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Friday, 02.09.2011.

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Courses in Montenegrin schools "also in Serbian"

Montenegrin MPs adopted a bill amending the education law according to which schools will teach in the mandatory Montenegrin language as well as in Serbian.

Izvor: Tanjug

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balkanico

pre 12 godina

Yes, they debate the Serbian language in Serbian, while trying to invent another language that doesn't exist. This is more important to Milo than improving the local economy, improving infrastructure, having a clean and stable water supply. This is why these guys are completely useless, a total joke, complete wankers.
(Dragan, 2 September 2011 14:26)

Dragan, you can hardly blame this one on Milo.

The Montenegrin Constitution, adopted by a 2/3 majority in the Parliament, stipulates that Montenegrin is the official language, while Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Albanian also are in official use. Basically, everybody in Montenegro are free to call, and refer to their language as they want.

Now, the pro-Serb parties have been blocking a necessary amendment to the election law, unless Serbian is given equal status with Montenegrin as the name of the school subject, i.e. what this school subject is called in the curriculum. In other words, they have been blocking an amendment of the election law, an amendment they have themselves insisted on for years, by saying that unless the majority in the parliament (that is the Government) do not change the name for this school subject, they (the pro-Serb parties) will not vote for the amendment (they are in favor of) for the election law. Failing to adopt this amendment would like put Montenegros EU integration to a halt, something these same parties also say they are all for.

So, who are the ones blocking for more than a year the adoption of an amendment that they nevertheless are in favor of, and who do you think spend most of their political energy on symbol issues such as the naming of a school subject (sic!) and illegally constructed tin-box churches?

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

The problem in the former Yugoslavia regarding language is not what language people speak but it what to call it locally.

Bosnian, Croatian, Montenegrin and Serbian are all one language known to linguistics as Serbo-Croatian. If you put a Bosniak, a Croat, a Montenegrin and a Serb in one room together none of them will struggle to communicate with one another as they all speak dialects of the same language. Accents, Alphabets, Dialects, Spellings and Regionalisms do not make them separate languages. If the US adopted the Cyrillic Alphabet and carried on speaking English but referred to it as "American" it would still be the English language even though the variant of English in the US differs to that in the UK due to it having different accents, alphabets, dialects, spellings and regionalisms. Still the same language. The same applies in the former Yugoslavia.

But with the nationalism seen in the Western Balkans from the 1990s people want to have their own language, call it their own and not admit they speak a neighbouring country's language. It all started when the Croats officially started referring to their language as Croatian instead of Serbo-Croatian, then the Bosniaks and Serbs followed suit by referring to their languages as Bosnian and Serbian. Don't single out the Montenegrins, after independence they just copied what the Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs did in the 1990s; they're now just jumping on the bandwagon.

I think the best way to resolve the issue in all four countries is to rename the Serbo-Croatian language to something which doesn't have any of the four countries names in the name of the language. For example if it were renamed "Language X" (the name has nothing to do with BiH, Croatia, Montenegro and Serbia) then Bosniaks, Croats, Montenegrins and Serbs would find it easier to admit and accept that they all speak the same language without letting nationalist tendencies interfere and without being reminded constantly about Yugoslavia.

If the above is agreed the only issue then is to agree on what to call it. I think it should be called the West-Balkan language or the Western-Balkanian Language (something along them lines), which is a neutral none-nationalist name for the language and it has nothing to do with Yugoslavia. This way all these silly language issues and disputes can be thrown in the bin.

I don't think it is fair to single out Montenegrins because Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs are just as guilty of this silliness, and thats what it is... Silliness!

Jimmy Mack

pre 12 godina

Dear serbian friends, consider greece for your vacations next year.
(grk, 3 September 2011 11:13)

We'll be there as soon as Leonidas pays us back what he borrowed. You seen him around?

jb

pre 12 godina

So let me get this straight, if I add am addition "J" to most words, I will be speaking Moontenegren instead of Serbian, as the word "lepo" (beautiful) becomes "ljepo", is that correct? Well all I can say, Milo, is what a beautiful waste of time. Just how deep can you stick your nose into the EU's butt? Ljepo.
(Winston, 2 September 2011 19:40)


I know the answer to your question, all the way in, and they didn't wipe.

Winston

pre 12 godina

So let me get this straight, if I add am addition "J" to most words, I will be speaking Moontenegren instead of Serbian, as the word "lepo" (beautiful) becomes "ljepo", is that correct? Well all I can say, Milo, is what a beautiful waste of time. Just how deep can you stick your nose into the EU's butt? Ljepo.

DimTuc

pre 12 godina

"they debate the Serbian language in Serbian, while trying to invent another language that doesn't exist"

Yes, but in times of high unemployment, these events can be a significant income booster for translators and interpreters. I don't imagine the work would be difficult, pretty much any early school leaver would do.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Yes, they debate the Serbian language in Serbian, while trying to invent another language that doesn't exist. This is more important to Milo than improving the local economy, improving infrastructure, having a clean and stable water supply. This is why these guys are completely useless, a total joke, complete wankers.

balkanico

pre 12 godina

All things considered, this is a good compromise proposal from PzP, that is to name the school subject 'Mother Tongue language and Literature'.

Each and every student can then choose what he or she would want to have written on his or her graduation diploma; Serbian, Montengrin, Bosniak or Croat.

TP

pre 12 godina

Here's my comment on a previous article on the same absurd subject...

In both Britains, English and English enjoy equal status and are taught side-by-side in schools, The same is true for the USAs, Canadas, Australias, New Zealands and in all other nations and states on both planets where English and English are jointly regarded as official languages.

As far as I know, this situation has not changed, and both British governments support the continued predominance of English, with English as a second compulsory language.

I speak English and English and I'm fluent in both languages. I also, along with both the English people and the English people (50% and 40% respectively), support the English Church and I oppose it breaking away to become an English church.

Now, who's crazier?

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Yes, they debate the Serbian language in Serbian, while trying to invent another language that doesn't exist. This is more important to Milo than improving the local economy, improving infrastructure, having a clean and stable water supply. This is why these guys are completely useless, a total joke, complete wankers.

Winston

pre 12 godina

So let me get this straight, if I add am addition "J" to most words, I will be speaking Moontenegren instead of Serbian, as the word "lepo" (beautiful) becomes "ljepo", is that correct? Well all I can say, Milo, is what a beautiful waste of time. Just how deep can you stick your nose into the EU's butt? Ljepo.

TP

pre 12 godina

Here's my comment on a previous article on the same absurd subject...

In both Britains, English and English enjoy equal status and are taught side-by-side in schools, The same is true for the USAs, Canadas, Australias, New Zealands and in all other nations and states on both planets where English and English are jointly regarded as official languages.

As far as I know, this situation has not changed, and both British governments support the continued predominance of English, with English as a second compulsory language.

I speak English and English and I'm fluent in both languages. I also, along with both the English people and the English people (50% and 40% respectively), support the English Church and I oppose it breaking away to become an English church.

Now, who's crazier?

DimTuc

pre 12 godina

"they debate the Serbian language in Serbian, while trying to invent another language that doesn't exist"

Yes, but in times of high unemployment, these events can be a significant income booster for translators and interpreters. I don't imagine the work would be difficult, pretty much any early school leaver would do.

balkanico

pre 12 godina

All things considered, this is a good compromise proposal from PzP, that is to name the school subject 'Mother Tongue language and Literature'.

Each and every student can then choose what he or she would want to have written on his or her graduation diploma; Serbian, Montengrin, Bosniak or Croat.

jb

pre 12 godina

So let me get this straight, if I add am addition "J" to most words, I will be speaking Moontenegren instead of Serbian, as the word "lepo" (beautiful) becomes "ljepo", is that correct? Well all I can say, Milo, is what a beautiful waste of time. Just how deep can you stick your nose into the EU's butt? Ljepo.
(Winston, 2 September 2011 19:40)


I know the answer to your question, all the way in, and they didn't wipe.

Jimmy Mack

pre 12 godina

Dear serbian friends, consider greece for your vacations next year.
(grk, 3 September 2011 11:13)

We'll be there as soon as Leonidas pays us back what he borrowed. You seen him around?

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

The problem in the former Yugoslavia regarding language is not what language people speak but it what to call it locally.

Bosnian, Croatian, Montenegrin and Serbian are all one language known to linguistics as Serbo-Croatian. If you put a Bosniak, a Croat, a Montenegrin and a Serb in one room together none of them will struggle to communicate with one another as they all speak dialects of the same language. Accents, Alphabets, Dialects, Spellings and Regionalisms do not make them separate languages. If the US adopted the Cyrillic Alphabet and carried on speaking English but referred to it as "American" it would still be the English language even though the variant of English in the US differs to that in the UK due to it having different accents, alphabets, dialects, spellings and regionalisms. Still the same language. The same applies in the former Yugoslavia.

But with the nationalism seen in the Western Balkans from the 1990s people want to have their own language, call it their own and not admit they speak a neighbouring country's language. It all started when the Croats officially started referring to their language as Croatian instead of Serbo-Croatian, then the Bosniaks and Serbs followed suit by referring to their languages as Bosnian and Serbian. Don't single out the Montenegrins, after independence they just copied what the Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs did in the 1990s; they're now just jumping on the bandwagon.

I think the best way to resolve the issue in all four countries is to rename the Serbo-Croatian language to something which doesn't have any of the four countries names in the name of the language. For example if it were renamed "Language X" (the name has nothing to do with BiH, Croatia, Montenegro and Serbia) then Bosniaks, Croats, Montenegrins and Serbs would find it easier to admit and accept that they all speak the same language without letting nationalist tendencies interfere and without being reminded constantly about Yugoslavia.

If the above is agreed the only issue then is to agree on what to call it. I think it should be called the West-Balkan language or the Western-Balkanian Language (something along them lines), which is a neutral none-nationalist name for the language and it has nothing to do with Yugoslavia. This way all these silly language issues and disputes can be thrown in the bin.

I don't think it is fair to single out Montenegrins because Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs are just as guilty of this silliness, and thats what it is... Silliness!

balkanico

pre 12 godina

Yes, they debate the Serbian language in Serbian, while trying to invent another language that doesn't exist. This is more important to Milo than improving the local economy, improving infrastructure, having a clean and stable water supply. This is why these guys are completely useless, a total joke, complete wankers.
(Dragan, 2 September 2011 14:26)

Dragan, you can hardly blame this one on Milo.

The Montenegrin Constitution, adopted by a 2/3 majority in the Parliament, stipulates that Montenegrin is the official language, while Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Albanian also are in official use. Basically, everybody in Montenegro are free to call, and refer to their language as they want.

Now, the pro-Serb parties have been blocking a necessary amendment to the election law, unless Serbian is given equal status with Montenegrin as the name of the school subject, i.e. what this school subject is called in the curriculum. In other words, they have been blocking an amendment of the election law, an amendment they have themselves insisted on for years, by saying that unless the majority in the parliament (that is the Government) do not change the name for this school subject, they (the pro-Serb parties) will not vote for the amendment (they are in favor of) for the election law. Failing to adopt this amendment would like put Montenegros EU integration to a halt, something these same parties also say they are all for.

So, who are the ones blocking for more than a year the adoption of an amendment that they nevertheless are in favor of, and who do you think spend most of their political energy on symbol issues such as the naming of a school subject (sic!) and illegally constructed tin-box churches?

Dragan

pre 12 godina

Yes, they debate the Serbian language in Serbian, while trying to invent another language that doesn't exist. This is more important to Milo than improving the local economy, improving infrastructure, having a clean and stable water supply. This is why these guys are completely useless, a total joke, complete wankers.

balkanico

pre 12 godina

All things considered, this is a good compromise proposal from PzP, that is to name the school subject 'Mother Tongue language and Literature'.

Each and every student can then choose what he or she would want to have written on his or her graduation diploma; Serbian, Montengrin, Bosniak or Croat.

Winston

pre 12 godina

So let me get this straight, if I add am addition "J" to most words, I will be speaking Moontenegren instead of Serbian, as the word "lepo" (beautiful) becomes "ljepo", is that correct? Well all I can say, Milo, is what a beautiful waste of time. Just how deep can you stick your nose into the EU's butt? Ljepo.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

The problem in the former Yugoslavia regarding language is not what language people speak but it what to call it locally.

Bosnian, Croatian, Montenegrin and Serbian are all one language known to linguistics as Serbo-Croatian. If you put a Bosniak, a Croat, a Montenegrin and a Serb in one room together none of them will struggle to communicate with one another as they all speak dialects of the same language. Accents, Alphabets, Dialects, Spellings and Regionalisms do not make them separate languages. If the US adopted the Cyrillic Alphabet and carried on speaking English but referred to it as "American" it would still be the English language even though the variant of English in the US differs to that in the UK due to it having different accents, alphabets, dialects, spellings and regionalisms. Still the same language. The same applies in the former Yugoslavia.

But with the nationalism seen in the Western Balkans from the 1990s people want to have their own language, call it their own and not admit they speak a neighbouring country's language. It all started when the Croats officially started referring to their language as Croatian instead of Serbo-Croatian, then the Bosniaks and Serbs followed suit by referring to their languages as Bosnian and Serbian. Don't single out the Montenegrins, after independence they just copied what the Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs did in the 1990s; they're now just jumping on the bandwagon.

I think the best way to resolve the issue in all four countries is to rename the Serbo-Croatian language to something which doesn't have any of the four countries names in the name of the language. For example if it were renamed "Language X" (the name has nothing to do with BiH, Croatia, Montenegro and Serbia) then Bosniaks, Croats, Montenegrins and Serbs would find it easier to admit and accept that they all speak the same language without letting nationalist tendencies interfere and without being reminded constantly about Yugoslavia.

If the above is agreed the only issue then is to agree on what to call it. I think it should be called the West-Balkan language or the Western-Balkanian Language (something along them lines), which is a neutral none-nationalist name for the language and it has nothing to do with Yugoslavia. This way all these silly language issues and disputes can be thrown in the bin.

I don't think it is fair to single out Montenegrins because Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs are just as guilty of this silliness, and thats what it is... Silliness!

TP

pre 12 godina

Here's my comment on a previous article on the same absurd subject...

In both Britains, English and English enjoy equal status and are taught side-by-side in schools, The same is true for the USAs, Canadas, Australias, New Zealands and in all other nations and states on both planets where English and English are jointly regarded as official languages.

As far as I know, this situation has not changed, and both British governments support the continued predominance of English, with English as a second compulsory language.

I speak English and English and I'm fluent in both languages. I also, along with both the English people and the English people (50% and 40% respectively), support the English Church and I oppose it breaking away to become an English church.

Now, who's crazier?

Jimmy Mack

pre 12 godina

Dear serbian friends, consider greece for your vacations next year.
(grk, 3 September 2011 11:13)

We'll be there as soon as Leonidas pays us back what he borrowed. You seen him around?

balkanico

pre 12 godina

Yes, they debate the Serbian language in Serbian, while trying to invent another language that doesn't exist. This is more important to Milo than improving the local economy, improving infrastructure, having a clean and stable water supply. This is why these guys are completely useless, a total joke, complete wankers.
(Dragan, 2 September 2011 14:26)

Dragan, you can hardly blame this one on Milo.

The Montenegrin Constitution, adopted by a 2/3 majority in the Parliament, stipulates that Montenegrin is the official language, while Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Albanian also are in official use. Basically, everybody in Montenegro are free to call, and refer to their language as they want.

Now, the pro-Serb parties have been blocking a necessary amendment to the election law, unless Serbian is given equal status with Montenegrin as the name of the school subject, i.e. what this school subject is called in the curriculum. In other words, they have been blocking an amendment of the election law, an amendment they have themselves insisted on for years, by saying that unless the majority in the parliament (that is the Government) do not change the name for this school subject, they (the pro-Serb parties) will not vote for the amendment (they are in favor of) for the election law. Failing to adopt this amendment would like put Montenegros EU integration to a halt, something these same parties also say they are all for.

So, who are the ones blocking for more than a year the adoption of an amendment that they nevertheless are in favor of, and who do you think spend most of their political energy on symbol issues such as the naming of a school subject (sic!) and illegally constructed tin-box churches?

DimTuc

pre 12 godina

"they debate the Serbian language in Serbian, while trying to invent another language that doesn't exist"

Yes, but in times of high unemployment, these events can be a significant income booster for translators and interpreters. I don't imagine the work would be difficult, pretty much any early school leaver would do.

jb

pre 12 godina

So let me get this straight, if I add am addition "J" to most words, I will be speaking Moontenegren instead of Serbian, as the word "lepo" (beautiful) becomes "ljepo", is that correct? Well all I can say, Milo, is what a beautiful waste of time. Just how deep can you stick your nose into the EU's butt? Ljepo.
(Winston, 2 September 2011 19:40)


I know the answer to your question, all the way in, and they didn't wipe.