"Tadić painted himself into corner"

Serbia Serbs start living in reality you are only making it worse for your selfs with all the self inflicted delusions and illusions. Reject the chetnoid orthodox intellectual elite Greater Serbia fascism. It only got you down a slippery slope heading to a cliff of abyss put on the brakes turn around before it is much to late. Time to make real lasting amends restitution with your neighbours every one will be a winer. Do not live off the evil criminally of the deranged criminals their horrendous criminality that brought down Serbia and Serbs. Serbia can rise above that of all the horrendous destructive bloody mire of the 1990s decade and live in real peace and honesty with all of its neighbours a good prosperous future for all. It is much better then the alternative for all.

Let's imagine, what would happen if Serbia recognizes Kosovo tomorrow and abolishes parallel institutions.
My guess is - like with Hague cooperation - it will turn out, that's not enough.

Serbia should probably ask herself a question: "why - regardless of everything and pretty horrible publicity - Kosovo Albanians enjoy such strong support?"

If the honest and clear answer to that question will be found, the answers what to do and what not to do are easier to find. Wrong answers:

1) "Because they had better PR than we"
2) "Because they bribed more than we"
3) "Because the West supports human rights of minorities"
4) "Because West loves Albanians"

(and million more).

Maybe go back to the past a bit and answer few more questions:

"What did Albanians do that for USA KLA became freedom fighters overnight, before they were called terrorists?"
"What was Rambouillet about and what was the secret demand against than-Yugoslavia?"
"Is any single country in the E.U. which can potentially become a Russian ally short or mid-term?"
"Does NATO have a clear vision - or it is largely obsolete and it has to maintain the cold war to a degree that the involved still have jobs?"

@Ataman

I believe KLA was labelt like that because the West/USA was fed with Serbian propaganda and then they found out the truth and KLA was a real freedom fighters, also they had enough with Serbia fighting everyone cos I long as I remember nobody came to Belgrade to fight. There is no chance that we can corrupt the West and USA but they only want to help us the victims.

Do the ethnic Hungarians in Vojvodina have parallel government structures run by the Hungarian government on Serbian soil? I think not. It is time for Serbia to once and for all let go of Kosovo; Kosovo is part of their heritage, but it is no longer part of their current jurisdiction. If ethnic Serbs in Kosovo do not like this, they should probably relocate to Serbia. It seems cruel, but people have to learn to adapt to change whether they like it or not.

Kosovo cannot be recognized for several reasons. Serbs were duped by the West into believing Kosovo wouldn't be granted independence if Serbia signs for peace. As soon as the Serb military left Kosovo we all know what happend. The Ahtisari plan is a lie. Acording to this plan the Kosovo albanians would be granted supervised independence. If you recognize a country how can you take the recognition back if the albanians don't behave? If we let Kosovo go it should be because we think it is the right thing to do. Not because the EU demands that of us in order to join the union. The EU will come and go. Who knows if there is a european union in 20 years. A recognition of our Kosovo province is ever lasting. Another reason Kosovo should not be recognized is because it would legitimize the atrocities agains Serbs, their homes, greaveyards and churches. How many albanians have been convicte of crimes against Serbs? Yet we have incidents pretty much every week. Not to mention the pogrom in 2004. Does anyone honstly think albanians will not try to rid the north of its Serbian population if we accept the rule of Pristina? Perhaps not in the next couple of years but eventually they will. It in their blood. Albanians are intollerant and evil. Please Serbs, understand that neither the West nor our "dear" neigbours want what is best for us. We can only trust ourselves. For a long time we have been fed the lies about the wars in former Yugoslavia and how guilty we Serbs are of everything. Take the so called Srebrenica massacre for example. Slowly the truth is coming out. After all there are some who want the truth to get out there. Here is a link to a norweigan documentary, made by a Bosnian muslim, that was shown on Swedish tv two days ago. This is the story about one of the biggest lies about the Serbian people. Believe me there are more cover ups. Hopefully the truth about all other lies about Serbs and their "evil deeds" will one day emerge as well.

http://svtplay.se/v/2508609/dokument_utifran/staden_som_offrades

Not Tadić, but entire Serbia painted itself into corner.

@Lenard: either I am blind and naive or you strongly over-estimate the role of the "Chetnoid Orthodox" hillbillies in Serbia.

What you see is rather a reaction to the Cold War mentality and "us versus them" approach we have to face daily.
Normal people who otherwise wouldn't get a rat's behind to all that Bierhalle-Patriotismus slowly will transform in disgust into... precisely Orthodox chetniks.

You would think, this "us versus them" is very counter-productive because essentially enemies are being created out of blue skies. It is not - because precisely who creates them - need$$$$ them the mo$$$t. You know the rea$$on$$$ behind that, don't you ;-)

bosko is just a Serb living for the moment and throwing away all factors of his DNA as a Serba.

to some people pride is more important than being able to afford a Mercedes Benz that some German made & also sold to you.

How dare Merkel start blabbing about Serbia withdrawing from Kosovo.

Kosovo is Serbian land.

Germany has invaded most countries in Europe and Germany should have had to GIVE AWAY some of their land for what they did.

France? How many black people do you know & see speaking French, regardless of whether it is in person or on the tv.. it is the French who have invaded and conquered other countries.

USA? created on slavery and exploiting the black race and not to mention the poor hard working Mexicans and also the native Indians whose land they STOLE.

UK - asia/africa/caribbean all being largely populated by indigenous people

Portugal taking the blacks to Brasil as slaves..

Netherlands doing the same thing

Turks ruling the Balkans for 500 years...

Now in the scheme of all this .... where has Serbia gone and tried to conquer a foreign territory????
Dont tell me about Croatia and Bosnia which had large Serb populations already.

Did the Serbs ever go and travel and find some blacks to do the work for them and take someone elses land???

Kosovo is Serbias land and the whole world is jumping up and down because they want to keep THEIR OWN LAND???

it's ridiculous given the past of all these other countries trying to dictate to Serbia what to do.

I hope the muslims take over England (in progress) and the USA (also in progress) and also through Europe (Germany & Netherlands).. France clearly .. well at least Serbia is a country that stays true to herself and only has 7 million people but more dignity than these 'big powerful' countries put together.

just leave Serbia alone and let them live peacefully like they want. and don't expect them to give away a piece of them.

Sorry Albos, i respect you live in Kosovo too but the real justice would be to be under Serbian military law & also trade law. It's clear that with a 2million population of albos that there is a majority vote on policies but the issues of: Military, Trade etc should NEVER be changed and should be under the governance of Serbia and not allowed to make a unilateral decleration because of a majority vote. The serbs were kind enough to LET you guys into their country... just think if they made a law before you guys had a majority population that said: YOU MUST CHANGE YOUR NAME AND PASSPORT TO SERBIAN...?

Just like you albos do for us serbs in Albania... just imagine what kind of "freedom" you would have then.

Its ok for you to kick up a big stink and cry when you want it your way..but when someone else (minority) lives in your country they MUST follow your rules and law etc.

ataman,

for once you actually posted some substance instead of incoherent ramblings. United States action in the Balkans aren't self serving as you describe it. The actions are based in hatred against Serbian aggressors who threatened the only Superpower that they were untouchable because just like today they have China and Russia on their side. Former President Bill Clinton writes in his memoir about how he messed up in Bosnia and wasn't taking any chances with Kosovo.

Btw Kissinger? Really? He's like the biggest dbag.

What deal are you proposing that the UCK made with USA in 1999? There are so many conspiracy theories out there, one of the best West/Zionist/New World Order controls over a country is an IMF loan. Trust me, once a country borrows from IMF, that said country will NEVER be able to repay it.

Why do you think USA borrows from all these rogue countries but not a single cent from the IMF?




Thanks,

Good questions posted by Ataman. I believe some time ago a policy was established between Washington and Brussels that Serbia should be divided internally and her parts given to neighbouring countries so that Serbs are not a majority anywhere but minorities under total control of nations loyal to the Empire. And human rights abuses towards Serbs would be tolerated of course, as evident now in Croatia and Kosovo, and even Montenegro. But as always there is a good news, actually two of them. First, the Empire's war chest is getting rapidly empty and second, China is ascending onto the world's throne faster than anyone anticipated and she could give Serbia a preferential status in Europe, certainly in the Balkans, with a bit of change in Belgrade. China needs reliable partners in Europe and Serbia is probably on top of their list provided all the traitors are ousted from power in Belgrade.

(MikeC, 30 August 2011 18:53)

MikeC you are delusional.Kosovo's independence does not depend on Serbia. It is the Russian veto in UN that has left Kosovo out so far.You are lending the Russian veto for the moment.That veto depends a lot on the russian mood.You can list all the reason that you want and nobody cares.And the reason why nobody cares is very simple.When not even serbs want to live together with Serbs, forget about the Albanians. Open your eyes Serbian people,Montenegro is even denying the name of the language they speak because they don't want to be associated with you people.

Lenard

After reading your comments i only have one thing to say.

Pardon!

very true serbia doesnt know what to do with or without kosovo. Serbia had the best opportunity after the war to put something concrete on the table a serbia kosova montenegro republic, appologise to the people and albanians would have gladly accpeted more than autonomy less than independance. serbia was well aware like every other country that they must have good neighbourly relations which the process has started with the serbia prishtina meetings, they dont have to recognise kosova, they cant have parrallel institutions but can contribute support and assist the kosovo serbs in any which way they like as aslong as it doesnt interfere in another country just like the albania and kosova can help albanians in serbia.
then serbia can have what greece, italy spain ireland have
MORE THAN AUTONOMY BUT LESS THAN INDEPENDANCE

Sonny, a starting point is resolving the Kosovo issue is for Albanians to stop referring to Kosovo as Kosova. You are writing in English, and the English name for Kosovo is Kosovo. If you are writing in Albanian, feel free and use the spelling Kosova. I get the feeling that Albanians use the name Kosova to annoy Serbs, even when they are writing in English. If that is the case, please stop being petty. It is high time to solve the Kosovo issue. And little jabs to the ribs, like using the name kosova, when writing in English, on an serbian news sight, is not in the least a friendly gesture. Your comments (Albanians that use Kosova when writing in English), loses credibility straight off.

trizo
its those false ideas and beliefs you have which wont assist in the great reconciliation between serbs and albanians. read more . they have lived together mixed together married together and will continue to do so for along time after we die

to that rather ridiculous serb-hater "ivan" ( very likely some K-albanian ):

instead of writing such a nonsense, you should rather try to use your time for better purposes. those helpless attempts make you look like a fool. at best.

as for Tadic, ...the sooner he´s gone, the better. I hope the serbian people give him the right answer in the next elections.

that´s what happens, if you try to get buddy-buddy with those who are acting against your own interests, Mr.Tadic.

there is simply no need to join the EU, and I guess more and more Serbs are realizing it. perhaps the reason why Tadic and his comrades refuse to accept early elections...

There you go, feel free to rebuff it. If you need a translation I can do it.
(Ataman, 30 August 2011 22:36)

This is my rebuff to you.Your own blood,your own brothers,cannot stand living together with you.They split and invented a language so they are not to be called Serbs or associated with Serbs.It is much worse than whatever other ethnicities think about Serbs,or Albanians.

Now Americans do make all the efforts to ensure, the said territory belongs to UÇK, so the entire thing has some sort of minimal legitimacy.
(Ataman, 30 August 2011 23:10)

American passport in Hungary is way better, than Hungarian. Even today.
(Je¿ amerikañski, rosyjski i wêgierski, 5 June 2011 00:35)

@Ataman

I believe KLA was labelt like that because the West/USA was fed with Serbian propaganda and then they found out the truth and KLA was a real freedom fighters, also they had enough with Serbia fighting everyone cos I long as I remember nobody came to Belgrade to fight. There is no chance that we can corrupt the West and USA but they only want to help us the victims.
(Mendo, 30 August 2011 14:13)

Mendo, I believe this, too is one of the wrong answers simply because:

- neither Serbian nor Albanian propaganda really does count (USA listens to own interests primarily)
- "freedom fighters" can turn to "terrorists" and v.v. easily (see Afghanistan and 9/11)
- The political establishment in USA does not care less about "human rights", "justice" and other things.

Want to see the proof? Here is an example: Kissinger, the Jew.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/12/14/christopher-hitchens-latest-nixon-tape-buries-kissingers-reputation

“The emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union is not an objective of American foreign policy. And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern.” — Henry Kissinger

There you go. Regardless, is it Kissinger, Clinton, Bush or who-not: you can fill one gas chamber with Jews, an other one with Serbs, the third one with Albanians.... or just drop a big nuke into the middle of K. Mitrovica - in the reality they do not care less.

All they do care is money and might. And how to make a deal to support these two things.

Here is the simple answer: KLA - whoever it is/was could make a deal. Serbs did not know and still do not know how to make a deal. Either you make a deal or you are strong enough that you do not need to make a deal.

"How dare Merkel start blabbing about Serbia withdrawing from Kosovo.
Kosovo is Serbian land. Germany has invaded most countries in Europe and Germany should have had to GIVE AWAY some of their land for what they did."
(trizo, 30 August 2011 14:35)

Maybe you should know that Germany before WW2 was a 'little bit' bigger, so they 'gave away' land for 'what they did'. Poland was 'moved' to the west, the gainer of this was the Soviet Union, funnily.

"just leave Serbia alone and let them live peacefully like they want. and don't expect them to give away a piece of them."
(trizo, 30 August 2011 14:35)

The problem was: They didn't live very peacefully, that's why all the Balkan wars were happening. Well, okay, Serbs in core Serbia lived rather peacefully until some minor NATO bombing happing, only the people around in Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo didn't have peace.

Here is the text:
"Ein Kosovare schlitzt einem Schwinger die Kehle auf. Kari Z. (SVP-Politiker) wird in einer Beiz überfallen. Der Täter schrie: „Scheiss-Schweizer“ und stach unvermittelt zu. Das Opfer muss sofort auf die Intensivstation."
There you go, feel free to rebuff it. If you need a translation I can do it.
(Ataman, 30 August 2011 22:36)

Strange that you are not referring to their "Ivan S. Rapist"-campaign...
http://www.augenreiberei.ch/2011/07/02/toni-b-darf-weiter-schrecken-verbreiten/
"Ivan" - isn't that by chance a Slavic name?

"Toni B. darf weiter Schrecken verbreiten" - who could be that guy? My guess is, just an other... Serbian citizen, from the south of the country."

What happened to: "If you need a translation I can do it."?
Just do it! (Otherwise you can ask me, it's only an opposing team making fun of your favourite xenophobic party - as you might (?) know. Only the Ivan S. poster is genuine). But still: nice try, although there is still room for improvement!

China is ascending onto the world's throne faster than anyone anticipated
(Teslavio, 30 August 2011 14:56)

Yep - this is a scenario from my nightmare - I deal with Chinese often enough to be worried about such scenario. Besides, remember that Chinese monster was largely created by American outsourcing craze. No good!

I rather serve Albanians 7/24 than Chinese even for one hour.

What deal are you proposing that the UCK made with USA in 1999?

Thanks,
(KOSO, 30 August 2011 18:47)

Just look at the Camp Bondsteel. The deal was simple. It's precisely what was told Serbia in Rambouillet: "you invite us and cede your territory = we won't bomb you".

Open your eyes Serbian people,Montenegro is even denying the name of the language they speak because they don't want to be associated with you people.
(Mark, 30 August 2011 22:12)

This is one of the most repeated myths and it was explained + rebuffed enough times already and no one could counter it.

What is not a myth, however: name the world's most universally "disliked" ethnic group. Hint: the infamous Swiss "Black Sheep" campaign abused and built a lot on the top of that fact.

Here is the link:

http://www.ausschaffungsinitiative.ch

Here is the text:

"Ein Kosovare schlitzt einem Schwinger die Kehle auf. Kari Z. (SVP-Politiker) wird in einer Beiz überfallen. Der Täter schrie: „Scheiss-Schweizer“ und stach unvermittelt zu. Das Opfer muss sofort auf die Intensivstation."

There you go, feel free to rebuff it. If you need a translation I can do it.

1) "Because they had better PR than we"
2) "Because they bribed more than we"
3) "Because the West supports human rights of minorities"
4) "Because West loves Albanians"
((Ataman, 30 August 2011 13:05)

You forgot the reason-in-chief... that the US and the West do not have the stomach to send tens of thousands of soldiers to Kosovo and pay god knows how many billions to re-integrate 2M Albanians into Serbia. It's a much easier and less expensive task to keep 0.2M Serbs in an independent Kosovo.

Ataman,

Your comment about the Chinese was really unnecessary and rude, not to mention xenophobic. How many Chinese do you REALLY deal with to make such a bold and outrageous statement?

But you know what? Just like Caesar said - let them hate us, so as long as they fear us.

So, to Ameros, random Euros and other ''civilised democratic humanitarians''. Hate away.
Because there is nothing much else you can do, really...

Just look at the Camp Bondsteel. The deal was simple. It's precisely what was told Serbia in Rambouillet: "you invite us and cede your territory = we won't bomb you".
(Ataman, 30 August 2011 20:50)

Just to make clear we talk the same language. Serbs did not cede the territory, neither did they allow NATO roam all over the country freely.

UÇK did promise what Serbs did not. The legal problem is - the territory they did cede and concessions they did made are invalid because the territory is not theirs. You can't give something what is not yours.

Now Americans do make all the efforts to ensure, the said territory belongs to UÇK, so the entire thing has some sort of minimal legitimacy.

Serbia can cry bloody murder and nothing will happen until they find a solution what would make Camp Bondsteel unattractive for one reason or the other to the bosses of American military-industrial complex.

That pretty much determines my stance. If the American military-industrial complex PRETENDS to be behind the human rights, I will be behind the civil rights. If they PRETEND to be behind the civil rights, I will be behind the human rights.

This is my rebuff to you.Your own blood,your own brothers,cannot stand living together with you.They split and invented a language so they are not to be called Serbs or associated with Serbs.It is much worse than whatever other ethnicities think about Serbs,or Albanians.
(Mark, 30 August 2011 23:24)

>>Your own blood,your own brothers,cannot stand living together with you.

Is that your own interpretation or it was said by some Montenegrin official? I think, you wrote the conclusion before even trying to provide anything, what supports your claim.

>>They split and invented a language

Almost correct, but needs some details They did split and few of their leaders of Djukanovic circle begun to call a local variation of the language "Montenegrin" merely to support their "raison d'être". Can you please elaborate, what position had Djukanovic in Montenegro during Milosevic and during the shelling of Dubrovnik?


Sorry for the curiosity - did a single Serb hurt you ever in your life?

Mark

Your comment doesn't make sense. Its not called Serbian language but Serbocroatian. If our own people don't like us they could call it Croatian language. So according to your theory they don't like Croatians either. If everyone hates the Serbs why grant then Whithe Schengen so they can travel all over Europe? What does that say about albanians in Kosovo who don't have wWhite schengen?

Otherwise you can ask me, it's only an opposing team making fun of your favourite xenophobic party - as you might (?) know.
(Bloody Mary, 31 August 2011 17:41)

There is no team of any kind and even less "opposing team" in the reality, only in the virtual world. Get real.

Now Americans do make all the efforts to ensure, the said territory belongs to UÇK, so the entire thing has some sort of minimal legitimacy.
(Ataman, 30 August 2011 23:10)

American passport in Hungary is way better, than Hungarian. Even today.
(Je¿ amerikañski, rosyjski i wêgierski, 5 June 2011 00:35)
(Bloody Mary, 30 August 2011 23:59)

Na, good, here is one more for you, read it:

Speaking the truth is not going against you own kind, rather it makes you true patriot.
(Agim Kelmendi, 24 August 2011 20:53)

Dear "Mary" - looks like we are an old troll who just changed a nick...aren't we. Your colleague, Agim Kelmendi did explain in detail, see above.

"Ivan" - isn't that by chance a Slavic name?
(Bloody Mary, 31 August 2011 14:29)

Wasn't quite perfect because I do not know, ask "Ivan, the Albanian" regular on B92. Not easy to miss his comments, he is on the daily basis here.

However the title of your article is

"Toni B. darf weiter Schrecken verbreiten" - who could be that guy? My guess is, just an other... Serbian citizen, from the south of the country.

Keep looking, keep looking. Sure, you will find one earlier or later, there are few hundred millions of Slavs and finding an S.O.B. with some diligence is well possible.

Let me help you out. Димитрије Стојаковић, the self-hating Hungaronazi, better known as "Sztójay Döme".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Döme_Sztójay

For some reason I just can't understand why that bad guy never ever was condemned by Croatians, Albanians, Germans, and so on. But he was a Serb. So that means, a nazi pro-German Serb is a good Serb, isn't he?

bosko is just a Serb living for the moment and throwing away all factors of his DNA as a Serba.

to some people pride is more important than being able to afford a Mercedes Benz that some German made & also sold to you.

How dare Merkel start blabbing about Serbia withdrawing from Kosovo.

Kosovo is Serbian land.

Germany has invaded most countries in Europe and Germany should have had to GIVE AWAY some of their land for what they did.

France? How many black people do you know & see speaking French, regardless of whether it is in person or on the tv.. it is the French who have invaded and conquered other countries.

USA? created on slavery and exploiting the black race and not to mention the poor hard working Mexicans and also the native Indians whose land they STOLE.

UK - asia/africa/caribbean all being largely populated by indigenous people

Portugal taking the blacks to Brasil as slaves..

Netherlands doing the same thing

Turks ruling the Balkans for 500 years...

Now in the scheme of all this .... where has Serbia gone and tried to conquer a foreign territory????
Dont tell me about Croatia and Bosnia which had large Serb populations already.

Did the Serbs ever go and travel and find some blacks to do the work for them and take someone elses land???

Kosovo is Serbias land and the whole world is jumping up and down because they want to keep THEIR OWN LAND???

it's ridiculous given the past of all these other countries trying to dictate to Serbia what to do.

I hope the muslims take over England (in progress) and the USA (also in progress) and also through Europe (Germany & Netherlands).. France clearly .. well at least Serbia is a country that stays true to herself and only has 7 million people but more dignity than these 'big powerful' countries put together.

just leave Serbia alone and let them live peacefully like they want. and don't expect them to give away a piece of them.

Sorry Albos, i respect you live in Kosovo too but the real justice would be to be under Serbian military law & also trade law. It's clear that with a 2million population of albos that there is a majority vote on policies but the issues of: Military, Trade etc should NEVER be changed and should be under the governance of Serbia and not allowed to make a unilateral decleration because of a majority vote. The serbs were kind enough to LET you guys into their country... just think if they made a law before you guys had a majority population that said: YOU MUST CHANGE YOUR NAME AND PASSPORT TO SERBIAN...?

Just like you albos do for us serbs in Albania... just imagine what kind of "freedom" you would have then.

Its ok for you to kick up a big stink and cry when you want it your way..but when someone else (minority) lives in your country they MUST follow your rules and law etc.

Serbia Serbs start living in reality you are only making it worse for your selfs with all the self inflicted delusions and illusions. Reject the chetnoid orthodox intellectual elite Greater Serbia fascism. It only got you down a slippery slope heading to a cliff of abyss put on the brakes turn around before it is much to late. Time to make real lasting amends restitution with your neighbours every one will be a winer. Do not live off the evil criminally of the deranged criminals their horrendous criminality that brought down Serbia and Serbs. Serbia can rise above that of all the horrendous destructive bloody mire of the 1990s decade and live in real peace and honesty with all of its neighbours a good prosperous future for all. It is much better then the alternative for all.

Kosovo cannot be recognized for several reasons. Serbs were duped by the West into believing Kosovo wouldn't be granted independence if Serbia signs for peace. As soon as the Serb military left Kosovo we all know what happend. The Ahtisari plan is a lie. Acording to this plan the Kosovo albanians would be granted supervised independence. If you recognize a country how can you take the recognition back if the albanians don't behave? If we let Kosovo go it should be because we think it is the right thing to do. Not because the EU demands that of us in order to join the union. The EU will come and go. Who knows if there is a european union in 20 years. A recognition of our Kosovo province is ever lasting. Another reason Kosovo should not be recognized is because it would legitimize the atrocities agains Serbs, their homes, greaveyards and churches. How many albanians have been convicte of crimes against Serbs? Yet we have incidents pretty much every week. Not to mention the pogrom in 2004. Does anyone honstly think albanians will not try to rid the north of its Serbian population if we accept the rule of Pristina? Perhaps not in the next couple of years but eventually they will. It in their blood. Albanians are intollerant and evil. Please Serbs, understand that neither the West nor our "dear" neigbours want what is best for us. We can only trust ourselves. For a long time we have been fed the lies about the wars in former Yugoslavia and how guilty we Serbs are of everything. Take the so called Srebrenica massacre for example. Slowly the truth is coming out. After all there are some who want the truth to get out there. Here is a link to a norweigan documentary, made by a Bosnian muslim, that was shown on Swedish tv two days ago. This is the story about one of the biggest lies about the Serbian people. Believe me there are more cover ups. Hopefully the truth about all other lies about Serbs and their "evil deeds" will one day emerge as well.

http://svtplay.se/v/2508609/dokument_utifran/staden_som_offrades

Good questions posted by Ataman. I believe some time ago a policy was established between Washington and Brussels that Serbia should be divided internally and her parts given to neighbouring countries so that Serbs are not a majority anywhere but minorities under total control of nations loyal to the Empire. And human rights abuses towards Serbs would be tolerated of course, as evident now in Croatia and Kosovo, and even Montenegro. But as always there is a good news, actually two of them. First, the Empire's war chest is getting rapidly empty and second, China is ascending onto the world's throne faster than anyone anticipated and she could give Serbia a preferential status in Europe, certainly in the Balkans, with a bit of change in Belgrade. China needs reliable partners in Europe and Serbia is probably on top of their list provided all the traitors are ousted from power in Belgrade.

Let's imagine, what would happen if Serbia recognizes Kosovo tomorrow and abolishes parallel institutions.
My guess is - like with Hague cooperation - it will turn out, that's not enough.

Serbia should probably ask herself a question: "why - regardless of everything and pretty horrible publicity - Kosovo Albanians enjoy such strong support?"

If the honest and clear answer to that question will be found, the answers what to do and what not to do are easier to find. Wrong answers:

1) "Because they had better PR than we"
2) "Because they bribed more than we"
3) "Because the West supports human rights of minorities"
4) "Because West loves Albanians"

(and million more).

Maybe go back to the past a bit and answer few more questions:

"What did Albanians do that for USA KLA became freedom fighters overnight, before they were called terrorists?"
"What was Rambouillet about and what was the secret demand against than-Yugoslavia?"
"Is any single country in the E.U. which can potentially become a Russian ally short or mid-term?"
"Does NATO have a clear vision - or it is largely obsolete and it has to maintain the cold war to a degree that the involved still have jobs?"

Lenard

After reading your comments i only have one thing to say.

Pardon!

@Ataman

I believe KLA was labelt like that because the West/USA was fed with Serbian propaganda and then they found out the truth and KLA was a real freedom fighters, also they had enough with Serbia fighting everyone cos I long as I remember nobody came to Belgrade to fight. There is no chance that we can corrupt the West and USA but they only want to help us the victims.

@Lenard: either I am blind and naive or you strongly over-estimate the role of the "Chetnoid Orthodox" hillbillies in Serbia.

What you see is rather a reaction to the Cold War mentality and "us versus them" approach we have to face daily.
Normal people who otherwise wouldn't get a rat's behind to all that Bierhalle-Patriotismus slowly will transform in disgust into... precisely Orthodox chetniks.

You would think, this "us versus them" is very counter-productive because essentially enemies are being created out of blue skies. It is not - because precisely who creates them - need$$$$ them the mo$$$t. You know the rea$$on$$$ behind that, don't you ;-)

Sonny, a starting point is resolving the Kosovo issue is for Albanians to stop referring to Kosovo as Kosova. You are writing in English, and the English name for Kosovo is Kosovo. If you are writing in Albanian, feel free and use the spelling Kosova. I get the feeling that Albanians use the name Kosova to annoy Serbs, even when they are writing in English. If that is the case, please stop being petty. It is high time to solve the Kosovo issue. And little jabs to the ribs, like using the name kosova, when writing in English, on an serbian news sight, is not in the least a friendly gesture. Your comments (Albanians that use Kosova when writing in English), loses credibility straight off.

very true serbia doesnt know what to do with or without kosovo. Serbia had the best opportunity after the war to put something concrete on the table a serbia kosova montenegro republic, appologise to the people and albanians would have gladly accpeted more than autonomy less than independance. serbia was well aware like every other country that they must have good neighbourly relations which the process has started with the serbia prishtina meetings, they dont have to recognise kosova, they cant have parrallel institutions but can contribute support and assist the kosovo serbs in any which way they like as aslong as it doesnt interfere in another country just like the albania and kosova can help albanians in serbia.
then serbia can have what greece, italy spain ireland have
MORE THAN AUTONOMY BUT LESS THAN INDEPENDANCE

China is ascending onto the world's throne faster than anyone anticipated
(Teslavio, 30 August 2011 14:56)

Yep - this is a scenario from my nightmare - I deal with Chinese often enough to be worried about such scenario. Besides, remember that Chinese monster was largely created by American outsourcing craze. No good!

I rather serve Albanians 7/24 than Chinese even for one hour.

to that rather ridiculous serb-hater "ivan" ( very likely some K-albanian ):

instead of writing such a nonsense, you should rather try to use your time for better purposes. those helpless attempts make you look like a fool. at best.

as for Tadic, ...the sooner he´s gone, the better. I hope the serbian people give him the right answer in the next elections.

that´s what happens, if you try to get buddy-buddy with those who are acting against your own interests, Mr.Tadic.

there is simply no need to join the EU, and I guess more and more Serbs are realizing it. perhaps the reason why Tadic and his comrades refuse to accept early elections...

@Ataman

I believe KLA was labelt like that because the West/USA was fed with Serbian propaganda and then they found out the truth and KLA was a real freedom fighters, also they had enough with Serbia fighting everyone cos I long as I remember nobody came to Belgrade to fight. There is no chance that we can corrupt the West and USA but they only want to help us the victims.
(Mendo, 30 August 2011 14:13)

Mendo, I believe this, too is one of the wrong answers simply because:

- neither Serbian nor Albanian propaganda really does count (USA listens to own interests primarily)
- "freedom fighters" can turn to "terrorists" and v.v. easily (see Afghanistan and 9/11)
- The political establishment in USA does not care less about "human rights", "justice" and other things.

Want to see the proof? Here is an example: Kissinger, the Jew.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/12/14/christopher-hitchens-latest-nixon-tape-buries-kissingers-reputation

“The emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union is not an objective of American foreign policy. And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern.” — Henry Kissinger

There you go. Regardless, is it Kissinger, Clinton, Bush or who-not: you can fill one gas chamber with Jews, an other one with Serbs, the third one with Albanians.... or just drop a big nuke into the middle of K. Mitrovica - in the reality they do not care less.

All they do care is money and might. And how to make a deal to support these two things.

Here is the simple answer: KLA - whoever it is/was could make a deal. Serbs did not know and still do not know how to make a deal. Either you make a deal or you are strong enough that you do not need to make a deal.

What deal are you proposing that the UCK made with USA in 1999?

Thanks,
(KOSO, 30 August 2011 18:47)

Just look at the Camp Bondsteel. The deal was simple. It's precisely what was told Serbia in Rambouillet: "you invite us and cede your territory = we won't bomb you".

Open your eyes Serbian people,Montenegro is even denying the name of the language they speak because they don't want to be associated with you people.
(Mark, 30 August 2011 22:12)

This is one of the most repeated myths and it was explained + rebuffed enough times already and no one could counter it.

What is not a myth, however: name the world's most universally "disliked" ethnic group. Hint: the infamous Swiss "Black Sheep" campaign abused and built a lot on the top of that fact.

Here is the link:

http://www.ausschaffungsinitiative.ch

Here is the text:

"Ein Kosovare schlitzt einem Schwinger die Kehle auf. Kari Z. (SVP-Politiker) wird in einer Beiz überfallen. Der Täter schrie: „Scheiss-Schweizer“ und stach unvermittelt zu. Das Opfer muss sofort auf die Intensivstation."

There you go, feel free to rebuff it. If you need a translation I can do it.

Not Tadić, but entire Serbia painted itself into corner.

Just look at the Camp Bondsteel. The deal was simple. It's precisely what was told Serbia in Rambouillet: "you invite us and cede your territory = we won't bomb you".
(Ataman, 30 August 2011 20:50)

Just to make clear we talk the same language. Serbs did not cede the territory, neither did they allow NATO roam all over the country freely.

UÇK did promise what Serbs did not. The legal problem is - the territory they did cede and concessions they did made are invalid because the territory is not theirs. You can't give something what is not yours.

Now Americans do make all the efforts to ensure, the said territory belongs to UÇK, so the entire thing has some sort of minimal legitimacy.

Serbia can cry bloody murder and nothing will happen until they find a solution what would make Camp Bondsteel unattractive for one reason or the other to the bosses of American military-industrial complex.

That pretty much determines my stance. If the American military-industrial complex PRETENDS to be behind the human rights, I will be behind the civil rights. If they PRETEND to be behind the civil rights, I will be behind the human rights.

Now Americans do make all the efforts to ensure, the said territory belongs to UÇK, so the entire thing has some sort of minimal legitimacy.
(Ataman, 30 August 2011 23:10)

American passport in Hungary is way better, than Hungarian. Even today.
(Je¿ amerikañski, rosyjski i wêgierski, 5 June 2011 00:35)
(Bloody Mary, 30 August 2011 23:59)

Na, good, here is one more for you, read it:

Speaking the truth is not going against you own kind, rather it makes you true patriot.
(Agim Kelmendi, 24 August 2011 20:53)

Dear "Mary" - looks like we are an old troll who just changed a nick...aren't we. Your colleague, Agim Kelmendi did explain in detail, see above.

Do the ethnic Hungarians in Vojvodina have parallel government structures run by the Hungarian government on Serbian soil? I think not. It is time for Serbia to once and for all let go of Kosovo; Kosovo is part of their heritage, but it is no longer part of their current jurisdiction. If ethnic Serbs in Kosovo do not like this, they should probably relocate to Serbia. It seems cruel, but people have to learn to adapt to change whether they like it or not.

(MikeC, 30 August 2011 18:53)

MikeC you are delusional.Kosovo's independence does not depend on Serbia. It is the Russian veto in UN that has left Kosovo out so far.You are lending the Russian veto for the moment.That veto depends a lot on the russian mood.You can list all the reason that you want and nobody cares.And the reason why nobody cares is very simple.When not even serbs want to live together with Serbs, forget about the Albanians. Open your eyes Serbian people,Montenegro is even denying the name of the language they speak because they don't want to be associated with you people.

This is my rebuff to you.Your own blood,your own brothers,cannot stand living together with you.They split and invented a language so they are not to be called Serbs or associated with Serbs.It is much worse than whatever other ethnicities think about Serbs,or Albanians.
(Mark, 30 August 2011 23:24)

>>Your own blood,your own brothers,cannot stand living together with you.

Is that your own interpretation or it was said by some Montenegrin official? I think, you wrote the conclusion before even trying to provide anything, what supports your claim.

>>They split and invented a language

Almost correct, but needs some details They did split and few of their leaders of Djukanovic circle begun to call a local variation of the language "Montenegrin" merely to support their "raison d'être". Can you please elaborate, what position had Djukanovic in Montenegro during Milosevic and during the shelling of Dubrovnik?


Sorry for the curiosity - did a single Serb hurt you ever in your life?

"Ivan" - isn't that by chance a Slavic name?
(Bloody Mary, 31 August 2011 14:29)

Wasn't quite perfect because I do not know, ask "Ivan, the Albanian" regular on B92. Not easy to miss his comments, he is on the daily basis here.

However the title of your article is

"Toni B. darf weiter Schrecken verbreiten" - who could be that guy? My guess is, just an other... Serbian citizen, from the south of the country.

Keep looking, keep looking. Sure, you will find one earlier or later, there are few hundred millions of Slavs and finding an S.O.B. with some diligence is well possible.

Let me help you out. Димитрије Стојаковић, the self-hating Hungaronazi, better known as "Sztójay Döme".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Döme_Sztójay

For some reason I just can't understand why that bad guy never ever was condemned by Croatians, Albanians, Germans, and so on. But he was a Serb. So that means, a nazi pro-German Serb is a good Serb, isn't he?

Otherwise you can ask me, it's only an opposing team making fun of your favourite xenophobic party - as you might (?) know.
(Bloody Mary, 31 August 2011 17:41)

There is no team of any kind and even less "opposing team" in the reality, only in the virtual world. Get real.

There you go, feel free to rebuff it. If you need a translation I can do it.
(Ataman, 30 August 2011 22:36)

This is my rebuff to you.Your own blood,your own brothers,cannot stand living together with you.They split and invented a language so they are not to be called Serbs or associated with Serbs.It is much worse than whatever other ethnicities think about Serbs,or Albanians.

trizo
its those false ideas and beliefs you have which wont assist in the great reconciliation between serbs and albanians. read more . they have lived together mixed together married together and will continue to do so for along time after we die

ataman,

for once you actually posted some substance instead of incoherent ramblings. United States action in the Balkans aren't self serving as you describe it. The actions are based in hatred against Serbian aggressors who threatened the only Superpower that they were untouchable because just like today they have China and Russia on their side. Former President Bill Clinton writes in his memoir about how he messed up in Bosnia and wasn't taking any chances with Kosovo.

Btw Kissinger? Really? He's like the biggest dbag.

What deal are you proposing that the UCK made with USA in 1999? There are so many conspiracy theories out there, one of the best West/Zionist/New World Order controls over a country is an IMF loan. Trust me, once a country borrows from IMF, that said country will NEVER be able to repay it.

Why do you think USA borrows from all these rogue countries but not a single cent from the IMF?




Thanks,

Mark

Your comment doesn't make sense. Its not called Serbian language but Serbocroatian. If our own people don't like us they could call it Croatian language. So according to your theory they don't like Croatians either. If everyone hates the Serbs why grant then Whithe Schengen so they can travel all over Europe? What does that say about albanians in Kosovo who don't have wWhite schengen?

Now Americans do make all the efforts to ensure, the said territory belongs to UÇK, so the entire thing has some sort of minimal legitimacy.
(Ataman, 30 August 2011 23:10)

American passport in Hungary is way better, than Hungarian. Even today.
(Je¿ amerikañski, rosyjski i wêgierski, 5 June 2011 00:35)

1) "Because they had better PR than we"
2) "Because they bribed more than we"
3) "Because the West supports human rights of minorities"
4) "Because West loves Albanians"
((Ataman, 30 August 2011 13:05)

You forgot the reason-in-chief... that the US and the West do not have the stomach to send tens of thousands of soldiers to Kosovo and pay god knows how many billions to re-integrate 2M Albanians into Serbia. It's a much easier and less expensive task to keep 0.2M Serbs in an independent Kosovo.

"How dare Merkel start blabbing about Serbia withdrawing from Kosovo.
Kosovo is Serbian land. Germany has invaded most countries in Europe and Germany should have had to GIVE AWAY some of their land for what they did."
(trizo, 30 August 2011 14:35)

Maybe you should know that Germany before WW2 was a 'little bit' bigger, so they 'gave away' land for 'what they did'. Poland was 'moved' to the west, the gainer of this was the Soviet Union, funnily.

"just leave Serbia alone and let them live peacefully like they want. and don't expect them to give away a piece of them."
(trizo, 30 August 2011 14:35)

The problem was: They didn't live very peacefully, that's why all the Balkan wars were happening. Well, okay, Serbs in core Serbia lived rather peacefully until some minor NATO bombing happing, only the people around in Bosnia, Croatia, Kosovo didn't have peace.

Here is the text:
"Ein Kosovare schlitzt einem Schwinger die Kehle auf. Kari Z. (SVP-Politiker) wird in einer Beiz überfallen. Der Täter schrie: „Scheiss-Schweizer“ und stach unvermittelt zu. Das Opfer muss sofort auf die Intensivstation."
There you go, feel free to rebuff it. If you need a translation I can do it.
(Ataman, 30 August 2011 22:36)

Strange that you are not referring to their "Ivan S. Rapist"-campaign...
http://www.augenreiberei.ch/2011/07/02/toni-b-darf-weiter-schrecken-verbreiten/
"Ivan" - isn't that by chance a Slavic name?

"Toni B. darf weiter Schrecken verbreiten" - who could be that guy? My guess is, just an other... Serbian citizen, from the south of the country."

What happened to: "If you need a translation I can do it."?
Just do it! (Otherwise you can ask me, it's only an opposing team making fun of your favourite xenophobic party - as you might (?) know. Only the Ivan S. poster is genuine). But still: nice try, although there is still room for improvement!

Ataman,

Your comment about the Chinese was really unnecessary and rude, not to mention xenophobic. How many Chinese do you REALLY deal with to make such a bold and outrageous statement?

But you know what? Just like Caesar said - let them hate us, so as long as they fear us.

So, to Ameros, random Euros and other ''civilised democratic humanitarians''. Hate away.
Because there is nothing much else you can do, really...