German daily: Merkel to exert new pressure on Serbia

O.K., we know Merkel's visions for Serbia. However, I'd really like to know how she sees Kosovo's future.

Let's just step a littlebit further into the future. Let's imagine a flourishing Serbia with EU-like political structures. A Serbia that's oficially or at least unofficially recognising an independent Kosovo. All this is very well possible.

At the same time I have absolutely no idea how the severe economic & political problems in Kosovo can be solved. It's nowhere near EU membership. Does Merkel imagine an isolated slum surrounded by the EU & Albania (which - despite of its poor economy - is far more developed than Kosovo)?

Look how developed albanian countries are. Even being located near sea, they can't establish any form of international tourism. Or simply put: No one dares to go there. Ethnic hatred towards non-albanians, ever heard of? Known to some, felt and ignored by others. Germany deeply supports the albanian ideas. Doin' it since long time. No surprise here. Germany's balkan politics (and in general) are the biggest threats and hold towards collective progress.

It becomes now very clear that Serbia will have to decide: EU or Kosovo, independently of all the nonsense that some EP raporteur can be saying. The top powers of EU are now clearly blackmailing Serbia. This is the pure and very sad reality
If Serbia choose EU, the big losers of all this will be Kosovo Serbians. They will have to swallow that their land is not more Serbia but a new state artificially created and supported by those top powers. They very know they made a big mistake recognising Kosovo so quickly, creating a bigger problem but, of course, they cannot recognise it and what they want is that this mistake is paid by Serbia and the Kosovo Serbians...second class.
Serbia could choose Kosovo, but in this clever way: apply all the economic, political and law changes and improvements required as it is would apply for EU candidacy, and finally request just a similar EU status that have Norway, and be focussed in a good dry port in the middle of the Balkans and a bridge between Russia , China and other east powers and EU. This means a very big effort and mind changes in Serbia , but if it works with Norway, Switzerland in a way, it can work for Serbia as well. EU is not the first and end of the World.
I think that dignity is first and EU have been demonstrating that they don't respect Serbia at all (independently of the good words). Remember: 1.- they bombed Serbia 12 years ago, 2.- they signed UN 1244 that ensured Serbia Integrity however that recognised Kosovo as independent without trying first to reach any agreement with Serbia (why do they say solemnly that now the most important thing is the dialogue between Serbia and Kosovo, but they didn't apply it with Serbia when Kosovo independence ?), 3.- they have been saying that Kosovo is not a EU condition, just Hague cooperation; but now, once the former is accomplished, it seems that yes, it is a new precondition.. (playing with Serbia),... and don't speak about the hypocrite/cynical top EU powers' opinion regarding the cases of Kosovo and those of Abjasia and South Ossetia
In any case, this is the situation and it is the people of Serbia who have to choose.
Regards

Germans can demand little as the EU is BROKE – this is just utter crap. The only people that feel any pressure are the likes of Tadic et al because they are being paid to achieve certain goals but are getting nowhere fast.
German media are full of it as usual. It sell newspapers.

It becomes now very clear that Serbia will have to decide: EU or Kosovo, independently of all the nonsense that some EP raporteur can be saying. The top powers o f EU are now clearly blackmailing Serbia. This is the pure reality. Although sad.
If Serbia choose EU, the big losers of all this will be Kosovo Serbians. They will have to swallow that their land is not more Serbia but a new state artificially created and supported by those top powers. These know that they made a big mistake recognising Kosovo so quickly, creating a bigger problem but, of course, they cannot recognise it and what they want is that this mistake is paid by Serbia and the Kosovo Serbians...second class.
Serbia could choose Kosovo, but in this clever way: apply all the economic, political and law changes and improvements required as it is would apply for EU candidacy, and finally request just a similar EU status that have Norway, and be focussed in a good dry port in the middle of the Balkans and a bridge between Russia , China and other east powers and EU. This means a very big effort and mind changes in Serbia , but if it works with Norway, Switzerland in a way, it can work for Serbia as well. EU is not the first and end of the World.
I think that dignity is first and EU have been demonstrating that they don't respect Serbia at all (independently of the good words). Remember: 1.- they bombed Serbia 12 years ago, 2.- they signed UN 1244 that ensured Serbia Integrity however they recognised Kosovo as independent country without trying first to reach any agreement with Serbia (why do they say solemnly that now the most important thing is the dialogue between Serbia and Kosovo, but they didn't apply it with Serbia when Kosovo independence ?), 3.- they have been saying that Kosovo is not a EU condition, just Hague cooperation; but now, once the later is accomplished, it seems that yes, it is a new precondition.. (playing with Serbia),... and don't speak about the hypocrite/cynical top EU powers' opinion regarding the cases of Kosovo and those of Abjasia and South Ossetia
In any case, this is the situation and it is the people of Serbia who have to choose.
Regards

(editing the former sent becuase some typing mistakes)

By forcing Serbia to recognize Kosovo its just pushing Serbia further and further east (To Russia) yet they claim that Serbias path is towards the EU, theyre so hypocritical

"Ethnic hatred towards non-albanians...."
Wale

Indeed! Minorities in Albania are not allowed to be minorities. Instead they are forcefully integrated into mainstream albanian culture.
The following links shows what happened to serbs and montenegrins in Albania.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShcFMw4jhLw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAAzHFi6IUA

Well well, things have certainly gotten interesting since I was here last. I spent two weeks in Belgrade and another two weeks (mercifully) avoiding chat sites like this. As usual, the same rhetorical doublespeak from Germany and other EU officials higher up on the diplomatic food chain keeps the rest of us guessing as to what exactly Serbia is required to fulfill for at least the next few months.

The issue of whether Serbia will have to recognize its wayward southern province has never been explicitly stated but also never completely denied either. This talk about "we don't expect Serbia to recognize but we sort of expect them to do so by the end of the negotiating process, but then again we don't know what the 5 Naysayers will do so we're not sure what policy will be given to Belgrade" is a convenient - yet convoluted - way of saying "I have no idea how this is going to play out but make nice with each other in the meantime." Easier said than done considering the extremist statements coming from Pristina of late.

But we need to also pay attention to one other thing: even though international figures have all but ruled out a change in borders because of some precedent that would be set by rewarding ethnocentric boundaries that for whatever reason was lost of them when they sanctioned it in 2008, we cannot overlook what the internal configuration of Kosovo Province will look like. Ok, the north remains where it is, but no one can realistically say it will not be given some form of substantial autonomy or - dare we use the word - "special status". To this, "autonomy" should also be extended to the Serb-dominant municipalities throughout the rest of Kosovo, which seems to be happening both through decentralization as well as Albanian indifference to what happens in Gracanica. Again, having been there, I can tell you that Gracanica is as much outside Pristina's immediate grip as Mitrovica. And even more outside its interest. By that point, who really cares whether Kosovo is a "part of Serbia" or not, and I suspect that if the diplomatic stalemate continues, Germany and others will be happy to at least acknowledge stability was reached.

The next question is what to do with Kosovo's own EU ascension, which by most official assertions is far far away.

I note again that there's another user going by "Mike". Again I don't disagree what what he's writing, but I, who've been here for years, have never been to Albania. I'd once again kindly ask that usernames be differentiated, but whatever. Mike is a common name and I'm only writing this for anyone who needs/wants to attribute credit/criticism where appropriate.

Daytonize Kosovo and be done with this neverending soap opera. Most of my friends in Belgrade were sick of hearing about it.

According to the German media, Belgrade is expected to recognize Kosovo “in the long run” and such request can also appear during Serbia’s EU accession process.

Ok Germany's stand on Serbia's EU accession is Clear.
So Serbia Should answer them a Big NO.

Daytonize Kosovo and be done with this neverending soap opera. Most of my friends in Belgrade were sick of hearing about it.
(The original Mike, 21 August 2011 18:27)

Pretty much the only solution, i.e. who wants does report to Tirana, who wants does report to Pristina, who wants does report to Podgorica, who wants does report to Belgrade - and Thaçi & co. does report to jail guards.

"..I have absolutely no idea how the severe economic & political problems in Kosovo can be solved."

Mike,

Don't worry! A solution will be like those used in Greece or any other potential EU bnkrupt country. For me is important that Serbia should NOT STIR UP the waters in Kosovo and in Balkans as it is usually doing. No one will be unpunished in Kosovo when it comes to corruption and crime but it will take some time to get to the bottom.

Serbia will alway be serbia and will be reletivly happy in the EU with or without Kosovo. The problem is Kosovo ...
It is clear Germany cannot step back anymore on Kosovo.

Germany would never give the Albanians a piece of their land, just because the Albanians terrorists killed and raped the Germans until the Germans had to run away and let the Albanians take control of their land. Suddenly there would be millions of Albanians in one big part of Germany and the Albanians would declare independence. Will the EU back the Albanians when they take over a part of Germany?
It is well documented that the EU was formed by the ex Nazi Germany regime. If Serbia allowed itself to be extorted by the EU, it would practically break down into a civil war and a war in Kosovo, of which would spill over into the neighbouring countries. Serbia's history clearly shows that it would never betray it's dignity to become part of the EU. Russia and China will capitalise in the failure of Serbia joining the EU, so one way or another Serbia will rise again. Kosovo will not be successful in joining the EU because the criminal Albanians who took control of Kosovo will declare war with Serbia when they fail to take control of the north.
Serbia cannot be held accountable for defending itself against the Albanians when they start a war with Serbia. Russia and China will back Serbia and KFOR and EULUX will have to protect the Serbians.

Maybe they can give mrs. Merkel a replica of the results of the Congres of Berlin of 1878. It might be a nice way to remember her that this is not the first time the "big powers" attempt to settle the Balkans once and for all without much local input.

Could not agree with you more Mick. It is about time that we stop conceding our rights in Kosovo and concentrate more on protecting our country and economy...

"Indeed! Minorities in Albania are not allowed to be minorities. Instead they are forcefully integrated into mainstream albanian culture.
The following links shows what happened to serbs and montenegrins in Albania."

Rather like France. There is no official racism there because if you have french citizenship, then you are considered french. But, if you are of north african origin, regardless of whether you are born in France or not, regardless of the quality of your resume, you are far less likely to get an interview, let alone the job. As it is not an 'official problem', the authorities can pretend it doesn't exist. OTOH they are generally ignored and kept in ghettos which explode in violence every so often (-2y Clichy-sous-Bois) The Front National has even penetrated Bretagne for the first time this year.

As for albanian infrastructure, the Kuwaiti's recently paid for a new airport in northern albania, the Emir or his representative there to open it. Gulf arabs do not give hundreds of millions for nothing and in return expect their form of islam to be adopted, normally through their imams at new, Kuwaiti built mosques. The saudis built the giant mosque in Sarajevo and have their man there. Time to learn the Koran backwards.

"I note again that there's another user going by "Mike". Again I don't disagree what what he's writing, but I, who've been here for years, have never been to Albania. I'd once again kindly ask that usernames be differentiated, but whatever. Mike is a common name and I'm only writing this for anyone who needs/wants to attribute credit/criticism where appropriate. "

Sorry, I was completly unaware of this. I'll chose a different user name in the future.

I more or less agree with Mick's analysis of Merkel. She's a pragmatic technocrat and frequently changes her mind. In recent years, she first had the center-left Social Democrats as her coalition partner and then started a coalition with the neoliberal Free Democrats. As this party has become highly unpopular in Germany, she's now considering a coalition with the ecologically orientated, center-left Green Party after the elections in 2013.

However, I believe pragmatism is the keyword when it comes to the relationships with Serbia. The country's economically interesting and therefore, she now regards it as a friend.

The main reason why she's asking for a recognition of Kosovo's probably just as pragmatic: German troops in the region cost a lot of money. Therefore, she wants relative stability in the region so the German Army can be pulled out eventually. I'm sure Germany will sell weapons to both the Serbian and the Kosovo Army afterwards.

"Or simply put: No one dares to go there. Ethnic hatred towards non-albanians, ever heard of?"

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. For western tourists, Albania is a perfectly safe country. Western visitors are treated with great hospitality. I experienced this firsthand.

The major obastacle for package tourist developments in Albania is the airport situation. All seaside resorts close to Tirana are full off extremely ugly concrete blocks, particularly Durres - which also has a bad water quality. However, in the south, there's plenty of space for new hotels. Unfortunately the journey by bus from Tirana takes several hours. The same applies if you fly to Korfu as you have to take a ferry to Saranda first. Once again, it'd take several hours. This would be unacceptable for most package tourists.

However, negotiations for a new airport at Saranda are now finally making progress. This means the tourist situation in Albania could change in a few years.

Wale's comments were refering to tourism in Albania. Now I certainly wouldn't recommend Albania as as perfect tourist destination to Serbs. Neither would I recommend Serbia to Albanian tourists.

However, for tourists from North America, western Europe or other western countries, Albania's a perfectly safe place.

Ok Germany's stand on Serbia's EU accession is Clear.
So Serbia Should answer them a Big NO.
(mick, 21 August 2011 21:46)

Nothing is clear because Merkel changed her political stance as it did suit her. Don't forget: she was a pretty active member of FDJ and she met her (German) husband in Leningrad.

Later she became a daughter of a prosecuted and marginalized pastor.

She is a very clever politician who survived major ups and downs. So nothing we can predict, except that historically the West German politics was wary of Jugoslavija and the East German politics really hated it (but had to pretend to be a friend).

And before we had good 700 years when every 50 or so years German rulers tried to do maximal damage to the area. So my guess is, Germany is not a big friend of Serbia historically.

"Indeed! Minorities in Albania are not allowed to be minorities. Instead they are forcefully integrated into mainstream albanian culture.
The following links shows what happened to serbs and montenegrins in Albania.

[link]

[link]
(MikeC,"

MikeC,
I don't expect anything but rubbish from you.
FYI, Serbs & Montenegrins enjoyed broader rights in Albania than Albanians themselves.

Look up the region knows as 'Vraka'.
Do some research.

Mike (original one), very good to have you and your intelligent comments back. I figured the other Mike was different, though bin his own way he has also tended to be a moderating influence around here.
Some comments:

“But we need to also pay attention to one other thing: even though international figures have all but ruled out a change in borders because of some precedent that would be set by rewarding ethnocentric boundaries that for whatever reason was lost of them when they sanctioned it in 2008”

Let’s not forget that for most of the period 1999-2008, nearly all western governments, including the US, were opposed to independence precisely for that reason, and they were all even more solidly opposed to it before 1999. We need to understand that the actions of Milosevic and co had a lot to do with Serbia losing it. Still the west let Kosovo stew without any sort of status for a decade under a UN colonial authority in order to avoid the obvious. That’s why, when they finally figured there was no alternative, they made sure the new Ahtisaari state had no ethnic denoters whatsoever, an ethnic-neutral EU flag, and massive autonomy for the Serb regions in the form of the decentralized municipalities, with links to Serbia, minority quotas in every part of the state apparatus etc. I fully agree it is not good enough for the Serbs, because of the *actual workings* of it and the fact that the Serbs have very good reason to distrust an Albanian majority state of any kind, given the situation on the ground since 1999, but we also need to understand that the west is a little more consistent than you give them credit for (not that I am usually any kind of lawyer for them, but..)

“we cannot overlook what the internal configuration of Kosovo Province will look like. Ok, the north remains where it is, but no one can realistically say it will not be given some form of substantial autonomy or - dare we use the word - "special status".”

Absolutely. It is internally that Serbia should be looking at. Not only because of what the west says, but also because of what is best for the Serbs in the rest of Kosovo, not just the north. I can well understand the northern Serbs not wanting a border between themselves and Serbia, which they consider their country. Any attempt by Thaci to use force to change that should be condemned. However, in itself, there is a frankly selfish element to this. The northern Serbs have never been oppressed by Pristina since 1999, and even if they accepted the Ahtisaari status they would still effectively rule themselves. They gain/lose nothing really. But if an international border were drawn at the Ibar, the Serbs in the southern enclaves would be far more isolated – what is now their cultural, political, educational centre inside Kosovo – N. Mitrovica – would be cut out. Elevating the status of the northern Serb region in an Ahtisaari-plus style is the best compromise for all involved. I hope that Pristina, Belgrade and N. Mitrovica see sense on this. Personally I have always believed that Kosovo should be completely independent but transformed into a kind of federation of a large Albanian unit and a small Serb unit, also giving Albanians more freedom in a sense. “Special status” or autonomy of a higher form than in Ahtisaari would be a similar thing.

“To this, "autonomy" should also be extended to the Serb-dominant municipalities throughout the rest of Kosovo, which seems to be happening both through decentralization as well as Albanian indifference to what happens in Gracanica. Again, having been there, I can tell you that Gracanica is as much outside Pristina's immediate grip as Mitrovica.”

Yes Mike, but this begs the question: if “it is happening” under the Ahtisaari Plan’s very provisions for Serb autonomy, then really what is the fundamental objection to Ahtisaari-style Kosovar independence? That is what many Albanians might rightfully ask. I will answer that practice has not lived up to theory in many respects, especially the areas of security and justice, in particular busting people for at least some of the more terrible crimes since 1999 (the 14 farmers, the Gorazdevac children etc). Thus, something “higher” still without full international partition might be the answer, especially in the special circumstances of the north.

“Daytonize Kosovo and be done with this never ending soap opera.”

From my comments I of course agree with this, much as I (unlike you) hate Dayton. But what was not good for a multi-ethnic society like Bosnia perhaps is good for a society that was never multi-ethnic, like Kosovo (or Cyprus). And even if you argue that after the actual war in Bosnia, even the multi-ethnic aspects were destroyed, hatreds intensified, so some kind of ethnic-based federation became necessary in Bosnia, there was still no justice in the Serbian 30% of the population getting 50% of the land, recognising ethnic cleansing (Christ, Holbrooke even made sure that Srebrenica was included in RS after what had just happened!), a victory for Serb military superiority and aggression. Whereas that is completely different again in Kosovo where Serbia was defeated, the serbs have suffered since 1999, and the north constitutes about 10% of Kosovo, about the same as the actual Serb population.

Thanks for the comments/points DimTuc. One of the things I noted when I was in Belgrade concerning this latest escapade in Kosovo were three things:

1. The readiness of Belgrade to find some solution
2. The readiness of local elites in northern Kosovo to chart their own path
3. The noted silence of local elites in Gracanica

There really does seem to be a power play between Belgrade and Mitrovica and credit should go to Stefanovic for finding some narrow window of common ground between them and KFOR. This could have gone down a lot uglier than it did, and the burning of the checkpoints (which were largely cosmetic beforehand, having passed through them myself without even needing to stop the car) was, in my opinion, a move by northern elites to shift attention away from both Pristina *and* Belgrade and onto them.

And they succeeded since we see two things happening:

1. Current issues surrounding Kosovo are now almost exclusively shaped around the future of the north, not the rest of Kosovo
2. Local leaders are having more of a say over their immediate future than Belgrade, and Pristina is nowhere to be seen, heard, or even considered.

This is pretty strategic in my book since it sets up the possibility for a compromise solution that the international community will support in favor of northern autonomy (under the rationale of borders being finalized), but may actually benefit northern elites too (under the rationale of not having to look to Belgrade for future approval of day to day activities).

Now as far as the rest of Serb-populated areas in Kosovo are concerned - and here I know mostly Gracanica and Orahovac (Velika Hoca), I can only say that self-management is in fact working. Whether this is because of the Ahtisaari Plan or simply because Pristina is not interested in them (I think its the latter), still challenges the idea that Serbs are endangered in Kosovo as a community. Let me also note that Visoki Decani monastery is completing a new dormitory which plans to house 40 additional monks that are slated to move there in the next two years. I'd even go so far as to say that Gracanica Serbs are probably more angry at Belgrade for effectively abandoning them than Pristina for (thankfully) ignoring them. And Velika Hoca has actually come under criticism by local Albanian elites who note they have *more* self-management rights than the local Albanian community. It's little more than 1000 Serbs but they're good at bringing in NGO funding.

Kosovo is just a Hell of a lot more complex than many would like to believe, but I really think the best way forward now is pushing through decentralization and letting local elites take responsibility for their own achievements and failures. For the record, I'm not a Dayton freak. I just realize that it works. And for the Balkans, especially those areas that have been mercilessly "helped" by international powers, we have to take what we can get :)

"Sorry, I was completly unaware of this. I'll chose a different user name in the future." (The second Mike)

-- Not a problem at all. Again, I largely agree with your take on similar subjects. Thanks!

Thanks DimTuc, this was one of the best reads I had recently.
Do not agree with you on certain things but what you wrote is a relief to read compared with what we have to.

Does Merkel remember HITLER? Seems to me she is acting a bit like him.

editing the former sent becuase some typing mistakes)
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:56)
The problem with your synapsis is that you by far exaggerate the importance of Serbia. Should Serbia fail to enter the EU it would be a bridge that goes no where.
Russia has a very good relationship with Germany so it needs no "new" bridges to the EU. Serbs somehow think that since the southstream (if realized) flowing through Serbia is a pivotable junction. It is just a insignificant link in the chain. Russia worked out deals with each country along the route and Serbia played no part.
Inside EU Serbia could be an additional bridge (not the only or main one) but outside of the EU, Russia has better connections to the EU without deviating through Serbia. China?? China has established itself with all the European countries and in no way needs a travel agent. Besides just because China agrees with Serbia that Kosovo independence should be negotiated with Serbia instead of UDI does not in any way mean a joining at the hip?? While Serbs constantly wave the China veto in the air, China has never said it would utilize its power should an issue involving Kosovo and Serbia were to materialize.
There are many issues that come through the UNSC that permanent members may not agree with but they reserve their veto powers and do not use them that often.
Some other errors in your post:
2.- they signed UN 1244 that ensured Serbia Integrity (first error no where will you find that it ensures or guarantees Serbia or Yugoslavian territorial integrity[I assume this is the integrity you mean] it spells out very point blank that Kosovo status was to be resolved) however they recognised Kosovo as independent country without trying first to reach any agreement with Serbia (second huge error, did you miss the talks organized by UN mediated by Ahtissari? then the redo by the troika? of which it was determined the talks that Serbia constantly boycotted, walked out of, and simply refused to compromise, and were determined that they would not yield any kind of compromise.)
".- they have been saying that Kosovo is not a EU condition, just Hague cooperation; but now, once the later is accomplished, it seems that yes, it is a new precondition."
You hear exactly what has been said form day one. Some have always said that Serbia would have to recognize Kosovo, some have said it is not a precondition but Serbia will have to exhibit "good neighborly relations" with Kosovo. The same speeches being delivered today, NO CHANGE!
But it is true Serbs in Serbia will have to choose:
EU without Kosovo or
No EU without Kosovo.

It becomes now very clear that Serbia will have to decide: EU or Kosovo,
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:22)

I like the sun so much… So now I’m front of the choice of living in the Earth or the Sun



If Serbia choose EU, the big losers of all this will be Kosovo Serbians. They will have to swallow that their land is not more Serbia but a new state artificially created and supported by those top powers. They very know they made a big mistake recognising Kosovo so quickly, creating a bigger problem but, of course, they cannot recognise it and what they want is that this mistake is paid by Serbia and the Kosovo Serbians...second class.
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:22)

Western powers don’t think they made a big mistake recognizing Kosovo. It allowed them to reduce troops to just a few thousands so they didn’t have to spend their taxpayers’ money for tens of thousands of troops that would have been needed to re-integrate 2M Kosovo Albanians into Serbia against their will. It’s pure economics my friend.
Serbia could choose Kosovo
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:22)

Yeah, Serbia could choose Kosovo, and I could choose to live in the Sun.



but in this clever way: apply all the economic, political and law changes and improvements required as it is would apply for EU candidacy, and finally request just a similar EU status that have Norway, and be focussed in a good dry port in the middle of the Balkans and a bridge between Russia , China and other east powers and EU.
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:22)

And why on earth does EU, Russia and China need an insignificant country to act as a bridge ?! They are very able to speak directly to each-other



I think that dignity is first and EU have been demonstrating that they don't respect Serbia at all (independently of the good words). Remember: 1.- they bombed Serbia 12 years ago, 2.- they signed UN 1244 that ensured Serbia Integrity however that recognised Kosovo as independent
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:22)

Yes, because Kosovo’s UDI was in accordance with the 1244 that they signed.



without trying first to reach any agreement with Serbia (why do they say solemnly that now the most important thing is the dialogue between Serbia and Kosovo, but they didn't apply it with Serbia when Kosovo independence ?)
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:22)

because 1244 did not require an agreement on the status.



, 3.- they have been saying that Kosovo is not a EU condition, just Hague cooperation; but now, once the former is accomplished, it seems that yes, it is a new precondition.. (playing with Serbia),... and don't speak about the hypocrite/cynical top EU powers' opinion regarding the cases of Kosovo and those of Abjasia and South Ossetia
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:22)

Well, the EU thinks that the UDI of Abhazia and SO is illegal under international law. You are free though to ask the ICJ about that. I’m sure that if ICJ finds that their UDI is in accordance with international law, EU will recognize them.

"..I have absolutely no idea how the severe economic & political problems in Kosovo can be solved."

Mike,

Don't worry! A solution will be like those used in Greece or any other potential EU bnkrupt country. For me is important that Serbia should NOT STIR UP the waters in Kosovo and in Balkans as it is usually doing. No one will be unpunished in Kosovo when it comes to corruption and crime but it will take some time to get to the bottom.

Look how developed albanian countries are. Even being located near sea, they can't establish any form of international tourism. Or simply put: No one dares to go there. Ethnic hatred towards non-albanians, ever heard of? Known to some, felt and ignored by others. Germany deeply supports the albanian ideas. Doin' it since long time. No surprise here. Germany's balkan politics (and in general) are the biggest threats and hold towards collective progress.

O.K., we know Merkel's visions for Serbia. However, I'd really like to know how she sees Kosovo's future.

Let's just step a littlebit further into the future. Let's imagine a flourishing Serbia with EU-like political structures. A Serbia that's oficially or at least unofficially recognising an independent Kosovo. All this is very well possible.

At the same time I have absolutely no idea how the severe economic & political problems in Kosovo can be solved. It's nowhere near EU membership. Does Merkel imagine an isolated slum surrounded by the EU & Albania (which - despite of its poor economy - is far more developed than Kosovo)?

Germans can demand little as the EU is BROKE – this is just utter crap. The only people that feel any pressure are the likes of Tadic et al because they are being paid to achieve certain goals but are getting nowhere fast.
German media are full of it as usual. It sell newspapers.

"Ethnic hatred towards non-albanians...."
Wale

Indeed! Minorities in Albania are not allowed to be minorities. Instead they are forcefully integrated into mainstream albanian culture.
The following links shows what happened to serbs and montenegrins in Albania.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShcFMw4jhLw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAAzHFi6IUA

It becomes now very clear that Serbia will have to decide: EU or Kosovo, independently of all the nonsense that some EP raporteur can be saying. The top powers of EU are now clearly blackmailing Serbia. This is the pure and very sad reality
If Serbia choose EU, the big losers of all this will be Kosovo Serbians. They will have to swallow that their land is not more Serbia but a new state artificially created and supported by those top powers. They very know they made a big mistake recognising Kosovo so quickly, creating a bigger problem but, of course, they cannot recognise it and what they want is that this mistake is paid by Serbia and the Kosovo Serbians...second class.
Serbia could choose Kosovo, but in this clever way: apply all the economic, political and law changes and improvements required as it is would apply for EU candidacy, and finally request just a similar EU status that have Norway, and be focussed in a good dry port in the middle of the Balkans and a bridge between Russia , China and other east powers and EU. This means a very big effort and mind changes in Serbia , but if it works with Norway, Switzerland in a way, it can work for Serbia as well. EU is not the first and end of the World.
I think that dignity is first and EU have been demonstrating that they don't respect Serbia at all (independently of the good words). Remember: 1.- they bombed Serbia 12 years ago, 2.- they signed UN 1244 that ensured Serbia Integrity however that recognised Kosovo as independent without trying first to reach any agreement with Serbia (why do they say solemnly that now the most important thing is the dialogue between Serbia and Kosovo, but they didn't apply it with Serbia when Kosovo independence ?), 3.- they have been saying that Kosovo is not a EU condition, just Hague cooperation; but now, once the former is accomplished, it seems that yes, it is a new precondition.. (playing with Serbia),... and don't speak about the hypocrite/cynical top EU powers' opinion regarding the cases of Kosovo and those of Abjasia and South Ossetia
In any case, this is the situation and it is the people of Serbia who have to choose.
Regards

"Or simply put: No one dares to go there. Ethnic hatred towards non-albanians, ever heard of?"

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. For western tourists, Albania is a perfectly safe country. Western visitors are treated with great hospitality. I experienced this firsthand.

The major obastacle for package tourist developments in Albania is the airport situation. All seaside resorts close to Tirana are full off extremely ugly concrete blocks, particularly Durres - which also has a bad water quality. However, in the south, there's plenty of space for new hotels. Unfortunately the journey by bus from Tirana takes several hours. The same applies if you fly to Korfu as you have to take a ferry to Saranda first. Once again, it'd take several hours. This would be unacceptable for most package tourists.

However, negotiations for a new airport at Saranda are now finally making progress. This means the tourist situation in Albania could change in a few years.

"Indeed! Minorities in Albania are not allowed to be minorities. Instead they are forcefully integrated into mainstream albanian culture.
The following links shows what happened to serbs and montenegrins in Albania.

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(MikeC,"

MikeC,
I don't expect anything but rubbish from you.
FYI, Serbs & Montenegrins enjoyed broader rights in Albania than Albanians themselves.

Look up the region knows as 'Vraka'.
Do some research.

Ok Germany's stand on Serbia's EU accession is Clear.
So Serbia Should answer them a Big NO.
(mick, 21 August 2011 21:46)

Nothing is clear because Merkel changed her political stance as it did suit her. Don't forget: she was a pretty active member of FDJ and she met her (German) husband in Leningrad.

Later she became a daughter of a prosecuted and marginalized pastor.

She is a very clever politician who survived major ups and downs. So nothing we can predict, except that historically the West German politics was wary of Jugoslavija and the East German politics really hated it (but had to pretend to be a friend).

And before we had good 700 years when every 50 or so years German rulers tried to do maximal damage to the area. So my guess is, Germany is not a big friend of Serbia historically.

Mike (original one), very good to have you and your intelligent comments back. I figured the other Mike was different, though bin his own way he has also tended to be a moderating influence around here.
Some comments:

“But we need to also pay attention to one other thing: even though international figures have all but ruled out a change in borders because of some precedent that would be set by rewarding ethnocentric boundaries that for whatever reason was lost of them when they sanctioned it in 2008”

Let’s not forget that for most of the period 1999-2008, nearly all western governments, including the US, were opposed to independence precisely for that reason, and they were all even more solidly opposed to it before 1999. We need to understand that the actions of Milosevic and co had a lot to do with Serbia losing it. Still the west let Kosovo stew without any sort of status for a decade under a UN colonial authority in order to avoid the obvious. That’s why, when they finally figured there was no alternative, they made sure the new Ahtisaari state had no ethnic denoters whatsoever, an ethnic-neutral EU flag, and massive autonomy for the Serb regions in the form of the decentralized municipalities, with links to Serbia, minority quotas in every part of the state apparatus etc. I fully agree it is not good enough for the Serbs, because of the *actual workings* of it and the fact that the Serbs have very good reason to distrust an Albanian majority state of any kind, given the situation on the ground since 1999, but we also need to understand that the west is a little more consistent than you give them credit for (not that I am usually any kind of lawyer for them, but..)

“we cannot overlook what the internal configuration of Kosovo Province will look like. Ok, the north remains where it is, but no one can realistically say it will not be given some form of substantial autonomy or - dare we use the word - "special status".”

Absolutely. It is internally that Serbia should be looking at. Not only because of what the west says, but also because of what is best for the Serbs in the rest of Kosovo, not just the north. I can well understand the northern Serbs not wanting a border between themselves and Serbia, which they consider their country. Any attempt by Thaci to use force to change that should be condemned. However, in itself, there is a frankly selfish element to this. The northern Serbs have never been oppressed by Pristina since 1999, and even if they accepted the Ahtisaari status they would still effectively rule themselves. They gain/lose nothing really. But if an international border were drawn at the Ibar, the Serbs in the southern enclaves would be far more isolated – what is now their cultural, political, educational centre inside Kosovo – N. Mitrovica – would be cut out. Elevating the status of the northern Serb region in an Ahtisaari-plus style is the best compromise for all involved. I hope that Pristina, Belgrade and N. Mitrovica see sense on this. Personally I have always believed that Kosovo should be completely independent but transformed into a kind of federation of a large Albanian unit and a small Serb unit, also giving Albanians more freedom in a sense. “Special status” or autonomy of a higher form than in Ahtisaari would be a similar thing.

“To this, "autonomy" should also be extended to the Serb-dominant municipalities throughout the rest of Kosovo, which seems to be happening both through decentralization as well as Albanian indifference to what happens in Gracanica. Again, having been there, I can tell you that Gracanica is as much outside Pristina's immediate grip as Mitrovica.”

Yes Mike, but this begs the question: if “it is happening” under the Ahtisaari Plan’s very provisions for Serb autonomy, then really what is the fundamental objection to Ahtisaari-style Kosovar independence? That is what many Albanians might rightfully ask. I will answer that practice has not lived up to theory in many respects, especially the areas of security and justice, in particular busting people for at least some of the more terrible crimes since 1999 (the 14 farmers, the Gorazdevac children etc). Thus, something “higher” still without full international partition might be the answer, especially in the special circumstances of the north.

“Daytonize Kosovo and be done with this never ending soap opera.”

From my comments I of course agree with this, much as I (unlike you) hate Dayton. But what was not good for a multi-ethnic society like Bosnia perhaps is good for a society that was never multi-ethnic, like Kosovo (or Cyprus). And even if you argue that after the actual war in Bosnia, even the multi-ethnic aspects were destroyed, hatreds intensified, so some kind of ethnic-based federation became necessary in Bosnia, there was still no justice in the Serbian 30% of the population getting 50% of the land, recognising ethnic cleansing (Christ, Holbrooke even made sure that Srebrenica was included in RS after what had just happened!), a victory for Serb military superiority and aggression. Whereas that is completely different again in Kosovo where Serbia was defeated, the serbs have suffered since 1999, and the north constitutes about 10% of Kosovo, about the same as the actual Serb population.

Serbia will alway be serbia and will be reletivly happy in the EU with or without Kosovo. The problem is Kosovo ...
It is clear Germany cannot step back anymore on Kosovo.

Wale's comments were refering to tourism in Albania. Now I certainly wouldn't recommend Albania as as perfect tourist destination to Serbs. Neither would I recommend Serbia to Albanian tourists.

However, for tourists from North America, western Europe or other western countries, Albania's a perfectly safe place.

editing the former sent becuase some typing mistakes)
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:56)
The problem with your synapsis is that you by far exaggerate the importance of Serbia. Should Serbia fail to enter the EU it would be a bridge that goes no where.
Russia has a very good relationship with Germany so it needs no "new" bridges to the EU. Serbs somehow think that since the southstream (if realized) flowing through Serbia is a pivotable junction. It is just a insignificant link in the chain. Russia worked out deals with each country along the route and Serbia played no part.
Inside EU Serbia could be an additional bridge (not the only or main one) but outside of the EU, Russia has better connections to the EU without deviating through Serbia. China?? China has established itself with all the European countries and in no way needs a travel agent. Besides just because China agrees with Serbia that Kosovo independence should be negotiated with Serbia instead of UDI does not in any way mean a joining at the hip?? While Serbs constantly wave the China veto in the air, China has never said it would utilize its power should an issue involving Kosovo and Serbia were to materialize.
There are many issues that come through the UNSC that permanent members may not agree with but they reserve their veto powers and do not use them that often.
Some other errors in your post:
2.- they signed UN 1244 that ensured Serbia Integrity (first error no where will you find that it ensures or guarantees Serbia or Yugoslavian territorial integrity[I assume this is the integrity you mean] it spells out very point blank that Kosovo status was to be resolved) however they recognised Kosovo as independent country without trying first to reach any agreement with Serbia (second huge error, did you miss the talks organized by UN mediated by Ahtissari? then the redo by the troika? of which it was determined the talks that Serbia constantly boycotted, walked out of, and simply refused to compromise, and were determined that they would not yield any kind of compromise.)
".- they have been saying that Kosovo is not a EU condition, just Hague cooperation; but now, once the later is accomplished, it seems that yes, it is a new precondition."
You hear exactly what has been said form day one. Some have always said that Serbia would have to recognize Kosovo, some have said it is not a precondition but Serbia will have to exhibit "good neighborly relations" with Kosovo. The same speeches being delivered today, NO CHANGE!
But it is true Serbs in Serbia will have to choose:
EU without Kosovo or
No EU without Kosovo.

I more or less agree with Mick's analysis of Merkel. She's a pragmatic technocrat and frequently changes her mind. In recent years, she first had the center-left Social Democrats as her coalition partner and then started a coalition with the neoliberal Free Democrats. As this party has become highly unpopular in Germany, she's now considering a coalition with the ecologically orientated, center-left Green Party after the elections in 2013.

However, I believe pragmatism is the keyword when it comes to the relationships with Serbia. The country's economically interesting and therefore, she now regards it as a friend.

The main reason why she's asking for a recognition of Kosovo's probably just as pragmatic: German troops in the region cost a lot of money. Therefore, she wants relative stability in the region so the German Army can be pulled out eventually. I'm sure Germany will sell weapons to both the Serbian and the Kosovo Army afterwards.

It becomes now very clear that Serbia will have to decide: EU or Kosovo, independently of all the nonsense that some EP raporteur can be saying. The top powers o f EU are now clearly blackmailing Serbia. This is the pure reality. Although sad.
If Serbia choose EU, the big losers of all this will be Kosovo Serbians. They will have to swallow that their land is not more Serbia but a new state artificially created and supported by those top powers. These know that they made a big mistake recognising Kosovo so quickly, creating a bigger problem but, of course, they cannot recognise it and what they want is that this mistake is paid by Serbia and the Kosovo Serbians...second class.
Serbia could choose Kosovo, but in this clever way: apply all the economic, political and law changes and improvements required as it is would apply for EU candidacy, and finally request just a similar EU status that have Norway, and be focussed in a good dry port in the middle of the Balkans and a bridge between Russia , China and other east powers and EU. This means a very big effort and mind changes in Serbia , but if it works with Norway, Switzerland in a way, it can work for Serbia as well. EU is not the first and end of the World.
I think that dignity is first and EU have been demonstrating that they don't respect Serbia at all (independently of the good words). Remember: 1.- they bombed Serbia 12 years ago, 2.- they signed UN 1244 that ensured Serbia Integrity however they recognised Kosovo as independent country without trying first to reach any agreement with Serbia (why do they say solemnly that now the most important thing is the dialogue between Serbia and Kosovo, but they didn't apply it with Serbia when Kosovo independence ?), 3.- they have been saying that Kosovo is not a EU condition, just Hague cooperation; but now, once the later is accomplished, it seems that yes, it is a new precondition.. (playing with Serbia),... and don't speak about the hypocrite/cynical top EU powers' opinion regarding the cases of Kosovo and those of Abjasia and South Ossetia
In any case, this is the situation and it is the people of Serbia who have to choose.
Regards

(editing the former sent becuase some typing mistakes)

According to the German media, Belgrade is expected to recognize Kosovo “in the long run” and such request can also appear during Serbia’s EU accession process.

Ok Germany's stand on Serbia's EU accession is Clear.
So Serbia Should answer them a Big NO.

Germany would never give the Albanians a piece of their land, just because the Albanians terrorists killed and raped the Germans until the Germans had to run away and let the Albanians take control of their land. Suddenly there would be millions of Albanians in one big part of Germany and the Albanians would declare independence. Will the EU back the Albanians when they take over a part of Germany?
It is well documented that the EU was formed by the ex Nazi Germany regime. If Serbia allowed itself to be extorted by the EU, it would practically break down into a civil war and a war in Kosovo, of which would spill over into the neighbouring countries. Serbia's history clearly shows that it would never betray it's dignity to become part of the EU. Russia and China will capitalise in the failure of Serbia joining the EU, so one way or another Serbia will rise again. Kosovo will not be successful in joining the EU because the criminal Albanians who took control of Kosovo will declare war with Serbia when they fail to take control of the north.
Serbia cannot be held accountable for defending itself against the Albanians when they start a war with Serbia. Russia and China will back Serbia and KFOR and EULUX will have to protect the Serbians.

Daytonize Kosovo and be done with this neverending soap opera. Most of my friends in Belgrade were sick of hearing about it.
(The original Mike, 21 August 2011 18:27)

Pretty much the only solution, i.e. who wants does report to Tirana, who wants does report to Pristina, who wants does report to Podgorica, who wants does report to Belgrade - and Thaçi & co. does report to jail guards.

Well well, things have certainly gotten interesting since I was here last. I spent two weeks in Belgrade and another two weeks (mercifully) avoiding chat sites like this. As usual, the same rhetorical doublespeak from Germany and other EU officials higher up on the diplomatic food chain keeps the rest of us guessing as to what exactly Serbia is required to fulfill for at least the next few months.

The issue of whether Serbia will have to recognize its wayward southern province has never been explicitly stated but also never completely denied either. This talk about "we don't expect Serbia to recognize but we sort of expect them to do so by the end of the negotiating process, but then again we don't know what the 5 Naysayers will do so we're not sure what policy will be given to Belgrade" is a convenient - yet convoluted - way of saying "I have no idea how this is going to play out but make nice with each other in the meantime." Easier said than done considering the extremist statements coming from Pristina of late.

But we need to also pay attention to one other thing: even though international figures have all but ruled out a change in borders because of some precedent that would be set by rewarding ethnocentric boundaries that for whatever reason was lost of them when they sanctioned it in 2008, we cannot overlook what the internal configuration of Kosovo Province will look like. Ok, the north remains where it is, but no one can realistically say it will not be given some form of substantial autonomy or - dare we use the word - "special status". To this, "autonomy" should also be extended to the Serb-dominant municipalities throughout the rest of Kosovo, which seems to be happening both through decentralization as well as Albanian indifference to what happens in Gracanica. Again, having been there, I can tell you that Gracanica is as much outside Pristina's immediate grip as Mitrovica. And even more outside its interest. By that point, who really cares whether Kosovo is a "part of Serbia" or not, and I suspect that if the diplomatic stalemate continues, Germany and others will be happy to at least acknowledge stability was reached.

The next question is what to do with Kosovo's own EU ascension, which by most official assertions is far far away.

I note again that there's another user going by "Mike". Again I don't disagree what what he's writing, but I, who've been here for years, have never been to Albania. I'd once again kindly ask that usernames be differentiated, but whatever. Mike is a common name and I'm only writing this for anyone who needs/wants to attribute credit/criticism where appropriate.

Daytonize Kosovo and be done with this neverending soap opera. Most of my friends in Belgrade were sick of hearing about it.

By forcing Serbia to recognize Kosovo its just pushing Serbia further and further east (To Russia) yet they claim that Serbias path is towards the EU, theyre so hypocritical

Maybe they can give mrs. Merkel a replica of the results of the Congres of Berlin of 1878. It might be a nice way to remember her that this is not the first time the "big powers" attempt to settle the Balkans once and for all without much local input.

Could not agree with you more Mick. It is about time that we stop conceding our rights in Kosovo and concentrate more on protecting our country and economy...

"Sorry, I was completly unaware of this. I'll chose a different user name in the future." (The second Mike)

-- Not a problem at all. Again, I largely agree with your take on similar subjects. Thanks!

"Indeed! Minorities in Albania are not allowed to be minorities. Instead they are forcefully integrated into mainstream albanian culture.
The following links shows what happened to serbs and montenegrins in Albania."

Rather like France. There is no official racism there because if you have french citizenship, then you are considered french. But, if you are of north african origin, regardless of whether you are born in France or not, regardless of the quality of your resume, you are far less likely to get an interview, let alone the job. As it is not an 'official problem', the authorities can pretend it doesn't exist. OTOH they are generally ignored and kept in ghettos which explode in violence every so often (-2y Clichy-sous-Bois) The Front National has even penetrated Bretagne for the first time this year.

As for albanian infrastructure, the Kuwaiti's recently paid for a new airport in northern albania, the Emir or his representative there to open it. Gulf arabs do not give hundreds of millions for nothing and in return expect their form of islam to be adopted, normally through their imams at new, Kuwaiti built mosques. The saudis built the giant mosque in Sarajevo and have their man there. Time to learn the Koran backwards.

"I note again that there's another user going by "Mike". Again I don't disagree what what he's writing, but I, who've been here for years, have never been to Albania. I'd once again kindly ask that usernames be differentiated, but whatever. Mike is a common name and I'm only writing this for anyone who needs/wants to attribute credit/criticism where appropriate. "

Sorry, I was completly unaware of this. I'll chose a different user name in the future.

Thanks for the comments/points DimTuc. One of the things I noted when I was in Belgrade concerning this latest escapade in Kosovo were three things:

1. The readiness of Belgrade to find some solution
2. The readiness of local elites in northern Kosovo to chart their own path
3. The noted silence of local elites in Gracanica

There really does seem to be a power play between Belgrade and Mitrovica and credit should go to Stefanovic for finding some narrow window of common ground between them and KFOR. This could have gone down a lot uglier than it did, and the burning of the checkpoints (which were largely cosmetic beforehand, having passed through them myself without even needing to stop the car) was, in my opinion, a move by northern elites to shift attention away from both Pristina *and* Belgrade and onto them.

And they succeeded since we see two things happening:

1. Current issues surrounding Kosovo are now almost exclusively shaped around the future of the north, not the rest of Kosovo
2. Local leaders are having more of a say over their immediate future than Belgrade, and Pristina is nowhere to be seen, heard, or even considered.

This is pretty strategic in my book since it sets up the possibility for a compromise solution that the international community will support in favor of northern autonomy (under the rationale of borders being finalized), but may actually benefit northern elites too (under the rationale of not having to look to Belgrade for future approval of day to day activities).

Now as far as the rest of Serb-populated areas in Kosovo are concerned - and here I know mostly Gracanica and Orahovac (Velika Hoca), I can only say that self-management is in fact working. Whether this is because of the Ahtisaari Plan or simply because Pristina is not interested in them (I think its the latter), still challenges the idea that Serbs are endangered in Kosovo as a community. Let me also note that Visoki Decani monastery is completing a new dormitory which plans to house 40 additional monks that are slated to move there in the next two years. I'd even go so far as to say that Gracanica Serbs are probably more angry at Belgrade for effectively abandoning them than Pristina for (thankfully) ignoring them. And Velika Hoca has actually come under criticism by local Albanian elites who note they have *more* self-management rights than the local Albanian community. It's little more than 1000 Serbs but they're good at bringing in NGO funding.

Kosovo is just a Hell of a lot more complex than many would like to believe, but I really think the best way forward now is pushing through decentralization and letting local elites take responsibility for their own achievements and failures. For the record, I'm not a Dayton freak. I just realize that it works. And for the Balkans, especially those areas that have been mercilessly "helped" by international powers, we have to take what we can get :)

Thanks DimTuc, this was one of the best reads I had recently.
Do not agree with you on certain things but what you wrote is a relief to read compared with what we have to.

Does Merkel remember HITLER? Seems to me she is acting a bit like him.

It becomes now very clear that Serbia will have to decide: EU or Kosovo,
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:22)

I like the sun so much… So now I’m front of the choice of living in the Earth or the Sun



If Serbia choose EU, the big losers of all this will be Kosovo Serbians. They will have to swallow that their land is not more Serbia but a new state artificially created and supported by those top powers. They very know they made a big mistake recognising Kosovo so quickly, creating a bigger problem but, of course, they cannot recognise it and what they want is that this mistake is paid by Serbia and the Kosovo Serbians...second class.
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:22)

Western powers don’t think they made a big mistake recognizing Kosovo. It allowed them to reduce troops to just a few thousands so they didn’t have to spend their taxpayers’ money for tens of thousands of troops that would have been needed to re-integrate 2M Kosovo Albanians into Serbia against their will. It’s pure economics my friend.
Serbia could choose Kosovo
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:22)

Yeah, Serbia could choose Kosovo, and I could choose to live in the Sun.



but in this clever way: apply all the economic, political and law changes and improvements required as it is would apply for EU candidacy, and finally request just a similar EU status that have Norway, and be focussed in a good dry port in the middle of the Balkans and a bridge between Russia , China and other east powers and EU.
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:22)

And why on earth does EU, Russia and China need an insignificant country to act as a bridge ?! They are very able to speak directly to each-other



I think that dignity is first and EU have been demonstrating that they don't respect Serbia at all (independently of the good words). Remember: 1.- they bombed Serbia 12 years ago, 2.- they signed UN 1244 that ensured Serbia Integrity however that recognised Kosovo as independent
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:22)

Yes, because Kosovo’s UDI was in accordance with the 1244 that they signed.



without trying first to reach any agreement with Serbia (why do they say solemnly that now the most important thing is the dialogue between Serbia and Kosovo, but they didn't apply it with Serbia when Kosovo independence ?)
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:22)

because 1244 did not require an agreement on the status.



, 3.- they have been saying that Kosovo is not a EU condition, just Hague cooperation; but now, once the former is accomplished, it seems that yes, it is a new precondition.. (playing with Serbia),... and don't speak about the hypocrite/cynical top EU powers' opinion regarding the cases of Kosovo and those of Abjasia and South Ossetia
(ARR, 21 August 2011 13:22)

Well, the EU thinks that the UDI of Abhazia and SO is illegal under international law. You are free though to ask the ICJ about that. I’m sure that if ICJ finds that their UDI is in accordance with international law, EU will recognize them.