Kosovo partition “not necessarily bad idea"

This still remains the most logical option. The case for partition was also made recently in the Harvard International Review:

http://hir.harvard.edu/kosovo-s-land-for-peace-solution?page=0,1

However, it seems as if the UK, US and now Germany remain resolutely opposed - for whatever reason.

"However, it seems as if the UK, US and now Germany remain resolutely opposed - for whatever reason."

ICJ

Well the UK, US and Germany are not the ones living in Kosovo. Albanians have stated that they don't want to live with Serbs so why should Serbs have to live with Albanians if they don't want to? The West don't want to partition Kosovo for their own selfish reasons and not because its the best solution currently.

"Brussels and Washington say that borders cannot be changed but they would come to terms with the idea if Priština and Belgrade reached an agreement,” he concluded."

Kosovo doesn't belong to Brussels and Washington, it belongs to Serbia and the citizens!

@ Stive B

Keep dreaming mate. Kosovo belongs to Kosovars.

perfect response o that racialist c***.

roberto frisco
(roberto, 16 September 2011 03:44)

Apologies, I have nothing to do with a c*** ever, not interested and that c*** is not my business.
Except that most people think, I am one.


Ciaociaociao, sweeties!
Robotberta
Fiasco

"Kosovo doesn't belong to Brussels and Washington, it belongs to Serbia and the citizens!
(Steve B., 15 September 2011 15:34)"

Wrong, Kosovo belongs to its law-abiding citizens!

Perhaps it is this mentality that brought Serbia where it is today with regard to Kosovo?

They always wanted the land (hint: natural resources), but not the people!

"“Screw Ahtisaari Plan, and join Albania”. That gives Kosovo a UN representation, a NATO membership and no blessing is needed by Serbia, or its commie allies at the UNSC."

Fluid

So what are you waiting for? It sounds to me like this is the best solution for the albanians. To bad for you but Kosovo is not run by albanians but by the international community. You can join Talialbania only if KFOR leaves. Should they leave guess who will come knocking on the door? You will be joining your brothers in Albania faster then you think.

@ MikeC
What happend to whole Kosovo is Serbia.

Mendo

Yes Mendo. If you read what I wrote I did say that partition was the best solution CURRENTLY :)

Keep dreaming mate. Kosovo belongs to Kosovars.
(Mendo, 15 September 2011 15:57)

That kind of intransigence will get you nowhere. You lot will be forced to go back to the table whether you like it or not. Your paymasters will demand it.

One scenario that me seem likely is a final agreement will involve partition with the rest of Kosovo 'Daytonised', additional clause inserted which states that Kosovo cannot join Albania in exchange for Belgrade recognition. Belgrade wins since it gets the North and holy sites, maintaining influence over Serb and Gorani autonomous enclaves in the South. Pristina wins since it is finally recognised by Belgrade and can now join the UN and other international bodies. All legal issues are resolved.

Watch this space.

Who would have though there were so many Erhard-s in the Balkans. There is a new one every day in the news.

Keep dreaming mate. Kosovo belongs to Kosovars.
(Mendo, 15 September 2011 15:57)
===========================

There is no such race of people. People living there are either Albanian or Serbian and in minority cases Roma.
If you feel that you are Kosovar then why do you speak Albanian and fly the Albanian flag?
Inventing a whole race is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that anyone actually thinks there is a race of people called Kosovars living in that region?

Kosovo partition “not necessarily bad idea"

Me thinks: Albania's partition is not necessarily a bad idea.

Niall O'Doherty, on 15 September 2011 wrote:

“One scenario that me seem likely is a final agreement will involve partition with the rest of Kosovo 'Daytonised', additional clause inserted which states that Kosovo cannot join Albania in exchange for Belgrade recognition. Belgrade wins since it gets the North and holy sites, maintaining influence over Serb and Gorani autonomous enclaves in the South. Pristina wins since it is finally recognised by Belgrade and can now join the UN and other international bodies. All legal issues are resolved.”

Interesting, as the above would be just what Serbia dreams of – which is to make sure that Kosovo fails as a state, just like Bosnia is currently failing due to Dayton.

Now that we are talking about "dreams", I was actually thinking more along the lines of a referendum, where the Kosovo residents say “Screw Ahtisaari Plan, and join Albania”. That gives Kosovo a UN representation, a NATO membership and no blessing is needed by Serbia, or its commie allies at the UNSC.

"So what are you waiting for? It sounds to me like this is the best solution for the albanians. To bad for you but Kosovo is not run by albanians but by the international community. You can join Talialbania only if KFOR leaves. Should they leave guess who will come knocking on the door? You will be joining your brothers in Albania faster then you think.
(MikeC, 15 September 2011 17:45)"

At the rate you are going, you will alienate everyone with your collective lack of common sense and excessive stubbornness. Serbia's stubbornness throughout the years, along with its unilateral moves is actually working mighty fine for us.

Let's start with hundreds of violated cease-fires in Croatia and Bosnia, at the time when Britain, France, Italy, and many other countries were actually Serbian allies. Then the refusal of the Z4 plan in Croatia.

Then comes Kosovo...

Initially, the Rambuillet Accord, a document that guaranteed Yugoslavia's territorial integrity was on Serbia's table, but Serbia refused to sign.

Later, in 1999 resolution 1244 authorized "the United Nations to facilitate a political process to determine Kosovo's future status. Kosovo's future status would take into consideration Rambouillet Agreement which Serbia refused to sign in 1998, and which call for the "will of the people of Kosovo" to be one of the guiding principles in defining Kosovo's status."

Again, Serbia refused to actively participate in the UN sponsored status dialogue process that took place in 2006/2007. Serbia even went as far as quickly adopting a constitution that pre-determines the status of Kosovo (without allowing the residents of Kosovo to participate in the Referendum), thus violating UNRes 1244. This was the final straw that triggered the declaration of Independence in 2008.

Eventually, Serbia's excessive stubbornness will irritate the "internationals" to a point where KFOR will actually facilitate the unification of Kosovo with Albania.

Keep it up, it is working really well for us down in Kosovo.

"If you feel that you are Kosovar then why do you speak Albanian and fly the Albanian flag?
Inventing a whole race is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that anyone actually thinks there is a race of people called Kosovars living in that region?"

It was the same analogy that was used during the Serb attempts to wipe Bosnia from the map. They were saying "there is no such thing as Bosnian/Bosniak - there's only Serbs and Muslims".

However, you are free to say whatever you like, but I am a proud Kosovar!

@ Neall

Another dreamer you are. Kosovo will remain as it is now, no change of Borders my friend.

@ MikeC

What happend to whole Kosovo is Serbia.

No border change ?
The albanians and NATO bombs have changed serbian borders.
What a hypocrites these europeans.
The north of kosovo for recognition is the best solution

Why are NATO, US, EU against Kosovo partition?

"Brussels and Washington say that borders cannot be changed but they would come to terms with the idea if Priština and Belgrade reached an agreement"

This makes no sense. If borders cannot be changed, then there would be no independent dream state of Kosovo (which only exists by changing the borders of Serbia). So there's no good reason why the borders of Kosovo cannot be changed. The EU and USA only have to admit that their (good) idea and illusion of creating a multi-ethnic Kosovo has miserably failed because neither Serbs nor Albanians in Kosovo want it.

"There is no such race of people. People living there are either Albanian or Serbian and in minority cases Roma.
...
Inventing a whole race is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that anyone actually thinks there is a race of people called Kosovars living in that region?"
(Peggy, 15 September 2011 23:01)

Oh, now the racists are coming up here. Funny. So.. are there US Americans? Are the Australians? Is there an US American race, an Australian race? Ever heard of the term 'citizenship'?

With all the mixture, the members of the 'Serbian race' are probably only a few 100,000 :)

"If you feel that you are Kosovar then why do you speak Albanian and fly the Albanian flag?
Inventing a whole race is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that anyone actually thinks there is a race of people called Kosovars living in that region?"

-It was the same analogy that was used during the Serb attempts to wipe Bosnia from the map. They were saying "there is no such thing as Bosnian/Bosniak - there's only Serbs and Muslims". However, you are free to say whatever you like, but I am a proud Kosovar!(Fluid, 15 September 2011 23:35)-

perfect response o that racialist c***.

roberto frisco

There is no such race of people. People living there are either Albanian or Serbian and in minority cases Roma.
If you feel that you are Kosovar then why do you speak Albanian and fly the Albanian flag?
Inventing a whole race is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that anyone actually thinks there is a race of people called Kosovars living in that region?
(Peggy, 15 September 2011 23:01)

Nobody has said that the Kosovars are a race. It'd be like saying Australians are a race. You're the one who has brought up race for some reason. 'Kosovar' is the Demonym for someone from Kosovo. Asking a Kosovar why they speak Albanian is a bit like asking an Australian why they speak English.

There is no such race of people. People living there are either Albanian or Serbian and in minority cases Roma.
...
Inventing a whole race is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that anyone actually thinks there is a race of people called Kosovars living in that region?"
(Peggy, 15 September 2011 23:01)
Sorry to disappoint you but Albanian, Serbian, Roma, are not races they are ethnic distinctions of the same race. In other words more alike than different.
As far as the term Kosovars, to the rest of the world Serbians were once recognized as Yugoslavians, it is only the local tribal mentality that separates these.
Do you think that a Serbian with a US passport will be considered Serbian anywhere else in the world, no they will be considered an American. They can teel everyone they are Serbian and the reaction will be OK and then that person will tell everyone the American wants to be called a Serbian.

Funny. So.. are there US Americans? Are the Australians? Is there an US American race, an Australian race? Ever heard of the term 'citizenship'?

(Analyst, 16 September 2011 08:01)

Ever heard of the term inforced 'citizenship' or 'citizenship' taken under pressure?

"However, it seems as if the UK, US and now Germany remain resolutely opposed - for whatever reason."

ICJ

Well the UK, US and Germany are not the ones living in Kosovo. Albanians have stated that they don't want to live with Serbs so why should Serbs have to live with Albanians if they don't want to? The West don't want to partition Kosovo for their own selfish reasons and not because its the best solution currently.
(MikeC, 15 September 2011 16:29)


MikeC,

I must disagree with you once again. The only reason the West will not allow a partition of Kosova is because they feel Serbia should be punished for their aggression toward their neighbors during both Balkan wars, i.e. at the beginning and end of the 20th century, plain and simple. The Serbs are not the only ones with long memories.

@ Stive B

Keep dreaming mate. Kosovo belongs to Kosovars.

"If you feel that you are Kosovar then why do you speak Albanian and fly the Albanian flag?
Inventing a whole race is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that anyone actually thinks there is a race of people called Kosovars living in that region?"

-It was the same analogy that was used during the Serb attempts to wipe Bosnia from the map. They were saying "there is no such thing as Bosnian/Bosniak - there's only Serbs and Muslims". However, you are free to say whatever you like, but I am a proud Kosovar!(Fluid, 15 September 2011 23:35)-

perfect response o that racialist c***.

roberto frisco

"Brussels and Washington say that borders cannot be changed but they would come to terms with the idea if Priština and Belgrade reached an agreement,” he concluded."

Kosovo doesn't belong to Brussels and Washington, it belongs to Serbia and the citizens!

Keep dreaming mate. Kosovo belongs to Kosovars.
(Mendo, 15 September 2011 15:57)

That kind of intransigence will get you nowhere. You lot will be forced to go back to the table whether you like it or not. Your paymasters will demand it.

One scenario that me seem likely is a final agreement will involve partition with the rest of Kosovo 'Daytonised', additional clause inserted which states that Kosovo cannot join Albania in exchange for Belgrade recognition. Belgrade wins since it gets the North and holy sites, maintaining influence over Serb and Gorani autonomous enclaves in the South. Pristina wins since it is finally recognised by Belgrade and can now join the UN and other international bodies. All legal issues are resolved.

Watch this space.

"Kosovo doesn't belong to Brussels and Washington, it belongs to Serbia and the citizens!
(Steve B., 15 September 2011 15:34)"

Wrong, Kosovo belongs to its law-abiding citizens!

Perhaps it is this mentality that brought Serbia where it is today with regard to Kosovo?

They always wanted the land (hint: natural resources), but not the people!

@ Neall

Another dreamer you are. Kosovo will remain as it is now, no change of Borders my friend.

@ MikeC

What happend to whole Kosovo is Serbia.

This still remains the most logical option. The case for partition was also made recently in the Harvard International Review:

http://hir.harvard.edu/kosovo-s-land-for-peace-solution?page=0,1

However, it seems as if the UK, US and now Germany remain resolutely opposed - for whatever reason.

Niall O'Doherty, on 15 September 2011 wrote:

“One scenario that me seem likely is a final agreement will involve partition with the rest of Kosovo 'Daytonised', additional clause inserted which states that Kosovo cannot join Albania in exchange for Belgrade recognition. Belgrade wins since it gets the North and holy sites, maintaining influence over Serb and Gorani autonomous enclaves in the South. Pristina wins since it is finally recognised by Belgrade and can now join the UN and other international bodies. All legal issues are resolved.”

Interesting, as the above would be just what Serbia dreams of – which is to make sure that Kosovo fails as a state, just like Bosnia is currently failing due to Dayton.

Now that we are talking about "dreams", I was actually thinking more along the lines of a referendum, where the Kosovo residents say “Screw Ahtisaari Plan, and join Albania”. That gives Kosovo a UN representation, a NATO membership and no blessing is needed by Serbia, or its commie allies at the UNSC.

"“Screw Ahtisaari Plan, and join Albania”. That gives Kosovo a UN representation, a NATO membership and no blessing is needed by Serbia, or its commie allies at the UNSC."

Fluid

So what are you waiting for? It sounds to me like this is the best solution for the albanians. To bad for you but Kosovo is not run by albanians but by the international community. You can join Talialbania only if KFOR leaves. Should they leave guess who will come knocking on the door? You will be joining your brothers in Albania faster then you think.

"However, it seems as if the UK, US and now Germany remain resolutely opposed - for whatever reason."

ICJ

Well the UK, US and Germany are not the ones living in Kosovo. Albanians have stated that they don't want to live with Serbs so why should Serbs have to live with Albanians if they don't want to? The West don't want to partition Kosovo for their own selfish reasons and not because its the best solution currently.

No border change ?
The albanians and NATO bombs have changed serbian borders.
What a hypocrites these europeans.
The north of kosovo for recognition is the best solution

Kosovo partition “not necessarily bad idea"

Me thinks: Albania's partition is not necessarily a bad idea.

Keep dreaming mate. Kosovo belongs to Kosovars.
(Mendo, 15 September 2011 15:57)
===========================

There is no such race of people. People living there are either Albanian or Serbian and in minority cases Roma.
If you feel that you are Kosovar then why do you speak Albanian and fly the Albanian flag?
Inventing a whole race is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that anyone actually thinks there is a race of people called Kosovars living in that region?

"So what are you waiting for? It sounds to me like this is the best solution for the albanians. To bad for you but Kosovo is not run by albanians but by the international community. You can join Talialbania only if KFOR leaves. Should they leave guess who will come knocking on the door? You will be joining your brothers in Albania faster then you think.
(MikeC, 15 September 2011 17:45)"

At the rate you are going, you will alienate everyone with your collective lack of common sense and excessive stubbornness. Serbia's stubbornness throughout the years, along with its unilateral moves is actually working mighty fine for us.

Let's start with hundreds of violated cease-fires in Croatia and Bosnia, at the time when Britain, France, Italy, and many other countries were actually Serbian allies. Then the refusal of the Z4 plan in Croatia.

Then comes Kosovo...

Initially, the Rambuillet Accord, a document that guaranteed Yugoslavia's territorial integrity was on Serbia's table, but Serbia refused to sign.

Later, in 1999 resolution 1244 authorized "the United Nations to facilitate a political process to determine Kosovo's future status. Kosovo's future status would take into consideration Rambouillet Agreement which Serbia refused to sign in 1998, and which call for the "will of the people of Kosovo" to be one of the guiding principles in defining Kosovo's status."

Again, Serbia refused to actively participate in the UN sponsored status dialogue process that took place in 2006/2007. Serbia even went as far as quickly adopting a constitution that pre-determines the status of Kosovo (without allowing the residents of Kosovo to participate in the Referendum), thus violating UNRes 1244. This was the final straw that triggered the declaration of Independence in 2008.

Eventually, Serbia's excessive stubbornness will irritate the "internationals" to a point where KFOR will actually facilitate the unification of Kosovo with Albania.

Keep it up, it is working really well for us down in Kosovo.

"Brussels and Washington say that borders cannot be changed but they would come to terms with the idea if Priština and Belgrade reached an agreement"

This makes no sense. If borders cannot be changed, then there would be no independent dream state of Kosovo (which only exists by changing the borders of Serbia). So there's no good reason why the borders of Kosovo cannot be changed. The EU and USA only have to admit that their (good) idea and illusion of creating a multi-ethnic Kosovo has miserably failed because neither Serbs nor Albanians in Kosovo want it.

"If you feel that you are Kosovar then why do you speak Albanian and fly the Albanian flag?
Inventing a whole race is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that anyone actually thinks there is a race of people called Kosovars living in that region?"

It was the same analogy that was used during the Serb attempts to wipe Bosnia from the map. They were saying "there is no such thing as Bosnian/Bosniak - there's only Serbs and Muslims".

However, you are free to say whatever you like, but I am a proud Kosovar!

@ MikeC
What happend to whole Kosovo is Serbia.

Mendo

Yes Mendo. If you read what I wrote I did say that partition was the best solution CURRENTLY :)

Who would have though there were so many Erhard-s in the Balkans. There is a new one every day in the news.

Why are NATO, US, EU against Kosovo partition?

perfect response o that racialist c***.

roberto frisco
(roberto, 16 September 2011 03:44)

Apologies, I have nothing to do with a c*** ever, not interested and that c*** is not my business.
Except that most people think, I am one.


Ciaociaociao, sweeties!
Robotberta
Fiasco

"However, it seems as if the UK, US and now Germany remain resolutely opposed - for whatever reason."

ICJ

Well the UK, US and Germany are not the ones living in Kosovo. Albanians have stated that they don't want to live with Serbs so why should Serbs have to live with Albanians if they don't want to? The West don't want to partition Kosovo for their own selfish reasons and not because its the best solution currently.
(MikeC, 15 September 2011 16:29)


MikeC,

I must disagree with you once again. The only reason the West will not allow a partition of Kosova is because they feel Serbia should be punished for their aggression toward their neighbors during both Balkan wars, i.e. at the beginning and end of the 20th century, plain and simple. The Serbs are not the only ones with long memories.

Funny. So.. are there US Americans? Are the Australians? Is there an US American race, an Australian race? Ever heard of the term 'citizenship'?

(Analyst, 16 September 2011 08:01)

Ever heard of the term inforced 'citizenship' or 'citizenship' taken under pressure?

"There is no such race of people. People living there are either Albanian or Serbian and in minority cases Roma.
...
Inventing a whole race is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that anyone actually thinks there is a race of people called Kosovars living in that region?"
(Peggy, 15 September 2011 23:01)

Oh, now the racists are coming up here. Funny. So.. are there US Americans? Are the Australians? Is there an US American race, an Australian race? Ever heard of the term 'citizenship'?

With all the mixture, the members of the 'Serbian race' are probably only a few 100,000 :)

There is no such race of people. People living there are either Albanian or Serbian and in minority cases Roma.
...
Inventing a whole race is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that anyone actually thinks there is a race of people called Kosovars living in that region?"
(Peggy, 15 September 2011 23:01)
Sorry to disappoint you but Albanian, Serbian, Roma, are not races they are ethnic distinctions of the same race. In other words more alike than different.
As far as the term Kosovars, to the rest of the world Serbians were once recognized as Yugoslavians, it is only the local tribal mentality that separates these.
Do you think that a Serbian with a US passport will be considered Serbian anywhere else in the world, no they will be considered an American. They can teel everyone they are Serbian and the reaction will be OK and then that person will tell everyone the American wants to be called a Serbian.

There is no such race of people. People living there are either Albanian or Serbian and in minority cases Roma.
If you feel that you are Kosovar then why do you speak Albanian and fly the Albanian flag?
Inventing a whole race is ridiculous. Do you honestly believe that anyone actually thinks there is a race of people called Kosovars living in that region?
(Peggy, 15 September 2011 23:01)

Nobody has said that the Kosovars are a race. It'd be like saying Australians are a race. You're the one who has brought up race for some reason. 'Kosovar' is the Demonym for someone from Kosovo. Asking a Kosovar why they speak Albanian is a bit like asking an Australian why they speak English.