Bosniak politicians “pushing Bosnia towards disintegration”

.The entities need to disappear and have a centralized government in Sarajevo which controls the country. There is no need for the amount of ministers that the country has. RS entity is trying to break away by promoting itself as the better entity, which in fact it is not. You cannot form a country which is built on suffering of others, and which is created by mass killings.

GOOD !!!.

This State is a Fake Yugoslavian State,
constructed by Nato and Islamists.

It is a clear Show of the Western Standard of Hypocrisy !.

Arn.Sweden.

The RS is accusing someone else of attempting to destroy Bosnia? Do wonders never cease? A truly sick joke, indeed.

This is the same government that every turn has attempted to block the formation of efficient government institutions, whose officials refuse to fly the flag or acknowledge the state which they represent and are a part of, and continue to follow and espouse a categorically chauvinist and racist political line. The same government which attempt to send private jets to escort convicted war criminals, and prides itself on its legacy , part of a broader, decades long campaign to eliminate any vestige of Bosnia's polycultural history. And they are accusing someone else of attempting destroy Bosnia? Please.

Most Bosniak politicians deserves a heaps of scorn but not for the reasons above, and certainly not from the political establishment in the RS.

.The entities need to disappear and have a centralized government in Sarajevo which controls the country. There is no need for the amount of ministers that the country has. RS entity is trying to break away by promoting itself as the better entity, which in fact it is not. You cannot form a country which is built on suffering of others, and which is created by mass killings.
(John Smith, 26 September 2011 16:41)

The iron of that argument is If not for a Genocide in WW2, The Serbs would have had the overwhelming majority in 92 and Bosnia would never have been able to seceed in the first place.q

What a shame that Bosnia could never become the Switzerland of the Balkans, where the concept of freedom and independence is stronger than the belonging to the nation states of the constituent peoples (Germany-France-Italy / Serbia-Croatia). Looking at the politicians of these states - Milosevic, Seselj, Tudjman etc., maybe the peoples of Bosnia would have been better off in their beautiful mountain kingdom, left alone by these cynical power-players.

John Smith

You mean like the State of Croatia?

@John Smith
Your advise is 20 years too late!
It would have been a good idea for Yugoslavia!
Not one ethnic group had a majority the country could prosper that way, we can see that there are still many multi ethnic countries like Pakistan/India/Afghanistan/Malaysia/Indonesia etc. but for ex- YU we have now 6 smaller mono ethnic countries instead off a Great multi ethnic YU..

No! if the Bosnian Muslims want to rule, No problem they can.
But not with Republika Srpska, If Sarajevo dis behaves Then RS should Join Serbia!
And if the Croats want to be a minority under the Bosnjaks they can stay.
My advice for them is (region around Mostar) join Croatia.

Can't we brother slavs all live together in peace in one country together called Yugo-slav... I mean Bosnia? Why do we need separate countries for Croats, Muslims, and Serbs?

What childish ignorent people there is !.

The entities need to disappear and have a centralized government in Sarajevo which controls the country. There is no need for the amount of ministers that the country has. RS entity is trying to break away by promoting itself as the better entity, which in fact it is not. You cannot form a country which is built on suffering of others, and which is created by mass killings.
(John Smith, 26 September 2011 16:41)

Read the History about Yugoslavia,
before you come up with such nonsense !.

With selfdeceivers like this one Peace is an impossibility !.

Arn.Sweden.

“The intelligence-security agencies in Bosnia-Herzegovina are inefficient in the fight against terrorism because of the political obstructions," Radmanović concluded"

Inefficient? That's putting it most generously. Much is made of the criminals running Kosovo at the moment, but the history of Muslims in Bosnia, even recently, is nothing to brag about either.

John Smith: That is a very vague description of a model to solve Bosnia's problems. Not having a centralized government is exactly what the whole world agreed upon (the only exception is the Bosnian muslims) so I'm interested to learn what you know that everyone else doesn't. The three constituent ethnicities is what gives the country it's right to exist, I mean what's the point without it? Neither of the three ethnicities can rightfully claim the entire territory (wouldn't it be great if it was that simple?) So how would a centralized government be fair to the entire population as opposed to just one of the 3 peoples?

(John Smith, 26 September 2011 16:41)

Too bad nobody in the West supports you Muslims in "conquering" Bosnia for yourselves!

BTW There is no need to hide behind and American name, you should have chosen a more camouflaged version,lets say Peter Roberts ...
This "taqija" tactics don`t work with us Serbs

Those fiend unbelievable thanks Serb member Nebojša Radmanović for preserving the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina and we all thought Serbs are trying their best to destroy it go figure.

They just need to erase both entites and have a normal government like the rest of the world. This is rediculas.

This problem will not be solwed for years and years to come because it was created by the US, this is the same problem Israel and Palestine have, As long as the US and other world powers have an intrest in the Balkans the problem will never get solved.

We Bosnian no matter what religion we are Muslim or Christian need to stop being a puppet to the US/EU/Russia/Serbia

We need to take care of Bosnia and not worrry about other countires. We live here they dont.

"The iron of that argument is If not for a Genocide in WW2, The Serbs would have had the overwhelming majority in 92 and Bosnia would never have been able to seceed in the first place."

This is pure speculation.

-The RS is accusing someone else of attempting to destroy Bosnia? Do wonders never cease? A truly sick joke, indeed...- (Tulip)

Tell me about it. what a load of propa and gander. Please! "RS" and that horrible Dodik is almost single-handedly responsible for the "impossible" situation that bosnia finds itself in. granted,the dayton accords were pretty miserable. but it is ridiculous, in my opinion, to claim it was a conspiracy of america, the west, etc. BS! the whole policy of the west (s0-called) was disastrous in relation to bosnia -- they intervened in the worst ways, and in a meaningful manner way too late. i offer no excuse, it is unforgivable, and we knew about the genocide, the conc camps, we can't plead ignorance.

but right now it is dodik, he (and his clique) is enemy #1 of Bosnia and the Bosnian ppl. of course he is just a proxy of belgrade's, but nevertheless, he carries a tremendous responsibility. the high rep should have kicked out his arse long ago -- i don't give a damn how many "democratic" votes he receives (110%?) he should be in a courtroom, then prison, instead of in govt. give me a break!

currently (from what last i read) they are holding the country ransome until the other entity agrees to let them ("RS") grab the position for minister's post. oh, wouldn't that be a snappy idea!

why does this still feel like the (bad old) milosevic days?

roberto frisco

Reading the comments of Tulip and John S one would think that Sarajevo is an economic paradise, rather than an economic parasite. Not two years ago Sarajavo was on the verge of bankruptcy that the Brussels bailed out for the last time because they insist on paying very generous pensions to all their war veterans, including the mujehedeen that it cost the budget more than health and other basic services put together. On top of that, Sarajevo has received well over a billion euros in free money from Brussels since 1995, most of it stolen.

On the other hand, the RS has received close to nothing from Brussels but has attracted international investment from foreign firms and pays for itself. They have very recently had an international investors conference:

via official balkans propaganda outlet Balkan Insite, originally sourced from balkans.com and Glas Srpske

"...The conference has been organised by the government in Republika Srpska, RS, one of Bosnia and Herzegovina’s two semi-autonomous entities which has its own entity-level government.

Officials from the Ministry of Economic Affairs and Regional Cooperation in the RS Government pointed out that the arrival in Banja Luka confirmed investors from North America, Russia, China, Mexico, Italy, Israel, Great Britain, Holland, Hungary, Germany, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, Serbia , Croatia and Finland.

The conference is expected to present investment opportunities for four sectors: energy, metallurgy industry, tourism and food processing..."

Link:

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/global-investors-flock-to-bosnia-for-conference

And what has Sarajevo done except line its own pockets? As if 'integrating' the RS into the basket case Federation will save the Federation from its meager economic existence. Who thinks that stealing the product of good hard work by the bosnian serbs to simply subsidize croat and moslem war pensions is economically rational?

The Serbs didn't make Bosnia a basket case, the moslems, croats and their international friend did it all by themselves.

"This State is a Fake Yugoslavian State, constructed by Nato and Islamists. "

What is wrong with that?

"Can't we brother slavs all live together in peace in one country together called Yugo-slav... I mean Bosnia? Why do we need separate countries for Croats, Muslims, and Serbs?
(Stevo B, 27 September 2011 10:27)"

Because they all speak different languages officially. Bosnian, Croatian & Serbian, or BCS as Brussels calls it, though funnily enough if I say something about somebody's mother (you know what I mean) in one of those languages, the other two will magically understand.

What ignorant Peoples there are !.
To the Signature Francois - I Quote -

."This State is a Fake Yugoslavian State, constructed by Nato and Islamists. "

What is wrong with that?
(Francois, 26 September 2011 19:31)

Read New Zeelanders Comment -

.The entities need to disappear and have a centralized government in Sarajevo which controls the country. There is no need for the amount of ministers that the country has. RS entity is trying to break away by promoting itself as the better entity, which in fact it is not. You cannot form a country which is built on suffering of others, and which is created by mass killings.
(John Smith, 26 September 2011 16:41)

The iron of that argument is If not for a Genocide in WW2, The Serbs would have had the overwhelming majority in 92 and Bosnia would never have been able to seceed in the first place.q
(New Zealander, 26 September 2011 20:39)

Comment -

The Croats and Muslims during the WW2.,
Made an Genocide on the Population of Civil Serbs,
in both Croatia and Bosnia,
and the Serbian innocent victims was more than a Million in both Croatia and Bosnia.

Now this signature Francois,
dont tink there is any wrongdong in building a Fake Yugoslavia,
with Muslim and Croat Mayority on this Genocide.

God bevere ! '

Arn Sweden.

No EU for Bosnia. The EU doesn't need another Belgium. LOL!

Arn Sweden's so wrong wrong. It is not Muslims' fault if Serbs prefer not to get enough children.

why does this still feel like the (bad old) milosevic days?

roberto frisco
(roberto, 27 September 2011 06:27)

I'll tell you why.
Because the muslim politicians in Sarajevo haven't learnt a thing the last 20 years, thats why.
They still think that they can rule over Serbs and Croats just because they WERE the largest group in Bosnia before the war.

Well, the world and everyone exept you and the muslims think otherwise, thank god

Arn. Sweden's calculations are unfortunately somewhat adventurous. In contrast to what he's saying, the overall number of Serb victims in the Ustasha genocide's usually estimated between 220,000-400,000 by independent researchers. I know Serb historians tend to use far higher figures while Croatian historians tend to use far lower figures, but these are scientifically unsound.

Anyway, one surely has to add a large number of Serbs who were either expelled or forced to convert to catholicism. Without any doubt, the crimes against Serbs in WW2 must not be downplayed. They also had an influence on the democraphics of former Yugoslavia.

Nevertheless, Arn Sweden's calculations ignore a number of statistically important facts:

- A large number inhabitants of Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina immigrated during the times of Socialist Yugoslavia.

- Statistically, Muslim families have more children than Serbs or Croats.

- Without the crimes of WW2, the course of history would have been completly different. It is therefore scientifically unsound to say what would have happened *if* something had not happened 50 years ago.

Apart from this, one should also consider that an independent Bosnia-Hercegovina's intended as a democratic, multiethnic state consisting of Serbs, Croats & Bosniaks. It neither implements displacement nor genocide of Serbs.

Tulip wrote:

"This is the same government (...), whose officials refuse to fly the flag or acknowledge the state which they represent and are a part of."

This is also what puzzles me. Dayton indeed established the RS as an entity within the State of BiH, the RS consequently derives all its legitimacy in terms of international law by the State of BiH being recognized by the UN. Hence, refusing to display the internationally recognised symbols of the very state (BiH) from which the very legitimacy of the entity of the RS depends and derives from, ultimately amounts to constitutional self-denial. No?

How can one possibly argue for the Dayton agreement to be observed by the letter without observing them all oneself?

What is this - I quote -

Arn Sweden's so wrong wrong. It is not Muslims' fault if Serbs prefer not to get enough children.
(Francois, 27 September 2011 17:49)

Comment -

How many more Serbs would there have been,
in bouth Croatia and Bosnia,
if the Murdered Serbian Civialians would not have been Murdered ?

In Croatia 1932 alone,
there where 1.500.000. Serbs in a Population of 4.500.000.,
One Third that is.
When the civil War breaked out in the 90ties,
there was only some 600.000 serbs living in Croatia.
in an Popualtion still only 4.500.000.
Those 600.000. Serbs could not have been more than 400.000 in 1945.
One can imagine how many they would have been if not Murdered.

The case of Bosnia is similar but,
i have had the exact Numbers and dont remember exactly,
so I refrain from coment on Bosnia,
but if my memory is correct,
the Serbs where in Mayority in Bosnia back then.


Arn.Sweden.

Roberto,

You get pleasure from being a part of the problem, instead of being a part of the solution, don't you?

In modern Evrope genocid on Srbs continue for over 100 yr.
1-st war transformation to Islam was ended till 1912 after I-war 25% yong Serb is kill.
2-nd war take 1.5 mil.Serbs rest of them to be Croat Catolic today.
3-rd war for serb continue in 3 field,
In 1946 Serb prisoner from Germany was kill i Kocevje ( 60.000).
Nobady is punish for that.
In mid 50s it's not secret to Sink entire Serbia with Dunav river in Djerdap.
a) Economic 2-nd Yugoslavija devide all Serb land and people such way to be like today powerless.
All Serbian industry was moved to the west of the former Yuga.
just one example:Truck factory from Rakovica was totaly removed to Slovenia - TAM city Maribor.
b). politic 12.5m Serbs in Yugo from 20 mil. don't have any rights nothing like today.
c). Europe hit capitol city Belgrade with heavy bomb and depleted Uranium for near 3 mo. soft radiation balony for next 1000yr.
Also 150 top Serbs finish in Hag and earn near 1000 yr in prison.
Proff betwen east west how Serb live today:

Croatia
Ctaolic Serb don't exist hm......pst be quiet. go with BG registration must be crazy.
Bosnia
75 % of land title is in Serbs hand of 33% people population.
former serb today Muslim don't liked Serbs do to invasion of muhadzedins and PIG population.
Kosovo
is heart of Serb land, Church and Monastery from 12 century is there (Pec, Gracanica)
forgeret this they say that is History, com on we are in 21-st century - no History.
OK. No History but Serbian prisoner organ is sold on black market beter than mercedes parts.
III-rd war in Serbia is created from Muslim & Catolic goal to grub Serbian land with temporary suckess.

.The entities need to disappear and have a centralized government in Sarajevo which controls the country. There is no need for the amount of ministers that the country has. RS entity is trying to break away by promoting itself as the better entity, which in fact it is not. You cannot form a country which is built on suffering of others, and which is created by mass killings.

GOOD !!!.

This State is a Fake Yugoslavian State,
constructed by Nato and Islamists.

It is a clear Show of the Western Standard of Hypocrisy !.

Arn.Sweden.

"This State is a Fake Yugoslavian State, constructed by Nato and Islamists. "

What is wrong with that?

The RS is accusing someone else of attempting to destroy Bosnia? Do wonders never cease? A truly sick joke, indeed.

This is the same government that every turn has attempted to block the formation of efficient government institutions, whose officials refuse to fly the flag or acknowledge the state which they represent and are a part of, and continue to follow and espouse a categorically chauvinist and racist political line. The same government which attempt to send private jets to escort convicted war criminals, and prides itself on its legacy , part of a broader, decades long campaign to eliminate any vestige of Bosnia's polycultural history. And they are accusing someone else of attempting destroy Bosnia? Please.

Most Bosniak politicians deserves a heaps of scorn but not for the reasons above, and certainly not from the political establishment in the RS.

.The entities need to disappear and have a centralized government in Sarajevo which controls the country. There is no need for the amount of ministers that the country has. RS entity is trying to break away by promoting itself as the better entity, which in fact it is not. You cannot form a country which is built on suffering of others, and which is created by mass killings.
(John Smith, 26 September 2011 16:41)

The iron of that argument is If not for a Genocide in WW2, The Serbs would have had the overwhelming majority in 92 and Bosnia would never have been able to seceed in the first place.q

What childish ignorent people there is !.

The entities need to disappear and have a centralized government in Sarajevo which controls the country. There is no need for the amount of ministers that the country has. RS entity is trying to break away by promoting itself as the better entity, which in fact it is not. You cannot form a country which is built on suffering of others, and which is created by mass killings.
(John Smith, 26 September 2011 16:41)

Read the History about Yugoslavia,
before you come up with such nonsense !.

With selfdeceivers like this one Peace is an impossibility !.

Arn.Sweden.

@John Smith
Your advise is 20 years too late!
It would have been a good idea for Yugoslavia!
Not one ethnic group had a majority the country could prosper that way, we can see that there are still many multi ethnic countries like Pakistan/India/Afghanistan/Malaysia/Indonesia etc. but for ex- YU we have now 6 smaller mono ethnic countries instead off a Great multi ethnic YU..

No! if the Bosnian Muslims want to rule, No problem they can.
But not with Republika Srpska, If Sarajevo dis behaves Then RS should Join Serbia!
And if the Croats want to be a minority under the Bosnjaks they can stay.
My advice for them is (region around Mostar) join Croatia.

John Smith

You mean like the State of Croatia?

They just need to erase both entites and have a normal government like the rest of the world. This is rediculas.

This problem will not be solwed for years and years to come because it was created by the US, this is the same problem Israel and Palestine have, As long as the US and other world powers have an intrest in the Balkans the problem will never get solved.

We Bosnian no matter what religion we are Muslim or Christian need to stop being a puppet to the US/EU/Russia/Serbia

We need to take care of Bosnia and not worrry about other countires. We live here they dont.

(John Smith, 26 September 2011 16:41)

Too bad nobody in the West supports you Muslims in "conquering" Bosnia for yourselves!

BTW There is no need to hide behind and American name, you should have chosen a more camouflaged version,lets say Peter Roberts ...
This "taqija" tactics don`t work with us Serbs

Those fiend unbelievable thanks Serb member Nebojša Radmanović for preserving the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina and we all thought Serbs are trying their best to destroy it go figure.

“The intelligence-security agencies in Bosnia-Herzegovina are inefficient in the fight against terrorism because of the political obstructions," Radmanović concluded"

Inefficient? That's putting it most generously. Much is made of the criminals running Kosovo at the moment, but the history of Muslims in Bosnia, even recently, is nothing to brag about either.

Reading the comments of Tulip and John S one would think that Sarajevo is an economic paradise, rather than an economic parasite. Not two years ago Sarajavo was on the verge of bankruptcy that the Brussels bailed out for the last time because they insist on paying very generous pensions to all their war veterans, including the mujehedeen that it cost the budget more than health and other basic services put together. On top of that, Sarajevo has received well over a billion euros in free money from Brussels since 1995, most of it stolen.

On the other hand, the RS has received close to nothing from Brussels but has attracted international investment from foreign firms and pays for itself. They have very recently had an international investors conference:

via official balkans propaganda outlet Balkan Insite, originally sourced from balkans.com and Glas Srpske

"...The conference has been organised by the government in Republika Srpska, RS, one of Bosnia and Herzegovina’s two semi-autonomous entities which has its own entity-level government.

Officials from the Ministry of Economic Affairs and Regional Cooperation in the RS Government pointed out that the arrival in Banja Luka confirmed investors from North America, Russia, China, Mexico, Italy, Israel, Great Britain, Holland, Hungary, Germany, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Slovakia, Serbia , Croatia and Finland.

The conference is expected to present investment opportunities for four sectors: energy, metallurgy industry, tourism and food processing..."

Link:

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/global-investors-flock-to-bosnia-for-conference

And what has Sarajevo done except line its own pockets? As if 'integrating' the RS into the basket case Federation will save the Federation from its meager economic existence. Who thinks that stealing the product of good hard work by the bosnian serbs to simply subsidize croat and moslem war pensions is economically rational?

The Serbs didn't make Bosnia a basket case, the moslems, croats and their international friend did it all by themselves.

-The RS is accusing someone else of attempting to destroy Bosnia? Do wonders never cease? A truly sick joke, indeed...- (Tulip)

Tell me about it. what a load of propa and gander. Please! "RS" and that horrible Dodik is almost single-handedly responsible for the "impossible" situation that bosnia finds itself in. granted,the dayton accords were pretty miserable. but it is ridiculous, in my opinion, to claim it was a conspiracy of america, the west, etc. BS! the whole policy of the west (s0-called) was disastrous in relation to bosnia -- they intervened in the worst ways, and in a meaningful manner way too late. i offer no excuse, it is unforgivable, and we knew about the genocide, the conc camps, we can't plead ignorance.

but right now it is dodik, he (and his clique) is enemy #1 of Bosnia and the Bosnian ppl. of course he is just a proxy of belgrade's, but nevertheless, he carries a tremendous responsibility. the high rep should have kicked out his arse long ago -- i don't give a damn how many "democratic" votes he receives (110%?) he should be in a courtroom, then prison, instead of in govt. give me a break!

currently (from what last i read) they are holding the country ransome until the other entity agrees to let them ("RS") grab the position for minister's post. oh, wouldn't that be a snappy idea!

why does this still feel like the (bad old) milosevic days?

roberto frisco

What ignorant Peoples there are !.
To the Signature Francois - I Quote -

."This State is a Fake Yugoslavian State, constructed by Nato and Islamists. "

What is wrong with that?
(Francois, 26 September 2011 19:31)

Read New Zeelanders Comment -

.The entities need to disappear and have a centralized government in Sarajevo which controls the country. There is no need for the amount of ministers that the country has. RS entity is trying to break away by promoting itself as the better entity, which in fact it is not. You cannot form a country which is built on suffering of others, and which is created by mass killings.
(John Smith, 26 September 2011 16:41)

The iron of that argument is If not for a Genocide in WW2, The Serbs would have had the overwhelming majority in 92 and Bosnia would never have been able to seceed in the first place.q
(New Zealander, 26 September 2011 20:39)

Comment -

The Croats and Muslims during the WW2.,
Made an Genocide on the Population of Civil Serbs,
in both Croatia and Bosnia,
and the Serbian innocent victims was more than a Million in both Croatia and Bosnia.

Now this signature Francois,
dont tink there is any wrongdong in building a Fake Yugoslavia,
with Muslim and Croat Mayority on this Genocide.

God bevere ! '

Arn Sweden.

No EU for Bosnia. The EU doesn't need another Belgium. LOL!

John Smith: That is a very vague description of a model to solve Bosnia's problems. Not having a centralized government is exactly what the whole world agreed upon (the only exception is the Bosnian muslims) so I'm interested to learn what you know that everyone else doesn't. The three constituent ethnicities is what gives the country it's right to exist, I mean what's the point without it? Neither of the three ethnicities can rightfully claim the entire territory (wouldn't it be great if it was that simple?) So how would a centralized government be fair to the entire population as opposed to just one of the 3 peoples?

What a shame that Bosnia could never become the Switzerland of the Balkans, where the concept of freedom and independence is stronger than the belonging to the nation states of the constituent peoples (Germany-France-Italy / Serbia-Croatia). Looking at the politicians of these states - Milosevic, Seselj, Tudjman etc., maybe the peoples of Bosnia would have been better off in their beautiful mountain kingdom, left alone by these cynical power-players.

"The iron of that argument is If not for a Genocide in WW2, The Serbs would have had the overwhelming majority in 92 and Bosnia would never have been able to seceed in the first place."

This is pure speculation.

Can't we brother slavs all live together in peace in one country together called Yugo-slav... I mean Bosnia? Why do we need separate countries for Croats, Muslims, and Serbs?

Arn Sweden's so wrong wrong. It is not Muslims' fault if Serbs prefer not to get enough children.

why does this still feel like the (bad old) milosevic days?

roberto frisco
(roberto, 27 September 2011 06:27)

I'll tell you why.
Because the muslim politicians in Sarajevo haven't learnt a thing the last 20 years, thats why.
They still think that they can rule over Serbs and Croats just because they WERE the largest group in Bosnia before the war.

Well, the world and everyone exept you and the muslims think otherwise, thank god

Tulip wrote:

"This is the same government (...), whose officials refuse to fly the flag or acknowledge the state which they represent and are a part of."

This is also what puzzles me. Dayton indeed established the RS as an entity within the State of BiH, the RS consequently derives all its legitimacy in terms of international law by the State of BiH being recognized by the UN. Hence, refusing to display the internationally recognised symbols of the very state (BiH) from which the very legitimacy of the entity of the RS depends and derives from, ultimately amounts to constitutional self-denial. No?

How can one possibly argue for the Dayton agreement to be observed by the letter without observing them all oneself?

What is this - I quote -

Arn Sweden's so wrong wrong. It is not Muslims' fault if Serbs prefer not to get enough children.
(Francois, 27 September 2011 17:49)

Comment -

How many more Serbs would there have been,
in bouth Croatia and Bosnia,
if the Murdered Serbian Civialians would not have been Murdered ?

In Croatia 1932 alone,
there where 1.500.000. Serbs in a Population of 4.500.000.,
One Third that is.
When the civil War breaked out in the 90ties,
there was only some 600.000 serbs living in Croatia.
in an Popualtion still only 4.500.000.
Those 600.000. Serbs could not have been more than 400.000 in 1945.
One can imagine how many they would have been if not Murdered.

The case of Bosnia is similar but,
i have had the exact Numbers and dont remember exactly,
so I refrain from coment on Bosnia,
but if my memory is correct,
the Serbs where in Mayority in Bosnia back then.


Arn.Sweden.

"Can't we brother slavs all live together in peace in one country together called Yugo-slav... I mean Bosnia? Why do we need separate countries for Croats, Muslims, and Serbs?
(Stevo B, 27 September 2011 10:27)"

Because they all speak different languages officially. Bosnian, Croatian & Serbian, or BCS as Brussels calls it, though funnily enough if I say something about somebody's mother (you know what I mean) in one of those languages, the other two will magically understand.

Roberto,

You get pleasure from being a part of the problem, instead of being a part of the solution, don't you?

Arn. Sweden's calculations are unfortunately somewhat adventurous. In contrast to what he's saying, the overall number of Serb victims in the Ustasha genocide's usually estimated between 220,000-400,000 by independent researchers. I know Serb historians tend to use far higher figures while Croatian historians tend to use far lower figures, but these are scientifically unsound.

Anyway, one surely has to add a large number of Serbs who were either expelled or forced to convert to catholicism. Without any doubt, the crimes against Serbs in WW2 must not be downplayed. They also had an influence on the democraphics of former Yugoslavia.

Nevertheless, Arn Sweden's calculations ignore a number of statistically important facts:

- A large number inhabitants of Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina immigrated during the times of Socialist Yugoslavia.

- Statistically, Muslim families have more children than Serbs or Croats.

- Without the crimes of WW2, the course of history would have been completly different. It is therefore scientifically unsound to say what would have happened *if* something had not happened 50 years ago.

Apart from this, one should also consider that an independent Bosnia-Hercegovina's intended as a democratic, multiethnic state consisting of Serbs, Croats & Bosniaks. It neither implements displacement nor genocide of Serbs.

In modern Evrope genocid on Srbs continue for over 100 yr.
1-st war transformation to Islam was ended till 1912 after I-war 25% yong Serb is kill.
2-nd war take 1.5 mil.Serbs rest of them to be Croat Catolic today.
3-rd war for serb continue in 3 field,
In 1946 Serb prisoner from Germany was kill i Kocevje ( 60.000).
Nobady is punish for that.
In mid 50s it's not secret to Sink entire Serbia with Dunav river in Djerdap.
a) Economic 2-nd Yugoslavija devide all Serb land and people such way to be like today powerless.
All Serbian industry was moved to the west of the former Yuga.
just one example:Truck factory from Rakovica was totaly removed to Slovenia - TAM city Maribor.
b). politic 12.5m Serbs in Yugo from 20 mil. don't have any rights nothing like today.
c). Europe hit capitol city Belgrade with heavy bomb and depleted Uranium for near 3 mo. soft radiation balony for next 1000yr.
Also 150 top Serbs finish in Hag and earn near 1000 yr in prison.
Proff betwen east west how Serb live today:

Croatia
Ctaolic Serb don't exist hm......pst be quiet. go with BG registration must be crazy.
Bosnia
75 % of land title is in Serbs hand of 33% people population.
former serb today Muslim don't liked Serbs do to invasion of muhadzedins and PIG population.
Kosovo
is heart of Serb land, Church and Monastery from 12 century is there (Pec, Gracanica)
forgeret this they say that is History, com on we are in 21-st century - no History.
OK. No History but Serbian prisoner organ is sold on black market beter than mercedes parts.
III-rd war in Serbia is created from Muslim & Catolic goal to grub Serbian land with temporary suckess.