Zagreb: Serbian officials’ statements unacceptable

The history and creation of the state Croatia = unacceptable and offensive.

Zoka,
Correct. A state that was built on fascism and genocide, is not a state at all, but an embarrassment.

Correct. A state that was built on fascism and genocide, is not a state at all, but an embarrassment.
(Dragan, 27 August 2011 15:25)

Finally, you understand why RS will never become independent.

Ever since Jadranka Kosor came to power the realations between Serbia and Croatia are getting worse and worse.

Someone please inform the Croatian Foreign Ministry that the statements Serbia finds "offensive" are less the trip Kosor made to Pristina, but they she and other HDZ hacks like her will use every and any opportunity to bring up and glorify Operation Storm and its war criminals as Croatian heros. Going to Pristina to establish deeper economic ties is strategic. Going to Pristina and saying that Croats and Albanians are "old friends" solely and exclusively through one-sided perceptions of victimization by Serbs is unprofessional and petty.

(Dragan, 27 August 2011 15:25)

Republica Srpska is build on genocide and are causing trouble in Bosnia by not respecting the country they live on.


Croatia and Slovenia are the two most democratic countrys in the Balkans. Nothing compared to Serbia wich still has disputes with all it's neighbours.


What happend in Srbrenica and who did it ????

Ever since Jadranka Kosor came to power the realations between Serbia and Croatia are getting worse and worse.
(Hank the Tank, 27 August 2011 16:12)

One of the reasons is for openly celebrating convicted war criminals,and then whines when confronted with truth and reality. The other
is the Serbs apartment that she refuses to vacate.
Does anyone out there know the whereabouts of the previous owner's valuables?

Zagreb: Serbian officials’ statements unacceptable

Since when was truth in any form acceptable to the Croats?
Their whole take on their history is a transparent laughable lie to all that study history,especially British historians who are already laughing their asses off at the new brainwashing textbooks in ALL of the former Nazi puppet states.

One really has to admire Serbia's unique approach to EU membership: Within a few days you have managed to alienate Merkel (according to Forbes the most poweful woman in the world) and Croatia (soon to be an EU member). Please continue the "good work"!

"What happend in Srbrenica and who did it ????"

Njeri

Why stop there. What about Jasenovac? 700.000 Serbs killed. Ring a bell? Not to mention the 250.00 Serbs expelled from Croatia. What about the mass expulsion of Serbs from Kosovo during WW2 and the ethnic clensing by albanians of Kosovo Serbs since '99? If Croatia can become a state after its bloody history then independence for Republika Srpska is a sure thing. Who made you a decider for who gets independence and who doesn't. No one, and I mean no one, can stop Serbs from gaining freedom, in both Kosovo and Bosnia. Sooner or later it will happen. Mark my words.

who cares what they think and now it is leaked that the world stopped the serbs in the war in croatia well the serb lands of krajina and not operation storm



"Oluja" uspela zbog povlacenja Srba, a ne hrvatskog junastva!


http://www.kurir-info.rs/vesti/oluja-uspela-zbog-povlacenja-srba-a-ne-hrvatskog-junastva-117754.php




Oluja" ne bi uspela da su se Srbi branili




http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Ex-YU/160395/Oluja-ne-bi-uspela-da-su-se-Srbi-branili




everything comes out sooner or later so it turns out like we all knew that operation storm was operation world wide that told the serbs to leave and they left and the croats came in to murder old and defenseless people like it states by America and the world so they are celebrating nobody because the croats did nothing and it was the world that told them to pull out and sign the agreement so to the croats that though they won the war well you did not win and actually you lost and the world won but now you are paying with your own lands including Dalmatia and istria to the italians


Plase se za Istru i Dalmaciju


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and krajina will have autonomy soner or later.

''Someone please inform the Croatian Foreign Ministry that the statements Serbia finds "offensive" are less the trip Kosor made to Pristina, but they she and other HDZ hacks like her will use every and any opportunity to bring up and glorify Operation Storm and its war criminals as Croatian heros. Going to Pristina to establish deeper economic ties is strategic. Going to Pristina and saying that Croats and Albanians are "old friends" solely and exclusively through one-sided perceptions of victimization by Serbs is unprofessional and petty.
(Mike, 27 August 2011 17:38) ''

Croatian premiers visiting Kosovo to show support is the least Croatia can do in turn for the precious contribution of albanians during indipendence war of croatia, all of the albanians recruited by JNA deserted their ranks, and most of them chose to fight side by side with croats against jugoslavian forces, two of the most succesfull commanders were albanian, agim ceku contributed in the operation storm and so on...calling us old friends is true as well, our ties go as far as before ww2, many croatian intelectuals contributed to the albanology studies, many croats were executed by the black hand and serb secret agents for this reason between two world war period...croats are our favourite slavs :)

The only thing that is unacceptable all around the world is a prime minister who is praising convicted war criminals as heroes. That's not only embarrassing, but totally out of line for a state official. You usually only hear those statements from extremist parties (in Croatia, Serbia, Kosovo, BiH...)

Dragan is so very right. Any state built solely on greed and the German preacher from Vatican is a failure. It's time to create a strong counter model.

Finally, you understand why RS will never become independent.
(JohnC., 27 August 2011 18:15)
It already is. It already has nothing to do with Federacija, go there and see for yourself. Republika Srpska is already de-facto independent, and will be fully independent in the near future, you can bank on it buddy!
Cheers!!

just forgot to add:

Mrs.Kosor is only barking for domestic political reasons, so her remarks are indicating that she doesn´t feel secure in her position. also the "special greetings" for a sentenced war-criminal are pointing in the same direction.
poor Croatia I´d say, the people´s will to follow into the EU is melting away and she doesn´t know how else to deliver... =)

as I said, poor Croatia...

LOL everything you ever wanted to know about Croatia :)

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Croatia

Albanians in Kosova must learn from Croats. Just get rid of Serbs and the troubles go away.

What happend in Srbrenica and who did it ????
(Njeri, 27 August 2011 15:58)

Aside from tragic human loss by all sides,lots of lies by the west,especially CNN!!!

Any state sponsored by crime, illegal trafficking of goods, without basic respect of basic human rights etc (the Zemun Clan, vilation of UN sanctions in the 90s, anti-Albanian policies in the 90s... the list goes on for eternity) is doomed to be a failed state: SERBIA

Zoka, let me please explain historic background. While Serbia experienced times under Otoman rule, Croatia was under cruel reign of Austrians, Italians, Hungarians. This explains many cultural differences.

Actually it would be more constructive if Serbia and Croatia developed more friendly relations. The support for Kosovo "independence" by some fractions in Croatian government is pure provocation against Serbia. Come on, what good does recognition of a mafia statelet bring? You should instead focus energy on good relations with Serbia. Seriously, that is the best way to bring regional stability and prosperity for all sides (except albanian side, but they already have one state and they neither need nor deserve another one on the Balkan peninsula).

it´s really interesting how some of our dear friends in here, it seems, are so desperate, that they are immediately starting to breathe fire and brimstone as soon as they see an opportunity to do so!

@JohnC: no matter how hard you may wish, but the RS is neither built of fascism nor is it undemocratic. you are possibly mixing it up with the croatian NDH-vassal-state during WW II, the reasons for that are very likely bound to your own person.

@bloody mary:
alienating Mrs.Merkel? =)
well, Serbia is too important for german investors in south-eastern europe in order to let others plant their economic plants there. so, don´t you worry about Serbia, my dear!

Germany hast just recently taken a step that no one of all those k-albanian chestbeaters in here didn´t realize, OR didn´t wish to face:

after making the decision to shut down atomic energy in Germany, a rather important german energy-corporation named RWE has made a deal with Russia´s Gazprom, and I do not believe this will be the last one.

that means, there are some thing shifting, Russia is being seen as a future partner in a for Germany important sector, and this won´t go without reciprocity, one way or the other.

you may dream of a future for your stillborn freak-creation "kosovaaah", but actually things are not going that well for you. you are free to deny it, but sooner or later you will get to feel what that little difference means for you and your future in southern Serbia.

time works for Serbia, and the Tadic-regime isn´t even a patriotic one! let´s just see what future brings! Serbia will prevail!

why are the croatians cryi about facts and when is all the Serbs going back home to their ancient lands of krajina since that is Serbian lands and new news has formed that operation storm was nothing and it was the world that stopped the war in croatia and told the serb fighters to leave and not the croats it was leaked on the news by america and other NATO nations that have stated that but we all know it was the croatian army at all and here is the links to what really happened in the war and all operation storm was they came in after the Serbs were told top leave and then the croats looted the area and did wrongful things to old and defenseless people so actually operation storm was in reality nothing and they are celebrating what the world did and not them.


"Oluja" uspela zbog povlacenja Srba, a ne hrvatskog junastva!


http://www.kurir-info.rs/vesti/oluja-uspela-zbog-povlacenja-srba-a-ne-hrvatskog-junastva-117754.php





Oluja" ne bi uspela da su se Srbi branili



http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Ex-YU/160395/Oluja-ne-bi-uspela-da-su-se-Srbi-branili


and here it talks about how croatia is scared to lose parts of their lands to italy.


Plase se za Istru i Dalmaciju


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and its got the backing of the vatican



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so truth and facts slowly come out about all of this.

johnc-you are an insult to history

Srebrenica was a HUGE Muslim army base but the military received orders to leave on the day before and they and the able-bodied men all gathered in a group of 15,000 to leave. It's all in the Dutch Srebrenica part - the men had separated themselves on orders of their Brigade commanders - who were taking orders from the Muslim commanders and government in Tuzla and Sarajevo and also the UN was ordering this as well - and went to the north of Srebrenica from which they departed in 3 shifts to walk to Muslim-held territory, such as Tuzla.
They had to trek through a lot of Serbian territory and you can bet when Serbs noticed all these Muslim men walking through the wooded areas there were some fights.
But those dead were military and not anything like the media and international community pushed hype.
Meanwhile the women and children were given bus rides by civilian Serbian bus drivers and these buses were escorted by the UN to Tuzla.

Scores of Serbian villages all around Srebrenica had been destroyed in a Muslim scorched-earth police starting in 1992. When Serbs organized enough to push Muslims back (the Muslims had been expanding and expanding their radius of attacks) in Spring 1993, the UN stepped in to protect the ARMY there.

The army was so large and had defenses all around Srebrenica - until the day they were ordered off them by their own brigade commanders.

The ONLY reason Srebrenica "fell" is that the Muslim command and government wanted it to - it was to be swapped with Serbian-controlled areas in Sarajevo. And indeed the Muslims were awarded all these Serbian-controlled areas of Sarajevo at the end of the war.

It was a swap which has been spun into anti-Serb propaganda - full of lies - to justify NATO attacks on Serbs and theft of their land for their tool-people separatists in the former Yugoslavia.

@bloody mary:
alienating Mrs.Merkel? =)
well, Serbia is too important for german investors in south-eastern europe in order to let others plant their economic plants there. so, don´t you worry about Serbia, my dear! (...)after making the decision to shut down atomic energy in Germany, a rather important german energy-corporation named RWE has made a deal with Russia´s Gazprom, and I do not believe this will be the last one. that means, there are some thing shifting, Russia is being seen as a future partner in a for Germany important sector, and this won´t go without reciprocity, one way or the other.
(Jovan, 27 August 2011 19:51)

What a confusing comment: Are you implying that Serbia is Gazprom's protectorate? Are you implying Serbia is Russia?
Regarding the reciprocity between Russia and Germany: That is a simple one; Russia delivers the gas through the Nord Stream pipeline directly to Germany and Germany pays Russia in Euros. (RWE and Gazprom are planning to build gas-fired power plants in Germany as a possible next step but still the same deal: gas delivery in exchange for money). But I still don't see what Serbia has to do with that except for that by giving away NIS to Russia, Serbia has lost its last bargaining chip. Russia/Gazprom got all it wanted from Serbia. Why should it care for you now?

Election time soon in Croatia and Serbia the favourite past time of both politicians countrys bash the Croatians or the Serbs for a few more votes. You simpletons fall in hook line and sinker

(MikeC, 27 August 2011 22:23)


How come only Serbia have problems with it's neighbours?? And this outside it's own territory? I never heard about albanians or an croatians coming to Serbia and kill serbs...

And why stop at WW2?? 400 000 albanians expelled from south Serbia from such citys as Vranje and Nish to Turkey during the Balkan wars?? Thousand killed during the time of Rankovic?? Not to mention the brutal aggression on albanians during the 90's??


And about your freedom, serbs in Kosovo have freedom. The vice PM of Kosovo is Slobodan Petrovic a serb for God sake!! So freedom is not the problem...


To end this endless fighting beteween all balkan countrys against Serbia we have to let borders as they are now and start thinking about other things. If you want North Kosovo and Republica srpska you will have to give up Preshevo valley and Sandzak. One for one that's it. It would be better to move towards EU and stop this nonsens. Kosovo, Croatia and Bosnia will never be Serbian so leave it alone.

Ban imports and trade with Croatia, which is already in Croatia's favor when they see the net loss there and the net gain out of Kosovo let it hit the Croatian public in the pocket and Voila. Kosovo can pay more for it's imports and cost of living and Voila backfire again. Serbia can look to strengthen ties with countries having surplus budgets like Russia, China and get guidance how to run a successful economy. Tough in the beginning great in the end.

Lenard that would be a fine theory except firstly there won't be an election in Serbia for at least 6 months.
Second there aren't many votes in Serbia for arguing with Croats.
Third there are even fewer votes for the current Serbian government in arguing with the Croatian government.

You are right that this HDZ nationalistic tone is due to Croatian elections though. What is sad is the way that this is dragging down Serbia as well.

Lenard there are no votes for the Democratic Party from Radical supporters. All scientific analysis (and unscientific, ask any radical if they would think of voting for Tadic) shows this.

Quite the opposite is true, as you know well Tadic has been trying to gain votes for looking like a regional statesman alongside Josipovic. Josipovic is doing something similar. Both men get a chance to impress internationals at least.

The Serbian government may not have much to show for what they have done in power. In fact 2 out of 5 might even be generous, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no benefit to them to issue nationalist statements with regard to Croatia.

However, there is benefit to a Croatian nationalist party with an even more nationalistic past - HDZ. They can pick up votes from 'patriotic' voters since they are part of that block to begin with.

Situation is easy. Croatia is part of occident, Serbia orient. You can see so many similarities. In the west like Croatia all this terrible immorality disguised as "free speech" in internet. But order and cleanliness in Belgrade, Ankara, Damaskus. Not only is this creating safe and political justice on internet, but also well paid jobs for guardians of public moral also known as internet moderators. Must not confuse this with censorship.

1. Lenard that would be a fine theory except firstly there won't be an election in Serbia for at least 6 months.
Second there aren't many votes in Serbia for arguing with Croats.
Third there are even fewer votes for the current Serbian government in arguing with the Croatian government.

You are right that this HDZ nationalistic tone is due to Croatian elections though. What is sad is the way that this is dragging down Serbia as well.
(bganon, 28 August 2011 12:22)
The Serbian government coalition has to look nationalistic to get votes from Radical supporters and others too they have not much to show for their years in power.

Naturally I forgot the question of "what can China and Russia do".

http://www.serbia-energy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=261:chinese-government-approves-a-privileged-loan-of-300-million-to-serbia-for-kostolac-power-plant&catid=35:resources&Itemid=38

Unlike having to recognise Kosovo to get indebted to the EU, better and cheaper rates can be found here on better political deals.

http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/article/102361-look-whos-coming-europe

http://en.rian.ru/business/20110323/163169378.html

Now with a special FTA with Russia and hopefully with China soon Eu companies might like to take advantage of getting out of over regulated EU bases come into Serbia to take advantage of these markets and vice versa. Instead Tadic gets his friends to anoint him as a nationalist so he can sure up the domestic vote, then all back to normal after the elections. That's Serbia's problem afraid to be bold and independent.

''Ever since Jadranka Kosor came to power the realations between Serbia and Croatia are getting worse and worse.''
(Hank the Tank, 27 August 2011 16:12)
I am surprised myself,2 see a lovely,tender,caring,friendly.........creature,like a WOMAN,NOT being able 2 get over,and forgive serbs for what they did.
However,it might be the case that u serbs have committed some TERRIBLE crimes in Croatia,but nobody ever told u nothing,which IRONICALLY makes u ''innoccent'',at least within your society.
Just saying,because,if this is the case,u don't have 2 be surprised.
And smth.,else.There is this guy called Stipe Mesic,if u remember Him.He use 2 have the same attitude towards serbs as well,nd i guess there is plenty of Croatian politicians who think and feel the same about serbs.
Now,back 2 ur favorite subject:Kosova is serbie....................

I wonder what would serbs think of croatia if, croats, in the 90s, seized control of the JNA and started founding croatian republics in bosnia, vojvodina and montenegro. Ok, ok, we all know , jesonovac, nazi ally, ww2, etc but , what happened in the 90s was 15-20 years ago, and people still have memories...

I wonder what would serbs think of croatia if, croats, in the 90s, seized control of the JNA and started founding croatian republics in bosnia, vojvodina and montenegro. Ok, ok, we all know , jesonovac, nazi ally, ww2, etc but , what happened in the 90s was 15-20 years ago, and people still have memories...
(iliri, 29 August 2011 03:46)

I wonder what Serbs would think of Albanians if if Albaniansin the 90's siezed control of Kosovo and declared own state, oh cr@p, they did, disregard that comment....

dear bloody mary, it seems obvious that you are not capable of realizing what the essence of my comment was and still is. but that´s no big deal, your attempt to write something in response has been successful, if it was only that what you had intended.

otherwise I would say you missed to understand what is obvious, ...and instead of using your brains, you have tried to draw some connections between Gazprom and Serbia ( a business-deal that most of you here cannot grasp when it comes to long-term implications ) but I was speaking about Germany making a further step towards Russia. you don´t agree with that? I am pretty fine with that! but please, do not make yourself a fool with comments like that! if you have something to say, then just say it, but if not, better stay quiet!

I hope this was not confusing, too. =)

(Dragan, 27 August 2011 15:25)

Republica Srpska is build on genocide and are causing trouble in Bosnia by not respecting the country they live on.


Croatia and Slovenia are the two most democratic countrys in the Balkans. Nothing compared to Serbia wich still has disputes with all it's neighbours.


What happend in Srbrenica and who did it ????

Correct. A state that was built on fascism and genocide, is not a state at all, but an embarrassment.
(Dragan, 27 August 2011 15:25)

Finally, you understand why RS will never become independent.

The history and creation of the state Croatia = unacceptable and offensive.

Zoka, let me please explain historic background. While Serbia experienced times under Otoman rule, Croatia was under cruel reign of Austrians, Italians, Hungarians. This explains many cultural differences.

Dragan is so very right. Any state built solely on greed and the German preacher from Vatican is a failure. It's time to create a strong counter model.

Zoka,
Correct. A state that was built on fascism and genocide, is not a state at all, but an embarrassment.

''Someone please inform the Croatian Foreign Ministry that the statements Serbia finds "offensive" are less the trip Kosor made to Pristina, but they she and other HDZ hacks like her will use every and any opportunity to bring up and glorify Operation Storm and its war criminals as Croatian heros. Going to Pristina to establish deeper economic ties is strategic. Going to Pristina and saying that Croats and Albanians are "old friends" solely and exclusively through one-sided perceptions of victimization by Serbs is unprofessional and petty.
(Mike, 27 August 2011 17:38) ''

Croatian premiers visiting Kosovo to show support is the least Croatia can do in turn for the precious contribution of albanians during indipendence war of croatia, all of the albanians recruited by JNA deserted their ranks, and most of them chose to fight side by side with croats against jugoslavian forces, two of the most succesfull commanders were albanian, agim ceku contributed in the operation storm and so on...calling us old friends is true as well, our ties go as far as before ww2, many croatian intelectuals contributed to the albanology studies, many croats were executed by the black hand and serb secret agents for this reason between two world war period...croats are our favourite slavs :)

Situation is easy. Croatia is part of occident, Serbia orient. You can see so many similarities. In the west like Croatia all this terrible immorality disguised as "free speech" in internet. But order and cleanliness in Belgrade, Ankara, Damaskus. Not only is this creating safe and political justice on internet, but also well paid jobs for guardians of public moral also known as internet moderators. Must not confuse this with censorship.

Finally, you understand why RS will never become independent.
(JohnC., 27 August 2011 18:15)
It already is. It already has nothing to do with Federacija, go there and see for yourself. Republika Srpska is already de-facto independent, and will be fully independent in the near future, you can bank on it buddy!
Cheers!!

"What happend in Srbrenica and who did it ????"

Njeri

Why stop there. What about Jasenovac? 700.000 Serbs killed. Ring a bell? Not to mention the 250.00 Serbs expelled from Croatia. What about the mass expulsion of Serbs from Kosovo during WW2 and the ethnic clensing by albanians of Kosovo Serbs since '99? If Croatia can become a state after its bloody history then independence for Republika Srpska is a sure thing. Who made you a decider for who gets independence and who doesn't. No one, and I mean no one, can stop Serbs from gaining freedom, in both Kosovo and Bosnia. Sooner or later it will happen. Mark my words.

Albanians in Kosova must learn from Croats. Just get rid of Serbs and the troubles go away.

Zagreb: Serbian officials’ statements unacceptable

Since when was truth in any form acceptable to the Croats?
Their whole take on their history is a transparent laughable lie to all that study history,especially British historians who are already laughing their asses off at the new brainwashing textbooks in ALL of the former Nazi puppet states.

it´s really interesting how some of our dear friends in here, it seems, are so desperate, that they are immediately starting to breathe fire and brimstone as soon as they see an opportunity to do so!

@JohnC: no matter how hard you may wish, but the RS is neither built of fascism nor is it undemocratic. you are possibly mixing it up with the croatian NDH-vassal-state during WW II, the reasons for that are very likely bound to your own person.

@bloody mary:
alienating Mrs.Merkel? =)
well, Serbia is too important for german investors in south-eastern europe in order to let others plant their economic plants there. so, don´t you worry about Serbia, my dear!

Germany hast just recently taken a step that no one of all those k-albanian chestbeaters in here didn´t realize, OR didn´t wish to face:

after making the decision to shut down atomic energy in Germany, a rather important german energy-corporation named RWE has made a deal with Russia´s Gazprom, and I do not believe this will be the last one.

that means, there are some thing shifting, Russia is being seen as a future partner in a for Germany important sector, and this won´t go without reciprocity, one way or the other.

you may dream of a future for your stillborn freak-creation "kosovaaah", but actually things are not going that well for you. you are free to deny it, but sooner or later you will get to feel what that little difference means for you and your future in southern Serbia.

time works for Serbia, and the Tadic-regime isn´t even a patriotic one! let´s just see what future brings! Serbia will prevail!

One really has to admire Serbia's unique approach to EU membership: Within a few days you have managed to alienate Merkel (according to Forbes the most poweful woman in the world) and Croatia (soon to be an EU member). Please continue the "good work"!

just forgot to add:

Mrs.Kosor is only barking for domestic political reasons, so her remarks are indicating that she doesn´t feel secure in her position. also the "special greetings" for a sentenced war-criminal are pointing in the same direction.
poor Croatia I´d say, the people´s will to follow into the EU is melting away and she doesn´t know how else to deliver... =)

as I said, poor Croatia...

who cares what they think and now it is leaked that the world stopped the serbs in the war in croatia well the serb lands of krajina and not operation storm



"Oluja" uspela zbog povlacenja Srba, a ne hrvatskog junastva!


http://www.kurir-info.rs/vesti/oluja-uspela-zbog-povlacenja-srba-a-ne-hrvatskog-junastva-117754.php




Oluja" ne bi uspela da su se Srbi branili




http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Ex-YU/160395/Oluja-ne-bi-uspela-da-su-se-Srbi-branili




everything comes out sooner or later so it turns out like we all knew that operation storm was operation world wide that told the serbs to leave and they left and the croats came in to murder old and defenseless people like it states by America and the world so they are celebrating nobody because the croats did nothing and it was the world that told them to pull out and sign the agreement so to the croats that though they won the war well you did not win and actually you lost and the world won but now you are paying with your own lands including Dalmatia and istria to the italians


Plase se za Istru i Dalmaciju


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and krajina will have autonomy soner or later.

Ever since Jadranka Kosor came to power the realations between Serbia and Croatia are getting worse and worse.

Someone please inform the Croatian Foreign Ministry that the statements Serbia finds "offensive" are less the trip Kosor made to Pristina, but they she and other HDZ hacks like her will use every and any opportunity to bring up and glorify Operation Storm and its war criminals as Croatian heros. Going to Pristina to establish deeper economic ties is strategic. Going to Pristina and saying that Croats and Albanians are "old friends" solely and exclusively through one-sided perceptions of victimization by Serbs is unprofessional and petty.

What happend in Srbrenica and who did it ????
(Njeri, 27 August 2011 15:58)

Aside from tragic human loss by all sides,lots of lies by the west,especially CNN!!!

johnc-you are an insult to history

Actually it would be more constructive if Serbia and Croatia developed more friendly relations. The support for Kosovo "independence" by some fractions in Croatian government is pure provocation against Serbia. Come on, what good does recognition of a mafia statelet bring? You should instead focus energy on good relations with Serbia. Seriously, that is the best way to bring regional stability and prosperity for all sides (except albanian side, but they already have one state and they neither need nor deserve another one on the Balkan peninsula).

LOL everything you ever wanted to know about Croatia :)

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Croatia

Any state sponsored by crime, illegal trafficking of goods, without basic respect of basic human rights etc (the Zemun Clan, vilation of UN sanctions in the 90s, anti-Albanian policies in the 90s... the list goes on for eternity) is doomed to be a failed state: SERBIA

Ever since Jadranka Kosor came to power the realations between Serbia and Croatia are getting worse and worse.
(Hank the Tank, 27 August 2011 16:12)

One of the reasons is for openly celebrating convicted war criminals,and then whines when confronted with truth and reality. The other
is the Serbs apartment that she refuses to vacate.
Does anyone out there know the whereabouts of the previous owner's valuables?

The only thing that is unacceptable all around the world is a prime minister who is praising convicted war criminals as heroes. That's not only embarrassing, but totally out of line for a state official. You usually only hear those statements from extremist parties (in Croatia, Serbia, Kosovo, BiH...)

@bloody mary:
alienating Mrs.Merkel? =)
well, Serbia is too important for german investors in south-eastern europe in order to let others plant their economic plants there. so, don´t you worry about Serbia, my dear! (...)after making the decision to shut down atomic energy in Germany, a rather important german energy-corporation named RWE has made a deal with Russia´s Gazprom, and I do not believe this will be the last one. that means, there are some thing shifting, Russia is being seen as a future partner in a for Germany important sector, and this won´t go without reciprocity, one way or the other.
(Jovan, 27 August 2011 19:51)

What a confusing comment: Are you implying that Serbia is Gazprom's protectorate? Are you implying Serbia is Russia?
Regarding the reciprocity between Russia and Germany: That is a simple one; Russia delivers the gas through the Nord Stream pipeline directly to Germany and Germany pays Russia in Euros. (RWE and Gazprom are planning to build gas-fired power plants in Germany as a possible next step but still the same deal: gas delivery in exchange for money). But I still don't see what Serbia has to do with that except for that by giving away NIS to Russia, Serbia has lost its last bargaining chip. Russia/Gazprom got all it wanted from Serbia. Why should it care for you now?

(MikeC, 27 August 2011 22:23)


How come only Serbia have problems with it's neighbours?? And this outside it's own territory? I never heard about albanians or an croatians coming to Serbia and kill serbs...

And why stop at WW2?? 400 000 albanians expelled from south Serbia from such citys as Vranje and Nish to Turkey during the Balkan wars?? Thousand killed during the time of Rankovic?? Not to mention the brutal aggression on albanians during the 90's??


And about your freedom, serbs in Kosovo have freedom. The vice PM of Kosovo is Slobodan Petrovic a serb for God sake!! So freedom is not the problem...


To end this endless fighting beteween all balkan countrys against Serbia we have to let borders as they are now and start thinking about other things. If you want North Kosovo and Republica srpska you will have to give up Preshevo valley and Sandzak. One for one that's it. It would be better to move towards EU and stop this nonsens. Kosovo, Croatia and Bosnia will never be Serbian so leave it alone.

''Ever since Jadranka Kosor came to power the realations between Serbia and Croatia are getting worse and worse.''
(Hank the Tank, 27 August 2011 16:12)
I am surprised myself,2 see a lovely,tender,caring,friendly.........creature,like a WOMAN,NOT being able 2 get over,and forgive serbs for what they did.
However,it might be the case that u serbs have committed some TERRIBLE crimes in Croatia,but nobody ever told u nothing,which IRONICALLY makes u ''innoccent'',at least within your society.
Just saying,because,if this is the case,u don't have 2 be surprised.
And smth.,else.There is this guy called Stipe Mesic,if u remember Him.He use 2 have the same attitude towards serbs as well,nd i guess there is plenty of Croatian politicians who think and feel the same about serbs.
Now,back 2 ur favorite subject:Kosova is serbie....................

Srebrenica was a HUGE Muslim army base but the military received orders to leave on the day before and they and the able-bodied men all gathered in a group of 15,000 to leave. It's all in the Dutch Srebrenica part - the men had separated themselves on orders of their Brigade commanders - who were taking orders from the Muslim commanders and government in Tuzla and Sarajevo and also the UN was ordering this as well - and went to the north of Srebrenica from which they departed in 3 shifts to walk to Muslim-held territory, such as Tuzla.
They had to trek through a lot of Serbian territory and you can bet when Serbs noticed all these Muslim men walking through the wooded areas there were some fights.
But those dead were military and not anything like the media and international community pushed hype.
Meanwhile the women and children were given bus rides by civilian Serbian bus drivers and these buses were escorted by the UN to Tuzla.

Scores of Serbian villages all around Srebrenica had been destroyed in a Muslim scorched-earth police starting in 1992. When Serbs organized enough to push Muslims back (the Muslims had been expanding and expanding their radius of attacks) in Spring 1993, the UN stepped in to protect the ARMY there.

The army was so large and had defenses all around Srebrenica - until the day they were ordered off them by their own brigade commanders.

The ONLY reason Srebrenica "fell" is that the Muslim command and government wanted it to - it was to be swapped with Serbian-controlled areas in Sarajevo. And indeed the Muslims were awarded all these Serbian-controlled areas of Sarajevo at the end of the war.

It was a swap which has been spun into anti-Serb propaganda - full of lies - to justify NATO attacks on Serbs and theft of their land for their tool-people separatists in the former Yugoslavia.

why are the croatians cryi about facts and when is all the Serbs going back home to their ancient lands of krajina since that is Serbian lands and new news has formed that operation storm was nothing and it was the world that stopped the war in croatia and told the serb fighters to leave and not the croats it was leaked on the news by america and other NATO nations that have stated that but we all know it was the croatian army at all and here is the links to what really happened in the war and all operation storm was they came in after the Serbs were told top leave and then the croats looted the area and did wrongful things to old and defenseless people so actually operation storm was in reality nothing and they are celebrating what the world did and not them.


"Oluja" uspela zbog povlacenja Srba, a ne hrvatskog junastva!


http://www.kurir-info.rs/vesti/oluja-uspela-zbog-povlacenja-srba-a-ne-hrvatskog-junastva-117754.php





Oluja" ne bi uspela da su se Srbi branili



http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Ex-YU/160395/Oluja-ne-bi-uspela-da-su-se-Srbi-branili


and here it talks about how croatia is scared to lose parts of their lands to italy.


Plase se za Istru i Dalmaciju


http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?anno=2&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=sr&tl=en&u=http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Ex-YU/154755/Plase-se-za-Istru-i-Dalmaciju&usg=ALkJrhgPdF5TcjZwJVkjVozoiCKLuWuKMA


and its got the backing of the vatican



http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?anno=2&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=sr&tl=en&u=http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Ex-YU/154988/Vatikan-na-udaru-Zagreba&usg=ALkJrhgvKtY5YIzbdxMHs7x-HmX9mApe4g




so truth and facts slowly come out about all of this.

Ban imports and trade with Croatia, which is already in Croatia's favor when they see the net loss there and the net gain out of Kosovo let it hit the Croatian public in the pocket and Voila. Kosovo can pay more for it's imports and cost of living and Voila backfire again. Serbia can look to strengthen ties with countries having surplus budgets like Russia, China and get guidance how to run a successful economy. Tough in the beginning great in the end.

1. Lenard that would be a fine theory except firstly there won't be an election in Serbia for at least 6 months.
Second there aren't many votes in Serbia for arguing with Croats.
Third there are even fewer votes for the current Serbian government in arguing with the Croatian government.

You are right that this HDZ nationalistic tone is due to Croatian elections though. What is sad is the way that this is dragging down Serbia as well.
(bganon, 28 August 2011 12:22)
The Serbian government coalition has to look nationalistic to get votes from Radical supporters and others too they have not much to show for their years in power.

Election time soon in Croatia and Serbia the favourite past time of both politicians countrys bash the Croatians or the Serbs for a few more votes. You simpletons fall in hook line and sinker

Naturally I forgot the question of "what can China and Russia do".

http://www.serbia-energy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=261:chinese-government-approves-a-privileged-loan-of-300-million-to-serbia-for-kostolac-power-plant&catid=35:resources&Itemid=38

Unlike having to recognise Kosovo to get indebted to the EU, better and cheaper rates can be found here on better political deals.

http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/article/102361-look-whos-coming-europe

http://en.rian.ru/business/20110323/163169378.html

Now with a special FTA with Russia and hopefully with China soon Eu companies might like to take advantage of getting out of over regulated EU bases come into Serbia to take advantage of these markets and vice versa. Instead Tadic gets his friends to anoint him as a nationalist so he can sure up the domestic vote, then all back to normal after the elections. That's Serbia's problem afraid to be bold and independent.

I wonder what would serbs think of croatia if, croats, in the 90s, seized control of the JNA and started founding croatian republics in bosnia, vojvodina and montenegro. Ok, ok, we all know , jesonovac, nazi ally, ww2, etc but , what happened in the 90s was 15-20 years ago, and people still have memories...

I wonder what would serbs think of croatia if, croats, in the 90s, seized control of the JNA and started founding croatian republics in bosnia, vojvodina and montenegro. Ok, ok, we all know , jesonovac, nazi ally, ww2, etc but , what happened in the 90s was 15-20 years ago, and people still have memories...
(iliri, 29 August 2011 03:46)

I wonder what Serbs would think of Albanians if if Albaniansin the 90's siezed control of Kosovo and declared own state, oh cr@p, they did, disregard that comment....

Lenard that would be a fine theory except firstly there won't be an election in Serbia for at least 6 months.
Second there aren't many votes in Serbia for arguing with Croats.
Third there are even fewer votes for the current Serbian government in arguing with the Croatian government.

You are right that this HDZ nationalistic tone is due to Croatian elections though. What is sad is the way that this is dragging down Serbia as well.

Lenard there are no votes for the Democratic Party from Radical supporters. All scientific analysis (and unscientific, ask any radical if they would think of voting for Tadic) shows this.

Quite the opposite is true, as you know well Tadic has been trying to gain votes for looking like a regional statesman alongside Josipovic. Josipovic is doing something similar. Both men get a chance to impress internationals at least.

The Serbian government may not have much to show for what they have done in power. In fact 2 out of 5 might even be generous, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no benefit to them to issue nationalist statements with regard to Croatia.

However, there is benefit to a Croatian nationalist party with an even more nationalistic past - HDZ. They can pick up votes from 'patriotic' voters since they are part of that block to begin with.

dear bloody mary, it seems obvious that you are not capable of realizing what the essence of my comment was and still is. but that´s no big deal, your attempt to write something in response has been successful, if it was only that what you had intended.

otherwise I would say you missed to understand what is obvious, ...and instead of using your brains, you have tried to draw some connections between Gazprom and Serbia ( a business-deal that most of you here cannot grasp when it comes to long-term implications ) but I was speaking about Germany making a further step towards Russia. you don´t agree with that? I am pretty fine with that! but please, do not make yourself a fool with comments like that! if you have something to say, then just say it, but if not, better stay quiet!

I hope this was not confusing, too. =)