Islamic fundamentalism of the Central Asia Kazakhstan will join us almost automatically.

“I think you are seeing a frustration from Russia in that they do not see the huge commitment from Serbs on the Kosovo issue.”

*** Yes most Russians are disappointed and diverted from Serbia. Nobody here expected the Serbs to elect this Otpor guys again. But I am optimistic that some day Serbs will elect a Serbian President and a Serbian Parliament and a Serbian Government. Only then one can judge if Russia cares about Serbia or not.

Искренне не Ваш !

Steve B.

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Serbs in Kosovo are fighting an already lost battle.
(Demi, 3 October 2011 11:11)

The fact that Albanians have to keep repeating this shows me that you know it IS NOT true and you need to constantly repeat it to help convince yourself.

Serbs will never lose Kosovo. We will defeat you. It will be a struggle as always with the world's powers against us, but this little country has a bigger heart than all those powers combined.

icj1

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That’s what you think mate. Look at old Boris Tadic… and if you ask why it’s because this has gone completely out of his hands and it’s the” tail wagging the dog” now and he can’t do a thing about it.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

That’s great. Hopefully he loses the next election and some brilliant guy like Vuk or Vojislav wins and Kosovo does not have to deal with complications like Serbia in the EU.



There is another interested party to this little conflict that is coming out and they will not let the Serbs be taken over as it’s not in their interests. Reading your comment tells me you wonder why nothing is being done to stop the Serbs; if you look at it closer here are a bunch of Serbs who are completely making a mess of a so called independent Kosovo because the internal government can’t even control their borders with the help of outside forces.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

Borders are in control with the significant help of the K. Serbs which let nothing pass even when KFOR let’s them. Kosovo would be even better if its Albanians citizens demonstrated the same zeal to help Kosovo as their fellow K. Serb citizens.



You demand that Kosovo’s police take over – oh no little man that is not going to happen and you also wonder why the US and German forces don’t take stronger action? Believe me they would if they could,
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

Of course we believe you that they don’t need to take stronger action. Against whom they should take it ? Everybody in Kosovo strongly supports KFOR and 1244. Is there anybody in Kosovo who does not support 1244 and KFOR has to take action against ?



I would not hold my breath on the EU announcing Serbia’s candidature for the EU as that would not fool even my 2 years old granddaughter.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

That’s great for Kosovo so it does not have to deal with complications like Serbia in the EU. Whether it’s good for Serbia or not, I think that leaves the Albanians in Kosovo indifferent.



Then there is the last but not least and in fact the best part – the EU is financial peril with Greece even announcing a few moments ago that it will not be able to meet its repayment targets this year or the next so more money has to be poured into Greece just to ,make those payments. Meanwhile there are demonstrations against the greed of Wall Street.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

I’m sorry one of Serbia strong allies in such dire conditions.



Watch the EU now deal with crises after financial crises.
I have told my fellow Serbs to have patience and all will come to them as the west crashes around them and that will not take very long.
(sj, 3 October 2011 12:57)

Yeah, I have heard that from you sj, for years, and I’m patiently waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting…. even though at the end I’m not sure what my benefit would be out of that ! But who cares, the important thing is that you are happy, or, at least, will be happy at some point in the future, hopefully in this life :)

wtf

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"they were unable to hold it"

Wrong, they weren´t.

In fact they could have secured the whole area had they wanted, General Leonid Ivashov admitted as much, but where ordered by the the oligarch´s man in the Kremlin, Yeltzin, to leave. That was at a time in history when Russia was temporarily weak. That was -99 and much have happened since then mate, sorry to wake you up...

sj

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(miri, 3 October 2011 15:46)

You think that the earth revolves around you and all this in Kosovo is because your special and the west is so concerned about you people’s welfare. It does not and you had better leave your computer and get some fresh air and a newspaper and see what is actually going on in Europe and the US. Both are several steps away from saying bye bye to this planet. Why do you think you had those huge demonstrations in the US? What? Were they bored sitting at home so its time for some fresh air? I think you need to talk to real people.

I strongly suggest that you stop watching too much TV as 7 th heaven has a copy right over that name. Unfortunately it’s a totally crappy show.


Pss

The problem with you is I have to write a university paper to explain my statements at every quarter. The reason the west will not use force is simple and it has nothing to do with it being restrained. The west’s commitments to so called human rights are utter rubbish mate – go and ask the Afghans or even better the innocent people arrested and transported to Gittmo Bay and tortured to confess to activities they never committed nor were they part of. Its main fear is that a third party has joined the dance and that party has a huge interest in keeping Kosovo unstable.

EULEX, NATO KFOR, they can all take control of the north, south or west or east but what have they taken control over? Nothing but a post where no one is passing through and all this means is that Pristina even with the help of the might of the western world does not control its so called borders – that is what it means.

Please stop writing about the Russians in the context of the 1990s. This is 2011 going onto 2012. In the 1990s the US was the only superpower today it’s a leftover that is incapable of acting unilaterally; it’s a former superpower that needs a crutch to try and hold onto whatever. Its about to open a small base in Darwin Australia because it’s been kicked out of the South China Sea by China.

Russia in the 1990s was a broken down country, but in 2011 it not only on its feet but is in the process of controlling Europe.

One way or another Russians have already secured their borders and they don’t need Serbia. But they don’t want American dimwits trying to control their energy and this part is more to do with pride and they will keep the pot boiling a little longer and Boris Tadic nor his government can do a thing about it. The Tadic Government has been massaging the people of Serbia and telling them that the only way is secure Serbs in Kosovo is through human rights crap. Had the stupid Americans treated the Russians as equals in the 1990s they would have had a friend in the Russian people today, but the US could not help but gloat over the defeat over communism. For your information the US nearly went bankrupt defeating the Soviet Union.

I really am tired of reading the same old BS about Albanians wanting to live free, but how are they going to survive? How much has the west invested in Kosovo? Where is the industry that will employ the 1 million Albanians?

Whether you believe me or not I really don’t care but I can tell you this much in that the west has not disclosed all regarding their perilous financial state. Europe is a multi layer financial basket case; when one thing is resolved then something else will fall apart- just keep your eyes open. In the US, the point of no return has already been reached and the downhill slide is gathering speed. Why the huge demos over the weekend? Some people realise what is happening; there were placards asking for reforms to the media because all of this is kept under cover and never see the light of day while poverty increases.

This demonstration going on now is not a front to resolving this issue as Tadic was hoping to have the whole matter taken over by the forces of niceness and goodness and fate acompli. You can see it in his face that it was a complete failure. Now the EU is throwing more carrots in the form of Serbia a candidate for EU. Who do you think they are going to fool?

sj

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(icj1, 4 October 2011 05:57)

The other stuff you talk about is rubbish. A country that cannot control internal access and is unable to pass from one point to another freely is not a country. And KFOR/US/NATO would have used even deadly force if they could. Once against it’s a stalemate which is not in the US interests.
People do not demonstrate on masses such as have done in the US over the weekend if things were happy and everyone was rich, but maybe it was a dream and these demonstration did not happen even though very lititle media attention was given to them, democratic style of course.
Your current US debt is 15 trillion plus – happy days are here again eh? But as you are not concerned with US debt here is your chance to tell me just how much the west has invested in Kosovo since 1999 and what industries have they brought to employ some of the 1 million looking for work. I am sincerely looking forward to your reply.

icj1

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The other stuff you talk about is rubbish.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Thanks anyway for dealing with the rubbish :) Appreciated !



A country that cannot control internal access
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Absolutely correct. That’s why the Serb citizens of Kosovo are voluntarily making sure to control that just in case something escapes the KFOR controls.



and is unable to pass from one point to another freely is not a country.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Haven’t heard N. Kosovo Serbs to complain about that…



And KFOR/US/NATO would have used even deadly force if they could. Once against it’s a stalemate which is not in the US interests.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Use force against whom ? Is there anybody in Kosovo who does not support 1244 ?!



People do not demonstrate on masses such as have done in the US over the weekend if things were happy and everyone was rich, but maybe it was a dream and these demonstration did not happen even though very lititle media attention was given to them, democratic style of course.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

Of course people can demonstrate in the US (not like in Serbia where they can’t). Of course not everybody is rich in the US, but still the average personal income is 6x more than the average citizen in the Chinese paradise. That’s why 13M people (probably more than ever) wanted to immigrate to the US with the latest green card lottery. In any case, it is totally possible that those 13M people are stupid and you know better than them.



Your current US debt is 15 trillion plus –
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

I don’t have any debt ! There is no bank in the world which would lend me 15 trillion. Only somebody like the US is creditworthy enough to get 15 trillion.



happy days are here again eh?
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

“Here” where ?



But as you are not concerned with US debt here is your chance to tell me just how much the west has invested in Kosovo since 1999 and what industries have they brought to employ some of the 1 million looking for work. I am sincerely looking forward to your reply.
(sj, 4 October 2011 10:24)

I don’t know. Why I’d care about that ?! But let’s say, 0 industries… what’s your point ?