FM: Nigerian officials deny Kosovo recognition

Like Burkina Fasso and Oman few days ago.
It looks like Mr. Jeremic is taken for a ride by African countries.
After all he has nothing to lose by saying whatever he wants. His career is over anyway.

Mr Jeremic has obviously run out of things to say

But Jeremić, who was addressing reporters during a joint news conference with his visiting Macedonian counterpart, said today that "Pacolli, as usual, is not telling the truth".

At leats this time Vuk did not say that Nigeria has just revoked the recognition, like he did before. Poor Vuk, and poor ordinary serbs for buying his lies.

@John,
Thanks for the link.

Jeremic also isn't a trustfull source. He's just speaking what he wants.

Jeremic is making an ass of himself. He failed to prevent new recognitions and now he is playing dumb by denying them. This is not "Emperor's new clothes" tale that you can just deny the obvious. Furthermore the news media like B92, is making a joke of him by saying that he said that some Nigerian officials have said to him that this is not true. Where is the article, the proof, evidence? You can say anything about Pacolli and perhaps you would like to ridicule all the ones working on Pristina's behalf but I assume that this Serb news media was on the side of its beloved Serb FM.

B92 is so neutral...according to this article

First Deputy PM of Kosovo "claims"
while
Foreign Minister of Serbia "addressed".


Two words, Propa & Ganda.




Thanks,

http://www.businessdayonline.com/NG/index.php/news/76-hot-topic/27251-fg-plans-trade-centre-in-kosovo How do you explain this then?

http://www.businessdayonline.com/NG/index.php/news/76-hot-topic/27251-fg-plans-trade-centre-in-kosovo


Read the link above. Why would they call it capital of Kosovo pristine if they did not recognize the state? Jeremic should get some advisors that read the newspapers of the world before making a fool of himself. LOL

[link] How do you explain this then?
(John, 13 September 2011 16:27)

Isn't it obvious? Pacoli has bribed that newspaper, too. Only possible explanation.

There would be simply no discussions if the countries themselves announce their recognition of Kosovo. Until then, better don't believe anything, these statements are more like wishful thinking (of the one or the other side).

What do the Nigerians know!
Paccolli claimed that Nigeria recognized Kosovo as independent.
End of story!
Im sure he still has his receipt of payment/bribe?

Well, it seems Jeremic was right:

FG make u-turn on Trade office in Kosovo
http://www.tribune.com.ng/index.php/news/28188-fg-makes-u-turn-on-trade-office-in-kosovo

It always seemed unlikely that Nigeria would recognise Kosovo. Have none of you KAs ever heard of Biafra?

By the way, a trade office hardy counts as diplomatic recognition.

I also had to laugh at the final section of the story claiming that Kosovo wanted to invest in Nigeria. With what money? This is KOSOVO, not MONACO. If it was Pacolli, then he can freely invest without having to get recognition first. Or is this his new principle? He will only invest in places that recognise Kosovo. If so, I trust he now has nothing at all to do with Russia or Central Asia.

B92 is so neutral...according to this article

First Deputy PM of Kosovo "claims"
… while
Foreign Minister of Serbia "addressed".
(KOSO)

Well if Albanian officials stopped lying all the time, they might do some less "claiming" and more "addressing". This seems pretty obvious to a rational individual. Sorry you and frisky roberto can't see that. Feel free to go over to Albeu.com if you want your "claims" validated :)

Fluid are you suggesting that all of the actors you mention support Kosovo independence on the basis of morality? I think thats even more fantastical than the idea its because of money.
Self interest is what makes states / people make the decisions they do. Self interest is related to material gain, to power, to future promises of reward etc.

You do make an important, but incorrect point though. Kosovo politicians / businessmen (which much of the time amount to the same thing) are not as interested in investing in Kosovo as they are in getting more countries to recognise. As you know Pacoli has tied his political career to this with the general blessing of other political parties, who hope that this won't give him too much power / influence in the future.

In other words Pacoli is deliberately giving the impression to Kos Albs and Serbs that he is going around the world either bribing or promising to invest in countries in return for recognition.

That has nothing to do with Serbs believing this or that, its a political calculation by Pacoli for future benefit.

What is ridiculous is all the time and money spent on getting more states to recognise as a calculation for votes in the future. Much more sensible for the people living in Kosovo would be for Pacoli to open new businesses in Kosovo.

LOL Pacolli probably got an email from some "Nigerian prince" asking for money and sent a few million thinking that was all he needed to get a recognition. What an idiot. It's even more funny that the usual Albanian dimwits around here sound defiant even in the face of a denial. Diasporas are so damn funny :)

"...i've2 gotten to know those 2 characters, mr propa and ms ganda all too well over the years here, jus like 2 ole frnds that NEVER go away..."
(roberto, 14 September 2011 06:55)
Yes, of course you have as you and your friends make things up all the time. I guess if you say lies often enough they become true in your mind. I'm glad you recognize your own spreading of lies; it's the first step toward recovery. Further, your propaganda may work with the less educated but not with people with way higher educations than you could ever imagine.

[link] How do you explain this then?
(John, 13 September 2011 16:27)

Simple. With this
http://www.tribune.com.ng/index.php/news/28188-fg-makes-u-turn-on-trade-office-in-kosovo

It seems Nigeria wasn't the one making any offers to Kosovo but another case of Albanians getting too excited and reading into too many things. Pretty common if you ask me :) Who's the "ass" now, miri? :))

Fluid I hate to break it to you but morality is the last reason considered by any government in international relations. If you really believe that reasons to recognise Kosovo, (or even not to recognise Kosovo, people have different 'morals') are moral, you have a fundamental misunderstading of the relationships between nation states.

The ICJ decision can serve as a justification for recognition yes I accept that, but I don't believe that any state used that as the main reason for recognition, just as a supplmental one.

I'll also go along with the idea of say some 'neutral' states (ie those that don't really care much either way) following the logic that this was the inevitable conclusion of balkanisation of former Jugoslavija. And agree that the big dogs have also applied pressure.

I don't suggest that Serbian action in Kosovo was morally right. The activities of nation states is rarely moral. In fact I'd say that Serbian Kosovo policy was full of mistakes. I'd say the same about Serb policy on Kosovo today, although less mistakes than before - but I would also say that Kos Albanian leaders are also making big mistakes, not only in dealings with Serbia but with ordinary Kosovo Albanians.

Koso I think you will find that this is as much about a propaganda war than anything else.

Its easy for Pacoli to claim one thing and for Jeremic to say another, not that I'm remotely interested in this silliness, but if I would listen to anybody it would be of the foreign minister of the country involved.

BTW neither of your two words mean anything on their own unless we are talking about the language of the people of Uganda, it is one word only.

bganon wrote on 14 September 2011 at 14:07:

"Fluid are you suggesting that all of the actors you mention support Kosovo independence on the basis of morality?"

I did not suggest that. Each country has its reason(s).

Some countries recognized because they dealt with Serb aggression themselves (Slovenia, Croatia).

Other recognized because they were pressured by the big dogs.

The others saw Kosovo's independence as a conclusion of the process of dissolution of Yugoslavia and saw it as the only way to keep Balkans stable.

And yes, there are those that support it on the basis of morality, and the UN ICJ decision.

If you suggest that what Serbia did in Kosovo and other killing fields in former YU was morally right, I won't say a thing - I'll let your conscience deal with it.

According to your comments, and some Serb officials:

Initially Kosovo Albanians allegedly "bribed" the U.S. senators and representatives.

Then, they "bribed" UNMIK's Kouchner, Steiner, Jessen-Petersen, Rücker.

Then, they "bribed" Ahtisaari for his plan.

Then, they "bribed" UN ICJ for its pro-self-determination decision.

Now, they are "bribing" countries that are recognizing its independence.

Kosovo is not Kuwait and does not have the kind of money you are all talking about. If it did, that money would have been invested in Kosovo, to restart its economy that has been devastated from 1987 to 1999.

Do you all see how ridiculous you sound?

-B92 is so neutral...according to this article First Deputy PM of Kosovo "claims" … while Foreign Minister of Serbia "addressed". Two words, Propa & Ganda. Thanks,(KOSO, 13 September 2011 21:03)-

Touche, KOSO! i've2 gotten to know those 2 characters, mr propa and ms ganda all too well over the years here, jus like 2 ole frnds that NEVER go away. sweet. it helps to laugh instead of always being so deadly serious, right? cheers. robert0 frisco

Like Burkina Fasso and Oman few days ago.
It looks like Mr. Jeremic is taken for a ride by African countries.
After all he has nothing to lose by saying whatever he wants. His career is over anyway.

http://www.businessdayonline.com/NG/index.php/news/76-hot-topic/27251-fg-plans-trade-centre-in-kosovo How do you explain this then?

[link] How do you explain this then?
(John, 13 September 2011 16:27)

Isn't it obvious? Pacoli has bribed that newspaper, too. Only possible explanation.

Jeremic also isn't a trustfull source. He's just speaking what he wants.

But Jeremić, who was addressing reporters during a joint news conference with his visiting Macedonian counterpart, said today that "Pacolli, as usual, is not telling the truth".

At leats this time Vuk did not say that Nigeria has just revoked the recognition, like he did before. Poor Vuk, and poor ordinary serbs for buying his lies.

@John,
Thanks for the link.

Jeremic is making an ass of himself. He failed to prevent new recognitions and now he is playing dumb by denying them. This is not "Emperor's new clothes" tale that you can just deny the obvious. Furthermore the news media like B92, is making a joke of him by saying that he said that some Nigerian officials have said to him that this is not true. Where is the article, the proof, evidence? You can say anything about Pacolli and perhaps you would like to ridicule all the ones working on Pristina's behalf but I assume that this Serb news media was on the side of its beloved Serb FM.

Mr Jeremic has obviously run out of things to say

B92 is so neutral...according to this article

First Deputy PM of Kosovo "claims"
while
Foreign Minister of Serbia "addressed".


Two words, Propa & Ganda.




Thanks,

http://www.businessdayonline.com/NG/index.php/news/76-hot-topic/27251-fg-plans-trade-centre-in-kosovo


Read the link above. Why would they call it capital of Kosovo pristine if they did not recognize the state? Jeremic should get some advisors that read the newspapers of the world before making a fool of himself. LOL

-B92 is so neutral...according to this article First Deputy PM of Kosovo "claims" … while Foreign Minister of Serbia "addressed". Two words, Propa & Ganda. Thanks,(KOSO, 13 September 2011 21:03)-

Touche, KOSO! i've2 gotten to know those 2 characters, mr propa and ms ganda all too well over the years here, jus like 2 ole frnds that NEVER go away. sweet. it helps to laugh instead of always being so deadly serious, right? cheers. robert0 frisco

bganon wrote on 14 September 2011 at 14:07:

"Fluid are you suggesting that all of the actors you mention support Kosovo independence on the basis of morality?"

I did not suggest that. Each country has its reason(s).

Some countries recognized because they dealt with Serb aggression themselves (Slovenia, Croatia).

Other recognized because they were pressured by the big dogs.

The others saw Kosovo's independence as a conclusion of the process of dissolution of Yugoslavia and saw it as the only way to keep Balkans stable.

And yes, there are those that support it on the basis of morality, and the UN ICJ decision.

If you suggest that what Serbia did in Kosovo and other killing fields in former YU was morally right, I won't say a thing - I'll let your conscience deal with it.

According to your comments, and some Serb officials:

Initially Kosovo Albanians allegedly "bribed" the U.S. senators and representatives.

Then, they "bribed" UNMIK's Kouchner, Steiner, Jessen-Petersen, Rücker.

Then, they "bribed" Ahtisaari for his plan.

Then, they "bribed" UN ICJ for its pro-self-determination decision.

Now, they are "bribing" countries that are recognizing its independence.

Kosovo is not Kuwait and does not have the kind of money you are all talking about. If it did, that money would have been invested in Kosovo, to restart its economy that has been devastated from 1987 to 1999.

Do you all see how ridiculous you sound?

Well, it seems Jeremic was right:

FG make u-turn on Trade office in Kosovo
http://www.tribune.com.ng/index.php/news/28188-fg-makes-u-turn-on-trade-office-in-kosovo

It always seemed unlikely that Nigeria would recognise Kosovo. Have none of you KAs ever heard of Biafra?

By the way, a trade office hardy counts as diplomatic recognition.

I also had to laugh at the final section of the story claiming that Kosovo wanted to invest in Nigeria. With what money? This is KOSOVO, not MONACO. If it was Pacolli, then he can freely invest without having to get recognition first. Or is this his new principle? He will only invest in places that recognise Kosovo. If so, I trust he now has nothing at all to do with Russia or Central Asia.

There would be simply no discussions if the countries themselves announce their recognition of Kosovo. Until then, better don't believe anything, these statements are more like wishful thinking (of the one or the other side).

Koso I think you will find that this is as much about a propaganda war than anything else.

Its easy for Pacoli to claim one thing and for Jeremic to say another, not that I'm remotely interested in this silliness, but if I would listen to anybody it would be of the foreign minister of the country involved.

BTW neither of your two words mean anything on their own unless we are talking about the language of the people of Uganda, it is one word only.

LOL Pacolli probably got an email from some "Nigerian prince" asking for money and sent a few million thinking that was all he needed to get a recognition. What an idiot. It's even more funny that the usual Albanian dimwits around here sound defiant even in the face of a denial. Diasporas are so damn funny :)

What do the Nigerians know!
Paccolli claimed that Nigeria recognized Kosovo as independent.
End of story!
Im sure he still has his receipt of payment/bribe?

"...i've2 gotten to know those 2 characters, mr propa and ms ganda all too well over the years here, jus like 2 ole frnds that NEVER go away..."
(roberto, 14 September 2011 06:55)
Yes, of course you have as you and your friends make things up all the time. I guess if you say lies often enough they become true in your mind. I'm glad you recognize your own spreading of lies; it's the first step toward recovery. Further, your propaganda may work with the less educated but not with people with way higher educations than you could ever imagine.

B92 is so neutral...according to this article

First Deputy PM of Kosovo "claims"
… while
Foreign Minister of Serbia "addressed".
(KOSO)

Well if Albanian officials stopped lying all the time, they might do some less "claiming" and more "addressing". This seems pretty obvious to a rational individual. Sorry you and frisky roberto can't see that. Feel free to go over to Albeu.com if you want your "claims" validated :)

[link] How do you explain this then?
(John, 13 September 2011 16:27)

Simple. With this
http://www.tribune.com.ng/index.php/news/28188-fg-makes-u-turn-on-trade-office-in-kosovo

It seems Nigeria wasn't the one making any offers to Kosovo but another case of Albanians getting too excited and reading into too many things. Pretty common if you ask me :) Who's the "ass" now, miri? :))

Fluid are you suggesting that all of the actors you mention support Kosovo independence on the basis of morality? I think thats even more fantastical than the idea its because of money.
Self interest is what makes states / people make the decisions they do. Self interest is related to material gain, to power, to future promises of reward etc.

You do make an important, but incorrect point though. Kosovo politicians / businessmen (which much of the time amount to the same thing) are not as interested in investing in Kosovo as they are in getting more countries to recognise. As you know Pacoli has tied his political career to this with the general blessing of other political parties, who hope that this won't give him too much power / influence in the future.

In other words Pacoli is deliberately giving the impression to Kos Albs and Serbs that he is going around the world either bribing or promising to invest in countries in return for recognition.

That has nothing to do with Serbs believing this or that, its a political calculation by Pacoli for future benefit.

What is ridiculous is all the time and money spent on getting more states to recognise as a calculation for votes in the future. Much more sensible for the people living in Kosovo would be for Pacoli to open new businesses in Kosovo.

Fluid I hate to break it to you but morality is the last reason considered by any government in international relations. If you really believe that reasons to recognise Kosovo, (or even not to recognise Kosovo, people have different 'morals') are moral, you have a fundamental misunderstading of the relationships between nation states.

The ICJ decision can serve as a justification for recognition yes I accept that, but I don't believe that any state used that as the main reason for recognition, just as a supplmental one.

I'll also go along with the idea of say some 'neutral' states (ie those that don't really care much either way) following the logic that this was the inevitable conclusion of balkanisation of former Jugoslavija. And agree that the big dogs have also applied pressure.

I don't suggest that Serbian action in Kosovo was morally right. The activities of nation states is rarely moral. In fact I'd say that Serbian Kosovo policy was full of mistakes. I'd say the same about Serb policy on Kosovo today, although less mistakes than before - but I would also say that Kos Albanian leaders are also making big mistakes, not only in dealings with Serbia but with ordinary Kosovo Albanians.