Serbia “blackmailed with Kosovo”

Exactly, THIS IS ILLEGAL! Something must be done!

Time for Tadic and DS rabble to step down and allow Serbians to create a better alternative then the dead-end subservience & brain-less "EU has no alternative" economic impoverishment they have led us to while a few seem to have prospered excessively. Time for change and real alternatives for a better Serbia!

it´s nice to see how much nervousity a simple statement by Mr.Konuzin is causing in our dear k-albanian friend Agim Kelmendi.

what´s the reason for your reaction, Agim? don´t you realize that babbling about 250 russian soldiers who were sitting on the Pristina-airport only makes you look like a fool? I mean, you should know by now, that Russia is wealthier now than in the nineties under Mr.Jelzin. So, what relevance has your remark about 250 russian soldiers in regard to todays statement of Mr.Konuzin?

you have nothing to fear, my friend, all will be fine. Serbia will treat you like a citizen, if you can prove that you lived in southern Serbia prior to 1999. so, keep calm, you will need your strenght for other things...

"why don't you bring your RUS 'soldiers" to take Kosova by force???"
Agim Kelmendi

Agim your comment are getting sillier every day. Kosovo doesn't have a force. Get that through your head. Your so called uck fighters never fought the Serbs head on. Why is that? Why were they hiding in the hills and only when the HATO had done their job they emerged from their hiding place. You actually think this kosovo force who got their asses kicked by farmers in the north of Kosovo a couple of weeks ago would stand a chance against the mighty russkies. Remember, the russians are not the americans. Your american pals got their butts kicked by poor irakies and afghans. Some army!

@Konuzin,
First of all, you were unable to feed and keep 250 rus soldiers in Kosova while UNMIK was governing.
Second, you are pethetic and a big looser. If you think you have so much power, why don't you bring your RUS 'soldiers" to take Kosova by force???

Tell me something I don't know.

Who is this guy to talk? Russia has openly blackmailed El Salvador and Paraguay with Kosovo. Russia has threatened to stop importing goods if they recognise Kosovo. Not to mention Russia openly bribing Belarus, Nauru and Venezuela for recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Practice what you preach!

Second, you are pethetic and a big looser. If you think you have so much power, why don't you bring your RUS 'soldiers" to take Kosova by force???
(Agim Kelmendi, 27 August 2011 17:30)

Easy. Too expensive. Why invent a fancy pen which can be used in the space like Americans did - if cosmonauts can use a cheap pencil? ;-)

But don't worry, you will be the first one to know what the fly sitting on the wall of Russian consulate did hear. And I will be the second after you.

Good, if you want to know - here is an insider information. Russians tend to be more frugal than Americans and more inventive - because they are used to more difficult situation, lesser comfort and can endure more. Also if they really want - things like manpower do not count, assume it being borderless. And the worst news: dependance on computers is quite less, that also means the technic is more primitive of course. But there is no taboo to execute what is decided to be necessary. The story about Polish cavalry being mowed down by German tanks was a hoax - but the story about German tanks disabled in low temperature and the Germans being literally cut in pieces by tool called "shashka" is correct. I think I did send you a clip about "shashka", so keep it in mind: thinking out of the box is mandatory for Russians. Makes the life much less comfortable than in the States but it is safer to live that way for survival of the family / clan if you understand what I mean. That's the goal ultimately. ;-)

"Because Albanians are very differently (much "better") organized."

Ataman, are you developing an inferiority complex?

Serbia will treat you like a citizen, if you can prove that you lived in southern Serbia prior to 1999. so, keep calm, you will need your strenght for other things...
(Jovan, 27 August 2011 19:58)

Jovan, you sound quite confident that the K-Albanians can't prove that they have lived in "Southern Serbia" prior to 1999. Could it be because you were one of those destroying K-Albanian personel documents in 1999 in order to make sure they can't return to "Southern Serbia"?

"The story about Polish cavalry being mowed down by German tanks was a hoax - but the story about German tanks disabled in low temperature and the Germans being literally cut in pieces by tool called "shashka" is correct. I think I did send you a clip about "shashka", so keep it in mind: thinking out of the box is mandatory for Russians."

Ataman, just had a quick look at Wikipedia: Germany has lost 5.530.000 soldiers during WWII on all fronts; Russia between 8.800.000 and 10.700.000 on the Eastern front alone.
Do you really call that successful "thinking out of the box"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#USSR

thanks for telling me what I don't already know. I believe that greater pressure be put on people by the Serbian government to criticise, shame and embarrass them, so they will think twice. Eulex etc, give them a hard time as at the moment they are picking sides.

Ambassador Konuzin, please declare Serbia a Russian Oblast and everybody will be happy! No more evil EU, NATO and whatever, only 500 Million grateful EU citizens!

"The Russian ambassador added that EULEX was “aggressively violating the international law and applying double standards in the implementation of the same principle”".

Really ?! It does not appear his Russian collegue in the UNSC thinks the same otherwise he would have introduced a UNSC resolution to address these violations and order EULEX to respect international law.

“We are facing the fact that the international community is openly violating the UN Security Council Resolution 1244,”

It is nice to see that Russian politicians and diplomats recognize the fact that the "international community" supports Kosova and consequantly this problem is stil aprtially open due to the undemocratic Russia and her VETO in UN SC. If the VETO would not exist Kosova would have been part of ALL international organisms in 3 months after her UDI (oh and I do LOVE the UNILATERAL word here- what independence would be if there is someone else telling you yes you can????) :)

The Serbian people have to realize that the west is playing a game with them.
There is NO way that the west wants Serbia in EU unless they give in totaly,AND THEN MAYBEY WILL SEE.First it was if you give us Milosevic,then Mladic,now Kosovo.The Serbian people will be better of without EU.Look at what is happening in Grece,Portugal,Spain,to name a few.The EURO is only good for the Germans and France.If the Euro is so good why England never joined?
It is unfortunate that we live in the times where propaganda rules,the west HAS forgot who the real allies are and it is easy to manipulate the mass media with false information.
ALL sides have been guilty for the brake up of Yugoslavia and the Serbs got the short end of the stick,and they will continue to.
One thing i know that you are a resilient people and that you will be strong again,your history has proved that and that is why you can not walk away from Kosovo.

If you wanna see an example, take South Sudan. Furthermode, I always wonder what a strange idea of 'independence' some people have. You are independent if you say 'I'm independent'? While you cannot stand on your own feet, you don't even produce enough food to feed your own population, and your daddy is still paying the bills? What an independence it is.
(Analyst, 28 August 2011 10:10)

South Sudan is independent as North has agreed. Now do you think that Serbia will accept the Kosova's independence??

Do you think that we should wait for Serbia for the next 300 or 600 years??? or BETTER international ISOLATION = read NO RUSSIAN BACKING???? and in meantime i should live in waiting for their (Russian+Serbian) benevolence??? just because some years ago they managed to invade me and managed to enter the UN with the map showing my house to be theirs???

The non-consensual divorce is widely practiced and accepted legal norm my dear analyst. If your wife wants to divorce you she doesn't need your approval- you get this???

Independence: Serbia in the last 7 years has obtained a non-refundable aid from EU worth 2.7 billion €. From US 800 million €. A rescue packege from IMF last year and some peanuts from China even less from Russia. do you want to bet that in per-capita the aid Serbia has obtained from EU and US does not differ too much from what Kosova ha got from them??? or you don't like numbers???

And what do you think how much € has FYROM got from EU since her independence??? and Montengro?? Bosnia?? Non of them shoudl be independent??? But you are analyst in Serbia so everything is different.

Ataman, lots of words only that the Russian losses were not caused by the Napoleonic Wars, WWI or the civil war but by Uncle Joe and his paranoia. The Bolschaja Tschistka has weakened the Red Army and has resulted in the over-promotion of inexperienced officers (owing to the purging of experienced officers). Operation Mars is just one example. http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/countrpt/countrpt.htm#75a
The results of Stalin's leadership I have mentioned earlier: Nearly 11 million killed Soviet soldiers compared to the 5,5 million the Germans have suffered during the entire WWII.
P.S.: Regarding my "sympathies": I just don't have any for persons like you who get turned on by "the Germans being literally cut in pieces by tool called "shashka""

it´s nice to see how much nervousity a simple statement by Mr.Konuzin is causing in our dear k-albanian friend Agim Kelmendi.
(Jovan, 27 August 2011 19:58)

I see it somewhat differently, Jovan. I did observe Russian-Georgian, Russian-Chechen, Polish-Ukrainian, Arab-Israeli in the past - and you can do that, too (see youtube), some of that is even in English.

The usual picture is that few guys call each other's mamma names, that someone with more brains from either community will step in and ask to stop the idiocity - what usually does happen, at least for a day or two.

Everything looks very authentic. But man, it is enough if you look at Serbian-Bosnian-Croatian comments. At one point someone will always tell the rest to stop the stupidity.

Not here. Because Albanians are very differently (much "better") organized. The quantity does not make up for the quality. I think, there is a huge hidden scientific value to be explored for ones who want to study the style and social background of Albanian internet warriors.

At last - something they created with unique value.

Unfortunately for them, that value is in the research to be done, not in their writings. The title of that research could be: "The dangers of diligence paired with bigotry".

"BLACKMAIL"This is the one of many Western brands of diplomatic
tools used to project and implement their point of view.Additionally Coercion,flaws in language clarity,deception,imbargos and out right lies are standard elements of Western diplomacy.Lackily,thanks to our Russians
friends UNSC Resolution 1244 is so precise and explicit in regard to sovereignty and territorial integrity of Serbia.Therefore,its impossible
to dethatch legally Kosovo from Serbia with out changing the resolution 1244.Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel suggestion or request that Serbia abandon "parallel Institutions"in Northern Kosovo in order to be
accepted in EU is absurd. Serbia,to abandon their own people would be a
treason of the hight order.It would be travestry of justice to subject Serbs of Northern Kosovo to accept Albanians educational system which is
lowest on the map of Europe.Kosovo Albanian society is barely out woods,
can not provide and govern their own people, much less somebody else.
Serbia should lower the temperature of joining EU.From my perspective,
Serbia should accept and adjust to possibility of not joining EU.

Well, the advantage would be that a country that became independent via a mutual agreement immediately becomes an UN member and has no problems to be recognized as a real country.
(Analyst, 28 August 2011 10:10)

Kosovo became independent without a mutual agreement and was recognized as independent by the majority of the countries (to be precise 109 of them) when they voted to admitt it to the WB and IMF.

As for UN membership, you are correct, as a general theory. However, that is a moot point in Kosovo's case since the mutually agreed solution of more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence whould have kept Kosovo outside of UN forever anyway, so Kosovo did not loose any UN membership by opting for the non-mutually agreed solution.

And being a UN member does not mean being a real country or viceversa... There are a lot of cases in history to prove the point.

(oh and I do LOVE the UNILATERAL word here- what independence would be if there is someone else telling you yes you can????) :)
(ben, 27 August 2011 17:07)
=================================

Ben, you finally got it. Given the fact that US is telling you you can, you are truly independent.
Congratulations.

"Blackmail"I'm pleased that my comment generated such favorable reaction
in regard to UNSC Resolution 1244.It should be a welcome news to everyone especially Serbia if that's official position of Government of Kosovo.If
there should be any conflict in interpretation of resolution 1244 originator and executor, UNSC should have final say.Trust of my original comment was addressed to Angela Merkel Chancellor of Germany requesting Serbia to abandon "parallel institutions" in Northern Kosovo.It was intellectually dishonest request.It has -0- chance to be even consider
much less passed in Parliament of Srebia.It should be clear to everyone
Germany in particular, Serbian people and its land are not for sale.
Threats,direct or implied has no effect on Serbs.

Strong words on both sides, but a glass of tea, good talks in the shade and prayers can resolve many problems.

"If the VETO would not exist Kosova would have been part of ALL international organisms in 3 months after her UDI (oh and I do LOVE the UNILATERAL word here- what independence would be if there is someone else telling you yes you can????) :)"
(ben, 27 August 2011 17:07)

Well, the advantage would be that a country that became independent via a mutual agreement immediately becomes an UN member and has no problems to be recognized as a real country. It doesn't have to buy recognitions, it's supported by all major countries around the world (and not only sponsors from one side). If you wanna see an example, take South Sudan. Furthermode, I always wonder what a strange idea of 'independence' some people have. You are independent if you say 'I'm independent'? While you cannot stand on your own feet, you don't even produce enough food to feed your own population, and your daddy is still paying the bills? What an independence it is.

sigh... illegal.

there is nothing in the world to stop anyone, anywhere from continuing to challenge the legality of kosovo's independence.

no one does, and serbia REFUSES to do so. Rage all you wish...serbia's capitulation in that regard has already occurred.

indeed, any statement of "legality" cues you in to the fact that you are reading more of the same verbal vomit from russia... nothing of intelligence or relevance, aiming its wagging finger squarely at a minority of dull and violent serbs

after decades of russian conciliatory support for every serb nut to come along to incite them into selfdestruction... and still knuckleheads think russia has one shred of interest in the well being of serbs.

do you guys still really and truly think anything russia does, is for the benefit of serbia and serbs? really?

how have serbs faired after these last few decades of russian "friendship"?

Lackily,thanks to our Russians
friends UNSC Resolution 1244 is so precise and explicit in regard to sovereignty and territorial integrity of Serbia.Therefore,its impossible
to dethatch legally Kosovo from Serbia with out changing the resolution 1244.
(lukebuyenovich, 28 August 2011 05:16)


You are fully correct. There is no need to change 1244 since it ensures that Serb forces stay outside of Kosovo, except for an AGREED number which can return and also Kosovo's UDI was in accordance with 1244. So from the Albanians perspective 1244 should not change.

UNSC Resolution 1244 is so precise and explicit in regard to sovereignty and territorial integrity of Serbia that when the UNSC was voting to approve it Serbia told the UNSC that in adopting the text of the resolution, the Security Council would be writing one of the darkest pages
of its history and would be instrumental in a de facto dismemberment of a
sovereign European state. However Russia did not care about Serbia's wishes and did not block the resolution. So Albanians are thanking Russia for that.

Do you really call that successful "thinking out of the box"?
[link]
(Bloody Mary, 28 August 2011 09:54)

Interesting statistics - and your sympathies are evident.

You forgot to mention the statistics from the same source - which show that the Russian (not Soviet) military casualties were ca. 6,750,000. That is still higher than the German 5,530,000 - but take in account the nature of the war in 1941 - 42 and the (lack of) experienced military leadership till about 1943.

Once the experience was there - the luck was there, too.

But as Napoleonic War shows, you can win a war without winning a single battle and minimize the losses - if your generals are experienced.

The statistics of that war telling a lot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Wars_casualties

Or look at the military casualties of WW-I, with the disastrous Revolution and civil war.

Finally - from this source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War

"the combined effect of World War I and the Civil War left a lasting scar in Russian society, and had permanent effects on the development of the Soviet Union"

Basically - this scar is still there, after almost 100 year. Without the WW-I + Revolution disaster the WW-II would look very different. WW-II added an other level of disaster.

The demography and society was broken for many decades, now slowly recovering but still suffering from the past. But at least we can say that neither red nor the brown plague ideologies what caused the disasters did originate from Russia.

Last time I saw Konuzin was during Vidovdan in northern Kosovo, overlooking some "peaceful" bikers and even more "peaceful" members of the Tsar Lazar Guard doing what they do best, while orthodox priests actually living in Kosovo were asking them not to do what they do best.

If there should be any conflict in interpretation of resolution 1244 originator and executor, UNSC should have final say.
(lukebuyenovich, 29 August 2011 04:01)

Well, Serbia had an interpretation problem by claiming that Kosovo's UDI was a violation of 1244. That was clarified last year upon Serbia's request and Serbia interpretation was incorrect: Kosovo's UDI is in accordance with 1244.

@Konuzin,
First of all, you were unable to feed and keep 250 rus soldiers in Kosova while UNMIK was governing.
Second, you are pethetic and a big looser. If you think you have so much power, why don't you bring your RUS 'soldiers" to take Kosova by force???

“We are facing the fact that the international community is openly violating the UN Security Council Resolution 1244,”

It is nice to see that Russian politicians and diplomats recognize the fact that the "international community" supports Kosova and consequantly this problem is stil aprtially open due to the undemocratic Russia and her VETO in UN SC. If the VETO would not exist Kosova would have been part of ALL international organisms in 3 months after her UDI (oh and I do LOVE the UNILATERAL word here- what independence would be if there is someone else telling you yes you can????) :)

Who is this guy to talk? Russia has openly blackmailed El Salvador and Paraguay with Kosovo. Russia has threatened to stop importing goods if they recognise Kosovo. Not to mention Russia openly bribing Belarus, Nauru and Venezuela for recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Practice what you preach!

"The Russian ambassador added that EULEX was “aggressively violating the international law and applying double standards in the implementation of the same principle”".

Really ?! It does not appear his Russian collegue in the UNSC thinks the same otherwise he would have introduced a UNSC resolution to address these violations and order EULEX to respect international law.

Exactly, THIS IS ILLEGAL! Something must be done!

Ambassador Konuzin, please declare Serbia a Russian Oblast and everybody will be happy! No more evil EU, NATO and whatever, only 500 Million grateful EU citizens!

it´s nice to see how much nervousity a simple statement by Mr.Konuzin is causing in our dear k-albanian friend Agim Kelmendi.

what´s the reason for your reaction, Agim? don´t you realize that babbling about 250 russian soldiers who were sitting on the Pristina-airport only makes you look like a fool? I mean, you should know by now, that Russia is wealthier now than in the nineties under Mr.Jelzin. So, what relevance has your remark about 250 russian soldiers in regard to todays statement of Mr.Konuzin?

you have nothing to fear, my friend, all will be fine. Serbia will treat you like a citizen, if you can prove that you lived in southern Serbia prior to 1999. so, keep calm, you will need your strenght for other things...

"why don't you bring your RUS 'soldiers" to take Kosova by force???"
Agim Kelmendi

Agim your comment are getting sillier every day. Kosovo doesn't have a force. Get that through your head. Your so called uck fighters never fought the Serbs head on. Why is that? Why were they hiding in the hills and only when the HATO had done their job they emerged from their hiding place. You actually think this kosovo force who got their asses kicked by farmers in the north of Kosovo a couple of weeks ago would stand a chance against the mighty russkies. Remember, the russians are not the americans. Your american pals got their butts kicked by poor irakies and afghans. Some army!

Do you really call that successful "thinking out of the box"?
[link]
(Bloody Mary, 28 August 2011 09:54)

Interesting statistics - and your sympathies are evident.

You forgot to mention the statistics from the same source - which show that the Russian (not Soviet) military casualties were ca. 6,750,000. That is still higher than the German 5,530,000 - but take in account the nature of the war in 1941 - 42 and the (lack of) experienced military leadership till about 1943.

Once the experience was there - the luck was there, too.

But as Napoleonic War shows, you can win a war without winning a single battle and minimize the losses - if your generals are experienced.

The statistics of that war telling a lot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleonic_Wars_casualties

Or look at the military casualties of WW-I, with the disastrous Revolution and civil war.

Finally - from this source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War

"the combined effect of World War I and the Civil War left a lasting scar in Russian society, and had permanent effects on the development of the Soviet Union"

Basically - this scar is still there, after almost 100 year. Without the WW-I + Revolution disaster the WW-II would look very different. WW-II added an other level of disaster.

The demography and society was broken for many decades, now slowly recovering but still suffering from the past. But at least we can say that neither red nor the brown plague ideologies what caused the disasters did originate from Russia.

it´s nice to see how much nervousity a simple statement by Mr.Konuzin is causing in our dear k-albanian friend Agim Kelmendi.
(Jovan, 27 August 2011 19:58)

I see it somewhat differently, Jovan. I did observe Russian-Georgian, Russian-Chechen, Polish-Ukrainian, Arab-Israeli in the past - and you can do that, too (see youtube), some of that is even in English.

The usual picture is that few guys call each other's mamma names, that someone with more brains from either community will step in and ask to stop the idiocity - what usually does happen, at least for a day or two.

Everything looks very authentic. But man, it is enough if you look at Serbian-Bosnian-Croatian comments. At one point someone will always tell the rest to stop the stupidity.

Not here. Because Albanians are very differently (much "better") organized. The quantity does not make up for the quality. I think, there is a huge hidden scientific value to be explored for ones who want to study the style and social background of Albanian internet warriors.

At last - something they created with unique value.

Unfortunately for them, that value is in the research to be done, not in their writings. The title of that research could be: "The dangers of diligence paired with bigotry".

Tell me something I don't know.

Time for Tadic and DS rabble to step down and allow Serbians to create a better alternative then the dead-end subservience & brain-less "EU has no alternative" economic impoverishment they have led us to while a few seem to have prospered excessively. Time for change and real alternatives for a better Serbia!

Second, you are pethetic and a big looser. If you think you have so much power, why don't you bring your RUS 'soldiers" to take Kosova by force???
(Agim Kelmendi, 27 August 2011 17:30)

Easy. Too expensive. Why invent a fancy pen which can be used in the space like Americans did - if cosmonauts can use a cheap pencil? ;-)

But don't worry, you will be the first one to know what the fly sitting on the wall of Russian consulate did hear. And I will be the second after you.

Good, if you want to know - here is an insider information. Russians tend to be more frugal than Americans and more inventive - because they are used to more difficult situation, lesser comfort and can endure more. Also if they really want - things like manpower do not count, assume it being borderless. And the worst news: dependance on computers is quite less, that also means the technic is more primitive of course. But there is no taboo to execute what is decided to be necessary. The story about Polish cavalry being mowed down by German tanks was a hoax - but the story about German tanks disabled in low temperature and the Germans being literally cut in pieces by tool called "shashka" is correct. I think I did send you a clip about "shashka", so keep it in mind: thinking out of the box is mandatory for Russians. Makes the life much less comfortable than in the States but it is safer to live that way for survival of the family / clan if you understand what I mean. That's the goal ultimately. ;-)

"Blackmail"I'm pleased that my comment generated such favorable reaction
in regard to UNSC Resolution 1244.It should be a welcome news to everyone especially Serbia if that's official position of Government of Kosovo.If
there should be any conflict in interpretation of resolution 1244 originator and executor, UNSC should have final say.Trust of my original comment was addressed to Angela Merkel Chancellor of Germany requesting Serbia to abandon "parallel institutions" in Northern Kosovo.It was intellectually dishonest request.It has -0- chance to be even consider
much less passed in Parliament of Srebia.It should be clear to everyone
Germany in particular, Serbian people and its land are not for sale.
Threats,direct or implied has no effect on Serbs.

thanks for telling me what I don't already know. I believe that greater pressure be put on people by the Serbian government to criticise, shame and embarrass them, so they will think twice. Eulex etc, give them a hard time as at the moment they are picking sides.

sigh... illegal.

there is nothing in the world to stop anyone, anywhere from continuing to challenge the legality of kosovo's independence.

no one does, and serbia REFUSES to do so. Rage all you wish...serbia's capitulation in that regard has already occurred.

indeed, any statement of "legality" cues you in to the fact that you are reading more of the same verbal vomit from russia... nothing of intelligence or relevance, aiming its wagging finger squarely at a minority of dull and violent serbs

after decades of russian conciliatory support for every serb nut to come along to incite them into selfdestruction... and still knuckleheads think russia has one shred of interest in the well being of serbs.

do you guys still really and truly think anything russia does, is for the benefit of serbia and serbs? really?

how have serbs faired after these last few decades of russian "friendship"?

"Because Albanians are very differently (much "better") organized."

Ataman, are you developing an inferiority complex?

Serbia will treat you like a citizen, if you can prove that you lived in southern Serbia prior to 1999. so, keep calm, you will need your strenght for other things...
(Jovan, 27 August 2011 19:58)

Jovan, you sound quite confident that the K-Albanians can't prove that they have lived in "Southern Serbia" prior to 1999. Could it be because you were one of those destroying K-Albanian personel documents in 1999 in order to make sure they can't return to "Southern Serbia"?

Lackily,thanks to our Russians
friends UNSC Resolution 1244 is so precise and explicit in regard to sovereignty and territorial integrity of Serbia.Therefore,its impossible
to dethatch legally Kosovo from Serbia with out changing the resolution 1244.
(lukebuyenovich, 28 August 2011 05:16)


You are fully correct. There is no need to change 1244 since it ensures that Serb forces stay outside of Kosovo, except for an AGREED number which can return and also Kosovo's UDI was in accordance with 1244. So from the Albanians perspective 1244 should not change.

UNSC Resolution 1244 is so precise and explicit in regard to sovereignty and territorial integrity of Serbia that when the UNSC was voting to approve it Serbia told the UNSC that in adopting the text of the resolution, the Security Council would be writing one of the darkest pages
of its history and would be instrumental in a de facto dismemberment of a
sovereign European state. However Russia did not care about Serbia's wishes and did not block the resolution. So Albanians are thanking Russia for that.

Well, the advantage would be that a country that became independent via a mutual agreement immediately becomes an UN member and has no problems to be recognized as a real country.
(Analyst, 28 August 2011 10:10)

Kosovo became independent without a mutual agreement and was recognized as independent by the majority of the countries (to be precise 109 of them) when they voted to admitt it to the WB and IMF.

As for UN membership, you are correct, as a general theory. However, that is a moot point in Kosovo's case since the mutually agreed solution of more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence whould have kept Kosovo outside of UN forever anyway, so Kosovo did not loose any UN membership by opting for the non-mutually agreed solution.

And being a UN member does not mean being a real country or viceversa... There are a lot of cases in history to prove the point.

(oh and I do LOVE the UNILATERAL word here- what independence would be if there is someone else telling you yes you can????) :)
(ben, 27 August 2011 17:07)
=================================

Ben, you finally got it. Given the fact that US is telling you you can, you are truly independent.
Congratulations.

"BLACKMAIL"This is the one of many Western brands of diplomatic
tools used to project and implement their point of view.Additionally Coercion,flaws in language clarity,deception,imbargos and out right lies are standard elements of Western diplomacy.Lackily,thanks to our Russians
friends UNSC Resolution 1244 is so precise and explicit in regard to sovereignty and territorial integrity of Serbia.Therefore,its impossible
to dethatch legally Kosovo from Serbia with out changing the resolution 1244.Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel suggestion or request that Serbia abandon "parallel Institutions"in Northern Kosovo in order to be
accepted in EU is absurd. Serbia,to abandon their own people would be a
treason of the hight order.It would be travestry of justice to subject Serbs of Northern Kosovo to accept Albanians educational system which is
lowest on the map of Europe.Kosovo Albanian society is barely out woods,
can not provide and govern their own people, much less somebody else.
Serbia should lower the temperature of joining EU.From my perspective,
Serbia should accept and adjust to possibility of not joining EU.

"The story about Polish cavalry being mowed down by German tanks was a hoax - but the story about German tanks disabled in low temperature and the Germans being literally cut in pieces by tool called "shashka" is correct. I think I did send you a clip about "shashka", so keep it in mind: thinking out of the box is mandatory for Russians."

Ataman, just had a quick look at Wikipedia: Germany has lost 5.530.000 soldiers during WWII on all fronts; Russia between 8.800.000 and 10.700.000 on the Eastern front alone.
Do you really call that successful "thinking out of the box"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#USSR

If you wanna see an example, take South Sudan. Furthermode, I always wonder what a strange idea of 'independence' some people have. You are independent if you say 'I'm independent'? While you cannot stand on your own feet, you don't even produce enough food to feed your own population, and your daddy is still paying the bills? What an independence it is.
(Analyst, 28 August 2011 10:10)

South Sudan is independent as North has agreed. Now do you think that Serbia will accept the Kosova's independence??

Do you think that we should wait for Serbia for the next 300 or 600 years??? or BETTER international ISOLATION = read NO RUSSIAN BACKING???? and in meantime i should live in waiting for their (Russian+Serbian) benevolence??? just because some years ago they managed to invade me and managed to enter the UN with the map showing my house to be theirs???

The non-consensual divorce is widely practiced and accepted legal norm my dear analyst. If your wife wants to divorce you she doesn't need your approval- you get this???

Independence: Serbia in the last 7 years has obtained a non-refundable aid from EU worth 2.7 billion €. From US 800 million €. A rescue packege from IMF last year and some peanuts from China even less from Russia. do you want to bet that in per-capita the aid Serbia has obtained from EU and US does not differ too much from what Kosova ha got from them??? or you don't like numbers???

And what do you think how much € has FYROM got from EU since her independence??? and Montengro?? Bosnia?? Non of them shoudl be independent??? But you are analyst in Serbia so everything is different.

Ataman, lots of words only that the Russian losses were not caused by the Napoleonic Wars, WWI or the civil war but by Uncle Joe and his paranoia. The Bolschaja Tschistka has weakened the Red Army and has resulted in the over-promotion of inexperienced officers (owing to the purging of experienced officers). Operation Mars is just one example. http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/countrpt/countrpt.htm#75a
The results of Stalin's leadership I have mentioned earlier: Nearly 11 million killed Soviet soldiers compared to the 5,5 million the Germans have suffered during the entire WWII.
P.S.: Regarding my "sympathies": I just don't have any for persons like you who get turned on by "the Germans being literally cut in pieces by tool called "shashka""

Strong words on both sides, but a glass of tea, good talks in the shade and prayers can resolve many problems.

"If the VETO would not exist Kosova would have been part of ALL international organisms in 3 months after her UDI (oh and I do LOVE the UNILATERAL word here- what independence would be if there is someone else telling you yes you can????) :)"
(ben, 27 August 2011 17:07)

Well, the advantage would be that a country that became independent via a mutual agreement immediately becomes an UN member and has no problems to be recognized as a real country. It doesn't have to buy recognitions, it's supported by all major countries around the world (and not only sponsors from one side). If you wanna see an example, take South Sudan. Furthermode, I always wonder what a strange idea of 'independence' some people have. You are independent if you say 'I'm independent'? While you cannot stand on your own feet, you don't even produce enough food to feed your own population, and your daddy is still paying the bills? What an independence it is.

If there should be any conflict in interpretation of resolution 1244 originator and executor, UNSC should have final say.
(lukebuyenovich, 29 August 2011 04:01)

Well, Serbia had an interpretation problem by claiming that Kosovo's UDI was a violation of 1244. That was clarified last year upon Serbia's request and Serbia interpretation was incorrect: Kosovo's UDI is in accordance with 1244.

The Serbian people have to realize that the west is playing a game with them.
There is NO way that the west wants Serbia in EU unless they give in totaly,AND THEN MAYBEY WILL SEE.First it was if you give us Milosevic,then Mladic,now Kosovo.The Serbian people will be better of without EU.Look at what is happening in Grece,Portugal,Spain,to name a few.The EURO is only good for the Germans and France.If the Euro is so good why England never joined?
It is unfortunate that we live in the times where propaganda rules,the west HAS forgot who the real allies are and it is easy to manipulate the mass media with false information.
ALL sides have been guilty for the brake up of Yugoslavia and the Serbs got the short end of the stick,and they will continue to.
One thing i know that you are a resilient people and that you will be strong again,your history has proved that and that is why you can not walk away from Kosovo.

Last time I saw Konuzin was during Vidovdan in northern Kosovo, overlooking some "peaceful" bikers and even more "peaceful" members of the Tsar Lazar Guard doing what they do best, while orthodox priests actually living in Kosovo were asking them not to do what they do best.