Serbian officials, KFOR reach agreement

(Vardarska Serb, 5 August 2011 10:38)

The is some kind of contradictions in your comment Vardarska Serb.
You say:
“The breakup of Yugoslavia was the biggest mistake because now foreign troops occupy Serbian soil.”

Are you trying to imply that Yugoslavia = Serbia?
Secondly, who and what was the main cause for the breakup or the “good old” YU?
Thirdly, have you ever thought why is that nobody wanted to stay in YU that includes Serbia? Even the small Montenegro opted to go alone.
I hope this summarises your YU.
Finally when you say that not even USSR could occupy you (I am guessing you means Serbia), why would Russia occupy Serbia when Serbia was, is and will always be Russian.

(bganon, 5 August 2011 16:10)
BGanon, you are one of the few people I do respect in these forums.
I do respect the fact that your comments are weighted and you do show respect towards people.
I know that everybody is expecting a “HOWEVER”, but I am not going to continue that way.
Instead I will try to answer your comments as accurately as I can.
You know that YU survived (until it did) thanks to the balance it had:
Slovenia, Croatia, Kosovo in one Side
Serbia, Montenegro and Vojvodina on the other.
Macedonia and BiH were the ones that decided in the end. Most of the times the two sided towards the solution that would benefit everybody.
It was Serbia that decided to kill that balance BGanon, would you agree?
It took over Vojvodina and Montenegro (to start with). It replaced their representatives with BG puppets. Next it was Kosovo: We fought and tried to keep what we had, unfortunately it was taken with Tanks (would you agree?).
What happened with the balance BGanon: Serbia now had 4 Secured votes and blocked everything.
Would you like to live in that YU it use were not a Serb BGanon.
BGanon, to solve a problem one has to dig deep into the cause (cancer).
One more note:
- if all pro-Serb posters talk about Kosovo as being a dark hole why
- If all pre-Serb posters refer to us terrorists, uneducated, backwards..
Why do you want Kosovo then?
You are better of without us
We did you a favour then, wouldn’t you agree?
To Summarise, I have not seen any conclusive documentation that showed Kosovo using YU funds: You can disagree but that does not make you right. The only investments made in Kosovo (ever) were done between 1974 and 1981.
Any other investments were for Serbians living in Kosovo, none was for Albanians. You know how i know this BGanon....i was here!

The KFOR/NATO/EU/USA is continually provoking us into war with them... I'm sick and tired of this. The breakup of Yugoslavia was the biggest mistake because now foreign troops occupy Serbian soil. That kind of s*** never happened, not even the USSR could occupy us. We had our independence and now...
(Vardarska Serb, 5 August 2011 10:38)

You have your independence, but stop messing with your neighboring countries, and let us all live in peace.

I am proud to be Serbian.
Throughout our entire history we have been persecuted and set upon by those that believe they could conquer/dominate our small yet large nation. Our foes seem to always under-estimate our resolve and determination.
The fact that we are Serbian to this day proves we are a persistant bunch that do not bow down even in the face of adversity.

You can steal our land, you can kill us but at the end of the day you will lose. Why? because you will never rid yourself of that one thing that is burning you at every waking hour and giving you nightmares while you sleep. What is that you ask? Well simple Serbian and anything associated with it. ie. Music, dance, culture, our young people enjoying life our religion. Thats the things you can not take from us!

"SERBIAN & PROUD"

"The KFOR/NATO/EU/USA is continually provoking us into war with them."

Who's us, the 1% of Serbia that MAY want another war against NATO or the average Serb that's trying to make a living and pay the electricity bill?

Serbia LOST the war in 1999. NATO now makes the rules, that's all. Complain to UN or go to the ICJ again.

KFOR changed them because Thaci told them too. Even humanitarian aid will come only if a humanitarian crisis is declared by UN. And all smugglign routes will be closed, until Serbia recognized the Made in Kosovo label.

@Georgj:,,whu,and what was the cause of brekup ex Ygoslavija?,, answer:albanians wonted Republic and Big Albania since 1981 ! ask you dad ,i do remember that,and the truth about alanians will come out very soon,but right now enjoy..US interest...
(zoran popovic, 5 August 2011 13:00)

Zoran, I don’t have to ask my dad. I am old enough to remember 1981 and everything that preceded and post ceded that.
Do you ever ask yourself why did we not want to be with you (why nobody wanted to be with you)?
There is a saying: if three people tell you you’re drunk, hold on to something
In Serbia’s case:
- First it was Slovenia
- Then Croatia
- Bosnia followed
- Macedonia was next
- Montenegro did the same
- And finally, Kosovo
- (I smell Sanxhak or Vojvodina following suit)
Did all of them want Big Slovenia or Big Croatia, Big Bosnia, Big Macedonia, Big Montenegro??
No Zoran, they just did not want to be a part of a great Serbia.
Nuff said?

The KFOR/NATO/EU/USA is continually provoking us into war with them... I'm sick and tired of this. The breakup of Yugoslavia was the biggest mistake because now foreign troops occupy Serbian soil. That kind of s*** never happened, not even the USSR could occupy us. We had our independence and now...

@Gjergj

Yugoslavia was made up of 6 republics and Kosovo was part of Serbia in Yugoslavia (autonomous though which was a stupid but expected move by Slovenocroatian Tito).

@ERTYU

Which is why Tadic needs to stop pandering to the EU who is inherently hostile to our interests and join in an union with Russia (similar to the union that currently exists between Belarus and Russia), join the CSTO and the CIS. We didn't need to be aligned with the NATO or the Warsaw Pact during the Cold War but that was only because of Yugoslavia. We're on our own today, we have to pick a side right now.

Another fantastic move by my brothers in Prishtina... Belgrade has given up by its 'resistance' by accepting all of our 10 conditions... just to name a few; the Kosovar Police force alsongside KFOR and EULEX will control the railway routs between Belgrade and Mitrovica (first time since the declaration of independence); no commercial trucks will be allowed to enter the Kosova (thereby completely implementing the trade embargo against Serbia in the north) and FINALLY the removal of all illigal road blockades and barries organised by criminal thugs and fascist thieves. Have never been so proud to call myself an Albanian!

Negotiations with KFOR come to halt - in which case so do their supply routes to their troops!

If KFOR dare use force against the thousands of Serbian civilians who will respond peacefully to man the barricades they will be committing war crimes and (not the lie of "collateral damage") at which point the western duplicitous actions will be glaring and the action of 1999 will start to unravel.

KFOR changed them because Thaci told them too. Even humanitarian aid will come only if a humanitarian crisis is declared by UN. And all smugglign routes will be closed, until Serbia recognized the Made in Kosovo label.
(ERTYU, 5 August 2011 10:55)

Nobody cares what Thachi thinks,he will be the looser in this game!

As for Kosovo label recognizing,that is under no circumstances going to happen,there already exists an UNMIK stamp which they can use so there is no blockade on Kosovo goods(they dont export anything at all)!
So here is the deal:if you try to suffocate our people in the north we will do the very same with your people in the Presevo valley

-close all crossings of administrative ponits so no Albanian can go from Kosovo to Presevo and vise versa
-cap the lectricity to Kosovo!

If you want to play games with us lets play seriously!

BTW I think KFOR will agree at the end to some agreement there Serbian goods will be allowed to come in legally!

Under no circumstances there will be any concessions made to the terrorists in Pristina,their agression should not be rewarded!

You have your independence, but stop messing with your neighboring countries, and let us all live in peace.
(Kosova-USA, 5 August 2011 11:21)

I agree. But mind that Kosovo is PART of Serbia!

UN must act now and tell Thaci the truth: you are not in control of Kosovo province, the UN is!

And Serbia must take Kosovo-UNMIK to court over the stamp used!
(Ron, 5 August 2011 13:12)

Serbia has already lost once in court why lose again?
save money instead.

And all smugglign routes will be closed, until Serbia recognized the Made in Kosovo label.
(ERTYU, 5 August 2011 10:55)

Do they make labels for bricks of heroin?

UN must act now and tell Thaci the truth: you are not in control of Kosovo province, the UN is!

And Serbia must take Kosovo-UNMIK to court over the stamp used!

@Georgj:,,whu,and what was the cause of brekup ex Ygoslavija?,, answer:albanians wonted Republic and Big Albania since 1981 ! ask you dad ,i do remember that,and the truth about alanians will come out very soon,but right now enjoy..US interest...

And Serbia must take Kosovo-UNMIK to court over the stamp used!
(Ron, 5 August 2011 13:12)

Where does one find this office of Kosovo-unmik ... I would like to send them a letter.

'Do they make labels for bricks of heroin?
(Milt, 5 August 2011 12:05) '

Yes, it says for Serb kids and Serb man.
You cant wait for your hit can you ey, that is why you are interested?

We are not as good at packiging our lies like Serbia though... :(

Gjergj Fishta I'm really not fond of these playground type theories about this and that.
Lets do this factually - Slovenia and Croatia left Jugoslavija because they thought they would be better off economically.
Bosnia left Jugoslavija because with Slovenia and Croatia having left the balance was gone, Serbia would have dominated Jugoslavija, similar is true for Macedonia.
Montenegro broke off the union, created by Solana, because it had been going down that road for years. Its a pity that Serbia didn't declare indepdence from Montenegro, it would at least stop the playground theories.

In fact Gjergj one could argue that as a part of Serbia, all those countries left Kosovo too. In the economic sense there is even more evidence for this, because Kosovo was sucking so federal funds and all the other richer republics didn't want to pay for this. I say in all seriousness that without Kosovo, Slovenia might never have left and Jugoslavija might still exist today.

Gjergj you are mistaken, check many English language academic books written about Jugoslavija and the history of break up.

The problem from the Slovenian perspective was economic, they were not willing to continue being a large contributor to federal funds. That happened before so called Oct 1988 anti bureacuratic revolution in Vojvodina and Montenegro. You can see this was stated by Slovenians at League of Communist meetings before then. I might add that although there was resistance to this 'revolution' in Vojvodina, there was almost none in Montenegro. So the installment of a puppet of Milosevic in that republic was supported by a large majority of Montenegrins and small majority of people in Vojvodina, regardless of what I thought of it.

Yes the balance was upset, yes it was a power play by Milosevic. But that is a quite different point from what you were making before. No republic didn't want to live with 'us' is what you said. What Slovenia in fact wanted was to pay less into the federal budget, what other republics (and yes even some Albanians) wanted was for the Stambolic wing to beat down Milosevic.

'To Summarise, I have not seen any conclusive documentation that showed Kosovo using YU funds' - then obviously you haven't done any research. I could pull out a comprehensive book on the subject written by an English author who studied how much money was spent through federal funds, Kosovo received the most federal funds. I have pulled out statistics before here, when Albanians have argued otherwise, but I can't do it every time. That is a fact, if you are willing to look it up.

And then you have an 'armchair' claim that the money went to Serbs! What??? In Tito's Jugoslavija when Kosovo was awarded autonomy he was discrimnating against Albanians? Complete nonsense. A fair amount of the money was mismanaged or stolen of course, by Communist Serb and Albanian Kosovo leaders / companies - nothing new there.

No, what is irritating is the way that everybody tries to wash away their own responsiblity, as if it was always somebody else taking advantage, somebody else who wasn't wanted, somebody else who got the money, somebody else who was so evil.

The facts, and there are some universal facts, show rational self interested reasons for the break up of Jugoslavija. These reasons do not include 'not wanting to be with a republic of former Jug'.

'Do they make labels for bricks of heroin?
(Milt, 5 August 2011 12:05) '

Yes, it says for Serb kids and Serb man.
You cant wait for your hit can you ey, that is why you are interested?

We are not as good at packiging our lies like Serbia though... :(
(oh the irony, 5 August 2011 13:24)

Actually, according to the US Drug Enforcement Agency and FBI, you are the bigger nuisance to society in regards to organized crime. Sorry to burst your bubble, mate.

If KFOR dare use force against the thousands of Serbian civilians who will respond peacefully to man the barricades they will be committing war crimes and (not the lie of "collateral damage") at which point the western duplicitous actions will be glaring and the action of 1999 will start to unravel.
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Serbia, 5 August 2011 11:33)

When was the last time anyone in the West was prosecuted for war crimes? The US soldiers who carried out the My Lai massacre got a slap on the wrist much to the disgust of the Vietnamese. Since then we have had Northern Ireland, Chile, Cyprus, East Timor, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Palestine and Iraq.

The West dont do accountability. They are excempt from the rule of law. They make it up as they go along and if international law does get in the way of their imperialist agenda, it's the two fingers and sod it. Surely, Princip you have realised that by now.

I think bganon should get the B92 award for meaningful postings. Congratulation, very informative.

Any other investments were for Serbians living in Kosovo, none was for Albanians. You know how i know this BGanon....i was here!
(Gjergj Fishta, 5 August 2011 17:41)

Investments were misused or stolen by Kosovo Albanian local administration, so investments didn't benefit ordinary people.

@ Georgj ;thanks asking me ,and i am happy to answer u.1)Slovenija is nothing to do with Serbians in any war,that was YU army(with albanians to !)2)Croatia allways dreamed about NDH(Independent Croatian Country)there lived large Serbian population(u know)3)Bosnia was 63%Serbian(by land)and nearly 50% by population.We had to defend our people.and3)About you(Albanians)i asked my self why you dont want to be with us...an need you HELP PLEASE.becouse you people hade everything:school and university in ALBANIAN languege FLAG !EVRYTHING ! Going back ,i can only find 1 our mistake :excepting you on our land !

"Why do you want Kosovo then?
You are better of without us
We did you a favour then, wouldn’t you agree?"
(Gjergj Fishta, 5 August 2011 17:41)

It's only for historic (or nostalgic) reasons. Economically, you are totally right: Serbia would be better without Kosovo. Just like Italy would do much better without Sicilia/Palermo/Naples: These regions are ruled by mafia, corruption, and consume state budget, without being productive.

Just like some people want to keep an old house, though it's rotten and it would be cheaper to tear it down and build a new one.

Snapper I could barely read your post without cringeing. Burning at you every hour whilst you are awake and giving nightmares when they sleep?

Is that a reference to Freddy Kruger? Talk about inflated ego.

Yes its ok to be proud of who you are, but to constantly feel the need to refer to one's 'enemies' shows somebody who is deeply insecure. Don't forget Serbian music, culture (film and sport) is enjoyed throughtout the Balkans (and beyond) by non Serbs - why they would want to stop that?

Did all of them want Big Slovenia or Big Croatia, Big Bosnia, Big Macedonia, Big Montenegro??
No Zoran, they just did not want to be a part of a great Serbia.
Nuff said?
(Gjergj Fishta, 5 August 2011 14:38)

All of them, including Serbs, wanted their ethnic states. The problem was that all these ethnicities were mixed so much that it was impossible to draw borders satisfying all of them.

Surely, Princip you have realised that by now.
(Niall O'Doherty, 5 August 2011 12:51)

- Niall you now the answer to that as one who knows the truth so well too!

Sure you are right but I do consider at this point with so many duplicitous actions building up in-conjunction with the economic turmoil that the west and its military arm NATO really could not carry out any such use of force against civilians without considerable and irreparable loss of credibility and a full re-alignment of world power/politics that saw NATO as nothing more than a war mongering organisation vastly removed from its defensive raison d'être not least of all from within citizenships of member nations - many of whom just like you have a fuller viewpoint of the truth.

I will say that "Gjergj Fishta" is RIGHT in every word he has written in this forum today!
"bganon" is WRONG completelly!
Kosova was exploated to the highest level by Serbia!
I was there too and only between 1974-1981 Kosova enjoyed a kind of liberty and small prosperity! 6 years only, but we even during this period was second hands of citysens!
Thank you Gjergj!

"I say in all seriousness that without Kosovo, Slovenia might never have left and Jugoslavija might still exist today."

You make it sound like it would have been wise for Yugoslavia to let Kosovo go at the end of 80's, beginning of the 90's. I agree, it would have been wise for Yugoslavia to do that, but Yugoslavia was not wise back then. The Albanians too would have loved your sentence back then. The part of "without Kosovo" especially. Unfortunately it took many wars to be again in this win-win condition where Serbia does not have to lose money in Kosovo and Albanians do not have to lose their jobs in Serbia. "without Kosovo" that is. So, I do not understand Serbian's government policies. "With Kosovo" means money spent for welfare of those lazy, ignorant Albanians. "Without Kosovo", no money spent for those Albanians, money can go to Serbs in Serbia, who also need it. Why then the "fight for Kosovo"? Are you sure you are right? Are you sure Kosovo is to blame for the wars in the 90's? In all seriousness...

Trying to explaine anything to Gorgje Fishta is time westing !he dont except any truth ,all his comments are nonsence based on Albanian lies factory,we all know that ,but some people respect theory : 100 times repited lie become the truth ! So mr. Gorgj ,keep trying it works !Serbians knows that,but,, unfortunatly ,,they not good liers.

"I think bganon should get the B92 award for meaningful postings", LOL.

Though i suspect Top/Bganon being the same person, i think she already has a "reward" (immunity) since whatever rantings she posts are published she must be among the B92 staff in one form or another.

Reading Bganon/Top requesting a "reward" for herself is above the top ten funniest comments ever posted here. I have never before seen a person so totally obsessed getting recognitions and "thumbs up".

Get a life already!

Ataman, no I don't mean that type of jingoism. The pro American part of this troll is the part that is missing, that is apart from his US paycheque. However, I'm certain that this troll who goes about the boards creating multiple identities shares Palins view on lower taxes (for the rich), private property, abortion, traditional values (hatred of gays, minorities, foreigners - even though he himself is one in the US) etc. Mix that in with a pro Russian stance and the only part that is anywhere near normal - opposing US imperialism (thank god they are sane on one issue) and we have a wrap.

Say what you like about Roberto's views, but at least he does not go about creating multiple identities to make personal attacks, or trolls thumbs up / thumbs down.

In fact wouldn't it be interesting if it turned out that this troll's real identity was somebody who was published on the internet and had their own blog? I hear that employers take a pretty dim view of politicial trolling these days...

Danilo I'm not even certain if that was Peggy, if it was, she outdid herself by accusing me of having a split personality :).

In the meantime I'm waiting for the supposed 42 people (yeah right!) who disagreed with my post to explain what they disagree with.

--You have your independence, but stop messing with your neighboring countries, and let us all live in peace.
(Kosova-USA, 5 August 2011 11:21)--

Amen! I'm really proud of the people of Kosova, and of the role that KFOR is playing. Thanks, KFOR.

As for the boycott, it may seem silly but it's all about reciprocity. when serbia decides to act like a normal neighbor, it will be treated like one. period. stop tormenting the people of kosova and bosnia!
meanwhile (real) humanitarian aid is appropriate, as necessary.


ciao, people.

robert frisco

There's no greater hurt feeling on this board than coming the shock that arises from a Serb who left ex-yu and has been telling themselves for 10 years how Serbia is a certain way and that they support them.

They get a shock when they realize (or don't) that they're stuck in a certain way of thinking of Serbia that doesn't exist.

The worst cases of hurt feelings on this board are from "Serbs" in the diaspora against Serbs.

Don't hate Serbs, Serbs! Serbia might not quite be like the wax-museum version in your head, but that's no reason to get angry, is it now?

The best solution to this problem would be that under supervision of EU, the referendum would be organized in the north of Kosovo where people would in free and democratic way declare whether they want to live in independent Kosovo or they want to live in Serbia.
Serbia and Kosovo can never join the EU having the burden of people who do not want to live in the states of Serbia and Kosovo respectively.
My heart can not stand any more experience or view of the people having to leave their homes in queues of trucks and tractors with improvised plastic shelters.
A terrible war has happened in Sudan. However they realized that state is not label. It must either exist for the people or it must not exist at all. Therefore South Sudan people were allowed to hold a referendum where they declared the South Sudan independence.

Amusing. Funny how/why people think me and bganon are the same person. I only appreciate bganon for being one of the few posters with informative, reasonable, realistic and balanced postings, without the usual propaganda, insults, war mongering, hate speech, nationalistic extremism and ideology you can find in about 80-90% of the posts/posters here (from both sides, btw).

Amen

How many times has Peggy been owned by bganon on this forum?

Anyone keeping count?

Investments were misused or stolen by Kosovo Albanian local administration, so investments didn't benefit ordinary people.
(aaayyy, 5 August 2011 18:19)
I think that worldwide that is the perception of the norm for the entire Eastern bloc, (including Serbia) and still exists in almost every country there now.
So are you saying Kosovo fit into its region?

Thank you Bganon for rushing out clarifying that you also are "Top".
Ridiculous and childish indeed...

Filip Shiroka explain with facts how I was wrong - saying you were there doesn't mean much. If you don't believe that the Slovenians put money into the federal budget to be used by Kosovo then argue with them. All of that money finished in Kosovo, how it was (mis)used or if it was stolen by the local administration is a problem for Kosovo Serbs and Kosovo Albanians.

National Literacy Board, no I think that its more likely that the mulitple negative votes come from the usual trolls..

Speaking of trolling that is exactly the definition of Peggy P and Cganon's posts - ever heard of posting on topic and not making personal insults?

As for Top and myself being the same person its clear to anybody with an ounce of intelligence that our writing style is different. However, the fact that one particular troll who posts here wtf /Go East / Minas / Mickey Mouse / and perhaps Cganon share similar writing styles is very telling. I think that our US based troll is a right wing 'libetarian' nut, probably somebody who thinks they are too 'enlightened' to support Sarah Palin, but shares the philosophy on many issues.

As for Kosovo label recognizing,that is under no circumstances going to happen,
(CG, 5 August 2011 12:39)

UNMIK has already recognized the Kosovo’s customs stamp by repeatedly assuring that they are in line with 1244 and CEFTA provisions. If Serbia does not accept them, that’s Serbia’s issue, in which case Kosovo will not accept Serbia’s.



When was the last time anyone in the West was prosecuted for war crimes? The US soldiers who carried out the My Lai massacre got a slap on the wrist much to the disgust of the Vietnamese. Since then we have had Northern Ireland, Chile, Cyprus, East Timor, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Palestine and Iraq.
(Niall O'Doherty, 5 August 2011 12:51)


West punishes them itself; but countries like those of the former Yugoslavia don’t and hence the need for Russia, China and the West to create the ICTY.



@Georgj:,,whu,and what was the cause of brekup ex Ygoslavija?,, answer:albanians wonted Republic and Big Albania since 1981 ! ask you dad ,i do remember that,and the truth about alanians will come out very soon,but right now enjoy..US interest...
(zoran popovic, 5 August 2011 13:00)

You also forgot that the other nationalities could not live in the same house with Serbs. US interests ? Probably (even though I’ve not seen any benefit for the US so far; former Yugoslavia has nothing for the US to exploit). The fact remains that regardless of US interests or non-interests, the other nationalities could not live with Serbs.



And Serbia must take Kosovo-UNMIK to court over the stamp used!
(Ron, 5 August 2011 13:12)

Fully agree… Even though we know the result. But just to convince the Serbs again that they are on the wrong side of the law.



I agree. But mind that Kosovo is PART of Serbia!
(Ron, 5 August 2011 13:28)

Sure, if you define Serbia’s non-humanitarian goods not being allowed to enter Kosovo as Kosovo being part of Serbia, I’m sure that all Albanians in Kosovo will be saying day and night that Kosovo is part of Serbia. Is just a matter of definition my friend.

I hope that all of this arguing between Serbs and Albanians is not just a misunderstanding about definitions. Kosovo’s takes decisions independently from Serbia and Serbia defines that as Kosovo being PART of Serbia. So Serbia is defining Part = Independent from Serbia. We need to let Albanians know what Serbia means by “part” and finally all disagreements in Kosovo will be resolved and all parties will be happy.

Bganon,

I think this board is home of some really hurt feelings.
In many cases these have nothing to do with the Serbian-Albanian controversy, that is probably the easiest part. We have here dreams and lives destroyed or twisted by the turmoils of the 20th century. And some have very serious personality problems. See their presence on youtube or the Facebook. Always wonder, why such urge of being noticed.

The ratings have a different importance but B92 carefully censors every single hint I write about the ratings for a good (from their point of view) reason.

Investments were misused or stolen by Kosovo Albanian local administration, so investments didn't benefit ordinary people.
(aaayyy, 5 August 2011 18:19)
I think that worldwide that is the perception of the norm for the entire Eastern bloc, (including Serbia) and still exists in almost every country there now.
So are you saying Kosovo fit into its region?
(yyyaaa, 5 August 2011 22:45)

I would say Kosovo is a champion of Eastern Europe in misusing investments.

Can somebody explain the agreement struck between prishtina and Belgrade? Is the trade ban still implemented? Reading B92 you get the impression that only heavy trucks with Serbian goods are banned but smaller trucks (smaller then 3 tons)with Serbian goods are allowed. With other words the trade ban on Serbian goods are finished...

BGAnon,

The albanians on b92 don't agree with you judging from the negatives. Of course the reality is that the SFRY was powered by kosovo albanian resources, intellect, manpower and ingenuity. The others were just subsidized.. They only set up the SFRY because they could control a much larger territory than the idiot to the south, Enver Hoxa....

I think that our US based troll is a right wing 'libetarian' nut, probably somebody who thinks they are too 'enlightened' to support Sarah Palin, but shares the philosophy on many issues.
(bganon, 6 August 2011 14:48)

That title (libertarian who goes as far as even supporting Sarah Palin just because he hopes she will show Russians a middle finger) belongs to Joe Henel, by the way. And speaking about the polarization of the board - there the said Joe with his quasi-liberal "counter piece" (both essentially close to nazis in spirit, just in a different way) Robert Leonard Rope aka "Roberto" did "contribute" the most.

As for the original topic: I can't believe my eyes. Having the upper hand the Serbian "leadership" gives in to not even a major-ranking NATO bureaucrat (Erhard Bühler) who does not even act honestly or professionally.

I also find it devastating that according the pictures the Serbian leadership was dressed in T-shirts and other casual clothing while "negotiating". This is the way I am dressed if I am traveling. Totally unprofessional.

Now if THAT is the way Serbian leadership envisions joining the E.U. - they will be skinned alive by their negotiation partners.

Danilo I'm not even certain if that was Peggy, if it was, she outdid herself by accusing me of having a split personality :).

In the meantime I'm waiting for the supposed 42 people (yeah right!) who disagreed with my post to explain what they disagree with.
(bganon, 6 August 2011 19:28)
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Just wanted to clear the air. I have NEVER accused anyone of having a multiple personality.
One person who does write under multiple names is Ataman but he does this as a joke and never tries to conceal it, although I have never mentioned this before either.

So whatever I say, I always sign with my own name and don't accuse anyone of doing anything different.

I am proud to be Serbian.
Throughout our entire history we have been persecuted and set upon by those that believe they could conquer/dominate our small yet large nation. Our foes seem to always under-estimate our resolve and determination.
The fact that we are Serbian to this day proves we are a persistant bunch that do not bow down even in the face of adversity.

You can steal our land, you can kill us but at the end of the day you will lose. Why? because you will never rid yourself of that one thing that is burning you at every waking hour and giving you nightmares while you sleep. What is that you ask? Well simple Serbian and anything associated with it. ie. Music, dance, culture, our young people enjoying life our religion. Thats the things you can not take from us!

"SERBIAN & PROUD"

You have your independence, but stop messing with your neighboring countries, and let us all live in peace.
(Kosova-USA, 5 August 2011 11:21)

I agree. But mind that Kosovo is PART of Serbia!

The KFOR/NATO/EU/USA is continually provoking us into war with them... I'm sick and tired of this. The breakup of Yugoslavia was the biggest mistake because now foreign troops occupy Serbian soil. That kind of s*** never happened, not even the USSR could occupy us. We had our independence and now...
(Vardarska Serb, 5 August 2011 10:38)

You have your independence, but stop messing with your neighboring countries, and let us all live in peace.

(Vardarska Serb, 5 August 2011 10:38)

The is some kind of contradictions in your comment Vardarska Serb.
You say:
“The breakup of Yugoslavia was the biggest mistake because now foreign troops occupy Serbian soil.”

Are you trying to imply that Yugoslavia = Serbia?
Secondly, who and what was the main cause for the breakup or the “good old” YU?
Thirdly, have you ever thought why is that nobody wanted to stay in YU that includes Serbia? Even the small Montenegro opted to go alone.
I hope this summarises your YU.
Finally when you say that not even USSR could occupy you (I am guessing you means Serbia), why would Russia occupy Serbia when Serbia was, is and will always be Russian.

And all smugglign routes will be closed, until Serbia recognized the Made in Kosovo label.
(ERTYU, 5 August 2011 10:55)

Do they make labels for bricks of heroin?

"The KFOR/NATO/EU/USA is continually provoking us into war with them."

Who's us, the 1% of Serbia that MAY want another war against NATO or the average Serb that's trying to make a living and pay the electricity bill?

Serbia LOST the war in 1999. NATO now makes the rules, that's all. Complain to UN or go to the ICJ again.

KFOR changed them because Thaci told them too. Even humanitarian aid will come only if a humanitarian crisis is declared by UN. And all smugglign routes will be closed, until Serbia recognized the Made in Kosovo label.

Any other investments were for Serbians living in Kosovo, none was for Albanians. You know how i know this BGanon....i was here!
(Gjergj Fishta, 5 August 2011 17:41)

Investments were misused or stolen by Kosovo Albanian local administration, so investments didn't benefit ordinary people.

Gjergj you are mistaken, check many English language academic books written about Jugoslavija and the history of break up.

The problem from the Slovenian perspective was economic, they were not willing to continue being a large contributor to federal funds. That happened before so called Oct 1988 anti bureacuratic revolution in Vojvodina and Montenegro. You can see this was stated by Slovenians at League of Communist meetings before then. I might add that although there was resistance to this 'revolution' in Vojvodina, there was almost none in Montenegro. So the installment of a puppet of Milosevic in that republic was supported by a large majority of Montenegrins and small majority of people in Vojvodina, regardless of what I thought of it.

Yes the balance was upset, yes it was a power play by Milosevic. But that is a quite different point from what you were making before. No republic didn't want to live with 'us' is what you said. What Slovenia in fact wanted was to pay less into the federal budget, what other republics (and yes even some Albanians) wanted was for the Stambolic wing to beat down Milosevic.

'To Summarise, I have not seen any conclusive documentation that showed Kosovo using YU funds' - then obviously you haven't done any research. I could pull out a comprehensive book on the subject written by an English author who studied how much money was spent through federal funds, Kosovo received the most federal funds. I have pulled out statistics before here, when Albanians have argued otherwise, but I can't do it every time. That is a fact, if you are willing to look it up.

And then you have an 'armchair' claim that the money went to Serbs! What??? In Tito's Jugoslavija when Kosovo was awarded autonomy he was discrimnating against Albanians? Complete nonsense. A fair amount of the money was mismanaged or stolen of course, by Communist Serb and Albanian Kosovo leaders / companies - nothing new there.

No, what is irritating is the way that everybody tries to wash away their own responsiblity, as if it was always somebody else taking advantage, somebody else who wasn't wanted, somebody else who got the money, somebody else who was so evil.

The facts, and there are some universal facts, show rational self interested reasons for the break up of Jugoslavija. These reasons do not include 'not wanting to be with a republic of former Jug'.

@Gjergj

Yugoslavia was made up of 6 republics and Kosovo was part of Serbia in Yugoslavia (autonomous though which was a stupid but expected move by Slovenocroatian Tito).

@ERTYU

Which is why Tadic needs to stop pandering to the EU who is inherently hostile to our interests and join in an union with Russia (similar to the union that currently exists between Belarus and Russia), join the CSTO and the CIS. We didn't need to be aligned with the NATO or the Warsaw Pact during the Cold War but that was only because of Yugoslavia. We're on our own today, we have to pick a side right now.

'Do they make labels for bricks of heroin?
(Milt, 5 August 2011 12:05) '

Yes, it says for Serb kids and Serb man.
You cant wait for your hit can you ey, that is why you are interested?

We are not as good at packiging our lies like Serbia though... :(
(oh the irony, 5 August 2011 13:24)

Actually, according to the US Drug Enforcement Agency and FBI, you are the bigger nuisance to society in regards to organized crime. Sorry to burst your bubble, mate.

@Georgj:,,whu,and what was the cause of brekup ex Ygoslavija?,, answer:albanians wonted Republic and Big Albania since 1981 ! ask you dad ,i do remember that,and the truth about alanians will come out very soon,but right now enjoy..US interest...
(zoran popovic, 5 August 2011 13:00)

Zoran, I don’t have to ask my dad. I am old enough to remember 1981 and everything that preceded and post ceded that.
Do you ever ask yourself why did we not want to be with you (why nobody wanted to be with you)?
There is a saying: if three people tell you you’re drunk, hold on to something
In Serbia’s case:
- First it was Slovenia
- Then Croatia
- Bosnia followed
- Macedonia was next
- Montenegro did the same
- And finally, Kosovo
- (I smell Sanxhak or Vojvodina following suit)
Did all of them want Big Slovenia or Big Croatia, Big Bosnia, Big Macedonia, Big Montenegro??
No Zoran, they just did not want to be a part of a great Serbia.
Nuff said?

The KFOR/NATO/EU/USA is continually provoking us into war with them... I'm sick and tired of this. The breakup of Yugoslavia was the biggest mistake because now foreign troops occupy Serbian soil. That kind of s*** never happened, not even the USSR could occupy us. We had our independence and now...

KFOR changed them because Thaci told them too. Even humanitarian aid will come only if a humanitarian crisis is declared by UN. And all smugglign routes will be closed, until Serbia recognized the Made in Kosovo label.
(ERTYU, 5 August 2011 10:55)

Nobody cares what Thachi thinks,he will be the looser in this game!

As for Kosovo label recognizing,that is under no circumstances going to happen,there already exists an UNMIK stamp which they can use so there is no blockade on Kosovo goods(they dont export anything at all)!
So here is the deal:if you try to suffocate our people in the north we will do the very same with your people in the Presevo valley

-close all crossings of administrative ponits so no Albanian can go from Kosovo to Presevo and vise versa
-cap the lectricity to Kosovo!

If you want to play games with us lets play seriously!

BTW I think KFOR will agree at the end to some agreement there Serbian goods will be allowed to come in legally!

Under no circumstances there will be any concessions made to the terrorists in Pristina,their agression should not be rewarded!

I think bganon should get the B92 award for meaningful postings. Congratulation, very informative.

Negotiations with KFOR come to halt - in which case so do their supply routes to their troops!

If KFOR dare use force against the thousands of Serbian civilians who will respond peacefully to man the barricades they will be committing war crimes and (not the lie of "collateral damage") at which point the western duplicitous actions will be glaring and the action of 1999 will start to unravel.

If KFOR dare use force against the thousands of Serbian civilians who will respond peacefully to man the barricades they will be committing war crimes and (not the lie of "collateral damage") at which point the western duplicitous actions will be glaring and the action of 1999 will start to unravel.
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Serbia, 5 August 2011 11:33)

When was the last time anyone in the West was prosecuted for war crimes? The US soldiers who carried out the My Lai massacre got a slap on the wrist much to the disgust of the Vietnamese. Since then we have had Northern Ireland, Chile, Cyprus, East Timor, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Palestine and Iraq.

The West dont do accountability. They are excempt from the rule of law. They make it up as they go along and if international law does get in the way of their imperialist agenda, it's the two fingers and sod it. Surely, Princip you have realised that by now.

@Georgj:,,whu,and what was the cause of brekup ex Ygoslavija?,, answer:albanians wonted Republic and Big Albania since 1981 ! ask you dad ,i do remember that,and the truth about alanians will come out very soon,but right now enjoy..US interest...

UN must act now and tell Thaci the truth: you are not in control of Kosovo province, the UN is!

And Serbia must take Kosovo-UNMIK to court over the stamp used!

@ Georgj ;thanks asking me ,and i am happy to answer u.1)Slovenija is nothing to do with Serbians in any war,that was YU army(with albanians to !)2)Croatia allways dreamed about NDH(Independent Croatian Country)there lived large Serbian population(u know)3)Bosnia was 63%Serbian(by land)and nearly 50% by population.We had to defend our people.and3)About you(Albanians)i asked my self why you dont want to be with us...an need you HELP PLEASE.becouse you people hade everything:school and university in ALBANIAN languege FLAG !EVRYTHING ! Going back ,i can only find 1 our mistake :excepting you on our land !

Gjergj Fishta I'm really not fond of these playground type theories about this and that.
Lets do this factually - Slovenia and Croatia left Jugoslavija because they thought they would be better off economically.
Bosnia left Jugoslavija because with Slovenia and Croatia having left the balance was gone, Serbia would have dominated Jugoslavija, similar is true for Macedonia.
Montenegro broke off the union, created by Solana, because it had been going down that road for years. Its a pity that Serbia didn't declare indepdence from Montenegro, it would at least stop the playground theories.

In fact Gjergj one could argue that as a part of Serbia, all those countries left Kosovo too. In the economic sense there is even more evidence for this, because Kosovo was sucking so federal funds and all the other richer republics didn't want to pay for this. I say in all seriousness that without Kosovo, Slovenia might never have left and Jugoslavija might still exist today.

Trying to explaine anything to Gorgje Fishta is time westing !he dont except any truth ,all his comments are nonsence based on Albanian lies factory,we all know that ,but some people respect theory : 100 times repited lie become the truth ! So mr. Gorgj ,keep trying it works !Serbians knows that,but,, unfortunatly ,,they not good liers.

'Do they make labels for bricks of heroin?
(Milt, 5 August 2011 12:05) '

Yes, it says for Serb kids and Serb man.
You cant wait for your hit can you ey, that is why you are interested?

We are not as good at packiging our lies like Serbia though... :(

Surely, Princip you have realised that by now.
(Niall O'Doherty, 5 August 2011 12:51)

- Niall you now the answer to that as one who knows the truth so well too!

Sure you are right but I do consider at this point with so many duplicitous actions building up in-conjunction with the economic turmoil that the west and its military arm NATO really could not carry out any such use of force against civilians without considerable and irreparable loss of credibility and a full re-alignment of world power/politics that saw NATO as nothing more than a war mongering organisation vastly removed from its defensive raison d'être not least of all from within citizenships of member nations - many of whom just like you have a fuller viewpoint of the truth.

"Why do you want Kosovo then?
You are better of without us
We did you a favour then, wouldn’t you agree?"
(Gjergj Fishta, 5 August 2011 17:41)

It's only for historic (or nostalgic) reasons. Economically, you are totally right: Serbia would be better without Kosovo. Just like Italy would do much better without Sicilia/Palermo/Naples: These regions are ruled by mafia, corruption, and consume state budget, without being productive.

Just like some people want to keep an old house, though it's rotten and it would be cheaper to tear it down and build a new one.

Snapper I could barely read your post without cringeing. Burning at you every hour whilst you are awake and giving nightmares when they sleep?

Is that a reference to Freddy Kruger? Talk about inflated ego.

Yes its ok to be proud of who you are, but to constantly feel the need to refer to one's 'enemies' shows somebody who is deeply insecure. Don't forget Serbian music, culture (film and sport) is enjoyed throughtout the Balkans (and beyond) by non Serbs - why they would want to stop that?

Another fantastic move by my brothers in Prishtina... Belgrade has given up by its 'resistance' by accepting all of our 10 conditions... just to name a few; the Kosovar Police force alsongside KFOR and EULEX will control the railway routs between Belgrade and Mitrovica (first time since the declaration of independence); no commercial trucks will be allowed to enter the Kosova (thereby completely implementing the trade embargo against Serbia in the north) and FINALLY the removal of all illigal road blockades and barries organised by criminal thugs and fascist thieves. Have never been so proud to call myself an Albanian!

(bganon, 5 August 2011 16:10)
BGanon, you are one of the few people I do respect in these forums.
I do respect the fact that your comments are weighted and you do show respect towards people.
I know that everybody is expecting a “HOWEVER”, but I am not going to continue that way.
Instead I will try to answer your comments as accurately as I can.
You know that YU survived (until it did) thanks to the balance it had:
Slovenia, Croatia, Kosovo in one Side
Serbia, Montenegro and Vojvodina on the other.
Macedonia and BiH were the ones that decided in the end. Most of the times the two sided towards the solution that would benefit everybody.
It was Serbia that decided to kill that balance BGanon, would you agree?
It took over Vojvodina and Montenegro (to start with). It replaced their representatives with BG puppets. Next it was Kosovo: We fought and tried to keep what we had, unfortunately it was taken with Tanks (would you agree?).
What happened with the balance BGanon: Serbia now had 4 Secured votes and blocked everything.
Would you like to live in that YU it use were not a Serb BGanon.
BGanon, to solve a problem one has to dig deep into the cause (cancer).
One more note:
- if all pro-Serb posters talk about Kosovo as being a dark hole why
- If all pre-Serb posters refer to us terrorists, uneducated, backwards..
Why do you want Kosovo then?
You are better of without us
We did you a favour then, wouldn’t you agree?
To Summarise, I have not seen any conclusive documentation that showed Kosovo using YU funds: You can disagree but that does not make you right. The only investments made in Kosovo (ever) were done between 1974 and 1981.
Any other investments were for Serbians living in Kosovo, none was for Albanians. You know how i know this BGanon....i was here!

Did all of them want Big Slovenia or Big Croatia, Big Bosnia, Big Macedonia, Big Montenegro??
No Zoran, they just did not want to be a part of a great Serbia.
Nuff said?
(Gjergj Fishta, 5 August 2011 14:38)

All of them, including Serbs, wanted their ethnic states. The problem was that all these ethnicities were mixed so much that it was impossible to draw borders satisfying all of them.

"I say in all seriousness that without Kosovo, Slovenia might never have left and Jugoslavija might still exist today."

You make it sound like it would have been wise for Yugoslavia to let Kosovo go at the end of 80's, beginning of the 90's. I agree, it would have been wise for Yugoslavia to do that, but Yugoslavia was not wise back then. The Albanians too would have loved your sentence back then. The part of "without Kosovo" especially. Unfortunately it took many wars to be again in this win-win condition where Serbia does not have to lose money in Kosovo and Albanians do not have to lose their jobs in Serbia. "without Kosovo" that is. So, I do not understand Serbian's government policies. "With Kosovo" means money spent for welfare of those lazy, ignorant Albanians. "Without Kosovo", no money spent for those Albanians, money can go to Serbs in Serbia, who also need it. Why then the "fight for Kosovo"? Are you sure you are right? Are you sure Kosovo is to blame for the wars in the 90's? In all seriousness...

UN must act now and tell Thaci the truth: you are not in control of Kosovo province, the UN is!

And Serbia must take Kosovo-UNMIK to court over the stamp used!
(Ron, 5 August 2011 13:12)

Serbia has already lost once in court why lose again?
save money instead.

I will say that "Gjergj Fishta" is RIGHT in every word he has written in this forum today!
"bganon" is WRONG completelly!
Kosova was exploated to the highest level by Serbia!
I was there too and only between 1974-1981 Kosova enjoyed a kind of liberty and small prosperity! 6 years only, but we even during this period was second hands of citysens!
Thank you Gjergj!

--You have your independence, but stop messing with your neighboring countries, and let us all live in peace.
(Kosova-USA, 5 August 2011 11:21)--

Amen! I'm really proud of the people of Kosova, and of the role that KFOR is playing. Thanks, KFOR.

As for the boycott, it may seem silly but it's all about reciprocity. when serbia decides to act like a normal neighbor, it will be treated like one. period. stop tormenting the people of kosova and bosnia!
meanwhile (real) humanitarian aid is appropriate, as necessary.


ciao, people.

robert frisco

Reading Bganon/Top requesting a "reward" for herself is above the top ten funniest comments ever posted here. I have never before seen a person so totally obsessed getting recognitions and "thumbs up".

Get a life already!

The best solution to this problem would be that under supervision of EU, the referendum would be organized in the north of Kosovo where people would in free and democratic way declare whether they want to live in independent Kosovo or they want to live in Serbia.
Serbia and Kosovo can never join the EU having the burden of people who do not want to live in the states of Serbia and Kosovo respectively.
My heart can not stand any more experience or view of the people having to leave their homes in queues of trucks and tractors with improvised plastic shelters.
A terrible war has happened in Sudan. However they realized that state is not label. It must either exist for the people or it must not exist at all. Therefore South Sudan people were allowed to hold a referendum where they declared the South Sudan independence.

"I think bganon should get the B92 award for meaningful postings", LOL.

Though i suspect Top/Bganon being the same person, i think she already has a "reward" (immunity) since whatever rantings she posts are published she must be among the B92 staff in one form or another.

And Serbia must take Kosovo-UNMIK to court over the stamp used!
(Ron, 5 August 2011 13:12)

Where does one find this office of Kosovo-unmik ... I would like to send them a letter.

As for Kosovo label recognizing,that is under no circumstances going to happen,
(CG, 5 August 2011 12:39)

UNMIK has already recognized the Kosovo’s customs stamp by repeatedly assuring that they are in line with 1244 and CEFTA provisions. If Serbia does not accept them, that’s Serbia’s issue, in which case Kosovo will not accept Serbia’s.



When was the last time anyone in the West was prosecuted for war crimes? The US soldiers who carried out the My Lai massacre got a slap on the wrist much to the disgust of the Vietnamese. Since then we have had Northern Ireland, Chile, Cyprus, East Timor, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Panama, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Palestine and Iraq.
(Niall O'Doherty, 5 August 2011 12:51)


West punishes them itself; but countries like those of the former Yugoslavia don’t and hence the need for Russia, China and the West to create the ICTY.



@Georgj:,,whu,and what was the cause of brekup ex Ygoslavija?,, answer:albanians wonted Republic and Big Albania since 1981 ! ask you dad ,i do remember that,and the truth about alanians will come out very soon,but right now enjoy..US interest...
(zoran popovic, 5 August 2011 13:00)

You also forgot that the other nationalities could not live in the same house with Serbs. US interests ? Probably (even though I’ve not seen any benefit for the US so far; former Yugoslavia has nothing for the US to exploit). The fact remains that regardless of US interests or non-interests, the other nationalities could not live with Serbs.



And Serbia must take Kosovo-UNMIK to court over the stamp used!
(Ron, 5 August 2011 13:12)

Fully agree… Even though we know the result. But just to convince the Serbs again that they are on the wrong side of the law.



I agree. But mind that Kosovo is PART of Serbia!
(Ron, 5 August 2011 13:28)

Sure, if you define Serbia’s non-humanitarian goods not being allowed to enter Kosovo as Kosovo being part of Serbia, I’m sure that all Albanians in Kosovo will be saying day and night that Kosovo is part of Serbia. Is just a matter of definition my friend.

I hope that all of this arguing between Serbs and Albanians is not just a misunderstanding about definitions. Kosovo’s takes decisions independently from Serbia and Serbia defines that as Kosovo being PART of Serbia. So Serbia is defining Part = Independent from Serbia. We need to let Albanians know what Serbia means by “part” and finally all disagreements in Kosovo will be resolved and all parties will be happy.

Amusing. Funny how/why people think me and bganon are the same person. I only appreciate bganon for being one of the few posters with informative, reasonable, realistic and balanced postings, without the usual propaganda, insults, war mongering, hate speech, nationalistic extremism and ideology you can find in about 80-90% of the posts/posters here (from both sides, btw).

Amen

Investments were misused or stolen by Kosovo Albanian local administration, so investments didn't benefit ordinary people.
(aaayyy, 5 August 2011 18:19)
I think that worldwide that is the perception of the norm for the entire Eastern bloc, (including Serbia) and still exists in almost every country there now.
So are you saying Kosovo fit into its region?
(yyyaaa, 5 August 2011 22:45)

I would say Kosovo is a champion of Eastern Europe in misusing investments.

Filip Shiroka explain with facts how I was wrong - saying you were there doesn't mean much. If you don't believe that the Slovenians put money into the federal budget to be used by Kosovo then argue with them. All of that money finished in Kosovo, how it was (mis)used or if it was stolen by the local administration is a problem for Kosovo Serbs and Kosovo Albanians.

National Literacy Board, no I think that its more likely that the mulitple negative votes come from the usual trolls..

Speaking of trolling that is exactly the definition of Peggy P and Cganon's posts - ever heard of posting on topic and not making personal insults?

As for Top and myself being the same person its clear to anybody with an ounce of intelligence that our writing style is different. However, the fact that one particular troll who posts here wtf /Go East / Minas / Mickey Mouse / and perhaps Cganon share similar writing styles is very telling. I think that our US based troll is a right wing 'libetarian' nut, probably somebody who thinks they are too 'enlightened' to support Sarah Palin, but shares the philosophy on many issues.

Can somebody explain the agreement struck between prishtina and Belgrade? Is the trade ban still implemented? Reading B92 you get the impression that only heavy trucks with Serbian goods are banned but smaller trucks (smaller then 3 tons)with Serbian goods are allowed. With other words the trade ban on Serbian goods are finished...

Thank you Bganon for rushing out clarifying that you also are "Top".
Ridiculous and childish indeed...

How many times has Peggy been owned by bganon on this forum?

Anyone keeping count?

I think that our US based troll is a right wing 'libetarian' nut, probably somebody who thinks they are too 'enlightened' to support Sarah Palin, but shares the philosophy on many issues.
(bganon, 6 August 2011 14:48)

That title (libertarian who goes as far as even supporting Sarah Palin just because he hopes she will show Russians a middle finger) belongs to Joe Henel, by the way. And speaking about the polarization of the board - there the said Joe with his quasi-liberal "counter piece" (both essentially close to nazis in spirit, just in a different way) Robert Leonard Rope aka "Roberto" did "contribute" the most.

As for the original topic: I can't believe my eyes. Having the upper hand the Serbian "leadership" gives in to not even a major-ranking NATO bureaucrat (Erhard Bühler) who does not even act honestly or professionally.

I also find it devastating that according the pictures the Serbian leadership was dressed in T-shirts and other casual clothing while "negotiating". This is the way I am dressed if I am traveling. Totally unprofessional.

Now if THAT is the way Serbian leadership envisions joining the E.U. - they will be skinned alive by their negotiation partners.

There's no greater hurt feeling on this board than coming the shock that arises from a Serb who left ex-yu and has been telling themselves for 10 years how Serbia is a certain way and that they support them.

They get a shock when they realize (or don't) that they're stuck in a certain way of thinking of Serbia that doesn't exist.

The worst cases of hurt feelings on this board are from "Serbs" in the diaspora against Serbs.

Don't hate Serbs, Serbs! Serbia might not quite be like the wax-museum version in your head, but that's no reason to get angry, is it now?

BGAnon,

The albanians on b92 don't agree with you judging from the negatives. Of course the reality is that the SFRY was powered by kosovo albanian resources, intellect, manpower and ingenuity. The others were just subsidized.. They only set up the SFRY because they could control a much larger territory than the idiot to the south, Enver Hoxa....

Danilo I'm not even certain if that was Peggy, if it was, she outdid herself by accusing me of having a split personality :).

In the meantime I'm waiting for the supposed 42 people (yeah right!) who disagreed with my post to explain what they disagree with.
(bganon, 6 August 2011 19:28)
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Just wanted to clear the air. I have NEVER accused anyone of having a multiple personality.
One person who does write under multiple names is Ataman but he does this as a joke and never tries to conceal it, although I have never mentioned this before either.

So whatever I say, I always sign with my own name and don't accuse anyone of doing anything different.

Investments were misused or stolen by Kosovo Albanian local administration, so investments didn't benefit ordinary people.
(aaayyy, 5 August 2011 18:19)
I think that worldwide that is the perception of the norm for the entire Eastern bloc, (including Serbia) and still exists in almost every country there now.
So are you saying Kosovo fit into its region?

Ataman, no I don't mean that type of jingoism. The pro American part of this troll is the part that is missing, that is apart from his US paycheque. However, I'm certain that this troll who goes about the boards creating multiple identities shares Palins view on lower taxes (for the rich), private property, abortion, traditional values (hatred of gays, minorities, foreigners - even though he himself is one in the US) etc. Mix that in with a pro Russian stance and the only part that is anywhere near normal - opposing US imperialism (thank god they are sane on one issue) and we have a wrap.

Say what you like about Roberto's views, but at least he does not go about creating multiple identities to make personal attacks, or trolls thumbs up / thumbs down.

In fact wouldn't it be interesting if it turned out that this troll's real identity was somebody who was published on the internet and had their own blog? I hear that employers take a pretty dim view of politicial trolling these days...

Danilo I'm not even certain if that was Peggy, if it was, she outdid herself by accusing me of having a split personality :).

In the meantime I'm waiting for the supposed 42 people (yeah right!) who disagreed with my post to explain what they disagree with.

Bganon,

I think this board is home of some really hurt feelings.
In many cases these have nothing to do with the Serbian-Albanian controversy, that is probably the easiest part. We have here dreams and lives destroyed or twisted by the turmoils of the 20th century. And some have very serious personality problems. See their presence on youtube or the Facebook. Always wonder, why such urge of being noticed.

The ratings have a different importance but B92 carefully censors every single hint I write about the ratings for a good (from their point of view) reason.