"Customs stamp agreement represents status neutral solution"

Sure man!

Now you accept the same customs stamps that for 3 years you refused to accept.

If the stamps are status neutral and have nothing to to with Kosovo's statehood why don't you have the same agreement with Vojvodina, Stefanovicu?

@Borko,the head of Serbian Team

Why don't you tell your people that today; KFOR just handed over all competances to Kosova authorites to control the country's border with Montenegro, and next will be the border with Serbia. By the way, this means all KFOR forces will be focused between the border of Kosova&Serbia, since there is no need for our three other neighbors(Albanian, Macedoni&MNE). Serbia is next.

It has been arrived the time of the liars...

Looks like Thaci & Co. planned this one well...

But again, everyone would have done the same thing knowing that Serbia only listens when stuck between a rock and a hard place.

This is really funny.
The stamps of Kosovo Costumes are the same...and of course step by step you are recognizing the independence... but why you are laying to your people???

If the customs stamps agreement was status neutral, then why did it take Serbia over three years to agree to it?

This is the exact same thing Kosovo set up over three years ago. Why should it take three years for Serbia to agree to something which is apparently "status neutral"?

It was well expected of Serbia to dress this up as a "victory" in the media even though Kosovo has not changed it's stance, Kosovo has agreed to something it chose back in 2008. Who is the real victor? Belgrade are making out they're the victors because according to them it is in line with UNSCR 1244. They're the exact same stamps as back in 2008, if they're apparently in line with UNSCR 1244 now then why weren't they in line with UNSCR 1244 back in 2008? Does this mean that Serbia has accepted that it has been violating UNSCR 1244 until now over the customs stamps?

Double standards!

Pathetic!

I am just curios to know if Kosovo delegation still looking like ET to you now.

Serbia accepted a stamp that says "Kosovo Customs" while the Albanians where using the custom stamp "Customs of the Republic of Kosovo" for the past three years. So it is the Albanians who gave in. get your facts straight!
(Anonymous, 3 September 2011 22:12)

Anonymous
Can you post any link showing stamp that actually says: Customs of Republic of Kosovo? As far as I did see there is no such stamp. I have only seen the stamp with Kosovo Customs in all three languages.

@Ivan
If the stamps arent status neutral then why is Kosovo NOT referred to as a state? And why are they crossings referred to as administrative and not border crossings?.

By the way to all the Albanians who keep saying Serbia just accepted the same custom stamp Kosovo has been using for the past three years, your wrong. Serbia accepted a stamp that says "Kosovo Customs" while the Albanians where using the custom stamp "Customs of the Republic of Kosovo" for the past three years. So it is the Albanians who gave in. get your facts straight!

By the way to all the Albanians who keep saying Serbia just accepted the same custom stamp Kosovo has been using for the past three years, your wrong. Serbia accepted a stamp that says "Kosovo Customs" while the Albanians where using the custom stamp "Customs of the Republic of Kosovo" for the past three years. So it is the Albanians who gave in. get your facts straight!
(Anonymous, 3 September 2011 22:12)

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9660/79557433.jpg

By the way to all the Albanians who keep saying Serbia just accepted the same custom stamp Kosovo has been using for the past three years, your wrong. Serbia accepted a stamp that says "Kosovo Customs" while the Albanians where using the custom stamp "Customs of the Republic of Kosovo" for the past three years. So it is the Albanians who gave in. get your facts straight!
(Anonymous, 3 September 2011 22:12)

Ha, ha, ha... Your "facts". There never existed or exists a stamp reading "Customs of the Republic of Kosovo". In November 2008, after Kosovo's UDI, the customs stamp was changed from "UNMIK Customs" to "Kosovo Customs". There are many sources in internet where you can easily find that. But let's go to the official one, the UNSG report to the Security Council in document S/2009/300 (paragraph 39):

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N09/360/78/PDF/N0936078.pdf

"In order to resolve difficulties in the implementation of the Central European Free Trade Agreement (CEFTA) caused by the introduction of new customs stamps by the Kosovo Customs Director-General at the end of November 2008, UNMIK, as party to the Agreement, communicated to the other CEFTA parties a set of specimen impressions of “Kosovo Customs” stamps"

Any customs stamp cannot be status neutral, since the mere existence of a stamp implies a state. What customs stamps do you use for products from Belgrade that are sold elsewhere in Serbia?

Serbia in a very real way recognized Kosovo when they banned "imports" from Kosovo 3 years ago. What they should have said (assuming they were trying to not recognize Kosovo) is that things produced in Kosovo are not imports, but rather made in Serbia, and they should have allowed those products to be freely sold throughout Serbia, but of course that would have helped Kosovo's economy, which they didn't want.

You can't have it both ways. You can't keep saying that Kosovo is Serbia, but then treat it as if it is not. Are you giving passports to Albanians from Kosovo? Are you letting them vote in Serbian elections? Are you providing them the same economic incentives that you are providing to the people of Serbia (or the Serbians in Kosovo)? Serbia says in its rhetoric that Kosovo is Serbia, but its actions clearly say that Kosovo is independent.

''By the way to all the Albanians who keep saying Serbia just accepted the same custom stamp Kosovo has been using for the past three years, your wrong. Serbia accepted a stamp that says "Kosovo Customs" while the Albanians where using the custom stamp "Customs of the Republic of Kosovo" for the past three years. So it is the Albanians who gave in. get your facts straight!
(Anonymous, 3 September 2011 22:12) ''

Of course albanians gave in :)are you happy now ? :)))))

I think the kosovarian side had to make shortings, because there is this fat blonde woman, that thinks she has to decide whats best for kosovos future! If its for me, I wouldnt talk with no serb, till you apologize for the war crimes you did to my fellow people!

so lets see... kosovo goods can now go into and THROUGH serbia into other countries?

I look forward to serbia adding a 6 inch neon rainbow colored holographic stamp drawing attention to the accompanying 30 pages of documentation scotch taped to every box of crackers that passes through explaining how its not representative at all of any change by serbia and that the status-neutral box of crackers you are eating still in fact come from, and the money you paid still goes to... a country that does not exist.

goods for the serbian market will of course get an extra "kosovo customs is serbia" photo of a 2 thumbs up milosovic t-shirt stuffed into every box.

winning!

"If the stamps are status neutral and have nothing to to with Kosovo's statehood why don't you have the same agreement with Vojvodina, Stefanovicu?"
(ivan, 3 September 2011 18:25)

Because Vojvodina is not governed by simpleton politicians who only care for their own pockets and symbolism instead of addressing the real everyday problems of the people living there, like it is the case in Kosovo.

You can't keep saying that Kosovo is Serbia, but then treat it as if it is not. Are you giving passports to Albanians from Kosovo? Are you letting them vote in Serbian elections? Are you providing them the same economic incentives that you are providing to the people of Serbia (or the Serbians in Kosovo)? Serbia says in its rhetoric that Kosovo is Serbia, but its actions clearly say that Kosovo is independent.
(Glenn, 4 September 2011 09:00)

Well they offer all those things to the Kosovo Albanians, so I'm not sure what your on about, and the number of Albanians which apply for Serbian Passports each day shows that even they accept that they are not a proper state

I love these Albanians, they think if they let Thaci keep some stamps they claim Serbia has recognised Kosovo as independent.
Those stamps are worthless and if you like I’ll send you guys a blank piece of paper and you can stamp to your hearts content.
Let me remind you people that EVERY state in the US has its own stamps and insignia. Same applies to Germany so this business of stamps is irrelevant, but had the Serbian Government accepted the Kosovo insignia then it’s something of concern.
Let me also tell you this, once its put to bed, this is stamp crap will not be revisited so you Albanians have gained absolutely nothing except Thaci tell the thousands of ignorant in Kosovo that he has won.

"Well they offer all those things to the Kosovo Albanians"

In theory, yes. But since all the Policiske Uprave from Kosovo are in Serbia, an Albanian can't apply for a passport unless he or she already has valid, non-expired Jugoslav ID.

Also, Kosovo Albanians were applying for Serbian passports so they could take advantage of the white schengen status.

However, Serbia gives different passports to Kosovo Albanians (did you know that?), that aren't valid for visa-free travel. So, basically this creates a big black-market for documents in the south of Serbia, people selling "addresses" in Serbia proper, so they can take advantage of visa-free travel.

We'll be seeing a lot of this from Serbs applying for Croatian passports when Croatia joins the EU

Hmmmm, a very interesting statement!!!! I'm guessing you head the so called "the Policijske Uprave"?

The only Albanians that 'might' be applying for a Serb passport are the business people. I don't see a need to have one of them,
as we can get visas to any country, including EU and US, and that up to 10 years.

So give it up already, we don't need you and you don't need us; a perfect divorce...

Pls say it ain't so!!!

@Ivan
If the stamps arent status neutral then why is Kosovo NOT referred to as a state? And why are they crossings referred to as administrative and not border crossings?.

By the way to all the Albanians who keep saying Serbia just accepted the same custom stamp Kosovo has been using for the past three years, your wrong. Serbia accepted a stamp that says "Kosovo Customs" while the Albanians where using the custom stamp "Customs of the Republic of Kosovo" for the past three years. So it is the Albanians who gave in. get your facts straight!

Sure man!

Now you accept the same customs stamps that for 3 years you refused to accept.

If the stamps are status neutral and have nothing to to with Kosovo's statehood why don't you have the same agreement with Vojvodina, Stefanovicu?

@Borko,the head of Serbian Team

Why don't you tell your people that today; KFOR just handed over all competances to Kosova authorites to control the country's border with Montenegro, and next will be the border with Serbia. By the way, this means all KFOR forces will be focused between the border of Kosova&Serbia, since there is no need for our three other neighbors(Albanian, Macedoni&MNE). Serbia is next.

Looks like Thaci & Co. planned this one well...

But again, everyone would have done the same thing knowing that Serbia only listens when stuck between a rock and a hard place.

This is really funny.
The stamps of Kosovo Costumes are the same...and of course step by step you are recognizing the independence... but why you are laying to your people???

Any customs stamp cannot be status neutral, since the mere existence of a stamp implies a state. What customs stamps do you use for products from Belgrade that are sold elsewhere in Serbia?

Serbia in a very real way recognized Kosovo when they banned "imports" from Kosovo 3 years ago. What they should have said (assuming they were trying to not recognize Kosovo) is that things produced in Kosovo are not imports, but rather made in Serbia, and they should have allowed those products to be freely sold throughout Serbia, but of course that would have helped Kosovo's economy, which they didn't want.

You can't have it both ways. You can't keep saying that Kosovo is Serbia, but then treat it as if it is not. Are you giving passports to Albanians from Kosovo? Are you letting them vote in Serbian elections? Are you providing them the same economic incentives that you are providing to the people of Serbia (or the Serbians in Kosovo)? Serbia says in its rhetoric that Kosovo is Serbia, but its actions clearly say that Kosovo is independent.

I am just curios to know if Kosovo delegation still looking like ET to you now.

I think the kosovarian side had to make shortings, because there is this fat blonde woman, that thinks she has to decide whats best for kosovos future! If its for me, I wouldnt talk with no serb, till you apologize for the war crimes you did to my fellow people!

I love these Albanians, they think if they let Thaci keep some stamps they claim Serbia has recognised Kosovo as independent.
Those stamps are worthless and if you like I’ll send you guys a blank piece of paper and you can stamp to your hearts content.
Let me remind you people that EVERY state in the US has its own stamps and insignia. Same applies to Germany so this business of stamps is irrelevant, but had the Serbian Government accepted the Kosovo insignia then it’s something of concern.
Let me also tell you this, once its put to bed, this is stamp crap will not be revisited so you Albanians have gained absolutely nothing except Thaci tell the thousands of ignorant in Kosovo that he has won.

so lets see... kosovo goods can now go into and THROUGH serbia into other countries?

I look forward to serbia adding a 6 inch neon rainbow colored holographic stamp drawing attention to the accompanying 30 pages of documentation scotch taped to every box of crackers that passes through explaining how its not representative at all of any change by serbia and that the status-neutral box of crackers you are eating still in fact come from, and the money you paid still goes to... a country that does not exist.

goods for the serbian market will of course get an extra "kosovo customs is serbia" photo of a 2 thumbs up milosovic t-shirt stuffed into every box.

winning!

"If the stamps are status neutral and have nothing to to with Kosovo's statehood why don't you have the same agreement with Vojvodina, Stefanovicu?"
(ivan, 3 September 2011 18:25)

Because Vojvodina is not governed by simpleton politicians who only care for their own pockets and symbolism instead of addressing the real everyday problems of the people living there, like it is the case in Kosovo.

You can't keep saying that Kosovo is Serbia, but then treat it as if it is not. Are you giving passports to Albanians from Kosovo? Are you letting them vote in Serbian elections? Are you providing them the same economic incentives that you are providing to the people of Serbia (or the Serbians in Kosovo)? Serbia says in its rhetoric that Kosovo is Serbia, but its actions clearly say that Kosovo is independent.
(Glenn, 4 September 2011 09:00)

Well they offer all those things to the Kosovo Albanians, so I'm not sure what your on about, and the number of Albanians which apply for Serbian Passports each day shows that even they accept that they are not a proper state

Hmmmm, a very interesting statement!!!! I'm guessing you head the so called "the Policijske Uprave"?

The only Albanians that 'might' be applying for a Serb passport are the business people. I don't see a need to have one of them,
as we can get visas to any country, including EU and US, and that up to 10 years.

So give it up already, we don't need you and you don't need us; a perfect divorce...

Pls say it ain't so!!!

It has been arrived the time of the liars...

Serbia accepted a stamp that says "Kosovo Customs" while the Albanians where using the custom stamp "Customs of the Republic of Kosovo" for the past three years. So it is the Albanians who gave in. get your facts straight!
(Anonymous, 3 September 2011 22:12)

Anonymous
Can you post any link showing stamp that actually says: Customs of Republic of Kosovo? As far as I did see there is no such stamp. I have only seen the stamp with Kosovo Customs in all three languages.

If the customs stamps agreement was status neutral, then why did it take Serbia over three years to agree to it?

This is the exact same thing Kosovo set up over three years ago. Why should it take three years for Serbia to agree to something which is apparently "status neutral"?

It was well expected of Serbia to dress this up as a "victory" in the media even though Kosovo has not changed it's stance, Kosovo has agreed to something it chose back in 2008. Who is the real victor? Belgrade are making out they're the victors because according to them it is in line with UNSCR 1244. They're the exact same stamps as back in 2008, if they're apparently in line with UNSCR 1244 now then why weren't they in line with UNSCR 1244 back in 2008? Does this mean that Serbia has accepted that it has been violating UNSCR 1244 until now over the customs stamps?

Double standards!

Pathetic!

By the way to all the Albanians who keep saying Serbia just accepted the same custom stamp Kosovo has been using for the past three years, your wrong. Serbia accepted a stamp that says "Kosovo Customs" while the Albanians where using the custom stamp "Customs of the Republic of Kosovo" for the past three years. So it is the Albanians who gave in. get your facts straight!
(Anonymous, 3 September 2011 22:12)

Ha, ha, ha... Your "facts". There never existed or exists a stamp reading "Customs of the Republic of Kosovo". In November 2008, after Kosovo's UDI, the customs stamp was changed from "UNMIK Customs" to "Kosovo Customs". There are many sources in internet where you can easily find that. But let's go to the official one, the UNSG report to the Security Council in document S/2009/300 (paragraph 39):

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N09/360/78/PDF/N0936078.pdf

"In order to resolve difficulties in the implementation of the Central European Free Trade Agreement (CEFTA) caused by the introduction of new customs stamps by the Kosovo Customs Director-General at the end of November 2008, UNMIK, as party to the Agreement, communicated to the other CEFTA parties a set of specimen impressions of “Kosovo Customs” stamps"

By the way to all the Albanians who keep saying Serbia just accepted the same custom stamp Kosovo has been using for the past three years, your wrong. Serbia accepted a stamp that says "Kosovo Customs" while the Albanians where using the custom stamp "Customs of the Republic of Kosovo" for the past three years. So it is the Albanians who gave in. get your facts straight!
(Anonymous, 3 September 2011 22:12)

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/9660/79557433.jpg

''By the way to all the Albanians who keep saying Serbia just accepted the same custom stamp Kosovo has been using for the past three years, your wrong. Serbia accepted a stamp that says "Kosovo Customs" while the Albanians where using the custom stamp "Customs of the Republic of Kosovo" for the past three years. So it is the Albanians who gave in. get your facts straight!
(Anonymous, 3 September 2011 22:12) ''

Of course albanians gave in :)are you happy now ? :)))))

"Well they offer all those things to the Kosovo Albanians"

In theory, yes. But since all the Policiske Uprave from Kosovo are in Serbia, an Albanian can't apply for a passport unless he or she already has valid, non-expired Jugoslav ID.

Also, Kosovo Albanians were applying for Serbian passports so they could take advantage of the white schengen status.

However, Serbia gives different passports to Kosovo Albanians (did you know that?), that aren't valid for visa-free travel. So, basically this creates a big black-market for documents in the south of Serbia, people selling "addresses" in Serbia proper, so they can take advantage of visa-free travel.

We'll be seeing a lot of this from Serbs applying for Croatian passports when Croatia joins the EU