Republic of Srpska (RS) President Milorad Dodik has stated that Kosovo is being snatched by large powers and that it is obvious Serbia can no longer stop it.
Dodik is wrong. There is a also a third way: Keeping the conflict simmering until there is an opportune moment when Germans and Americans get busy somewhere else.
Pointing out that Serbia should never recognize Kosovo, Dodik said that the Serbs in Kosovo should be given a clear message, which means that the state should allocate considerable funds for the Serb community in Kosovo and provide free land across Serbia for all those who want to leave Kosovo.
So what you are saying is that transports from Germany, Sweden, the UK, France and so on, will not go through Serbia in the furture but all around the European continent by sea, through the mediteranian to Albania, and then it will be transported through Albania into Kosovo? Yeah, that sounds a lot less complicated then sending it by truck through Serbia. Yes, I'm aware of the higway but that would be for goods coming from more distant parts of the world and for toursim.
partly correct.. but remember nearly 1/5 of the EU doesnt recognize kosovo..not to mention other very large and important countries througout the world who dont either. this no closer to a close then it was 6 months or 6 years ago its a frozen conflict and will remain so until an agreement is found. lets not blow these minor symbolic gestures into anything more then petty tit for tat antics!
also serbia or russia or china or someone should insist on every human rights organization in the world to have open doors in north kosovo to monitor how well the EU is providing for the serbs of kosovo within european standards as the benchmark. then a UN review every 6 months. hey you broke it now you gotta buy it !!
Why is the Serbian hero calling it quits? First he gives up on all his referrenda and now he's giving up on Kosovo. I'm starting to think that our Serbian hero is a quitter.
(Cherokee, 16 September 2011 19:24)
Why not Native Americans? Because 'Native Americans' is a term invented by the unrighful owners of 'America'. The whole continent of America was named after Americo Vespucio. The original people of the continent were the Mayas, the Incas, the Cherokee, the Mohakans, etc, etc.
You are right, these peoples are not make believe people.
The USA is a make believe country though. An artifial country founded on genocide and slavery. Unfortunately the effects the USA is having on the world in terms of starting wars and plundering and pillaging country's richess is all too real.
"Let them fly in all thier neccessities or take it through Albania, over the mountains and in to Kosovo.
.
(Hank the Tank, 16 September 2011 18:53) "
"Over the mountains"?? Did you miss the bit about the new highway in Albania and the tunnel through the mountains? Kosovo is building its part of the road as we speak. Soon you'll be able to go from Pan-European Corridor X (whenever that gets done) through the customs point at Merdare direct to the port at Durres. The Nation's Highway wasn't built solely for the convenience of tourists, you know. This is Kosovo's connection to the world. Or the Mediterranean, anyway, but that's a good start.
“That is currently the only solution. In this way, those people will have a choice. The Albanians should not be given a chance to talk about a multiethnic society,” the RS president stressed.
How can the U.S. be such a stronger backer of the Albanian population when they are well connected to extremist groups killing U.S. soldiers???
(NYC, 16 September 2011 18:09)
I am not sure, just find Kosova Republic on the Barack Obama 2012 election campaign map. One will need special glasses.
I think, probably a typo - but as soon as Hillary-Billy is gone from the politics, things will probably change a bit.
Barack made a huge mistake allowing such people dictate the politics. Her election campaign was in particular very dirty against Barack - she should be sued for all the crap she said.
In that case you should leave the USA and that country should be given back to its rightful owners, the 'native-americans'.
(Joe A, 16 September 2011 12:02)
...and then Native Americans should give it to Dinosaurs...
By the way, Joe, why 'native-americans' but not Native Americans? They are not a make-believe peoples.
So how long before Dodik advocates that Serbia should give land to all Bosnian Serbs that want to leave Bosnia and Herzegovina? Who is he to talk as if he is the president of Serbia and not a leader of a part of a neighboring state? Perhaps Dodik has larger ambitions as the Serbian elections are quickly approaching.
Perhaps Dodik is right. However, serbs can and should make it a living hell for the albanians and the international community. Sometimes we serbs are so incredibly stupid. Why do we allow transports to go through Serbia and into K-albanian dominated areas in Kosovo? While they are preventing transports from Serbia to go to serb areeas. Block the bordercrossings all around Kosovo. Prevent Presevo albanains from entering and leaving Kosovo at will. Let them fly in all thier neccessities or take it through Albania, over the mountains and in to Kosovo. It will cost a lot more money then it does now. Should albanians expell the remaining serbs from Kosovo the build a freakin wall around it and thow away the key. And finaly, never ever recognize Kosovo.
“However, Serbia cannot reclaim and reintegrate Kosovo, that is an illusion. Kosovo has been snatched by the powerful and the arrogant, and that is it,” Dodik concluded. It must be part of the same illusion of a "Srpska" aka Greater Serbia that never had a precedent in the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina. That the powerful and the arrogant saved the Serb murderous illusion for now without thinking it through when it was rapidly on its way out permanently. Keep opening yore big Serb minority mouth in the country of Bosnia Dodo. The powerful and the arrogant will say who is that ungrateful squeaking then they will have a very quick change of mind.
"To their rightful owners," LOL HA HA ha..Buddy, Kosovo was never Albanian. Just look at the historical facts. Kosovo is/was Serbian land. If anything it never belonged to Albanians, maybe held for some time by the Turks, but that's it. Albanians people were brought in and placed there during Ottoman invasion of Serbia. For now.....
Serbia is acting like an abusive parent whose child has been taken into care by the social services.
"But our child misbehaved, so I had to beat it black and blue!" says Serbia, "But if you let it come back to my family I promise I will beat it no more."
However, the child is now an adult, can take care of itself, and does not want to rejoin the family.
"Albanian terrorists who today act like gods in our Southern province will be crushed in less than three days and they will disappear as if they never even set foot on that holy Serbian soil!
(CG,"
Is this a cry for another genocide? It sounds like it.
Snatch organs,snatch land,beat and steal-it will take at least century to bring these people into a normal society...In a mean time normal people should stay away from a cancer of EU"
With all due to respect,I don`t agree with Dodik!
See,the problem of Serbian politicians is that they are good tacticians for the short run but simply don`t have the brainpower to think strategically and to forsee what this region will look like in 20-30 years!
The West will leave this place like the Ottomans,Nazis,Austrians etc. left,their power will be overtaken by China and Russia whose soft and hard power will increase dramatically in the region.
Once this happens,Albanian terrorists who today act like gods in our Southern province will be crushed in less than three days and they will disappear as if they never even set foot on that holy Serbian soil!
For this to happen we need to have determination,build up our economy and military and wait for the right moment which no doubt will come!
Dont believe this defetist done deal crap,there is no such thing in history!
what a brilliant idea!!! start another war, because we haven't had enough of those in Balkans!!! it is this mentality that keeps that part of Europe forever in poverty, be it economic or academic.
It is painful and it is a shame - however,Dodik is right. Harassment and intimidation of Kosovo Serbs (and other none-Albanian communities)began immediately after KFOR´s arrival and has continued since. Yesterday for example as reported by B92:
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=16&nav_id=76420
The masterminds of terror in Pristina will continue orchestrating their ethnic cleansing campaign under the watchful eyes of KFOR and EULEX til the bitter end. Once they have accomplished their goals in Kosovo, they will spark conflicts in the neighbouring countries. Only then Brussels will become aware what the EC majority had supported: war mongers.
The Serbs are finally realising that Kosovo is slowly slipping from them. The Serbian government will eventually lose interest in Kosovo just like they did in Krajina and the Serbs who live there will be left to fend for themselves.
Kosovo is not being snatched. If Serbia officials had been more imaginative and humane, this situation would never have arisen. It was Belgrade that lost Kosovo, just like it was Serbian politicians that broke up Yugoslavia. Co-existence would have been possible had the Serbs not looked at their Albanian counterparts as nothing more than goat herders and morons. NATO only intervened in 1999. prior to that, the Western powers always stressed that Kosovo is part of Serbia. I'm sorry Mr Dodik, but this all the Serbian officials doing, not NATO's
Does that mean a cucumber that grows in Kosovo, was a serbian one and will be an Albanian cucumer now, since it will grow on a "different" soil although it is the same soil? And most important, how do I know I'm eating patriotic cucumbers?
He of course has his own agenda. What he is saying here is that Serbia should assist internationally imposed ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo. He is right in saying that Kosovo is being snatched away by the international community.
Kosovo is not being snatched. If Serbia officials had been more imaginative and humane, this situation would never have arisen. It was Belgrade that lost Kosovo, just like it was Serbian politicians that broke up Yugoslavia. Co-existence would have been possible had the Serbs not looked at their Albanian counterparts as nothing more than goat herders and morons. NATO only intervened in 1999. prior to that, the Western powers always stressed that Kosovo is part of Serbia. I'm sorry Mr Dodik, but this all the Serbian officials doing, not NATO's
With all due to respect,I don`t agree with Dodik!
See,the problem of Serbian politicians is that they are good tacticians for the short run but simply don`t have the brainpower to think strategically and to forsee what this region will look like in 20-30 years!
The West will leave this place like the Ottomans,Nazis,Austrians etc. left,their power will be overtaken by China and Russia whose soft and hard power will increase dramatically in the region.
Once this happens,Albanian terrorists who today act like gods in our Southern province will be crushed in less than three days and they will disappear as if they never even set foot on that holy Serbian soil!
For this to happen we need to have determination,build up our economy and military and wait for the right moment which no doubt will come!
Dont believe this defetist done deal crap,there is no such thing in history!
The Serbs are finally realising that Kosovo is slowly slipping from them. The Serbian government will eventually lose interest in Kosovo just like they did in Krajina and the Serbs who live there will be left to fend for themselves.
"Albanian terrorists who today act like gods in our Southern province will be crushed in less than three days and they will disappear as if they never even set foot on that holy Serbian soil!
(CG,"
Is this a cry for another genocide? It sounds like it.
Snatch organs,snatch land,beat and steal-it will take at least century to bring these people into a normal society...In a mean time normal people should stay away from a cancer of EU"
what a brilliant idea!!! start another war, because we haven't had enough of those in Balkans!!! it is this mentality that keeps that part of Europe forever in poverty, be it economic or academic.
He of course has his own agenda. What he is saying here is that Serbia should assist internationally imposed ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo. He is right in saying that Kosovo is being snatched away by the international community.
Serbia is acting like an abusive parent whose child has been taken into care by the social services.
"But our child misbehaved, so I had to beat it black and blue!" says Serbia, "But if you let it come back to my family I promise I will beat it no more."
However, the child is now an adult, can take care of itself, and does not want to rejoin the family.
Perhaps Dodik is right. However, serbs can and should make it a living hell for the albanians and the international community. Sometimes we serbs are so incredibly stupid. Why do we allow transports to go through Serbia and into K-albanian dominated areas in Kosovo? While they are preventing transports from Serbia to go to serb areeas. Block the bordercrossings all around Kosovo. Prevent Presevo albanains from entering and leaving Kosovo at will. Let them fly in all thier neccessities or take it through Albania, over the mountains and in to Kosovo. It will cost a lot more money then it does now. Should albanians expell the remaining serbs from Kosovo the build a freakin wall around it and thow away the key. And finaly, never ever recognize Kosovo.
It is painful and it is a shame - however,Dodik is right. Harassment and intimidation of Kosovo Serbs (and other none-Albanian communities)began immediately after KFOR´s arrival and has continued since. Yesterday for example as reported by B92:
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=16&nav_id=76420
The masterminds of terror in Pristina will continue orchestrating their ethnic cleansing campaign under the watchful eyes of KFOR and EULEX til the bitter end. Once they have accomplished their goals in Kosovo, they will spark conflicts in the neighbouring countries. Only then Brussels will become aware what the EC majority had supported: war mongers.
Does that mean a cucumber that grows in Kosovo, was a serbian one and will be an Albanian cucumer now, since it will grow on a "different" soil although it is the same soil? And most important, how do I know I'm eating patriotic cucumbers?
"To their rightful owners," LOL HA HA ha..Buddy, Kosovo was never Albanian. Just look at the historical facts. Kosovo is/was Serbian land. If anything it never belonged to Albanians, maybe held for some time by the Turks, but that's it. Albanians people were brought in and placed there during Ottoman invasion of Serbia. For now.....
“However, Serbia cannot reclaim and reintegrate Kosovo, that is an illusion. Kosovo has been snatched by the powerful and the arrogant, and that is it,” Dodik concluded. It must be part of the same illusion of a "Srpska" aka Greater Serbia that never had a precedent in the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina. That the powerful and the arrogant saved the Serb murderous illusion for now without thinking it through when it was rapidly on its way out permanently. Keep opening yore big Serb minority mouth in the country of Bosnia Dodo. The powerful and the arrogant will say who is that ungrateful squeaking then they will have a very quick change of mind.
So how long before Dodik advocates that Serbia should give land to all Bosnian Serbs that want to leave Bosnia and Herzegovina? Who is he to talk as if he is the president of Serbia and not a leader of a part of a neighboring state? Perhaps Dodik has larger ambitions as the Serbian elections are quickly approaching.
(Cherokee, 16 September 2011 19:24)
Why not Native Americans? Because 'Native Americans' is a term invented by the unrighful owners of 'America'. The whole continent of America was named after Americo Vespucio. The original people of the continent were the Mayas, the Incas, the Cherokee, the Mohakans, etc, etc.
You are right, these peoples are not make believe people.
The USA is a make believe country though. An artifial country founded on genocide and slavery. Unfortunately the effects the USA is having on the world in terms of starting wars and plundering and pillaging country's richess is all too real.
How can the U.S. be such a stronger backer of the Albanian population when they are well connected to extremist groups killing U.S. soldiers???
(NYC, 16 September 2011 18:09)
I am not sure, just find Kosova Republic on the Barack Obama 2012 election campaign map. One will need special glasses.
I think, probably a typo - but as soon as Hillary-Billy is gone from the politics, things will probably change a bit.
Barack made a huge mistake allowing such people dictate the politics. Her election campaign was in particular very dirty against Barack - she should be sued for all the crap she said.
“That is currently the only solution. In this way, those people will have a choice. The Albanians should not be given a chance to talk about a multiethnic society,” the RS president stressed.
Dodik is wrong. There is a also a third way: Keeping the conflict simmering until there is an opportune moment when Germans and Americans get busy somewhere else.
In that case you should leave the USA and that country should be given back to its rightful owners, the 'native-americans'.
(Joe A, 16 September 2011 12:02)
...and then Native Americans should give it to Dinosaurs...
By the way, Joe, why 'native-americans' but not Native Americans? They are not a make-believe peoples.
So what you are saying is that transports from Germany, Sweden, the UK, France and so on, will not go through Serbia in the furture but all around the European continent by sea, through the mediteranian to Albania, and then it will be transported through Albania into Kosovo? Yeah, that sounds a lot less complicated then sending it by truck through Serbia. Yes, I'm aware of the higway but that would be for goods coming from more distant parts of the world and for toursim.
"Let them fly in all thier neccessities or take it through Albania, over the mountains and in to Kosovo.
.
(Hank the Tank, 16 September 2011 18:53) "
"Over the mountains"?? Did you miss the bit about the new highway in Albania and the tunnel through the mountains? Kosovo is building its part of the road as we speak. Soon you'll be able to go from Pan-European Corridor X (whenever that gets done) through the customs point at Merdare direct to the port at Durres. The Nation's Highway wasn't built solely for the convenience of tourists, you know. This is Kosovo's connection to the world. Or the Mediterranean, anyway, but that's a good start.
Why is the Serbian hero calling it quits? First he gives up on all his referrenda and now he's giving up on Kosovo. I'm starting to think that our Serbian hero is a quitter.
Pointing out that Serbia should never recognize Kosovo, Dodik said that the Serbs in Kosovo should be given a clear message, which means that the state should allocate considerable funds for the Serb community in Kosovo and provide free land across Serbia for all those who want to leave Kosovo.
partly correct.. but remember nearly 1/5 of the EU doesnt recognize kosovo..not to mention other very large and important countries througout the world who dont either. this no closer to a close then it was 6 months or 6 years ago its a frozen conflict and will remain so until an agreement is found. lets not blow these minor symbolic gestures into anything more then petty tit for tat antics!
also serbia or russia or china or someone should insist on every human rights organization in the world to have open doors in north kosovo to monitor how well the EU is providing for the serbs of kosovo within european standards as the benchmark. then a UN review every 6 months. hey you broke it now you gotta buy it !!
Kosovo is not being snatched. If Serbia officials had been more imaginative and humane, this situation would never have arisen. It was Belgrade that lost Kosovo, just like it was Serbian politicians that broke up Yugoslavia. Co-existence would have been possible had the Serbs not looked at their Albanian counterparts as nothing more than goat herders and morons. NATO only intervened in 1999. prior to that, the Western powers always stressed that Kosovo is part of Serbia. I'm sorry Mr Dodik, but this all the Serbian officials doing, not NATO's
With all due to respect,I don`t agree with Dodik!
See,the problem of Serbian politicians is that they are good tacticians for the short run but simply don`t have the brainpower to think strategically and to forsee what this region will look like in 20-30 years!
The West will leave this place like the Ottomans,Nazis,Austrians etc. left,their power will be overtaken by China and Russia whose soft and hard power will increase dramatically in the region.
Once this happens,Albanian terrorists who today act like gods in our Southern province will be crushed in less than three days and they will disappear as if they never even set foot on that holy Serbian soil!
For this to happen we need to have determination,build up our economy and military and wait for the right moment which no doubt will come!
Dont believe this defetist done deal crap,there is no such thing in history!
Snatch organs,snatch land,beat and steal-it will take at least century to bring these people into a normal society...In a mean time normal people should stay away from a cancer of EU"
"To their rightful owners," LOL HA HA ha..Buddy, Kosovo was never Albanian. Just look at the historical facts. Kosovo is/was Serbian land. If anything it never belonged to Albanians, maybe held for some time by the Turks, but that's it. Albanians people were brought in and placed there during Ottoman invasion of Serbia. For now.....
It is painful and it is a shame - however,Dodik is right. Harassment and intimidation of Kosovo Serbs (and other none-Albanian communities)began immediately after KFOR´s arrival and has continued since. Yesterday for example as reported by B92:
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=16&nav_id=76420
The masterminds of terror in Pristina will continue orchestrating their ethnic cleansing campaign under the watchful eyes of KFOR and EULEX til the bitter end. Once they have accomplished their goals in Kosovo, they will spark conflicts in the neighbouring countries. Only then Brussels will become aware what the EC majority had supported: war mongers.
Serbia is acting like an abusive parent whose child has been taken into care by the social services.
"But our child misbehaved, so I had to beat it black and blue!" says Serbia, "But if you let it come back to my family I promise I will beat it no more."
However, the child is now an adult, can take care of itself, and does not want to rejoin the family.
The Serbs are finally realising that Kosovo is slowly slipping from them. The Serbian government will eventually lose interest in Kosovo just like they did in Krajina and the Serbs who live there will be left to fend for themselves.
Does that mean a cucumber that grows in Kosovo, was a serbian one and will be an Albanian cucumer now, since it will grow on a "different" soil although it is the same soil? And most important, how do I know I'm eating patriotic cucumbers?
"Let them fly in all thier neccessities or take it through Albania, over the mountains and in to Kosovo.
.
(Hank the Tank, 16 September 2011 18:53) "
"Over the mountains"?? Did you miss the bit about the new highway in Albania and the tunnel through the mountains? Kosovo is building its part of the road as we speak. Soon you'll be able to go from Pan-European Corridor X (whenever that gets done) through the customs point at Merdare direct to the port at Durres. The Nation's Highway wasn't built solely for the convenience of tourists, you know. This is Kosovo's connection to the world. Or the Mediterranean, anyway, but that's a good start.
He of course has his own agenda. What he is saying here is that Serbia should assist internationally imposed ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Kosovo. He is right in saying that Kosovo is being snatched away by the international community.
what a brilliant idea!!! start another war, because we haven't had enough of those in Balkans!!! it is this mentality that keeps that part of Europe forever in poverty, be it economic or academic.
"Albanian terrorists who today act like gods in our Southern province will be crushed in less than three days and they will disappear as if they never even set foot on that holy Serbian soil!
(CG,"
Is this a cry for another genocide? It sounds like it.
“However, Serbia cannot reclaim and reintegrate Kosovo, that is an illusion. Kosovo has been snatched by the powerful and the arrogant, and that is it,” Dodik concluded. It must be part of the same illusion of a "Srpska" aka Greater Serbia that never had a precedent in the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina. That the powerful and the arrogant saved the Serb murderous illusion for now without thinking it through when it was rapidly on its way out permanently. Keep opening yore big Serb minority mouth in the country of Bosnia Dodo. The powerful and the arrogant will say who is that ungrateful squeaking then they will have a very quick change of mind.
How can the U.S. be such a stronger backer of the Albanian population when they are well connected to extremist groups killing U.S. soldiers???
(NYC, 16 September 2011 18:09)
I am not sure, just find Kosova Republic on the Barack Obama 2012 election campaign map. One will need special glasses.
I think, probably a typo - but as soon as Hillary-Billy is gone from the politics, things will probably change a bit.
Barack made a huge mistake allowing such people dictate the politics. Her election campaign was in particular very dirty against Barack - she should be sued for all the crap she said.
Perhaps Dodik is right. However, serbs can and should make it a living hell for the albanians and the international community. Sometimes we serbs are so incredibly stupid. Why do we allow transports to go through Serbia and into K-albanian dominated areas in Kosovo? While they are preventing transports from Serbia to go to serb areeas. Block the bordercrossings all around Kosovo. Prevent Presevo albanains from entering and leaving Kosovo at will. Let them fly in all thier neccessities or take it through Albania, over the mountains and in to Kosovo. It will cost a lot more money then it does now. Should albanians expell the remaining serbs from Kosovo the build a freakin wall around it and thow away the key. And finaly, never ever recognize Kosovo.
“That is currently the only solution. In this way, those people will have a choice. The Albanians should not be given a chance to talk about a multiethnic society,” the RS president stressed.
So how long before Dodik advocates that Serbia should give land to all Bosnian Serbs that want to leave Bosnia and Herzegovina? Who is he to talk as if he is the president of Serbia and not a leader of a part of a neighboring state? Perhaps Dodik has larger ambitions as the Serbian elections are quickly approaching.
Dodik is wrong. There is a also a third way: Keeping the conflict simmering until there is an opportune moment when Germans and Americans get busy somewhere else.
(Cherokee, 16 September 2011 19:24)
Why not Native Americans? Because 'Native Americans' is a term invented by the unrighful owners of 'America'. The whole continent of America was named after Americo Vespucio. The original people of the continent were the Mayas, the Incas, the Cherokee, the Mohakans, etc, etc.
You are right, these peoples are not make believe people.
The USA is a make believe country though. An artifial country founded on genocide and slavery. Unfortunately the effects the USA is having on the world in terms of starting wars and plundering and pillaging country's richess is all too real.
Why is the Serbian hero calling it quits? First he gives up on all his referrenda and now he's giving up on Kosovo. I'm starting to think that our Serbian hero is a quitter.
partly correct.. but remember nearly 1/5 of the EU doesnt recognize kosovo..not to mention other very large and important countries througout the world who dont either. this no closer to a close then it was 6 months or 6 years ago its a frozen conflict and will remain so until an agreement is found. lets not blow these minor symbolic gestures into anything more then petty tit for tat antics!
also serbia or russia or china or someone should insist on every human rights organization in the world to have open doors in north kosovo to monitor how well the EU is providing for the serbs of kosovo within european standards as the benchmark. then a UN review every 6 months. hey you broke it now you gotta buy it !!
So what you are saying is that transports from Germany, Sweden, the UK, France and so on, will not go through Serbia in the furture but all around the European continent by sea, through the mediteranian to Albania, and then it will be transported through Albania into Kosovo? Yeah, that sounds a lot less complicated then sending it by truck through Serbia. Yes, I'm aware of the higway but that would be for goods coming from more distant parts of the world and for toursim.
In that case you should leave the USA and that country should be given back to its rightful owners, the 'native-americans'.
(Joe A, 16 September 2011 12:02)
...and then Native Americans should give it to Dinosaurs...
By the way, Joe, why 'native-americans' but not Native Americans? They are not a make-believe peoples.
Pointing out that Serbia should never recognize Kosovo, Dodik said that the Serbs in Kosovo should be given a clear message, which means that the state should allocate considerable funds for the Serb community in Kosovo and provide free land across Serbia for all those who want to leave Kosovo.
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