Should policy toward Kosovo be reexamined?

Reexamine or not that's your problem Serbia, we in Kosovo don't care, but one think is for sure we will never have anything to do with Serbia.

The solution is really simple. On the territory of northern Kosovo there are no "parallel" institutions - there are only and only Serbian institution of local government. Just need to constitute a certain form a representative body, the body that would coordinate activities with the Pristina authorities. This is the solution. Some Albanians are against it because it would make it impossible to assimilation or persecution of Serbs in northern Kosovo. These are the Albanian extremists and the international community should help to curb their actions.

Oh Trizo, you "rich" guy, keep on dreaming, you are free to dream with open eyes. Matter of time!!!!! Ha ha ha, You had plenty of time for the past 12 years, why not during this 12 years tell us please?

Shivers down my spine? What shives, Kosovo is right where it belongs my friend.

I get out of my bad and I'm in Kosova.

Trizo needs a 3 hours of drive to arrive to Kosova.

Yet listening to this genius Kosova is not mine it is his (holiday home I presume).

You in Serbia have so many phenomenas that the civilized world had to bomb you twice.

trade and other relations should be established in the same way they existed without mutual recognition of independence between the two German states

The two Germanies model is what can save face for the serbian politicians.You are not asked to recognize Kosovo,but will not be allowed to block Kosovo's membership in international organizations.Once again, first Kosovo in UN and then Serbia in EU.Every other Kosovo division ideas will impact Serbia's borders.Rest assure that Albanians in Presevo will not just sit and watch and probably the bosnians in Sandzjak will do the same.

@ RedLine

Please find it where I said I don't want Serbs to live in Kosovo? Look up the entire web not just b92.com and tell where I said the Serbs don't live in North Kosovo and if I ever said I don't want them there please tell me. I am commenting here with my limited English the way I see the situation in Kosovo but I never implied that there are no Serbs and I have no problems with them at all, but you have to admit that the north is run by criminals who are financed by the Serbian government just to keep a status quo in the whole of Kosovo.

Belive me I have nothing against normal Serbs, as a matter of fact I even have Serbian friends, but when it comes to radicals they need to know the truth.

Ari Gold encourages Serbia to"...default on loans from the WB, EBC and IMF and invite Russian, Chinese, Indian and Latin American investors into Serbia with favorable tax incentives"

And what makes you think that Russia, China, India, and South America (or any government for that matter) would want to invest in Serbia, especially after they default in their previous loans and their credit rating will be at the bottom of all the available credit agencies?

What is the benefit of investing in a distant landlocked country where any ROI will be eliminated by transportation fees? What about the benefit of investing in a country whose borders are disputed?

Business does not operate based on ethnicity, religion, or whether they have recognized Kosovo or not. Business goes where the opportunity exists, and where the chances that there will be a return on investment are great.

It is true that Serbia has an educated workforce. That is not what, the Russians, Chinese, Indian and Latin American corporations are looking for. Literally, they are looking for cheap (I don't want to call it slave) labor, and I know that they will not find that in Serbia.

@ MikeC

Sorry Mike but it's not up to you if I come to this forum or not. I know what you mean some Serbs think one day they just wake up and tell pepole don't come here anymore, like with my father in 1990 one day they told him don't come to work anymore without any reason and thaousands more had the same fate from the Milosevic regime only because they were K-Albs.

Mendo, please, enough with the macho comments that bring no solutions, only more friction and hatred. Like it or not, Serbs live in Northern Kosovo and have a right to be there. They do not recognize Pristina's UDI, and do not want to be governed by them. That is the crux of the problem, so let's find a solution that is agreeable to all. Nationalistic statements like yours, solve nothing. But maybe you do not seek a solution, but just relish in the idea that Albanians would be governing Serbs, if only in a small geographic area?

"but one think is for sure we will never have anything to do with Serbia."

Mendo

You can stop having anything to do with Serbia by not coming to this forum anymore.

The only choices Serbia has are the following.

1). NO EU and NO KOSOVO

2). EU only, conditions to be dictated by the European Union not by Serbia

3). Or current situation which is total and utter poverty

Seeking other backers such as Russia, China, etc while landlocked and surrounded by the EU nations is equal to suicide. Russia received Serbia's oil company for next to nothing, friends such as that Serbia could do without.

Milosevic was your leader, but he didn't do it all by himself. He had support from other Serb politicians, army, police, paramilitary but most important support from the Serbian people from Serbia proper as well as Serbs in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. The choices and decisions that were made in the 1990's by the Serb people are the only reasons the Serb nation is this situation in 2011. The World knows the truth, denying won't change anything it will only delay Serbia"s development.

Serbs should admit to their sins, apologize and then they might receive forgiveness so that Serbia can move forward.

oh Meno, you poor guy..

that's cute how you say "we will never have anything to do with Serbia".

All I can say is (and i honestly hope it doesn't send shivers down your spine) that it's only a 'matter of time' ;)

you will have much freedom if you move back to your homeland Albania :)

But in Kosovo the clock is ticking.

""but one think is for sure we will never have anything to do with Serbia.""

Mendo

"You can stop having anything to do with Serbia by not coming to this forum anymore."
MikeC

Eeehh dude! You said you didn't want to have anything to do with Serbia. My advice was just to help you "not having anything to do with us" by suggesting you don't come here no more. You know this is a Serbian newforum, don't you? Of course you are welcome here to speak your mind but don't say "you don't want anything to do with Serbs" then you hang out here every day which would suggest you "want to have everything to do with us". I mean don't you have fair and balanced news in "Kosova republik"? lol

Ari Gold,
Not sure where you're getting your facts:

1. These countries did not "steal" the southern province of Kosovo. They merely applied democracy and the UN principle of Self-Determination in the area.

2. The last 10 years show that Serbia has received only 0.03% of its foreign assistance from China and Russia (which is statistically negligible).

Here's the breakdown of aid (not loans, but aid that does not have to be paid back).

European Commission: 2.68 billion euros
United States: 582 million euros
Germany 714 millions euros
Italy 273 million euros
Sweden 215 million euros
Norway 120 million euros
Japan 97 million euros

So, majority of aid to Serbia comes from Europe, not Asia (excluding Japan that donated 97 million euros) or South America. Russia and China are not known to help the others, but they do offer loans, and encourage their companies to search for cheap labor abroad.

3. You do not get a loan by "explaining" to Russia, China, India. There are records of all the loans and donations tracked by international organizations. Based on your "Serbia would just carefully need to explain to China, Russia, India and Latin America that based on the unfavorably loans the West gave to Serbia..." statement, I take it you are a teenager that is not familiar with global finances.

4. What Serbophobia are you talking about? What makes you feel so special that these countries would give you an unfavorable loan only because you are a Serb? Do you see how ridiculous you sound? If they were Serbophobes, they would not give billions of dollars in aid to Serbia. This is xenophobia written all over it.

5. The day Germany will go bankrupt would be either due to a World War, or due to a catastrophe that will wipe out most of the population and the global financial systems as we know them.

6. Why do you blame EU for the countries where austerity measures have been applied? After all, EU is bailing them out. Maybe these countries were not ready for the EU after all, because you can't only get, but you have to give something back as well. Check how many hours a year workers work in Greece, Spain, and other countries on the verge of bankruptcy. Compare with the average hours worked in Germany and United States. Then you will see what I am talking about.

Nope. The policy towards the European Union needs to be reexamined.

Something the likes of B92, Balkaninsight and the rest of these Western funded media outlets don't want you to know is the "EU has no alternative" ideology is begging to show holes that the skeptics predicted a long time ago. So instead of bringing up the EU's clear incompetence with their own problems, it is Serbia's fault for not surrendering what little of territory is not under occupation in Kosovo.

If Serbia had courage it would completely turn it's back to the EU governments that recognizes Kosovo as free when is in reality occupied. The fact is everything that the West is able to supply Serbia with, can be found in traditionally friendly countries. For some reason Serbia has to deal with its interests only through a forum with other stronger countries that try to dictate Serbia's policy.

Say no to the EU, default on loans from the WB, EBC and IMF and invite Russian, Chinese, Indian and Latin American investors into Serbia with favorable tax incentives.

It would take courage, but it cannot be worse than the West is treating Serbia. A country completely turning its back from a failing system will make news world wide.

And I bet you that the countries that are emerging will be more than interested in helping Serbia to prove to the world that the Western system has in fact failed. As if Greece's default, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Portugal's approaching default, London riots, and America's downgraded credit rating was not enough proof.

(Fluid, 30 August 2011 21:16)

So then explain to me what can the EU possibly offer that the rest of these countries cannot? Why would these countries NOT help Serbia but the Western countries that bombed it and stole its southern province and the rights for its people in Croatia would some how be at Serbia's rescue?

The EU needs to get its financial house in order before they are competent to tell people anything. Germany is going to go bankrupt trying to save the rest of Europe from the debt.

Serbia along with the United States will NEVER pay back the debt it has now. Now its just who is going to default first. Is the USA going to default of the debt its own influential few created or are the smaller countries going to do it themselves until the U.S. is alienated?

Serbia would just carefully need to explain to China, Russia, India and Latin America that based on the unfavorably loans the West gave to Serbia, puppets that were controlling Serbia that took these loans and the fact that there is extreme Serbophobia in the political circles of these countries that Serbia can no longer pay back this artificial debt.

None of these European countries except Germany can actually do anything for Serbia. Germany obviously wont because its going to go bankrupt itself trying to even out the rest of Europe from sinking.

oh Meno, you poor guy..

that's cute how you say "we will never have anything to do with Serbia".

All I can say is (and i honestly hope it doesn't send shivers down your spine) that it's only a 'matter of time' ;)

you will have much freedom if you move back to your homeland Albania :)

But in Kosovo the clock is ticking.
(trizo, 30 August 2011 14:45)

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How is the clock ticking? Who is helping you? Do you really think you can invade kosova again? Nato is there, remember. They bombed you a decade ago. The same people are still there.

Your weekly wikileaks:

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/12/09BELGRADE1604.html

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2010/01/10BELGRADE48.html

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/09BELGRADE1314.html

The solution is really simple. On the territory of northern Kosovo there are no "parallel" institutions - there are only and only Serbian institution of local government. Just need to constitute a certain form a representative body, the body that would coordinate activities with the Pristina authorities. This is the solution. Some Albanians are against it because it would make it impossible to assimilation or persecution of Serbs in northern Kosovo. These are the Albanian extremists and the international community should help to curb their actions.

oh Meno, you poor guy..

that's cute how you say "we will never have anything to do with Serbia".

All I can say is (and i honestly hope it doesn't send shivers down your spine) that it's only a 'matter of time' ;)

you will have much freedom if you move back to your homeland Albania :)

But in Kosovo the clock is ticking.

Mendo, please, enough with the macho comments that bring no solutions, only more friction and hatred. Like it or not, Serbs live in Northern Kosovo and have a right to be there. They do not recognize Pristina's UDI, and do not want to be governed by them. That is the crux of the problem, so let's find a solution that is agreeable to all. Nationalistic statements like yours, solve nothing. But maybe you do not seek a solution, but just relish in the idea that Albanians would be governing Serbs, if only in a small geographic area?

"but one think is for sure we will never have anything to do with Serbia."

Mendo

You can stop having anything to do with Serbia by not coming to this forum anymore.

Reexamine or not that's your problem Serbia, we in Kosovo don't care, but one think is for sure we will never have anything to do with Serbia.

Nope. The policy towards the European Union needs to be reexamined.

Something the likes of B92, Balkaninsight and the rest of these Western funded media outlets don't want you to know is the "EU has no alternative" ideology is begging to show holes that the skeptics predicted a long time ago. So instead of bringing up the EU's clear incompetence with their own problems, it is Serbia's fault for not surrendering what little of territory is not under occupation in Kosovo.

If Serbia had courage it would completely turn it's back to the EU governments that recognizes Kosovo as free when is in reality occupied. The fact is everything that the West is able to supply Serbia with, can be found in traditionally friendly countries. For some reason Serbia has to deal with its interests only through a forum with other stronger countries that try to dictate Serbia's policy.

Say no to the EU, default on loans from the WB, EBC and IMF and invite Russian, Chinese, Indian and Latin American investors into Serbia with favorable tax incentives.

It would take courage, but it cannot be worse than the West is treating Serbia. A country completely turning its back from a failing system will make news world wide.

And I bet you that the countries that are emerging will be more than interested in helping Serbia to prove to the world that the Western system has in fact failed. As if Greece's default, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Portugal's approaching default, London riots, and America's downgraded credit rating was not enough proof.

""but one think is for sure we will never have anything to do with Serbia.""

Mendo

"You can stop having anything to do with Serbia by not coming to this forum anymore."
MikeC

Eeehh dude! You said you didn't want to have anything to do with Serbia. My advice was just to help you "not having anything to do with us" by suggesting you don't come here no more. You know this is a Serbian newforum, don't you? Of course you are welcome here to speak your mind but don't say "you don't want anything to do with Serbs" then you hang out here every day which would suggest you "want to have everything to do with us". I mean don't you have fair and balanced news in "Kosova republik"? lol

(Fluid, 30 August 2011 21:16)

So then explain to me what can the EU possibly offer that the rest of these countries cannot? Why would these countries NOT help Serbia but the Western countries that bombed it and stole its southern province and the rights for its people in Croatia would some how be at Serbia's rescue?

The EU needs to get its financial house in order before they are competent to tell people anything. Germany is going to go bankrupt trying to save the rest of Europe from the debt.

Serbia along with the United States will NEVER pay back the debt it has now. Now its just who is going to default first. Is the USA going to default of the debt its own influential few created or are the smaller countries going to do it themselves until the U.S. is alienated?

Serbia would just carefully need to explain to China, Russia, India and Latin America that based on the unfavorably loans the West gave to Serbia, puppets that were controlling Serbia that took these loans and the fact that there is extreme Serbophobia in the political circles of these countries that Serbia can no longer pay back this artificial debt.

None of these European countries except Germany can actually do anything for Serbia. Germany obviously wont because its going to go bankrupt itself trying to even out the rest of Europe from sinking.

@ MikeC

Sorry Mike but it's not up to you if I come to this forum or not. I know what you mean some Serbs think one day they just wake up and tell pepole don't come here anymore, like with my father in 1990 one day they told him don't come to work anymore without any reason and thaousands more had the same fate from the Milosevic regime only because they were K-Albs.

I get out of my bad and I'm in Kosova.

Trizo needs a 3 hours of drive to arrive to Kosova.

Yet listening to this genius Kosova is not mine it is his (holiday home I presume).

You in Serbia have so many phenomenas that the civilized world had to bomb you twice.

The only choices Serbia has are the following.

1). NO EU and NO KOSOVO

2). EU only, conditions to be dictated by the European Union not by Serbia

3). Or current situation which is total and utter poverty

Seeking other backers such as Russia, China, etc while landlocked and surrounded by the EU nations is equal to suicide. Russia received Serbia's oil company for next to nothing, friends such as that Serbia could do without.

Milosevic was your leader, but he didn't do it all by himself. He had support from other Serb politicians, army, police, paramilitary but most important support from the Serbian people from Serbia proper as well as Serbs in Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia and Kosovo. The choices and decisions that were made in the 1990's by the Serb people are the only reasons the Serb nation is this situation in 2011. The World knows the truth, denying won't change anything it will only delay Serbia"s development.

Serbs should admit to their sins, apologize and then they might receive forgiveness so that Serbia can move forward.

Oh Trizo, you "rich" guy, keep on dreaming, you are free to dream with open eyes. Matter of time!!!!! Ha ha ha, You had plenty of time for the past 12 years, why not during this 12 years tell us please?

Shivers down my spine? What shives, Kosovo is right where it belongs my friend.

@ RedLine

Please find it where I said I don't want Serbs to live in Kosovo? Look up the entire web not just b92.com and tell where I said the Serbs don't live in North Kosovo and if I ever said I don't want them there please tell me. I am commenting here with my limited English the way I see the situation in Kosovo but I never implied that there are no Serbs and I have no problems with them at all, but you have to admit that the north is run by criminals who are financed by the Serbian government just to keep a status quo in the whole of Kosovo.

Belive me I have nothing against normal Serbs, as a matter of fact I even have Serbian friends, but when it comes to radicals they need to know the truth.

Ari Gold encourages Serbia to"...default on loans from the WB, EBC and IMF and invite Russian, Chinese, Indian and Latin American investors into Serbia with favorable tax incentives"

And what makes you think that Russia, China, India, and South America (or any government for that matter) would want to invest in Serbia, especially after they default in their previous loans and their credit rating will be at the bottom of all the available credit agencies?

What is the benefit of investing in a distant landlocked country where any ROI will be eliminated by transportation fees? What about the benefit of investing in a country whose borders are disputed?

Business does not operate based on ethnicity, religion, or whether they have recognized Kosovo or not. Business goes where the opportunity exists, and where the chances that there will be a return on investment are great.

It is true that Serbia has an educated workforce. That is not what, the Russians, Chinese, Indian and Latin American corporations are looking for. Literally, they are looking for cheap (I don't want to call it slave) labor, and I know that they will not find that in Serbia.

oh Meno, you poor guy..

that's cute how you say "we will never have anything to do with Serbia".

All I can say is (and i honestly hope it doesn't send shivers down your spine) that it's only a 'matter of time' ;)

you will have much freedom if you move back to your homeland Albania :)

But in Kosovo the clock is ticking.
(trizo, 30 August 2011 14:45)

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How is the clock ticking? Who is helping you? Do you really think you can invade kosova again? Nato is there, remember. They bombed you a decade ago. The same people are still there.

trade and other relations should be established in the same way they existed without mutual recognition of independence between the two German states

The two Germanies model is what can save face for the serbian politicians.You are not asked to recognize Kosovo,but will not be allowed to block Kosovo's membership in international organizations.Once again, first Kosovo in UN and then Serbia in EU.Every other Kosovo division ideas will impact Serbia's borders.Rest assure that Albanians in Presevo will not just sit and watch and probably the bosnians in Sandzjak will do the same.

Your weekly wikileaks:

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/12/09BELGRADE1604.html

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2010/01/10BELGRADE48.html

http://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/09BELGRADE1314.html

Ari Gold,
Not sure where you're getting your facts:

1. These countries did not "steal" the southern province of Kosovo. They merely applied democracy and the UN principle of Self-Determination in the area.

2. The last 10 years show that Serbia has received only 0.03% of its foreign assistance from China and Russia (which is statistically negligible).

Here's the breakdown of aid (not loans, but aid that does not have to be paid back).

European Commission: 2.68 billion euros
United States: 582 million euros
Germany 714 millions euros
Italy 273 million euros
Sweden 215 million euros
Norway 120 million euros
Japan 97 million euros

So, majority of aid to Serbia comes from Europe, not Asia (excluding Japan that donated 97 million euros) or South America. Russia and China are not known to help the others, but they do offer loans, and encourage their companies to search for cheap labor abroad.

3. You do not get a loan by "explaining" to Russia, China, India. There are records of all the loans and donations tracked by international organizations. Based on your "Serbia would just carefully need to explain to China, Russia, India and Latin America that based on the unfavorably loans the West gave to Serbia..." statement, I take it you are a teenager that is not familiar with global finances.

4. What Serbophobia are you talking about? What makes you feel so special that these countries would give you an unfavorable loan only because you are a Serb? Do you see how ridiculous you sound? If they were Serbophobes, they would not give billions of dollars in aid to Serbia. This is xenophobia written all over it.

5. The day Germany will go bankrupt would be either due to a World War, or due to a catastrophe that will wipe out most of the population and the global financial systems as we know them.

6. Why do you blame EU for the countries where austerity measures have been applied? After all, EU is bailing them out. Maybe these countries were not ready for the EU after all, because you can't only get, but you have to give something back as well. Check how many hours a year workers work in Greece, Spain, and other countries on the verge of bankruptcy. Compare with the average hours worked in Germany and United States. Then you will see what I am talking about.