Pride Parade won’t be called off, organizers say

Me, myself, and my inflated ego™ soon somewhere near you and your booooring ordinary life. I™ will shake your tree! See me!! I´m different!!!
Anybody? Hello??

Hey Roberto!

If you are so concerned with protecting the rights of the oppressed, why don't you get on down to Jarinje and protest against the NATO imposed freedom of movement for all the Serbs being denied it? That would be something we could actually respect you for.

Thank you.

Englebert
Not from Frisco

Serbia needs to concentrate all it's energy now to the Pride Parade issue, this is the most crucial one. The rest can be solved later. This is a unique event in history: armed conflict is looming, take care about parade.

The most sensitive move from the organizers would be to call off the entire circus ASAP and do a social work in Northern Kosovo on the weekend - as a form of solidarity with the people there. Guess what, their popularity and respect would increase. Heck, in form of a protest make a barricade dedicated to LGBT community and put rainbow flags on the top of it. Let Yanks take the flags down.

Trying to westernize Serbia by forcing foreign stuff and life styles it don´t want is a futile quest Bganon, get over it.

The pride parade is far from the most important issue Ataman. However, what most certainly IS an important issue is that a certain number of hooligans and extreme right wing supporters think its normal to beat or physically attack somebody if they disagree with what they are doing.

This is why the issue is in the news so much. Lets not forget it. If this parade was to be left alone by the extremists it would be the last item on the news that nobody would be particularly interested in.

The irony is that the extreme right and their hooligans enjoy the attention of this parade as much, or even more than those parading.

By the way I have not decided whether I will join the parade or not. I must admit that my presence would owe more to opposing violence and supporting the right to assemble than it would to supporting the specific parade. But if any one of those thugs think that they are out for a day of beating a soft target that won't fight back, they will be in for a shock with me.

P.Rankster - good of you to admit you have an inflated (alter) ego called wtf... What is the nature of your obsession with homosexuality btw?

Ataman,

sarcasm aside, and yes, I do totally understand what you're saying, I would say it IS the most important issue in the balkans - respect (or at least with-gritted-teeth tolerance) for people that are different than you.

-But if any one of those thugs think that they are out for a day of beating a soft target that won't fight back, they will be in for a shock with me...-

god, i wish we could be in blgd for the weekend. and then any of those nice, family-values types (haters) and punks who threw stones, etc, would see some nice ricochet action. pronto.

anyone with the courage of their conviction will be out supporting the marchers, not just engaging in idle chitty chat. period.

ataman, my good frnd -- i have a great idea. why don't you spend the wkend in mitrovica, chain yrself to a roadblock, and then start shouting at the soldiers. wrap yrself in yr best soviet flag. yr such a nice person, i guarantee you some fun action.

these men and women -- the marchers -- are putting their lives in danger each and every day in yr lovely serbia. and it's really funny, it's like one bif f---ing dirty joke, people, right?

Actual and authentic human rights supporters will be well represented there, according to the organizer, as well as an international contingent, and regional representatives as well. normally, unlike so many of the "nice" ppl here, most lgbt ppl do not promote ethnic cleansing, esp.ly after what they themselves have to endure. esp.ly in that lovely prt of the world.

however i am informed that one of their main members is part of the milosevic "socialist" party. whatever. it really takes all kinds.

dacic is lower than low. low-est! nothing more to be said about that. ditto for belgrade's mayor, or is that the mayor of moscow?

as usual yr media has done a mind-numbing job of repeating every right wing hack's position regarding the parade/march, and almost nothing to explain or show the side(s) of the organizers/participants. also a complaint of one of the organizers -- boy, it was such a major challenge to get a hold of them (3 seconds.)

biz as usual w yr fabulous, democratic, um media.

my only concern now is for the safety and well being of the participants. and to all the nasty right wingers and haters our there, the whole world will be watching!

roberto frisco

What's wrong about family Roberta?
Nothing against people being gay or lesbian but personally, I was unhappy not to be able to leave home, with my family, this weekend because of the threat to our security, due to this controversial manifestation.
Furthermore, I don't beleive that this parade would build bridges or favor in any way integration of gay and lesbian people. On the contrary !
Joachim

"my only concern now is for the safety and well being of the participants. and to all the nasty right wingers and haters our there, the whole world will be watching!

roberto frisco
(roberto, 30 September 2011 16:23) "


If you are that concerned, why not campaign for the parade to be transferred to, say, Pristina or Tirana?

wtf, what is the nature of your obsession with homosexuality? I ask because you and your substitute monickers have posted on this issue more than any other individual here.

I would also add that what you call a product isn't one. Homosexuality isn't an item one purchases in the shop, it is the way some of the population are born.

''Heck, in form of a protest make a barricade dedicated to LGBT community and put rainbow flags on the top of it. Let Yanks take the flags down.
(Ataman, 30 September 2011 13:13) ''

That would nothing but harm communitity of gays in Kosovo and Albania, in such case gays in Albania would be considered as serb supporters and consequently as traitors...however, i never got the idea of gay parade, if a gay wants to be treated as equal, why do they have to dance naked in front of children and families, even if straight people acted like that to celebrate their straightness , they would be beaten up by anyone normal...btw , you don't have to be a decent straight to be a normal person enjoying your life...as for the prejudice toward gay people, i also think it is unfair t mistreat someone for what he she or it is...

Patrick get a grip, homosexuality is born in people, it isn't a 'lifestyle'.

And who said anything about westernising? This is about the right not to be attacked whilst peacefully protesting. If you don't support that right, what does that make you?

roberto please explain what democracy means to you? 99% of the country does not want this sickness to be displayed. Isn't majority rules a part of democracy? how then is it right to hold a parade in which the whole country does not want?

and how lovely is it to see bganon and roberto threatening violence.

Hey Roberto!

If you are so concerned with protecting the rights of the oppressed, why don't you get on down to Jarinje and protest against the NATO imposed freedom of movement for all the Serbs being denied it? That would be something we could actually respect you for.

Thank you.

Englebert
Not from Frisco
(Englebert, 30 September 2011 16:56)

Many reasons.

#1: he needs to understand the fine difference between "Punks" and "Skinheads" and work his ignorance somewhat down.

#2: he needs to understand the fine difference between the "Soviet flag", "Russian pan-Slavonic / republican flag" and "Russian traditional imperial flag"... and further decrease the ignorance level.

#3: finally, after he realizes than black-gold-white does not equal bowing to some "Tsar" and it has nothing to do with Bolsheviks, Communists, Stalin and other crap - than he may learn what this song does really mean. That's the original, not the mocking anti-Chechen chastushka:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvsVNvi6Pus

"Будет правда на Земле - будет и свобода"

Because you can't have "свобода" without "правда", that's how the things work.
But Albanians, UÇK, Roberto and some others think, there is some sort of way around or maybe a fast lane. Not going to work.

BTW: this is one of the best texts on that crappy youtube. Many who commented were shocked because they did not know, THAT is the original, not the mocking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjTGxj_72Y8

It´s not about the "rights" of these egocentric, few, sexually obsessed Serbian prophets of the western degenerated church of "democracy", their local "enlightened" backers and their foreign donors, they already enjoys the same rights we all are, it´s about provocation, further occupation, humiliation and disrespect of a culture that simply don't want it.

Why is that so hard to comprehend? If people dont want your "product" they simply are not going to buy it no matter how hard you hit them in their heads or rape their minds advertising it.

if a gay wants to be treated as equal, why do they have to dance naked in front of children and families, even if straight people acted like that to celebrate their straightness , they would be beaten up by anyone normal..
(iliri, 30 September 2011 15:48)

I will not provide any link to a "straight" parade, there is such thing, too. If you are curious, you can google or what-not, just don't do it after your dinner because you will see your dinner again. I did see one clip, not prudish here at all - but had hard time not to vomit. It was a "straight" business but regardless.

By the way: in America many things what you do just on the street or on the beach is banned and you will get to jail. One of the most bigot society - but they teach others.

---

btw , you don't have to be a decent straight to be a normal person enjoying your life...as for the prejudice toward gay people, i also think it is unfair t mistreat someone for what he she or it is...
(iliri, 30 September 2011 15:48)

Yes, agree and let's continue this way:

you don't have to be a decent Albanian to be a normal person enjoying your life...as for the prejudice toward Serbian people, i also think it is unfair t mistreat someone for what he she or it is...

god, i wish we could be in blgd for the weekend. and then any of those nice, family-values types (haters) and punks who threw stones, etc, would see some nice ricochet action. pronto.

roberto frisco
(roberto, 30 September 2011 16:23)

You are 100% unfamiliar with punk scene. Neither I am very familiar, but punks don't throw stones, punks are on the other side of the fence. You accused them of something their arch-enemies (skinheads) do. This is called ignorance. Punk is not a skinhead. Now you ow me a drink or two because I just saved you from being beaten by both.

---

ataman, my good frnd -- i have a great idea. why don't you spend the wkend in mitrovica, chain yrself to a roadblock, and then start shouting at the soldiers. wrap yrself in yr best soviet flag. yr such a nice person, i guarantee you some fun action.

roberto frisco
(roberto, 30 September 2011 16:23)

Ignorance again - we have not a single soviet flag, they are out of fashion long ago. You do not even know how the Russian or Hungarian flags look like. Hint: the know Russian flag the way it is - is just to be politically correct at the correct time. It's not the "real" one.

That's the real. Not my fault if you do not like the clip, but that's what I found, enjoy. If you see black-gold-white you better know, how to dance the way the music is played :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVgVVAfpDjc

And as you see on the end, not all black two-headed eagles are of the same design.

Why do they need a parade? What is next..? a parade of which fetishes people are into?

If for example, I want to join a parade where we would march for our love of 'Art' and it would provoke and upset the majority of Serbian people and it was clear that there could be acts of violence, then I would NOT march for it. Instead, I would go to Berlin where it is welcomed.

Parading sexuality only increases tensions and does not contribute to raised awareness etc..

Having a parade when you know its going to upset the majority of a country is ridiculous and a provocation. The majority of Serbia should be respected.

Gays/Lesbians should have all the same rights except being allowed to show off their sexuality publicly in a pride parade.

The pride parade is far from the most important issue Ataman. However, what most certainly IS an important issue is that a certain number of hooligans and extreme right wing supporters think its normal to beat or physically attack somebody if they disagree with what they are doing.

This is why the issue is in the news so much. Lets not forget it. If this parade was to be left alone by the extremists it would be the last item on the news that nobody would be particularly interested in.

The irony is that the extreme right and their hooligans enjoy the attention of this parade as much, or even more than those parading.

By the way I have not decided whether I will join the parade or not. I must admit that my presence would owe more to opposing violence and supporting the right to assemble than it would to supporting the specific parade. But if any one of those thugs think that they are out for a day of beating a soft target that won't fight back, they will be in for a shock with me.

P.Rankster - good of you to admit you have an inflated (alter) ego called wtf... What is the nature of your obsession with homosexuality btw?

Serbia needs to concentrate all it's energy now to the Pride Parade issue, this is the most crucial one. The rest can be solved later. This is a unique event in history: armed conflict is looming, take care about parade.

The most sensitive move from the organizers would be to call off the entire circus ASAP and do a social work in Northern Kosovo on the weekend - as a form of solidarity with the people there. Guess what, their popularity and respect would increase. Heck, in form of a protest make a barricade dedicated to LGBT community and put rainbow flags on the top of it. Let Yanks take the flags down.

Ataman,

sarcasm aside, and yes, I do totally understand what you're saying, I would say it IS the most important issue in the balkans - respect (or at least with-gritted-teeth tolerance) for people that are different than you.

-But if any one of those thugs think that they are out for a day of beating a soft target that won't fight back, they will be in for a shock with me...-

god, i wish we could be in blgd for the weekend. and then any of those nice, family-values types (haters) and punks who threw stones, etc, would see some nice ricochet action. pronto.

anyone with the courage of their conviction will be out supporting the marchers, not just engaging in idle chitty chat. period.

ataman, my good frnd -- i have a great idea. why don't you spend the wkend in mitrovica, chain yrself to a roadblock, and then start shouting at the soldiers. wrap yrself in yr best soviet flag. yr such a nice person, i guarantee you some fun action.

these men and women -- the marchers -- are putting their lives in danger each and every day in yr lovely serbia. and it's really funny, it's like one bif f---ing dirty joke, people, right?

Actual and authentic human rights supporters will be well represented there, according to the organizer, as well as an international contingent, and regional representatives as well. normally, unlike so many of the "nice" ppl here, most lgbt ppl do not promote ethnic cleansing, esp.ly after what they themselves have to endure. esp.ly in that lovely prt of the world.

however i am informed that one of their main members is part of the milosevic "socialist" party. whatever. it really takes all kinds.

dacic is lower than low. low-est! nothing more to be said about that. ditto for belgrade's mayor, or is that the mayor of moscow?

as usual yr media has done a mind-numbing job of repeating every right wing hack's position regarding the parade/march, and almost nothing to explain or show the side(s) of the organizers/participants. also a complaint of one of the organizers -- boy, it was such a major challenge to get a hold of them (3 seconds.)

biz as usual w yr fabulous, democratic, um media.

my only concern now is for the safety and well being of the participants. and to all the nasty right wingers and haters our there, the whole world will be watching!

roberto frisco

''Heck, in form of a protest make a barricade dedicated to LGBT community and put rainbow flags on the top of it. Let Yanks take the flags down.
(Ataman, 30 September 2011 13:13) ''

That would nothing but harm communitity of gays in Kosovo and Albania, in such case gays in Albania would be considered as serb supporters and consequently as traitors...however, i never got the idea of gay parade, if a gay wants to be treated as equal, why do they have to dance naked in front of children and families, even if straight people acted like that to celebrate their straightness , they would be beaten up by anyone normal...btw , you don't have to be a decent straight to be a normal person enjoying your life...as for the prejudice toward gay people, i also think it is unfair t mistreat someone for what he she or it is...

Hey Roberto!

If you are so concerned with protecting the rights of the oppressed, why don't you get on down to Jarinje and protest against the NATO imposed freedom of movement for all the Serbs being denied it? That would be something we could actually respect you for.

Thank you.

Englebert
Not from Frisco

Patrick get a grip, homosexuality is born in people, it isn't a 'lifestyle'.

And who said anything about westernising? This is about the right not to be attacked whilst peacefully protesting. If you don't support that right, what does that make you?

Me, myself, and my inflated ego™ soon somewhere near you and your booooring ordinary life. I™ will shake your tree! See me!! I´m different!!!
Anybody? Hello??

Trying to westernize Serbia by forcing foreign stuff and life styles it don´t want is a futile quest Bganon, get over it.

roberto please explain what democracy means to you? 99% of the country does not want this sickness to be displayed. Isn't majority rules a part of democracy? how then is it right to hold a parade in which the whole country does not want?

and how lovely is it to see bganon and roberto threatening violence.

It´s not about the "rights" of these egocentric, few, sexually obsessed Serbian prophets of the western degenerated church of "democracy", their local "enlightened" backers and their foreign donors, they already enjoys the same rights we all are, it´s about provocation, further occupation, humiliation and disrespect of a culture that simply don't want it.

Why is that so hard to comprehend? If people dont want your "product" they simply are not going to buy it no matter how hard you hit them in their heads or rape their minds advertising it.

if a gay wants to be treated as equal, why do they have to dance naked in front of children and families, even if straight people acted like that to celebrate their straightness , they would be beaten up by anyone normal..
(iliri, 30 September 2011 15:48)

I will not provide any link to a "straight" parade, there is such thing, too. If you are curious, you can google or what-not, just don't do it after your dinner because you will see your dinner again. I did see one clip, not prudish here at all - but had hard time not to vomit. It was a "straight" business but regardless.

By the way: in America many things what you do just on the street or on the beach is banned and you will get to jail. One of the most bigot society - but they teach others.

---

btw , you don't have to be a decent straight to be a normal person enjoying your life...as for the prejudice toward gay people, i also think it is unfair t mistreat someone for what he she or it is...
(iliri, 30 September 2011 15:48)

Yes, agree and let's continue this way:

you don't have to be a decent Albanian to be a normal person enjoying your life...as for the prejudice toward Serbian people, i also think it is unfair t mistreat someone for what he she or it is...

god, i wish we could be in blgd for the weekend. and then any of those nice, family-values types (haters) and punks who threw stones, etc, would see some nice ricochet action. pronto.

roberto frisco
(roberto, 30 September 2011 16:23)

You are 100% unfamiliar with punk scene. Neither I am very familiar, but punks don't throw stones, punks are on the other side of the fence. You accused them of something their arch-enemies (skinheads) do. This is called ignorance. Punk is not a skinhead. Now you ow me a drink or two because I just saved you from being beaten by both.

---

ataman, my good frnd -- i have a great idea. why don't you spend the wkend in mitrovica, chain yrself to a roadblock, and then start shouting at the soldiers. wrap yrself in yr best soviet flag. yr such a nice person, i guarantee you some fun action.

roberto frisco
(roberto, 30 September 2011 16:23)

Ignorance again - we have not a single soviet flag, they are out of fashion long ago. You do not even know how the Russian or Hungarian flags look like. Hint: the know Russian flag the way it is - is just to be politically correct at the correct time. It's not the "real" one.

That's the real. Not my fault if you do not like the clip, but that's what I found, enjoy. If you see black-gold-white you better know, how to dance the way the music is played :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVgVVAfpDjc

And as you see on the end, not all black two-headed eagles are of the same design.

Hey Roberto!

If you are so concerned with protecting the rights of the oppressed, why don't you get on down to Jarinje and protest against the NATO imposed freedom of movement for all the Serbs being denied it? That would be something we could actually respect you for.

Thank you.

Englebert
Not from Frisco
(Englebert, 30 September 2011 16:56)

Many reasons.

#1: he needs to understand the fine difference between "Punks" and "Skinheads" and work his ignorance somewhat down.

#2: he needs to understand the fine difference between the "Soviet flag", "Russian pan-Slavonic / republican flag" and "Russian traditional imperial flag"... and further decrease the ignorance level.

#3: finally, after he realizes than black-gold-white does not equal bowing to some "Tsar" and it has nothing to do with Bolsheviks, Communists, Stalin and other crap - than he may learn what this song does really mean. That's the original, not the mocking anti-Chechen chastushka:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvsVNvi6Pus

"Будет правда на Земле - будет и свобода"

Because you can't have "свобода" without "правда", that's how the things work.
But Albanians, UÇK, Roberto and some others think, there is some sort of way around or maybe a fast lane. Not going to work.

BTW: this is one of the best texts on that crappy youtube. Many who commented were shocked because they did not know, THAT is the original, not the mocking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjTGxj_72Y8

What's wrong about family Roberta?
Nothing against people being gay or lesbian but personally, I was unhappy not to be able to leave home, with my family, this weekend because of the threat to our security, due to this controversial manifestation.
Furthermore, I don't beleive that this parade would build bridges or favor in any way integration of gay and lesbian people. On the contrary !
Joachim

Why do they need a parade? What is next..? a parade of which fetishes people are into?

If for example, I want to join a parade where we would march for our love of 'Art' and it would provoke and upset the majority of Serbian people and it was clear that there could be acts of violence, then I would NOT march for it. Instead, I would go to Berlin where it is welcomed.

Parading sexuality only increases tensions and does not contribute to raised awareness etc..

Having a parade when you know its going to upset the majority of a country is ridiculous and a provocation. The majority of Serbia should be respected.

Gays/Lesbians should have all the same rights except being allowed to show off their sexuality publicly in a pride parade.

"my only concern now is for the safety and well being of the participants. and to all the nasty right wingers and haters our there, the whole world will be watching!

roberto frisco
(roberto, 30 September 2011 16:23) "


If you are that concerned, why not campaign for the parade to be transferred to, say, Pristina or Tirana?

wtf, what is the nature of your obsession with homosexuality? I ask because you and your substitute monickers have posted on this issue more than any other individual here.

I would also add that what you call a product isn't one. Homosexuality isn't an item one purchases in the shop, it is the way some of the population are born.