Serbia to recognize Libya’s Transitional Council

I'd agree that it is certain that the new government of Libya will recognize Kosovo as independent. But not because of pressure from the EU and NATO member states. It's because the Transitional National Council recognize that the state in the European periphery most sympathetic to the Gadaffi regime was in fact Serbia. Lots of sympathetic posts in the past on B92 referring to Gadaffi affectionately as the "old fox". As B92 reported on 24 March this year, the Libyan opposition said up to 50,000 Serb hackers were attacking Libyan opposition websites. This combined with Mr. Jeremic's statement in March which called for a "cease-fire" rather than acknowledging the brutal realities of the Gadaffi regime and the legitimate aspirations of the rebels means that yes, Libya will recognize Kosovo.

This is precisely the case with the other side as well.
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(Ataman, 26 August 2011 14:28)

Yes, but the situation is not on all sides the same. Albanians/Americans control Kosovo and they have nothing else than to hold the ground, while the other side has to be aggressive in order to change the situation. Why Serbs and their helper can't be "aggressive"? Because it would only lead in a global war, something what neither China nor Russia have interested in. It is similar in the Caucasus. Why Georgia and their helpers can't move into Abkhazia? Because of the same like in Kosovo, but with sides reversed.

The truth is that Russia left Kosovo with no reason and pressure, something what they didn't do in Abkhazia. This says more than your "assurance" about the Serbian loving people of Russia. If that would be the case, why they didn't stay? Huh? They didn't leave the Georgian provinces. If Moscow could, they would trade those Georgian provinces for Kosovo not wasting a second, selling Serbia like a piece of meat on the market. But unfortunately for the Kremlin nobody even thinks about trading anything.
And regarding China I will not waste much more. Their priorities lies so far away from yours that it makes look the neighboring star system nearer than Kosovo. They sold Gaddafi just exactly when he was useless. A proper end of a former friend to the Eastern powers. Just take a close look and think exactly and you will realize that nobody will waste a single bullet for a religious myth such as Kosovo and risking a global crisis.

As a usual Arab "thank you" they will recognize Kosovo and Serbian government will look silly.
I bet, this time not even Pacolli's money will be needed, they will recognize it to appease the British and French.

Is Gaddafi a good guy or not - it's a different question. Of course I don't like him. But it looks like the government in Serbia has some backbone issues.

Ataman, it is true that the new Libyan government will most likely recognize Kosovo, though for other reasons than you claim.

The question remains, however, what do you try to say? Recognition of the Council is a logic step. They are practically in charge. Even China only yesterday announced that "Gaddhafi was not really our friends", which btw. tells me how reliable it is to count China as your friend (waving to those Serbs you constantly demand closer ties to Beijing). And I don't think that China has "spine" problems.

Serbia just bet onto the wrong horse and now reaps what it sow. In Tunisia, it doesn't look better. The strongest party which will likely will become the new government even announced recognition of Kosovo. What do you want to do, now?

I am not sure I ever displayed any sympathy towards Chinese. I am aware of their strength and some weaknesses.
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(Ataman, 26 August 2011 12:24)

This is why I put that part of my sentence in brackets. Nevertheless, we know certain demands which occurred recently by a range of Serbs. "Serbia needs to look East". Well, that showed us how some can end when they "look East" without looking what comes from above. China (along with Russia) just play their (dirty) game. Being their "friend" means nothing when your political stance does not help them. In particular, neither Beijing or Moscow have interest for an unnecessary confrontation (which in their eyes is Kosovo), since their are primarily interested in their internal power and economic growth for their (the leadership) personal benefit.

Overall, the whole development in Libya was a very clear eye opener. Besides Gaddhafi and his regime, I regard Serbia as the 2nd biggest looser in this struggle, and I'm not even mentioning yet those exposed merceneries.

Who would ahve thought, that one day before you send Serbs in middle of Belgrade supporting Gaddafi, and the next day you recognize freedom fighters that have overthrown "gaddafi". Made in Serbia, what else can I call it?

(waving to those Serbs you constantly demand closer ties to Beijing)
(John, 26 August 2011 11:44)

I am not sure I ever displayed any sympathy towards Chinese. I am aware of their strength and some weaknesses. Good thing to be friendly enough with them but never let your guard down. Sometimes very difficult people to deal with, sometimes very easy. Maynot say more without revealing my identity, company, etc.

And some are cheating even their own. So honesty is a valuable and rare find over there.

A honest Arab is an ever rarer being, I would say, oxymoron.

Being their "friend" means nothing when your political stance does not help them.
(John, 26 August 2011 13:15)

This is precisely the case with the other side as well. The sympathy towards Serbs is traditionally very high in Russia and this is difficult to ignore. I guess, Russia is deeper involved in Kosovo than we think - it's just not as obvious at the first sight but American side seem to be aware of that.

Both of course are at more professional level than all these ROSU silly games, there IMO ROSU was successful to p*ss off the chess players on both sides. I dare to say - even Merkel is not the queen in that chess game ;-)

We can only guess, what is the context behind the Russian move to take it's contingent out of Kosovo. But I am sure it is very diligent to put the proper agents are in the proper place all over the area. Like, of course, U.S. does in Caucasus.
(Ataman, 26 August 2011 22:25)

Russia was unable to feed 250 soldiers while in Kosova, what do you excpect from you beloved so called "Superpower"?

Yes, but the situation is not on all sides the same. Albanians/Americans control Kosovo and they have nothing else than to hold the ground, while the other side has to be aggressive in order to change the situation. Why Serbs and their helper can't be "aggressive"? Because it would only lead in a global war, something what neither China nor Russia have interested in. It is similar in the Caucasus. Why Georgia and their helpers can't move into Abkhazia? Because of the same like in Kosovo, but with sides reversed.
(John, 26 August 2011 20:37)

Something like that - but there is more. See for instance here, how it works:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=08&dd=26&nav_id=76098

As we understand, using "veto power" costs nothing - but it means potentially losing face. At this time U.S. can't afford that luxury, it lost way to much face already. Otherwise they would not pressure Palestinians. Palestinians understand that well - and they want to do precisely that: make U.S. lose some more face.

We can only guess, what is the context behind the Russian move to take it's contingent out of Kosovo. But I am sure it is very diligent to put the proper agents are in the proper place all over the area. Like, of course, U.S. does in Caucasus.

Russia was unable to feed 250 soldiers while in Kosova, what do you excpect from you beloved so called "Superpower"?
(Agim Kelmendi, 26 August 2011 23:31)

Be careful, the best agents are beautiful and dangerous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=uepw8tlQcig

(waving to those Serbs you constantly demand closer ties to Beijing)
(John, 26 August 2011 11:44)

I am not sure I ever displayed any sympathy towards Chinese. I am aware of their strength and some weaknesses. Good thing to be friendly enough with them but never let your guard down. Sometimes very difficult people to deal with, sometimes very easy. Maynot say more without revealing my identity, company, etc.

And some are cheating even their own. So honesty is a valuable and rare find over there.

A honest Arab is an ever rarer being, I would say, oxymoron.

Who would ahve thought, that one day before you send Serbs in middle of Belgrade supporting Gaddafi, and the next day you recognize freedom fighters that have overthrown "gaddafi". Made in Serbia, what else can I call it?

As a usual Arab "thank you" they will recognize Kosovo and Serbian government will look silly.
I bet, this time not even Pacolli's money will be needed, they will recognize it to appease the British and French.

Is Gaddafi a good guy or not - it's a different question. Of course I don't like him. But it looks like the government in Serbia has some backbone issues.

I'd agree that it is certain that the new government of Libya will recognize Kosovo as independent. But not because of pressure from the EU and NATO member states. It's because the Transitional National Council recognize that the state in the European periphery most sympathetic to the Gadaffi regime was in fact Serbia. Lots of sympathetic posts in the past on B92 referring to Gadaffi affectionately as the "old fox". As B92 reported on 24 March this year, the Libyan opposition said up to 50,000 Serb hackers were attacking Libyan opposition websites. This combined with Mr. Jeremic's statement in March which called for a "cease-fire" rather than acknowledging the brutal realities of the Gadaffi regime and the legitimate aspirations of the rebels means that yes, Libya will recognize Kosovo.

I am not sure I ever displayed any sympathy towards Chinese. I am aware of their strength and some weaknesses.
...

(Ataman, 26 August 2011 12:24)

This is why I put that part of my sentence in brackets. Nevertheless, we know certain demands which occurred recently by a range of Serbs. "Serbia needs to look East". Well, that showed us how some can end when they "look East" without looking what comes from above. China (along with Russia) just play their (dirty) game. Being their "friend" means nothing when your political stance does not help them. In particular, neither Beijing or Moscow have interest for an unnecessary confrontation (which in their eyes is Kosovo), since their are primarily interested in their internal power and economic growth for their (the leadership) personal benefit.

Overall, the whole development in Libya was a very clear eye opener. Besides Gaddhafi and his regime, I regard Serbia as the 2nd biggest looser in this struggle, and I'm not even mentioning yet those exposed merceneries.

Ataman, it is true that the new Libyan government will most likely recognize Kosovo, though for other reasons than you claim.

The question remains, however, what do you try to say? Recognition of the Council is a logic step. They are practically in charge. Even China only yesterday announced that "Gaddhafi was not really our friends", which btw. tells me how reliable it is to count China as your friend (waving to those Serbs you constantly demand closer ties to Beijing). And I don't think that China has "spine" problems.

Serbia just bet onto the wrong horse and now reaps what it sow. In Tunisia, it doesn't look better. The strongest party which will likely will become the new government even announced recognition of Kosovo. What do you want to do, now?

Being their "friend" means nothing when your political stance does not help them.
(John, 26 August 2011 13:15)

This is precisely the case with the other side as well. The sympathy towards Serbs is traditionally very high in Russia and this is difficult to ignore. I guess, Russia is deeper involved in Kosovo than we think - it's just not as obvious at the first sight but American side seem to be aware of that.

Both of course are at more professional level than all these ROSU silly games, there IMO ROSU was successful to p*ss off the chess players on both sides. I dare to say - even Merkel is not the queen in that chess game ;-)

Yes, but the situation is not on all sides the same. Albanians/Americans control Kosovo and they have nothing else than to hold the ground, while the other side has to be aggressive in order to change the situation. Why Serbs and their helper can't be "aggressive"? Because it would only lead in a global war, something what neither China nor Russia have interested in. It is similar in the Caucasus. Why Georgia and their helpers can't move into Abkhazia? Because of the same like in Kosovo, but with sides reversed.
(John, 26 August 2011 20:37)

Something like that - but there is more. See for instance here, how it works:

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=08&dd=26&nav_id=76098

As we understand, using "veto power" costs nothing - but it means potentially losing face. At this time U.S. can't afford that luxury, it lost way to much face already. Otherwise they would not pressure Palestinians. Palestinians understand that well - and they want to do precisely that: make U.S. lose some more face.

We can only guess, what is the context behind the Russian move to take it's contingent out of Kosovo. But I am sure it is very diligent to put the proper agents are in the proper place all over the area. Like, of course, U.S. does in Caucasus.

Russia was unable to feed 250 soldiers while in Kosova, what do you excpect from you beloved so called "Superpower"?
(Agim Kelmendi, 26 August 2011 23:31)

Be careful, the best agents are beautiful and dangerous.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=uepw8tlQcig

This is precisely the case with the other side as well.
[...]
(Ataman, 26 August 2011 14:28)

Yes, but the situation is not on all sides the same. Albanians/Americans control Kosovo and they have nothing else than to hold the ground, while the other side has to be aggressive in order to change the situation. Why Serbs and their helper can't be "aggressive"? Because it would only lead in a global war, something what neither China nor Russia have interested in. It is similar in the Caucasus. Why Georgia and their helpers can't move into Abkhazia? Because of the same like in Kosovo, but with sides reversed.

The truth is that Russia left Kosovo with no reason and pressure, something what they didn't do in Abkhazia. This says more than your "assurance" about the Serbian loving people of Russia. If that would be the case, why they didn't stay? Huh? They didn't leave the Georgian provinces. If Moscow could, they would trade those Georgian provinces for Kosovo not wasting a second, selling Serbia like a piece of meat on the market. But unfortunately for the Kremlin nobody even thinks about trading anything.
And regarding China I will not waste much more. Their priorities lies so far away from yours that it makes look the neighboring star system nearer than Kosovo. They sold Gaddafi just exactly when he was useless. A proper end of a former friend to the Eastern powers. Just take a close look and think exactly and you will realize that nobody will waste a single bullet for a religious myth such as Kosovo and risking a global crisis.

We can only guess, what is the context behind the Russian move to take it's contingent out of Kosovo. But I am sure it is very diligent to put the proper agents are in the proper place all over the area. Like, of course, U.S. does in Caucasus.
(Ataman, 26 August 2011 22:25)

Russia was unable to feed 250 soldiers while in Kosova, what do you excpect from you beloved so called "Superpower"?