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Wednesday, 31.08.2011.

09:18

EULEX, KFOR wrap up operation in northern Kosovo

EULEX special force operation in northern Kosovo as a part of the investigation into the murder of a Kosovo policeman on July 26 is over.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

The question is, was it murder or was it a battle between Serbs and Albanians? Kosovo special police moving to take control of the border crossings was a threat to the sovereignty of Serbs living in northern Kosovo. Why are some surprised that they have been standing up and in the case of July 25th, fighting for their homes and to remain part of Serbia?
(gnr25, 1 September 2011 05:08)


You are absolutely right... it probably was a battle between Serbs and Albanians. However, if there is a battle, the battle rules have to be respected; i.e. the parties which are fighting need to wear uniforms so that they can be distinguished from civilians to avoid the shooting of civilians. Since the battling Serbs were not in uniforms to clearly distinguish themselves from the Serb civilians to avoid putting the Serb civilians' life at risk, than the "battle" theory has to be excluded.

Bloody Mary

pre 12 godina

Ataman,first of all sorry for the double post (while sending the first one I received the message that B92 was temporarily unavailable that's why I considered it lost)

Second and most important of all: As always you, the all-knowing, all-seeing oracle, are far away from the truth. But Ataman, Jez and all your other characters are of course free to keep on guessing!

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Ataman,why don't you try North Korea? Just claim you are a Russian and the "beloved leader" will welcome you!
(Bloody Mary, 31 August 2011 19:51)


Isn't it a shame that you are on the No Fly List? Perhaps you should try North Korea? Look at the bright side: Another citizenship! You should only burn your American passport before entering. Just claim you are a Russian.
(Bloody Mary, 31 August 2011 19:00)

Mirjam,

I kind of begin to feel, you had some really traumatic experience during the conflict: frequent change of the nicks and very emotional style, pretty much unique to you, regardless what nick you use.

If that's the case I am with you and I feel really sorry if anyone did hurt you in person. If doing that makes you feel better - no problem. Few years ago an Austrian lady begun to yell hysterically and she hit me a few times. I did survive that ordeal - what was odd, she yelled "you bombed my country". Turned out, she was a Croatian from Austria and for her "my country" was Serbia in 1999. I landed up comforting her and she was crying (not me, who was hit).

Englebert

pre 12 godina

On the subject of B92, why are you on here? Surely there is an Albanian run media site? (sj, 31 August 2011 23:42)

I have asked myself that same questions on many occasions regarding this guy, "the People's Champion" Bobby Frisco, and a few others who whine and complain about the moderators, the journalists, or Serbia in general. I guess it just boils down to the fact that they like attention, in any form... and this forum provides a much-needed (dysfunctional) family environment for them.

Claude

pre 12 godina

(balkanbert, 31 August 2011 18:47)
You claim to have been a senior staff with OSCE 10 yeras ago. To me, this tells me that your appointment was so short
(Agim Kelmendi, 31 August 2011 20:14)

Oh the arrogance of some knows no bounds! It is amazingly pathetic to know that people like Agim cannot fathom that there were (and still are) internationals in Kosovo that simply do not support the Albanian agenda.

Ignorance must indeed be bliss.

Nikoli

pre 12 godina

The problem is you people believe what your told, Again thank Wikileaks for spilling a little truth from the all powerful USA.

PRISTINA 00000044 002 OF 004
¶3. (C) For much of the past ten years, pursuit of our strategic goal of a stable, democratic, multi- ethnic Kosovo has taken a back seat in the North to tactical concerns of avoiding demonstrations and clashes. Fortunately, there is a growing consensus in the international community that the time is now to reverse this trend. Embassies of the major European powers, the U.S., the International Civilian Office and the European Union Rule of Law Mission EULEX have agreed on a Northern Strategy to displace the illegal parallel structures, introduce legitimate, legal GOK structures, and increase the presence and improve the performance of rule of law institutions (customs, police and courts) in Northern Kosovo. The GOK has accepted this strategy as its own, and has pledged budget resources toward its implementation.

That this international and local alliance for action in Northern Kosovo comes while KFOR remains at a robust presence of roughly 10,000 troops is fortunate. The Northern Strategy (septel) has been designed to incentivize participation in GOK structures, not to impose them by force. That said, local forces, including Serbs and Albanians who benefit from the current near lawless environment, could attempt to use violence to disrupt attempts to collect customs duties or reopen courts. KFOR at 10,000 will play an important, if ancillary, role in this strategy to ensure Kosovo’s long-term stability and territorial integrity. At 10,000, KFOR remains capable to respond to multiple, simultaneous incidents. KFOR’s ability to respond with overwhelming force to multiple provocations will itself serve as a valuable deterrent

we would argue that the time is ripe to move from a negative operationalization of security, based on the absence of incidents, to a positive one. Such an operationalization would establish realistic, observable measures of success in reversing a decade of erosion in Northern Kosovo and establishing Kosovo’s authority throughout its territory. Such benchmarks should include:
-- successful establishment of the decentralized municipality of North Mitrovica;
-- re-establishment of collection of customs revenue at Gates 1 and 31, as part of a single, Kosovo-wide customs regime;
-- enhanced EULEX police presence in Northern Kosovo
- the replacement of illegal parallel municipal authorities in Northern Kosovo with, legal, legitimately constituted Kosovo bodies;

Benchmarks for this success include replacement of illegal parallel structures with legitimate Kosovo bodies, the establishment of robust rule of law institutions, the re-establishment of customs controls and revenue collection, and the re-establishment of legal, normalized electrical services and billing under KEK control. END SUMMARY

But remember they are completely independent....

gnr25

pre 12 godina

The question is, was it murder or was it a battle between Serbs and Albanians? Kosovo special police moving to take control of the border crossings was a threat to the sovereignty of Serbs living in northern Kosovo. Why are some surprised that they have been standing up and in the case of July 25th, fighting for their homes and to remain part of Serbia?

roberto

pre 12 godina

Serbia has had a decade and a half to come to terms with the disastrous policies that it pursued in the 90s that resulted in four lost wars and the Bosnian Genocide. Hundreds of thousands were murdered, tens of thousands raped and tortured and millions forcefully displaced from their homes all because the Serbian politicians and intellectuals wanted to form a Greater Serbian State that was cleansed of non-Serbs. And if one looks at the way Belgrade is acting towards its neighbors it is clear that the same policies are still in place albeit without the use of violence that once characterized them. There is a paper thin pro-Western facade that is placed over a political system that has not in any shape or form been fundamentally reformed from the Milosevic era. Serbian officials want to look like they've renounced Milosevic era policies while at the same time continuing to pursue those same policies backed up by the same nationalist ideologies. Until Serbia truly decides to make a permanent break from Milosevic era politics, ideologies, and policies we will not see real change in the region in terms of peace, stability, or cooperation. Actions speak louder then words. It appears that the more Serbian politicians pretend things change the more they stay the same.
(Frank, 31 August 2011 11:08)--

Very well said, and the most amazing part -- you made it past the democratic censor!

don't be a stranger...

roberto frisco

sj

pre 12 godina

You claim to have been a senior staff with OSCE 10 yeras ago. To me, this tells me that your appointment was so short and you are so pissed off that you did not get rich. You have no right to speak.
By the way, why on b92 serbian language site it says that Kosova Police, Eulex &Kfor took part in the operation, yet on english page KP is not mentioned? Just an honest answer, please!?
(Agim Kelmendi, 31 August 2011 20:14)


There are dozens and dozens like Balkan Bert, people who have spent time in Kosovo and tell the same story and they range from ordinary soldiers to some very senior officials.

These people were not “kicked out” as you like to think but they finished their term and did not wish to stay as they do not have the stomachs to watch what was going on.

“….so pissed off that you did not get rich”

Not everyone is like the Albos, mate. Some people actually have trouble sleeping at night.

On the subject of B92, why are you on here? Surely there is an Albanian run media site? No, still getting used to the printing press eh?

iliri

pre 12 godina

Funny posts, from former UNMIK an Kfor service men...could you be so kind to explain us why you were kicked out of the mission or fired? It si very common to see serbs claiming to be albanians and offendin around in forums :) merkel goes to beograd and speaks rather critically on serbs, now suddenly we have angry germans who hate albanians on forums...

Milan

pre 12 godina

Balkan Bert,

Amen and thank you for sharing your story on this site and confirming what most of us knew or suspected. Fortunately you do not care that the Albanian village computer warriors are going to trash your comments. That is all they can do after having received excellent history education in parallel Albanian language-based institutions and media.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

(balkanbert, 31 August 2011 18:47)
You claim to have been a senior staff with OSCE 10 yeras ago. To me, this tells me that your appointment was so short and you are so pissed off that you did not get rich. You have no right to speak.
By the way, why on b92 serbian language site it says that Kosova Police, Eulex &Kfor took part in the operation, yet on english page KP is not mentioned? Just an honest answer, please!?

Bloody Mary

pre 12 godina

We already got some experience with that, thank you. I am looking at my "after investment" utility bills in Hungary and comparing them with PG&E utility bills from California - and I do not know, should I laugh or cry.
Just stay away from E.U. this is not the price you want to pay.
(Ataman, 31 August 2011 17:52)

Ataman,why don't you try North Korea? Just claim you are a Russian and the "beloved leader" will welcome you!

to a New Day

pre 12 godina

yes, ideed there were several arrests, like terrorist S. Lushtaku in Srbica - but he got released under pressure by US deputy CO KFOR, like most of those savagers. those few who were sentenced - this is a contempt of justice - ridiculously light sentences. someone here mentioned about ratio of the killed albos - it was too low if one compares what they inflicted upon the Serbs and international community - do not forget how many international troops got wounded. By the way, KFOR was out in the streets before savagers really commenced their destruction and ethinic cleansing they have always wanted to do...but as i already mentioned, all the orders were politically biased against the real owners of Kosovo - the Serbs - but one day the justice will prevail and albos will go back where they came from - a mystical land of illyria.

Bloody Mary

pre 12 godina

We already got some experience with that, thank you. I am looking at my "after investment" utility bills in Hungary and comparing them with PG&E utility bills from California - and I do not know, should I laugh or cry.
Just stay away from E.U. this is not the price you want to pay.
(Ataman, 31 August 2011 17:52)

Isn't it a shame that you are on the No Fly List? Perhaps you should try North Korea? Look at the bright side: Another citizenship! You should only burn your American passport before entering. Just claim you are a Russian.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

As a senior officer with the OSCE in Kosovo ten years ago, I have been following up on all
developments in the area up to now and have remained in touch with old colleagues – not only from
the OSCE but from KFOR and international police units as well. Thus, I got a lot of eyewitness reports
from the ethnic cleansing campaign in 2004 orchestrated by UCK under the watchful eyes of KFOR.
And I know from these old colleagues, that a certain number of them in violation of their orders and
regulation managed to hand out weapons and ammunition to Kosovo Serbs - in order to help them
to protect their lives when the onslaught started. I know personally some out of this “real
international community” who were even fighting alongside with non-Albanians to support their selfdefense.
What I do not know though is whether or not there are still international staff willing and able and
brave enough to support Serbs in Northern Kosovo when Pristina based institutions and their
gunmen turn into reality what they already announced: to bypass UN, EULEX and KFOR in another
violent unilateral move aimed at seizing Northern Kosovo.
As a matter of fact, the so-called and usually self-appointed international community has so far given
in to the use of violence orchestrated by Thaci, Ceku, Haradinaj (and Ahmeti as well) - and in so far
awarded and encouraged them to continue with sparking armed conflict in the pursuit of their goals.
They have learned this lesson and will not stop using violence or threatening to do so at the border
of Kosovo. If no measures are being taken including determined military action, the UCK (or however
they may call themselves) will sooner or later set the Balkans once again on fire.
Well, I am not optimistic that measures to prevent from these violence are under consideration. How
could I, after listening to statements issued by senior officials from EU and NATO countries including presidents and heads of states (like by "my" chancelor Merkel) on Kosovo in particular during the past days and weeks.
Poor Europe – I had a dream, now it is fading away…

a New Day

pre 12 godina

during my time with KFOR in 2004 all those albanians did basically the same - still no one got jailed for the crimes they committed because our commanders had politically biased orders - from my part I would have mowed down all those Molotov-coctail throwers as this was armed( yes - Molotov cotail is a weapon) attack against our troops.
keep fighting Serbs!!!
(exKFOR, 31 August 2011 14:16
If you were there with KFOR as you claim, you know that Kfor did not react until it was almost over as they claimed it was a police issue, You would also know that there were several arrests and several convictions! However if you were in Serbia sitting in a coffee shop as suspected, you would have this reaction.

Hank the Tank

pre 12 godina

It's obvious what ALBOLEX is trying to do. Make life difficult for the Serbs by harassing them on a daily basis. Not to mention the fact that they are preventing food and other necessities to reach the Serbs. These attemps will fail. But unfortunately Thaci today laid the groundwork for a military attack against the north by calling Serbs who lived there terrorists and criminals, justifying the expulsion of all Serbs from their homes and ancestral homeland. The West and their albo gang think that Serbia will recognize Kosovo after the last Serb has left Kosovo. Wouldn't it be easier to come up with an agreement that both sides can accept rather then only satisfying the bad guys? The problems in Kosovo are just begining. Thaci is about to start something that he will regret.

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Serbian people most realize the Kosova is recognized by the most powerful countries of the world, we offer them to join the EU and big investments in serbia by US and EU, I think the serbian people has a great opportunity to bring their country to the light! You serbs have to forget Kosova, there are independent as long as the world will exist and we think is time for friendship between you and Kosovars! John, Luisville KY
(John, 31 August 2011 15:42)

The approach of Vojvodina-Hungarians is more mature. Go and ask them about their attitude towards potential territory adjustments and "investments" from E.U. + USA.

The usual answer is:

"We do not have enough rope to hang all the criminal politicians in Belgrade, why would we need extra trouble to try hanging even more criminals in Budapest?"

And of course we know who will benefit the most from these "big investments" by some U.S. and E.U. crook companies - because of course mostly crooks come here to "invest". We already got some experience with that, thank you. I am looking at my "after investment" utility bills in Hungary and comparing them with PG&E utility bills from California - and I do not know, should I laugh or cry.

Just stay away from E.U. this is not the price you want to pay.

Bloody Mary

pre 12 godina

What a muppet show: "The local authorities have been informed about the operation which is being carried out so as to strengthen the rule of law and bring to justice those responsible for the crime,” he pointed out."

"Beta has reported that local Serbs are upset and that they have been gathering near the place where barricades were set on July 25. They say that it depends on the international forces’ actions whether the road will once again be blocked."

EULEX had their "show of force", the K-Serbs were "defiant" and everybody is happy. Did this Hawton hand out a script to the parties involved? EULEX:"House search" K-Serb:"Oh, we are so surprised, how dare you?" EULEX:"Rule of law blah blah" K-Serb: "Defiance, drink at 5pm at the "Jolly Slobodan"? EULEX:"That late?"

John

pre 12 godina

Serbian people most realize the Kosova is recognized by the most powerful countries of the world, we offer them to join the EU and big investments in serbia by US and EU, I think the serbian people has a great opportunity to bring their country to the light! You serbs have to forget Kosova, there are independent as long as the world will exist and we think is time for friendship between you and Kosovars! John, Luisville KY

exKFOR

pre 12 godina

"You seem to forget that it was the organised criminals that shot at RUSO / KFOR and anyone else that came into sight" from ilir

during my time with KFOR in 2004 all those albanians did basically the same - still no one got jailed for the crimes they committed because our commanders had politically biased orders - from my part I would have mowed down all those Molotov-coctail throwers as this was armed( yes - Molotov cotail is a weapon) attack against our troops.
keep fighting Serbs!!!

Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

during my time with KFOR in 2004 all those albanians did basically the same - still no one got jailed for the crimes they committed because our commanders had politically biased orders - from my part I would have mowed down all those Molotov-coctail throwers as this was armed( yes - Molotov cotail is a weapon) attack against our troops.
keep fighting Serbs!!!
(exKFOR, 31 August 2011 14:16)


In 2004 , the total number of citizen killed is/was 23, and out of that number, 19 were K-Albanians.

Njeri

pre 12 godina

keep fighting Serbs!!!
(exKFOR, 31 August 2011 14:16)

That dosen't sound like a good messege to the ethnic serb resident of Kosovo. Dosen't wrelly sound like it's coming from an ex Kfor member either since Kfor is there to maintain peace and order between albanians and ethnic serb minority.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Everyone knows who is responsible for this death. It is non other that criminal and terrorist number one in the region, Mr Thaci, backed by NATO and EULEX."
(Zoran, 31 August 2011 10:27)
Why that? Because he ordered the stupid operation? That's only a part. No, still the person who shot the policeman is the murderer.

In other news, we can read that the EULEX organ harvesting investigation is ready to start. Let's hope it will be successful, then the number one terrorist in Kosovo, Thaci, will be arrested, too.

DerbyCity

pre 12 godina

Hope that Criminals. Who ever they might be! Serbs or Albanians get the idea that there is no more "freedom" for them in that part of Kosovo!

Ilir

pre 12 godina

Zoran,

I don't understand your comment that if they should arrest someone it should be Mr Thaqi, I'm sure it's a reflex reaction to anything that happens now.

You seem to forget that it was the organised criminals that shot at RUSO / KFOR and anyone else that came into sight. They must be tried for what they did on the days after the 25th. The dream of running wild in the North of Kosova is over. Law and Order must be restored so normal citizens can have a better life rather than living in a bubble created by Belgrade.

Frank

pre 12 godina

Serbia has had a decade and a half to come to terms with the disastrous policies that it pursued in the 90s that resulted in four lost wars and the Bosnian Genocide. Hundreds of thousands were murdered, tens of thousands raped and tortured and millions forcefully displaced from their homes all because the Serbian politicians and intellectuals wanted to form a Greater Serbian State that was cleansed of non-Serbs. And if one looks at the way Belgrade is acting towards its neighbors it is clear that the same policies are still in place albeit without the use of violence that once characterized them. There is a paper thin pro-Western facade that is placed over a political system that has not in any shape or form been fundamentally reformed from the Milosevic era. Serbian officials want to look like they've renounced Milosevic era policies while at the same time continuing to pursue those same policies backed up by the same nationalist ideologies. Until Serbia truly decides to make a permanent break from Milosevic era politics, ideologies, and policies we will not see real change in the region in terms of peace, stability, or cooperation. Actions speak louder then words. It appears that the more Serbian politicians pretend things change the more they stay the same.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 12 godina

Selective justice at its best and we can thank Tadic (the number one sell-out in the region) for it.
(Zoran, 31 August 2011 10:27)

Nail on the head. Albanian controlled Kosovo is a haven for organised crime including drugs, people/organ/gun smuggling with its so called PM named as a major figure of organised crime yet when Hash sends his goons across the Ibar, one of them gets shot and KFOR/Eulex send in the cavalry. Odd that since no one was apprehended and jailed for numerous crimes committed against Serbs and Roma since 1999 including the pogrom in 2004 and the Nis bus bomber gets off scot free.

If you want to implement a justice system in Kosovo which has the confidence of everyone, you got to go after all the criminals irrespective of nationality not just the Serb/Roma ones.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Everyone knows who is responsible for this death. It is non other that criminal and terrorist number one in the region, Mr Thaci, backed by NATO and EULEX.

If they truly wanted to strengthen the rule of law in the region they should immediately start investigating the countless number of non-Albanians murdered, harassed, abducted, had their organs extracted and bombed over the last few years.

Selective justice at its best and we can thank Tadic (the number one sell-out in the region) for it.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 12 godina

Selective justice at its best and we can thank Tadic (the number one sell-out in the region) for it.
(Zoran, 31 August 2011 10:27)

Nail on the head. Albanian controlled Kosovo is a haven for organised crime including drugs, people/organ/gun smuggling with its so called PM named as a major figure of organised crime yet when Hash sends his goons across the Ibar, one of them gets shot and KFOR/Eulex send in the cavalry. Odd that since no one was apprehended and jailed for numerous crimes committed against Serbs and Roma since 1999 including the pogrom in 2004 and the Nis bus bomber gets off scot free.

If you want to implement a justice system in Kosovo which has the confidence of everyone, you got to go after all the criminals irrespective of nationality not just the Serb/Roma ones.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Everyone knows who is responsible for this death. It is non other that criminal and terrorist number one in the region, Mr Thaci, backed by NATO and EULEX.

If they truly wanted to strengthen the rule of law in the region they should immediately start investigating the countless number of non-Albanians murdered, harassed, abducted, had their organs extracted and bombed over the last few years.

Selective justice at its best and we can thank Tadic (the number one sell-out in the region) for it.

Ilir

pre 12 godina

Zoran,

I don't understand your comment that if they should arrest someone it should be Mr Thaqi, I'm sure it's a reflex reaction to anything that happens now.

You seem to forget that it was the organised criminals that shot at RUSO / KFOR and anyone else that came into sight. They must be tried for what they did on the days after the 25th. The dream of running wild in the North of Kosova is over. Law and Order must be restored so normal citizens can have a better life rather than living in a bubble created by Belgrade.

Frank

pre 12 godina

Serbia has had a decade and a half to come to terms with the disastrous policies that it pursued in the 90s that resulted in four lost wars and the Bosnian Genocide. Hundreds of thousands were murdered, tens of thousands raped and tortured and millions forcefully displaced from their homes all because the Serbian politicians and intellectuals wanted to form a Greater Serbian State that was cleansed of non-Serbs. And if one looks at the way Belgrade is acting towards its neighbors it is clear that the same policies are still in place albeit without the use of violence that once characterized them. There is a paper thin pro-Western facade that is placed over a political system that has not in any shape or form been fundamentally reformed from the Milosevic era. Serbian officials want to look like they've renounced Milosevic era policies while at the same time continuing to pursue those same policies backed up by the same nationalist ideologies. Until Serbia truly decides to make a permanent break from Milosevic era politics, ideologies, and policies we will not see real change in the region in terms of peace, stability, or cooperation. Actions speak louder then words. It appears that the more Serbian politicians pretend things change the more they stay the same.

DerbyCity

pre 12 godina

Hope that Criminals. Who ever they might be! Serbs or Albanians get the idea that there is no more "freedom" for them in that part of Kosovo!

exKFOR

pre 12 godina

"You seem to forget that it was the organised criminals that shot at RUSO / KFOR and anyone else that came into sight" from ilir

during my time with KFOR in 2004 all those albanians did basically the same - still no one got jailed for the crimes they committed because our commanders had politically biased orders - from my part I would have mowed down all those Molotov-coctail throwers as this was armed( yes - Molotov cotail is a weapon) attack against our troops.
keep fighting Serbs!!!

Claude

pre 12 godina

(balkanbert, 31 August 2011 18:47)
You claim to have been a senior staff with OSCE 10 yeras ago. To me, this tells me that your appointment was so short
(Agim Kelmendi, 31 August 2011 20:14)

Oh the arrogance of some knows no bounds! It is amazingly pathetic to know that people like Agim cannot fathom that there were (and still are) internationals in Kosovo that simply do not support the Albanian agenda.

Ignorance must indeed be bliss.

Njeri

pre 12 godina

keep fighting Serbs!!!
(exKFOR, 31 August 2011 14:16)

That dosen't sound like a good messege to the ethnic serb resident of Kosovo. Dosen't wrelly sound like it's coming from an ex Kfor member either since Kfor is there to maintain peace and order between albanians and ethnic serb minority.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Everyone knows who is responsible for this death. It is non other that criminal and terrorist number one in the region, Mr Thaci, backed by NATO and EULEX."
(Zoran, 31 August 2011 10:27)
Why that? Because he ordered the stupid operation? That's only a part. No, still the person who shot the policeman is the murderer.

In other news, we can read that the EULEX organ harvesting investigation is ready to start. Let's hope it will be successful, then the number one terrorist in Kosovo, Thaci, will be arrested, too.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

during my time with KFOR in 2004 all those albanians did basically the same - still no one got jailed for the crimes they committed because our commanders had politically biased orders - from my part I would have mowed down all those Molotov-coctail throwers as this was armed( yes - Molotov cotail is a weapon) attack against our troops.
keep fighting Serbs!!!
(exKFOR, 31 August 2011 14:16)


In 2004 , the total number of citizen killed is/was 23, and out of that number, 19 were K-Albanians.

gnr25

pre 12 godina

The question is, was it murder or was it a battle between Serbs and Albanians? Kosovo special police moving to take control of the border crossings was a threat to the sovereignty of Serbs living in northern Kosovo. Why are some surprised that they have been standing up and in the case of July 25th, fighting for their homes and to remain part of Serbia?

Bloody Mary

pre 12 godina

What a muppet show: "The local authorities have been informed about the operation which is being carried out so as to strengthen the rule of law and bring to justice those responsible for the crime,” he pointed out."

"Beta has reported that local Serbs are upset and that they have been gathering near the place where barricades were set on July 25. They say that it depends on the international forces’ actions whether the road will once again be blocked."

EULEX had their "show of force", the K-Serbs were "defiant" and everybody is happy. Did this Hawton hand out a script to the parties involved? EULEX:"House search" K-Serb:"Oh, we are so surprised, how dare you?" EULEX:"Rule of law blah blah" K-Serb: "Defiance, drink at 5pm at the "Jolly Slobodan"? EULEX:"That late?"

sj

pre 12 godina

You claim to have been a senior staff with OSCE 10 yeras ago. To me, this tells me that your appointment was so short and you are so pissed off that you did not get rich. You have no right to speak.
By the way, why on b92 serbian language site it says that Kosova Police, Eulex &Kfor took part in the operation, yet on english page KP is not mentioned? Just an honest answer, please!?
(Agim Kelmendi, 31 August 2011 20:14)


There are dozens and dozens like Balkan Bert, people who have spent time in Kosovo and tell the same story and they range from ordinary soldiers to some very senior officials.

These people were not “kicked out” as you like to think but they finished their term and did not wish to stay as they do not have the stomachs to watch what was going on.

“….so pissed off that you did not get rich”

Not everyone is like the Albos, mate. Some people actually have trouble sleeping at night.

On the subject of B92, why are you on here? Surely there is an Albanian run media site? No, still getting used to the printing press eh?

Englebert

pre 12 godina

On the subject of B92, why are you on here? Surely there is an Albanian run media site? (sj, 31 August 2011 23:42)

I have asked myself that same questions on many occasions regarding this guy, "the People's Champion" Bobby Frisco, and a few others who whine and complain about the moderators, the journalists, or Serbia in general. I guess it just boils down to the fact that they like attention, in any form... and this forum provides a much-needed (dysfunctional) family environment for them.

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Ataman,why don't you try North Korea? Just claim you are a Russian and the "beloved leader" will welcome you!
(Bloody Mary, 31 August 2011 19:51)


Isn't it a shame that you are on the No Fly List? Perhaps you should try North Korea? Look at the bright side: Another citizenship! You should only burn your American passport before entering. Just claim you are a Russian.
(Bloody Mary, 31 August 2011 19:00)

Mirjam,

I kind of begin to feel, you had some really traumatic experience during the conflict: frequent change of the nicks and very emotional style, pretty much unique to you, regardless what nick you use.

If that's the case I am with you and I feel really sorry if anyone did hurt you in person. If doing that makes you feel better - no problem. Few years ago an Austrian lady begun to yell hysterically and she hit me a few times. I did survive that ordeal - what was odd, she yelled "you bombed my country". Turned out, she was a Croatian from Austria and for her "my country" was Serbia in 1999. I landed up comforting her and she was crying (not me, who was hit).

John

pre 12 godina

Serbian people most realize the Kosova is recognized by the most powerful countries of the world, we offer them to join the EU and big investments in serbia by US and EU, I think the serbian people has a great opportunity to bring their country to the light! You serbs have to forget Kosova, there are independent as long as the world will exist and we think is time for friendship between you and Kosovars! John, Luisville KY

Milan

pre 12 godina

Balkan Bert,

Amen and thank you for sharing your story on this site and confirming what most of us knew or suspected. Fortunately you do not care that the Albanian village computer warriors are going to trash your comments. That is all they can do after having received excellent history education in parallel Albanian language-based institutions and media.

a New Day

pre 12 godina

during my time with KFOR in 2004 all those albanians did basically the same - still no one got jailed for the crimes they committed because our commanders had politically biased orders - from my part I would have mowed down all those Molotov-coctail throwers as this was armed( yes - Molotov cotail is a weapon) attack against our troops.
keep fighting Serbs!!!
(exKFOR, 31 August 2011 14:16
If you were there with KFOR as you claim, you know that Kfor did not react until it was almost over as they claimed it was a police issue, You would also know that there were several arrests and several convictions! However if you were in Serbia sitting in a coffee shop as suspected, you would have this reaction.

Bloody Mary

pre 12 godina

We already got some experience with that, thank you. I am looking at my "after investment" utility bills in Hungary and comparing them with PG&E utility bills from California - and I do not know, should I laugh or cry.
Just stay away from E.U. this is not the price you want to pay.
(Ataman, 31 August 2011 17:52)

Isn't it a shame that you are on the No Fly List? Perhaps you should try North Korea? Look at the bright side: Another citizenship! You should only burn your American passport before entering. Just claim you are a Russian.

Bloody Mary

pre 12 godina

We already got some experience with that, thank you. I am looking at my "after investment" utility bills in Hungary and comparing them with PG&E utility bills from California - and I do not know, should I laugh or cry.
Just stay away from E.U. this is not the price you want to pay.
(Ataman, 31 August 2011 17:52)

Ataman,why don't you try North Korea? Just claim you are a Russian and the "beloved leader" will welcome you!

Hank the Tank

pre 12 godina

It's obvious what ALBOLEX is trying to do. Make life difficult for the Serbs by harassing them on a daily basis. Not to mention the fact that they are preventing food and other necessities to reach the Serbs. These attemps will fail. But unfortunately Thaci today laid the groundwork for a military attack against the north by calling Serbs who lived there terrorists and criminals, justifying the expulsion of all Serbs from their homes and ancestral homeland. The West and their albo gang think that Serbia will recognize Kosovo after the last Serb has left Kosovo. Wouldn't it be easier to come up with an agreement that both sides can accept rather then only satisfying the bad guys? The problems in Kosovo are just begining. Thaci is about to start something that he will regret.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

As a senior officer with the OSCE in Kosovo ten years ago, I have been following up on all
developments in the area up to now and have remained in touch with old colleagues – not only from
the OSCE but from KFOR and international police units as well. Thus, I got a lot of eyewitness reports
from the ethnic cleansing campaign in 2004 orchestrated by UCK under the watchful eyes of KFOR.
And I know from these old colleagues, that a certain number of them in violation of their orders and
regulation managed to hand out weapons and ammunition to Kosovo Serbs - in order to help them
to protect their lives when the onslaught started. I know personally some out of this “real
international community” who were even fighting alongside with non-Albanians to support their selfdefense.
What I do not know though is whether or not there are still international staff willing and able and
brave enough to support Serbs in Northern Kosovo when Pristina based institutions and their
gunmen turn into reality what they already announced: to bypass UN, EULEX and KFOR in another
violent unilateral move aimed at seizing Northern Kosovo.
As a matter of fact, the so-called and usually self-appointed international community has so far given
in to the use of violence orchestrated by Thaci, Ceku, Haradinaj (and Ahmeti as well) - and in so far
awarded and encouraged them to continue with sparking armed conflict in the pursuit of their goals.
They have learned this lesson and will not stop using violence or threatening to do so at the border
of Kosovo. If no measures are being taken including determined military action, the UCK (or however
they may call themselves) will sooner or later set the Balkans once again on fire.
Well, I am not optimistic that measures to prevent from these violence are under consideration. How
could I, after listening to statements issued by senior officials from EU and NATO countries including presidents and heads of states (like by "my" chancelor Merkel) on Kosovo in particular during the past days and weeks.
Poor Europe – I had a dream, now it is fading away…

Bloody Mary

pre 12 godina

Ataman,first of all sorry for the double post (while sending the first one I received the message that B92 was temporarily unavailable that's why I considered it lost)

Second and most important of all: As always you, the all-knowing, all-seeing oracle, are far away from the truth. But Ataman, Jez and all your other characters are of course free to keep on guessing!

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Serbian people most realize the Kosova is recognized by the most powerful countries of the world, we offer them to join the EU and big investments in serbia by US and EU, I think the serbian people has a great opportunity to bring their country to the light! You serbs have to forget Kosova, there are independent as long as the world will exist and we think is time for friendship between you and Kosovars! John, Luisville KY
(John, 31 August 2011 15:42)

The approach of Vojvodina-Hungarians is more mature. Go and ask them about their attitude towards potential territory adjustments and "investments" from E.U. + USA.

The usual answer is:

"We do not have enough rope to hang all the criminal politicians in Belgrade, why would we need extra trouble to try hanging even more criminals in Budapest?"

And of course we know who will benefit the most from these "big investments" by some U.S. and E.U. crook companies - because of course mostly crooks come here to "invest". We already got some experience with that, thank you. I am looking at my "after investment" utility bills in Hungary and comparing them with PG&E utility bills from California - and I do not know, should I laugh or cry.

Just stay away from E.U. this is not the price you want to pay.

roberto

pre 12 godina

Serbia has had a decade and a half to come to terms with the disastrous policies that it pursued in the 90s that resulted in four lost wars and the Bosnian Genocide. Hundreds of thousands were murdered, tens of thousands raped and tortured and millions forcefully displaced from their homes all because the Serbian politicians and intellectuals wanted to form a Greater Serbian State that was cleansed of non-Serbs. And if one looks at the way Belgrade is acting towards its neighbors it is clear that the same policies are still in place albeit without the use of violence that once characterized them. There is a paper thin pro-Western facade that is placed over a political system that has not in any shape or form been fundamentally reformed from the Milosevic era. Serbian officials want to look like they've renounced Milosevic era policies while at the same time continuing to pursue those same policies backed up by the same nationalist ideologies. Until Serbia truly decides to make a permanent break from Milosevic era politics, ideologies, and policies we will not see real change in the region in terms of peace, stability, or cooperation. Actions speak louder then words. It appears that the more Serbian politicians pretend things change the more they stay the same.
(Frank, 31 August 2011 11:08)--

Very well said, and the most amazing part -- you made it past the democratic censor!

don't be a stranger...

roberto frisco

to a New Day

pre 12 godina

yes, ideed there were several arrests, like terrorist S. Lushtaku in Srbica - but he got released under pressure by US deputy CO KFOR, like most of those savagers. those few who were sentenced - this is a contempt of justice - ridiculously light sentences. someone here mentioned about ratio of the killed albos - it was too low if one compares what they inflicted upon the Serbs and international community - do not forget how many international troops got wounded. By the way, KFOR was out in the streets before savagers really commenced their destruction and ethinic cleansing they have always wanted to do...but as i already mentioned, all the orders were politically biased against the real owners of Kosovo - the Serbs - but one day the justice will prevail and albos will go back where they came from - a mystical land of illyria.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

(balkanbert, 31 August 2011 18:47)
You claim to have been a senior staff with OSCE 10 yeras ago. To me, this tells me that your appointment was so short and you are so pissed off that you did not get rich. You have no right to speak.
By the way, why on b92 serbian language site it says that Kosova Police, Eulex &Kfor took part in the operation, yet on english page KP is not mentioned? Just an honest answer, please!?

iliri

pre 12 godina

Funny posts, from former UNMIK an Kfor service men...could you be so kind to explain us why you were kicked out of the mission or fired? It si very common to see serbs claiming to be albanians and offendin around in forums :) merkel goes to beograd and speaks rather critically on serbs, now suddenly we have angry germans who hate albanians on forums...

Nikoli

pre 12 godina

The problem is you people believe what your told, Again thank Wikileaks for spilling a little truth from the all powerful USA.

PRISTINA 00000044 002 OF 004
¶3. (C) For much of the past ten years, pursuit of our strategic goal of a stable, democratic, multi- ethnic Kosovo has taken a back seat in the North to tactical concerns of avoiding demonstrations and clashes. Fortunately, there is a growing consensus in the international community that the time is now to reverse this trend. Embassies of the major European powers, the U.S., the International Civilian Office and the European Union Rule of Law Mission EULEX have agreed on a Northern Strategy to displace the illegal parallel structures, introduce legitimate, legal GOK structures, and increase the presence and improve the performance of rule of law institutions (customs, police and courts) in Northern Kosovo. The GOK has accepted this strategy as its own, and has pledged budget resources toward its implementation.

That this international and local alliance for action in Northern Kosovo comes while KFOR remains at a robust presence of roughly 10,000 troops is fortunate. The Northern Strategy (septel) has been designed to incentivize participation in GOK structures, not to impose them by force. That said, local forces, including Serbs and Albanians who benefit from the current near lawless environment, could attempt to use violence to disrupt attempts to collect customs duties or reopen courts. KFOR at 10,000 will play an important, if ancillary, role in this strategy to ensure Kosovo’s long-term stability and territorial integrity. At 10,000, KFOR remains capable to respond to multiple, simultaneous incidents. KFOR’s ability to respond with overwhelming force to multiple provocations will itself serve as a valuable deterrent

we would argue that the time is ripe to move from a negative operationalization of security, based on the absence of incidents, to a positive one. Such an operationalization would establish realistic, observable measures of success in reversing a decade of erosion in Northern Kosovo and establishing Kosovo’s authority throughout its territory. Such benchmarks should include:
-- successful establishment of the decentralized municipality of North Mitrovica;
-- re-establishment of collection of customs revenue at Gates 1 and 31, as part of a single, Kosovo-wide customs regime;
-- enhanced EULEX police presence in Northern Kosovo
- the replacement of illegal parallel municipal authorities in Northern Kosovo with, legal, legitimately constituted Kosovo bodies;

Benchmarks for this success include replacement of illegal parallel structures with legitimate Kosovo bodies, the establishment of robust rule of law institutions, the re-establishment of customs controls and revenue collection, and the re-establishment of legal, normalized electrical services and billing under KEK control. END SUMMARY

But remember they are completely independent....

icj1

pre 12 godina

The question is, was it murder or was it a battle between Serbs and Albanians? Kosovo special police moving to take control of the border crossings was a threat to the sovereignty of Serbs living in northern Kosovo. Why are some surprised that they have been standing up and in the case of July 25th, fighting for their homes and to remain part of Serbia?
(gnr25, 1 September 2011 05:08)


You are absolutely right... it probably was a battle between Serbs and Albanians. However, if there is a battle, the battle rules have to be respected; i.e. the parties which are fighting need to wear uniforms so that they can be distinguished from civilians to avoid the shooting of civilians. Since the battling Serbs were not in uniforms to clearly distinguish themselves from the Serb civilians to avoid putting the Serb civilians' life at risk, than the "battle" theory has to be excluded.

Zoran

pre 12 godina

Everyone knows who is responsible for this death. It is non other that criminal and terrorist number one in the region, Mr Thaci, backed by NATO and EULEX.

If they truly wanted to strengthen the rule of law in the region they should immediately start investigating the countless number of non-Albanians murdered, harassed, abducted, had their organs extracted and bombed over the last few years.

Selective justice at its best and we can thank Tadic (the number one sell-out in the region) for it.

Frank

pre 12 godina

Serbia has had a decade and a half to come to terms with the disastrous policies that it pursued in the 90s that resulted in four lost wars and the Bosnian Genocide. Hundreds of thousands were murdered, tens of thousands raped and tortured and millions forcefully displaced from their homes all because the Serbian politicians and intellectuals wanted to form a Greater Serbian State that was cleansed of non-Serbs. And if one looks at the way Belgrade is acting towards its neighbors it is clear that the same policies are still in place albeit without the use of violence that once characterized them. There is a paper thin pro-Western facade that is placed over a political system that has not in any shape or form been fundamentally reformed from the Milosevic era. Serbian officials want to look like they've renounced Milosevic era policies while at the same time continuing to pursue those same policies backed up by the same nationalist ideologies. Until Serbia truly decides to make a permanent break from Milosevic era politics, ideologies, and policies we will not see real change in the region in terms of peace, stability, or cooperation. Actions speak louder then words. It appears that the more Serbian politicians pretend things change the more they stay the same.

Niall O'Doherty

pre 12 godina

Selective justice at its best and we can thank Tadic (the number one sell-out in the region) for it.
(Zoran, 31 August 2011 10:27)

Nail on the head. Albanian controlled Kosovo is a haven for organised crime including drugs, people/organ/gun smuggling with its so called PM named as a major figure of organised crime yet when Hash sends his goons across the Ibar, one of them gets shot and KFOR/Eulex send in the cavalry. Odd that since no one was apprehended and jailed for numerous crimes committed against Serbs and Roma since 1999 including the pogrom in 2004 and the Nis bus bomber gets off scot free.

If you want to implement a justice system in Kosovo which has the confidence of everyone, you got to go after all the criminals irrespective of nationality not just the Serb/Roma ones.

Ilir

pre 12 godina

Zoran,

I don't understand your comment that if they should arrest someone it should be Mr Thaqi, I'm sure it's a reflex reaction to anything that happens now.

You seem to forget that it was the organised criminals that shot at RUSO / KFOR and anyone else that came into sight. They must be tried for what they did on the days after the 25th. The dream of running wild in the North of Kosova is over. Law and Order must be restored so normal citizens can have a better life rather than living in a bubble created by Belgrade.

exKFOR

pre 12 godina

"You seem to forget that it was the organised criminals that shot at RUSO / KFOR and anyone else that came into sight" from ilir

during my time with KFOR in 2004 all those albanians did basically the same - still no one got jailed for the crimes they committed because our commanders had politically biased orders - from my part I would have mowed down all those Molotov-coctail throwers as this was armed( yes - Molotov cotail is a weapon) attack against our troops.
keep fighting Serbs!!!

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Everyone knows who is responsible for this death. It is non other that criminal and terrorist number one in the region, Mr Thaci, backed by NATO and EULEX."
(Zoran, 31 August 2011 10:27)
Why that? Because he ordered the stupid operation? That's only a part. No, still the person who shot the policeman is the murderer.

In other news, we can read that the EULEX organ harvesting investigation is ready to start. Let's hope it will be successful, then the number one terrorist in Kosovo, Thaci, will be arrested, too.

roberto

pre 12 godina

Serbia has had a decade and a half to come to terms with the disastrous policies that it pursued in the 90s that resulted in four lost wars and the Bosnian Genocide. Hundreds of thousands were murdered, tens of thousands raped and tortured and millions forcefully displaced from their homes all because the Serbian politicians and intellectuals wanted to form a Greater Serbian State that was cleansed of non-Serbs. And if one looks at the way Belgrade is acting towards its neighbors it is clear that the same policies are still in place albeit without the use of violence that once characterized them. There is a paper thin pro-Western facade that is placed over a political system that has not in any shape or form been fundamentally reformed from the Milosevic era. Serbian officials want to look like they've renounced Milosevic era policies while at the same time continuing to pursue those same policies backed up by the same nationalist ideologies. Until Serbia truly decides to make a permanent break from Milosevic era politics, ideologies, and policies we will not see real change in the region in terms of peace, stability, or cooperation. Actions speak louder then words. It appears that the more Serbian politicians pretend things change the more they stay the same.
(Frank, 31 August 2011 11:08)--

Very well said, and the most amazing part -- you made it past the democratic censor!

don't be a stranger...

roberto frisco

Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

during my time with KFOR in 2004 all those albanians did basically the same - still no one got jailed for the crimes they committed because our commanders had politically biased orders - from my part I would have mowed down all those Molotov-coctail throwers as this was armed( yes - Molotov cotail is a weapon) attack against our troops.
keep fighting Serbs!!!
(exKFOR, 31 August 2011 14:16)


In 2004 , the total number of citizen killed is/was 23, and out of that number, 19 were K-Albanians.

Njeri

pre 12 godina

keep fighting Serbs!!!
(exKFOR, 31 August 2011 14:16)

That dosen't sound like a good messege to the ethnic serb resident of Kosovo. Dosen't wrelly sound like it's coming from an ex Kfor member either since Kfor is there to maintain peace and order between albanians and ethnic serb minority.

John

pre 12 godina

Serbian people most realize the Kosova is recognized by the most powerful countries of the world, we offer them to join the EU and big investments in serbia by US and EU, I think the serbian people has a great opportunity to bring their country to the light! You serbs have to forget Kosova, there are independent as long as the world will exist and we think is time for friendship between you and Kosovars! John, Luisville KY

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Ataman,why don't you try North Korea? Just claim you are a Russian and the "beloved leader" will welcome you!
(Bloody Mary, 31 August 2011 19:51)


Isn't it a shame that you are on the No Fly List? Perhaps you should try North Korea? Look at the bright side: Another citizenship! You should only burn your American passport before entering. Just claim you are a Russian.
(Bloody Mary, 31 August 2011 19:00)

Mirjam,

I kind of begin to feel, you had some really traumatic experience during the conflict: frequent change of the nicks and very emotional style, pretty much unique to you, regardless what nick you use.

If that's the case I am with you and I feel really sorry if anyone did hurt you in person. If doing that makes you feel better - no problem. Few years ago an Austrian lady begun to yell hysterically and she hit me a few times. I did survive that ordeal - what was odd, she yelled "you bombed my country". Turned out, she was a Croatian from Austria and for her "my country" was Serbia in 1999. I landed up comforting her and she was crying (not me, who was hit).

a New Day

pre 12 godina

during my time with KFOR in 2004 all those albanians did basically the same - still no one got jailed for the crimes they committed because our commanders had politically biased orders - from my part I would have mowed down all those Molotov-coctail throwers as this was armed( yes - Molotov cotail is a weapon) attack against our troops.
keep fighting Serbs!!!
(exKFOR, 31 August 2011 14:16
If you were there with KFOR as you claim, you know that Kfor did not react until it was almost over as they claimed it was a police issue, You would also know that there were several arrests and several convictions! However if you were in Serbia sitting in a coffee shop as suspected, you would have this reaction.

Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

(balkanbert, 31 August 2011 18:47)
You claim to have been a senior staff with OSCE 10 yeras ago. To me, this tells me that your appointment was so short and you are so pissed off that you did not get rich. You have no right to speak.
By the way, why on b92 serbian language site it says that Kosova Police, Eulex &Kfor took part in the operation, yet on english page KP is not mentioned? Just an honest answer, please!?

sj

pre 12 godina

You claim to have been a senior staff with OSCE 10 yeras ago. To me, this tells me that your appointment was so short and you are so pissed off that you did not get rich. You have no right to speak.
By the way, why on b92 serbian language site it says that Kosova Police, Eulex &Kfor took part in the operation, yet on english page KP is not mentioned? Just an honest answer, please!?
(Agim Kelmendi, 31 August 2011 20:14)


There are dozens and dozens like Balkan Bert, people who have spent time in Kosovo and tell the same story and they range from ordinary soldiers to some very senior officials.

These people were not “kicked out” as you like to think but they finished their term and did not wish to stay as they do not have the stomachs to watch what was going on.

“….so pissed off that you did not get rich”

Not everyone is like the Albos, mate. Some people actually have trouble sleeping at night.

On the subject of B92, why are you on here? Surely there is an Albanian run media site? No, still getting used to the printing press eh?

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Serbian people most realize the Kosova is recognized by the most powerful countries of the world, we offer them to join the EU and big investments in serbia by US and EU, I think the serbian people has a great opportunity to bring their country to the light! You serbs have to forget Kosova, there are independent as long as the world will exist and we think is time for friendship between you and Kosovars! John, Luisville KY
(John, 31 August 2011 15:42)

The approach of Vojvodina-Hungarians is more mature. Go and ask them about their attitude towards potential territory adjustments and "investments" from E.U. + USA.

The usual answer is:

"We do not have enough rope to hang all the criminal politicians in Belgrade, why would we need extra trouble to try hanging even more criminals in Budapest?"

And of course we know who will benefit the most from these "big investments" by some U.S. and E.U. crook companies - because of course mostly crooks come here to "invest". We already got some experience with that, thank you. I am looking at my "after investment" utility bills in Hungary and comparing them with PG&E utility bills from California - and I do not know, should I laugh or cry.

Just stay away from E.U. this is not the price you want to pay.

DerbyCity

pre 12 godina

Hope that Criminals. Who ever they might be! Serbs or Albanians get the idea that there is no more "freedom" for them in that part of Kosovo!

iliri

pre 12 godina

Funny posts, from former UNMIK an Kfor service men...could you be so kind to explain us why you were kicked out of the mission or fired? It si very common to see serbs claiming to be albanians and offendin around in forums :) merkel goes to beograd and speaks rather critically on serbs, now suddenly we have angry germans who hate albanians on forums...

Claude

pre 12 godina

(balkanbert, 31 August 2011 18:47)
You claim to have been a senior staff with OSCE 10 yeras ago. To me, this tells me that your appointment was so short
(Agim Kelmendi, 31 August 2011 20:14)

Oh the arrogance of some knows no bounds! It is amazingly pathetic to know that people like Agim cannot fathom that there were (and still are) internationals in Kosovo that simply do not support the Albanian agenda.

Ignorance must indeed be bliss.

Englebert

pre 12 godina

On the subject of B92, why are you on here? Surely there is an Albanian run media site? (sj, 31 August 2011 23:42)

I have asked myself that same questions on many occasions regarding this guy, "the People's Champion" Bobby Frisco, and a few others who whine and complain about the moderators, the journalists, or Serbia in general. I guess it just boils down to the fact that they like attention, in any form... and this forum provides a much-needed (dysfunctional) family environment for them.

Bloody Mary

pre 12 godina

What a muppet show: "The local authorities have been informed about the operation which is being carried out so as to strengthen the rule of law and bring to justice those responsible for the crime,” he pointed out."

"Beta has reported that local Serbs are upset and that they have been gathering near the place where barricades were set on July 25. They say that it depends on the international forces’ actions whether the road will once again be blocked."

EULEX had their "show of force", the K-Serbs were "defiant" and everybody is happy. Did this Hawton hand out a script to the parties involved? EULEX:"House search" K-Serb:"Oh, we are so surprised, how dare you?" EULEX:"Rule of law blah blah" K-Serb: "Defiance, drink at 5pm at the "Jolly Slobodan"? EULEX:"That late?"

Hank the Tank

pre 12 godina

It's obvious what ALBOLEX is trying to do. Make life difficult for the Serbs by harassing them on a daily basis. Not to mention the fact that they are preventing food and other necessities to reach the Serbs. These attemps will fail. But unfortunately Thaci today laid the groundwork for a military attack against the north by calling Serbs who lived there terrorists and criminals, justifying the expulsion of all Serbs from their homes and ancestral homeland. The West and their albo gang think that Serbia will recognize Kosovo after the last Serb has left Kosovo. Wouldn't it be easier to come up with an agreement that both sides can accept rather then only satisfying the bad guys? The problems in Kosovo are just begining. Thaci is about to start something that he will regret.

Bloody Mary

pre 12 godina

We already got some experience with that, thank you. I am looking at my "after investment" utility bills in Hungary and comparing them with PG&E utility bills from California - and I do not know, should I laugh or cry.
Just stay away from E.U. this is not the price you want to pay.
(Ataman, 31 August 2011 17:52)

Ataman,why don't you try North Korea? Just claim you are a Russian and the "beloved leader" will welcome you!

gnr25

pre 12 godina

The question is, was it murder or was it a battle between Serbs and Albanians? Kosovo special police moving to take control of the border crossings was a threat to the sovereignty of Serbs living in northern Kosovo. Why are some surprised that they have been standing up and in the case of July 25th, fighting for their homes and to remain part of Serbia?

Bloody Mary

pre 12 godina

We already got some experience with that, thank you. I am looking at my "after investment" utility bills in Hungary and comparing them with PG&E utility bills from California - and I do not know, should I laugh or cry.
Just stay away from E.U. this is not the price you want to pay.
(Ataman, 31 August 2011 17:52)

Isn't it a shame that you are on the No Fly List? Perhaps you should try North Korea? Look at the bright side: Another citizenship! You should only burn your American passport before entering. Just claim you are a Russian.

balkanbert

pre 12 godina

As a senior officer with the OSCE in Kosovo ten years ago, I have been following up on all
developments in the area up to now and have remained in touch with old colleagues – not only from
the OSCE but from KFOR and international police units as well. Thus, I got a lot of eyewitness reports
from the ethnic cleansing campaign in 2004 orchestrated by UCK under the watchful eyes of KFOR.
And I know from these old colleagues, that a certain number of them in violation of their orders and
regulation managed to hand out weapons and ammunition to Kosovo Serbs - in order to help them
to protect their lives when the onslaught started. I know personally some out of this “real
international community” who were even fighting alongside with non-Albanians to support their selfdefense.
What I do not know though is whether or not there are still international staff willing and able and
brave enough to support Serbs in Northern Kosovo when Pristina based institutions and their
gunmen turn into reality what they already announced: to bypass UN, EULEX and KFOR in another
violent unilateral move aimed at seizing Northern Kosovo.
As a matter of fact, the so-called and usually self-appointed international community has so far given
in to the use of violence orchestrated by Thaci, Ceku, Haradinaj (and Ahmeti as well) - and in so far
awarded and encouraged them to continue with sparking armed conflict in the pursuit of their goals.
They have learned this lesson and will not stop using violence or threatening to do so at the border
of Kosovo. If no measures are being taken including determined military action, the UCK (or however
they may call themselves) will sooner or later set the Balkans once again on fire.
Well, I am not optimistic that measures to prevent from these violence are under consideration. How
could I, after listening to statements issued by senior officials from EU and NATO countries including presidents and heads of states (like by "my" chancelor Merkel) on Kosovo in particular during the past days and weeks.
Poor Europe – I had a dream, now it is fading away…

Milan

pre 12 godina

Balkan Bert,

Amen and thank you for sharing your story on this site and confirming what most of us knew or suspected. Fortunately you do not care that the Albanian village computer warriors are going to trash your comments. That is all they can do after having received excellent history education in parallel Albanian language-based institutions and media.

Bloody Mary

pre 12 godina

Ataman,first of all sorry for the double post (while sending the first one I received the message that B92 was temporarily unavailable that's why I considered it lost)

Second and most important of all: As always you, the all-knowing, all-seeing oracle, are far away from the truth. But Ataman, Jez and all your other characters are of course free to keep on guessing!

to a New Day

pre 12 godina

yes, ideed there were several arrests, like terrorist S. Lushtaku in Srbica - but he got released under pressure by US deputy CO KFOR, like most of those savagers. those few who were sentenced - this is a contempt of justice - ridiculously light sentences. someone here mentioned about ratio of the killed albos - it was too low if one compares what they inflicted upon the Serbs and international community - do not forget how many international troops got wounded. By the way, KFOR was out in the streets before savagers really commenced their destruction and ethinic cleansing they have always wanted to do...but as i already mentioned, all the orders were politically biased against the real owners of Kosovo - the Serbs - but one day the justice will prevail and albos will go back where they came from - a mystical land of illyria.

Nikoli

pre 12 godina

The problem is you people believe what your told, Again thank Wikileaks for spilling a little truth from the all powerful USA.

PRISTINA 00000044 002 OF 004
¶3. (C) For much of the past ten years, pursuit of our strategic goal of a stable, democratic, multi- ethnic Kosovo has taken a back seat in the North to tactical concerns of avoiding demonstrations and clashes. Fortunately, there is a growing consensus in the international community that the time is now to reverse this trend. Embassies of the major European powers, the U.S., the International Civilian Office and the European Union Rule of Law Mission EULEX have agreed on a Northern Strategy to displace the illegal parallel structures, introduce legitimate, legal GOK structures, and increase the presence and improve the performance of rule of law institutions (customs, police and courts) in Northern Kosovo. The GOK has accepted this strategy as its own, and has pledged budget resources toward its implementation.

That this international and local alliance for action in Northern Kosovo comes while KFOR remains at a robust presence of roughly 10,000 troops is fortunate. The Northern Strategy (septel) has been designed to incentivize participation in GOK structures, not to impose them by force. That said, local forces, including Serbs and Albanians who benefit from the current near lawless environment, could attempt to use violence to disrupt attempts to collect customs duties or reopen courts. KFOR at 10,000 will play an important, if ancillary, role in this strategy to ensure Kosovo’s long-term stability and territorial integrity. At 10,000, KFOR remains capable to respond to multiple, simultaneous incidents. KFOR’s ability to respond with overwhelming force to multiple provocations will itself serve as a valuable deterrent

we would argue that the time is ripe to move from a negative operationalization of security, based on the absence of incidents, to a positive one. Such an operationalization would establish realistic, observable measures of success in reversing a decade of erosion in Northern Kosovo and establishing Kosovo’s authority throughout its territory. Such benchmarks should include:
-- successful establishment of the decentralized municipality of North Mitrovica;
-- re-establishment of collection of customs revenue at Gates 1 and 31, as part of a single, Kosovo-wide customs regime;
-- enhanced EULEX police presence in Northern Kosovo
- the replacement of illegal parallel municipal authorities in Northern Kosovo with, legal, legitimately constituted Kosovo bodies;

Benchmarks for this success include replacement of illegal parallel structures with legitimate Kosovo bodies, the establishment of robust rule of law institutions, the re-establishment of customs controls and revenue collection, and the re-establishment of legal, normalized electrical services and billing under KEK control. END SUMMARY

But remember they are completely independent....

icj1

pre 12 godina

The question is, was it murder or was it a battle between Serbs and Albanians? Kosovo special police moving to take control of the border crossings was a threat to the sovereignty of Serbs living in northern Kosovo. Why are some surprised that they have been standing up and in the case of July 25th, fighting for their homes and to remain part of Serbia?
(gnr25, 1 September 2011 05:08)


You are absolutely right... it probably was a battle between Serbs and Albanians. However, if there is a battle, the battle rules have to be respected; i.e. the parties which are fighting need to wear uniforms so that they can be distinguished from civilians to avoid the shooting of civilians. Since the battling Serbs were not in uniforms to clearly distinguish themselves from the Serb civilians to avoid putting the Serb civilians' life at risk, than the "battle" theory has to be excluded.