3) Russia has enough vested interest in Serbia
(Ataman, 20 August 2011 03:46)
Exactly, Russia will veto as long as its interests align with Serbias. When they won't they will not have any sruples to dump Serbia as they did in 1999 with resolution 1244. There are no friendships in international relations; only interests
Thing is... when kosovo gets around to trying, A veto by russia would mean going against a clear majority, Domestic PR is one thing, but they have to balance International PR as well. A veto like this costs political capital. No point in winning a size game when you slap the faces of all the little folks you were trying to impress.
not much else serbia can offter as russia already fleeced serbia of its energy future in exchange for lipservice... serbia is wearing thin the "neutrality" game, as long as it is seriously looking at its own interests and a european future...its picked a side. and russia has its own georgia theft that serbia has never jumped up at supporting.
China couldnt really care less about serbia. They will either abstain and spin it... or really take advantage and spittle out a position of being for "peace"
as it is... serbia already embarrassed them both, along with the handfull of countries really into the whole anti- american imperialist scheme when they all watched serbias failure and capitulation at the un with is icj scheme.
the irony is... with such a crossection of recognitions kosovo already has... by the time it comes, the only solid group left that a veto... for the sake of being "anti-american imperialism" will appeal to, would be islamic fundamentalists... and hugo chavez.
The only recognition that can make the province of Kosovo a state is Serbia's.... and that will never happen.
(Mike, 19 August 2011 20:55)
If you are speaking of UN membership... never is a long time. I know, I know... mother russia and china will save the day with their veto.
but never an explanation from you guys as to why they would do so...
The lip service today is free. But a veto would cost.
when kosovo gets around to even applying, it would have a majority of un members already recognizing. Why would they use up political capital of their own nations to fly in the face of a majority of nations for no gain whatsoever?
I mean really... why? serbian thanks? they are nice that way? politicians virtue?
good luck with that.
or how likely would it be for them to send a "strong" message and simply abstain? All the p.r. and none of the cost.
What we can all agree on, is that its other nations interests and concerns that would need to be addressed, serbia's recognition or non-recognition is in end... irrelevant.
Ataman, why don't you give up and join the winner's club? No use to fight till the end, and for what?
(miri, 20 August 2011 21:39)
Miri,
I am more-less recognition-neutral for many-many reasons. There is no fight on my side. There is no winner's club by the way - at least close to me. The only one I know about is alien enough for me as much as it is for you. And neither you or me is pleased with it.
They are the ones I am quite uncomfortable with, regardless their Kosovo non-recognition. But they are the winners long-term and I refuse to join them so far.
This is a very different game than people think and quite some folks in the States are NOT very pleased with recognitions.
(Ataman, 20 August 2011 00:40)
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Ataman, why don't you give up and join the winner's club? No use to fight till the end, and for what?
Oh ps: Your lovely America is already showing signs of losing power and it's only a matter of time before the power shift moves and you'll have noone to protect you then :)
(trizo1, 20 August 2011 09:55)
The only recognition that can make the province of Kosovo a state is Serbia's.... and that will never happen.
(Mike, 19 August 2011 20:55)
Serbian Government does not share your point of view Mike. If what you say is true then why little Vuk has spent taxpayer's money traveling around the world to include these CARICOM states? There would be no need to worry if Serbia's recognition would be mandatory for Kosovo to become a state.
Your people are starving and the only people recognising you are being bribed to do so. Your government do nothing for the people in your country and only do things for their own wealth and fortune.
Stop burning and desecrating our churches (this is AGAINST YOUR religion)
Stop saying Kosovo will never be Serbian...we battled the Turks for 500 years+- and still have our Serbia. You guys all converted to Islam after the Turks occupied Albania.
I would be embarrassed if I knew that my forefathers were from another religion but I converted because we were not strong enough to resist.
Serbians are a much stronger race than yours and you will never take our Kosovo from us.
One day in the future we will again populate Kosovo and build beautiful monasteries and churches that will survive the years to come.
History repeats itself and your history is ambiguous, you don't even really know who or what you are!
Zivela Srbija i Kosovo Je Srce Srbije!!
Oh ps: Your lovely America is already showing signs of losing power and it's only a matter of time before the power shift moves and you'll have noone to protect you then :)
Once a majority of the world's countries recognize Kosovo, they'll simply copy the Chinese and abstain.
(Gustave, 19 August 2011 20:51)
This is the point where I disagree with you and this is the only serious hope of Albanians.
The reason Russia would veto:
1) They have nothing to gain NOT to veto. Unless very serious incentive is given by the West... and it has to be a very serious money. (Where should it came from?)
2) Not vetoing would mean serious domestic PR issues.
3) Russia has enough vested interest in Serbia
4) Other reasons, geo-political, military or just merely adrenaline - hormonal one (size of Russian "tool" versus the size of American "tool" used to make babies. After all, that size may not matter for ladies - but in military circles it does matter to show the extra inches)
Same by the way with Chinese, except that they have Tibet and Taiwan - but have at this moment less vested interest in Serbia. So two vetoes are IMO granted - and only one is enough.
Saint-Lucia recognized Kosovo today.One of Jeremic's talking points "More than half of UN members don't recognize Kosovo" will be null by the end of the year or maybe earlier.
(Mark, 19 August 2011 18:43)
It is really tremendous news, it is almost overwhelming. how many times have they cursed us, belittled us, mocked us, lied about us, laughed, threatening, "You'll NEVER get more than 20... than 30... never more than 50... you'll NEVER touch 70... now we are at over 80! thank you very much.
it seems the more they've tried to hurt and torment the people of kosova, the more it has come back to haunt them. that is what we call karma...
soon we will have over 100, soon we will have observer status at UN, and move on and on.
as always, i congratulate the people of Kosova, and all of our frnds and allies around the world. i don't give a sh-t about yr ethnicity, yr religion, or lack thereof. just what kind of person you are.
You see still see that Kosovo as an independent country will not be allowed into the EU because of China and Russia.
(Ari Gold, 19 August 2011 23:13)
Of course, when the EU changes its treaties and adds an article saying “no new member can be admitted to the EU without the approval of China and Russia”. Let us know when this change in the EU treaties happens.
....meanwhile the money you spent on these Carribean recognition's could have went to your desperate population as they are cold, hungry and rarely have electricity and clean water. But that doesn't matter, only stupid custom stamps and phony recognition's that will do what for your people?
(Ari Gold, 19 August 2011 23:13)
I’m sure Kosovo appreciates your genuine concern about their well being !
CARICOM promised Hyseni that they would all eventually - when the time was right - recognize Kosovo all together, but Hillary tried and wasn't able to get them to move before they were ready. I wonder what changed. Or maybe it's just a case of "vremya i trud, vse pereplut."
(Amer, 19 August 2011 21:12)
The last sentence is much closer to the truth than you think, was unintended way a bulls' eye. But not without a typo, as you see. Ёжик гебишный, путинский и газпромовый. (Just to make you know who wrote it).
....meanwhile the money you spent on these Carribean recognition's could have went to your desperate population as they are cold, hungry and rarely have electricity and clean water.
But that doesn't matter, only stupid custom stamps and phony recognition's that will do what for your people?
(Ari Gold, 19 August 2011 23:13)
Ari, you underestimate Mother. ;-)
This is a very different game than people think and quite some folks in the States are NOT very pleased with recognitions.
You see still see that Kosovo as an independent country will not be allowed into the EU because of China and Russia.
These recognition's are only worth something if Serbia realistically wanted to rule over all of Kosovo which it does not. Now only in name Serbia will say Kosovo is there's for diplomatic reasons.
When the Western empire finally spreads its self too thin or completely succumbs to its own weight, things will be different.
Until then, Kosovo is a hell hole and Serbia should have no need to want to rule Albanians. They thrive off living in filth.
They love Kosovo so much that they throw trash on the street and it smells everywhere you go.
....meanwhile the money you spent on these Carribean recognition's could have went to your desperate population as they are cold, hungry and rarely have electricity and clean water.
But that doesn't matter, only stupid custom stamps and phony recognition's that will do what for your people?
Demi, you are deluding yourself if you think that 48% of the UN members do not recognise Serbia in her internationally recognised borders. Serbia is a UN member and each UN member is fully recognised by all other UN members.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
Who said that ? For example, Serbia may not like Palestine and may not recognize it as a state. Palestine may still be admitted to the UN regardless of Serbia's vote, but still Serbia will not have an obligation to recognize Palestine.
So Serbia is recognised 100% and currently Kosovo sits at 48%.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
Of course, but only 52% recognize Serbia with Kosovo
I know this is hard for you to accept but the game is played this way. It does not matter what percentage Kosovo holds if there is no will in the international community to accept it as an equal member.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
The will in the international community is the will of the majority of the community, not the will of Serbia.
As it stands, now and for foreseeable future, Kosovo is not welcomed in any meaningful international organisation.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
The meaningful organizations Kosovo has applied to become a member (WB and IMF) have addmited it. The other meaningful organization is the UN. When Kosovo applies we will see if it's admitted or not. UN has not said that it does not welcome Kosovo. It hasn't had a chance to say that yet.
Even your friends EU do not want you.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
No such statement from the EU
Unless you make radical changes internally and towards Serbia I am afraid Kosovo is doomed.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
What changes ? Accept the Serbia offer of more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence under which Kosovo can never become a UN member ?!
(got matches, 19 August 2011 19:45) - Russia doesn't have to recognize, it merely has to abstain in the SC and let the vote go to the General Assembly. Or Kosovo could go directly to the GA (via its sponsor countries) and get observer status with only 50% + 1 of the votes, which would make life simpler for its diplomats to work on getting the 2/3 needed for full membership.
Once Kosovo is recognized by a majority of countries, the remaining countries are going to be the ones who will have to explain why they do not recognize it. Let the non-recognizers start explaining why parts of their own populations would like to escape their rule.
CARICOM promised Hyseni that they would all eventually - when the time was right - recognize Kosovo all together, but Hillary tried and wasn't able to get them to move before they were ready. I wonder what changed. Or maybe it's just a case of "vremya i trud, vse pereplut."
With 128 votes the General Assembly of UN can recommend that the Security Council recognizes Kosovo. Russia holds the veto rights and might stop it.What will happen?We will only know after that number of recognitions is reached.
Yes, I do. However it does not look like Russia will refuse to recognize for too long. They have gotten tired of having to defend Serbia's childish and self-destructing policies, I mean they barely reacted to Prishtina's recent moves in the north, and they also didn't bother inviting little Vuk in the latest UNSC session on Kosovo. Once a majority of the world's countries recognize Kosovo, they'll simply copy the Chinese and abstain.
Gustave - who happens to be Albanian - provided the necessary link and that link describes the process and it seem to be pretty much what you said. All K-Albanians need is merely a UNSC recommendation not vetoed by any of the permanent members.
But without that recommendation the recognitions are about as important as the result of the last Crevena Zvezda game.
Demi, you are deluding yourself if you think that 48% of the UN members do not recognise Serbia in her internationally recognised borders. Serbia is a UN member and each UN member is fully recognised by all other UN members. So Serbia is recognised 100% and currently Kosovo sits at 48%. I know this is hard for you to accept but the game is played this way. It does not matter what percentage Kosovo holds if there is no will in the international community to accept it as an equal member. As it stands, now and for foreseeable future, Kosovo is not welcomed in any meaningful international organisation. Even your friends EU do not want you. Unless you make radical changes internally and towards Serbia I am afraid Kosovo is doomed.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
No Mister you are deluding. 48& of the world recognize the country Serbia without Kosovo. Soon it will be 50%+. And in the end Serbia will recognize Kosovo to enter EU and Kosovo will get UN membership. The story is very easy Mister.
Serbia will understand that Kosovo as a country that will not vanish from earth. If Serbia wants Eu membership it has to have good neighborly relations with Kosovo. That means recognizing Kosovo and move on. Everything else will be a loss of time and energy since Kosovo in no way will never be a part of Serbia. Even if all people of Kosovo would starve it will never be a part of Serbia.
Serbia has no choice !!
Saint-Lucia recognized Kosovo today.One of Jeremic's talking points "More than half of UN members don't recognize Kosovo" will be null by the end of the year or maybe earlier.
Answer to Poster, all UN member states bar Serbia have to recognise Kosovo before it is allowed to join since Russia and China will certainly be the last ones. And Serbia will never recognise I think that is clear to everyone now. Serbia will always claim Kosovo as theirs, for now just diplomatically but things will change.
Bermuda Jamaica, oooh I want to take ya. Key Largo Montego baby why dont we go.... I love that song. I think the one that the Norwiegan soldiers did was even better;)
This is a real big one. 14 states recognize Kosovo at once.This never happened before.
Yesterday Kosovo was recognized by 80 states, today by 94 states.
6 more recognitions and Kosovo has 100 recognitions. What does Mr. Jeremic say now?
By the way:
How many states have to recognize Kosovo, so that Kosovo can become a UN-Member?
Demi, you are deluding yourself if you think that 48% of the UN members do not recognise Serbia in her internationally recognised borders. Serbia is a UN member and each UN member is fully recognised by all other UN members. So Serbia is recognised 100% and currently Kosovo sits at 48%. I know this is hard for you to accept but the game is played this way. It does not matter what percentage Kosovo holds if there is no will in the international community to accept it as an equal member. As it stands, now and for foreseeable future, Kosovo is not welcomed in any meaningful international organisation. Even your friends EU do not want you. Unless you make radical changes internally and towards Serbia I am afraid Kosovo is doomed.
first of all Montserrat is not a country. it is british overseas territory. so it is 13 countries not 14 or 15. that makes the number of recognitions 93! Kuwait, Bangladesh, Lebanon, Togo etc etc on the line to recognize Kosovo. the number will reach 100 easily. When the number reaches 100 then it will be easier for countries like India, Mexico to recognize Kosovo. Like Hoxhaj said "Pacolli is a miraculous man" he is doing a great job for Kosovo.
They are coming slow but safe :)... Have no fear Serbia.
94 recognition are at the table now and as we know by now there is more to come. 2 more recognition and we are up at 50 % of the UN member states.
Reamamber that those states wich recognize the borders of Kosovo dosen't recognize the borders of Serbia. It means that by now 48 % of the world don't recognize serbian borders.
When Kosovo reach 50% it is a country as much as Serbia is. If Kosovo is no country then Serbia aren't either..... :)
Thanks to all Countrys wich support our independence !!!
They are coming slow but safe :)... Have no fear Serbia.
94 recognition are at the table now and as we know by now there is more to come. 2 more recognition and we are up at 50 % of the UN member states.
Reamamber that those states wich recognize the borders of Kosovo dosen't recognize the borders of Serbia. It means that by now 48 % of the world don't recognize serbian borders.
When Kosovo reach 50% it is a country as much as Serbia is. If Kosovo is no country then Serbia aren't either..... :)
Thanks to all Countrys wich support our independence !!!
first of all Montserrat is not a country. it is british overseas territory. so it is 13 countries not 14 or 15. that makes the number of recognitions 93! Kuwait, Bangladesh, Lebanon, Togo etc etc on the line to recognize Kosovo. the number will reach 100 easily. When the number reaches 100 then it will be easier for countries like India, Mexico to recognize Kosovo. Like Hoxhaj said "Pacolli is a miraculous man" he is doing a great job for Kosovo.
Bermuda Jamaica, oooh I want to take ya. Key Largo Montego baby why dont we go.... I love that song. I think the one that the Norwiegan soldiers did was even better;)
Demi, you are deluding yourself if you think that 48% of the UN members do not recognise Serbia in her internationally recognised borders. Serbia is a UN member and each UN member is fully recognised by all other UN members. So Serbia is recognised 100% and currently Kosovo sits at 48%. I know this is hard for you to accept but the game is played this way. It does not matter what percentage Kosovo holds if there is no will in the international community to accept it as an equal member. As it stands, now and for foreseeable future, Kosovo is not welcomed in any meaningful international organisation. Even your friends EU do not want you. Unless you make radical changes internally and towards Serbia I am afraid Kosovo is doomed.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
No Mister you are deluding. 48& of the world recognize the country Serbia without Kosovo. Soon it will be 50%+. And in the end Serbia will recognize Kosovo to enter EU and Kosovo will get UN membership. The story is very easy Mister.
Serbia will understand that Kosovo as a country that will not vanish from earth. If Serbia wants Eu membership it has to have good neighborly relations with Kosovo. That means recognizing Kosovo and move on. Everything else will be a loss of time and energy since Kosovo in no way will never be a part of Serbia. Even if all people of Kosovo would starve it will never be a part of Serbia.
Serbia has no choice !!
Saint-Lucia recognized Kosovo today.One of Jeremic's talking points "More than half of UN members don't recognize Kosovo" will be null by the end of the year or maybe earlier.
This is a real big one. 14 states recognize Kosovo at once.This never happened before.
Yesterday Kosovo was recognized by 80 states, today by 94 states.
6 more recognitions and Kosovo has 100 recognitions. What does Mr. Jeremic say now?
By the way:
How many states have to recognize Kosovo, so that Kosovo can become a UN-Member?
Yes, I do. However it does not look like Russia will refuse to recognize for too long. They have gotten tired of having to defend Serbia's childish and self-destructing policies, I mean they barely reacted to Prishtina's recent moves in the north, and they also didn't bother inviting little Vuk in the latest UNSC session on Kosovo. Once a majority of the world's countries recognize Kosovo, they'll simply copy the Chinese and abstain.
Demi, you are deluding yourself if you think that 48% of the UN members do not recognise Serbia in her internationally recognised borders. Serbia is a UN member and each UN member is fully recognised by all other UN members.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
Who said that ? For example, Serbia may not like Palestine and may not recognize it as a state. Palestine may still be admitted to the UN regardless of Serbia's vote, but still Serbia will not have an obligation to recognize Palestine.
So Serbia is recognised 100% and currently Kosovo sits at 48%.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
Of course, but only 52% recognize Serbia with Kosovo
I know this is hard for you to accept but the game is played this way. It does not matter what percentage Kosovo holds if there is no will in the international community to accept it as an equal member.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
The will in the international community is the will of the majority of the community, not the will of Serbia.
As it stands, now and for foreseeable future, Kosovo is not welcomed in any meaningful international organisation.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
The meaningful organizations Kosovo has applied to become a member (WB and IMF) have addmited it. The other meaningful organization is the UN. When Kosovo applies we will see if it's admitted or not. UN has not said that it does not welcome Kosovo. It hasn't had a chance to say that yet.
Even your friends EU do not want you.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
No such statement from the EU
Unless you make radical changes internally and towards Serbia I am afraid Kosovo is doomed.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
What changes ? Accept the Serbia offer of more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence under which Kosovo can never become a UN member ?!
With 128 votes the General Assembly of UN can recommend that the Security Council recognizes Kosovo. Russia holds the veto rights and might stop it.What will happen?We will only know after that number of recognitions is reached.
The only recognition that can make the province of Kosovo a state is Serbia's.... and that will never happen.
(Mike, 19 August 2011 20:55)
Serbian Government does not share your point of view Mike. If what you say is true then why little Vuk has spent taxpayer's money traveling around the world to include these CARICOM states? There would be no need to worry if Serbia's recognition would be mandatory for Kosovo to become a state.
Oh ps: Your lovely America is already showing signs of losing power and it's only a matter of time before the power shift moves and you'll have noone to protect you then :)
(trizo1, 20 August 2011 09:55)
Saint-Lucia recognized Kosovo today.One of Jeremic's talking points "More than half of UN members don't recognize Kosovo" will be null by the end of the year or maybe earlier.
(Mark, 19 August 2011 18:43)
It is really tremendous news, it is almost overwhelming. how many times have they cursed us, belittled us, mocked us, lied about us, laughed, threatening, "You'll NEVER get more than 20... than 30... never more than 50... you'll NEVER touch 70... now we are at over 80! thank you very much.
it seems the more they've tried to hurt and torment the people of kosova, the more it has come back to haunt them. that is what we call karma...
soon we will have over 100, soon we will have observer status at UN, and move on and on.
as always, i congratulate the people of Kosova, and all of our frnds and allies around the world. i don't give a sh-t about yr ethnicity, yr religion, or lack thereof. just what kind of person you are.
Demi, you are deluding yourself if you think that 48% of the UN members do not recognise Serbia in her internationally recognised borders. Serbia is a UN member and each UN member is fully recognised by all other UN members. So Serbia is recognised 100% and currently Kosovo sits at 48%. I know this is hard for you to accept but the game is played this way. It does not matter what percentage Kosovo holds if there is no will in the international community to accept it as an equal member. As it stands, now and for foreseeable future, Kosovo is not welcomed in any meaningful international organisation. Even your friends EU do not want you. Unless you make radical changes internally and towards Serbia I am afraid Kosovo is doomed.
Answer to Poster, all UN member states bar Serbia have to recognise Kosovo before it is allowed to join since Russia and China will certainly be the last ones. And Serbia will never recognise I think that is clear to everyone now. Serbia will always claim Kosovo as theirs, for now just diplomatically but things will change.
(got matches, 19 August 2011 19:45) - Russia doesn't have to recognize, it merely has to abstain in the SC and let the vote go to the General Assembly. Or Kosovo could go directly to the GA (via its sponsor countries) and get observer status with only 50% + 1 of the votes, which would make life simpler for its diplomats to work on getting the 2/3 needed for full membership.
Once Kosovo is recognized by a majority of countries, the remaining countries are going to be the ones who will have to explain why they do not recognize it. Let the non-recognizers start explaining why parts of their own populations would like to escape their rule.
CARICOM promised Hyseni that they would all eventually - when the time was right - recognize Kosovo all together, but Hillary tried and wasn't able to get them to move before they were ready. I wonder what changed. Or maybe it's just a case of "vremya i trud, vse pereplut."
You see still see that Kosovo as an independent country will not be allowed into the EU because of China and Russia.
These recognition's are only worth something if Serbia realistically wanted to rule over all of Kosovo which it does not. Now only in name Serbia will say Kosovo is there's for diplomatic reasons.
When the Western empire finally spreads its self too thin or completely succumbs to its own weight, things will be different.
Until then, Kosovo is a hell hole and Serbia should have no need to want to rule Albanians. They thrive off living in filth.
They love Kosovo so much that they throw trash on the street and it smells everywhere you go.
....meanwhile the money you spent on these Carribean recognition's could have went to your desperate population as they are cold, hungry and rarely have electricity and clean water.
But that doesn't matter, only stupid custom stamps and phony recognition's that will do what for your people?
You see still see that Kosovo as an independent country will not be allowed into the EU because of China and Russia.
(Ari Gold, 19 August 2011 23:13)
Of course, when the EU changes its treaties and adds an article saying “no new member can be admitted to the EU without the approval of China and Russia”. Let us know when this change in the EU treaties happens.
....meanwhile the money you spent on these Carribean recognition's could have went to your desperate population as they are cold, hungry and rarely have electricity and clean water. But that doesn't matter, only stupid custom stamps and phony recognition's that will do what for your people?
(Ari Gold, 19 August 2011 23:13)
I’m sure Kosovo appreciates your genuine concern about their well being !
Thing is... when kosovo gets around to trying, A veto by russia would mean going against a clear majority, Domestic PR is one thing, but they have to balance International PR as well. A veto like this costs political capital. No point in winning a size game when you slap the faces of all the little folks you were trying to impress.
not much else serbia can offter as russia already fleeced serbia of its energy future in exchange for lipservice... serbia is wearing thin the "neutrality" game, as long as it is seriously looking at its own interests and a european future...its picked a side. and russia has its own georgia theft that serbia has never jumped up at supporting.
China couldnt really care less about serbia. They will either abstain and spin it... or really take advantage and spittle out a position of being for "peace"
as it is... serbia already embarrassed them both, along with the handfull of countries really into the whole anti- american imperialist scheme when they all watched serbias failure and capitulation at the un with is icj scheme.
the irony is... with such a crossection of recognitions kosovo already has... by the time it comes, the only solid group left that a veto... for the sake of being "anti-american imperialism" will appeal to, would be islamic fundamentalists... and hugo chavez.
This is a very different game than people think and quite some folks in the States are NOT very pleased with recognitions.
(Ataman, 20 August 2011 00:40)
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Ataman, why don't you give up and join the winner's club? No use to fight till the end, and for what?
Your people are starving and the only people recognising you are being bribed to do so. Your government do nothing for the people in your country and only do things for their own wealth and fortune.
Stop burning and desecrating our churches (this is AGAINST YOUR religion)
Stop saying Kosovo will never be Serbian...we battled the Turks for 500 years+- and still have our Serbia. You guys all converted to Islam after the Turks occupied Albania.
I would be embarrassed if I knew that my forefathers were from another religion but I converted because we were not strong enough to resist.
Serbians are a much stronger race than yours and you will never take our Kosovo from us.
One day in the future we will again populate Kosovo and build beautiful monasteries and churches that will survive the years to come.
History repeats itself and your history is ambiguous, you don't even really know who or what you are!
Zivela Srbija i Kosovo Je Srce Srbije!!
Oh ps: Your lovely America is already showing signs of losing power and it's only a matter of time before the power shift moves and you'll have noone to protect you then :)
Gustave - who happens to be Albanian - provided the necessary link and that link describes the process and it seem to be pretty much what you said. All K-Albanians need is merely a UNSC recommendation not vetoed by any of the permanent members.
But without that recommendation the recognitions are about as important as the result of the last Crevena Zvezda game.
Once a majority of the world's countries recognize Kosovo, they'll simply copy the Chinese and abstain.
(Gustave, 19 August 2011 20:51)
This is the point where I disagree with you and this is the only serious hope of Albanians.
The reason Russia would veto:
1) They have nothing to gain NOT to veto. Unless very serious incentive is given by the West... and it has to be a very serious money. (Where should it came from?)
2) Not vetoing would mean serious domestic PR issues.
3) Russia has enough vested interest in Serbia
4) Other reasons, geo-political, military or just merely adrenaline - hormonal one (size of Russian "tool" versus the size of American "tool" used to make babies. After all, that size may not matter for ladies - but in military circles it does matter to show the extra inches)
Same by the way with Chinese, except that they have Tibet and Taiwan - but have at this moment less vested interest in Serbia. So two vetoes are IMO granted - and only one is enough.
3) Russia has enough vested interest in Serbia
(Ataman, 20 August 2011 03:46)
Exactly, Russia will veto as long as its interests align with Serbias. When they won't they will not have any sruples to dump Serbia as they did in 1999 with resolution 1244. There are no friendships in international relations; only interests
The only recognition that can make the province of Kosovo a state is Serbia's.... and that will never happen.
(Mike, 19 August 2011 20:55)
If you are speaking of UN membership... never is a long time. I know, I know... mother russia and china will save the day with their veto.
but never an explanation from you guys as to why they would do so...
The lip service today is free. But a veto would cost.
when kosovo gets around to even applying, it would have a majority of un members already recognizing. Why would they use up political capital of their own nations to fly in the face of a majority of nations for no gain whatsoever?
I mean really... why? serbian thanks? they are nice that way? politicians virtue?
good luck with that.
or how likely would it be for them to send a "strong" message and simply abstain? All the p.r. and none of the cost.
What we can all agree on, is that its other nations interests and concerns that would need to be addressed, serbia's recognition or non-recognition is in end... irrelevant.
CARICOM promised Hyseni that they would all eventually - when the time was right - recognize Kosovo all together, but Hillary tried and wasn't able to get them to move before they were ready. I wonder what changed. Or maybe it's just a case of "vremya i trud, vse pereplut."
(Amer, 19 August 2011 21:12)
The last sentence is much closer to the truth than you think, was unintended way a bulls' eye. But not without a typo, as you see. Ёжик гебишный, путинский и газпромовый. (Just to make you know who wrote it).
....meanwhile the money you spent on these Carribean recognition's could have went to your desperate population as they are cold, hungry and rarely have electricity and clean water.
But that doesn't matter, only stupid custom stamps and phony recognition's that will do what for your people?
(Ari Gold, 19 August 2011 23:13)
Ari, you underestimate Mother. ;-)
This is a very different game than people think and quite some folks in the States are NOT very pleased with recognitions.
Ataman, why don't you give up and join the winner's club? No use to fight till the end, and for what?
(miri, 20 August 2011 21:39)
Miri,
I am more-less recognition-neutral for many-many reasons. There is no fight on my side. There is no winner's club by the way - at least close to me. The only one I know about is alien enough for me as much as it is for you. And neither you or me is pleased with it.
They are the ones I am quite uncomfortable with, regardless their Kosovo non-recognition. But they are the winners long-term and I refuse to join them so far.
Saint-Lucia recognized Kosovo today.One of Jeremic's talking points "More than half of UN members don't recognize Kosovo" will be null by the end of the year or maybe earlier.
(Mark, 19 August 2011 18:43)
It is really tremendous news, it is almost overwhelming. how many times have they cursed us, belittled us, mocked us, lied about us, laughed, threatening, "You'll NEVER get more than 20... than 30... never more than 50... you'll NEVER touch 70... now we are at over 80! thank you very much.
it seems the more they've tried to hurt and torment the people of kosova, the more it has come back to haunt them. that is what we call karma...
soon we will have over 100, soon we will have observer status at UN, and move on and on.
as always, i congratulate the people of Kosova, and all of our frnds and allies around the world. i don't give a sh-t about yr ethnicity, yr religion, or lack thereof. just what kind of person you are.
Oh ps: Your lovely America is already showing signs of losing power and it's only a matter of time before the power shift moves and you'll have noone to protect you then :)
(trizo1, 20 August 2011 09:55)
The only recognition that can make the province of Kosovo a state is Serbia's.... and that will never happen.
(Mike, 19 August 2011 20:55)
Serbian Government does not share your point of view Mike. If what you say is true then why little Vuk has spent taxpayer's money traveling around the world to include these CARICOM states? There would be no need to worry if Serbia's recognition would be mandatory for Kosovo to become a state.
Demi, you are deluding yourself if you think that 48% of the UN members do not recognise Serbia in her internationally recognised borders. Serbia is a UN member and each UN member is fully recognised by all other UN members. So Serbia is recognised 100% and currently Kosovo sits at 48%. I know this is hard for you to accept but the game is played this way. It does not matter what percentage Kosovo holds if there is no will in the international community to accept it as an equal member. As it stands, now and for foreseeable future, Kosovo is not welcomed in any meaningful international organisation. Even your friends EU do not want you. Unless you make radical changes internally and towards Serbia I am afraid Kosovo is doomed.
Answer to Poster, all UN member states bar Serbia have to recognise Kosovo before it is allowed to join since Russia and China will certainly be the last ones. And Serbia will never recognise I think that is clear to everyone now. Serbia will always claim Kosovo as theirs, for now just diplomatically but things will change.
You see still see that Kosovo as an independent country will not be allowed into the EU because of China and Russia.
These recognition's are only worth something if Serbia realistically wanted to rule over all of Kosovo which it does not. Now only in name Serbia will say Kosovo is there's for diplomatic reasons.
When the Western empire finally spreads its self too thin or completely succumbs to its own weight, things will be different.
Until then, Kosovo is a hell hole and Serbia should have no need to want to rule Albanians. They thrive off living in filth.
They love Kosovo so much that they throw trash on the street and it smells everywhere you go.
....meanwhile the money you spent on these Carribean recognition's could have went to your desperate population as they are cold, hungry and rarely have electricity and clean water.
But that doesn't matter, only stupid custom stamps and phony recognition's that will do what for your people?
They are coming slow but safe :)... Have no fear Serbia.
94 recognition are at the table now and as we know by now there is more to come. 2 more recognition and we are up at 50 % of the UN member states.
Reamamber that those states wich recognize the borders of Kosovo dosen't recognize the borders of Serbia. It means that by now 48 % of the world don't recognize serbian borders.
When Kosovo reach 50% it is a country as much as Serbia is. If Kosovo is no country then Serbia aren't either..... :)
Thanks to all Countrys wich support our independence !!!
Your people are starving and the only people recognising you are being bribed to do so. Your government do nothing for the people in your country and only do things for their own wealth and fortune.
Stop burning and desecrating our churches (this is AGAINST YOUR religion)
Stop saying Kosovo will never be Serbian...we battled the Turks for 500 years+- and still have our Serbia. You guys all converted to Islam after the Turks occupied Albania.
I would be embarrassed if I knew that my forefathers were from another religion but I converted because we were not strong enough to resist.
Serbians are a much stronger race than yours and you will never take our Kosovo from us.
One day in the future we will again populate Kosovo and build beautiful monasteries and churches that will survive the years to come.
History repeats itself and your history is ambiguous, you don't even really know who or what you are!
Zivela Srbija i Kosovo Je Srce Srbije!!
Oh ps: Your lovely America is already showing signs of losing power and it's only a matter of time before the power shift moves and you'll have noone to protect you then :)
first of all Montserrat is not a country. it is british overseas territory. so it is 13 countries not 14 or 15. that makes the number of recognitions 93! Kuwait, Bangladesh, Lebanon, Togo etc etc on the line to recognize Kosovo. the number will reach 100 easily. When the number reaches 100 then it will be easier for countries like India, Mexico to recognize Kosovo. Like Hoxhaj said "Pacolli is a miraculous man" he is doing a great job for Kosovo.
Once a majority of the world's countries recognize Kosovo, they'll simply copy the Chinese and abstain.
(Gustave, 19 August 2011 20:51)
This is the point where I disagree with you and this is the only serious hope of Albanians.
The reason Russia would veto:
1) They have nothing to gain NOT to veto. Unless very serious incentive is given by the West... and it has to be a very serious money. (Where should it came from?)
2) Not vetoing would mean serious domestic PR issues.
3) Russia has enough vested interest in Serbia
4) Other reasons, geo-political, military or just merely adrenaline - hormonal one (size of Russian "tool" versus the size of American "tool" used to make babies. After all, that size may not matter for ladies - but in military circles it does matter to show the extra inches)
Same by the way with Chinese, except that they have Tibet and Taiwan - but have at this moment less vested interest in Serbia. So two vetoes are IMO granted - and only one is enough.
Gustave - who happens to be Albanian - provided the necessary link and that link describes the process and it seem to be pretty much what you said. All K-Albanians need is merely a UNSC recommendation not vetoed by any of the permanent members.
But without that recommendation the recognitions are about as important as the result of the last Crevena Zvezda game.
CARICOM promised Hyseni that they would all eventually - when the time was right - recognize Kosovo all together, but Hillary tried and wasn't able to get them to move before they were ready. I wonder what changed. Or maybe it's just a case of "vremya i trud, vse pereplut."
(Amer, 19 August 2011 21:12)
The last sentence is much closer to the truth than you think, was unintended way a bulls' eye. But not without a typo, as you see. Ёжик гебишный, путинский и газпромовый. (Just to make you know who wrote it).
....meanwhile the money you spent on these Carribean recognition's could have went to your desperate population as they are cold, hungry and rarely have electricity and clean water.
But that doesn't matter, only stupid custom stamps and phony recognition's that will do what for your people?
(Ari Gold, 19 August 2011 23:13)
Ari, you underestimate Mother. ;-)
This is a very different game than people think and quite some folks in the States are NOT very pleased with recognitions.
This is a real big one. 14 states recognize Kosovo at once.This never happened before.
Yesterday Kosovo was recognized by 80 states, today by 94 states.
6 more recognitions and Kosovo has 100 recognitions. What does Mr. Jeremic say now?
By the way:
How many states have to recognize Kosovo, so that Kosovo can become a UN-Member?
The only recognition that can make the province of Kosovo a state is Serbia's.... and that will never happen.
(Mike, 19 August 2011 20:55)
If you are speaking of UN membership... never is a long time. I know, I know... mother russia and china will save the day with their veto.
but never an explanation from you guys as to why they would do so...
The lip service today is free. But a veto would cost.
when kosovo gets around to even applying, it would have a majority of un members already recognizing. Why would they use up political capital of their own nations to fly in the face of a majority of nations for no gain whatsoever?
I mean really... why? serbian thanks? they are nice that way? politicians virtue?
good luck with that.
or how likely would it be for them to send a "strong" message and simply abstain? All the p.r. and none of the cost.
What we can all agree on, is that its other nations interests and concerns that would need to be addressed, serbia's recognition or non-recognition is in end... irrelevant.
(got matches, 19 August 2011 19:45) - Russia doesn't have to recognize, it merely has to abstain in the SC and let the vote go to the General Assembly. Or Kosovo could go directly to the GA (via its sponsor countries) and get observer status with only 50% + 1 of the votes, which would make life simpler for its diplomats to work on getting the 2/3 needed for full membership.
Once Kosovo is recognized by a majority of countries, the remaining countries are going to be the ones who will have to explain why they do not recognize it. Let the non-recognizers start explaining why parts of their own populations would like to escape their rule.
CARICOM promised Hyseni that they would all eventually - when the time was right - recognize Kosovo all together, but Hillary tried and wasn't able to get them to move before they were ready. I wonder what changed. Or maybe it's just a case of "vremya i trud, vse pereplut."
Demi, you are deluding yourself if you think that 48% of the UN members do not recognise Serbia in her internationally recognised borders. Serbia is a UN member and each UN member is fully recognised by all other UN members.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
Who said that ? For example, Serbia may not like Palestine and may not recognize it as a state. Palestine may still be admitted to the UN regardless of Serbia's vote, but still Serbia will not have an obligation to recognize Palestine.
So Serbia is recognised 100% and currently Kosovo sits at 48%.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
Of course, but only 52% recognize Serbia with Kosovo
I know this is hard for you to accept but the game is played this way. It does not matter what percentage Kosovo holds if there is no will in the international community to accept it as an equal member.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
The will in the international community is the will of the majority of the community, not the will of Serbia.
As it stands, now and for foreseeable future, Kosovo is not welcomed in any meaningful international organisation.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
The meaningful organizations Kosovo has applied to become a member (WB and IMF) have addmited it. The other meaningful organization is the UN. When Kosovo applies we will see if it's admitted or not. UN has not said that it does not welcome Kosovo. It hasn't had a chance to say that yet.
Even your friends EU do not want you.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
No such statement from the EU
Unless you make radical changes internally and towards Serbia I am afraid Kosovo is doomed.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
What changes ? Accept the Serbia offer of more-than-autonomy-but-less-then-independence under which Kosovo can never become a UN member ?!
Bermuda Jamaica, oooh I want to take ya. Key Largo Montego baby why dont we go.... I love that song. I think the one that the Norwiegan soldiers did was even better;)
Yes, I do. However it does not look like Russia will refuse to recognize for too long. They have gotten tired of having to defend Serbia's childish and self-destructing policies, I mean they barely reacted to Prishtina's recent moves in the north, and they also didn't bother inviting little Vuk in the latest UNSC session on Kosovo. Once a majority of the world's countries recognize Kosovo, they'll simply copy the Chinese and abstain.
Saint-Lucia recognized Kosovo today.One of Jeremic's talking points "More than half of UN members don't recognize Kosovo" will be null by the end of the year or maybe earlier.
Ataman, why don't you give up and join the winner's club? No use to fight till the end, and for what?
(miri, 20 August 2011 21:39)
Miri,
I am more-less recognition-neutral for many-many reasons. There is no fight on my side. There is no winner's club by the way - at least close to me. The only one I know about is alien enough for me as much as it is for you. And neither you or me is pleased with it.
They are the ones I am quite uncomfortable with, regardless their Kosovo non-recognition. But they are the winners long-term and I refuse to join them so far.
Demi, you are deluding yourself if you think that 48% of the UN members do not recognise Serbia in her internationally recognised borders. Serbia is a UN member and each UN member is fully recognised by all other UN members. So Serbia is recognised 100% and currently Kosovo sits at 48%. I know this is hard for you to accept but the game is played this way. It does not matter what percentage Kosovo holds if there is no will in the international community to accept it as an equal member. As it stands, now and for foreseeable future, Kosovo is not welcomed in any meaningful international organisation. Even your friends EU do not want you. Unless you make radical changes internally and towards Serbia I am afraid Kosovo is doomed.
(Teslavio, 19 August 2011 15:34)
No Mister you are deluding. 48& of the world recognize the country Serbia without Kosovo. Soon it will be 50%+. And in the end Serbia will recognize Kosovo to enter EU and Kosovo will get UN membership. The story is very easy Mister.
Serbia will understand that Kosovo as a country that will not vanish from earth. If Serbia wants Eu membership it has to have good neighborly relations with Kosovo. That means recognizing Kosovo and move on. Everything else will be a loss of time and energy since Kosovo in no way will never be a part of Serbia. Even if all people of Kosovo would starve it will never be a part of Serbia.
Serbia has no choice !!
With 128 votes the General Assembly of UN can recommend that the Security Council recognizes Kosovo. Russia holds the veto rights and might stop it.What will happen?We will only know after that number of recognitions is reached.
You see still see that Kosovo as an independent country will not be allowed into the EU because of China and Russia.
(Ari Gold, 19 August 2011 23:13)
Of course, when the EU changes its treaties and adds an article saying “no new member can be admitted to the EU without the approval of China and Russia”. Let us know when this change in the EU treaties happens.
....meanwhile the money you spent on these Carribean recognition's could have went to your desperate population as they are cold, hungry and rarely have electricity and clean water. But that doesn't matter, only stupid custom stamps and phony recognition's that will do what for your people?
(Ari Gold, 19 August 2011 23:13)
I’m sure Kosovo appreciates your genuine concern about their well being !
This is a very different game than people think and quite some folks in the States are NOT very pleased with recognitions.
(Ataman, 20 August 2011 00:40)
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Ataman, why don't you give up and join the winner's club? No use to fight till the end, and for what?
Thing is... when kosovo gets around to trying, A veto by russia would mean going against a clear majority, Domestic PR is one thing, but they have to balance International PR as well. A veto like this costs political capital. No point in winning a size game when you slap the faces of all the little folks you were trying to impress.
not much else serbia can offter as russia already fleeced serbia of its energy future in exchange for lipservice... serbia is wearing thin the "neutrality" game, as long as it is seriously looking at its own interests and a european future...its picked a side. and russia has its own georgia theft that serbia has never jumped up at supporting.
China couldnt really care less about serbia. They will either abstain and spin it... or really take advantage and spittle out a position of being for "peace"
as it is... serbia already embarrassed them both, along with the handfull of countries really into the whole anti- american imperialist scheme when they all watched serbias failure and capitulation at the un with is icj scheme.
the irony is... with such a crossection of recognitions kosovo already has... by the time it comes, the only solid group left that a veto... for the sake of being "anti-american imperialism" will appeal to, would be islamic fundamentalists... and hugo chavez.
3) Russia has enough vested interest in Serbia
(Ataman, 20 August 2011 03:46)
Exactly, Russia will veto as long as its interests align with Serbias. When they won't they will not have any sruples to dump Serbia as they did in 1999 with resolution 1244. There are no friendships in international relations; only interests
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