Six-point plan: Kosovo to remain unique customs zone

As everyone here is so quick to say the Ahtissari plan was never adopted by the UNSC, neither was the 6 point plan.
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However Resolution 1244 is still in effect; however, skirted and violated by the Quint and the Separatists.

Kosovo je Srbija - All of it!!

As everyone here is so quick to say the Ahtissari plan was never adopted by the UNSC, neither was the 6 point plan.
(a New Day, 22 September 2011, 17:01)

A New Day, you are incorrect the ONLY plan adopted by the UNSC was the 6 point plan. The Ahtissari Plan was DOA or Dead On Arrival.

As everyone here is so quick to say the Ahtissari plan was never adopted by the UNSC, neither was the 6 point plan.
(a New Day, 22 September 2011 17:01)

"The plan which was unanimously adopted at the UN Security Council session in 2008 contains six points that refer to the dialogue with Belgrade."

If the six point plan was not adopted, why is it going to be enforced?
Kosovo is Serbia.

As everyone here is so quick to say the Ahtissari plan was never adopted by the UNSC, neither was the 6 point plan.

Serbs dream to much. Six point plan is not valid to the Kosovo goverment. Ahtisaari plan is not valid to Serbia but it is not Serbia who is in control in Kosovo. Kosovo goverment is in control in Kosovo. The goverment of Kosovo has the mandate from the constitution of Kosovo wich is based on the ahtisaari plan to implement the rule of law and custom duty's in all territory of Kosovo. This is somthing it will do!!


Eulex and Kfor is not boss or leader of the goverment of Kosovo. ICO is there to implement the Ahtisaari plan. Eulex can be at the border 1 and 31 but Kosovo custom and police will also be there. Serbia cannot do anything about it and not either UN.

As for EU we all know that 22 out 27 members recognize Kosovo as independent.They cannot demand from Kosovo to give up it's borders or it's statehood.

Serbia playes an tit-tat game but it will come no where. Kosovo will never become a part of Serbia. That's for sure!

Agim Amd Demi. You both realy think that your great leader Thaci is a legitimate leader of a legitimate independent state. Second of all, Eulex and Kfor are the parties governing Kosovo and not Thaci or who ever else is in Pristina. Kosovo is a puppet state and has no chance of surviving as an independent state based on the curent political, industrial, and economical circumstances. European Union is on a verge of economical colapse, and will not be able to suport the state of Kosovo much longer. Too much arm twisting has been done in independence recognition process.Criminal activities can not alone suport your economy, and with exception of mother land Albania, all your neighbouring countries can't stand you. Oh well keep dreaming of greater future, however at the end dreams are all you will have.

It makes no difference who mans the border, since it is a custom zone, which means goods coming in Kosova have to pay custom duties. Get it?

However Resolution 1244 is still in effect; however, skirted and violated by the Quint and the Separatists.
(John, 22 September 2011 17:55)

Absolutely and Kosovo hopes it is so forever as a guarantee to their UDI which was in accordance with 1244.



Kosovo je Srbija - All of it!!
(John, 22 September 2011 17:55)

I disagree... I say Kosovo je Zimbabwe and Serbia je Tanzania ! Why ? Because I say so :)

icj1
Don't overlook that 1244 also allows Serb troops to control borders and at Serb cultural sites.
Tadic is too far up the arse of the EU to play that trump card.

The cutums were handed over by UNMIK to Kosova authorities years before the independece declaration. Thus only Kosovo custums can be sent there no internationals are needed in an independent country.

This is just a way to let things go same with only difference that international claim to start now obeying laws and stop cooperating with the crminals in the north as they were doing in the past with Galuci et al.

nathan......
You sound like a broken record, trying to demean us with your petty put downs. Its why you will be left behind with the baggage. Focus on the future and historic reconsiliation.
Regardless of the 6 point plan 1244 or what ever else anybody brings up. There is a border there is a government and all associated bodies that make a country only its slowly being realised as a tool by serbia to make the best choices to manuvour itself and position serbia for the future in the eu for the benefits of serbs of serbia

It makes no difference who mans the border, since it is a custom zone, which means goods coming in Kosova have to pay custom duties. Get it?
(Agim Kelmendi, 22 September 2011 17:34)

Actually you are wrong... Goods cannot pass at all from post 1 and 31 because the Serbs have closed them with the barricades. So they are going to pass from the other Kosovo border posts and will inspected there by the Kosovo Customs officials.

... hundreds, not thousands is 100-999, not 1-999. No matter though, at least you understand that under 1244 Serb troops "will" be back to perform the following functions:

-Liaison with the international civil mission and the international security presence;
-Marking/clearing minefields;
-Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
-Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.

Unless 1244 is superceded by another UN Resolution, it's only a matter of time before Serbian troops return. Serbs waited 500 years to return, and may have to wait another 500, but it is somewhat comforting to know that they "will" (not may, but "will") be back.

Will is a word of certainty, while the word "may" is one of speculation and uncertainty.

So, rather than waste time debating that, as the document speaks for itself, why not everyone focus all efforts on making the lives of those who live in Kosovo better? How will bringing the Serbs north of Ibar under Pristina's thumb (by force), help the out-of-work Albanians south of the Ibar? Employing another 4 Albanian individuals to work at the customs points 1 and 31???


And, by the way, the Serbia's Albanians in Kosovo have been given more autonomy than any other minority in the world, so why is Pristin's interim government so concerned with the Serbs north of Mitrovica?

"The plan which was unanimously adopted at the UN Security Council session in 2008 contains six points that refer to the dialogue with Belgrade."
(Yes it was., 22 September 2011 20:46)
Foolish thoughts, go and look up the session. The 6 point plan is part of the REPORT on Kosovo by Ban Ki Moon, to the UNSC. It was never voted on nor up for vote. In the discussion it was mentioned by a few members and denounced by others. No action was taken. Eulex from day one said they had no intention of implementing the plan and no action was ever taken on it other than by Serbian politicians.

Don't overlook that 1244 also allows Serb troops to control borders and at Serb cultural sites.
Tadic is too far up the arse of the EU to play that trump card.
(mms, 23 September 2011 00:46)
Your trump card is like throwing a 3 on an Ace! No where does it say Serb troops can control anything. It does say an "agreed number" may maintain a presence!

First Serbia must submit a REQUEST to Kfor, then Kfor must AGREE to a number maybe as few as 1 but less than 1000 may enter. Then they must act under the discretion and direction of the international force.
You want to become the joke of the day go ahead and sit down at the card table and play your TRUMP.

icj1
Don't overlook that 1244 also allows Serb troops to control borders and at Serb cultural sites.
Tadic is too far up the arse of the EU to play that trump card.
(mms, 23 September 2011 00:46)

You are absolutely correct. According to 1244 an "agreed number" of Serb forces can return. Unfortunately, no number has been agreed yet. Let us know if and when that happens :)

... hundreds, not thousands is 100-999, not 1-999. No matter though, at least you understand that under 1244 Serb troops "will" be back to perform the following functions:

-Liaison with the international civil mission and the international security presence;
-Marking/clearing minefields;
-Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
-Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.

Unless 1244 is superceded by another UN Resolution, it's only a matter of time before Serbian troops return. Serbs waited 500 years to return, and may have to wait another 500, but it is somewhat comforting to know that they "will" (not may, but "will") be back.

Will is a word of certainty, while the word "may" is one of speculation and uncertainty.

So, rather than waste time debating that, as the document speaks for itself, why not everyone focus all efforts on making the lives of those who live in Kosovo better?
(mms, 23 September 2011 21:05)

mms, I agree with everything you said... the only thing that is missing is that the 1244 says “agreed number”. If and when the number is agreed, Serb forces can of course return to Kosovo and do all things that you listed above.



How will bringing the Serbs north of Ibar under Pristina's thumb (by force), help the out-of-work Albanians south of the Ibar? Employing another 4 Albanian individuals to work at the customs points 1 and 31???
(mms, 23 September 2011 21:05)

It will not help Albanians at all. In any case North of Kosovo is still part of Kosovo because the majority of the North of Kosovo inhabitants have not declared independence. If they do, I’d fully support them. But for now they want to be part of Kosovo.



And, by the way, the Serbia's Albanians in Kosovo have been given more autonomy than any other minority in the world, so why is Pristin's interim government so concerned with the Serbs north of Mitrovica?
(mms, 23 September 2011 21:05)

Because for Kosovo’s government they are Kosovo citizens, at least until they declare independence from Kosovo. Kosovo’s Government is not like Serbia’s government that claimed day and night that Kosovo is Serbia, but when Serbia’s Constitution was voted in 2006, they did not consider the Kosovo’s inhabitants as Serbia’s citizens and did not include them in the voters list.

As everyone here is so quick to say the Ahtissari plan was never adopted by the UNSC, neither was the 6 point plan.

Serbs dream to much. Six point plan is not valid to the Kosovo goverment. Ahtisaari plan is not valid to Serbia but it is not Serbia who is in control in Kosovo. Kosovo goverment is in control in Kosovo. The goverment of Kosovo has the mandate from the constitution of Kosovo wich is based on the ahtisaari plan to implement the rule of law and custom duty's in all territory of Kosovo. This is somthing it will do!!


Eulex and Kfor is not boss or leader of the goverment of Kosovo. ICO is there to implement the Ahtisaari plan. Eulex can be at the border 1 and 31 but Kosovo custom and police will also be there. Serbia cannot do anything about it and not either UN.

As for EU we all know that 22 out 27 members recognize Kosovo as independent.They cannot demand from Kosovo to give up it's borders or it's statehood.

Serbia playes an tit-tat game but it will come no where. Kosovo will never become a part of Serbia. That's for sure!

It makes no difference who mans the border, since it is a custom zone, which means goods coming in Kosova have to pay custom duties. Get it?

However Resolution 1244 is still in effect; however, skirted and violated by the Quint and the Separatists.
(John, 22 September 2011 17:55)

Absolutely and Kosovo hopes it is so forever as a guarantee to their UDI which was in accordance with 1244.



Kosovo je Srbija - All of it!!
(John, 22 September 2011 17:55)

I disagree... I say Kosovo je Zimbabwe and Serbia je Tanzania ! Why ? Because I say so :)

The cutums were handed over by UNMIK to Kosova authorities years before the independece declaration. Thus only Kosovo custums can be sent there no internationals are needed in an independent country.

This is just a way to let things go same with only difference that international claim to start now obeying laws and stop cooperating with the crminals in the north as they were doing in the past with Galuci et al.

It makes no difference who mans the border, since it is a custom zone, which means goods coming in Kosova have to pay custom duties. Get it?
(Agim Kelmendi, 22 September 2011 17:34)

Actually you are wrong... Goods cannot pass at all from post 1 and 31 because the Serbs have closed them with the barricades. So they are going to pass from the other Kosovo border posts and will inspected there by the Kosovo Customs officials.

As everyone here is so quick to say the Ahtissari plan was never adopted by the UNSC, neither was the 6 point plan.
-------

However Resolution 1244 is still in effect; however, skirted and violated by the Quint and the Separatists.

Kosovo je Srbija - All of it!!

If the six point plan was not adopted, why is it going to be enforced?
Kosovo is Serbia.

Agim Amd Demi. You both realy think that your great leader Thaci is a legitimate leader of a legitimate independent state. Second of all, Eulex and Kfor are the parties governing Kosovo and not Thaci or who ever else is in Pristina. Kosovo is a puppet state and has no chance of surviving as an independent state based on the curent political, industrial, and economical circumstances. European Union is on a verge of economical colapse, and will not be able to suport the state of Kosovo much longer. Too much arm twisting has been done in independence recognition process.Criminal activities can not alone suport your economy, and with exception of mother land Albania, all your neighbouring countries can't stand you. Oh well keep dreaming of greater future, however at the end dreams are all you will have.

"The plan which was unanimously adopted at the UN Security Council session in 2008 contains six points that refer to the dialogue with Belgrade."
(Yes it was., 22 September 2011 20:46)
Foolish thoughts, go and look up the session. The 6 point plan is part of the REPORT on Kosovo by Ban Ki Moon, to the UNSC. It was never voted on nor up for vote. In the discussion it was mentioned by a few members and denounced by others. No action was taken. Eulex from day one said they had no intention of implementing the plan and no action was ever taken on it other than by Serbian politicians.

icj1
Don't overlook that 1244 also allows Serb troops to control borders and at Serb cultural sites.
Tadic is too far up the arse of the EU to play that trump card.
(mms, 23 September 2011 00:46)

You are absolutely correct. According to 1244 an "agreed number" of Serb forces can return. Unfortunately, no number has been agreed yet. Let us know if and when that happens :)

As everyone here is so quick to say the Ahtissari plan was never adopted by the UNSC, neither was the 6 point plan.
(a New Day, 22 September 2011, 17:01)

A New Day, you are incorrect the ONLY plan adopted by the UNSC was the 6 point plan. The Ahtissari Plan was DOA or Dead On Arrival.

As everyone here is so quick to say the Ahtissari plan was never adopted by the UNSC, neither was the 6 point plan.
(a New Day, 22 September 2011 17:01)

"The plan which was unanimously adopted at the UN Security Council session in 2008 contains six points that refer to the dialogue with Belgrade."

icj1
Don't overlook that 1244 also allows Serb troops to control borders and at Serb cultural sites.
Tadic is too far up the arse of the EU to play that trump card.

Don't overlook that 1244 also allows Serb troops to control borders and at Serb cultural sites.
Tadic is too far up the arse of the EU to play that trump card.
(mms, 23 September 2011 00:46)
Your trump card is like throwing a 3 on an Ace! No where does it say Serb troops can control anything. It does say an "agreed number" may maintain a presence!

First Serbia must submit a REQUEST to Kfor, then Kfor must AGREE to a number maybe as few as 1 but less than 1000 may enter. Then they must act under the discretion and direction of the international force.
You want to become the joke of the day go ahead and sit down at the card table and play your TRUMP.

nathan......
You sound like a broken record, trying to demean us with your petty put downs. Its why you will be left behind with the baggage. Focus on the future and historic reconsiliation.
Regardless of the 6 point plan 1244 or what ever else anybody brings up. There is a border there is a government and all associated bodies that make a country only its slowly being realised as a tool by serbia to make the best choices to manuvour itself and position serbia for the future in the eu for the benefits of serbs of serbia

... hundreds, not thousands is 100-999, not 1-999. No matter though, at least you understand that under 1244 Serb troops "will" be back to perform the following functions:

-Liaison with the international civil mission and the international security presence;
-Marking/clearing minefields;
-Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
-Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.

Unless 1244 is superceded by another UN Resolution, it's only a matter of time before Serbian troops return. Serbs waited 500 years to return, and may have to wait another 500, but it is somewhat comforting to know that they "will" (not may, but "will") be back.

Will is a word of certainty, while the word "may" is one of speculation and uncertainty.

So, rather than waste time debating that, as the document speaks for itself, why not everyone focus all efforts on making the lives of those who live in Kosovo better? How will bringing the Serbs north of Ibar under Pristina's thumb (by force), help the out-of-work Albanians south of the Ibar? Employing another 4 Albanian individuals to work at the customs points 1 and 31???


And, by the way, the Serbia's Albanians in Kosovo have been given more autonomy than any other minority in the world, so why is Pristin's interim government so concerned with the Serbs north of Mitrovica?

... hundreds, not thousands is 100-999, not 1-999. No matter though, at least you understand that under 1244 Serb troops "will" be back to perform the following functions:

-Liaison with the international civil mission and the international security presence;
-Marking/clearing minefields;
-Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
-Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.

Unless 1244 is superceded by another UN Resolution, it's only a matter of time before Serbian troops return. Serbs waited 500 years to return, and may have to wait another 500, but it is somewhat comforting to know that they "will" (not may, but "will") be back.

Will is a word of certainty, while the word "may" is one of speculation and uncertainty.

So, rather than waste time debating that, as the document speaks for itself, why not everyone focus all efforts on making the lives of those who live in Kosovo better?
(mms, 23 September 2011 21:05)

mms, I agree with everything you said... the only thing that is missing is that the 1244 says “agreed number”. If and when the number is agreed, Serb forces can of course return to Kosovo and do all things that you listed above.



How will bringing the Serbs north of Ibar under Pristina's thumb (by force), help the out-of-work Albanians south of the Ibar? Employing another 4 Albanian individuals to work at the customs points 1 and 31???
(mms, 23 September 2011 21:05)

It will not help Albanians at all. In any case North of Kosovo is still part of Kosovo because the majority of the North of Kosovo inhabitants have not declared independence. If they do, I’d fully support them. But for now they want to be part of Kosovo.



And, by the way, the Serbia's Albanians in Kosovo have been given more autonomy than any other minority in the world, so why is Pristin's interim government so concerned with the Serbs north of Mitrovica?
(mms, 23 September 2011 21:05)

Because for Kosovo’s government they are Kosovo citizens, at least until they declare independence from Kosovo. Kosovo’s Government is not like Serbia’s government that claimed day and night that Kosovo is Serbia, but when Serbia’s Constitution was voted in 2006, they did not consider the Kosovo’s inhabitants as Serbia’s citizens and did not include them in the voters list.