FM confirms: Two countries revoking Kosovo recognitions

This is a joke. Here is the link to guinea bissau letter from the president to Republic of Kosovo. LOL Jeremic trying to justify the bill for the NAM gathering or it must be close to election time

Truth is coming out. It's only a matter of time. Time for the wave of revokes to set in. Enjoy!

Two more nails in the coffin of Jeremić's political career.

Sweeeeeet :).

This is a joke. Here is the link to guinea bissau letter from the president to Republic of Kosovo. LOL Jeremic trying to justify the bill for the NAM gathering or it must be close to election time
(une, 8 September 2011 17:44)

OK, so someone is lying here and I guess we will find out soon. For your sake, you had better hope it's Jeremic who is lying. If indeed he is not lying, this would be a crucial victory for Serbia. It certainly won't result in the US or other key Western countries revoking recognition, but if the number goes down, it's still going down not up, and that's a good thing. Further, if it's true that Albanians were bribing countries to recognize the UDI, that would be really embarrassing.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ooops, you're going backwards! For more laughter,

"The statement concluded by saying that Priština "expected a series of new recognitions of Kosovo over the following few weeks"."

How many times have you said this and you got one months later? HAHAHAHAHA. These "recognitions" are nothing without Serbia's agreement. Face it ... you will never get into the UN, you will never get into FIFA, you will never get to march into an Olympic stadium, and you will never get into your vaunted eu. Looked at the self declared country next to you that is celebrating its "independence" celebration. In 20 years, it got into the UN, FIFA and the Olympics AND IT STILL WENT NOWHERE. It can't even get into the eu.

Face it, all of you wannabe balkan nations. You were better off in Yugoslavia and you know it now. Credit goes to the Serbs who were smart enough to see through all of america's lies. Condemnation to the rest of you who were duped by americans. Imagine what an economic power Yugoslavia would be by now if, instead of breaking it up, you turned it into a western style democracy. But nooooo. you had to start making those stupid declarations of independence that were encouraged by lying americans. This is why I am so down on the american government on this website. Their propaganda for the last 70 years was that they are the beacon of democracy. They could have turned Yugoslavia into a democracy. But instead, they broke it up for their own greedy, selfish interests. america is your boat ... if it sinks, you go down with it.

So which countries then are those that revoked their recognitions? Is this a state secret for now? Or maybe FM doesn't have a clue. Mr. Jeremic mouth is bigger than his entire body. Is he willing to bet his career on what he says? What a foul man.

This will not lead anywhere. Vuk is the wrong person to talk about finances when his government has funded extremists in northern Kosovo. Dumped billions.

I think Thaci needs to release more drugmoney to finance more recognitions. Perhaps some countries want to keep up the moneyflow in order not to withdraw their recognition. In other words Kosovo recognition is only for rent. No montly payments, no recognition.

http://www.mfa-ks.net/?page=2,4,629 here is the other link. You can call the Oman embassy at (202)387-1980 and ask them about the article. They will tell you that the process of credentialing is under way.. LOL what an embarasing moment for JEREMIC>>LOL

There are about 81 countries who have recognized Kosovo and as a result, they have revoked their recognition of Serbia as a state including Kosovo within the borders.

And read clear what Vuk Jeremic said " they had initiated..." meaning someone within their respective government had initiated but it does not mean this will result in anything but another joke from Vuk Jeremic towards serbian people who are tired of Jeremic's childish moves.

How much $$$ did you gave them in their recent stay in Belgrade Jaramicu?? :)))

More diplomatic "victories" being pointed out by little Vuk. His statement has very little to do with the recognition dynamic (overwhelmingly positive with 0 confirmed withdrawals from the states that have recognized Kosovo since the declaration of independence)

But it has everything to do with Jeremic's very obvious positioning as the "nationalist" candidate within the DS to succeed Tadic. Unfortunately for Jeremic, his last, most brillaint "victory" - taking Kosovo before the ICJ back-fired spectacularly. And he has zero credibility as an interlocutor with the major EU member states as he positioned his rhetoric so that the issue of Kosovo is more important to him than EU accession. This means that he is yesterday's man, both within the DS and, as a consequence, a politician in Serbia.

Now he is also FM of these two countries that "mustn't be named"?

The tittle says have withdrawn but jeremiad says have initiated their withdraw whAt is that can some explain it to me? I can wishful thinking.

No important country would reverse such a decision.

These are probably countries of little significance. Of course, just like the Serbs made fun of us when we celebrated the recognition by these countries, we will make fun of them now that the reverse decision is made.

These annulments of recognition (if they are confirmed) are likely to prolong the belief among the Serbs that the process is reversible. It is a dead-end of course, but we have to wait patiently for Serbia to go all the way to the end of it, before the reconciliation can begin.

OK, so someone is lying here and I guess we will find out soon. For your sake, you had better hope it's Jeremic who is lying. If indeed he is not lying, this would be a crucial victory for Serbia. It certainly won't result in the US or other key Western countries revoking recognition, but if the number goes down, it's still going down not up, and that's a good thing. Further, if it's true that Albanians were bribing countries to recognize the UDI, that would be really embarrassing.
(Daniel, 8 September 2011 18:22)

yes but what I think we will see soon is some new recognitions coming. Every time Jeremic makes these statements there is some thing brewing. I have seen this before with Poland, Macedonia, Cezch republic , Slovenia. this reminds of the links below

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=104193
http://glassrbije.org/E/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6691&Itemid=26
http://www.parlament.rs/Parliamentary_Questions.7660.537.html

Guinea-Bissau has not revoked recognition according to Mr Pacolli who spoke on the phone with the President of Guinea-Bissau, Kosovos web portal telegrafi.com is reporting. I think it's to early to be happy on both sides even though according to international law no country can revoke recognition of knotted country.

This just illustrates what a fake state Kosovo is with no legitimate borders of its own. I'm sure Kosovo Albanians can create their own government which other countries may recognise but that does not translate into a new state comprised from another states (Serbian) territory. I alway knew those recognitions were meaningless!!

I'cant belive that this guy comes and gives a news conference confirming that these two states have decided to withdraw the recognition of Kosova as a state...Dream on Vuk...I think you, (the tax payers os Serbia) still have to pay the bill for the summit that you have hosted and be sure that you didn't gain anything by that..Better relations with your neighbours and EU,USA than the African countrys. The future is here not in Africa, Dude!!!Get a grip..Kosova is independent and that is irreversible...

"I think it's to early to be happy on both sides even though according to international law no country can revoke recognition of knotted country.
(Mendo, 8 September 2011 19:45) "

Could be, I don't know whether a country can simply stop recognizing another country, but I do know that countries have switched recognition from China to Taiwan and back (and maybe, forth, again) in return for considerable sums for "infrastructure" and "investment" and so forth.

How much of the budget for this get-together went for bubbly, I wonder? What with the excitement of being in Belgrade, and meeting Vuk Jeremic in person, and plenty of champagne, and the problem of finding enough Portuguese-Serbian interpreters for confidential chats it's no wonder if something got lost in translation. It's beginning to sound like it must have been some party. (You know the type - "I said WHAT? to WHOM? Good grief. Get me an aspirin, would you?"

Gabon recognized Kosovo today. Funny how Serbian newspapers say nothing about that.

I find these "legal opinions" from all of these "experts" in B92's comments section entirely absurd. The NAM meetings and glad handing in Belgrade has shaken Pristina. This so called nation of Kosova or Kosovo or Who-Cares-Vo had better drop this nonsense or Serbia will take it back by any means necessary.

This just illustrates what a fake state Kosovo is with no legitimate borders of its own. I'm sure Kosovo Albanians can create their own government which other countries may recognise but that does not translate into a new state comprised from another states (Serbian) territory. I alway knew those recognitions were meaningless!!
(Pearl of wisdom, 8 September 2011 19:54)

This only confirms what a joke little Vuk is. Even guests are treating him like a spoiled child, telling him what he wants to hear.

Gabon has just recognized Kosovo and the president Guinea-Bissau re-confirmed that G.B. has recognized Kosovo on january 10, 2011..

Truth is coming out. It's only a matter of time. Time for the wave of revokes to set in. Enjoy!
(Steve B., 8 September 2011 17:51)

Expect a lot more from the Palestinian Statehood vote, note how the nations who recognised Kosovo in the first place only did it because of political gain. However, the USA cannot recognise Kosovo while refusing to recognise Palestine while recognising Kosovo without causing an uproar (the same could be said with Britain and Scotland), So its not a far off possibility that you might get a quiet American recognition withdrawal soon (in the same way they withdrew Taiwan's recognition), considering Kosovo has in no way the strategic importance it had 10 years ago, while Israel/Palestine does it might not be unfair to expect a western revoke on recognition of the failed state.

I assume no more hugs&kisses between Vuk and Gabon UN Ambassador at UNSC meetings Poor Vuk, every time he opens his mouth something good for Kosova happens.

Well hold your horses people, somebody has been duped! we shall wait and see. If true, someone in Prsitina has to explain what happened, if not then this would be the last straw for mr wolf, he has to go.

But there is the third option, it could be that this 'diplomats' from Oman and G-B are playing both sides as it suites them.

Either way, this changes nothing other then little euphoria and numbers.
What is interesting here to see that some people have already started on the 'bubbly' prematurely in my view.

Countries that bear any significance have made it very clear, please read last weeks news. Perhaps this is a counter to the last weeks news from EU.
What this could be seen amounting to 'propaganda' at its best and ' misleading/deceiving the people' at its worst.

What is all this Serbian propoganda fuss to do with re integrating Kosovo into Serbia? The effect of that propaganda is strengthen Albanian factor in the region and unification of all Albanians. That is what the Serbian propaganda effect!

election time they have to fool people now cuz they are afraid of losing they have to come with something as allways before the election Kosovo is the bigges tema in serbia sins milosevic time if any political party in serbia whant to win an election have to talk about kosovo cuz they have nathing els to say is this true ohh come on did jeremic won any buttle when it come to kosovo tema can any serb comment on that plz..

2 more goats and pacoli had this in a bag-dancing for Col.Gadaffi looks like a song now,doe`s in it..but then when did albanians knew anything about shame..

All this talk of recognitions and revoking recognitions is a smoke screen! Its only when Belgrade and Pristina come to an agreement through talking to each other, will there be a functioning Kosovo state that can call its self legimate!! This is fact!!

This so called nation of Kosova or Kosovo or Who-Cares-Vo had better drop this nonsense or Serbia will take it back by any means necessary.
(Drago, 8 September 2011 21:54)

What's Serbia waiting to go ahead ?
(icj1, 9 September 2011 03:26)

My friend ICJ1
Some of these diaspora Serbs try to make us think that people of Kosovo even breath thanks to Serbia. Otherwise they very well know that signature in Kumanovo back in 1999 has discharged Serbia of these worries and means that Drago talks about. As of that day the chances for Serbia to return to Kosovo are as much as Iraq's to return to Kuwait.

Sorry I meant to write according to international law no country can revoke recognition of another country. Sorry guys it's to late now.

@Amer

Yeah possibly there was lots of drinking and next day Mr Jeremic wakes up he thought he heard some two countries revoked recognition.

Ataman, talking about "gems"

even Tito can be pulled out of *ss if necessary.
(Ataman, 9 September 2011 14:09)

Right you are, like this guy did:

"Your independence is as "real" as the sovereignty of Croatia, Serbia, Macedonia, CG and so on. Instead of one strong country what can sustain itself and have it's word taken seriously you guys have now a bunch of statelets quarreling with each other about the shape of, say, customs seals or the dots above the "i".
(Ataman, 5 September 2011 14:03)

Ye goode olde days under whom? Founder of "modern" Yugoslavia... give me a second, who was that again?

"You only excuse is that you missed a certain past posting. Hope that's the case."

Nope, why should it? Only because you deemed it necessary to distance yourself from your former post? And now have fun talking to yourself!

I think, you guys should discuss that with each other. My suspect: anything is good what even remotely makes Serbs look bad somehow - even Tito can be pulled out of *ss if necessary.
(Ataman, 9 September 2011 14:09)

Since when are you a Serb?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ooops, you're going backwards! For more laughter, (JohnBoy, 8 September 2011 22:22)

Really, we do not care about FIFA, the Olympics, or anything else for that matter, as long as that means that Serbian Government will never ever be able to create more killing fields in Kosovo.

Second, all of your historical facts are either wrong or missing. No one wanted out of Yugoslavia, until Serbia's expansionist politics began to surface, hurting everything non-Serb, in the 1980's. Read up!

In addition, I wonder if you were you laughing like this before Operation Storm in Croatia? Looks like your government's myopic policies are taking things in that direction again.

Personally, as a Kosovar, I feel bad for the fellow Kosovar Serbs of Northern Kosovo, as they are being duped, and used as pawns by Serbia.

"Sorry I meant to write according to international law no country can revoke recognition of another country. Sorry guys it's to late now.

@Amer

Yeah possibly there was lots of drinking and next day Mr Jeremic wakes up he thought he heard some two countries revoked recognition.
(Mendo, 8 September 2011 22:34)"



Sorry, but accoring to international law, Kosovo independence is ILLEGAL!

Sorry guys it's to late now.

During recognitions of far-away countries I said "silly games", during the reverse process I say "silly games". But fanboyz have fun. ;-)

It's not serious yet.

The people who are saying the vuk jeremic is lying about oman, guinea bissau, and 2 other countries repealing the recognition of the UDI are fools. Do you really think the ministry of foreign affairs would lie about something so big and humiliate themselves by being caugh in such a lie? You UDI supporters know very well that Oman, Guinea Bissau, and two other countries are repealing their UDI recognitions. I challenghe you to find me one official statement by Guinea Bissau and Oman that states the serbian ministry of foreign affairs was lying. I challenge you!

Mendo - you are not entirely correct. The legal position is that it would be very strange to revoke recognition and leave a territory under no sovereign authority at all. (Political nature also abhorring a vacuum.) There is no problem, however, if a state revokes recognition of Kosovo (explicitly or implicitly), by indicating that it recognises Serbian sovereignty over the territory or, more simply, recognises it within it's constitutional borders. In this regard, revoking recognition would be extremely easy. Presumably, it could be done in any of the ways in which recognition is conducted, including by simply notifying Belgrade of a decision, without even having to notify Pristina. (Although diplomatic missions, if they exist, would have to be appropriately downgraded.) Recognition remains an overtly political act that is a defining feature of sovereignty. States can extend it how the see fit. As has been pointed out already, the back and forth over China and Taiwan shows this (although, technically, that issue is about government recognition, not state recognition).

Kosovothanksyou.com just states that Oman had indeed never recognised kosovo as independent so thats that sorted

Breaking. Republic of Gabon recognizes the independence of Kosovo. Also in breaking the Kosovan Ministry of Foreign Affairs have removed Sultanate of Oman from the recognition list as they had misinterpreted the verbal note sent from the Omani ministry. So 81 recognize, plus Taiwan. 82. Serbia was right about Oman, but doesn't seem so for Guinea-Bissau, as Kosovan Vice Prime Minister confirmed with Guinean-Bissau President that they recognize Kosovo / Kosovo.

"note its also illegal under intl law to unilaterally declare independence, and to recognise such declarations. These 2 states are simply putting right their wrongs
(New Zealander, 9 September 2011 06:54) "

Forgotten the ICJ finding? There's nothing illegal under international law about declaring independence. And recognizing another state is one of the sovereign rights of any state, so it's not "against the law" for any state to recognize Kosovo. Just ask the fine people at the nearest Gabon consulate.

Face it, all of you wannabe balkan nations. You were better off in Yugoslavia and you know it now. Credit goes to the Serbs who were smart enough to see through all of america's lies. Condemnation to the rest of you who were duped by americans. Imagine what an economic power Yugoslavia would be by now if, instead of breaking it up, you turned it into a western style democracy. But nooooo. you had to start making those stupid declarations of independence that were encouraged by lying americans. This is why I am so down on the american government on this website. Their propaganda for the last 70 years was that they are the beacon of democracy. They could have turned Yugoslavia into a democracy. But instead, they broke it up for their own greedy, selfish interests. america is your boat ... if it sinks, you go down with it.

(JohnBoy, 8 September 2011 22:22)

JohnBoy!!! Ncccnccccc….you’re handle sure describes the way you think – Just like a little BOY.

- Face it, all of you wannabe balkan nations.

Wannabe?! Hmm, last I checked in the state department’s web site, it is.

Let me explain one thing to you, that’s providing you can comprehend it, little BOY. Do you actually think that we Americans care what you think?! Serbia is just another drop of water in the Pacific for us. When I google it, I just see one little dot without any significance.

- Credit goes to the Serbs who were smart enough to see through all of america's lies.

- Condemnation to the rest of you who were duped by americans.

But little Johnny, we're happy!! We'll take 'duping' over dealing with you, any time of the day.

Yes, I agree; thanks to you and people that “think” like you, Serbian is just a fraction of the Yugo land.

- Beacon of democracy!!???

I know, poor Americans!!! We should have learned from you folk how democracy works. Hmmm….. but I guess that word has a different meaning in Serbia.

- They could have turned Yugoslavia into a democracy. LMAO

Do you have any idea what happened in that Yugo country that you miss so much?! Do you have any idea who started this whole mess?! Oh well, I keep forgetting that I’m talking to a little BOY. No country around you (check the map), wants to do anything with you, absolutely none. Wake up and smell your ignorance little Johnny. No one wanted to stay in that Yugo land of yours, as it has been proven for the last 30 years.

- This is why I am so down on the american government on this website.



- america is your boat ... if it sinks, you go down with it.

Hmmm, lemme think about this one!!!!! America sinks, Srebia prospers….hmmmm, damn you got me on this one!!!! GDP in US is over 14 trillion dollars; while in Serbia is less the a billion, or, is there one ?!…. You are right; I keep forgetting that ‘B’ comes before a ‘T’.

Pls say it ain’t so little Johnny!!!

LOL! The albos here are really rattled judging from their comments. Well see soon. Eitherways, Thaci will forever remain the midget in his Fantasy (Illyrian) Island...

According to sources 2 countries which I cannot name are revoking their rcognitions. Jeremic must be posting here under the name staff!

Sorry I meant to write according to international law no country can revoke recognition of another country. Sorry guys it's to late now.
(Mendo, 8 September 2011 22:34)

LOL!!! Why did Macedonia withdrew recognition of Taiwan? As we all know "International Law" is a blurry concept. I would say many dictators and politicians in countries missed the announcement from Pristina that they somehow recognised Kosovo after waking up from a white powder inspired night.

Yes, we all know elections are on their way and perhaps the DS kept a few aces up their sleeves for this very occasion.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ooops, you're going backwards! For more laughter, (JohnBoy, 8 September 2011 22:22)

If you want to play nasty, here's one for you - you can dream on about EU membership, as Kosovo virtually now has veto power on Serbia's membership ;-)
(Fluid, 9 September 2011 07:26)


Outside the DS, virtually very in Serbia care much about the EU

So much fuss about two africa countries, who cares what they think anyway, and who cares wether serbia ''fights to prevent the recognition'' and who cares about the UN...UN is just another corrupt organisation, UN missions do nothing but steal, UN was for ten years in Kosovo and Kosovo's economy was as bad as during the war, it has been two years UN is gone, and economy is doing just fine, Kosovo even had the force to ban the smuggled serbian products which payed no taxes, with domestic and imported products with the same prize which payed taxes...as for IMF, i don't think it is a success they aproved kosovo as a member, IMF is a maphia org basicly, they loan money with the worst conditions, they corrupt politicans, and the result is an enslaved three world people for many generations to come, IMF , right after they accepted Kosovo they offered kosovo a lot of money, but the parliament refused as the % was..uhm, put in simple words, robbery...

Funny that you say that because Kosovo as an Albanian state has no chance at EU membership without Serbia's explicit recognition. By the way, as far as I know, Kosovo Albanians can't even travel to EU visa free yet. What a shame. I hear it costs a lot of time and money to get a visa to the EU for your Albanian friends.
(Daniel, 9 September 2011 12:32)

Interesting Daniel. You assume that everything is black and white.

Not everything happens directly. Just like Serbia is indirectly affecting the UNSC through 2 permanent members, Kosovo will affect the EU accession process through 22 out of the 27 EU members that have recognized Kosovo.

Time will tell...

Face it ... you will never get into the UN, you will never get into FIFA, you will never get to march into an Olympic stadium, and you will never get into your vaunted eu. Looked at the self declared country next to you that is celebrating its "independence" celebration. In 20 years, it got into the UN, FIFA and the Olympics AND IT STILL WENT NOWHERE. It can't even get into the eu.
(JohnBoy, 8 September 2011 22:22)

Dude, you are correct, but not relevant. If you ask an Albanian in Kosovo what do you prefer:

1. Being in the UN or being independent from Serbia ? He/She will choose the latter;
2. Being in the FIFA or being independent from Serbia ? He/She will choose the latter;
3. Being in the Olympics or being independent from Serbia ? He/she will choose the latter;
4. Being in the EU or being independent from Serbia ? He/She will choose the latter.

Note that the above are not a matter of "or", but just to make you haooy for now, let's assume it's like you say. So not sure what’s going to achieve if you tell Albanians in Kosovo that “you will never get into the UN, you will never get into FIFA, you will never get to march into an Olympic stadium, and you will never get into your vaunted eu”. Are you hopping that will convince them to be under Serbia for those “benefits” ?! You must be dreaming my friend. Actually, if they were stupid enough to be convinced to go back under Serbia, they would not be UN members anyway. So why on earth should they do it ?!!!!!! Just to please you !

(JohnBoy, 8 September 2011 22:22)

I have to give you major props. That is putting it squarely in the face of the Albanians as I've ever seen it. The problem though was Yugoslavia was a success but it was with smoke and mirrors. Just ask those of us that were lucky to get our money back after the 15%+ interest we were promised. I do agree that there were external pressures to break it up no doubt. But the 3 ring circus of Alija, Franjo and Slobo is what caused the country to collapse. All three playing on nationalistic fevor and 2 of them were unprepared (Alija even admitted it in interviews). But that's a discussion for another day...

As for Macedonia and Albania itself, where are they now? I agree, empty promises have lead to nothing for each. BTW, most Albanians in Albania don't even consider Kosovars as "true" Albanians. And the Macedonian- Albanians...lets not even go there with their really hard dialect. It's one thing if you have a few wealthy individuals to lobby and put pressures on the US and others. It's quite another story to operate an entire country....

"I think it's to early to be happy on both sides even though according to international law no country can revoke recognition of knotted country.
(Mendo, 8 September 2011 19:45) "


note "Knotted Country", withdrawing recognitions from failed states is fine, note its also illegal under intl law to unilaterally declare independence, and to recognise such declarations. These 2 states are simply putting right their wrongs

"And besides, you know what/who is behind Pacolli...
(Ataman, 9 September 2011 13:20) "

Not Gaddafi, anyway. Interesting what will happen to the African votes without Brother Leader supporting Serbia with the payments that helped them stay in power. Topic for discussion: Wither the AU without Gaddafi?

Classic knock-knock joke:
-- Knock, knock!
-- Who's there?
-- Ice cream!
-- Ice cream who?
--Ice cream[= I scream] if you don't let me in!

Also:
- Knock, knock!
- Who's there?
- Acid!
- Acid who?
- Acid down and be quiet!

( [=Aah, sit down] )

(These used to be great favorites among the pre-teen set. And my father.)

I just lie how the Serbian posters take everything that is being told to them for granted. I posted a few links about withdrawing o recognitions below look them up. Not the first time Jeremi had made a fool of himself.

As far as Lybia I recall that Gadafi was the very beat friend of Serbia same as Iran.

Malaysia was supposed to withdraw their recognition a few years back too
Macedonia the same, Czech Republic the same, Montenegro the same but nothing happendwd you know why?


It I'd a dine deal and there is no going back. K-Albanians would much rather have a underdeveloped country and work abroad and send money in then no country of their own. So keep on the hope and have a good laugh at your expense. After all Jeremic gets his salary from your tax dinnar

If you want to play nasty, here's one for you - you can dream on about EU membership, as Kosovo virtually now has veto power on Serbia's membership ;-)
(Fluid, 9 September 2011 07:26)

Funny that you say that because Kosovo as an Albanian state has no chance at EU membership without Serbia's explicit recognition. By the way, as far as I know, Kosovo Albanians can't even travel to EU visa free yet. What a shame. I hear it costs a lot of time and money to get a visa to the EU for your Albanian friends.

(чтоб не сглазить: knock-knock, 9 September 2011 00:14)

No, I don't remember сглазить, thanks for it. We could use the concept in the US - too many kids have never heard anything except compliments all their lives, and end up believing what they've been told and totally impossible to live with as a result.

I was wondering about this this whole phony-baloney "non-aligned" summit, as though it were serbia that was the "real" yugoslavia. so many outrages, all in one sentence. tito rolling and re-rolling in his grave.
non-aligned?! what would yr beloved put-in have to say?

ciao! roberto frisco
(roberto, 9 September 2011 03:38)

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http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=76264

Pan-Slavism and Socialism? In another post you were promoting Jugoslavija... Missing ye goode olde days, aren't we?
(Bloody Mary, 7 September 2011 08:42)

I think, you guys should discuss that with each other. My suspect: anything is good what even remotely makes Serbs look bad somehow - even Tito can be pulled out of *ss if necessary.

Ye goode olde days under whom? Founder of "modern" Yugoslavia... give me a second, who was that again?
(Bloody Mary, 9 September 2011 16:32)

You only excuse is that you missed a certain past posting. Hope that's the case. Let me help you out...

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=76291

Please scroll down and you will see this:

"I wish that would happen - but than we are talking about an exemplary state union, not about Serbia as it is today. Yugoslavia clearly failed and not once - the solution is neither break up everything nor re-create a failure - but as the Founding Fathers of America envisioned: "a better union".

The problem is, one side wants to re-create the failure, the other side wants to break everything up. It is not going to work, but breaking up is easier to accomplish.

An other problem is, everyone who thinks about a "better union" is regarded with suspect to either becoming the leader of "Greater Albania", becoming a "new Tito" or some sort of "pan-slavic leader". That makes of course a negative selection process.

It has to be the wish of sufficiently large part of population first and there is not enough momentum for such thing at this moment.
(Ataman, 8 September 2011 15:50)

Hope it clarifies your concerns - and now really you have to talk to Roberto about the rest, I think.

"And besides, you know what/who is behind Pacolli...
(Ataman, 9 September 2011 13:20) "

Not Gaddafi, anyway.
(Amer, 9 September 2011 16:41)

Not him for sure. But if you look at Pacolli's web site you won't need to guess long.

1) http://www.behgjetpacolli.com
2) click on his picture (wait, isn't the cap of the military guy behind him a bit to large?)
3) click on the .PHOTOS
4) click on the "down" arrow 38 times.
5) you will see a picture of his office.

Well that is a good picture. I hosted it with Imageshack, so you can save yourself the above procedure.

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2182/pacolli.jpg

Of course it does not prove anything - except that the one who has such decoration on the wall (presumably remembering the good old days as Yeltsin gave him the contract) - for sure does not despise that place.

That is enough for a good start - so he is not narrow-minded madman who would buy the recognitions to fuel his nationalist ego. You know of course that he has very close family ties as well, not just business ties.

This is probably reason enough, American political elite did not wanted him to lead Kosovo being afraid of conflict of interest.

The next question is why Bühler is allowed to lead KFOR despite his wife being Albanian?

No, not the usual double standard - it's because there was something around election process of Pacolli.
But hey, the 110% of votes for Thaçi were OK for Americans. ;-) Beats even Turkmenbashi's 99%

"The next question is why Bühler is allowed to lead KFOR despite his wife being Albanian?

(Ataman, 9 September 2011 17:32) "

I couldn't find your link backing this up. In his blog (I don't have a link, either) he said he's not married to anybody, he's divorced, and has a German "companion" (I think that was the term) back in Germany. And no relations with Albanian females. So, unless you have something more than Serb-supplied gossip to go on, I'm not buying it. Although, with no counter evidence, I don't expect you'll give up on something that explains his actions to your satisfaction. The fact that Kfor recognizes the Kosovo authorities as legitimate could of course have nothing to do with it, I suppose? (Check the ICG's latest http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/europe/balkans/kosovo/north-kosovo-meltdown.aspx - Belgrade was just recently suggesting that they group be more widely quoted.)

Sorry, but accoring to international law, Kosovo independence is ILLEGAL!

Sorry guys it's to late now.
(Predrag, 9 September 2011 05:48)

Obviously you have not read the news since July 2010... so yeah, you indeed late :)

You helped to destroy Yugoslavia despite Yugoslavia helping you.
(Janez-Beograd, 11 September 2011 03:39)

Dude, if almost all other nationalities in former-Yugoslavia did not want to live in the same house with Serbs, there is nothing outsiders could have done about that. What did you want the outsiders do ? Force the other nationalies live in the same house with Serbs, even though they did not want to ?!

Two more nails in the coffin of Jeremić's political career.
(Fluid, 8 September 2011 20:44)

LOL! how? Because you say so? Please, these countries rescinded their recognition's end of story.

With the U.S running out of money to finance this retarded child known as 'Kosova' expect more of this to come.

another LIE from Vuk Jeremic!!!

This is now a game that's in the hands of people with lots of clout, and we are just watching and cheering from the sidelines. No matter what any of us say pro Serbia or pro Albanian Kosovo/a, none of us has a vote or a say in this matter. We just watch and wait. I doubt Jeremic, whether you like it or not, is telling a lie. There is way too much at stake for him. I believe that he was told what he said he was told. The question now is whether the people talking to the Albanians and the Serbians are telling the truth. None of us know. It's also possible that different people from Oman or other countries are saying different things to different people. That's why we must now all wait and see. It would be better to stop being so sure of something you have no control over and be a patient bystander, for there is absolutely nothing we can do.

Reading the article and then all these comments, I am rather shocked that none of you mentioned the main fact.
Fact is that those letters(credentials-recognitions) by 81 countries so far are nothing but a mere support of Kosova's independents and a message that when voting time comes in UN council, you will have my YES vote.

Kosova or any new country can have similar letters and even exchange their ambassadors, now, from 190 countries, but the main thing is whether they will vote Yes to UN Council when the important day come? In another words, these credentials now are only a message- "Count on my YES vote for the UN Council day".

While for Kosova such "recognitions", now, are nothing but count on my support, they use these to lure other countries to give them the same support now and on the big day at UN Council. The more they do this now the better and more hopeful for the big day.

Now then, about revoking one's countries recognition. Since Kosova is not a member of UN yet, recognised by voting on UN council, then the statement of FM of Serbia, is a big fail and an insult to Serbian's people intelligence. How can someone unrecognise the unrecognisable? I could understand if he said "Despite, Count on my support" from Oman to Kosova now, we were assured by Oman that when the voting day arrives, they will veto. But to say we have stopped it or revoked it before even the voting began its totally wrong and an insult to his people's intelligence. Unless they are 100% sure that the answer of YES or NO now, it will mean the same on UN council as well.
Take Palestine for example, and this is the best current example. US President Obama, not long ago, in May 2011, supported the Palestian state and soon after this he went even further to say, that he supports with pre 1967 borders. Now can we say that Palestine is a recognised country? Of course not, it is only, as I call it "count on my support - on UN council vote". But what's happening now, the UN council day(for Palestine) is fast approaching and US Govt made it clear that it will veto Palestine state on UN Council. Can you see what I mean, my friends?
Someone else said I don't know if one can revoke one's country recognition, the simple answer is no. Once the said country is a member of UN then no one can revoke that, unless the said country herself declares that it does not exist as a country because from now on they are part of this union or part of say, another country. Serbia & MN union springs to mind.
Once a member of UN then one country can cut the ties/links, diplomatic and economic, with another country, but cannot revoke its recognition from UN.

Anyway, on another note, I wasn't appalled with Serbian's FM statement as much as with Kosova's DPM, Pacolli.
He confirmed, yet again, that he is naive and have no clue on diplomacy. But again, I don't blame him but I blame his advisors.
Having the official letter-credentials, by G Bissau, on his hand, met the President and then hearing a lie by someone, somewhere, for him to pick up a phone and to call the President of G Bisau, to see if its true, it is beyond my imaginations.
Why couldn't he or his advisors say, "well, we have the official letter with us, where G Bassau have recognised our country, and unless we receive another one, to say otherwise, then for us this is valid and official"!?.

To me this looked like two kids arguing about X person not being his friend and the other kid(Pacolli) running home crying and picking up the phone to call and confirm if he is still his(X person) friend. Very immature and undiplomatic.

However, the USA cannot recognise Kosovo while refusing to recognise Palestine while recognising Kosovo without causing an uproar (the same could be said with Britain and Scotland), So its not a far off possibility that you might get a quiet American recognition withdrawal soon (in the same way they withdrew Taiwan's recognition), considering Kosovo has in no way the strategic importance it had 10 years ago, while Israel/Palestine does it might not be unfair to expect a western revoke on recognition of the failed state.
(New Zealander, 8 September 2011 21:31)

Why it can't ? Kosovo and Palestine, as far as I know, are not the same entity. One is in Europe, the other one in the Middle East. Did that change recently and I missed it ?!

This so called nation of Kosova or Kosovo or Who-Cares-Vo had better drop this nonsense or Serbia will take it back by any means necessary.
(Drago, 8 September 2011 21:54)

What's Serbia waiting to go ahead ?

-So which countries then are those that revoked their recognitions? Is this a state secret for now? Or maybe FM doesn't have a clue. Mr. Jeremic mouth is bigger than his entire body. Is he willing to bet his career on what he says? What a foul man. (miri, 8 September 2011 17:58)--

"Foul" is a very nice way of putting it; i can think of many less flattering adjectives.

I was wondering about this this whole phony-baloney "non-aligned" summit, as though it were serbia that was the "real" yugoslavia. so many outrages, all in one sentence. tito rolling and re-rolling in his grave.
non-aligned?! what would yr beloved put-in have to say?

but anyway it all comes out in the dirty laundry, or should i say trash: it was all really just about serbia's "Peace/Peace/Peace!!!" plan

How would it be if serbia's neighbors (understandably) began a vicious and evil international campaign to un-recognize serbia? i wonder how that would play with their pr machines...


of course in the end jeremic is made to look the fool, but... what is the net effect of this endless let-them-choke-on-nationalism on the common people? in the balkans, of all places! merde...

ciao! roberto frisco

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ooops, you're going backwards! For more laughter, (JohnBoy, 8 September 2011 22:22)

If you want to play nasty, here's one for you - you can dream on about EU membership, as Kosovo virtually now has veto power on Serbia's membership ;-)

It's my belief that the worst case scenario for Kosovo would be if so many other nations that currently recognize Kosovo's sovereignty decided (under pressure or out of their free will) to rescind their recognition for Kosovo.

As I previously stated in another site that this type of news can be considered a setback to the pro-independence Kosovars ,however,my advice to pro-independence Kosovars is to not panic (if some are panicky) and to remain optimistic that Kosovo hopefully won't be in jeopardy of losing its sovereign status or won't "officially" lose its sovereign status.

Since when are you a Serb?
(Bloody Mary, 9 September 2011 15:04)

Since both of you pulled off this out of the *** - just discuss things with Roberto.
My only role here merely is that I did find both gems worth to be put next to each other - afterwards since it's not my business anymore I wash my hands.

I couldn't find your link backing this up. In his blog (I don't have a link, either) he said he's not married to anybody, he's divorced, and has a German "companion" (I think that was the term) back in Germany.
(Amer, 9 September 2011 18:40)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Bühler

"Bühler wurde im bayerischen Aichach geboren und wuchs in Regensburg auf. Er ist verheiratet und hat einen Sohn."

Otherwise I had the link in German where it was said that he has PERSONAL FAMILY TIES to Kosovo. The details were withhold. I posted that link earlier around the time of the conflict around Jarinje.

I cannot find it more but it was I think in the Schwäbische Zeitung.

@JohnBoy

FIFA? Olympic Games? as long as the corrupt government is moscow blocking Kosovo then Germany is playing the same game and blocking Serbia! there is no chance in this world that Serbia joins the EU without Kosovo's membership of the UN. And would you like puppy play? Then play the game.
And who is UN to decide whether  a country IS a country or not. The UN is only room where the great powers tease each other. And this can be proved on! over 100 children die every day from starvation in the Horn of Africa and the UN have not yet accumulated enough money to save millions from starvation. So UN is your Lover, And UN is Vuk jeremich's Best friend over seas.

They could have turned Yugoslavia into a democracy. But instead, they broke it up for their own greedy, selfish interests. america is your boat ... if it sinks, you go down with it.
(JohnBoy, 8 September 2011 22:22)

Just what American interests precisely did it serve to have Yugoslavia disintegrate? Why would we encourage Europe to unite while wanting Yugoslavia to fall apart??

"I find these "legal opinions" from all of these "experts" in B92's comments section entirely absurd. The NAM meetings and glad handing in Belgrade has shaken Pristina. This so called nation of Kosova or Kosovo or Who-Cares-Vo had better drop this nonsense or Serbia will take it back by any means necessary.
(Drago"


Hahahah...let Serbia try.
If this article proves anything is how easy it is to dupe Serbs.
Let's wait and see. What will you say if Vuk ends up trying to pull a fast one?

What will you say then?

Don't worry. I don't expect an answer.

Just ask the fine people at the nearest Gabon consulate.
(Amer, 9 September 2011 12:48)

How's your knuckle?

Just asking because all these news about some Kingdom of Mbuku Mbeka are quite vague. Jeremic sez "Mbuku Mbeka did not recognize", Pacolli sez "Mbuku Mbeka did recognize" and Mbuku Mbeka sez nothing because they don't even have a MoFA or TV station.

And besides, you know what/who is behind Pacolli...

No, I don't remember сглазить, thanks for it. We could use the concept in the US
(Amer, 9 September 2011 13:12)

Major problems during the job interview in the States: HR of course does not know - and the potential Belarus / Ukrainian / Russian (or even Israeli) engineer struggles to answer the questions because either he will go against the tradition or not get the job.

Good bosses usually let the interview run by the colleagues from the former USSR. Than difficult questions like that never happen. I have probably a bag full of hilarious interview stories, many around precisely that verb. My best story was with M***a about a decade and half ago - just told the naples HR lady: for us there is no proper answer for her question. She was shocked... but accepted. Kudos to her.

JohnBoy!!! Ncccnccccc….you’re handle sure describes the way you think – Just like a little BOY.

- Face it, all of you wannabe balkan nations.

Wannabe?! Hmm, last I checked in the state department’s web site, it is.

Let me explain one thing to you, that’s providing you can comprehend it, little BOY. Do you actually think that we Americans care what you think?! Serbia is just another drop of water in the Pacific for us. When I google it, I just see one little dot without any significance.

- Credit goes to the Serbs who were smart enough to see through all of america's lies.

- Condemnation to the rest of you who were duped by americans.

But little Johnny, we're happy!! We'll take 'duping' over dealing with you, any time of the day.

Yes, I agree; thanks to you and people that “think” like you, Serbian is just a fraction of the Yugo land.

- Beacon of democracy!!???

I know, poor Americans!!! We should have learned from you folk how democracy works. Hmmm….. but I guess that word has a different meaning in Serbia.

- They could have turned Yugoslavia into a democracy. LMAO

Do you have any idea what happened in that Yugo country that you miss so much?! Do you have any idea who started this whole mess?! Oh well, I keep forgetting that I’m talking to a little BOY. No country around you (check the map), wants to do anything with you, absolutely none. Wake up and smell your ignorance little Johnny. No one wanted to stay in that Yugo land of yours, as it has been proven for the last 30 years.

- This is why I am so down on the american government on this website.



- america is your boat ... if it sinks, you go down with it.

Hmmm, lemme think about this one!!!!! America sinks, Srebia prospers….hmmmm, damn you got me on this one!!!! GDP in US is over 14 trillion dollars; while in Serbia is less the a billion, or, is there one ?!…. You are right; I keep forgetting that ‘B’ comes before a ‘T’.

Pls say it ain’t so little Johnny!!!
(Pls say it ain't so!!, 10 September 2011 01:08)

What a spiteful person you are. Your ignorance and hatred eminates from your post towards Serbia and Yugoslavia, that as obvious as night is to day. I do know who started it and it was not the Serbs. You seem to have a form of collective amnesia and selective history in your post. Do you remember 1981? The riots in Pristina. That was long before Milosevic. My father was in the police and he was sent to Kosovo to restore order, He always told me that the local Albanian population were giving the Serbs hell and that they hated the presence of the Yugoslav police and army but they could not say anything about it. My parents were loyal Yugoslavs and they paid the Kosovo tax from their salaries to help the people of Kosovo just like everyone else. You got billions in loans and yet you were not satisfied.

You helped to destroy Yugoslavia despite Yugoslavia helping you. I am not a Serb nor am I nationalist but I am very grateful for Serbia for what she has done for my family, allowed me to live in peace and harmony with my Serb, Jewish, Croat, Hungarian, Bosnian, Gypsy and Albanian neighbours here in Belgrade. There are no problems, everyone gets on with their normal lives- work, play, get drunk.. yet you preach hatred and distrust. Tell me this, does that happen in Pristina or in Albanian parts of Kosovo? No is doesnt, the Serbs and Roma live in ghettoes surrounded by barbed wire and guarded by NATO troops. When push comes to shove, I know which side i will be standing on. Lose the chip on your shoulder.

You are nothing but a hateful and nasty individual.

oh by the way, America is broke.

@Amer:

The joke with Jeremic and drinks was a very good one - the problem is that we do not know, who will wake up with the headache. Do you know the verb "сглазить" by the way?

very - very important, be careful with praising newborn babies, boosting your health, or seeing your dream coming true. And if you do and/or things happen unexpectedly very good - always have a wooden desk and knock on it. If your knuckle hurts, you may get away with that pride. ;-)

Example - proper wording if you visit a family with a newborn and she looks like a future Miss Universe:

"That baby seem to be OK... hopefully her beauty will further improve... knock-knock".
If you will say that the baby looks like a young beauty - you may shock and scare the parents. Than they will knock on the desk. As people say: "чтоб' не сглазить"... just in case.

I finish here, my hand hurts today.

Please say it ain't so Vuk.

"UN is just another corrupt organisation, UN missions do nothing but steal, UN was for ten years in Kosovo and Kosovo's economy was as bad as during the war"
"IMF is a maphia org basicly"
(iliri, 9 September 2011 16:01)

Blabla.. But in case it is like that (which I don't agree about), these organizations perfectly suit to Kosovo Albanians!

This is a joke. Here is the link to guinea bissau letter from the president to Republic of Kosovo. LOL Jeremic trying to justify the bill for the NAM gathering or it must be close to election time

This just illustrates what a fake state Kosovo is with no legitimate borders of its own. I'm sure Kosovo Albanians can create their own government which other countries may recognise but that does not translate into a new state comprised from another states (Serbian) territory. I alway knew those recognitions were meaningless!!

This will not lead anywhere. Vuk is the wrong person to talk about finances when his government has funded extremists in northern Kosovo. Dumped billions.

So which countries then are those that revoked their recognitions? Is this a state secret for now? Or maybe FM doesn't have a clue. Mr. Jeremic mouth is bigger than his entire body. Is he willing to bet his career on what he says? What a foul man.

I'cant belive that this guy comes and gives a news conference confirming that these two states have decided to withdraw the recognition of Kosova as a state...Dream on Vuk...I think you, (the tax payers os Serbia) still have to pay the bill for the summit that you have hosted and be sure that you didn't gain anything by that..Better relations with your neighbours and EU,USA than the African countrys. The future is here not in Africa, Dude!!!Get a grip..Kosova is independent and that is irreversible...

More diplomatic "victories" being pointed out by little Vuk. His statement has very little to do with the recognition dynamic (overwhelmingly positive with 0 confirmed withdrawals from the states that have recognized Kosovo since the declaration of independence)

But it has everything to do with Jeremic's very obvious positioning as the "nationalist" candidate within the DS to succeed Tadic. Unfortunately for Jeremic, his last, most brillaint "victory" - taking Kosovo before the ICJ back-fired spectacularly. And he has zero credibility as an interlocutor with the major EU member states as he positioned his rhetoric so that the issue of Kosovo is more important to him than EU accession. This means that he is yesterday's man, both within the DS and, as a consequence, a politician in Serbia.

http://www.mfa-ks.net/?page=2,4,629 here is the other link. You can call the Oman embassy at (202)387-1980 and ask them about the article. They will tell you that the process of credentialing is under way.. LOL what an embarasing moment for JEREMIC>>LOL

How much $$$ did you gave them in their recent stay in Belgrade Jaramicu?? :)))

Sweeeeeet :).

The tittle says have withdrawn but jeremiad says have initiated their withdraw whAt is that can some explain it to me? I can wishful thinking.

There are about 81 countries who have recognized Kosovo and as a result, they have revoked their recognition of Serbia as a state including Kosovo within the borders.

And read clear what Vuk Jeremic said " they had initiated..." meaning someone within their respective government had initiated but it does not mean this will result in anything but another joke from Vuk Jeremic towards serbian people who are tired of Jeremic's childish moves.

Truth is coming out. It's only a matter of time. Time for the wave of revokes to set in. Enjoy!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ooops, you're going backwards! For more laughter,

"The statement concluded by saying that Priština "expected a series of new recognitions of Kosovo over the following few weeks"."

How many times have you said this and you got one months later? HAHAHAHAHA. These "recognitions" are nothing without Serbia's agreement. Face it ... you will never get into the UN, you will never get into FIFA, you will never get to march into an Olympic stadium, and you will never get into your vaunted eu. Looked at the self declared country next to you that is celebrating its "independence" celebration. In 20 years, it got into the UN, FIFA and the Olympics AND IT STILL WENT NOWHERE. It can't even get into the eu.

Face it, all of you wannabe balkan nations. You were better off in Yugoslavia and you know it now. Credit goes to the Serbs who were smart enough to see through all of america's lies. Condemnation to the rest of you who were duped by americans. Imagine what an economic power Yugoslavia would be by now if, instead of breaking it up, you turned it into a western style democracy. But nooooo. you had to start making those stupid declarations of independence that were encouraged by lying americans. This is why I am so down on the american government on this website. Their propaganda for the last 70 years was that they are the beacon of democracy. They could have turned Yugoslavia into a democracy. But instead, they broke it up for their own greedy, selfish interests. america is your boat ... if it sinks, you go down with it.

No important country would reverse such a decision.

These are probably countries of little significance. Of course, just like the Serbs made fun of us when we celebrated the recognition by these countries, we will make fun of them now that the reverse decision is made.

These annulments of recognition (if they are confirmed) are likely to prolong the belief among the Serbs that the process is reversible. It is a dead-end of course, but we have to wait patiently for Serbia to go all the way to the end of it, before the reconciliation can begin.

Two more nails in the coffin of Jeremić's political career.

I think Thaci needs to release more drugmoney to finance more recognitions. Perhaps some countries want to keep up the moneyflow in order not to withdraw their recognition. In other words Kosovo recognition is only for rent. No montly payments, no recognition.

What is all this Serbian propoganda fuss to do with re integrating Kosovo into Serbia? The effect of that propaganda is strengthen Albanian factor in the region and unification of all Albanians. That is what the Serbian propaganda effect!

All this talk of recognitions and revoking recognitions is a smoke screen! Its only when Belgrade and Pristina come to an agreement through talking to each other, will there be a functioning Kosovo state that can call its self legimate!! This is fact!!

This is a joke. Here is the link to guinea bissau letter from the president to Republic of Kosovo. LOL Jeremic trying to justify the bill for the NAM gathering or it must be close to election time
(une, 8 September 2011 17:44)

OK, so someone is lying here and I guess we will find out soon. For your sake, you had better hope it's Jeremic who is lying. If indeed he is not lying, this would be a crucial victory for Serbia. It certainly won't result in the US or other key Western countries revoking recognition, but if the number goes down, it's still going down not up, and that's a good thing. Further, if it's true that Albanians were bribing countries to recognize the UDI, that would be really embarrassing.

Guinea-Bissau has not revoked recognition according to Mr Pacolli who spoke on the phone with the President of Guinea-Bissau, Kosovos web portal telegrafi.com is reporting. I think it's to early to be happy on both sides even though according to international law no country can revoke recognition of knotted country.

OK, so someone is lying here and I guess we will find out soon. For your sake, you had better hope it's Jeremic who is lying. If indeed he is not lying, this would be a crucial victory for Serbia. It certainly won't result in the US or other key Western countries revoking recognition, but if the number goes down, it's still going down not up, and that's a good thing. Further, if it's true that Albanians were bribing countries to recognize the UDI, that would be really embarrassing.
(Daniel, 8 September 2011 18:22)

yes but what I think we will see soon is some new recognitions coming. Every time Jeremic makes these statements there is some thing brewing. I have seen this before with Poland, Macedonia, Cezch republic , Slovenia. this reminds of the links below

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=104193
http://glassrbije.org/E/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6691&Itemid=26
http://www.parlament.rs/Parliamentary_Questions.7660.537.html

I find these "legal opinions" from all of these "experts" in B92's comments section entirely absurd. The NAM meetings and glad handing in Belgrade has shaken Pristina. This so called nation of Kosova or Kosovo or Who-Cares-Vo had better drop this nonsense or Serbia will take it back by any means necessary.

This just illustrates what a fake state Kosovo is with no legitimate borders of its own. I'm sure Kosovo Albanians can create their own government which other countries may recognise but that does not translate into a new state comprised from another states (Serbian) territory. I alway knew those recognitions were meaningless!!
(Pearl of wisdom, 8 September 2011 19:54)

This only confirms what a joke little Vuk is. Even guests are treating him like a spoiled child, telling him what he wants to hear.

Sorry I meant to write according to international law no country can revoke recognition of another country. Sorry guys it's to late now.

@Amer

Yeah possibly there was lots of drinking and next day Mr Jeremic wakes up he thought he heard some two countries revoked recognition.

Just ask the fine people at the nearest Gabon consulate.
(Amer, 9 September 2011 12:48)

How's your knuckle?

Just asking because all these news about some Kingdom of Mbuku Mbeka are quite vague. Jeremic sez "Mbuku Mbeka did not recognize", Pacolli sez "Mbuku Mbeka did recognize" and Mbuku Mbeka sez nothing because they don't even have a MoFA or TV station.

And besides, you know what/who is behind Pacolli...

Since when are you a Serb?
(Bloody Mary, 9 September 2011 15:04)

Since both of you pulled off this out of the *** - just discuss things with Roberto.
My only role here merely is that I did find both gems worth to be put next to each other - afterwards since it's not my business anymore I wash my hands.

Now he is also FM of these two countries that "mustn't be named"?

Ye goode olde days under whom? Founder of "modern" Yugoslavia... give me a second, who was that again?
(Bloody Mary, 9 September 2011 16:32)

You only excuse is that you missed a certain past posting. Hope that's the case. Let me help you out...

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=76291

Please scroll down and you will see this:

"I wish that would happen - but than we are talking about an exemplary state union, not about Serbia as it is today. Yugoslavia clearly failed and not once - the solution is neither break up everything nor re-create a failure - but as the Founding Fathers of America envisioned: "a better union".

The problem is, one side wants to re-create the failure, the other side wants to break everything up. It is not going to work, but breaking up is easier to accomplish.

An other problem is, everyone who thinks about a "better union" is regarded with suspect to either becoming the leader of "Greater Albania", becoming a "new Tito" or some sort of "pan-slavic leader". That makes of course a negative selection process.

It has to be the wish of sufficiently large part of population first and there is not enough momentum for such thing at this moment.
(Ataman, 8 September 2011 15:50)

Hope it clarifies your concerns - and now really you have to talk to Roberto about the rest, I think.

-So which countries then are those that revoked their recognitions? Is this a state secret for now? Or maybe FM doesn't have a clue. Mr. Jeremic mouth is bigger than his entire body. Is he willing to bet his career on what he says? What a foul man. (miri, 8 September 2011 17:58)--

"Foul" is a very nice way of putting it; i can think of many less flattering adjectives.

I was wondering about this this whole phony-baloney "non-aligned" summit, as though it were serbia that was the "real" yugoslavia. so many outrages, all in one sentence. tito rolling and re-rolling in his grave.
non-aligned?! what would yr beloved put-in have to say?

but anyway it all comes out in the dirty laundry, or should i say trash: it was all really just about serbia's "Peace/Peace/Peace!!!" plan

How would it be if serbia's neighbors (understandably) began a vicious and evil international campaign to un-recognize serbia? i wonder how that would play with their pr machines...


of course in the end jeremic is made to look the fool, but... what is the net effect of this endless let-them-choke-on-nationalism on the common people? in the balkans, of all places! merde...

ciao! roberto frisco

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ooops, you're going backwards! For more laughter, (JohnBoy, 8 September 2011 22:22)

Really, we do not care about FIFA, the Olympics, or anything else for that matter, as long as that means that Serbian Government will never ever be able to create more killing fields in Kosovo.

Second, all of your historical facts are either wrong or missing. No one wanted out of Yugoslavia, until Serbia's expansionist politics began to surface, hurting everything non-Serb, in the 1980's. Read up!

In addition, I wonder if you were you laughing like this before Operation Storm in Croatia? Looks like your government's myopic policies are taking things in that direction again.

Personally, as a Kosovar, I feel bad for the fellow Kosovar Serbs of Northern Kosovo, as they are being duped, and used as pawns by Serbia.

Ataman, talking about "gems"

even Tito can be pulled out of *ss if necessary.
(Ataman, 9 September 2011 14:09)

Right you are, like this guy did:

"Your independence is as "real" as the sovereignty of Croatia, Serbia, Macedonia, CG and so on. Instead of one strong country what can sustain itself and have it's word taken seriously you guys have now a bunch of statelets quarreling with each other about the shape of, say, customs seals or the dots above the "i".
(Ataman, 5 September 2011 14:03)

Ye goode olde days under whom? Founder of "modern" Yugoslavia... give me a second, who was that again?

Well hold your horses people, somebody has been duped! we shall wait and see. If true, someone in Prsitina has to explain what happened, if not then this would be the last straw for mr wolf, he has to go.

But there is the third option, it could be that this 'diplomats' from Oman and G-B are playing both sides as it suites them.

Either way, this changes nothing other then little euphoria and numbers.
What is interesting here to see that some people have already started on the 'bubbly' prematurely in my view.

Countries that bear any significance have made it very clear, please read last weeks news. Perhaps this is a counter to the last weeks news from EU.
What this could be seen amounting to 'propaganda' at its best and ' misleading/deceiving the people' at its worst.

Truth is coming out. It's only a matter of time. Time for the wave of revokes to set in. Enjoy!
(Steve B., 8 September 2011 17:51)

Expect a lot more from the Palestinian Statehood vote, note how the nations who recognised Kosovo in the first place only did it because of political gain. However, the USA cannot recognise Kosovo while refusing to recognise Palestine while recognising Kosovo without causing an uproar (the same could be said with Britain and Scotland), So its not a far off possibility that you might get a quiet American recognition withdrawal soon (in the same way they withdrew Taiwan's recognition), considering Kosovo has in no way the strategic importance it had 10 years ago, while Israel/Palestine does it might not be unfair to expect a western revoke on recognition of the failed state.

2 more goats and pacoli had this in a bag-dancing for Col.Gadaffi looks like a song now,doe`s in it..but then when did albanians knew anything about shame..

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ooops, you're going backwards! For more laughter, (JohnBoy, 8 September 2011 22:22)

If you want to play nasty, here's one for you - you can dream on about EU membership, as Kosovo virtually now has veto power on Serbia's membership ;-)

"And besides, you know what/who is behind Pacolli...
(Ataman, 9 September 2011 13:20) "

Not Gaddafi, anyway.
(Amer, 9 September 2011 16:41)

Not him for sure. But if you look at Pacolli's web site you won't need to guess long.

1) http://www.behgjetpacolli.com
2) click on his picture (wait, isn't the cap of the military guy behind him a bit to large?)
3) click on the .PHOTOS
4) click on the "down" arrow 38 times.
5) you will see a picture of his office.

Well that is a good picture. I hosted it with Imageshack, so you can save yourself the above procedure.

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/2182/pacolli.jpg

Of course it does not prove anything - except that the one who has such decoration on the wall (presumably remembering the good old days as Yeltsin gave him the contract) - for sure does not despise that place.

That is enough for a good start - so he is not narrow-minded madman who would buy the recognitions to fuel his nationalist ego. You know of course that he has very close family ties as well, not just business ties.

This is probably reason enough, American political elite did not wanted him to lead Kosovo being afraid of conflict of interest.

The next question is why Bühler is allowed to lead KFOR despite his wife being Albanian?

No, not the usual double standard - it's because there was something around election process of Pacolli.
But hey, the 110% of votes for Thaçi were OK for Americans. ;-) Beats even Turkmenbashi's 99%

I couldn't find your link backing this up. In his blog (I don't have a link, either) he said he's not married to anybody, he's divorced, and has a German "companion" (I think that was the term) back in Germany.
(Amer, 9 September 2011 18:40)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Bühler

"Bühler wurde im bayerischen Aichach geboren und wuchs in Regensburg auf. Er ist verheiratet und hat einen Sohn."

Otherwise I had the link in German where it was said that he has PERSONAL FAMILY TIES to Kosovo. The details were withhold. I posted that link earlier around the time of the conflict around Jarinje.

I cannot find it more but it was I think in the Schwäbische Zeitung.

election time they have to fool people now cuz they are afraid of losing they have to come with something as allways before the election Kosovo is the bigges tema in serbia sins milosevic time if any political party in serbia whant to win an election have to talk about kosovo cuz they have nathing els to say is this true ohh come on did jeremic won any buttle when it come to kosovo tema can any serb comment on that plz..

I was wondering about this this whole phony-baloney "non-aligned" summit, as though it were serbia that was the "real" yugoslavia. so many outrages, all in one sentence. tito rolling and re-rolling in his grave.
non-aligned?! what would yr beloved put-in have to say?

ciao! roberto frisco
(roberto, 9 September 2011 03:38)

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http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=76264

Pan-Slavism and Socialism? In another post you were promoting Jugoslavija... Missing ye goode olde days, aren't we?
(Bloody Mary, 7 September 2011 08:42)

I think, you guys should discuss that with each other. My suspect: anything is good what even remotely makes Serbs look bad somehow - even Tito can be pulled out of *ss if necessary.

No, I don't remember сглазить, thanks for it. We could use the concept in the US
(Amer, 9 September 2011 13:12)

Major problems during the job interview in the States: HR of course does not know - and the potential Belarus / Ukrainian / Russian (or even Israeli) engineer struggles to answer the questions because either he will go against the tradition or not get the job.

Good bosses usually let the interview run by the colleagues from the former USSR. Than difficult questions like that never happen. I have probably a bag full of hilarious interview stories, many around precisely that verb. My best story was with M***a about a decade and half ago - just told the naples HR lady: for us there is no proper answer for her question. She was shocked... but accepted. Kudos to her.

I think, you guys should discuss that with each other. My suspect: anything is good what even remotely makes Serbs look bad somehow - even Tito can be pulled out of *ss if necessary.
(Ataman, 9 September 2011 14:09)

Since when are you a Serb?

"I think it's to early to be happy on both sides even though according to international law no country can revoke recognition of knotted country.
(Mendo, 8 September 2011 19:45) "

Could be, I don't know whether a country can simply stop recognizing another country, but I do know that countries have switched recognition from China to Taiwan and back (and maybe, forth, again) in return for considerable sums for "infrastructure" and "investment" and so forth.

How much of the budget for this get-together went for bubbly, I wonder? What with the excitement of being in Belgrade, and meeting Vuk Jeremic in person, and plenty of champagne, and the problem of finding enough Portuguese-Serbian interpreters for confidential chats it's no wonder if something got lost in translation. It's beginning to sound like it must have been some party. (You know the type - "I said WHAT? to WHOM? Good grief. Get me an aspirin, would you?"

Gabon has just recognized Kosovo and the president Guinea-Bissau re-confirmed that G.B. has recognized Kosovo on january 10, 2011..

During recognitions of far-away countries I said "silly games", during the reverse process I say "silly games". But fanboyz have fun. ;-)

It's not serious yet.

I assume no more hugs&kisses between Vuk and Gabon UN Ambassador at UNSC meetings Poor Vuk, every time he opens his mouth something good for Kosova happens.

"UN is just another corrupt organisation, UN missions do nothing but steal, UN was for ten years in Kosovo and Kosovo's economy was as bad as during the war"
"IMF is a maphia org basicly"
(iliri, 9 September 2011 16:01)

Blabla.. But in case it is like that (which I don't agree about), these organizations perfectly suit to Kosovo Albanians!

Reading the article and then all these comments, I am rather shocked that none of you mentioned the main fact.
Fact is that those letters(credentials-recognitions) by 81 countries so far are nothing but a mere support of Kosova's independents and a message that when voting time comes in UN council, you will have my YES vote.

Kosova or any new country can have similar letters and even exchange their ambassadors, now, from 190 countries, but the main thing is whether they will vote Yes to UN Council when the important day come? In another words, these credentials now are only a message- "Count on my YES vote for the UN Council day".

While for Kosova such "recognitions", now, are nothing but count on my support, they use these to lure other countries to give them the same support now and on the big day at UN Council. The more they do this now the better and more hopeful for the big day.

Now then, about revoking one's countries recognition. Since Kosova is not a member of UN yet, recognised by voting on UN council, then the statement of FM of Serbia, is a big fail and an insult to Serbian's people intelligence. How can someone unrecognise the unrecognisable? I could understand if he said "Despite, Count on my support" from Oman to Kosova now, we were assured by Oman that when the voting day arrives, they will veto. But to say we have stopped it or revoked it before even the voting began its totally wrong and an insult to his people's intelligence. Unless they are 100% sure that the answer of YES or NO now, it will mean the same on UN council as well.
Take Palestine for example, and this is the best current example. US President Obama, not long ago, in May 2011, supported the Palestian state and soon after this he went even further to say, that he supports with pre 1967 borders. Now can we say that Palestine is a recognised country? Of course not, it is only, as I call it "count on my support - on UN council vote". But what's happening now, the UN council day(for Palestine) is fast approaching and US Govt made it clear that it will veto Palestine state on UN Council. Can you see what I mean, my friends?
Someone else said I don't know if one can revoke one's country recognition, the simple answer is no. Once the said country is a member of UN then no one can revoke that, unless the said country herself declares that it does not exist as a country because from now on they are part of this union or part of say, another country. Serbia & MN union springs to mind.
Once a member of UN then one country can cut the ties/links, diplomatic and economic, with another country, but cannot revoke its recognition from UN.

Anyway, on another note, I wasn't appalled with Serbian's FM statement as much as with Kosova's DPM, Pacolli.
He confirmed, yet again, that he is naive and have no clue on diplomacy. But again, I don't blame him but I blame his advisors.
Having the official letter-credentials, by G Bissau, on his hand, met the President and then hearing a lie by someone, somewhere, for him to pick up a phone and to call the President of G Bisau, to see if its true, it is beyond my imaginations.
Why couldn't he or his advisors say, "well, we have the official letter with us, where G Bassau have recognised our country, and unless we receive another one, to say otherwise, then for us this is valid and official"!?.

To me this looked like two kids arguing about X person not being his friend and the other kid(Pacolli) running home crying and picking up the phone to call and confirm if he is still his(X person) friend. Very immature and undiplomatic.

Face it ... you will never get into the UN, you will never get into FIFA, you will never get to march into an Olympic stadium, and you will never get into your vaunted eu. Looked at the self declared country next to you that is celebrating its "independence" celebration. In 20 years, it got into the UN, FIFA and the Olympics AND IT STILL WENT NOWHERE. It can't even get into the eu.
(JohnBoy, 8 September 2011 22:22)

Dude, you are correct, but not relevant. If you ask an Albanian in Kosovo what do you prefer:

1. Being in the UN or being independent from Serbia ? He/She will choose the latter;
2. Being in the FIFA or being independent from Serbia ? He/She will choose the latter;
3. Being in the Olympics or being independent from Serbia ? He/she will choose the latter;
4. Being in the EU or being independent from Serbia ? He/She will choose the latter.

Note that the above are not a matter of "or", but just to make you haooy for now, let's assume it's like you say. So not sure what’s going to achieve if you tell Albanians in Kosovo that “you will never get into the UN, you will never get into FIFA, you will never get to march into an Olympic stadium, and you will never get into your vaunted eu”. Are you hopping that will convince them to be under Serbia for those “benefits” ?! You must be dreaming my friend. Actually, if they were stupid enough to be convinced to go back under Serbia, they would not be UN members anyway. So why on earth should they do it ?!!!!!! Just to please you !

(JohnBoy, 8 September 2011 22:22)

I have to give you major props. That is putting it squarely in the face of the Albanians as I've ever seen it. The problem though was Yugoslavia was a success but it was with smoke and mirrors. Just ask those of us that were lucky to get our money back after the 15%+ interest we were promised. I do agree that there were external pressures to break it up no doubt. But the 3 ring circus of Alija, Franjo and Slobo is what caused the country to collapse. All three playing on nationalistic fevor and 2 of them were unprepared (Alija even admitted it in interviews). But that's a discussion for another day...

As for Macedonia and Albania itself, where are they now? I agree, empty promises have lead to nothing for each. BTW, most Albanians in Albania don't even consider Kosovars as "true" Albanians. And the Macedonian- Albanians...lets not even go there with their really hard dialect. It's one thing if you have a few wealthy individuals to lobby and put pressures on the US and others. It's quite another story to operate an entire country....

The people who are saying the vuk jeremic is lying about oman, guinea bissau, and 2 other countries repealing the recognition of the UDI are fools. Do you really think the ministry of foreign affairs would lie about something so big and humiliate themselves by being caugh in such a lie? You UDI supporters know very well that Oman, Guinea Bissau, and two other countries are repealing their UDI recognitions. I challenghe you to find me one official statement by Guinea Bissau and Oman that states the serbian ministry of foreign affairs was lying. I challenge you!

"I think it's to early to be happy on both sides even though according to international law no country can revoke recognition of knotted country.
(Mendo, 8 September 2011 19:45) "


note "Knotted Country", withdrawing recognitions from failed states is fine, note its also illegal under intl law to unilaterally declare independence, and to recognise such declarations. These 2 states are simply putting right their wrongs

Breaking. Republic of Gabon recognizes the independence of Kosovo. Also in breaking the Kosovan Ministry of Foreign Affairs have removed Sultanate of Oman from the recognition list as they had misinterpreted the verbal note sent from the Omani ministry. So 81 recognize, plus Taiwan. 82. Serbia was right about Oman, but doesn't seem so for Guinea-Bissau, as Kosovan Vice Prime Minister confirmed with Guinean-Bissau President that they recognize Kosovo / Kosovo.

Gabon recognized Kosovo today. Funny how Serbian newspapers say nothing about that.

"You only excuse is that you missed a certain past posting. Hope that's the case."

Nope, why should it? Only because you deemed it necessary to distance yourself from your former post? And now have fun talking to yourself!

Two more nails in the coffin of Jeremić's political career.
(Fluid, 8 September 2011 20:44)

LOL! how? Because you say so? Please, these countries rescinded their recognition's end of story.

With the U.S running out of money to finance this retarded child known as 'Kosova' expect more of this to come.

However, the USA cannot recognise Kosovo while refusing to recognise Palestine while recognising Kosovo without causing an uproar (the same could be said with Britain and Scotland), So its not a far off possibility that you might get a quiet American recognition withdrawal soon (in the same way they withdrew Taiwan's recognition), considering Kosovo has in no way the strategic importance it had 10 years ago, while Israel/Palestine does it might not be unfair to expect a western revoke on recognition of the failed state.
(New Zealander, 8 September 2011 21:31)

Why it can't ? Kosovo and Palestine, as far as I know, are not the same entity. One is in Europe, the other one in the Middle East. Did that change recently and I missed it ?!

"Sorry I meant to write according to international law no country can revoke recognition of another country. Sorry guys it's to late now.

@Amer

Yeah possibly there was lots of drinking and next day Mr Jeremic wakes up he thought he heard some two countries revoked recognition.
(Mendo, 8 September 2011 22:34)"



Sorry, but accoring to international law, Kosovo independence is ILLEGAL!

Sorry guys it's to late now.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ooops, you're going backwards! For more laughter, (JohnBoy, 8 September 2011 22:22)

If you want to play nasty, here's one for you - you can dream on about EU membership, as Kosovo virtually now has veto power on Serbia's membership ;-)
(Fluid, 9 September 2011 07:26)


Outside the DS, virtually very in Serbia care much about the EU

Face it, all of you wannabe balkan nations. You were better off in Yugoslavia and you know it now. Credit goes to the Serbs who were smart enough to see through all of america's lies. Condemnation to the rest of you who were duped by americans. Imagine what an economic power Yugoslavia would be by now if, instead of breaking it up, you turned it into a western style democracy. But nooooo. you had to start making those stupid declarations of independence that were encouraged by lying americans. This is why I am so down on the american government on this website. Their propaganda for the last 70 years was that they are the beacon of democracy. They could have turned Yugoslavia into a democracy. But instead, they broke it up for their own greedy, selfish interests. america is your boat ... if it sinks, you go down with it.

(JohnBoy, 8 September 2011 22:22)

JohnBoy!!! Ncccnccccc….you’re handle sure describes the way you think – Just like a little BOY.

- Face it, all of you wannabe balkan nations.

Wannabe?! Hmm, last I checked in the state department’s web site, it is.

Let me explain one thing to you, that’s providing you can comprehend it, little BOY. Do you actually think that we Americans care what you think?! Serbia is just another drop of water in the Pacific for us. When I google it, I just see one little dot without any significance.

- Credit goes to the Serbs who were smart enough to see through all of america's lies.

- Condemnation to the rest of you who were duped by americans.

But little Johnny, we're happy!! We'll take 'duping' over dealing with you, any time of the day.

Yes, I agree; thanks to you and people that “think” like you, Serbian is just a fraction of the Yugo land.

- Beacon of democracy!!???

I know, poor Americans!!! We should have learned from you folk how democracy works. Hmmm….. but I guess that word has a different meaning in Serbia.

- They could have turned Yugoslavia into a democracy. LMAO

Do you have any idea what happened in that Yugo country that you miss so much?! Do you have any idea who started this whole mess?! Oh well, I keep forgetting that I’m talking to a little BOY. No country around you (check the map), wants to do anything with you, absolutely none. Wake up and smell your ignorance little Johnny. No one wanted to stay in that Yugo land of yours, as it has been proven for the last 30 years.

- This is why I am so down on the american government on this website.



- america is your boat ... if it sinks, you go down with it.

Hmmm, lemme think about this one!!!!! America sinks, Srebia prospers….hmmmm, damn you got me on this one!!!! GDP in US is over 14 trillion dollars; while in Serbia is less the a billion, or, is there one ?!…. You are right; I keep forgetting that ‘B’ comes before a ‘T’.

Pls say it ain’t so little Johnny!!!

@JohnBoy

FIFA? Olympic Games? as long as the corrupt government is moscow blocking Kosovo then Germany is playing the same game and blocking Serbia! there is no chance in this world that Serbia joins the EU without Kosovo's membership of the UN. And would you like puppy play? Then play the game.
And who is UN to decide whether  a country IS a country or not. The UN is only room where the great powers tease each other. And this can be proved on! over 100 children die every day from starvation in the Horn of Africa and the UN have not yet accumulated enough money to save millions from starvation. So UN is your Lover, And UN is Vuk jeremich's Best friend over seas.

According to sources 2 countries which I cannot name are revoking their rcognitions. Jeremic must be posting here under the name staff!

"I find these "legal opinions" from all of these "experts" in B92's comments section entirely absurd. The NAM meetings and glad handing in Belgrade has shaken Pristina. This so called nation of Kosova or Kosovo or Who-Cares-Vo had better drop this nonsense or Serbia will take it back by any means necessary.
(Drago"


Hahahah...let Serbia try.
If this article proves anything is how easy it is to dupe Serbs.
Let's wait and see. What will you say if Vuk ends up trying to pull a fast one?

What will you say then?

Don't worry. I don't expect an answer.

Kosovothanksyou.com just states that Oman had indeed never recognised kosovo as independent so thats that sorted

If you want to play nasty, here's one for you - you can dream on about EU membership, as Kosovo virtually now has veto power on Serbia's membership ;-)
(Fluid, 9 September 2011 07:26)

Funny that you say that because Kosovo as an Albanian state has no chance at EU membership without Serbia's explicit recognition. By the way, as far as I know, Kosovo Albanians can't even travel to EU visa free yet. What a shame. I hear it costs a lot of time and money to get a visa to the EU for your Albanian friends.

"note its also illegal under intl law to unilaterally declare independence, and to recognise such declarations. These 2 states are simply putting right their wrongs
(New Zealander, 9 September 2011 06:54) "

Forgotten the ICJ finding? There's nothing illegal under international law about declaring independence. And recognizing another state is one of the sovereign rights of any state, so it's not "against the law" for any state to recognize Kosovo. Just ask the fine people at the nearest Gabon consulate.

So much fuss about two africa countries, who cares what they think anyway, and who cares wether serbia ''fights to prevent the recognition'' and who cares about the UN...UN is just another corrupt organisation, UN missions do nothing but steal, UN was for ten years in Kosovo and Kosovo's economy was as bad as during the war, it has been two years UN is gone, and economy is doing just fine, Kosovo even had the force to ban the smuggled serbian products which payed no taxes, with domestic and imported products with the same prize which payed taxes...as for IMF, i don't think it is a success they aproved kosovo as a member, IMF is a maphia org basicly, they loan money with the worst conditions, they corrupt politicans, and the result is an enslaved three world people for many generations to come, IMF , right after they accepted Kosovo they offered kosovo a lot of money, but the parliament refused as the % was..uhm, put in simple words, robbery...

Please say it ain't so Vuk.

LOL! The albos here are really rattled judging from their comments. Well see soon. Eitherways, Thaci will forever remain the midget in his Fantasy (Illyrian) Island...

This so called nation of Kosova or Kosovo or Who-Cares-Vo had better drop this nonsense or Serbia will take it back by any means necessary.
(Drago, 8 September 2011 21:54)

What's Serbia waiting to go ahead ?

They could have turned Yugoslavia into a democracy. But instead, they broke it up for their own greedy, selfish interests. america is your boat ... if it sinks, you go down with it.
(JohnBoy, 8 September 2011 22:22)

Just what American interests precisely did it serve to have Yugoslavia disintegrate? Why would we encourage Europe to unite while wanting Yugoslavia to fall apart??

Sorry I meant to write according to international law no country can revoke recognition of another country. Sorry guys it's to late now.
(Mendo, 8 September 2011 22:34)

LOL!!! Why did Macedonia withdrew recognition of Taiwan? As we all know "International Law" is a blurry concept. I would say many dictators and politicians in countries missed the announcement from Pristina that they somehow recognised Kosovo after waking up from a white powder inspired night.

Yes, we all know elections are on their way and perhaps the DS kept a few aces up their sleeves for this very occasion.

This so called nation of Kosova or Kosovo or Who-Cares-Vo had better drop this nonsense or Serbia will take it back by any means necessary.
(Drago, 8 September 2011 21:54)

What's Serbia waiting to go ahead ?
(icj1, 9 September 2011 03:26)

My friend ICJ1
Some of these diaspora Serbs try to make us think that people of Kosovo even breath thanks to Serbia. Otherwise they very well know that signature in Kumanovo back in 1999 has discharged Serbia of these worries and means that Drago talks about. As of that day the chances for Serbia to return to Kosovo are as much as Iraq's to return to Kuwait.

another LIE from Vuk Jeremic!!!

@Amer:

The joke with Jeremic and drinks was a very good one - the problem is that we do not know, who will wake up with the headache. Do you know the verb "сглазить" by the way?

very - very important, be careful with praising newborn babies, boosting your health, or seeing your dream coming true. And if you do and/or things happen unexpectedly very good - always have a wooden desk and knock on it. If your knuckle hurts, you may get away with that pride. ;-)

Example - proper wording if you visit a family with a newborn and she looks like a future Miss Universe:

"That baby seem to be OK... hopefully her beauty will further improve... knock-knock".
If you will say that the baby looks like a young beauty - you may shock and scare the parents. Than they will knock on the desk. As people say: "чтоб' не сглазить"... just in case.

I finish here, my hand hurts today.

Mendo - you are not entirely correct. The legal position is that it would be very strange to revoke recognition and leave a territory under no sovereign authority at all. (Political nature also abhorring a vacuum.) There is no problem, however, if a state revokes recognition of Kosovo (explicitly or implicitly), by indicating that it recognises Serbian sovereignty over the territory or, more simply, recognises it within it's constitutional borders. In this regard, revoking recognition would be extremely easy. Presumably, it could be done in any of the ways in which recognition is conducted, including by simply notifying Belgrade of a decision, without even having to notify Pristina. (Although diplomatic missions, if they exist, would have to be appropriately downgraded.) Recognition remains an overtly political act that is a defining feature of sovereignty. States can extend it how the see fit. As has been pointed out already, the back and forth over China and Taiwan shows this (although, technically, that issue is about government recognition, not state recognition).

(чтоб не сглазить: knock-knock, 9 September 2011 00:14)

No, I don't remember сглазить, thanks for it. We could use the concept in the US - too many kids have never heard anything except compliments all their lives, and end up believing what they've been told and totally impossible to live with as a result.

It's my belief that the worst case scenario for Kosovo would be if so many other nations that currently recognize Kosovo's sovereignty decided (under pressure or out of their free will) to rescind their recognition for Kosovo.

As I previously stated in another site that this type of news can be considered a setback to the pro-independence Kosovars ,however,my advice to pro-independence Kosovars is to not panic (if some are panicky) and to remain optimistic that Kosovo hopefully won't be in jeopardy of losing its sovereign status or won't "officially" lose its sovereign status.

"The next question is why Bühler is allowed to lead KFOR despite his wife being Albanian?

(Ataman, 9 September 2011 17:32) "

I couldn't find your link backing this up. In his blog (I don't have a link, either) he said he's not married to anybody, he's divorced, and has a German "companion" (I think that was the term) back in Germany. And no relations with Albanian females. So, unless you have something more than Serb-supplied gossip to go on, I'm not buying it. Although, with no counter evidence, I don't expect you'll give up on something that explains his actions to your satisfaction. The fact that Kfor recognizes the Kosovo authorities as legitimate could of course have nothing to do with it, I suppose? (Check the ICG's latest http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/europe/balkans/kosovo/north-kosovo-meltdown.aspx - Belgrade was just recently suggesting that they group be more widely quoted.)

I just lie how the Serbian posters take everything that is being told to them for granted. I posted a few links about withdrawing o recognitions below look them up. Not the first time Jeremi had made a fool of himself.

As far as Lybia I recall that Gadafi was the very beat friend of Serbia same as Iran.

Malaysia was supposed to withdraw their recognition a few years back too
Macedonia the same, Czech Republic the same, Montenegro the same but nothing happendwd you know why?


It I'd a dine deal and there is no going back. K-Albanians would much rather have a underdeveloped country and work abroad and send money in then no country of their own. So keep on the hope and have a good laugh at your expense. After all Jeremic gets his salary from your tax dinnar

This is now a game that's in the hands of people with lots of clout, and we are just watching and cheering from the sidelines. No matter what any of us say pro Serbia or pro Albanian Kosovo/a, none of us has a vote or a say in this matter. We just watch and wait. I doubt Jeremic, whether you like it or not, is telling a lie. There is way too much at stake for him. I believe that he was told what he said he was told. The question now is whether the people talking to the Albanians and the Serbians are telling the truth. None of us know. It's also possible that different people from Oman or other countries are saying different things to different people. That's why we must now all wait and see. It would be better to stop being so sure of something you have no control over and be a patient bystander, for there is absolutely nothing we can do.

Sorry, but accoring to international law, Kosovo independence is ILLEGAL!

Sorry guys it's to late now.
(Predrag, 9 September 2011 05:48)

Obviously you have not read the news since July 2010... so yeah, you indeed late :)

JohnBoy!!! Ncccnccccc….you’re handle sure describes the way you think – Just like a little BOY.

- Face it, all of you wannabe balkan nations.

Wannabe?! Hmm, last I checked in the state department’s web site, it is.

Let me explain one thing to you, that’s providing you can comprehend it, little BOY. Do you actually think that we Americans care what you think?! Serbia is just another drop of water in the Pacific for us. When I google it, I just see one little dot without any significance.

- Credit goes to the Serbs who were smart enough to see through all of america's lies.

- Condemnation to the rest of you who were duped by americans.

But little Johnny, we're happy!! We'll take 'duping' over dealing with you, any time of the day.

Yes, I agree; thanks to you and people that “think” like you, Serbian is just a fraction of the Yugo land.

- Beacon of democracy!!???

I know, poor Americans!!! We should have learned from you folk how democracy works. Hmmm….. but I guess that word has a different meaning in Serbia.

- They could have turned Yugoslavia into a democracy. LMAO

Do you have any idea what happened in that Yugo country that you miss so much?! Do you have any idea who started this whole mess?! Oh well, I keep forgetting that I’m talking to a little BOY. No country around you (check the map), wants to do anything with you, absolutely none. Wake up and smell your ignorance little Johnny. No one wanted to stay in that Yugo land of yours, as it has been proven for the last 30 years.

- This is why I am so down on the american government on this website.



- america is your boat ... if it sinks, you go down with it.

Hmmm, lemme think about this one!!!!! America sinks, Srebia prospers….hmmmm, damn you got me on this one!!!! GDP in US is over 14 trillion dollars; while in Serbia is less the a billion, or, is there one ?!…. You are right; I keep forgetting that ‘B’ comes before a ‘T’.

Pls say it ain’t so little Johnny!!!
(Pls say it ain't so!!, 10 September 2011 01:08)

What a spiteful person you are. Your ignorance and hatred eminates from your post towards Serbia and Yugoslavia, that as obvious as night is to day. I do know who started it and it was not the Serbs. You seem to have a form of collective amnesia and selective history in your post. Do you remember 1981? The riots in Pristina. That was long before Milosevic. My father was in the police and he was sent to Kosovo to restore order, He always told me that the local Albanian population were giving the Serbs hell and that they hated the presence of the Yugoslav police and army but they could not say anything about it. My parents were loyal Yugoslavs and they paid the Kosovo tax from their salaries to help the people of Kosovo just like everyone else. You got billions in loans and yet you were not satisfied.

You helped to destroy Yugoslavia despite Yugoslavia helping you. I am not a Serb nor am I nationalist but I am very grateful for Serbia for what she has done for my family, allowed me to live in peace and harmony with my Serb, Jewish, Croat, Hungarian, Bosnian, Gypsy and Albanian neighbours here in Belgrade. There are no problems, everyone gets on with their normal lives- work, play, get drunk.. yet you preach hatred and distrust. Tell me this, does that happen in Pristina or in Albanian parts of Kosovo? No is doesnt, the Serbs and Roma live in ghettoes surrounded by barbed wire and guarded by NATO troops. When push comes to shove, I know which side i will be standing on. Lose the chip on your shoulder.

You are nothing but a hateful and nasty individual.

oh by the way, America is broke.

"And besides, you know what/who is behind Pacolli...
(Ataman, 9 September 2011 13:20) "

Not Gaddafi, anyway. Interesting what will happen to the African votes without Brother Leader supporting Serbia with the payments that helped them stay in power. Topic for discussion: Wither the AU without Gaddafi?

Classic knock-knock joke:
-- Knock, knock!
-- Who's there?
-- Ice cream!
-- Ice cream who?
--Ice cream[= I scream] if you don't let me in!

Also:
- Knock, knock!
- Who's there?
- Acid!
- Acid who?
- Acid down and be quiet!

( [=Aah, sit down] )

(These used to be great favorites among the pre-teen set. And my father.)

Funny that you say that because Kosovo as an Albanian state has no chance at EU membership without Serbia's explicit recognition. By the way, as far as I know, Kosovo Albanians can't even travel to EU visa free yet. What a shame. I hear it costs a lot of time and money to get a visa to the EU for your Albanian friends.
(Daniel, 9 September 2011 12:32)

Interesting Daniel. You assume that everything is black and white.

Not everything happens directly. Just like Serbia is indirectly affecting the UNSC through 2 permanent members, Kosovo will affect the EU accession process through 22 out of the 27 EU members that have recognized Kosovo.

Time will tell...

You helped to destroy Yugoslavia despite Yugoslavia helping you.
(Janez-Beograd, 11 September 2011 03:39)

Dude, if almost all other nationalities in former-Yugoslavia did not want to live in the same house with Serbs, there is nothing outsiders could have done about that. What did you want the outsiders do ? Force the other nationalies live in the same house with Serbs, even though they did not want to ?!