Pack says Belgrade has to abolish parallel institutions

Doris Pack could do most of us a favor by abolishing herself and chose for an early retirement in some small mountain village without access to the outside world. She is a self-serving agitator without any credibility and a waste of EU money.

What a way to twist reality, it is Pristina's institutions that are parralel to the Serbian State.
(Zirb, 30 August 2011 12:28
It is Pristina's institutions that are in line with Res 1244, Serbian institutions in the North have been ruled illegal by the UN from the beginning.

What a way to twist reality, it is Pristina's institutions that are parralel to the Serbian State.

Doris Pack, the anti-Serb hate monger is back to spout off again. Whatever she says, Serbia should od the exact opposite.

They should call this the Pack and Lunacek variety show. All we need now is Vesna Pesic to share her thoughts with us, and my day would be complete. No sooner has one useless EU functionary spouted off, then her partner in crime resurfaces to share her wisdom with us. One thing that is intriguing me though is the anouncement that an American prosecutor will be fronting the Thaci investigation. You could argue that it'll be a whitewash without any result. But I'm not so sure. This won't go away and it'll be difficult to brush it under the carpet. Are the US finally losing faith in their boy, and realise he is now tainted goods. His image has been too badly damaged. They could find this a good excuse to dump him and find somebody more acceptable to the wider public. Make no mistake though, nothing in Kosovo is done without the American's say so.

Doris, belgrade doesn't necessarily have to abolish the parallel structures...we can do it for her.

What a beautiful day, I love reading when belgrade is getting b-ch slapped.

I have to admit it that I love it when Frau Merkel, Frau Pack und Frau Lunacheck tell you guys straight in your face the truth.

Doris, belgrade doesn't necessarily have to abolish the parallel structures...we can do it for her.
(KOSO, 30 August 2011 14:38)

You clearly forgot how that ended up.

Serbs are losing worse than Gadhafi.

I agree that parallel institutions in the north need to be abolished. Albanian parallel institutions with loyalty to Pristina are getting in the way of the democratic and legitimate institutions of the local Serb population. Albanians have been engaged in parallel institutions since the 1990s and its time someone kicked them in the rear and tell them to start behaving. They're a nuisance and directly contribute to instability :)

KOSO I wasn't disputing your presence in the b92 virtual community. What I am saying is how sad I find the primitive attitude of being more concerned with my 'enemy's' defeats than I am with my advance.

Tell me as moderate how you expect me to advocate that Kosovo Serbs accept living under what you call Kosovo's government when you have such obvious hatred for them. And not only that, your hatred even outweighs your love for your own people.

I have been to Kosovo and no doubt will come again, although to be honest with you I would prefer that the cafe culture was a little less thriving and employment much higher. One has direct impact on the other.

'I love reading when belgrade is getting b-ch slapped.'

KOSO that just shows a lack of class on your part. What should make you really happy is to see progress in Kosovo. Thats what I want. I'm not interested in making Kosovo Albanians feel defeated.

On the subject I'm not interested in lectures from the likes of Pack. A proposal from somebody I respect I'd listen to. So frankly I don't give a damn.

"It is Pristina's institutions that are in line with Res 1244, Serbian institutions in the North have been ruled illegal by the UN from the beginning.
(pss, 30 August 2011 13:08)"

So if we agree that UNSC 1244 is still valid (which it has been since 1999) then we must agree that Kosovo is still a Serbian province and that the UN ruling of all institutions, Serbian and Kosovo Albanian, cannot be illegal and cannot be abolished unless the UN decides to stop its work and mission. To my best knowledge that has not happen yet.

"Doris, belgrade doesn't necessarily have to abolish the parallel structures...we can do it for her.
(KOSO, 30 August 2011 14:38)"

WE = pretty much everybody involved in the failed project but the Kosovo Albanians. Is there anything you people can do by yourself and well? I guess not.

"Challenge: provide textual evidence in UN 1244 which states that Kosovo is Serbia's province.

Counter:
(UN 1244) Direct UNMIK to establish provisional institutions of local self-government in Kosovo (currently the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government, PISG)
(KOSO, 30 August 2011 18:34)"

Reference to the Article 1 of the Helsinki Accord places high value on the Sovereignty of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia with Kosovo recognized as an autonomous province. In a similar fashion the references to autonomy in 1244 articles points to a final goal of essentially returning Kosovo to the pre-1999 status of autonomous province within the Serbian legal framework. In this, the resolution is a partial success.

Serbia has recognized the region as an Autonomous Province within the modifications to the Serbian constitution in 2006, fundamentally in line with the security council resolution. However, actions by NATO allied permanent Security Council Members in the recognition of full independence of Kosovo is a step back from the Resolution, setting a precedent for breaking of not just 1244 but all documents it refers to (including the Helsinki Accord).

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1244

Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,

Reaffirming the call in previous resolutions for substantial autonomy and
meaningful self-administration for Kosovo,

4. Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and
Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;

10. Authorizes the Secretary-General, with the assistance of relevant
international organizations, to establish an international civil presence in Kosovo in order to provide an interim administration for Kosovo under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and which will provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic self-governing institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants of Kosovo;

A political process towards the establishment of an interim political
framework agreement providing for a substantial self-government for
Kosovo, taking full account of the Rambouillet accords and the
principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia and the other countries of the region, and the
demilitarization of the KLA;

Source: http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement

Maybe you should read it sometime instead of trying to pretend you are some legal expert (I am not and so I am not claiming anything).

Challenge: provide textual evidence in UN 1244 which states that Kosovo is Serbia's province.

Counter:
(UN 1244) Direct UNMIK to establish provisional institutions of local self-government in Kosovo (currently the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government, PISG)
(KOSO, 30 August 2011 18:34)

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement

From UNSC 1244

Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,

Reaffirming the call in previous resolutions for substantial autonomy and
meaningful self-administration for Kosovo,

4. Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and
Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;

From Annex 2:

6. After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel
will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
- Liaison with the international civil mission and the international
security presence;
- Marking/clearing minefields;
- Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
- Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.

Conclusion:
Nowhere in 1244 does it suggest provisional institutions of local self government to operate outside Yugoslavia/Serbia's umbrella. Nowhere in 1244 does it suggest institutions run counter to that of the rest of Yugoslavia/Serbia. Yugoslavia/Serbia has the right of return to its autonomous province for basic administrative and security services while not interfering with local self-government.

Assessment:
Nice try attempting to sound smart. Try reading the Resolution next time.

KOSO that just shows a lack of class on your part. What should make you really happy is to see progress in Kosovo. Thats what I want. I'm not interested in making Kosovo Albanians feel defeated. - bganon

Today I wasn't shooting/hoping to appease to anyone's idea of my virtual presence in the B92 community; although I'm always polite by giving a thanks at each end of my post. Anyhow, Kosovo is progressing thanks to the DOI and economic improvements. Come visit sometimes, the kafic culture is the best in the world.



So if we agree that UNSC 1244 is still valid (which it has been since 1999) then we must agree that Kosovo is still a Serbian province and that the UN ruling of all institutions, Serbian and Kosovo Albanian, cannot be illegal and cannot be abolished unless the UN decides to stop its work and mission. To my best knowledge that has not happen yet.
(Milan, 30 August 2011 15:50)

Challenge: provide textual evidence in UN 1244 which states that Kosovo is Serbia's province.

Counter:
(UN 1244) Direct UNMIK to establish provisional institutions of local self-government in Kosovo (currently the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government, PISG)

Koso, not nice of you to call Doris a b-ch. You may agree or disagree with her, depending on your intereswts in Kosovo, but character name calling is childish and will get us nowhere. As for her comments (Doris's), is anyone going to be motivated by what she says? Will her words carry any weight when governments create their policies? I don't think so. Pro or con regarding the Albanians UDI, the statements from these talking heads is just for reporters to report, and news followers to read. Like most of us, we are paid to do or say something on a daily basis, and Doris is no exception.

"Thus your big brother will not be able to rescue you here. Or you accept fully and unambiguously the EU values - respect the political will of the overwhelm majority of Kosova- or you will not become part of the gents club." ("BEN")

Tell that to the EU members who do not accept "Kosova". Apparently they do not "accept fully and unambiguously the EU values". Are you going to lobby to have them kicked out of the EU? If you do you can be sure that "Kosova" will NEVER EVER get into the club. "Gentlemen Club"? Seriously? Keep on dreaming of your alleged importance and influence over world affairs. Just go back to the mountains where you came from.

"Serbs are losing worse than Gadhafi.
(ivan, 30 August 2011 16:29)"

But all will be peanuts with the defeat that you will eventually face and that will be branded into your DNA for many many generations.

You can shout and scream as much as you like our dear Serbian neighbors but Russia has no VETO power in EU.

Thus your big brother will not be able to rescue you here. Or you accept fully and unambiguously the EU values - respect the political will of the overwhelm majority of Kosova- or you will not become part of the gents club.

Pointless to say that it was exactly this what Merkel said to you just last week clearly and even more pointless to remind you that she had an approval for that of other EU states before she arrived to Belgrade- yes she talked to Sarko, Cameron and other bigs of EU, they said we are behind you Frau Merkel go ahead and make it public as Serbs are abusing with this fact for too long now.

I think that Doris Pack should lobby in the EU to allocate A LOT of money into the Albanian language educational institutions in Kosovo and abolish the bad ones so they do not produce too many village computer warriors that are diluting the quality level of this used-to-be-better site.

Sorry Doris but the ethnic Albanian parallel structures have existed for decades and self-rule is part of more than autonomy, less than independence.

Really pack!!! I think its time for germany's peacekeeping troops to leave kosovo. I also think we should abolish pristinas parallel structures in all of kosovo how about that. Cut off electricity, close the eastern administrative border crossings.Kosovo is not Germany's province but Serbia's therefore germany can't tell us Serbs to abolish our own institutions. We don't need pristina's institutions.

So if we agree that UNSC 1244 is still valid (which it has been since 1999) then we must agree that Kosovo is still a Serbian province and that the UN ruling of all institutions, Serbian and Kosovo Albanian, cannot be illegal and cannot be abolished unless the UN decides to stop its work and mission. To my best knowledge that has not happen yet.
(Milan, 30 August 2011 15:50)
Resolution 1244 is a mapwork of progression and mandates it is not an absolute lock in time.
It details how Serb military and police are to immediately leave Kosovo.
Then the civilian presence sets up govt and then establishes a method to develop provisional self government through UN called elections(Serb paralell elections were never UN called) then once provisional govt established the civilian presence is to turn over authorities to them including the holding of elections.
"Facilitating a political process designed to determine Kosovo's future status, taking into account the Rambouillet accords (S/1999/648);

In a final stage, overseeing the transfer of authority from Kosovo's provisional institutions to institutions established under a political settlement;"
This is where the the argument lies. Kosovo and the 80+ countries officially recognizing it have determined that Kosovo future status is determined, Serbia and a few countries say it has not, and somewhere around 60+ have not taken an official stance.
The political process were the negotiations held in 2006-2008 in which the UN terminated due to inability to reach a settlement. No where does it say that the final settlement must be mutually agreed upon.
The Rambouillet Accords is more definitive in what can and cannot be done.
"Kosovo will have the authority to make laws not subject to revision by Serbia or the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, including levying taxes, instituting programs of economic, scientific, technological, regional, and social development, conducting foreign relations within its areas of responsibility in the same manner as a Republic, and all matters of local government."
"Serb security forces will withdraw completely except for limited number of border police and, for a transitional period, a limited number of civil police officers who will serve at the direction of the international Implementation Mission until local police are trained to replace them."
Since UNMIK/Eulex have established and commisioned the Kosovo Police Force, the window of opportunity for the return of Serb personnel has expired.

I did read it in its entirety Serbs tend to dismiss the sections with which they disagree.
"Nice try attempting to sound smart. Try reading the Resolution next time.
(1244 for Dummies, 30 August 2011 20:09)"
As the whole 1244 and Rambouillet highlights a govt free from Serbian control.

Milan you are right that part of the Ramboullet agreement would have been to allow NATO to travel through Serbia.

However, looking back now I'm not convinced that Serbia was right to oppose Ramboullet on that point. Look at the difference between the right of NATO troops to move around Serbia and that of the right of NATO, EU and UN troops to be stationed in Kosovo.

Given a choice between the two there is no choice. There is no puzzle about Kumanovo, it was Milosevic's capitulation. I'm not going to argue about the rights and wrongs of Kosovo policy, but Milosevic's diplomatic policy was breathtakingly stupid. There is no point going into a war you intend to surrender. And it takes a most cynical politician to try to turn his defeat into election victory as he tried to.

Maybe you should read it sometime instead of trying to pretend you are some legal expert (I am not and so I am not claiming anything).
(Milan, 30 August 2011 19:46)


UN 1244 mentions "Serbia" like 5 times at best...what it does mention is Yugoslavia's territorial integrity, not Serbia's.

Serbia and Yugoslavia are / were two different political entities.

Yugoslavia joined UN in 19 Oct, 1945
Serbia joined UN in 11 Jan, 2000


If you would have followed the ICJ you would have known that by the time Kosovo declared its independence in 2008 Yugo was dissolved...that's why the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Kosovo's independence did not violate any "international law".





Thanks,

“UN 1244 mentions "Serbia" like 5 times at best...what it does mention is Yugoslavia's territorial integrity, not Serbia's.

Serbia and Yugoslavia are / were two different political entities.

Yugoslavia joined UN in 19 Oct, 1945
Serbia joined UN in 11 Jan, 2000


If you would have followed the ICJ you would have known that by the time Kosovo declared its independence in 2008 Yugo was dissolved...that's why the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Kosovo's independence did not violate any "international law".

Thanks,
(KOSO, 31 August 2011 01:24)”

Gosh, your statements are so full of holes in its material parts …. are you really that ignorant?

Firstly, 1244’s Yugoslavia refers to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) comprising Serbia and Montenegro. and NOT 1945’s Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia with its 6 republics.

Secondly, Serbia did not join the UN in 2000. The FRY joined the UN in 2000. Serbia became the legal successor to the FRY (by then renamed Serbia And Montenegro) in 2006. That’s why Serbia inherited the UN seat (ie. did not have to reapply for membership) whereas Montenegro had to apply for UN membership as a new state.

Thirdly, the ICJ opined that Kosovo’s DECLARATION of independence did not violate international law. The ICJ was silent on whether Kosovo is an independent state or whether it is entitled to independence. Not to forget also that the ICJ advisory is legally non-binding.

Its okay with me if you choose to remain one confused turkey. The greater problem however is that you may end up confusing others too!

If I remember correctly The Rambouillet Accords were never signed by the FRY because NATO demanded unlimited access to the whole territory of the FRY, including Serbia. That was the only right thing to do and NATO put it in because they knew that the FRY would not accept and that was what NATO wanted to launch its attack, that went well beyond its own charter, against the FRY. I also remember that the Kosovo Albanians/KLA were in no mood to negotiate, mainly because the outcome was already predetermined and there had to be war at all costs. It is a puzzle how The Rambouillet Accords ever ended up in UNSCR 1244.

What a way to twist reality, it is Pristina's institutions that are parralel to the Serbian State.

Doris Pack could do most of us a favor by abolishing herself and chose for an early retirement in some small mountain village without access to the outside world. She is a self-serving agitator without any credibility and a waste of EU money.

Doris, belgrade doesn't necessarily have to abolish the parallel structures...we can do it for her.

What a beautiful day, I love reading when belgrade is getting b-ch slapped.

Doris Pack, the anti-Serb hate monger is back to spout off again. Whatever she says, Serbia should od the exact opposite.

They should call this the Pack and Lunacek variety show. All we need now is Vesna Pesic to share her thoughts with us, and my day would be complete. No sooner has one useless EU functionary spouted off, then her partner in crime resurfaces to share her wisdom with us. One thing that is intriguing me though is the anouncement that an American prosecutor will be fronting the Thaci investigation. You could argue that it'll be a whitewash without any result. But I'm not so sure. This won't go away and it'll be difficult to brush it under the carpet. Are the US finally losing faith in their boy, and realise he is now tainted goods. His image has been too badly damaged. They could find this a good excuse to dump him and find somebody more acceptable to the wider public. Make no mistake though, nothing in Kosovo is done without the American's say so.

What a way to twist reality, it is Pristina's institutions that are parralel to the Serbian State.
(Zirb, 30 August 2011 12:28
It is Pristina's institutions that are in line with Res 1244, Serbian institutions in the North have been ruled illegal by the UN from the beginning.

"It is Pristina's institutions that are in line with Res 1244, Serbian institutions in the North have been ruled illegal by the UN from the beginning.
(pss, 30 August 2011 13:08)"

So if we agree that UNSC 1244 is still valid (which it has been since 1999) then we must agree that Kosovo is still a Serbian province and that the UN ruling of all institutions, Serbian and Kosovo Albanian, cannot be illegal and cannot be abolished unless the UN decides to stop its work and mission. To my best knowledge that has not happen yet.

I have to admit it that I love it when Frau Merkel, Frau Pack und Frau Lunacheck tell you guys straight in your face the truth.

Serbs are losing worse than Gadhafi.

Koso, not nice of you to call Doris a b-ch. You may agree or disagree with her, depending on your intereswts in Kosovo, but character name calling is childish and will get us nowhere. As for her comments (Doris's), is anyone going to be motivated by what she says? Will her words carry any weight when governments create their policies? I don't think so. Pro or con regarding the Albanians UDI, the statements from these talking heads is just for reporters to report, and news followers to read. Like most of us, we are paid to do or say something on a daily basis, and Doris is no exception.

'I love reading when belgrade is getting b-ch slapped.'

KOSO that just shows a lack of class on your part. What should make you really happy is to see progress in Kosovo. Thats what I want. I'm not interested in making Kosovo Albanians feel defeated.

On the subject I'm not interested in lectures from the likes of Pack. A proposal from somebody I respect I'd listen to. So frankly I don't give a damn.

"Challenge: provide textual evidence in UN 1244 which states that Kosovo is Serbia's province.

Counter:
(UN 1244) Direct UNMIK to establish provisional institutions of local self-government in Kosovo (currently the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government, PISG)
(KOSO, 30 August 2011 18:34)"

Reference to the Article 1 of the Helsinki Accord places high value on the Sovereignty of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia with Kosovo recognized as an autonomous province. In a similar fashion the references to autonomy in 1244 articles points to a final goal of essentially returning Kosovo to the pre-1999 status of autonomous province within the Serbian legal framework. In this, the resolution is a partial success.

Serbia has recognized the region as an Autonomous Province within the modifications to the Serbian constitution in 2006, fundamentally in line with the security council resolution. However, actions by NATO allied permanent Security Council Members in the recognition of full independence of Kosovo is a step back from the Resolution, setting a precedent for breaking of not just 1244 but all documents it refers to (including the Helsinki Accord).

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1244

Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,

Reaffirming the call in previous resolutions for substantial autonomy and
meaningful self-administration for Kosovo,

4. Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and
Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;

10. Authorizes the Secretary-General, with the assistance of relevant
international organizations, to establish an international civil presence in Kosovo in order to provide an interim administration for Kosovo under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and which will provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic self-governing institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants of Kosovo;

A political process towards the establishment of an interim political
framework agreement providing for a substantial self-government for
Kosovo, taking full account of the Rambouillet accords and the
principles of sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal
Republic of Yugoslavia and the other countries of the region, and the
demilitarization of the KLA;

Source: http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement

Maybe you should read it sometime instead of trying to pretend you are some legal expert (I am not and so I am not claiming anything).

I agree that parallel institutions in the north need to be abolished. Albanian parallel institutions with loyalty to Pristina are getting in the way of the democratic and legitimate institutions of the local Serb population. Albanians have been engaged in parallel institutions since the 1990s and its time someone kicked them in the rear and tell them to start behaving. They're a nuisance and directly contribute to instability :)

"Doris, belgrade doesn't necessarily have to abolish the parallel structures...we can do it for her.
(KOSO, 30 August 2011 14:38)"

WE = pretty much everybody involved in the failed project but the Kosovo Albanians. Is there anything you people can do by yourself and well? I guess not.

Challenge: provide textual evidence in UN 1244 which states that Kosovo is Serbia's province.

Counter:
(UN 1244) Direct UNMIK to establish provisional institutions of local self-government in Kosovo (currently the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government, PISG)
(KOSO, 30 August 2011 18:34)

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement

From UNSC 1244

Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,

Reaffirming the call in previous resolutions for substantial autonomy and
meaningful self-administration for Kosovo,

4. Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and
Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;

From Annex 2:

6. After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel
will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
- Liaison with the international civil mission and the international
security presence;
- Marking/clearing minefields;
- Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
- Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.

Conclusion:
Nowhere in 1244 does it suggest provisional institutions of local self government to operate outside Yugoslavia/Serbia's umbrella. Nowhere in 1244 does it suggest institutions run counter to that of the rest of Yugoslavia/Serbia. Yugoslavia/Serbia has the right of return to its autonomous province for basic administrative and security services while not interfering with local self-government.

Assessment:
Nice try attempting to sound smart. Try reading the Resolution next time.

Doris, belgrade doesn't necessarily have to abolish the parallel structures...we can do it for her.
(KOSO, 30 August 2011 14:38)

You clearly forgot how that ended up.

KOSO I wasn't disputing your presence in the b92 virtual community. What I am saying is how sad I find the primitive attitude of being more concerned with my 'enemy's' defeats than I am with my advance.

Tell me as moderate how you expect me to advocate that Kosovo Serbs accept living under what you call Kosovo's government when you have such obvious hatred for them. And not only that, your hatred even outweighs your love for your own people.

I have been to Kosovo and no doubt will come again, although to be honest with you I would prefer that the cafe culture was a little less thriving and employment much higher. One has direct impact on the other.

"Thus your big brother will not be able to rescue you here. Or you accept fully and unambiguously the EU values - respect the political will of the overwhelm majority of Kosova- or you will not become part of the gents club." ("BEN")

Tell that to the EU members who do not accept "Kosova". Apparently they do not "accept fully and unambiguously the EU values". Are you going to lobby to have them kicked out of the EU? If you do you can be sure that "Kosova" will NEVER EVER get into the club. "Gentlemen Club"? Seriously? Keep on dreaming of your alleged importance and influence over world affairs. Just go back to the mountains where you came from.

"Serbs are losing worse than Gadhafi.
(ivan, 30 August 2011 16:29)"

But all will be peanuts with the defeat that you will eventually face and that will be branded into your DNA for many many generations.

You can shout and scream as much as you like our dear Serbian neighbors but Russia has no VETO power in EU.

Thus your big brother will not be able to rescue you here. Or you accept fully and unambiguously the EU values - respect the political will of the overwhelm majority of Kosova- or you will not become part of the gents club.

Pointless to say that it was exactly this what Merkel said to you just last week clearly and even more pointless to remind you that she had an approval for that of other EU states before she arrived to Belgrade- yes she talked to Sarko, Cameron and other bigs of EU, they said we are behind you Frau Merkel go ahead and make it public as Serbs are abusing with this fact for too long now.

I think that Doris Pack should lobby in the EU to allocate A LOT of money into the Albanian language educational institutions in Kosovo and abolish the bad ones so they do not produce too many village computer warriors that are diluting the quality level of this used-to-be-better site.

Sorry Doris but the ethnic Albanian parallel structures have existed for decades and self-rule is part of more than autonomy, less than independence.

KOSO that just shows a lack of class on your part. What should make you really happy is to see progress in Kosovo. Thats what I want. I'm not interested in making Kosovo Albanians feel defeated. - bganon

Today I wasn't shooting/hoping to appease to anyone's idea of my virtual presence in the B92 community; although I'm always polite by giving a thanks at each end of my post. Anyhow, Kosovo is progressing thanks to the DOI and economic improvements. Come visit sometimes, the kafic culture is the best in the world.



So if we agree that UNSC 1244 is still valid (which it has been since 1999) then we must agree that Kosovo is still a Serbian province and that the UN ruling of all institutions, Serbian and Kosovo Albanian, cannot be illegal and cannot be abolished unless the UN decides to stop its work and mission. To my best knowledge that has not happen yet.
(Milan, 30 August 2011 15:50)

Challenge: provide textual evidence in UN 1244 which states that Kosovo is Serbia's province.

Counter:
(UN 1244) Direct UNMIK to establish provisional institutions of local self-government in Kosovo (currently the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government, PISG)

Maybe you should read it sometime instead of trying to pretend you are some legal expert (I am not and so I am not claiming anything).
(Milan, 30 August 2011 19:46)


UN 1244 mentions "Serbia" like 5 times at best...what it does mention is Yugoslavia's territorial integrity, not Serbia's.

Serbia and Yugoslavia are / were two different political entities.

Yugoslavia joined UN in 19 Oct, 1945
Serbia joined UN in 11 Jan, 2000


If you would have followed the ICJ you would have known that by the time Kosovo declared its independence in 2008 Yugo was dissolved...that's why the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Kosovo's independence did not violate any "international law".





Thanks,

Really pack!!! I think its time for germany's peacekeeping troops to leave kosovo. I also think we should abolish pristinas parallel structures in all of kosovo how about that. Cut off electricity, close the eastern administrative border crossings.Kosovo is not Germany's province but Serbia's therefore germany can't tell us Serbs to abolish our own institutions. We don't need pristina's institutions.

So if we agree that UNSC 1244 is still valid (which it has been since 1999) then we must agree that Kosovo is still a Serbian province and that the UN ruling of all institutions, Serbian and Kosovo Albanian, cannot be illegal and cannot be abolished unless the UN decides to stop its work and mission. To my best knowledge that has not happen yet.
(Milan, 30 August 2011 15:50)
Resolution 1244 is a mapwork of progression and mandates it is not an absolute lock in time.
It details how Serb military and police are to immediately leave Kosovo.
Then the civilian presence sets up govt and then establishes a method to develop provisional self government through UN called elections(Serb paralell elections were never UN called) then once provisional govt established the civilian presence is to turn over authorities to them including the holding of elections.
"Facilitating a political process designed to determine Kosovo's future status, taking into account the Rambouillet accords (S/1999/648);

In a final stage, overseeing the transfer of authority from Kosovo's provisional institutions to institutions established under a political settlement;"
This is where the the argument lies. Kosovo and the 80+ countries officially recognizing it have determined that Kosovo future status is determined, Serbia and a few countries say it has not, and somewhere around 60+ have not taken an official stance.
The political process were the negotiations held in 2006-2008 in which the UN terminated due to inability to reach a settlement. No where does it say that the final settlement must be mutually agreed upon.
The Rambouillet Accords is more definitive in what can and cannot be done.
"Kosovo will have the authority to make laws not subject to revision by Serbia or the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, including levying taxes, instituting programs of economic, scientific, technological, regional, and social development, conducting foreign relations within its areas of responsibility in the same manner as a Republic, and all matters of local government."
"Serb security forces will withdraw completely except for limited number of border police and, for a transitional period, a limited number of civil police officers who will serve at the direction of the international Implementation Mission until local police are trained to replace them."
Since UNMIK/Eulex have established and commisioned the Kosovo Police Force, the window of opportunity for the return of Serb personnel has expired.

I did read it in its entirety Serbs tend to dismiss the sections with which they disagree.
"Nice try attempting to sound smart. Try reading the Resolution next time.
(1244 for Dummies, 30 August 2011 20:09)"
As the whole 1244 and Rambouillet highlights a govt free from Serbian control.

“UN 1244 mentions "Serbia" like 5 times at best...what it does mention is Yugoslavia's territorial integrity, not Serbia's.

Serbia and Yugoslavia are / were two different political entities.

Yugoslavia joined UN in 19 Oct, 1945
Serbia joined UN in 11 Jan, 2000


If you would have followed the ICJ you would have known that by the time Kosovo declared its independence in 2008 Yugo was dissolved...that's why the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled that Kosovo's independence did not violate any "international law".

Thanks,
(KOSO, 31 August 2011 01:24)”

Gosh, your statements are so full of holes in its material parts …. are you really that ignorant?

Firstly, 1244’s Yugoslavia refers to the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY) comprising Serbia and Montenegro. and NOT 1945’s Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia with its 6 republics.

Secondly, Serbia did not join the UN in 2000. The FRY joined the UN in 2000. Serbia became the legal successor to the FRY (by then renamed Serbia And Montenegro) in 2006. That’s why Serbia inherited the UN seat (ie. did not have to reapply for membership) whereas Montenegro had to apply for UN membership as a new state.

Thirdly, the ICJ opined that Kosovo’s DECLARATION of independence did not violate international law. The ICJ was silent on whether Kosovo is an independent state or whether it is entitled to independence. Not to forget also that the ICJ advisory is legally non-binding.

Its okay with me if you choose to remain one confused turkey. The greater problem however is that you may end up confusing others too!

If I remember correctly The Rambouillet Accords were never signed by the FRY because NATO demanded unlimited access to the whole territory of the FRY, including Serbia. That was the only right thing to do and NATO put it in because they knew that the FRY would not accept and that was what NATO wanted to launch its attack, that went well beyond its own charter, against the FRY. I also remember that the Kosovo Albanians/KLA were in no mood to negotiate, mainly because the outcome was already predetermined and there had to be war at all costs. It is a puzzle how The Rambouillet Accords ever ended up in UNSCR 1244.

Milan you are right that part of the Ramboullet agreement would have been to allow NATO to travel through Serbia.

However, looking back now I'm not convinced that Serbia was right to oppose Ramboullet on that point. Look at the difference between the right of NATO troops to move around Serbia and that of the right of NATO, EU and UN troops to be stationed in Kosovo.

Given a choice between the two there is no choice. There is no puzzle about Kumanovo, it was Milosevic's capitulation. I'm not going to argue about the rights and wrongs of Kosovo policy, but Milosevic's diplomatic policy was breathtakingly stupid. There is no point going into a war you intend to surrender. And it takes a most cynical politician to try to turn his defeat into election victory as he tried to.