Same thing: they want to prove what can't be proven. And set up ridiculous theories about ethnic origin - to justify simple land theft.
As for people I not only have zero problem - so far I did not see a single Romanian whom I did not like.
The big difference between Albanians and Romanians: to the people I met I can say straight what I think about Daco-Roman rubbish. They can take it and do not regard as personal insult.
(Ataman, 19 August 2011 12:44)
You are fully correct... The only thing that it is a fact proven by science is that the first form of life in Kosovo (and in the whole Earth) was bacteria hundreds of millions of years ago. Then other forms of life stole bacteria's Kosovo land over the years until arriving at the current thiefs, i.e. the Albanians.
This is a Serbian side, dude. There are/were rather sympathetic Albanians who are given respect.
Unfortunately sick trolls - probably by intent(?) - did chase them away. At this point it is a place where one writes if one is frustrated. Congratulation to the achieved, that's the way to go.
(Ataman, 19 August 2011 15:49)
Boy, where do I start?
Regarding the Serbian "side": Since when is English the official language of Serbia? Obviously the intended target audience of this website is the English speaking community.
Regarding "the sick trolls": Has it ever crossed your mind that you might be the reason why "sympathetic Albanians" have left this site? Because since we are frank with each other: You are feeding on negative energy. I don't know why but if one would care enough to go through the archives the number of offensive comments you have written is neither beaten by Jovan nor Peggy. At least something you have achieved...
Regarding "this is the place where ones writes when one is frustrated": I thought this was a place were more or less grown-ups exchange their points of view, regardless whether one agrees or not.
Regarding the "congratulations": What the heck are you talking about???
good point, Peggy! a lot of russian women are playing in the "premier league" of the model-biz, while as far as I can remember it, there is not much left of the glorious, and of course breathtakingly looking "ill-yrian" women..
there is just one single more or less attractive albanian woman in the film-industry, Eliza Dushku, and she´s more of a b-movie actress ( rather low-level horror-movies like "wrong turn" for example )
so, the bottom-line is: as soon as an Albanian starts writing about unwanted russian tourists, it gets just funny.
thank god the Russians are known for being tourists and not for primitive clan-connections and drug/ or what is even worse, organ-trafficking!
there are others in Europe, who are being connected with these horrible crimes.
and now, finally, to Mr.Pacolli and his alleged "success", isn´t it amusing for you Albanians, that these "recognitions" seem to be always announced to come from small island-states that are under US-influence? I mean, don´t you see a pattern here? or do you really believe in the "genius" of this albanian businessman?
I can only repeat what I have written a few times here: the number of little statelets is limited, and it rather looks like those were influenced long before, and only come forward with their socalled "recognitions" from time to time, when they get the order to do so. so, keep cool, kids! they are acting "as if" - but in reality it is very likely that all this is simply orchestrated and only good to caress the albanian soul and make it look as if there were some "new" recognitions achieved, ...if that is not only believed by naive k-albanian kiddies at all.
now I wish you all a nice weekend, my dear k-albanian friends. perhaps you can inform about your "hero" in the Hague... you know this simple guy, nightclub-bouncer and criminal who is currently spending some time behind bars...
that would be interesting to see what those witnesses are saying, those who he was not able to kill before testifying.
Just don't expect gratitude.
(Bloody Mary, 19 August 2011 15:17)
This is a Serbian side, dude. There are/were rather sympathetic Albanians who are given respect.
Unfortunately sick trolls - probably by intent(?) - did chase them away. At this point it is a place where one writes if one is frustrated. Congratulation to the achieved, that's the way to go.
If this is your reaction than you have a mighty inferiority complex. Probably that inferiority complex is the answer to the question.
(Ataman, 19 August 2011 13:41)
At first I didn't dare to answer because I feel soooo inferior to you. But after a careful self-diagnosis I discovered that I am actually fine, but thanks for the concern. Actually I think it is rather your megalomania that is the problem. But as long as it keeps you both happy. Just don't expect gratitude.
So Albanian and Romanian have a lot of similarities for only that the oldest nations in Balkans are Albanians and Romanians. By the way, what's wrong with romanians?
(Mihaly Ilyrian, 19 August 2011 08:42)
Same thing: they want to prove what can't be proven. And set up ridiculous theories about ethnic origin - to justify simple land theft.
As for people I not only have zero problem - so far I did not see a single Romanian whom I did not like.
The big difference between Albanians and Romanians: to the people I met I can say straight what I think about Daco-Roman rubbish. They can take it and do not regard as personal insult.
For Albanians any disagreement with their view is regarded as a personal insult.
Mihaly
Do not pay attention to what he writes. Always remember that: The one who will laugh at you, is the one who has been laughed at.
Even Russia does not want him.
Ataman wrote: “Wait, aren't Romanians your closest kin somehow?" No, they are not our kin, but as you go deeper in the past/history, and then you will find common phenomena with entire nations, like language! So Albanian and Romanian have a lot of similarities for only that the oldest nations in Balkans are Albanians and Romanians. By the way, what's wrong with romanians?
And Russia already has NIS.
(Amer, 18 August 2011 20:34)
My opinion about all this "recognition" circus is completely different and quite unusual. For the better part it is just that - a circus for the sheep. Sheep is pleased. Fine. I am pleased to a certain degree, too.
But expecting Russia to vote for Kosovo is somewhat more than optimistic regardless of NIS.
"Serbia, however, rejected it as an illegal act of secession of its southern province, and the territory has not been able to join the United Nations".
How can the territory "not be able to join the UN" when that territory has not applied to be a member of UN ?!
Do I sense despair in your comment? 41,5% of the UN members have recognized Kosovo! And please show me one place in the world where Russians are welcome (except for Serbia of course). Once a hotel in Turkey is known for harboring Russian tourists every other guest will avoid it.
(Bloody Mary, 18 August 2011 19:22
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Can you back that up with some evidence? I didn't think so.
I wonder how many Albanian women western men marry compared to Russian women.
Pacoli has informed that 14 countries of The Caribian Union has decided to recognize Kosova too!
The recognitions will come from each of this countries in the ours and days to come soon!
Thank You Caribia!
94 is the number for now and still moving up !!!
And please show me one place in the world where Russians are welcome (except for Serbia of course). Once a hotel in Turkey is known for harboring Russian tourists every other guest will avoid it.
(Bloody Mary, 18 August 2011 19:22)
Hey, Bloody Mary - the grapes are sour in Rahoveci valley lately - or you did not learn from Serbs how to make a good Vranac?
Here is the list: Germany, Italy, France, Croatia, Greece, Cyprus, Spain, China, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia (yes, Georgia). And of course Bulgaria where everything is named after "tsar, who gave us freedom". And of course Armenia.
Georgia is one of the "worst" from the point of view that once a Russian tourist is singled out - he is often INVTED to stay with locals FOR FREE. I am not kidding.
From my own experience: Germany, Italy, France, Croatia, Greece, Belgium/NL, Slovakia, Czech Republic... and even Poland - which only 30 years ago used to be a less welcoming place. Many times if I check in and see the somewhat cold face of the hotel employer looking at my American passport I just point out that I wasn't born in the States (according the passport).
So that also means, Americans did screw up quite a bit to lose so much popularity.
I think, the least welcoming place for Russians is not even Kosovo - that goes to Romania. What is funny because precisely Romanians had the least Russian/Soviet influence. But it seems, getting Transylvania for free is not enough, they need Moldova, Beijing and Jakarta, too.
Wait, aren't Romanians your closest kin somehow? So much similarity... that Daco-Romanian madness is the twin of Albano-Illyrian one.
African countries were holding off on recognizing Kosovo until the South Sudan vote on independence because they didn't want to be seen to be actively encouraging secession. Now that South Sudan is independent and a member of the UN, they can act on Kosovo without looking like they're interfering in another African country's internal affairs.
It only takes a simple majority of the General Assembly (193/2 + 1) to gain observer status, which would give Kosovo a better base from which to argue for full membership. (And no more objections from Jeremic about "why are those people here?!") As for those SC vetoes, China's judge left the ICJ proceedings without voting or writing a separate opinion - I don't think you can rely on more than an abstention from them. (It hasn't been their style in the past to use their veto, anyway. And they'll hold onto Taiwan and Tibet regardless of what happens with Kosovo.) And Russia already has NIS.
Albanians are welcome in Croatia,Montenegro,Albania,Slovenia,italy etc. All this countrys recognize Kosovo as an independent state. This countrys dosent't recognize Serbia as Serbia wants.
(Demi, 18 August 2011 18:40)
Albanians being welcome in these countries sounds like a joke. You can maybe tell that joke to an average American who never was in the area. Just sit on any train and bus... and listen to S***R jokes in Croatia.
Interestingly, Croats seem to be less tolerant to the fact, Albanians have all the bakeries in Croatia than Serbs or Hungarians for the same. So you should rather mention Serbia or Hungary where you are more welcome.
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in every country in the world welcomed tourist are the reacheast ones. Same was with you in Kosova.
(Gyorg Ilyrian, 18 August 2011 18:34)
This is not always the case. Example: Ukrainians are less well-off than most K-Albanians who travel. Ask anyone on the Dalmatian coast, whom they want to see. Or Poles.
Great. Now I want to see a single country on the planet Earth where Albanians are welcome as visitors.
Knowing the number (zero) it should be a very-very tough feeling. There is no other group like that.
But Pacolli does a damn good job to get you some relief from that feeling.
(Ataman, 18 August 2011 16:49)
Do I sense despair in your comment? 41,5% of the UN members have recognized Kosovo! And please show me one place in the world where Russians are welcome (except for Serbia of course). Once a hotel in Turkey is known for harboring Russian tourists every other guest will avoid it.
Recognitions don't come cheap Ian. A few million dollars stuffed in a suitcase usually does the job.
(Janez-Beograd, 18 August 2011 15:31)
What can we do man? If we had a big state owned gas company we will give it to Gazprom for free and get the russian recognition also.Unless you serbs do the same.Oh wait, you already did.
Ataman wrote:"I want to see a single country on the planet Earth where Albanians are welcome as visitors". Gyorg, in every country in the world welcomed tourist are the reacheast ones. Same was with you in Kosova.
Serbs by now can only visit Greece for holiday. Soon not even Greece since Greece will recognize Kosovo in an near future. Greece already got good relations with Kosovo. Albanians are welcome in Croatia,Montenegro,Albania,Slovenia,italy etc. All this countrys recognize Kosovo as an independent state. This countrys dosent't recognize Serbia as Serbia wants.
well, Great......
Keep going but It's worthless, unless you can pursue, Russia and China and the 5 EU country's.
Wich I think You never will, So NO UN and EU for Kosova...
Pacolli just stated that more than 15 countries will recognize the independence of Kosovo the next days, among them the biggest African country, Nigeria. Yesterday Pacolli had dinner with Nigeria´s President Goodluck Jonathan.
Pacolli is doing a great job.
Great. Now I want to see a single country on the planet Earth where Albanians are welcome as visitors.
Knowing the number (zero) it should be a very-very tough feeling. There is no other group like that.
But Pacolli does a damn good job to get you some relief from that feeling.
Recognitions don't come cheap Ian. A few million dollars stuffed in a suitcase usually does the job.
(Janez-Beograd, 18 August 2011 15:31)
Lets be practical here. If it costs Russia US$50 Million to get Nauru to recognise Abkhazia and South Ossetia, how much will it have cost to get Benin, Niger and Guinea to recognise Kosovo? It'd be in the billions to get these three to recognise. Who is paying for it? Pacolli only has a few billion himself so he can't afford this. The West is low on cash right now there they can't afford this either. Who is paying for these recognitions?
Just face it, these recognitions are down to successful lobbying and the gradual acceptance of Kosovo's independence.
Is it because Jeremic did not visit these last three African countries?
If only he had known :)
And for those who claim for these recognitions to be a result of bribery, good job Kosova! If Serbia can't secure "few million" dollars to protect its "Jerusalem", then what else can Serbia do? Either way this is very encouraging.
I remembered a recent statement by Oliver Ivanovic, who said that: "If Kosovo is recognized by 80 countries, then I'm afraid that it can not be stopped"? What he will say now, I do not care?
Congratulations that Benin is giving Kosovo the recognition it wants. Personally I encourage pro-independence Kosovars to celebrate (the way you know how) anytime Kosovo is being recognized as a foreign country. You people should carpe diem (Latin for "seize the day")if you know what I mean.
Recognitions don't come cheap Ian. A few million dollars stuffed in a suitcase usually does the job.
(Janez-Beograd, 18 August 2011 15:31)
What can we do man? If we had a big state owned gas company we will give it to Gazprom for free and get the russian recognition also.Unless you serbs do the same.Oh wait, you already did.
Recognitions don't come cheap Ian. A few million dollars stuffed in a suitcase usually does the job.
(Janez-Beograd, 18 August 2011 15:31)
Lets be practical here. If it costs Russia US$50 Million to get Nauru to recognise Abkhazia and South Ossetia, how much will it have cost to get Benin, Niger and Guinea to recognise Kosovo? It'd be in the billions to get these three to recognise. Who is paying for it? Pacolli only has a few billion himself so he can't afford this. The West is low on cash right now there they can't afford this either. Who is paying for these recognitions?
Just face it, these recognitions are down to successful lobbying and the gradual acceptance of Kosovo's independence.
Is it because Jeremic did not visit these last three African countries?
If only he had known :)
And for those who claim for these recognitions to be a result of bribery, good job Kosova! If Serbia can't secure "few million" dollars to protect its "Jerusalem", then what else can Serbia do? Either way this is very encouraging.
Pacolli just stated that more than 15 countries will recognize the independence of Kosovo the next days, among them the biggest African country, Nigeria. Yesterday Pacolli had dinner with Nigeria´s President Goodluck Jonathan.
Pacolli is doing a great job.
Great. Now I want to see a single country on the planet Earth where Albanians are welcome as visitors.
Knowing the number (zero) it should be a very-very tough feeling. There is no other group like that.
But Pacolli does a damn good job to get you some relief from that feeling.
(Ataman, 18 August 2011 16:49)
Do I sense despair in your comment? 41,5% of the UN members have recognized Kosovo! And please show me one place in the world where Russians are welcome (except for Serbia of course). Once a hotel in Turkey is known for harboring Russian tourists every other guest will avoid it.
Congratulations that Benin is giving Kosovo the recognition it wants. Personally I encourage pro-independence Kosovars to celebrate (the way you know how) anytime Kosovo is being recognized as a foreign country. You people should carpe diem (Latin for "seize the day")if you know what I mean.
I remembered a recent statement by Oliver Ivanovic, who said that: "If Kosovo is recognized by 80 countries, then I'm afraid that it can not be stopped"? What he will say now, I do not care?
Serbs by now can only visit Greece for holiday. Soon not even Greece since Greece will recognize Kosovo in an near future. Greece already got good relations with Kosovo. Albanians are welcome in Croatia,Montenegro,Albania,Slovenia,italy etc. All this countrys recognize Kosovo as an independent state. This countrys dosent't recognize Serbia as Serbia wants.
Ataman wrote:"I want to see a single country on the planet Earth where Albanians are welcome as visitors". Gyorg, in every country in the world welcomed tourist are the reacheast ones. Same was with you in Kosova.
well, Great......
Keep going but It's worthless, unless you can pursue, Russia and China and the 5 EU country's.
Wich I think You never will, So NO UN and EU for Kosova...
Great. Now I want to see a single country on the planet Earth where Albanians are welcome as visitors.
Knowing the number (zero) it should be a very-very tough feeling. There is no other group like that.
But Pacolli does a damn good job to get you some relief from that feeling.
Albanians are welcome in Croatia,Montenegro,Albania,Slovenia,italy etc. All this countrys recognize Kosovo as an independent state. This countrys dosent't recognize Serbia as Serbia wants.
(Demi, 18 August 2011 18:40)
Albanians being welcome in these countries sounds like a joke. You can maybe tell that joke to an average American who never was in the area. Just sit on any train and bus... and listen to S***R jokes in Croatia.
Interestingly, Croats seem to be less tolerant to the fact, Albanians have all the bakeries in Croatia than Serbs or Hungarians for the same. So you should rather mention Serbia or Hungary where you are more welcome.
---
in every country in the world welcomed tourist are the reacheast ones. Same was with you in Kosova.
(Gyorg Ilyrian, 18 August 2011 18:34)
This is not always the case. Example: Ukrainians are less well-off than most K-Albanians who travel. Ask anyone on the Dalmatian coast, whom they want to see. Or Poles.
"Serbia, however, rejected it as an illegal act of secession of its southern province, and the territory has not been able to join the United Nations".
How can the territory "not be able to join the UN" when that territory has not applied to be a member of UN ?!
This is a Serbian side, dude. There are/were rather sympathetic Albanians who are given respect.
Unfortunately sick trolls - probably by intent(?) - did chase them away. At this point it is a place where one writes if one is frustrated. Congratulation to the achieved, that's the way to go.
(Ataman, 19 August 2011 15:49)
Boy, where do I start?
Regarding the Serbian "side": Since when is English the official language of Serbia? Obviously the intended target audience of this website is the English speaking community.
Regarding "the sick trolls": Has it ever crossed your mind that you might be the reason why "sympathetic Albanians" have left this site? Because since we are frank with each other: You are feeding on negative energy. I don't know why but if one would care enough to go through the archives the number of offensive comments you have written is neither beaten by Jovan nor Peggy. At least something you have achieved...
Regarding "this is the place where ones writes when one is frustrated": I thought this was a place were more or less grown-ups exchange their points of view, regardless whether one agrees or not.
Regarding the "congratulations": What the heck are you talking about???
African countries were holding off on recognizing Kosovo until the South Sudan vote on independence because they didn't want to be seen to be actively encouraging secession. Now that South Sudan is independent and a member of the UN, they can act on Kosovo without looking like they're interfering in another African country's internal affairs.
It only takes a simple majority of the General Assembly (193/2 + 1) to gain observer status, which would give Kosovo a better base from which to argue for full membership. (And no more objections from Jeremic about "why are those people here?!") As for those SC vetoes, China's judge left the ICJ proceedings without voting or writing a separate opinion - I don't think you can rely on more than an abstention from them. (It hasn't been their style in the past to use their veto, anyway. And they'll hold onto Taiwan and Tibet regardless of what happens with Kosovo.) And Russia already has NIS.
Ataman wrote: “Wait, aren't Romanians your closest kin somehow?" No, they are not our kin, but as you go deeper in the past/history, and then you will find common phenomena with entire nations, like language! So Albanian and Romanian have a lot of similarities for only that the oldest nations in Balkans are Albanians and Romanians. By the way, what's wrong with romanians?
Mihaly
Do not pay attention to what he writes. Always remember that: The one who will laugh at you, is the one who has been laughed at.
Even Russia does not want him.
If this is your reaction than you have a mighty inferiority complex. Probably that inferiority complex is the answer to the question.
(Ataman, 19 August 2011 13:41)
At first I didn't dare to answer because I feel soooo inferior to you. But after a careful self-diagnosis I discovered that I am actually fine, but thanks for the concern. Actually I think it is rather your megalomania that is the problem. But as long as it keeps you both happy. Just don't expect gratitude.
Same thing: they want to prove what can't be proven. And set up ridiculous theories about ethnic origin - to justify simple land theft.
As for people I not only have zero problem - so far I did not see a single Romanian whom I did not like.
The big difference between Albanians and Romanians: to the people I met I can say straight what I think about Daco-Roman rubbish. They can take it and do not regard as personal insult.
(Ataman, 19 August 2011 12:44)
You are fully correct... The only thing that it is a fact proven by science is that the first form of life in Kosovo (and in the whole Earth) was bacteria hundreds of millions of years ago. Then other forms of life stole bacteria's Kosovo land over the years until arriving at the current thiefs, i.e. the Albanians.
And Russia already has NIS.
(Amer, 18 August 2011 20:34)
My opinion about all this "recognition" circus is completely different and quite unusual. For the better part it is just that - a circus for the sheep. Sheep is pleased. Fine. I am pleased to a certain degree, too.
But expecting Russia to vote for Kosovo is somewhat more than optimistic regardless of NIS.
So Albanian and Romanian have a lot of similarities for only that the oldest nations in Balkans are Albanians and Romanians. By the way, what's wrong with romanians?
(Mihaly Ilyrian, 19 August 2011 08:42)
Same thing: they want to prove what can't be proven. And set up ridiculous theories about ethnic origin - to justify simple land theft.
As for people I not only have zero problem - so far I did not see a single Romanian whom I did not like.
The big difference between Albanians and Romanians: to the people I met I can say straight what I think about Daco-Roman rubbish. They can take it and do not regard as personal insult.
For Albanians any disagreement with their view is regarded as a personal insult.
Do I sense despair in your comment? 41,5% of the UN members have recognized Kosovo! And please show me one place in the world where Russians are welcome (except for Serbia of course). Once a hotel in Turkey is known for harboring Russian tourists every other guest will avoid it.
(Bloody Mary, 18 August 2011 19:22
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Can you back that up with some evidence? I didn't think so.
I wonder how many Albanian women western men marry compared to Russian women.
Pacoli has informed that 14 countries of The Caribian Union has decided to recognize Kosova too!
The recognitions will come from each of this countries in the ours and days to come soon!
Thank You Caribia!
94 is the number for now and still moving up !!!
And please show me one place in the world where Russians are welcome (except for Serbia of course). Once a hotel in Turkey is known for harboring Russian tourists every other guest will avoid it.
(Bloody Mary, 18 August 2011 19:22)
Hey, Bloody Mary - the grapes are sour in Rahoveci valley lately - or you did not learn from Serbs how to make a good Vranac?
Here is the list: Germany, Italy, France, Croatia, Greece, Cyprus, Spain, China, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia (yes, Georgia). And of course Bulgaria where everything is named after "tsar, who gave us freedom". And of course Armenia.
Georgia is one of the "worst" from the point of view that once a Russian tourist is singled out - he is often INVTED to stay with locals FOR FREE. I am not kidding.
From my own experience: Germany, Italy, France, Croatia, Greece, Belgium/NL, Slovakia, Czech Republic... and even Poland - which only 30 years ago used to be a less welcoming place. Many times if I check in and see the somewhat cold face of the hotel employer looking at my American passport I just point out that I wasn't born in the States (according the passport).
So that also means, Americans did screw up quite a bit to lose so much popularity.
I think, the least welcoming place for Russians is not even Kosovo - that goes to Romania. What is funny because precisely Romanians had the least Russian/Soviet influence. But it seems, getting Transylvania for free is not enough, they need Moldova, Beijing and Jakarta, too.
Wait, aren't Romanians your closest kin somehow? So much similarity... that Daco-Romanian madness is the twin of Albano-Illyrian one.
Just don't expect gratitude.
(Bloody Mary, 19 August 2011 15:17)
This is a Serbian side, dude. There are/were rather sympathetic Albanians who are given respect.
Unfortunately sick trolls - probably by intent(?) - did chase them away. At this point it is a place where one writes if one is frustrated. Congratulation to the achieved, that's the way to go.
good point, Peggy! a lot of russian women are playing in the "premier league" of the model-biz, while as far as I can remember it, there is not much left of the glorious, and of course breathtakingly looking "ill-yrian" women..
there is just one single more or less attractive albanian woman in the film-industry, Eliza Dushku, and she´s more of a b-movie actress ( rather low-level horror-movies like "wrong turn" for example )
so, the bottom-line is: as soon as an Albanian starts writing about unwanted russian tourists, it gets just funny.
thank god the Russians are known for being tourists and not for primitive clan-connections and drug/ or what is even worse, organ-trafficking!
there are others in Europe, who are being connected with these horrible crimes.
and now, finally, to Mr.Pacolli and his alleged "success", isn´t it amusing for you Albanians, that these "recognitions" seem to be always announced to come from small island-states that are under US-influence? I mean, don´t you see a pattern here? or do you really believe in the "genius" of this albanian businessman?
I can only repeat what I have written a few times here: the number of little statelets is limited, and it rather looks like those were influenced long before, and only come forward with their socalled "recognitions" from time to time, when they get the order to do so. so, keep cool, kids! they are acting "as if" - but in reality it is very likely that all this is simply orchestrated and only good to caress the albanian soul and make it look as if there were some "new" recognitions achieved, ...if that is not only believed by naive k-albanian kiddies at all.
now I wish you all a nice weekend, my dear k-albanian friends. perhaps you can inform about your "hero" in the Hague... you know this simple guy, nightclub-bouncer and criminal who is currently spending some time behind bars...
that would be interesting to see what those witnesses are saying, those who he was not able to kill before testifying.
Great. Now I want to see a single country on the planet Earth where Albanians are welcome as visitors.
Knowing the number (zero) it should be a very-very tough feeling. There is no other group like that.
But Pacolli does a damn good job to get you some relief from that feeling.
well, Great......
Keep going but It's worthless, unless you can pursue, Russia and China and the 5 EU country's.
Wich I think You never will, So NO UN and EU for Kosova...
Albanians are welcome in Croatia,Montenegro,Albania,Slovenia,italy etc. All this countrys recognize Kosovo as an independent state. This countrys dosent't recognize Serbia as Serbia wants.
(Demi, 18 August 2011 18:40)
Albanians being welcome in these countries sounds like a joke. You can maybe tell that joke to an average American who never was in the area. Just sit on any train and bus... and listen to S***R jokes in Croatia.
Interestingly, Croats seem to be less tolerant to the fact, Albanians have all the bakeries in Croatia than Serbs or Hungarians for the same. So you should rather mention Serbia or Hungary where you are more welcome.
---
in every country in the world welcomed tourist are the reacheast ones. Same was with you in Kosova.
(Gyorg Ilyrian, 18 August 2011 18:34)
This is not always the case. Example: Ukrainians are less well-off than most K-Albanians who travel. Ask anyone on the Dalmatian coast, whom they want to see. Or Poles.
Serbs by now can only visit Greece for holiday. Soon not even Greece since Greece will recognize Kosovo in an near future. Greece already got good relations with Kosovo. Albanians are welcome in Croatia,Montenegro,Albania,Slovenia,italy etc. All this countrys recognize Kosovo as an independent state. This countrys dosent't recognize Serbia as Serbia wants.
Recognitions don't come cheap Ian. A few million dollars stuffed in a suitcase usually does the job.
(Janez-Beograd, 18 August 2011 15:31)
What can we do man? If we had a big state owned gas company we will give it to Gazprom for free and get the russian recognition also.Unless you serbs do the same.Oh wait, you already did.
Pacolli just stated that more than 15 countries will recognize the independence of Kosovo the next days, among them the biggest African country, Nigeria. Yesterday Pacolli had dinner with Nigeria´s President Goodluck Jonathan.
Pacolli is doing a great job.
Ataman wrote:"I want to see a single country on the planet Earth where Albanians are welcome as visitors". Gyorg, in every country in the world welcomed tourist are the reacheast ones. Same was with you in Kosova.
Great. Now I want to see a single country on the planet Earth where Albanians are welcome as visitors.
Knowing the number (zero) it should be a very-very tough feeling. There is no other group like that.
But Pacolli does a damn good job to get you some relief from that feeling.
(Ataman, 18 August 2011 16:49)
Do I sense despair in your comment? 41,5% of the UN members have recognized Kosovo! And please show me one place in the world where Russians are welcome (except for Serbia of course). Once a hotel in Turkey is known for harboring Russian tourists every other guest will avoid it.
I remembered a recent statement by Oliver Ivanovic, who said that: "If Kosovo is recognized by 80 countries, then I'm afraid that it can not be stopped"? What he will say now, I do not care?
Is it because Jeremic did not visit these last three African countries?
If only he had known :)
And for those who claim for these recognitions to be a result of bribery, good job Kosova! If Serbia can't secure "few million" dollars to protect its "Jerusalem", then what else can Serbia do? Either way this is very encouraging.
Recognitions don't come cheap Ian. A few million dollars stuffed in a suitcase usually does the job.
(Janez-Beograd, 18 August 2011 15:31)
Lets be practical here. If it costs Russia US$50 Million to get Nauru to recognise Abkhazia and South Ossetia, how much will it have cost to get Benin, Niger and Guinea to recognise Kosovo? It'd be in the billions to get these three to recognise. Who is paying for it? Pacolli only has a few billion himself so he can't afford this. The West is low on cash right now there they can't afford this either. Who is paying for these recognitions?
Just face it, these recognitions are down to successful lobbying and the gradual acceptance of Kosovo's independence.
Congratulations that Benin is giving Kosovo the recognition it wants. Personally I encourage pro-independence Kosovars to celebrate (the way you know how) anytime Kosovo is being recognized as a foreign country. You people should carpe diem (Latin for "seize the day")if you know what I mean.
And please show me one place in the world where Russians are welcome (except for Serbia of course). Once a hotel in Turkey is known for harboring Russian tourists every other guest will avoid it.
(Bloody Mary, 18 August 2011 19:22)
Hey, Bloody Mary - the grapes are sour in Rahoveci valley lately - or you did not learn from Serbs how to make a good Vranac?
Here is the list: Germany, Italy, France, Croatia, Greece, Cyprus, Spain, China, Belarus, Ukraine, Georgia (yes, Georgia). And of course Bulgaria where everything is named after "tsar, who gave us freedom". And of course Armenia.
Georgia is one of the "worst" from the point of view that once a Russian tourist is singled out - he is often INVTED to stay with locals FOR FREE. I am not kidding.
From my own experience: Germany, Italy, France, Croatia, Greece, Belgium/NL, Slovakia, Czech Republic... and even Poland - which only 30 years ago used to be a less welcoming place. Many times if I check in and see the somewhat cold face of the hotel employer looking at my American passport I just point out that I wasn't born in the States (according the passport).
So that also means, Americans did screw up quite a bit to lose so much popularity.
I think, the least welcoming place for Russians is not even Kosovo - that goes to Romania. What is funny because precisely Romanians had the least Russian/Soviet influence. But it seems, getting Transylvania for free is not enough, they need Moldova, Beijing and Jakarta, too.
Wait, aren't Romanians your closest kin somehow? So much similarity... that Daco-Romanian madness is the twin of Albano-Illyrian one.
good point, Peggy! a lot of russian women are playing in the "premier league" of the model-biz, while as far as I can remember it, there is not much left of the glorious, and of course breathtakingly looking "ill-yrian" women..
there is just one single more or less attractive albanian woman in the film-industry, Eliza Dushku, and she´s more of a b-movie actress ( rather low-level horror-movies like "wrong turn" for example )
so, the bottom-line is: as soon as an Albanian starts writing about unwanted russian tourists, it gets just funny.
thank god the Russians are known for being tourists and not for primitive clan-connections and drug/ or what is even worse, organ-trafficking!
there are others in Europe, who are being connected with these horrible crimes.
and now, finally, to Mr.Pacolli and his alleged "success", isn´t it amusing for you Albanians, that these "recognitions" seem to be always announced to come from small island-states that are under US-influence? I mean, don´t you see a pattern here? or do you really believe in the "genius" of this albanian businessman?
I can only repeat what I have written a few times here: the number of little statelets is limited, and it rather looks like those were influenced long before, and only come forward with their socalled "recognitions" from time to time, when they get the order to do so. so, keep cool, kids! they are acting "as if" - but in reality it is very likely that all this is simply orchestrated and only good to caress the albanian soul and make it look as if there were some "new" recognitions achieved, ...if that is not only believed by naive k-albanian kiddies at all.
now I wish you all a nice weekend, my dear k-albanian friends. perhaps you can inform about your "hero" in the Hague... you know this simple guy, nightclub-bouncer and criminal who is currently spending some time behind bars...
that would be interesting to see what those witnesses are saying, those who he was not able to kill before testifying.
Do I sense despair in your comment? 41,5% of the UN members have recognized Kosovo! And please show me one place in the world where Russians are welcome (except for Serbia of course). Once a hotel in Turkey is known for harboring Russian tourists every other guest will avoid it.
(Bloody Mary, 18 August 2011 19:22
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Can you back that up with some evidence? I didn't think so.
I wonder how many Albanian women western men marry compared to Russian women.
Just don't expect gratitude.
(Bloody Mary, 19 August 2011 15:17)
This is a Serbian side, dude. There are/were rather sympathetic Albanians who are given respect.
Unfortunately sick trolls - probably by intent(?) - did chase them away. At this point it is a place where one writes if one is frustrated. Congratulation to the achieved, that's the way to go.
So Albanian and Romanian have a lot of similarities for only that the oldest nations in Balkans are Albanians and Romanians. By the way, what's wrong with romanians?
(Mihaly Ilyrian, 19 August 2011 08:42)
Same thing: they want to prove what can't be proven. And set up ridiculous theories about ethnic origin - to justify simple land theft.
As for people I not only have zero problem - so far I did not see a single Romanian whom I did not like.
The big difference between Albanians and Romanians: to the people I met I can say straight what I think about Daco-Roman rubbish. They can take it and do not regard as personal insult.
For Albanians any disagreement with their view is regarded as a personal insult.
Ataman wrote: “Wait, aren't Romanians your closest kin somehow?" No, they are not our kin, but as you go deeper in the past/history, and then you will find common phenomena with entire nations, like language! So Albanian and Romanian have a lot of similarities for only that the oldest nations in Balkans are Albanians and Romanians. By the way, what's wrong with romanians?
And Russia already has NIS.
(Amer, 18 August 2011 20:34)
My opinion about all this "recognition" circus is completely different and quite unusual. For the better part it is just that - a circus for the sheep. Sheep is pleased. Fine. I am pleased to a certain degree, too.
But expecting Russia to vote for Kosovo is somewhat more than optimistic regardless of NIS.
Pacoli has informed that 14 countries of The Caribian Union has decided to recognize Kosova too!
The recognitions will come from each of this countries in the ours and days to come soon!
Thank You Caribia!
94 is the number for now and still moving up !!!
"Serbia, however, rejected it as an illegal act of secession of its southern province, and the territory has not been able to join the United Nations".
How can the territory "not be able to join the UN" when that territory has not applied to be a member of UN ?!
African countries were holding off on recognizing Kosovo until the South Sudan vote on independence because they didn't want to be seen to be actively encouraging secession. Now that South Sudan is independent and a member of the UN, they can act on Kosovo without looking like they're interfering in another African country's internal affairs.
It only takes a simple majority of the General Assembly (193/2 + 1) to gain observer status, which would give Kosovo a better base from which to argue for full membership. (And no more objections from Jeremic about "why are those people here?!") As for those SC vetoes, China's judge left the ICJ proceedings without voting or writing a separate opinion - I don't think you can rely on more than an abstention from them. (It hasn't been their style in the past to use their veto, anyway. And they'll hold onto Taiwan and Tibet regardless of what happens with Kosovo.) And Russia already has NIS.
Mihaly
Do not pay attention to what he writes. Always remember that: The one who will laugh at you, is the one who has been laughed at.
Even Russia does not want him.
If this is your reaction than you have a mighty inferiority complex. Probably that inferiority complex is the answer to the question.
(Ataman, 19 August 2011 13:41)
At first I didn't dare to answer because I feel soooo inferior to you. But after a careful self-diagnosis I discovered that I am actually fine, but thanks for the concern. Actually I think it is rather your megalomania that is the problem. But as long as it keeps you both happy. Just don't expect gratitude.
This is a Serbian side, dude. There are/were rather sympathetic Albanians who are given respect.
Unfortunately sick trolls - probably by intent(?) - did chase them away. At this point it is a place where one writes if one is frustrated. Congratulation to the achieved, that's the way to go.
(Ataman, 19 August 2011 15:49)
Boy, where do I start?
Regarding the Serbian "side": Since when is English the official language of Serbia? Obviously the intended target audience of this website is the English speaking community.
Regarding "the sick trolls": Has it ever crossed your mind that you might be the reason why "sympathetic Albanians" have left this site? Because since we are frank with each other: You are feeding on negative energy. I don't know why but if one would care enough to go through the archives the number of offensive comments you have written is neither beaten by Jovan nor Peggy. At least something you have achieved...
Regarding "this is the place where ones writes when one is frustrated": I thought this was a place were more or less grown-ups exchange their points of view, regardless whether one agrees or not.
Regarding the "congratulations": What the heck are you talking about???
Same thing: they want to prove what can't be proven. And set up ridiculous theories about ethnic origin - to justify simple land theft.
As for people I not only have zero problem - so far I did not see a single Romanian whom I did not like.
The big difference between Albanians and Romanians: to the people I met I can say straight what I think about Daco-Roman rubbish. They can take it and do not regard as personal insult.
(Ataman, 19 August 2011 12:44)
You are fully correct... The only thing that it is a fact proven by science is that the first form of life in Kosovo (and in the whole Earth) was bacteria hundreds of millions of years ago. Then other forms of life stole bacteria's Kosovo land over the years until arriving at the current thiefs, i.e. the Albanians.
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