KFOR, Serbs block roads in northern Kosovo

I admire the bravery of my Serbian brothers and sisters in Kosovo. Harassed by both albanians and americans. Keep fighting for your rights and let the occupiers know that we will never leave our land.

Just about the right time for the NATO cowards to lit the Balkan powder keg again. Bogged down in the middle east, bogged down in Libya and israel pushing it´s proxies to "stay the course" and continue right on to Syria and Iran....

“We are scared for our safety because KFOR wants to surround us with wire, to make us live in a ghetto. We will not allow that and we will stand up to it with peaceful and democratic means,” said RADENKO.

It's shame for him (Radenko), because all of us, know where is the problem. The problem is organised crime. In north of Kosovo we have some criminals and some leaders who don't want rules of law. Most of Serbs' leaders in this area are corrupted and are very close with criminals.

The Albanian trolls at it again, always the excuse is criminals in the north. Why doesn’t KFOR take action against the rest of Kosovo where criminality is so rife that even the mafia admires the organization?
The Americans are trying to break the dead lock but they are very afraid of going too far and stand back thinking their very presence will frighten the Serbs. This can go on for years but I know that the US is getting more and more desperate but is very afraid to use force because even these knuckleheads have learn a thing or two in their failures in Iraq and Afghanistan.
To the Americans that think they are so smart, you are not to get your way. You see Tadic is a captive of his own stupidity and cannot control the situation.

Team, why is Pristina so persistent on having a presence in N. KiM? The Serbs there want nothing to do with the Albanians. They do not want to be integrated into the UDI Albanian state. Just like Albanians kept saying let the people decide, when KiM was under Serbs rule, allow the prople in N. KiM decide too. Would that not be fair, and put and end to these senseless quarrels. If there are so many criminals in the N. KiM, that the Albanians are so upset about, then stay out of the North and leave them alone, simple. Doesn't Pristina have bigger problems in the South anyway? I would say that there is a bit more crime going on there.

“We are scared for our safety because KFOR wants to surround us with wire, to make us live in a ghetto. We will not allow that and we will stand up to it with peaceful and democratic means,” he pointed out.

No need to be scared, since you are in no danger whatsoe evr, but KFOR is only blocking all routes where criminal gangs use them for illegal smuggling and bringing weapons to arm Serb criminals.

"Nedeljković has warned that KFOR and EULEX will bear responsibility if violence escalates in the north of the province because they are responsible for security in the area."

Yes if course! All these guys want is SLLOBODA....))

What are you BS'ing about, Agim. The Serbs in N. KiM certainly are in danger. How many thousands have been driven from their homes by the Albanians? How many Serbs have been killed, had their graveyards desecrated, beaten by KPS, churches destroyed. and on and on. Just now a Serbian bus was stoned bt Albanians. Take your dark glasses off, Agim and look at the reality in MiM. Serbs have their very existence in KiM to worry about. Be a an honest man, Agim, Albanians are supposedly honorable people, and be truthful. The Serbs have much to fear in KiM, because the Albanians there would love to clear all of them out, and create an ethnically clean KiM of all but Albanians, or to have Pristina rule over them like Belgrade did over Albanians in years past. If you say anything else, you are not an honest person.

More and more Serbian villages are coral-ed by barb wire ,more and more resembling concentration camps from WWII . Do they feel safe , as much as in WWII I guess.

"More and more Serbian villages are coral-ed by barb wire ,more and more resembling concentration camps from WWII . Do they feel safe , as much as in WWII I guess."
(Milan, 4 September 2011 17:02)

No, it's totally different: The Serbian villages and religious places in Kosovo have to protected from their 'peaceful' Albanian neighbors, that's why barb wire is needed, not to lock the Serbs in.

Winston....
I am sure, you didn't visit North of Kosovo, at least 20 years. If you really think, people in this area are under Serbian rule's law, you are wrong. They live without rules of law. I see them every day. I see some leaders and some 'directors', I see criminals, I see all of them. They are 'connected'. I am scared, because my children will grow up in this environment. It's easy to live in Belgrade and to write patriotic phrases from there.... Come here, and you will see how is to be a honest Serbian, in Kosovo North.

The Americans are trying to break the dead lock but they are very afraid of going too far and stand back thinking their very presence will frighten the Serbs. This can go on for years but I know that the US is getting more and more desperate but is very afraid to use force because even these knuckleheads have learn a thing or two in their failures in Iraq and Afghanistan.
To the Americans that think they are so smart, you are not to get your way. You see Tadic is a captive of his own stupidity and cannot control the situation.
(sj, 4 September 2011 14:34)

sj, you forgot to give us the customary update about the American deaths in Iraq and Afganistan - I'm sure the whole forum was in suspense waiting for your information about that since your sources are the most precise in the world. I know I'm asking you something not related to the topic, but you usually don't care about that.

winston,
you seem to ignore that north mitrovica was mainly albanian before and it is only due to the ethnic clansing that serbs did that now serbs are dominat there.You can foreget this detail,but not all the albanians that are still refugee in their proper state!So do not expect that the problem of north will be easly finished. In a comprehensive way,we are waiting to see how the internationals are coping for an acceptable solution,but you do know that even our legendary patience has an end!

In response, the Serbs blocked Kosovska Mitrovica-Raška road last night near the village of Rudare but after an hour opened one lane for traffic.

The Kosovska Mitrovica District head said the Serbs were upset but “determined to remain consistent and calm and to persist in their decision not to allow the administrative line between northern Kosovo and central Serbia to be blocked”.


And how does blocking a road unblocks the administrative line (other than further blocking it) ?! I undestand Serbs are upset, but they should not loose their mind :)

" Just like Albanians kept saying let the people decide, when KiM was under Serbs rule, allow the prople in N. KiM decide too."

So what is the principle here? Are Serbs now for self-determination?

Or is it the same old: " that which we Serbs have is ours, but we can negotiate about your stuff".

This is what happens when you don't stick to principles. If kfor blocks roads, the Serbs should block more roads. If kfor refuses to follow 1244, Serbia should annul the military agreement and move the VS right up to those so-called "customs posts". The us is headed for an historic face slapping in the GA for trying to block Palestinian entry into the un while insisting on kosovo entry. You are going to see over 100 countries vote against the us.

"This is what happens when you don't stick to principles. If kfor blocks roads, the Serbs should block more roads. If kfor refuses to follow 1244, Serbia should annul the military agreement and move the VS right up to those so-called "customs posts"."

KFOR soldiers stopped the fuel trucks at the ABL executing UNMIK legal regulation according to which DOG 33 is an unauthorized BCP. This regulation is valid since the year 2001. Access of commercial traffic to Kosovo through DOG 33 is illegal and has to be denied.

Team, why is Pristina so persistent on having a presence in N. KiM? The Serbs there want nothing to do with the Albanians.
(Winston, 4 September 2011 17:13)

And that's fine. N. KiM just needs to declare independence from Kosovo, which it has not done so far. So, I'm not sure where did you find that Serbs there want nothing to do with the Albanians.

And that's fine. N. KiM just needs to declare independence from Kosovo, which it has not done so far. So, I'm not sure where did you find that Serbs there want nothing to do with the Albanians.
(icj1, 4 September 2011 21:32)

Here we are in the presence of an Albo genius- Kosovo is Serbian mate and it will stay that way so 12 going on 13 years of stagnation with no changes. I wonder if the US will be stupid enough to start something in Kosovo against the Serbs – my gut feeling says yes they are very stupid. But I was told just recently that the so called Russian volunteers that arrived there were not all ordinary people concerned with their brother Serbs but military personnel getting the layout of the land, but this is also not on the website of the US or UK governments.
Oh total US deaths to date covering both Iraq and Afghanistan is 16,456 with 105,324 wounded. I would not take too much notice of official US websites as its not a good look to have the superior army looking weak and vulnerable.

Oh total US deaths to date covering both Iraq and Afghanistan is 16,456 with 105,324 wounded. I would not take too much notice of official US websites as its not a good look to have the superior army looking weak and vulnerable.
(sj, 5 September 2011 15:20)

"Official" Soviet losses in Afghanistan (add 300%):

The total irrecoverable personnel losses of the Soviet Armed Forces, frontier, and internal security troops came to 14,453. Soviet Army formations, units, and HQ elements lost 13,833, KGB sub-units lost 572, MVD formations lost 28, and other ministries and departments lost 20 men. During this period 417 servicemen were missing in action or taken prisoner; 119 of these were later freed, of whom 97 returned to the USSR and 22 went to other countries, the rest were murdered by their captors.

Of the troops deployed, 53,753 (11.44 percent) were wounded, injured, or sustained concussion and 415,932 (88.56 percent) fell sick. A high proportion of casualties were those who fell ill. This was because of local climatic and sanitary conditions, which were such that acute infections spread rapidly among the troops. There were 115,308 cases of infectious hepatitis, 31,080 of typhoid fever, and 140,665 of other diseases. Of the 11,654 who were discharged from the army after being wounded, maimed, or contracting serious diseases, 92 percent, or 10,751 men, were left disabled.

Material losses were as follows:

451 aircraft (includes 333 helicopters)
147 tanks
1,314 IFV/APCs
433 artillery guns and mortars
11,369 cargo and fuel tanker trucks.

For any further questions: Watch "9 Рота" (it is really worth it!!!)

This is what happens when you don't stick to principles. If kfor blocks roads, the Serbs should block more roads. If kfor refuses to follow 1244, Serbia should annul the military agreement and move the VS right up to those so-called "customs posts". The us is headed for an historic face slapping in the GA for trying to block Palestinian entry into the un while insisting on kosovo entry. You are going to see over 100 countries vote against the us.
(JohnBoy, 4 September 2011 23:28)

JohnBoy, you are absolutely right… The only thing is that Serbs are not the authority which can decide whether KFOR violated 1244 or not. That can be decided by the UNSC or the UNGA can ask the ICJ an opinion on the matter. In addition, the military agreement is part of 1244 and only the UNSC can change that and, unfortunately for Serbia, it is out of Serbia’s control what the UNSC will decide.

@ (sj, 5 September 2011 15:20)
First of all, I think you quoted the wrong post, since everything you said had nothing to do with what I posted at (icj1, 4 September 2011 21:32). Regardless, your posting is still very interesting and thus it is worth discussing.



I wonder if the US will be stupid enough to start something in Kosovo against the Serbs – my gut feeling says yes they are very stupid.
(sj, 5 September 2011 15:20)

Why should US start anything against Serbs ?! Serbs support the 1244 and thus they support KFOR which is there under 1244 and thus they support the US troops which are there under KFOR.



But I was told just recently that the so called Russian volunteers that arrived there were not all ordinary people concerned with their brother Serbs but military personnel getting the layout of the land, but this is also not on the website of the US or UK governments.
(sj, 5 September 2011 15:20)

That’s great news (of course with the customary caution since it's coming from you and almost every "fact" of yours has been wrong so far). Hopefully Russia can feed them and they don’t end up as their colleagues before. In any case, I’m sure that KFOR units will be sympathetic and will give them something to eat and won’t let them starve.



Oh total US deaths to date covering both Iraq and Afghanistan is 16,456 with 105,324 wounded. I would not take too much notice of official US websites as its not a good look to have the superior army looking weak and vulnerable.
(sj, 5 September 2011 15:20)

You are correct. We don’t have to take too much notice of official US websites (or any other source for that matter, official or not). Your numbers (even though they most likely are wrong as almost all of your “facts”) are sufficient to demonstrate that these were two of the most successful wars in history if only 17k soldiers were killed compared to the hundreds of thousands of soldiers that the US deployed. I can’t recall any other wars in history where such a small portion of the forces involved was killed.

Compare it to, for example, the Red Army during WW2. At its peak the Ready Army had about 12.5 M soldiers, but lost about 10.7 M soldiers during the war. Everybody would agree that the Red Army had a great victory in WW2. However, if that was great, I’m not sure what to call the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I admire the bravery of my Serbian brothers and sisters in Kosovo. Harassed by both albanians and americans. Keep fighting for your rights and let the occupiers know that we will never leave our land.

“We are scared for our safety because KFOR wants to surround us with wire, to make us live in a ghetto. We will not allow that and we will stand up to it with peaceful and democratic means,” he pointed out.

No need to be scared, since you are in no danger whatsoe evr, but KFOR is only blocking all routes where criminal gangs use them for illegal smuggling and bringing weapons to arm Serb criminals.

“We are scared for our safety because KFOR wants to surround us with wire, to make us live in a ghetto. We will not allow that and we will stand up to it with peaceful and democratic means,” said RADENKO.

It's shame for him (Radenko), because all of us, know where is the problem. The problem is organised crime. In north of Kosovo we have some criminals and some leaders who don't want rules of law. Most of Serbs' leaders in this area are corrupted and are very close with criminals.

"Nedeljković has warned that KFOR and EULEX will bear responsibility if violence escalates in the north of the province because they are responsible for security in the area."

Yes if course! All these guys want is SLLOBODA....))

The Albanian trolls at it again, always the excuse is criminals in the north. Why doesn’t KFOR take action against the rest of Kosovo where criminality is so rife that even the mafia admires the organization?
The Americans are trying to break the dead lock but they are very afraid of going too far and stand back thinking their very presence will frighten the Serbs. This can go on for years but I know that the US is getting more and more desperate but is very afraid to use force because even these knuckleheads have learn a thing or two in their failures in Iraq and Afghanistan.
To the Americans that think they are so smart, you are not to get your way. You see Tadic is a captive of his own stupidity and cannot control the situation.

Just about the right time for the NATO cowards to lit the Balkan powder keg again. Bogged down in the middle east, bogged down in Libya and israel pushing it´s proxies to "stay the course" and continue right on to Syria and Iran....

What are you BS'ing about, Agim. The Serbs in N. KiM certainly are in danger. How many thousands have been driven from their homes by the Albanians? How many Serbs have been killed, had their graveyards desecrated, beaten by KPS, churches destroyed. and on and on. Just now a Serbian bus was stoned bt Albanians. Take your dark glasses off, Agim and look at the reality in MiM. Serbs have their very existence in KiM to worry about. Be a an honest man, Agim, Albanians are supposedly honorable people, and be truthful. The Serbs have much to fear in KiM, because the Albanians there would love to clear all of them out, and create an ethnically clean KiM of all but Albanians, or to have Pristina rule over them like Belgrade did over Albanians in years past. If you say anything else, you are not an honest person.

The Americans are trying to break the dead lock but they are very afraid of going too far and stand back thinking their very presence will frighten the Serbs. This can go on for years but I know that the US is getting more and more desperate but is very afraid to use force because even these knuckleheads have learn a thing or two in their failures in Iraq and Afghanistan.
To the Americans that think they are so smart, you are not to get your way. You see Tadic is a captive of his own stupidity and cannot control the situation.
(sj, 4 September 2011 14:34)

sj, you forgot to give us the customary update about the American deaths in Iraq and Afganistan - I'm sure the whole forum was in suspense waiting for your information about that since your sources are the most precise in the world. I know I'm asking you something not related to the topic, but you usually don't care about that.

More and more Serbian villages are coral-ed by barb wire ,more and more resembling concentration camps from WWII . Do they feel safe , as much as in WWII I guess.

Team, why is Pristina so persistent on having a presence in N. KiM? The Serbs there want nothing to do with the Albanians. They do not want to be integrated into the UDI Albanian state. Just like Albanians kept saying let the people decide, when KiM was under Serbs rule, allow the prople in N. KiM decide too. Would that not be fair, and put and end to these senseless quarrels. If there are so many criminals in the N. KiM, that the Albanians are so upset about, then stay out of the North and leave them alone, simple. Doesn't Pristina have bigger problems in the South anyway? I would say that there is a bit more crime going on there.

Winston....
I am sure, you didn't visit North of Kosovo, at least 20 years. If you really think, people in this area are under Serbian rule's law, you are wrong. They live without rules of law. I see them every day. I see some leaders and some 'directors', I see criminals, I see all of them. They are 'connected'. I am scared, because my children will grow up in this environment. It's easy to live in Belgrade and to write patriotic phrases from there.... Come here, and you will see how is to be a honest Serbian, in Kosovo North.

winston,
you seem to ignore that north mitrovica was mainly albanian before and it is only due to the ethnic clansing that serbs did that now serbs are dominat there.You can foreget this detail,but not all the albanians that are still refugee in their proper state!So do not expect that the problem of north will be easly finished. In a comprehensive way,we are waiting to see how the internationals are coping for an acceptable solution,but you do know that even our legendary patience has an end!

In response, the Serbs blocked Kosovska Mitrovica-Raška road last night near the village of Rudare but after an hour opened one lane for traffic.

The Kosovska Mitrovica District head said the Serbs were upset but “determined to remain consistent and calm and to persist in their decision not to allow the administrative line between northern Kosovo and central Serbia to be blocked”.


And how does blocking a road unblocks the administrative line (other than further blocking it) ?! I undestand Serbs are upset, but they should not loose their mind :)

Team, why is Pristina so persistent on having a presence in N. KiM? The Serbs there want nothing to do with the Albanians.
(Winston, 4 September 2011 17:13)

And that's fine. N. KiM just needs to declare independence from Kosovo, which it has not done so far. So, I'm not sure where did you find that Serbs there want nothing to do with the Albanians.

"More and more Serbian villages are coral-ed by barb wire ,more and more resembling concentration camps from WWII . Do they feel safe , as much as in WWII I guess."
(Milan, 4 September 2011 17:02)

No, it's totally different: The Serbian villages and religious places in Kosovo have to protected from their 'peaceful' Albanian neighbors, that's why barb wire is needed, not to lock the Serbs in.

This is what happens when you don't stick to principles. If kfor blocks roads, the Serbs should block more roads. If kfor refuses to follow 1244, Serbia should annul the military agreement and move the VS right up to those so-called "customs posts". The us is headed for an historic face slapping in the GA for trying to block Palestinian entry into the un while insisting on kosovo entry. You are going to see over 100 countries vote against the us.

And that's fine. N. KiM just needs to declare independence from Kosovo, which it has not done so far. So, I'm not sure where did you find that Serbs there want nothing to do with the Albanians.
(icj1, 4 September 2011 21:32)

Here we are in the presence of an Albo genius- Kosovo is Serbian mate and it will stay that way so 12 going on 13 years of stagnation with no changes. I wonder if the US will be stupid enough to start something in Kosovo against the Serbs – my gut feeling says yes they are very stupid. But I was told just recently that the so called Russian volunteers that arrived there were not all ordinary people concerned with their brother Serbs but military personnel getting the layout of the land, but this is also not on the website of the US or UK governments.
Oh total US deaths to date covering both Iraq and Afghanistan is 16,456 with 105,324 wounded. I would not take too much notice of official US websites as its not a good look to have the superior army looking weak and vulnerable.

" Just like Albanians kept saying let the people decide, when KiM was under Serbs rule, allow the prople in N. KiM decide too."

So what is the principle here? Are Serbs now for self-determination?

Or is it the same old: " that which we Serbs have is ours, but we can negotiate about your stuff".

"This is what happens when you don't stick to principles. If kfor blocks roads, the Serbs should block more roads. If kfor refuses to follow 1244, Serbia should annul the military agreement and move the VS right up to those so-called "customs posts"."

KFOR soldiers stopped the fuel trucks at the ABL executing UNMIK legal regulation according to which DOG 33 is an unauthorized BCP. This regulation is valid since the year 2001. Access of commercial traffic to Kosovo through DOG 33 is illegal and has to be denied.

Oh total US deaths to date covering both Iraq and Afghanistan is 16,456 with 105,324 wounded. I would not take too much notice of official US websites as its not a good look to have the superior army looking weak and vulnerable.
(sj, 5 September 2011 15:20)

"Official" Soviet losses in Afghanistan (add 300%):

The total irrecoverable personnel losses of the Soviet Armed Forces, frontier, and internal security troops came to 14,453. Soviet Army formations, units, and HQ elements lost 13,833, KGB sub-units lost 572, MVD formations lost 28, and other ministries and departments lost 20 men. During this period 417 servicemen were missing in action or taken prisoner; 119 of these were later freed, of whom 97 returned to the USSR and 22 went to other countries, the rest were murdered by their captors.

Of the troops deployed, 53,753 (11.44 percent) were wounded, injured, or sustained concussion and 415,932 (88.56 percent) fell sick. A high proportion of casualties were those who fell ill. This was because of local climatic and sanitary conditions, which were such that acute infections spread rapidly among the troops. There were 115,308 cases of infectious hepatitis, 31,080 of typhoid fever, and 140,665 of other diseases. Of the 11,654 who were discharged from the army after being wounded, maimed, or contracting serious diseases, 92 percent, or 10,751 men, were left disabled.

Material losses were as follows:

451 aircraft (includes 333 helicopters)
147 tanks
1,314 IFV/APCs
433 artillery guns and mortars
11,369 cargo and fuel tanker trucks.

For any further questions: Watch "9 Рота" (it is really worth it!!!)

This is what happens when you don't stick to principles. If kfor blocks roads, the Serbs should block more roads. If kfor refuses to follow 1244, Serbia should annul the military agreement and move the VS right up to those so-called "customs posts". The us is headed for an historic face slapping in the GA for trying to block Palestinian entry into the un while insisting on kosovo entry. You are going to see over 100 countries vote against the us.
(JohnBoy, 4 September 2011 23:28)

JohnBoy, you are absolutely right… The only thing is that Serbs are not the authority which can decide whether KFOR violated 1244 or not. That can be decided by the UNSC or the UNGA can ask the ICJ an opinion on the matter. In addition, the military agreement is part of 1244 and only the UNSC can change that and, unfortunately for Serbia, it is out of Serbia’s control what the UNSC will decide.

@ (sj, 5 September 2011 15:20)
First of all, I think you quoted the wrong post, since everything you said had nothing to do with what I posted at (icj1, 4 September 2011 21:32). Regardless, your posting is still very interesting and thus it is worth discussing.



I wonder if the US will be stupid enough to start something in Kosovo against the Serbs – my gut feeling says yes they are very stupid.
(sj, 5 September 2011 15:20)

Why should US start anything against Serbs ?! Serbs support the 1244 and thus they support KFOR which is there under 1244 and thus they support the US troops which are there under KFOR.



But I was told just recently that the so called Russian volunteers that arrived there were not all ordinary people concerned with their brother Serbs but military personnel getting the layout of the land, but this is also not on the website of the US or UK governments.
(sj, 5 September 2011 15:20)

That’s great news (of course with the customary caution since it's coming from you and almost every "fact" of yours has been wrong so far). Hopefully Russia can feed them and they don’t end up as their colleagues before. In any case, I’m sure that KFOR units will be sympathetic and will give them something to eat and won’t let them starve.



Oh total US deaths to date covering both Iraq and Afghanistan is 16,456 with 105,324 wounded. I would not take too much notice of official US websites as its not a good look to have the superior army looking weak and vulnerable.
(sj, 5 September 2011 15:20)

You are correct. We don’t have to take too much notice of official US websites (or any other source for that matter, official or not). Your numbers (even though they most likely are wrong as almost all of your “facts”) are sufficient to demonstrate that these were two of the most successful wars in history if only 17k soldiers were killed compared to the hundreds of thousands of soldiers that the US deployed. I can’t recall any other wars in history where such a small portion of the forces involved was killed.

Compare it to, for example, the Red Army during WW2. At its peak the Ready Army had about 12.5 M soldiers, but lost about 10.7 M soldiers during the war. Everybody would agree that the Red Army had a great victory in WW2. However, if that was great, I’m not sure what to call the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.