Press: Intl. community proposes autonomy for N. Kosovo

"Read the Ahtisaari plan, it has 'substantial autonomy"
Ahtisaari

Did the Serbs agree to the Ahtisari plan? No!!! So it's not valid.

International (read West) dictating to Thaci Mafiocracy to go beyond the western deceit of Ahtisarri plan but let's not mention "status" because we lie that status is final and has been determined. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck...

Clearly this is a full admission that status quo beyond 2008 continued and status is still to be negotiated - oh what a tangled web we weave.......

Serbia will continue to defy till it's sovereignty is completely respected - nema predaje!

In the picture, is this the border crossing the Albos want control of? It looks like the crossing in Chihuahua, Mexico into Santa Rosa, where 2 cars and 3 rattle snakes cross daily. Get a life, Pristina, and take care of larger problems, like feeding your Albo citizens.

Ian talks of nobody wanting Kosovo divided along ethnic lines, as if Kosovo hasn't already been divided along those very same lines. Out of a population of 40.000, how many Serbs now live in Pristina. You could count them on one hand. Where else in Kosovo do albanians live alongside minorities. Don't insult our intelligence. The Albanians are incapable of living side by side with anybody. The north will eventually join the rest of Serbia. It is the will of the local population.

Ah, the Ahtesaari plan where future generations of kosovo albanian can take their children up north to the zoo and feed the serbs through the bars or even see a few of them in the wild south of the Ibar, though they will only be allowed to scare but not shoot them.

The ínternational community' needs to keep a few serbs to spin the multi-ethnic myth that sells so well to the humanitarian intervention crowd. Serbs in Pristina's control live in daily fear and have to be careful of what they say to whom, not so different from the Serbs in new and improved' European Croatia.

Either way, these are just words from the west. They mean nothing unless they are fully implemented and the west's record of fully implenting anything the balkans without changing, manipulating and spinning out of recognition any agreement is woeful.

Like the 'Ahtesaari Plan'' which calls for special zones (ghettos, camps of special purpose for the troublesome serbs), it is not worth the paper it is written on because kosovo albanians will not implement it in any meaningful manner and their backers won't care.


For Ahtesaari, read Potemkin.

This is stupid because it assumes Kosovo is a country. I think Serbia will keep the North and work out some sort of just split for the remainder of Kosovo. The goal should be that no side gets everything it wants and that each side gets something. This way, no side will be 100% happy. That's how negotiations go!

Albo stole Kosovo and now think they are being so good by giving Serbs autonomy in their own country. If it was not so tragic, it would be funny. They did not want to live w/Serbs in Serbia, but they want to force Serbs to live in, so called, independent Kosovo. What? Somebody's head is screwed up or they been smoking somthing. Go feed the hungry people that suffer because of Pristina's gang and their western advisers who do not care for people that are dying of hunger, as long as their needs are met.

Very soon intl. community will have to proposes autonomy for Sandzak and other parts of Serbia too, or people living there will start asking questions.

ivan

Don't forget Northern Epirus in south Albania. They want autonomy too or even independence.
Don't flatter yourself. The west can't wait to get rid of the balkan headake. You actually think they have nothing better to do then to care for poor balkan people and their territorial aspirations? They would care less about you and the rest of your cracker palls.

If politicians in the West would be honest, they would admit that the (good) idea of a multiethnic democratic Kosovo has miserably failed. It's multi-ethnic only on paper, democratic? Well, look at the latest 'elections' and you know it isn't. Democracy won't work in clan-based societies, you see it in Afganistan, you see it in Kosovo.

Proposing autonomy is only a step to the solution, which would be partition (i.e. North is joining Serbia, South is joining Albania). Everybody would win this way, except for the corrupt Pristina politicans which would loose their jobs (and, more important, loose their influence to keep the mafia business running).

"So why K-Alb will make these moves when they get nothing in return?"
Mirel from Albania

Because your sugar daddy says so. You need to understand that without the West you have nothing. And I mean nothing!

If the international community believe that Kosovo will become another Bosnia, then they dreaming. This will never happen. Ahtisaari package is the best for Albanians and Serbs.

The end game is BiH internal division or final partition of KiM. Many years from now, the K-Alb parts will be with Albania and the K-Serb parts will be with Serbia again.

Did the Serbs agree to the Ahtisari plan? No!!! So it's not valid.
(MikeC, 13 August 2011 15:04)


Did albanian agree to the serbian constitution? No!!! So it's not valid.

Kosovo, north or south will never be serbian. It would be easier for the moon to become serbian. I don't like the idea of autonomy for northern Kosovo but it's the best serbs there could get. All based on the constituion of Kosovo and the Ahtisaari Plan.


Kosovo is independent now and Serbia should realise that fact. It's not realistic for Kosovo to become Serbia as many serbs dream of. It will never happend!!

I like the way B92's comment moderator has changed and edited my comment.

Ok if serbs get authonomy in North,what Kosova gets in return?
Serbia has said that even if they agree with albanians about partition or exchanged territories Serbia will not recognised Kosova.
So why K-Alb will make these moves when they get nothing in return?

The northen of Kosovo need an (OLLUJA 2)!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very soon intl. community will have to proposes autonomy for Sandzak and other parts of Serbia too, or people living there will start asking questions.

Aleks-all true.

So why K-Alb will make these moves when they get nothing in return?
(Mirel from Albania, 13 August 2011 16:45)

Because K-Alb had nothing when they got started,they have worse than nothing now,and they'll get nothing when the storm clears. But don't worry,they won't be homeless, they'll be back where they started from--Albania.
I got my money on Truth and on the rightful owners and builders of those churches and monasteries to take their "Jerusalem" back with no sweat,cause criminals, mercenaries, and even the crazy and the stupid don't fight with the same heart,intensity and bravery when they defend stolen property.(See NATO and KLA) On the other hand, for example--well,let me put it to y'all as mildly as I can: Just don't leave any donkey shit,or any muddy Nikes around when the rightful owners of their homesteads come back to reclaim their stolen and looted property.

So as I feel it comin' up a cloud,the best chance for the illegals is to start making more brain cleansing movies and by starting with how Albanians built all them Christian shrines and structures in Kosovo and how Serbs came from Siberia and ate all the polar bears,thus killing tourism, and how the Serbs are now claiming that they built,painted and tiled all the religious images of all the Orthodox churches and monasteries. They need to sure include in their new movie how the Serbs burned,desecrated, and urinated on those churches and desecrated the Orthodox icons and cemeteries while top NATO members were busy piling hands one atop each others with KLA leaders. If they do like I say,they just might could produce themselves a little braver fighting bunch than them previous chickensh** scucmbags and low-life organ harvesters,aka KLA.

I think Northern Kosovo should have have a really high level of autonomy from Kosovo as no-one wants to see it divided on ethnic lines. Northern Kosovo should have more than autonomy but less than independence from Pristina, this way the Kosovo Serbs can have maximum rights up to a good European standard; hopefully increasing stability not just in Kosovo but in other countries in the region too.

Ok if serbs get authonomy in North,what Kosova gets in return?
Serbia has said that even if they agree with albanians about partition or exchanged territories Serbia will not recognised Kosova.
So why K-Alb will make these moves when they get nothing in return?
(Mirel from Albania, 13 August 2011 16:45)

We'll send Mr Thaci a rocket from Belgrade to sweeten the deal

When the Internationals community talks about giving N/Kosovo autonomy then the Serbs are nearly at their goal.
This place is proving to be a headache for them and they can’t lift a finger to change that situation so now its talk about autonomy. Holdout a little longer and that same community will wash their hands of Kosovo.
Just reading some of these comments from the Albanians shows how frighten they are. They were 100% convinced this latest stunt would finally take control over N/Kosovo.
To the Serbs just keep this status quo going and it will not take long as the GFC 2 is on its way which should bankrupt most western windbags.

Authonomy implicates that Serbia would accept the loss of South-Kosovo which I don't think will happen. The only acceptable reason for authonomy I could think of is authonomy as a temporary solution for improving the life of the Serbs in the North. In that case, I think it should include (at least) Gracanica and Strpce as compensation for the temporary loss of the south. Compensation wasn't invented just to please Albanians, was it? And if you want Presevo, you will have to offer (at least) parts of Kosovo Polje (Gazimestan), the patriarchate of Pec and the connection of the enclaves with Serbia proper. For anything less, the situation might better remain as it is for let's say 50 years. Let's see how far (and how!!) you are capable of turning 'Kosova' into a 2nd Switzerland. Playing the victim-card isn't going to help forever.

Here is something 2 entertain ur ''Greek propaganda'' generated ignorance.
''Prince of Albania, and KING of Epirus'',written on George Kastrioti Scanderbeg's helmet.This is how our HERO use 2 describe his own self,around 600 hundrd years ago.
(Dean, 13 August 2011 23:37)

This is true - but in WHAT LANGUAGE was it written? ;-)

For instance if I write on my helmet:

"император Китая" - that could mean, I am the emperor of China - but also it would mean, I am probably not a Chinese.


Btw,i am Orthodox Albanian myself,even tho i know well that u won't believe me.
(Dean, 13 August 2011 23:37)

I think everyone believes you because it is of common knowledge, there are Orthodox Albanians.... many of Serbian and Macedonian background and most of them feels like an underdog. Last time spoke with one in Korça, inside of the new cathedral. In Macedonian/Serbian/Russian mix (me in mix with bad grammar and horrible Russian accent, he used the language properly).

So indeed, the other poster was right: Albania has to deal with own minorities properly first and not put it's nose in other country's issues. And there is a lot of things to clean up, beginning with the "Illyrian" wet dream and falsifying the history.

Albanian history begins roughly with Muzaka family from Kastoria area. Before that there was no Albanian history, essentially nothing - only savage mountain tribes without written language and statehood.

Read the Ahtisaari plan, it has 'substantial autonomy'

I like the way B92's comment moderator has changed and edited my comment.
(Ian, UK, 13 August 2011 15:35)

lowe is experienced on that

This is stupid because it assumes Kosovo is a country. I think Serbia will keep the North and work out some sort of just split for the remainder of Kosovo. The goal should be that no side gets everything it wants and that each side gets something. This way, no side will be 100% happy. That's how negotiations go!
(Daniel, 13 August 2011 16:18)


Of course, and that has been taken care of already. Serbia is not happy because it lost Kosovo. Kosovo is not happy because it was not allowed to join Albania. So a compromised solution where nobody is happy has already been reached.

Quetion about Hank the Tank, ''the historian''.
Tell me,''my son'', what do u know about North Epirus,a.k.a., Vorio Epiros?,but first bare in mind that u r talking 2 a person living there.
Here is something 2 entertain ur ''Greek propaganda'' generated ignorance.
''Prince of Albania, and KING of Epirus'',written on George Kastrioti Scanderbeg's helmet.This is how our HERO use 2 describe his own self,around 600 hundrd years ago.
Before u flirting any further with ur ignorance,make me a favour and ask ur own self a little honest question:Why Scanderbeg saw his own self as King of Epirus?! 4 better result do not use Serbian nd Greek ''Academic'' sources.
Greeks lost big time in Minor Asia and Aegean to Turks,therefore they had 2 compensate in expense of Albanians,in order 2 find some comfort.................etc.
Btw,i am Orthodox Albanian myself,even tho i know well that u won't believe me.

@Ataman,
Personally I am Albanian Orthodox from Korca and my house is just behind the new cathedral.
I found the statements from Ataman totally lies.
Albanian-Orthodox from Korca were and are the hardcore of Albanian nationalism fighting against turks,Greeks,italians germans and in the end communists.
More than a half of the personalities of Albanian Ranaissance were from Korca.Also Koco Danaj the author of Albanian unification is from Korca.You remeber his book don't you?
Go and tell an Albanian Orthodox from Korca( no some peasant from macedonian minority in Prespa that happened to be in Korca that day when you met) that they are greeks or serbs and you'll get an unpleasant answer.Last time when Serbian hooligans riped off the Albanian flag in Italy all fans of Scanderbeg( the name of the Korca's soccer team) brought albanian flags in the stadium.
Greek party, even though Greece has spent millions to the propoganda,gets in Korca less than 1% of the votes and Macedonian party gets more or less 3 thousand votes in 300 thousand people in the country.
Go and sell the Greek propoganda to someone else,not to me because I was born and rise in Korca,and my family have been in Korca for at least 250 years.

No, that's where it begins. If ethnic lines is what you are looking for than we will see Albanians in Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro and Presheva demanding equal ethnic lines. Destabilization would be the result, not just in Bosnia, but the Balkans as a whole.
(Valon, 14 August 2011 18:10)
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Enough of your threats already.
We already have division along ethnic lines. You have hijacked Kosovo along ethnic lines separating it from Serbia and now you threaten that if there is any more you will take over Greece etc.

Haven't you stolen enough? You started dividing Serbia and now you think you need to make some threats if Kosovo gets divided. Do you honestly believe that you would be tolerated again?
You would be expelled from all those areas and kicked back to Albania, that's what would happen if you stir any more trouble.
You sound like the mouse who fell in the barrel of wine and thinks he is all might now.

"The end game is BiH internal division or final partition of KiM. Many years from now, the K-Alb parts will be with Albania and the K-Serb parts will be with Serbia again."

No, that's where it begins. If ethnic lines is what you are looking for than we will see Albanians in Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro and Presheva demanding equal ethnic lines. Destabilization would be the result, not just in Bosnia, but the Balkans as a whole.

To the Serbs just keep this status quo going and it will not take long as the GFC 2 is on its way which should bankrupt most western windbags.
(sj, 14 August 2011 05:13)
And leave Serbia as a financial Utopia!! haha, apparently you have not been reading your own press, they are already shaking in their boots as to how it will affect Serbia. I know you are going on the premise that the less you have the less it will affect. But how do you think the drop in exports, the loss of tourism, the drying up of funds in the IMF and WB and the curtailment of foreign aid from these western countries are going to affect Serbia. Think China and Russia are going to be pouring resources into Serbia, think again, look at the donations being made to Somalia and southern Africa during the appeal of the UN for help to the starvation crisis.
Russia paid you 20 cents on the dollar for your energy sector when you were able to negotiate with others, just think what they will pay for everything else when Serbia is forced to sale to put gruel on the table.

(think again, 14 August 2011 20:42)

I love these ignorant Albanians as they are so easy; its like shooting fish in a barrel. Firstly I said nothing about Serbia wethering the GFC 2 storm as it would be affected, but since it has still not managed to recover fully from the economic sanctions of the 1990s the pain will be less unlike the more advanced countries.

Secondly, Serbia is a small country that has more than enough trade agreements to sustain its exports even during such an impending downturn and it does not need the EU to survive. This story perpetuated by the existing government in Belgrade and the west that all will be lost if Serbia turns its back on the west is just that – pure BS.

Now onto aid; as you and many here do not understand what this actually means let me explain it to you in very simple terms. When you read that “the EU has provided Serbia with 500 million Euros in aid over 10 years” - that’s crap of the highest order.
The overall calculation of aid includes all costs associated with providing this so called assistance from the lowly paid clerk to the people who prepare the press releases announcing the aid. Actual money in the vast majority of instances never even reach the intended country. Its mostly smoke and mirrors. You might get some material but not money. When you see the vast amounts of aid provided for Kosovo, well that includes the cost of keeping KFOR/NATO troops and EULEX officials and small functionaries in Brussels who scratch their butts included in that overall aid package.

Ask the east Timorese about aid. About 6 months ago one of their former Presidents demanded that the UN leave that country because after spending 8 billion nothing has changed, in fact they are poorer now than before. You see the 8 billion in aid to East Timor is the actual cost of having the UN there for the last 8 years.

Albania and Kosovo are closer to Somalia and southern Africa then Serbia ever will be. Have you not asked why they have US clowns from think tank institutions talking about “reintegration of the Balkans? Its because there are lots of your Albanians who will starve if work is not found soon.

I’m not sure what you think that Russia will not take advantage of Serbia, but the west will not do the same to your Albanians.

The IMF’s President is from the EU and its vice President is Chinese and before the end of this year Russia, Brazil and India will join the board – note that the US is now only a board member – you see the difference in 2011?

Albanian history begins roughly with Muzaka family from Kastoria area. Before that there was no Albanian history, essentially nothing - only savage mountain tribes without written language and statehood.
(Ataman, 14 August 2011 15:35)

OK, I get it. Every single human being that is orthodox, must bow to Serbian orthodox church, including your mother Russia. wow!!!

.....I think everyone believes you because it is of common knowledge, there are Orthodox Albanians....
Please Attaman,don't make the same tragic and ridiculous attempt to construct somebody's else Identity.My identity in this case.I know better than u who i am.I guess there is no need 2 fight over such argument.
The reason why i come up with George Castrioti's history is, to introduce ''the historian'' Hank the Tank to some historical FACT,far from 600 Hundred years of ''Academic'' speculation.
About Albanian language,yes it is written 2 late,however there is a difference between written and spoken language.And the difference is thousands of years.
ILLYRIAN theory,it is highly speculative theory,much loved from Serbs,but we have no time 2 explain in few sentences.However,Albanians have no Right to call themselves ''ILLyrians'',the same as Birds can't be Dinosaurs.But Albanians ARE of ILLyrian origin,weather u like it or not.
About the greek,u r Right.It was written in greek language just because We did not have a sistem of written language.All in all,No matter how Smart u think u are, don't ever try 2 construct somebody's else IDENTITY.
You will always be WRONG.
ILLyrian

If the international community believe that Kosovo will become another Bosnia, then they dreaming. This will never happen. Ahtisaari package is the best for Albanians and Serbs.

I think Northern Kosovo should have have a really high level of autonomy from Kosovo as no-one wants to see it divided on ethnic lines. Northern Kosovo should have more than autonomy but less than independence from Pristina, this way the Kosovo Serbs can have maximum rights up to a good European standard; hopefully increasing stability not just in Kosovo but in other countries in the region too.

Read the Ahtisaari plan, it has 'substantial autonomy'

Did the Serbs agree to the Ahtisari plan? No!!! So it's not valid.
(MikeC, 13 August 2011 15:04)


Did albanian agree to the serbian constitution? No!!! So it's not valid.

Kosovo, north or south will never be serbian. It would be easier for the moon to become serbian. I don't like the idea of autonomy for northern Kosovo but it's the best serbs there could get. All based on the constituion of Kosovo and the Ahtisaari Plan.


Kosovo is independent now and Serbia should realise that fact. It's not realistic for Kosovo to become Serbia as many serbs dream of. It will never happend!!

Very soon intl. community will have to proposes autonomy for Sandzak and other parts of Serbia too, or people living there will start asking questions.

This is stupid because it assumes Kosovo is a country. I think Serbia will keep the North and work out some sort of just split for the remainder of Kosovo. The goal should be that no side gets everything it wants and that each side gets something. This way, no side will be 100% happy. That's how negotiations go!
(Daniel, 13 August 2011 16:18)


Of course, and that has been taken care of already. Serbia is not happy because it lost Kosovo. Kosovo is not happy because it was not allowed to join Albania. So a compromised solution where nobody is happy has already been reached.

Ok if serbs get authonomy in North,what Kosova gets in return?
Serbia has said that even if they agree with albanians about partition or exchanged territories Serbia will not recognised Kosova.
So why K-Alb will make these moves when they get nothing in return?

I like the way B92's comment moderator has changed and edited my comment.

I like the way B92's comment moderator has changed and edited my comment.
(Ian, UK, 13 August 2011 15:35)

lowe is experienced on that

The northen of Kosovo need an (OLLUJA 2)!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Read the Ahtisaari plan, it has 'substantial autonomy"
Ahtisaari

Did the Serbs agree to the Ahtisari plan? No!!! So it's not valid.

Very soon intl. community will have to proposes autonomy for Sandzak and other parts of Serbia too, or people living there will start asking questions.

ivan

Don't forget Northern Epirus in south Albania. They want autonomy too or even independence.
Don't flatter yourself. The west can't wait to get rid of the balkan headake. You actually think they have nothing better to do then to care for poor balkan people and their territorial aspirations? They would care less about you and the rest of your cracker palls.

International (read West) dictating to Thaci Mafiocracy to go beyond the western deceit of Ahtisarri plan but let's not mention "status" because we lie that status is final and has been determined. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck...

Clearly this is a full admission that status quo beyond 2008 continued and status is still to be negotiated - oh what a tangled web we weave.......

Serbia will continue to defy till it's sovereignty is completely respected - nema predaje!

This is stupid because it assumes Kosovo is a country. I think Serbia will keep the North and work out some sort of just split for the remainder of Kosovo. The goal should be that no side gets everything it wants and that each side gets something. This way, no side will be 100% happy. That's how negotiations go!

Ian talks of nobody wanting Kosovo divided along ethnic lines, as if Kosovo hasn't already been divided along those very same lines. Out of a population of 40.000, how many Serbs now live in Pristina. You could count them on one hand. Where else in Kosovo do albanians live alongside minorities. Don't insult our intelligence. The Albanians are incapable of living side by side with anybody. The north will eventually join the rest of Serbia. It is the will of the local population.

Ah, the Ahtesaari plan where future generations of kosovo albanian can take their children up north to the zoo and feed the serbs through the bars or even see a few of them in the wild south of the Ibar, though they will only be allowed to scare but not shoot them.

The ínternational community' needs to keep a few serbs to spin the multi-ethnic myth that sells so well to the humanitarian intervention crowd. Serbs in Pristina's control live in daily fear and have to be careful of what they say to whom, not so different from the Serbs in new and improved' European Croatia.

Either way, these are just words from the west. They mean nothing unless they are fully implemented and the west's record of fully implenting anything the balkans without changing, manipulating and spinning out of recognition any agreement is woeful.

Like the 'Ahtesaari Plan'' which calls for special zones (ghettos, camps of special purpose for the troublesome serbs), it is not worth the paper it is written on because kosovo albanians will not implement it in any meaningful manner and their backers won't care.


For Ahtesaari, read Potemkin.

In the picture, is this the border crossing the Albos want control of? It looks like the crossing in Chihuahua, Mexico into Santa Rosa, where 2 cars and 3 rattle snakes cross daily. Get a life, Pristina, and take care of larger problems, like feeding your Albo citizens.

Albo stole Kosovo and now think they are being so good by giving Serbs autonomy in their own country. If it was not so tragic, it would be funny. They did not want to live w/Serbs in Serbia, but they want to force Serbs to live in, so called, independent Kosovo. What? Somebody's head is screwed up or they been smoking somthing. Go feed the hungry people that suffer because of Pristina's gang and their western advisers who do not care for people that are dying of hunger, as long as their needs are met.

No, that's where it begins. If ethnic lines is what you are looking for than we will see Albanians in Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro and Presheva demanding equal ethnic lines. Destabilization would be the result, not just in Bosnia, but the Balkans as a whole.
(Valon, 14 August 2011 18:10)
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Enough of your threats already.
We already have division along ethnic lines. You have hijacked Kosovo along ethnic lines separating it from Serbia and now you threaten that if there is any more you will take over Greece etc.

Haven't you stolen enough? You started dividing Serbia and now you think you need to make some threats if Kosovo gets divided. Do you honestly believe that you would be tolerated again?
You would be expelled from all those areas and kicked back to Albania, that's what would happen if you stir any more trouble.
You sound like the mouse who fell in the barrel of wine and thinks he is all might now.

Quetion about Hank the Tank, ''the historian''.
Tell me,''my son'', what do u know about North Epirus,a.k.a., Vorio Epiros?,but first bare in mind that u r talking 2 a person living there.
Here is something 2 entertain ur ''Greek propaganda'' generated ignorance.
''Prince of Albania, and KING of Epirus'',written on George Kastrioti Scanderbeg's helmet.This is how our HERO use 2 describe his own self,around 600 hundrd years ago.
Before u flirting any further with ur ignorance,make me a favour and ask ur own self a little honest question:Why Scanderbeg saw his own self as King of Epirus?! 4 better result do not use Serbian nd Greek ''Academic'' sources.
Greeks lost big time in Minor Asia and Aegean to Turks,therefore they had 2 compensate in expense of Albanians,in order 2 find some comfort.................etc.
Btw,i am Orthodox Albanian myself,even tho i know well that u won't believe me.

If politicians in the West would be honest, they would admit that the (good) idea of a multiethnic democratic Kosovo has miserably failed. It's multi-ethnic only on paper, democratic? Well, look at the latest 'elections' and you know it isn't. Democracy won't work in clan-based societies, you see it in Afganistan, you see it in Kosovo.

Proposing autonomy is only a step to the solution, which would be partition (i.e. North is joining Serbia, South is joining Albania). Everybody would win this way, except for the corrupt Pristina politicans which would loose their jobs (and, more important, loose their influence to keep the mafia business running).

The end game is BiH internal division or final partition of KiM. Many years from now, the K-Alb parts will be with Albania and the K-Serb parts will be with Serbia again.

"So why K-Alb will make these moves when they get nothing in return?"
Mirel from Albania

Because your sugar daddy says so. You need to understand that without the West you have nothing. And I mean nothing!

Here is something 2 entertain ur ''Greek propaganda'' generated ignorance.
''Prince of Albania, and KING of Epirus'',written on George Kastrioti Scanderbeg's helmet.This is how our HERO use 2 describe his own self,around 600 hundrd years ago.
(Dean, 13 August 2011 23:37)

This is true - but in WHAT LANGUAGE was it written? ;-)

For instance if I write on my helmet:

"император Китая" - that could mean, I am the emperor of China - but also it would mean, I am probably not a Chinese.


Btw,i am Orthodox Albanian myself,even tho i know well that u won't believe me.
(Dean, 13 August 2011 23:37)

I think everyone believes you because it is of common knowledge, there are Orthodox Albanians.... many of Serbian and Macedonian background and most of them feels like an underdog. Last time spoke with one in Korça, inside of the new cathedral. In Macedonian/Serbian/Russian mix (me in mix with bad grammar and horrible Russian accent, he used the language properly).

So indeed, the other poster was right: Albania has to deal with own minorities properly first and not put it's nose in other country's issues. And there is a lot of things to clean up, beginning with the "Illyrian" wet dream and falsifying the history.

Albanian history begins roughly with Muzaka family from Kastoria area. Before that there was no Albanian history, essentially nothing - only savage mountain tribes without written language and statehood.

Ok if serbs get authonomy in North,what Kosova gets in return?
Serbia has said that even if they agree with albanians about partition or exchanged territories Serbia will not recognised Kosova.
So why K-Alb will make these moves when they get nothing in return?
(Mirel from Albania, 13 August 2011 16:45)

We'll send Mr Thaci a rocket from Belgrade to sweeten the deal

So why K-Alb will make these moves when they get nothing in return?
(Mirel from Albania, 13 August 2011 16:45)

Because K-Alb had nothing when they got started,they have worse than nothing now,and they'll get nothing when the storm clears. But don't worry,they won't be homeless, they'll be back where they started from--Albania.
I got my money on Truth and on the rightful owners and builders of those churches and monasteries to take their "Jerusalem" back with no sweat,cause criminals, mercenaries, and even the crazy and the stupid don't fight with the same heart,intensity and bravery when they defend stolen property.(See NATO and KLA) On the other hand, for example--well,let me put it to y'all as mildly as I can: Just don't leave any donkey shit,or any muddy Nikes around when the rightful owners of their homesteads come back to reclaim their stolen and looted property.

So as I feel it comin' up a cloud,the best chance for the illegals is to start making more brain cleansing movies and by starting with how Albanians built all them Christian shrines and structures in Kosovo and how Serbs came from Siberia and ate all the polar bears,thus killing tourism, and how the Serbs are now claiming that they built,painted and tiled all the religious images of all the Orthodox churches and monasteries. They need to sure include in their new movie how the Serbs burned,desecrated, and urinated on those churches and desecrated the Orthodox icons and cemeteries while top NATO members were busy piling hands one atop each others with KLA leaders. If they do like I say,they just might could produce themselves a little braver fighting bunch than them previous chickensh** scucmbags and low-life organ harvesters,aka KLA.

Albanian history begins roughly with Muzaka family from Kastoria area. Before that there was no Albanian history, essentially nothing - only savage mountain tribes without written language and statehood.
(Ataman, 14 August 2011 15:35)

OK, I get it. Every single human being that is orthodox, must bow to Serbian orthodox church, including your mother Russia. wow!!!

Authonomy implicates that Serbia would accept the loss of South-Kosovo which I don't think will happen. The only acceptable reason for authonomy I could think of is authonomy as a temporary solution for improving the life of the Serbs in the North. In that case, I think it should include (at least) Gracanica and Strpce as compensation for the temporary loss of the south. Compensation wasn't invented just to please Albanians, was it? And if you want Presevo, you will have to offer (at least) parts of Kosovo Polje (Gazimestan), the patriarchate of Pec and the connection of the enclaves with Serbia proper. For anything less, the situation might better remain as it is for let's say 50 years. Let's see how far (and how!!) you are capable of turning 'Kosova' into a 2nd Switzerland. Playing the victim-card isn't going to help forever.

.....I think everyone believes you because it is of common knowledge, there are Orthodox Albanians....
Please Attaman,don't make the same tragic and ridiculous attempt to construct somebody's else Identity.My identity in this case.I know better than u who i am.I guess there is no need 2 fight over such argument.
The reason why i come up with George Castrioti's history is, to introduce ''the historian'' Hank the Tank to some historical FACT,far from 600 Hundred years of ''Academic'' speculation.
About Albanian language,yes it is written 2 late,however there is a difference between written and spoken language.And the difference is thousands of years.
ILLYRIAN theory,it is highly speculative theory,much loved from Serbs,but we have no time 2 explain in few sentences.However,Albanians have no Right to call themselves ''ILLyrians'',the same as Birds can't be Dinosaurs.But Albanians ARE of ILLyrian origin,weather u like it or not.
About the greek,u r Right.It was written in greek language just because We did not have a sistem of written language.All in all,No matter how Smart u think u are, don't ever try 2 construct somebody's else IDENTITY.
You will always be WRONG.
ILLyrian

@Ataman,
Personally I am Albanian Orthodox from Korca and my house is just behind the new cathedral.
I found the statements from Ataman totally lies.
Albanian-Orthodox from Korca were and are the hardcore of Albanian nationalism fighting against turks,Greeks,italians germans and in the end communists.
More than a half of the personalities of Albanian Ranaissance were from Korca.Also Koco Danaj the author of Albanian unification is from Korca.You remeber his book don't you?
Go and tell an Albanian Orthodox from Korca( no some peasant from macedonian minority in Prespa that happened to be in Korca that day when you met) that they are greeks or serbs and you'll get an unpleasant answer.Last time when Serbian hooligans riped off the Albanian flag in Italy all fans of Scanderbeg( the name of the Korca's soccer team) brought albanian flags in the stadium.
Greek party, even though Greece has spent millions to the propoganda,gets in Korca less than 1% of the votes and Macedonian party gets more or less 3 thousand votes in 300 thousand people in the country.
Go and sell the Greek propoganda to someone else,not to me because I was born and rise in Korca,and my family have been in Korca for at least 250 years.

"The end game is BiH internal division or final partition of KiM. Many years from now, the K-Alb parts will be with Albania and the K-Serb parts will be with Serbia again."

No, that's where it begins. If ethnic lines is what you are looking for than we will see Albanians in Greece, Macedonia, Montenegro and Presheva demanding equal ethnic lines. Destabilization would be the result, not just in Bosnia, but the Balkans as a whole.

To the Serbs just keep this status quo going and it will not take long as the GFC 2 is on its way which should bankrupt most western windbags.
(sj, 14 August 2011 05:13)
And leave Serbia as a financial Utopia!! haha, apparently you have not been reading your own press, they are already shaking in their boots as to how it will affect Serbia. I know you are going on the premise that the less you have the less it will affect. But how do you think the drop in exports, the loss of tourism, the drying up of funds in the IMF and WB and the curtailment of foreign aid from these western countries are going to affect Serbia. Think China and Russia are going to be pouring resources into Serbia, think again, look at the donations being made to Somalia and southern Africa during the appeal of the UN for help to the starvation crisis.
Russia paid you 20 cents on the dollar for your energy sector when you were able to negotiate with others, just think what they will pay for everything else when Serbia is forced to sale to put gruel on the table.

(think again, 14 August 2011 20:42)

I love these ignorant Albanians as they are so easy; its like shooting fish in a barrel. Firstly I said nothing about Serbia wethering the GFC 2 storm as it would be affected, but since it has still not managed to recover fully from the economic sanctions of the 1990s the pain will be less unlike the more advanced countries.

Secondly, Serbia is a small country that has more than enough trade agreements to sustain its exports even during such an impending downturn and it does not need the EU to survive. This story perpetuated by the existing government in Belgrade and the west that all will be lost if Serbia turns its back on the west is just that – pure BS.

Now onto aid; as you and many here do not understand what this actually means let me explain it to you in very simple terms. When you read that “the EU has provided Serbia with 500 million Euros in aid over 10 years” - that’s crap of the highest order.
The overall calculation of aid includes all costs associated with providing this so called assistance from the lowly paid clerk to the people who prepare the press releases announcing the aid. Actual money in the vast majority of instances never even reach the intended country. Its mostly smoke and mirrors. You might get some material but not money. When you see the vast amounts of aid provided for Kosovo, well that includes the cost of keeping KFOR/NATO troops and EULEX officials and small functionaries in Brussels who scratch their butts included in that overall aid package.

Ask the east Timorese about aid. About 6 months ago one of their former Presidents demanded that the UN leave that country because after spending 8 billion nothing has changed, in fact they are poorer now than before. You see the 8 billion in aid to East Timor is the actual cost of having the UN there for the last 8 years.

Albania and Kosovo are closer to Somalia and southern Africa then Serbia ever will be. Have you not asked why they have US clowns from think tank institutions talking about “reintegration of the Balkans? Its because there are lots of your Albanians who will starve if work is not found soon.

I’m not sure what you think that Russia will not take advantage of Serbia, but the west will not do the same to your Albanians.

The IMF’s President is from the EU and its vice President is Chinese and before the end of this year Russia, Brazil and India will join the board – note that the US is now only a board member – you see the difference in 2011?

Aleks-all true.

When the Internationals community talks about giving N/Kosovo autonomy then the Serbs are nearly at their goal.
This place is proving to be a headache for them and they can’t lift a finger to change that situation so now its talk about autonomy. Holdout a little longer and that same community will wash their hands of Kosovo.
Just reading some of these comments from the Albanians shows how frighten they are. They were 100% convinced this latest stunt would finally take control over N/Kosovo.
To the Serbs just keep this status quo going and it will not take long as the GFC 2 is on its way which should bankrupt most western windbags.