Deputy PM: We knew about EU conditions

Tani B,
Why do you keep refering to 'Kosova'?
Kosova are Bantu speaking people who inhabit the Kissii District of Nyanza province, in Western Kenya.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/249756/Gusii
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Kosovo/kosova.html
http://www.kenyabook.com/kisii.html
We are talking about Serbia here, not Kenya. Please stay on topic. If you are refering to the Cradle of Serbian civilization, then I believe you are talking about Kosovo :).

Cheers!!

What a irresponsible official. Basically saying "yeah, we know for a while now...." you my friend are not doing the job you were assigned to do properly. You are being paid by Serbian tax payers to lie to them. All of the Dyes should be thrown in jail once convicted of treason.

An entire cleansing process needs to get underway in all of Serbia's institutions. Until then, Serbia will come second to foreign interests by the same people Serbs are paying to run their country.

As for the Albs on this site who are gloating of the ban the criminals south of the Ibar put on products from Serbia...you are only making it worse for your OWN POPULATION. The only people that benefit off this is Montenegro, Macedonia, Croatia ect. who found new trade opportunities with these criminals. Your people above all will feel the affects of this "embargo".

And furthermore, you are only getting these concessions from Serbia because our country is under occupation to foreign viceroys who get generous aid from their masters, not for the benefit of the country..but for the sake of winning campaigns.

If Serbia went through a anti corruption revolution and got rid of any government official or tycoon that was violating the Constitution then Serbia's attitude towards the criminals in the south of occupied Serbia would also change.

Serbia should...(and will when Dyes is in prison)

-Arm EVERY single Serbian family in Kosovo. (North & south of Ibar) Have a full time army standing at the checkpoints between free Serbia and occupied Serbia (although really both are occupied).

-Withdraw from negotiations until K.Albs have legitimate political representatives that are not criminals (that'll be a hard one)

-Amend the constitution to "accept reality" and state that Kosovo south of the Ibar is officially occupied territory but that North Kosovo, Strpce and Gracanica will not be seen as occupied and fully 100% integrated into Belgrade institutions.

-Default on all ECB, World Bank and IMF loans. State the reason for this is the forces that run these institutions are anti Serbian and we should not take their money anymore. Find other money options (which are now out there)

I repeat, ARM EVERY SERB FAMILY IN KOSOVO. Every Serb needs to have a firearm on them at all times. It should be illegal to walk out the house WITHOUT a fire arm. No more living in ghettos in our historic land. If any Alb or international tries to take away your guns...God help them.

We don't need the West either. For the industries you want to stay in Serbia you just wait until the hype has died down and you lower taxes for those specific industries. Everything else can be found elsewhere our East. The crumbling Western BS empire is not needed anymore, we just have to arrest our Dyes occupiers to see that.

The West has already proven they are against us these past few months. Its concession after concession they have taken everything from us. We have nothing to lose than to slowly get it all back.

Nema Predaje

Delic should know that Kosovo also has ''red lines'' it cannot cross. Kosovo has nothing to loose since most EU countrys recognize Kosovo and its border. Kosovo also recognize the borders of Serbia. So Kosovo in no way has a problem since it has offered good neighbourly relations with Serbia. It is Serbia who puts demands and dosent want good neghbourly relations with Kosovo. Serbia knowes very well that it has lost Kosovo and now is fully functional recognized by 22 out of 27 EU member states.


Serbia will never be an EU member since Kosovo will never accept any solutions to problems wich goes against the Kosovo constituion and the 'red lines' of Kosovo.

Serbia can use the stmp Unmik-Serbia but can never decide for Kosovo to use that stamp. We offered Serbia back in july to take away the word republic from the stamp and only use Kosovo custom but Serbia refused to that solution. That is why Kosovo was forced to put reciprocity mesuers against Serbia. The problems in north Kosovo started with Serbia refusal to solutions.

No compromise where Kosovo loses its statehood. If Serbia wants to use the stamp Unmik-Serbia it can do that. We will never use Unmik-Kosovo or Unmik-Eulex etc. This is childish games since Serbia has lost Kosovo forever!

Things should remain as they are.
However waiting is not an option that the K-albanians have.

Kosovo is currently a prision.
It has a 50% unemployment rate and arond 30% of its population live below the poverty line!
And now their stopping imports from Serbia??
This will only increase the hardship.
Kosovo is a black hole!

I just feel sorry for the Serbs in the north who are forced to live with these criminals.

The European crisis will get tougher in fall as we all know...so Serbia will desperately need money and investment...so de-facto will recognize THE LOSS OF KOSOVO if Eu will give them some money and operate to facilitate IMF loans ...as i always said the deal is clear Kosovo IS IMPORTANT FOR SERBS BECAUSE HAS A PRIZE...

"We are talking about Serbia here, not Kenya. Please stay on topic. If you are refering to the Cradle of Serbian civilization, then I believe you are talking about Kosovo :).

Cheers!!
(Dragan, "

No real difference between the kenyans and Serbians in europe to us.
Sorry kenya :(

And the cradle of your civilization is in the Baltic at best. It is your own history you are ignoring.

Good luck sorting through your grandfathers delusions to come to turn with that you are just another Slavic people out of the 360 million nomads.

All we are asking is sort out your internal conflicts and leave us alone baltic speaking people! Leave the autochthones alone ;)

Serbia never has had Kosova so with that said the did not loose Kosova.
With the refusing of the new reality Serbia is only loosin more and more right for the minority of Serbs that live in free Kosova. If you know any magician that can turn back time maybe there is a chance for Serbia to get his wish. Forget Kosova and get on with your lives all you Serbian politicians are doing using Kosova left and right and I have no doubt that deep inside of you all know that the fairytale of Kosova is not going to be on your future bookstores.

So, Mr. Đelić, what you are saying is that your party was always in favor of giving away KiM in order to gain entrance into the EU? And, how is this good for me or any other Serbian citizen? This sounds more like a country club fee for our fat wealthy politicians.

Tani B,
Why do you keep refering to 'Kosova'?
Kosova are Bantu speaking people who inhabit the Kissii District of Nyanza province, in Western Kenya.
[link]
[link]
[link]
We are talking about Serbia here, not Kenya. Please stay on topic. If you are refering to the Cradle of Serbian civilization, then I believe you are talking about Kosovo :).

Cheers!!
(Dragan, 17 August 2011 14:50)


why do you use kosovo to describe the region? serbs didnt choose that, The Ottomans named it that, and no they hadnt asked anyone if it was okay... and no, the "metohija" serbs like to add to it doesnt quite help either, thats a word derived from greek.

speaking of staying on topic... the cradle of serbian civilization? thats odd, serbs existed long before setting foot and squatting for a short time in the area now known as kosovo. You seem to have several hundred miles of geography confused with something else.

so you are talking about TODAYS Serbia? then please do stay on topic... while Kosovo was a un protectorate, Serbia new found state was admitted into the UN and todays Serbia has never held it at all.

Cheers!

sigh..

Serbia refused to make any further legal challenge to kosovo's independence and Officially Responded to the ICJ's ruling by signing off an agreement with the EU that they would sit down and speak with Kosovo.

There are no 3rd parties involved in these talks... they are all on the outskirts... serbia is speaking directly WITH kosovo... The serb govt. and media can avoid that word like acid if they wish... replace it with "pristina" to make it easier to swallow.

But they ARE talking none other to Kosovo. What dont serbs understand?

"solutions, suggestions, compromises" ....these are all b.s. keywords used for propagandist consumption.

what a Bizarre situation serbia has created for itself.
What it wants to do, what it needs to do... it cannot do.

the republic of serbia CANNOT sit down with kosovo... and insist that they pretend they are not who they are.

It becomes easy to see why serb apologists would much rather create fantastical fiction regarding talks... the reality is much to uncomfortable.

-Arm EVERY single Serbian family in Kosovo. (North & south of Ibar) Have a full time army standing at the checkpoints between free Serbia and occupied Serbia (although really both are occupied).
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2011 22:15)

And then what ? What are they going to do with the army ? Waste taxpayers’ money ?



-Withdraw from negotiations until K.Albs have legitimate political representatives that are not criminals (that'll be a hard one)
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2011 22:15)

They are all criminals ! No ? So no further negations. Serbia does not accept Kosovo’s stamps (which according to UN are in line with 1244 and CEFTA) and Kosovo does not accept Serbia’s. This status quo will remain.



-Amend the constitution to "accept reality" and state that Kosovo south of the Ibar is officially occupied territory but that North Kosovo, Strpce and Gracanica will not be seen as occupied and fully 100% integrated into Belgrade institutions.
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2011 22:15)

If you want, you can write in the Constitution that Moon is officially occupied territory but that the Oceanus Procellarum region will not be seen as occupied and fully 100% integrated into Belgrade institutions. Unfortunately, Serbia’s constitution similarly to the other countries’ constitution doesn’t get implemented simply because something is written there. You need the people to actually implement them.



-Default on all ECB, World Bank and IMF loans. State the reason for this is the forces that run these institutions are anti Serbian and we should not take their money anymore. Find other money options (which are now out there)
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2011 22:15)

Dude, money and friendship don’t go together. China and US may not be precisely frieds, but business between the two goes well...



I repeat, ARM EVERY SERB FAMILY IN KOSOVO. Every Serb needs to have a firearm on them at all times. It should be illegal to walk out the house WITHOUT a fire arm. No more living in ghettos in our historic land. If any Alb or international tries to take away your guns...God help them.
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2011 22:15)

You may repeat it thousands times if that makes you happy…



We don't need the West either. For the industries you want to stay in Serbia you just wait until the hype has died down and you lower taxes for those specific industries. Everything else can be found elsewhere our East. The crumbling Western BS empire is not needed anymore, we just have to arrest our Dyes occupiers to see that.
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2011 22:15)

You need to convince the Serb people about that; for example to follow the Chinese fashion instead of the Western one. That’s not something you can force with the state.



The West has already proven they are against us these past few months. Its concession after concession they have taken everything from us. We have nothing to lose than to slowly get it all back.
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2011 22:15)

Get back what ?

Serbia never has had Kosova so with that said the did not loose Kosova.
With the refusing of the new reality Serbia is only loosin more and more right for the minority of Serbs that live in free Kosova. If you know any magician that can turn back time maybe there is a chance for Serbia to get his wish. Forget Kosova and get on with your lives all you Serbian politicians are doing using Kosova left and right and I have no doubt that deep inside of you all know that the fairytale of Kosova is not going to be on your future bookstores.

Delic should know that Kosovo also has ''red lines'' it cannot cross. Kosovo has nothing to loose since most EU countrys recognize Kosovo and its border. Kosovo also recognize the borders of Serbia. So Kosovo in no way has a problem since it has offered good neighbourly relations with Serbia. It is Serbia who puts demands and dosent want good neghbourly relations with Kosovo. Serbia knowes very well that it has lost Kosovo and now is fully functional recognized by 22 out of 27 EU member states.


Serbia will never be an EU member since Kosovo will never accept any solutions to problems wich goes against the Kosovo constituion and the 'red lines' of Kosovo.

Serbia can use the stmp Unmik-Serbia but can never decide for Kosovo to use that stamp. We offered Serbia back in july to take away the word republic from the stamp and only use Kosovo custom but Serbia refused to that solution. That is why Kosovo was forced to put reciprocity mesuers against Serbia. The problems in north Kosovo started with Serbia refusal to solutions.

No compromise where Kosovo loses its statehood. If Serbia wants to use the stamp Unmik-Serbia it can do that. We will never use Unmik-Kosovo or Unmik-Eulex etc. This is childish games since Serbia has lost Kosovo forever!

Tani B,
Why do you keep refering to 'Kosova'?
Kosova are Bantu speaking people who inhabit the Kissii District of Nyanza province, in Western Kenya.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/249756/Gusii
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Kosovo/kosova.html
http://www.kenyabook.com/kisii.html
We are talking about Serbia here, not Kenya. Please stay on topic. If you are refering to the Cradle of Serbian civilization, then I believe you are talking about Kosovo :).

Cheers!!

The European crisis will get tougher in fall as we all know...so Serbia will desperately need money and investment...so de-facto will recognize THE LOSS OF KOSOVO if Eu will give them some money and operate to facilitate IMF loans ...as i always said the deal is clear Kosovo IS IMPORTANT FOR SERBS BECAUSE HAS A PRIZE...

"We are talking about Serbia here, not Kenya. Please stay on topic. If you are refering to the Cradle of Serbian civilization, then I believe you are talking about Kosovo :).

Cheers!!
(Dragan, "

No real difference between the kenyans and Serbians in europe to us.
Sorry kenya :(

And the cradle of your civilization is in the Baltic at best. It is your own history you are ignoring.

Good luck sorting through your grandfathers delusions to come to turn with that you are just another Slavic people out of the 360 million nomads.

All we are asking is sort out your internal conflicts and leave us alone baltic speaking people! Leave the autochthones alone ;)

Things should remain as they are.
However waiting is not an option that the K-albanians have.

Kosovo is currently a prision.
It has a 50% unemployment rate and arond 30% of its population live below the poverty line!
And now their stopping imports from Serbia??
This will only increase the hardship.
Kosovo is a black hole!

I just feel sorry for the Serbs in the north who are forced to live with these criminals.

What a irresponsible official. Basically saying "yeah, we know for a while now...." you my friend are not doing the job you were assigned to do properly. You are being paid by Serbian tax payers to lie to them. All of the Dyes should be thrown in jail once convicted of treason.

An entire cleansing process needs to get underway in all of Serbia's institutions. Until then, Serbia will come second to foreign interests by the same people Serbs are paying to run their country.

As for the Albs on this site who are gloating of the ban the criminals south of the Ibar put on products from Serbia...you are only making it worse for your OWN POPULATION. The only people that benefit off this is Montenegro, Macedonia, Croatia ect. who found new trade opportunities with these criminals. Your people above all will feel the affects of this "embargo".

And furthermore, you are only getting these concessions from Serbia because our country is under occupation to foreign viceroys who get generous aid from their masters, not for the benefit of the country..but for the sake of winning campaigns.

If Serbia went through a anti corruption revolution and got rid of any government official or tycoon that was violating the Constitution then Serbia's attitude towards the criminals in the south of occupied Serbia would also change.

Serbia should...(and will when Dyes is in prison)

-Arm EVERY single Serbian family in Kosovo. (North & south of Ibar) Have a full time army standing at the checkpoints between free Serbia and occupied Serbia (although really both are occupied).

-Withdraw from negotiations until K.Albs have legitimate political representatives that are not criminals (that'll be a hard one)

-Amend the constitution to "accept reality" and state that Kosovo south of the Ibar is officially occupied territory but that North Kosovo, Strpce and Gracanica will not be seen as occupied and fully 100% integrated into Belgrade institutions.

-Default on all ECB, World Bank and IMF loans. State the reason for this is the forces that run these institutions are anti Serbian and we should not take their money anymore. Find other money options (which are now out there)

I repeat, ARM EVERY SERB FAMILY IN KOSOVO. Every Serb needs to have a firearm on them at all times. It should be illegal to walk out the house WITHOUT a fire arm. No more living in ghettos in our historic land. If any Alb or international tries to take away your guns...God help them.

We don't need the West either. For the industries you want to stay in Serbia you just wait until the hype has died down and you lower taxes for those specific industries. Everything else can be found elsewhere our East. The crumbling Western BS empire is not needed anymore, we just have to arrest our Dyes occupiers to see that.

The West has already proven they are against us these past few months. Its concession after concession they have taken everything from us. We have nothing to lose than to slowly get it all back.

Nema Predaje

Tani B,
Why do you keep refering to 'Kosova'?
Kosova are Bantu speaking people who inhabit the Kissii District of Nyanza province, in Western Kenya.
[link]
[link]
[link]
We are talking about Serbia here, not Kenya. Please stay on topic. If you are refering to the Cradle of Serbian civilization, then I believe you are talking about Kosovo :).

Cheers!!
(Dragan, 17 August 2011 14:50)


why do you use kosovo to describe the region? serbs didnt choose that, The Ottomans named it that, and no they hadnt asked anyone if it was okay... and no, the "metohija" serbs like to add to it doesnt quite help either, thats a word derived from greek.

speaking of staying on topic... the cradle of serbian civilization? thats odd, serbs existed long before setting foot and squatting for a short time in the area now known as kosovo. You seem to have several hundred miles of geography confused with something else.

so you are talking about TODAYS Serbia? then please do stay on topic... while Kosovo was a un protectorate, Serbia new found state was admitted into the UN and todays Serbia has never held it at all.

Cheers!

sigh..

Serbia refused to make any further legal challenge to kosovo's independence and Officially Responded to the ICJ's ruling by signing off an agreement with the EU that they would sit down and speak with Kosovo.

There are no 3rd parties involved in these talks... they are all on the outskirts... serbia is speaking directly WITH kosovo... The serb govt. and media can avoid that word like acid if they wish... replace it with "pristina" to make it easier to swallow.

But they ARE talking none other to Kosovo. What dont serbs understand?

"solutions, suggestions, compromises" ....these are all b.s. keywords used for propagandist consumption.

what a Bizarre situation serbia has created for itself.
What it wants to do, what it needs to do... it cannot do.

the republic of serbia CANNOT sit down with kosovo... and insist that they pretend they are not who they are.

It becomes easy to see why serb apologists would much rather create fantastical fiction regarding talks... the reality is much to uncomfortable.

So, Mr. Đelić, what you are saying is that your party was always in favor of giving away KiM in order to gain entrance into the EU? And, how is this good for me or any other Serbian citizen? This sounds more like a country club fee for our fat wealthy politicians.

-Arm EVERY single Serbian family in Kosovo. (North & south of Ibar) Have a full time army standing at the checkpoints between free Serbia and occupied Serbia (although really both are occupied).
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2011 22:15)

And then what ? What are they going to do with the army ? Waste taxpayers’ money ?



-Withdraw from negotiations until K.Albs have legitimate political representatives that are not criminals (that'll be a hard one)
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2011 22:15)

They are all criminals ! No ? So no further negations. Serbia does not accept Kosovo’s stamps (which according to UN are in line with 1244 and CEFTA) and Kosovo does not accept Serbia’s. This status quo will remain.



-Amend the constitution to "accept reality" and state that Kosovo south of the Ibar is officially occupied territory but that North Kosovo, Strpce and Gracanica will not be seen as occupied and fully 100% integrated into Belgrade institutions.
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2011 22:15)

If you want, you can write in the Constitution that Moon is officially occupied territory but that the Oceanus Procellarum region will not be seen as occupied and fully 100% integrated into Belgrade institutions. Unfortunately, Serbia’s constitution similarly to the other countries’ constitution doesn’t get implemented simply because something is written there. You need the people to actually implement them.



-Default on all ECB, World Bank and IMF loans. State the reason for this is the forces that run these institutions are anti Serbian and we should not take their money anymore. Find other money options (which are now out there)
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2011 22:15)

Dude, money and friendship don’t go together. China and US may not be precisely frieds, but business between the two goes well...



I repeat, ARM EVERY SERB FAMILY IN KOSOVO. Every Serb needs to have a firearm on them at all times. It should be illegal to walk out the house WITHOUT a fire arm. No more living in ghettos in our historic land. If any Alb or international tries to take away your guns...God help them.
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2011 22:15)

You may repeat it thousands times if that makes you happy…



We don't need the West either. For the industries you want to stay in Serbia you just wait until the hype has died down and you lower taxes for those specific industries. Everything else can be found elsewhere our East. The crumbling Western BS empire is not needed anymore, we just have to arrest our Dyes occupiers to see that.
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2011 22:15)

You need to convince the Serb people about that; for example to follow the Chinese fashion instead of the Western one. That’s not something you can force with the state.



The West has already proven they are against us these past few months. Its concession after concession they have taken everything from us. We have nothing to lose than to slowly get it all back.
(Ari Gold, 17 August 2011 22:15)

Get back what ?