Opposition DSS accuses govt. of "capitulation"

Now this, ladies and gentlemen, is a primary example of why the Serbian position on Kosovo is so difficult.

Because of the unscrupulous position of parties such as DSS, who would rather in practice reduce Serbian influence in Kosovo, but only in theory, maintain Serbian influence in Kosovo, we have a more stupid and cowardly approach from the Serbian government which causes trouble in the first place.

It also makes seeking compromise that much more difficult.

“Certainly, when you accept the customs stamp, you also accept Kosovo Customs and Albanian border police at the border crossings that used to be administrative crossing until now,” the DSS official said

You are absolutaly right, Mr. Samardzic. I hope pro Serb camp on this site will understand the true meaning of Custom stamps, which only an Independent country can have its own custom stamps.

B92: "Belgrade and Priština’s negotiating team reached on Friday in Brussels an agreement on customs stamp that will read “Kosovo Customs” without any other symbols"

Kosovo never had any stamps that had state symbols. Stop fooling Serbs into thinking that Serbia ( a.k.a DS party )didn't give in since they removed the word "Republic".
This agreement means Serbia accepted to allow goods with Kosovo Stamps. There is nothing else to it. Kosovo didn't have to change their stamps as a result of this agreement. Why are you trying to muddy the waters with this BS?

It also makes seeking compromise that much more difficult.
(bganon, 3 September 2011 12:02)
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What compromise? How much more can Serbia give? Serbia is giving in all the time while Albanians are not. What exactly have Albanians given so far?
If giving more and more each day until final capitulation is compromise to you then you might as well say now let's give it all to them, for this is the end result.
You have to be completely stupid not to see it.

What compromise? How much more can Serbia give? Serbia is giving in all the time while Albanians are not. What exactly have Albanians given so far?
(Peggy, 3 September 2011 16:26)

Well, Albanians have given a lot, so far:

- Renouncing from joining Albania
- Guaranteeing, at least, 10 Serb MPs in Kosovo's Assembly regardless of how many votes they collect;
- Giving minorities a veto on certain laws;
- Kosovo's constitution can't be changed without Serbs' consent;
- Serbs can establish their own private education system, if they so wish
- Serb can use their alphabet and language in the Serb municipalities
- Serbs can have a Kosovo-wide Serb language television
- Have 2 judges in the Kosovos constitutional court
- Serbs can have their own municipalities and manage their local affairs

Serbia's constitution does not grant many of the above to the Albanians, that's why they decided to go with the UDI.

Well ye Samrdzic you are right seen from Serbian perspective it is a capitulation.

Your state agreed to accept customs stamps that for 3 years was refusing to accept.. so if that is not capitulation then what is???



for 3 years you were bulling Kosova and imposed embargo on her goods.

When kosova reciprocated with embargo to you in 4 weeks time you made your Serbian famous "victorious" U turn.

This negotiations business is a terrible treason. Instead, they should have fixed the constitution to say that Kosovo is REALLY REALLY (honest) part of Serbia and called it a day.

I have a better idea.

perhaps a compromise.

Amend the constitution to say "Kosovo (currently under the temporary auspices of UNSCR 1244) is REALLY Serbia.

That way we have some compromise and everyone's happy.

God knows how many times has Serbia capitulated these few years.

Oh the dinosaur with the mustache, whose policies and inaction (together with those of his boss) put Serbia in this cornered position, is back talking from under his mustache.

"Why are you trying to muddy the waters with this BS?
(BalkanUpdate, 3 September 2011 14:14) "

Guess.

Anyway, just think how much quieter the Balkans would be this weekend if the DSS people spent it in Prishtina, and VV - you know, the kids who threw tomatoes at Tahiri's car at the airport - moved their operations to Belgrade. Each side could lighten the mood in the other's capital by going on and on about how their own side had lost one of the most important diplomatic battles in the history of mankind. Finally each would be able to find someone to listen to them. Appreciatively.

@icj

you are listing out what the evil kosovo albanians provide to kosovo serbs... yes, they are minorities gifted with rights unseen anywhere else in europe and yes, you can wait till hell freezes over before serbia does the same for its minorities.


The likes of Peggy have a pathological need to cling to the idea that the republic of serbia can still somehow lose something it does not have, that it has no legal authority of any kind in regards to kosovo still escapes them.

The only thing the republic of serbia can do as a 3rd party is, as usual use kosovo serbs as fodder, incite the most violent amongst kosovo serbs and use the threat of violence to create the illusion serbia is still relevant.

so when you read serb apologists like pegster talk about what serbia "gives" to kosovo. They give nothing. they can only make another small step in confirming reality.

and when you read serb apologist talk about what albanians "give"... it has nothing to do with giving anything to kosovo serbs, its about what the republic of serbia can TAKE from kosovo.


NOW... what really gets serb apologists angry about this particular turn of events? the "compromise" was about lifting the trade ban.

As they reach the "compromise"... Kosovo and Serbia Lifts the ban between each other.

that sentence above seems simple and logical enough.

Think of all the nonsense and bluster serbs ranted about kosovo banning goods from the republic of serbia in the first place. What happened to all that blubbering that when you get down to it, had serbia imagining the idea that they have a say in what kosovo can and Cant do.

as straightforward as 2 parties lifting bans on each other is, it flies in the face of Everything these poor wretched nationalists fool themselves with... after all, kosovo was not "supposed" to be able to make or lift a ban at all. The implications reality that are catching up to them are OVERWHELMING...

even when nationalists like peggy flippantly say they should just give up (feeble attempt to paint serbia as doing something marvelous for albanians) even that is a desperate little cry to hold on to the idea that serbia has something to give up in the first place.

we can now listen to the rants of imagined unfairness by raging nationalists and just sit back and wait as serb leadership runs them around in circles so that they are dizzy enough to believe that this was their idea all along... its "status neutral" after all.

Meanwhile, goods from a country "that does not exist" will flow for the first time in 3 1/2 years since Independence into and THROUGH serbia.

Have to wonder whats going to start going through the minds of countries in the world still on the fence about recognizing kosovo.

As soon as a compromise was reached, the extremists come up with their complaining. As usual, as expected. Now I'm only waiting for Kurti to make a statement about the missing 'Rebublic of' on the stamps which means that the 'independence' and 'self determination' of Kosovo is severely violated! I'm sure, this will happen soon :-)

"Serbia's constitution does not grant many of the above to the Albanians, that's why they decided to go with the UDI."
(icj1, 3 September 2011 20:34)

Maybe to add, all of these minority rights were dictated/required by EU/US to be included in the Kosovo constitution, as a base for the recognition of the UDI. They have to keep at least the illusion that they created a 'multi-ethnic' Kosovo. Do you really think Thaci would have included theses things if he could act on his own? Surely not.

Each side could lighten the mood in the other's capital by going on and on about how their own side had lost one of the most important diplomatic battles in the history of mankind. Finally each would be able to find someone to listen to them. Appreciatively.
(Amer, 4 September 2011 02:46)

Or just go to "Lijepa Naša", maybe Ohrid instead - and enjoy the sea / lake / ice cream.

By the way: while strolling on the streets of Poreč I found myself on "Prvomajska", "Maršala Tita" and "Partizanska" streets. J. Kosor is probably just an other leader from hell, but not entire Croatia is about "Za Dom!". Maybe I am lucky but found some very nice locals.

Now this, ladies and gentlemen, is a primary example of why the Serbian position on Kosovo is so difficult.

Because of the unscrupulous position of parties such as DSS, who would rather in practice reduce Serbian influence in Kosovo, but only in theory, maintain Serbian influence in Kosovo, we have a more stupid and cowardly approach from the Serbian government which causes trouble in the first place.

It also makes seeking compromise that much more difficult.

“Certainly, when you accept the customs stamp, you also accept Kosovo Customs and Albanian border police at the border crossings that used to be administrative crossing until now,” the DSS official said

You are absolutaly right, Mr. Samardzic. I hope pro Serb camp on this site will understand the true meaning of Custom stamps, which only an Independent country can have its own custom stamps.

This negotiations business is a terrible treason. Instead, they should have fixed the constitution to say that Kosovo is REALLY REALLY (honest) part of Serbia and called it a day.

It also makes seeking compromise that much more difficult.
(bganon, 3 September 2011 12:02)
====================

What compromise? How much more can Serbia give? Serbia is giving in all the time while Albanians are not. What exactly have Albanians given so far?
If giving more and more each day until final capitulation is compromise to you then you might as well say now let's give it all to them, for this is the end result.
You have to be completely stupid not to see it.

I have a better idea.

perhaps a compromise.

Amend the constitution to say "Kosovo (currently under the temporary auspices of UNSCR 1244) is REALLY Serbia.

That way we have some compromise and everyone's happy.

Well ye Samrdzic you are right seen from Serbian perspective it is a capitulation.

Your state agreed to accept customs stamps that for 3 years was refusing to accept.. so if that is not capitulation then what is???



for 3 years you were bulling Kosova and imposed embargo on her goods.

When kosova reciprocated with embargo to you in 4 weeks time you made your Serbian famous "victorious" U turn.

God knows how many times has Serbia capitulated these few years.

What compromise? How much more can Serbia give? Serbia is giving in all the time while Albanians are not. What exactly have Albanians given so far?
(Peggy, 3 September 2011 16:26)

Well, Albanians have given a lot, so far:

- Renouncing from joining Albania
- Guaranteeing, at least, 10 Serb MPs in Kosovo's Assembly regardless of how many votes they collect;
- Giving minorities a veto on certain laws;
- Kosovo's constitution can't be changed without Serbs' consent;
- Serbs can establish their own private education system, if they so wish
- Serb can use their alphabet and language in the Serb municipalities
- Serbs can have a Kosovo-wide Serb language television
- Have 2 judges in the Kosovos constitutional court
- Serbs can have their own municipalities and manage their local affairs

Serbia's constitution does not grant many of the above to the Albanians, that's why they decided to go with the UDI.

B92: "Belgrade and Priština’s negotiating team reached on Friday in Brussels an agreement on customs stamp that will read “Kosovo Customs” without any other symbols"

Kosovo never had any stamps that had state symbols. Stop fooling Serbs into thinking that Serbia ( a.k.a DS party )didn't give in since they removed the word "Republic".
This agreement means Serbia accepted to allow goods with Kosovo Stamps. There is nothing else to it. Kosovo didn't have to change their stamps as a result of this agreement. Why are you trying to muddy the waters with this BS?

Each side could lighten the mood in the other's capital by going on and on about how their own side had lost one of the most important diplomatic battles in the history of mankind. Finally each would be able to find someone to listen to them. Appreciatively.
(Amer, 4 September 2011 02:46)

Or just go to "Lijepa Naša", maybe Ohrid instead - and enjoy the sea / lake / ice cream.

By the way: while strolling on the streets of Poreč I found myself on "Prvomajska", "Maršala Tita" and "Partizanska" streets. J. Kosor is probably just an other leader from hell, but not entire Croatia is about "Za Dom!". Maybe I am lucky but found some very nice locals.

Oh the dinosaur with the mustache, whose policies and inaction (together with those of his boss) put Serbia in this cornered position, is back talking from under his mustache.

@icj

you are listing out what the evil kosovo albanians provide to kosovo serbs... yes, they are minorities gifted with rights unseen anywhere else in europe and yes, you can wait till hell freezes over before serbia does the same for its minorities.


The likes of Peggy have a pathological need to cling to the idea that the republic of serbia can still somehow lose something it does not have, that it has no legal authority of any kind in regards to kosovo still escapes them.

The only thing the republic of serbia can do as a 3rd party is, as usual use kosovo serbs as fodder, incite the most violent amongst kosovo serbs and use the threat of violence to create the illusion serbia is still relevant.

so when you read serb apologists like pegster talk about what serbia "gives" to kosovo. They give nothing. they can only make another small step in confirming reality.

and when you read serb apologist talk about what albanians "give"... it has nothing to do with giving anything to kosovo serbs, its about what the republic of serbia can TAKE from kosovo.


NOW... what really gets serb apologists angry about this particular turn of events? the "compromise" was about lifting the trade ban.

As they reach the "compromise"... Kosovo and Serbia Lifts the ban between each other.

that sentence above seems simple and logical enough.

Think of all the nonsense and bluster serbs ranted about kosovo banning goods from the republic of serbia in the first place. What happened to all that blubbering that when you get down to it, had serbia imagining the idea that they have a say in what kosovo can and Cant do.

as straightforward as 2 parties lifting bans on each other is, it flies in the face of Everything these poor wretched nationalists fool themselves with... after all, kosovo was not "supposed" to be able to make or lift a ban at all. The implications reality that are catching up to them are OVERWHELMING...

even when nationalists like peggy flippantly say they should just give up (feeble attempt to paint serbia as doing something marvelous for albanians) even that is a desperate little cry to hold on to the idea that serbia has something to give up in the first place.

we can now listen to the rants of imagined unfairness by raging nationalists and just sit back and wait as serb leadership runs them around in circles so that they are dizzy enough to believe that this was their idea all along... its "status neutral" after all.

Meanwhile, goods from a country "that does not exist" will flow for the first time in 3 1/2 years since Independence into and THROUGH serbia.

Have to wonder whats going to start going through the minds of countries in the world still on the fence about recognizing kosovo.

"Serbia's constitution does not grant many of the above to the Albanians, that's why they decided to go with the UDI."
(icj1, 3 September 2011 20:34)

Maybe to add, all of these minority rights were dictated/required by EU/US to be included in the Kosovo constitution, as a base for the recognition of the UDI. They have to keep at least the illusion that they created a 'multi-ethnic' Kosovo. Do you really think Thaci would have included theses things if he could act on his own? Surely not.

"Why are you trying to muddy the waters with this BS?
(BalkanUpdate, 3 September 2011 14:14) "

Guess.

Anyway, just think how much quieter the Balkans would be this weekend if the DSS people spent it in Prishtina, and VV - you know, the kids who threw tomatoes at Tahiri's car at the airport - moved their operations to Belgrade. Each side could lighten the mood in the other's capital by going on and on about how their own side had lost one of the most important diplomatic battles in the history of mankind. Finally each would be able to find someone to listen to them. Appreciatively.

As soon as a compromise was reached, the extremists come up with their complaining. As usual, as expected. Now I'm only waiting for Kurti to make a statement about the missing 'Rebublic of' on the stamps which means that the 'independence' and 'self determination' of Kosovo is severely violated! I'm sure, this will happen soon :-)