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Saturday, 30.07.2011.

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Serbian parliament adopts declaration on Kosovo

The Serbian parliament shortly after midnight on Sunday adopted its newest declaration dedicated to Kosovo.

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Milan

pre 12 godina

"hey milan Kosovo is an internationally recognized country as well, duh!! That's what these recognitions keep pouring in each month.
(KOSO, 31 July 2011 20:48)"

You mean the one US colony per two months? To my best knowledge the majority of real countries representing a big majority of the world population think that the Serbian constitution is important in this dispute. When are you expecting the next tsunami of recognitions? Will "Kosova" accept the upcoming UDI by Palestine? How about lobbying for independence for your Kurdish cousins? As long as there is no negotiated settlement with the host nation international law cannot save you.

Milan

pre 12 godina

"IJC1",

It is interesting that Kosovo Albanians and their masters keep interpreting UNSC 1244 at will, meaning only looking at things when it suits them. It is all or nothing. If you accept one thing you have to accept it completely and since UNSC 1244 is still valid it is still an internationally-run province of the Republic of Serbia. UNSC 1244 was created before the "Kosova" constitution and that means the first is of latter value. No matter what, there is nothing in the "Kosova" constitution that prevents the Serbs in Kosovo to ignore the provincial institutions, to feel Serbs and not Kosovars, to accept leadership from Belgrade and to declare independence or autonomy and alignment with a real country or entity of their own choice. And do not pretend that suddenly you and your fellow trasher have become devine guardians of international law. As long as you support terrorist and drug lords to be your political representatives you have no moral right to lecture me or any other descent person on anything.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Who says so? You? You are almost so funny that it is pathetic and that I feel sorry for you. Serbia is an internationally recognized country, an UN member and so on. And Kosovo? It is not. Please provide me a link where your petty comments are proven to be right. I am 100% certain that you cannot. Maybe I should stop wasting my time on arguing with village computer warriors like yourself.
(Milan, 31 July 2011 19:03)

Not me sir, but other's have said so when Vuk asked them. What proof you need ? That Kosovo's constitutional framework is part of the international law ? See below (par. 88).

http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/141/15987.pdf

"The Constitutional Framework derives its binding force from the binding
character of resolution 1244 (1999) and thus from international law. In that sense it therefore possesses an international legal character"

So violating Kosovo's Constitutional Framework means violating 1244 and therefore international law. Violating Serbia's constitutions, just means violating Serbia's constitution; nobody else would care about the latter beside Serbia.

So don't be pathetic, but get informed first before being 100% sure on things you know nothing about.

Tomislav USA

pre 12 godina

You know what's hilarious is reading the Albanian comments here and other websites because they are out in force! Do you folks honestly believe that the US/NATO will bomb Serbia over you? I mean really? Like we don't have the debt issue going on, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.... I don't care how much money you throw at the congressmen here. They have their priorities and Kosovo is WAAAAYYYY down on the line. That's the simple reality that is escaping many of you. Nobody cares....

I mean what credibility has your beloved "kosova" government earned in the past three years? ZIP! You can't use the war crimes card now and the EU/NATO/US know it. A lot of you have gone into spin control and it's pretty funny to watch because you know that KFOR isn't looking to inflame anything with the Russians eagerly awaiting a cue to get involved here or in the Caucases (which you guys don't care because no on else matters). Sit back and watch for a resolution in the near future. The US can't put out fires all over the world- especially for you guys...

KOSO

pre 12 godina

hey milan Kosovo is an internationally recognized country as well, duh!! That's what these recognitions keep pouring in each month.

Milan

pre 12 godina

""Serbian parliament adopts declaration on Kosovo"

can i have this declaration so i can use it as toilet paper thanks
(dan, 31 July 2011 17:14)"

Just like I am using the "Kosova" "constitution" to pick up after my dog.

Milan

pre 12 godina

"Well, an eventual UDI by the Kosovo Serbs is against Kosovo's constitutional framework, the same way that Kosovo's UDI was against Serbia Constitution.

There is a big difference though; Kosovo's consitutional framework is international law whereas Serbia's constitution is not.
(icj1, 31 July 2011 14:15)"

Who says so? You? You are almost so funny that it is pathetic and that I feel sorry for you. Serbia is an internationally recognized country, an UN member and so on. And Kosovo? It is not. Please provide me a link where your petty comments are proven to be right. I am 100% certain that you cannot. Maybe I should stop wasting my time on arguing with village computer warriors like yourself.

n n zeka

pre 12 godina

Yes Ivan B92 changed the of President Tadiq, because he looked like a gangster in a coffee shop rather than in parliament.

Its end of the month now, and money for Mladiq is been spent, and unfortunately Albanians are boycotting their products. Surely someone has to take the blame.

B92 please bring back the original picture.

Me

pre 12 godina

"Serbian parliament adopts declaration on Kosovo"

What now? I mean what happens not that this has been adopted? I sent this link to the Kosova Government, see what happens.

think again

pre 12 godina

Until today the Serbs in Kosovo have for good and moral reasons not accepted the Albanian UDI and as a consequence they could not declare their own UDI. It has been long overdue to give the Albanians a piece of their own cake. Accept for practical reasons for one second the UDI and then immediately declare your own and renounce your previous acceptance (nobody can force you to change your mind). We all know how the Albanians would respond: you cannot do that, it is against the "Kosova" "constitution", the territotial integrity of "Kosova" cannot be compromised. Tough luck: if this can be done to Serbia it can be done to the fake monster creation of "Kosova" as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
(Milan, 31 July 2011 08:25)
Actually that would be the best thing that could happen. For North Kosovo to declare independence would put in writing that they recognize Kosovo is a sovereign state. Should Serbia recognize their independence they would also be recognizing the legitimacy of Kosovo's independence, should Russia recognize North Kosovo's independence they would legitimize Kosovo's independence. and so on..

icj1

pre 12 godina

Until today the Serbs in Kosovo have for good and moral reasons not accepted the Albanian UDI and as a consequence they could not declare their own UDI. It has been long overdue to give the Albanians a piece of their own cake. Accept for practical reasons for one second the UDI and then immediately declare your own and renounce your previous acceptance (nobody can force you to change your mind). We all know how the Albanians would respond: you cannot do that, it is against the "Kosova" "constitution", the territotial integrity of "Kosova" cannot be compromised. Tough luck: if this can be done to Serbia it can be done to the fake monster creation of "Kosova" as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
(Milan, 31 July 2011 08:25)

Well, an eventual UDI by the Kosovo Serbs is against Kosovo's constitutional framework, the same way that Kosovo's UDI was against Serbia Constitution.

There is a big difference though; Kosovo's consitutional framework is international law whereas Serbia's constitution is not.

JohnC.

pre 12 godina

A useless and totally one-sided amendment. Whom do they want to reach with that?

The culture of denial in Serbia reaches new levels. I would be surprised if Pristina or anybody else would even comment that.

Pristina and KFOR should just go ahead. They are on the right track.

Cheers!

n n zeka

pre 12 godina

Serbian government owns largest enterprises in Serbia, and as such is the largest employer. The politicians and their families run these business. Serbian private sector unfortunately is is the smallest in the Balkans. The move by Serbian government shows the level of corruption and exposes the democracy of current Serbian politics.

Some thirty thousand Serb people in Kosovo are very poor, isolated, and are being used by Serbian criminals. Non of them wouldn't want to stay in Kosovo, but they have no place to go because no one wants them even Serbia. A lot of them walk around and gossip while the youngsters worry what their future is going to be. Lost generations really. Their lifes stolen right in front of their eyes, and they can do nothing about. This is sad.

Kosovo is poor, yes everybody knows that, but that is not because of it's people, its because of mismanagement of the province for more than eighty years of Serbian/Yugoslav governments, and no one wants to go back to that.

Current government of Kosovo is not perfect, far away from it, but the people of Kosovo, and that is the Albanians, Roma (yes gypsies), Turks, Bosnians, Croatians, Gorans and even some Serbs, have been calling on this government, and previous ones, to act and to stop this illegal activities of Serbian politicians of Serbia. Yes some Kosovo politicians are part of the problem, but its the will of the people and they have no choice and to act because Kosovo state enterprises have been privatised almost all of them, and if they want their votes they have to act and make sure private sector can sell their products in the market.

The pattern of Serbian government is that when they run out money to pay themselves they hold meetings on weekends and adopt declarations about Kosovo.

One should wonder why.

roberto

pre 12 godina

Good article fr Pescanic on what is the REAL program for serbia. remember pescanik, which used to be associated with b92 once upon a time. read it carefully (and others on the site).

http://pescanik.net/content/view/7146/158/

Milan

pre 12 godina

Until today the Serbs in Kosovo have for good and moral reasons not accepted the Albanian UDI and as a consequence they could not declare their own UDI. It has been long overdue to give the Albanians a piece of their own cake. Accept for practical reasons for one second the UDI and then immediately declare your own and renounce your previous acceptance (nobody can force you to change your mind). We all know how the Albanians would respond: you cannot do that, it is against the "Kosova" "constitution", the territotial integrity of "Kosova" cannot be compromised. Tough luck: if this can be done to Serbia it can be done to the fake monster creation of "Kosova" as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

roberto

pre 12 godina

--The president stated he was joining a majority of citizens of the Western Balkans in his belief that only peace-loving policies were policies of the future. Tadić added that only such a policy could bring results in protection of Serbia and the Serb people...--

Peace, peace, peace... in the protection of the serb people. hmm, who does that remind you of... peace, peace, peace... we won't go to war... gosh, what was that guy's name, i can't quite remember. all of our people in ONE nation...

peace, peace, piece... a little peace of this, a little piece of that. it works quite well in our language. that is, a "piece" (as large as possible, if you p-lease), of "holy" kosovo, as they call it, and WHOLLy bosnia. or at least as much as they could ethnically cleanse (mass butcher.)

with all this talk of "peace" from the belgrade regime, why is it that they always seem to be on the brink of war? i mean why are they always declaring, "oh, we're not actually going to WAR over this!" (for the moment). so very reassuring.

as for the dissident opposition in serbia's um, democratic parliament: kudos to the liberals (one of the few parties w/ some scruples), and minority mps. yes, democratic serbia has ONE albanian MP, they are just so... democratic. i mean they allow him into parliament, nothing too horrible has happened to him, can you imagine? plus it looks "good" to europa europa, which is, shall we say, ethically deficient.

and yes, thanks to some good contacts (my kos. albanian pal) we met him, inside serbia's DEMOcratic parliament. oh yes we did. he's a good guy, and tough, as he very much needs to be. hey, here's a suggestion: why doesn't serbia's demoCRATic media interview him? OMG, what a suggestion, thank god for so many democrats... we're all democrats these days, right?.

but, seriously, thank you, all dissidents who speak up during these RADical times.

we, dissidents and minorities (to them) need to stay strong, stay focused, support the people of Kosova at such a difficult time. the aggressor colonialist power will not succeed, but we need to remain steadfast. never give in, never give up. freedom and democracy are precious things, not dummy platitudes to trash. stay strong!

tung! roberto frisco

ps in my opinion, i would not continue "negotiations" w/ the Radicals until the (remaining) mass graves of serbia and the industrialized burning of albanian bodies is point #1 on the agenda. #2 is to focus on reparations to individuals...

Nelli_Canada

pre 12 godina

This goverment is pretty much the same as milosevic's regime when he and his collaborators were telling serbs how to make barricades in and around Knin(Croatia) separating Zagreb from Split!. Go ahed and try same thing in Kosova, I'm sure it'll end in the very same way(maybe worse). Wake up Serbia and stop supporting the criminals in northern part of Kosova.

No_hope_there

pre 12 godina

This is simple - tear up kumanovo, move the VS right up to the "administrative line" and aim the tanks right at kfor and field marshall ferris bueller who runs from 200 Serbs. And ask for Russian and Chinese military assistence.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)
Yeah right...You know what happend last time when NATO was bombing serbia,well milosevic did ask for russian assistence,and he got it... a fishing boat in adriatic see,but you may get some rare earth metals from china.

pss

pre 12 godina

On the 29th it was reported that the resolution was to condemn Kfor for violating 1244(eventhough they hadn't). Did someone get cold feet?

icj1

pre 12 godina

Let's see:

1) NATO and the west have violated UN Resolution 1244 since day one.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Really ?! What article ? Who said that they violated it ? The Security Council has not said anything.



2) kfor violated its status-neutral agreement on Wednesday by closing the crossings.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Really ?! What is this “status-neutral” agreement ? I’ve not seen it. The only thing that KFOR should respect is 1244 and the Kumanovo Agreement and it is doing just that.



3) eulex just confessed today to violating its status-neutral agreement.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Really ?! Where is this status-neutral agreement with Eulex ?



And Serbia still continues to honor the kumanovo military agreement even though it was made during Yugoslavia time.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

“Even though it was made during Yougoslavia time"?! I thought Serbia was the successor of Yugoslavia !



This is simple - tear up kumanovo, move the VS right up to the "administrative line" and aim the tanks right at kfor and field marshall ferris bueller who runs from 200 Serbs.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Sure, it's simple; just a Security Council vote. But that’s for the Security Council to decide.



And ask for Russian and Chinese military assistence.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Sure… and they will be running to provide it :) Dude, what dreams are you seeing ?!

JohnBoy

pre 12 godina

Let's see:

1) NATO and the west have violated UN Resolution 1244 since day one.

2) kfor violated its status-neutral agreement on Wednesday by closing the crossings.

3) eulex just confessed today to violating its status-neutral agreement.

And Serbia still continues to honor the kumanovo military agreement even though it was made during Yugoslavia time. This is simple - tear up kumanovo, move the VS right up to the "administrative line" and aim the tanks right at kfor and field marshall ferris bueller who runs from 200 Serbs. And ask for Russian and Chinese military assistence.

michael

pre 12 godina

It's time to defend the Serbs in Kossovo, meaning the Serbian government! Take back what is yours and be done with it, enough of this shame that has been created already ! No other country gives up its territory!

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

I think that if there is to be Unity, then the DSS Resolution should be the one that all other Parties agree to.

Tadic and his DS always knew that after The Hague indictees were betrayed, then the next thing the America wants is Kosovo.

It would have been better to have kept The Hague indictees, because then the latest Criminal move would not have been approved by England, France, and America.

This is why America and the Leading European Union Countries are trying to steal Kosovo with their latest scheme, because Tadic an his DS for some Mental Sickness Reasons, or for some Blackmail Reasons from England, France, and America have on all their Puppets, it seems that Tadic and his are Desperate to join the Titanic called the European Union.

This is all timed for the next Election, and Tadic and the DS are Desperate that Kosovo not be an Election issue, and so this is why the Serbs must never put up with a Double Dealing Government.

michael

pre 12 godina

It's time to defend the Serbs in Kossovo, meaning the Serbian government! Take back what is yours and be done with it, enough of this shame that has been created already ! No other country gives up its territory!

JohnBoy

pre 12 godina

Let's see:

1) NATO and the west have violated UN Resolution 1244 since day one.

2) kfor violated its status-neutral agreement on Wednesday by closing the crossings.

3) eulex just confessed today to violating its status-neutral agreement.

And Serbia still continues to honor the kumanovo military agreement even though it was made during Yugoslavia time. This is simple - tear up kumanovo, move the VS right up to the "administrative line" and aim the tanks right at kfor and field marshall ferris bueller who runs from 200 Serbs. And ask for Russian and Chinese military assistence.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Let's see:

1) NATO and the west have violated UN Resolution 1244 since day one.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Really ?! What article ? Who said that they violated it ? The Security Council has not said anything.



2) kfor violated its status-neutral agreement on Wednesday by closing the crossings.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Really ?! What is this “status-neutral” agreement ? I’ve not seen it. The only thing that KFOR should respect is 1244 and the Kumanovo Agreement and it is doing just that.



3) eulex just confessed today to violating its status-neutral agreement.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Really ?! Where is this status-neutral agreement with Eulex ?



And Serbia still continues to honor the kumanovo military agreement even though it was made during Yugoslavia time.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

“Even though it was made during Yougoslavia time"?! I thought Serbia was the successor of Yugoslavia !



This is simple - tear up kumanovo, move the VS right up to the "administrative line" and aim the tanks right at kfor and field marshall ferris bueller who runs from 200 Serbs.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Sure, it's simple; just a Security Council vote. But that’s for the Security Council to decide.



And ask for Russian and Chinese military assistence.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Sure… and they will be running to provide it :) Dude, what dreams are you seeing ?!

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

I think that if there is to be Unity, then the DSS Resolution should be the one that all other Parties agree to.

Tadic and his DS always knew that after The Hague indictees were betrayed, then the next thing the America wants is Kosovo.

It would have been better to have kept The Hague indictees, because then the latest Criminal move would not have been approved by England, France, and America.

This is why America and the Leading European Union Countries are trying to steal Kosovo with their latest scheme, because Tadic an his DS for some Mental Sickness Reasons, or for some Blackmail Reasons from England, France, and America have on all their Puppets, it seems that Tadic and his are Desperate to join the Titanic called the European Union.

This is all timed for the next Election, and Tadic and the DS are Desperate that Kosovo not be an Election issue, and so this is why the Serbs must never put up with a Double Dealing Government.

No_hope_there

pre 12 godina

This is simple - tear up kumanovo, move the VS right up to the "administrative line" and aim the tanks right at kfor and field marshall ferris bueller who runs from 200 Serbs. And ask for Russian and Chinese military assistence.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)
Yeah right...You know what happend last time when NATO was bombing serbia,well milosevic did ask for russian assistence,and he got it... a fishing boat in adriatic see,but you may get some rare earth metals from china.

Nelli_Canada

pre 12 godina

This goverment is pretty much the same as milosevic's regime when he and his collaborators were telling serbs how to make barricades in and around Knin(Croatia) separating Zagreb from Split!. Go ahed and try same thing in Kosova, I'm sure it'll end in the very same way(maybe worse). Wake up Serbia and stop supporting the criminals in northern part of Kosova.

JohnC.

pre 12 godina

A useless and totally one-sided amendment. Whom do they want to reach with that?

The culture of denial in Serbia reaches new levels. I would be surprised if Pristina or anybody else would even comment that.

Pristina and KFOR should just go ahead. They are on the right track.

Cheers!

roberto

pre 12 godina

--The president stated he was joining a majority of citizens of the Western Balkans in his belief that only peace-loving policies were policies of the future. Tadić added that only such a policy could bring results in protection of Serbia and the Serb people...--

Peace, peace, peace... in the protection of the serb people. hmm, who does that remind you of... peace, peace, peace... we won't go to war... gosh, what was that guy's name, i can't quite remember. all of our people in ONE nation...

peace, peace, piece... a little peace of this, a little piece of that. it works quite well in our language. that is, a "piece" (as large as possible, if you p-lease), of "holy" kosovo, as they call it, and WHOLLy bosnia. or at least as much as they could ethnically cleanse (mass butcher.)

with all this talk of "peace" from the belgrade regime, why is it that they always seem to be on the brink of war? i mean why are they always declaring, "oh, we're not actually going to WAR over this!" (for the moment). so very reassuring.

as for the dissident opposition in serbia's um, democratic parliament: kudos to the liberals (one of the few parties w/ some scruples), and minority mps. yes, democratic serbia has ONE albanian MP, they are just so... democratic. i mean they allow him into parliament, nothing too horrible has happened to him, can you imagine? plus it looks "good" to europa europa, which is, shall we say, ethically deficient.

and yes, thanks to some good contacts (my kos. albanian pal) we met him, inside serbia's DEMOcratic parliament. oh yes we did. he's a good guy, and tough, as he very much needs to be. hey, here's a suggestion: why doesn't serbia's demoCRATic media interview him? OMG, what a suggestion, thank god for so many democrats... we're all democrats these days, right?.

but, seriously, thank you, all dissidents who speak up during these RADical times.

we, dissidents and minorities (to them) need to stay strong, stay focused, support the people of Kosova at such a difficult time. the aggressor colonialist power will not succeed, but we need to remain steadfast. never give in, never give up. freedom and democracy are precious things, not dummy platitudes to trash. stay strong!

tung! roberto frisco

ps in my opinion, i would not continue "negotiations" w/ the Radicals until the (remaining) mass graves of serbia and the industrialized burning of albanian bodies is point #1 on the agenda. #2 is to focus on reparations to individuals...

n n zeka

pre 12 godina

Serbian government owns largest enterprises in Serbia, and as such is the largest employer. The politicians and their families run these business. Serbian private sector unfortunately is is the smallest in the Balkans. The move by Serbian government shows the level of corruption and exposes the democracy of current Serbian politics.

Some thirty thousand Serb people in Kosovo are very poor, isolated, and are being used by Serbian criminals. Non of them wouldn't want to stay in Kosovo, but they have no place to go because no one wants them even Serbia. A lot of them walk around and gossip while the youngsters worry what their future is going to be. Lost generations really. Their lifes stolen right in front of their eyes, and they can do nothing about. This is sad.

Kosovo is poor, yes everybody knows that, but that is not because of it's people, its because of mismanagement of the province for more than eighty years of Serbian/Yugoslav governments, and no one wants to go back to that.

Current government of Kosovo is not perfect, far away from it, but the people of Kosovo, and that is the Albanians, Roma (yes gypsies), Turks, Bosnians, Croatians, Gorans and even some Serbs, have been calling on this government, and previous ones, to act and to stop this illegal activities of Serbian politicians of Serbia. Yes some Kosovo politicians are part of the problem, but its the will of the people and they have no choice and to act because Kosovo state enterprises have been privatised almost all of them, and if they want their votes they have to act and make sure private sector can sell their products in the market.

The pattern of Serbian government is that when they run out money to pay themselves they hold meetings on weekends and adopt declarations about Kosovo.

One should wonder why.

Milan

pre 12 godina

Until today the Serbs in Kosovo have for good and moral reasons not accepted the Albanian UDI and as a consequence they could not declare their own UDI. It has been long overdue to give the Albanians a piece of their own cake. Accept for practical reasons for one second the UDI and then immediately declare your own and renounce your previous acceptance (nobody can force you to change your mind). We all know how the Albanians would respond: you cannot do that, it is against the "Kosova" "constitution", the territotial integrity of "Kosova" cannot be compromised. Tough luck: if this can be done to Serbia it can be done to the fake monster creation of "Kosova" as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

roberto

pre 12 godina

Good article fr Pescanic on what is the REAL program for serbia. remember pescanik, which used to be associated with b92 once upon a time. read it carefully (and others on the site).

http://pescanik.net/content/view/7146/158/

pss

pre 12 godina

On the 29th it was reported that the resolution was to condemn Kfor for violating 1244(eventhough they hadn't). Did someone get cold feet?

icj1

pre 12 godina

Until today the Serbs in Kosovo have for good and moral reasons not accepted the Albanian UDI and as a consequence they could not declare their own UDI. It has been long overdue to give the Albanians a piece of their own cake. Accept for practical reasons for one second the UDI and then immediately declare your own and renounce your previous acceptance (nobody can force you to change your mind). We all know how the Albanians would respond: you cannot do that, it is against the "Kosova" "constitution", the territotial integrity of "Kosova" cannot be compromised. Tough luck: if this can be done to Serbia it can be done to the fake monster creation of "Kosova" as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
(Milan, 31 July 2011 08:25)

Well, an eventual UDI by the Kosovo Serbs is against Kosovo's constitutional framework, the same way that Kosovo's UDI was against Serbia Constitution.

There is a big difference though; Kosovo's consitutional framework is international law whereas Serbia's constitution is not.

Me

pre 12 godina

"Serbian parliament adopts declaration on Kosovo"

What now? I mean what happens not that this has been adopted? I sent this link to the Kosova Government, see what happens.

Milan

pre 12 godina

""Serbian parliament adopts declaration on Kosovo"

can i have this declaration so i can use it as toilet paper thanks
(dan, 31 July 2011 17:14)"

Just like I am using the "Kosova" "constitution" to pick up after my dog.

Milan

pre 12 godina

"Well, an eventual UDI by the Kosovo Serbs is against Kosovo's constitutional framework, the same way that Kosovo's UDI was against Serbia Constitution.

There is a big difference though; Kosovo's consitutional framework is international law whereas Serbia's constitution is not.
(icj1, 31 July 2011 14:15)"

Who says so? You? You are almost so funny that it is pathetic and that I feel sorry for you. Serbia is an internationally recognized country, an UN member and so on. And Kosovo? It is not. Please provide me a link where your petty comments are proven to be right. I am 100% certain that you cannot. Maybe I should stop wasting my time on arguing with village computer warriors like yourself.

think again

pre 12 godina

Until today the Serbs in Kosovo have for good and moral reasons not accepted the Albanian UDI and as a consequence they could not declare their own UDI. It has been long overdue to give the Albanians a piece of their own cake. Accept for practical reasons for one second the UDI and then immediately declare your own and renounce your previous acceptance (nobody can force you to change your mind). We all know how the Albanians would respond: you cannot do that, it is against the "Kosova" "constitution", the territotial integrity of "Kosova" cannot be compromised. Tough luck: if this can be done to Serbia it can be done to the fake monster creation of "Kosova" as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
(Milan, 31 July 2011 08:25)
Actually that would be the best thing that could happen. For North Kosovo to declare independence would put in writing that they recognize Kosovo is a sovereign state. Should Serbia recognize their independence they would also be recognizing the legitimacy of Kosovo's independence, should Russia recognize North Kosovo's independence they would legitimize Kosovo's independence. and so on..

Tomislav USA

pre 12 godina

You know what's hilarious is reading the Albanian comments here and other websites because they are out in force! Do you folks honestly believe that the US/NATO will bomb Serbia over you? I mean really? Like we don't have the debt issue going on, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.... I don't care how much money you throw at the congressmen here. They have their priorities and Kosovo is WAAAAYYYY down on the line. That's the simple reality that is escaping many of you. Nobody cares....

I mean what credibility has your beloved "kosova" government earned in the past three years? ZIP! You can't use the war crimes card now and the EU/NATO/US know it. A lot of you have gone into spin control and it's pretty funny to watch because you know that KFOR isn't looking to inflame anything with the Russians eagerly awaiting a cue to get involved here or in the Caucases (which you guys don't care because no on else matters). Sit back and watch for a resolution in the near future. The US can't put out fires all over the world- especially for you guys...

n n zeka

pre 12 godina

Yes Ivan B92 changed the of President Tadiq, because he looked like a gangster in a coffee shop rather than in parliament.

Its end of the month now, and money for Mladiq is been spent, and unfortunately Albanians are boycotting their products. Surely someone has to take the blame.

B92 please bring back the original picture.

Milan

pre 12 godina

"hey milan Kosovo is an internationally recognized country as well, duh!! That's what these recognitions keep pouring in each month.
(KOSO, 31 July 2011 20:48)"

You mean the one US colony per two months? To my best knowledge the majority of real countries representing a big majority of the world population think that the Serbian constitution is important in this dispute. When are you expecting the next tsunami of recognitions? Will "Kosova" accept the upcoming UDI by Palestine? How about lobbying for independence for your Kurdish cousins? As long as there is no negotiated settlement with the host nation international law cannot save you.

KOSO

pre 12 godina

hey milan Kosovo is an internationally recognized country as well, duh!! That's what these recognitions keep pouring in each month.

Milan

pre 12 godina

"IJC1",

It is interesting that Kosovo Albanians and their masters keep interpreting UNSC 1244 at will, meaning only looking at things when it suits them. It is all or nothing. If you accept one thing you have to accept it completely and since UNSC 1244 is still valid it is still an internationally-run province of the Republic of Serbia. UNSC 1244 was created before the "Kosova" constitution and that means the first is of latter value. No matter what, there is nothing in the "Kosova" constitution that prevents the Serbs in Kosovo to ignore the provincial institutions, to feel Serbs and not Kosovars, to accept leadership from Belgrade and to declare independence or autonomy and alignment with a real country or entity of their own choice. And do not pretend that suddenly you and your fellow trasher have become devine guardians of international law. As long as you support terrorist and drug lords to be your political representatives you have no moral right to lecture me or any other descent person on anything.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Who says so? You? You are almost so funny that it is pathetic and that I feel sorry for you. Serbia is an internationally recognized country, an UN member and so on. And Kosovo? It is not. Please provide me a link where your petty comments are proven to be right. I am 100% certain that you cannot. Maybe I should stop wasting my time on arguing with village computer warriors like yourself.
(Milan, 31 July 2011 19:03)

Not me sir, but other's have said so when Vuk asked them. What proof you need ? That Kosovo's constitutional framework is part of the international law ? See below (par. 88).

http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/141/15987.pdf

"The Constitutional Framework derives its binding force from the binding
character of resolution 1244 (1999) and thus from international law. In that sense it therefore possesses an international legal character"

So violating Kosovo's Constitutional Framework means violating 1244 and therefore international law. Violating Serbia's constitutions, just means violating Serbia's constitution; nobody else would care about the latter beside Serbia.

So don't be pathetic, but get informed first before being 100% sure on things you know nothing about.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Let's see:

1) NATO and the west have violated UN Resolution 1244 since day one.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Really ?! What article ? Who said that they violated it ? The Security Council has not said anything.



2) kfor violated its status-neutral agreement on Wednesday by closing the crossings.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Really ?! What is this “status-neutral” agreement ? I’ve not seen it. The only thing that KFOR should respect is 1244 and the Kumanovo Agreement and it is doing just that.



3) eulex just confessed today to violating its status-neutral agreement.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Really ?! Where is this status-neutral agreement with Eulex ?



And Serbia still continues to honor the kumanovo military agreement even though it was made during Yugoslavia time.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

“Even though it was made during Yougoslavia time"?! I thought Serbia was the successor of Yugoslavia !



This is simple - tear up kumanovo, move the VS right up to the "administrative line" and aim the tanks right at kfor and field marshall ferris bueller who runs from 200 Serbs.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Sure, it's simple; just a Security Council vote. But that’s for the Security Council to decide.



And ask for Russian and Chinese military assistence.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)

Sure… and they will be running to provide it :) Dude, what dreams are you seeing ?!

JohnBoy

pre 12 godina

Let's see:

1) NATO and the west have violated UN Resolution 1244 since day one.

2) kfor violated its status-neutral agreement on Wednesday by closing the crossings.

3) eulex just confessed today to violating its status-neutral agreement.

And Serbia still continues to honor the kumanovo military agreement even though it was made during Yugoslavia time. This is simple - tear up kumanovo, move the VS right up to the "administrative line" and aim the tanks right at kfor and field marshall ferris bueller who runs from 200 Serbs. And ask for Russian and Chinese military assistence.

roberto

pre 12 godina

--The president stated he was joining a majority of citizens of the Western Balkans in his belief that only peace-loving policies were policies of the future. Tadić added that only such a policy could bring results in protection of Serbia and the Serb people...--

Peace, peace, peace... in the protection of the serb people. hmm, who does that remind you of... peace, peace, peace... we won't go to war... gosh, what was that guy's name, i can't quite remember. all of our people in ONE nation...

peace, peace, piece... a little peace of this, a little piece of that. it works quite well in our language. that is, a "piece" (as large as possible, if you p-lease), of "holy" kosovo, as they call it, and WHOLLy bosnia. or at least as much as they could ethnically cleanse (mass butcher.)

with all this talk of "peace" from the belgrade regime, why is it that they always seem to be on the brink of war? i mean why are they always declaring, "oh, we're not actually going to WAR over this!" (for the moment). so very reassuring.

as for the dissident opposition in serbia's um, democratic parliament: kudos to the liberals (one of the few parties w/ some scruples), and minority mps. yes, democratic serbia has ONE albanian MP, they are just so... democratic. i mean they allow him into parliament, nothing too horrible has happened to him, can you imagine? plus it looks "good" to europa europa, which is, shall we say, ethically deficient.

and yes, thanks to some good contacts (my kos. albanian pal) we met him, inside serbia's DEMOcratic parliament. oh yes we did. he's a good guy, and tough, as he very much needs to be. hey, here's a suggestion: why doesn't serbia's demoCRATic media interview him? OMG, what a suggestion, thank god for so many democrats... we're all democrats these days, right?.

but, seriously, thank you, all dissidents who speak up during these RADical times.

we, dissidents and minorities (to them) need to stay strong, stay focused, support the people of Kosova at such a difficult time. the aggressor colonialist power will not succeed, but we need to remain steadfast. never give in, never give up. freedom and democracy are precious things, not dummy platitudes to trash. stay strong!

tung! roberto frisco

ps in my opinion, i would not continue "negotiations" w/ the Radicals until the (remaining) mass graves of serbia and the industrialized burning of albanian bodies is point #1 on the agenda. #2 is to focus on reparations to individuals...

Nelli_Canada

pre 12 godina

This goverment is pretty much the same as milosevic's regime when he and his collaborators were telling serbs how to make barricades in and around Knin(Croatia) separating Zagreb from Split!. Go ahed and try same thing in Kosova, I'm sure it'll end in the very same way(maybe worse). Wake up Serbia and stop supporting the criminals in northern part of Kosova.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

I think that if there is to be Unity, then the DSS Resolution should be the one that all other Parties agree to.

Tadic and his DS always knew that after The Hague indictees were betrayed, then the next thing the America wants is Kosovo.

It would have been better to have kept The Hague indictees, because then the latest Criminal move would not have been approved by England, France, and America.

This is why America and the Leading European Union Countries are trying to steal Kosovo with their latest scheme, because Tadic an his DS for some Mental Sickness Reasons, or for some Blackmail Reasons from England, France, and America have on all their Puppets, it seems that Tadic and his are Desperate to join the Titanic called the European Union.

This is all timed for the next Election, and Tadic and the DS are Desperate that Kosovo not be an Election issue, and so this is why the Serbs must never put up with a Double Dealing Government.

michael

pre 12 godina

It's time to defend the Serbs in Kossovo, meaning the Serbian government! Take back what is yours and be done with it, enough of this shame that has been created already ! No other country gives up its territory!

JohnC.

pre 12 godina

A useless and totally one-sided amendment. Whom do they want to reach with that?

The culture of denial in Serbia reaches new levels. I would be surprised if Pristina or anybody else would even comment that.

Pristina and KFOR should just go ahead. They are on the right track.

Cheers!

roberto

pre 12 godina

Good article fr Pescanic on what is the REAL program for serbia. remember pescanik, which used to be associated with b92 once upon a time. read it carefully (and others on the site).

http://pescanik.net/content/view/7146/158/

Milan

pre 12 godina

Until today the Serbs in Kosovo have for good and moral reasons not accepted the Albanian UDI and as a consequence they could not declare their own UDI. It has been long overdue to give the Albanians a piece of their own cake. Accept for practical reasons for one second the UDI and then immediately declare your own and renounce your previous acceptance (nobody can force you to change your mind). We all know how the Albanians would respond: you cannot do that, it is against the "Kosova" "constitution", the territotial integrity of "Kosova" cannot be compromised. Tough luck: if this can be done to Serbia it can be done to the fake monster creation of "Kosova" as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

n n zeka

pre 12 godina

Serbian government owns largest enterprises in Serbia, and as such is the largest employer. The politicians and their families run these business. Serbian private sector unfortunately is is the smallest in the Balkans. The move by Serbian government shows the level of corruption and exposes the democracy of current Serbian politics.

Some thirty thousand Serb people in Kosovo are very poor, isolated, and are being used by Serbian criminals. Non of them wouldn't want to stay in Kosovo, but they have no place to go because no one wants them even Serbia. A lot of them walk around and gossip while the youngsters worry what their future is going to be. Lost generations really. Their lifes stolen right in front of their eyes, and they can do nothing about. This is sad.

Kosovo is poor, yes everybody knows that, but that is not because of it's people, its because of mismanagement of the province for more than eighty years of Serbian/Yugoslav governments, and no one wants to go back to that.

Current government of Kosovo is not perfect, far away from it, but the people of Kosovo, and that is the Albanians, Roma (yes gypsies), Turks, Bosnians, Croatians, Gorans and even some Serbs, have been calling on this government, and previous ones, to act and to stop this illegal activities of Serbian politicians of Serbia. Yes some Kosovo politicians are part of the problem, but its the will of the people and they have no choice and to act because Kosovo state enterprises have been privatised almost all of them, and if they want their votes they have to act and make sure private sector can sell their products in the market.

The pattern of Serbian government is that when they run out money to pay themselves they hold meetings on weekends and adopt declarations about Kosovo.

One should wonder why.

icj1

pre 12 godina

Until today the Serbs in Kosovo have for good and moral reasons not accepted the Albanian UDI and as a consequence they could not declare their own UDI. It has been long overdue to give the Albanians a piece of their own cake. Accept for practical reasons for one second the UDI and then immediately declare your own and renounce your previous acceptance (nobody can force you to change your mind). We all know how the Albanians would respond: you cannot do that, it is against the "Kosova" "constitution", the territotial integrity of "Kosova" cannot be compromised. Tough luck: if this can be done to Serbia it can be done to the fake monster creation of "Kosova" as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
(Milan, 31 July 2011 08:25)

Well, an eventual UDI by the Kosovo Serbs is against Kosovo's constitutional framework, the same way that Kosovo's UDI was against Serbia Constitution.

There is a big difference though; Kosovo's consitutional framework is international law whereas Serbia's constitution is not.

No_hope_there

pre 12 godina

This is simple - tear up kumanovo, move the VS right up to the "administrative line" and aim the tanks right at kfor and field marshall ferris bueller who runs from 200 Serbs. And ask for Russian and Chinese military assistence.
(JohnBoy, 30 July 2011 16:06)
Yeah right...You know what happend last time when NATO was bombing serbia,well milosevic did ask for russian assistence,and he got it... a fishing boat in adriatic see,but you may get some rare earth metals from china.

Milan

pre 12 godina

""Serbian parliament adopts declaration on Kosovo"

can i have this declaration so i can use it as toilet paper thanks
(dan, 31 July 2011 17:14)"

Just like I am using the "Kosova" "constitution" to pick up after my dog.

Tomislav USA

pre 12 godina

You know what's hilarious is reading the Albanian comments here and other websites because they are out in force! Do you folks honestly believe that the US/NATO will bomb Serbia over you? I mean really? Like we don't have the debt issue going on, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc.... I don't care how much money you throw at the congressmen here. They have their priorities and Kosovo is WAAAAYYYY down on the line. That's the simple reality that is escaping many of you. Nobody cares....

I mean what credibility has your beloved "kosova" government earned in the past three years? ZIP! You can't use the war crimes card now and the EU/NATO/US know it. A lot of you have gone into spin control and it's pretty funny to watch because you know that KFOR isn't looking to inflame anything with the Russians eagerly awaiting a cue to get involved here or in the Caucases (which you guys don't care because no on else matters). Sit back and watch for a resolution in the near future. The US can't put out fires all over the world- especially for you guys...

pss

pre 12 godina

On the 29th it was reported that the resolution was to condemn Kfor for violating 1244(eventhough they hadn't). Did someone get cold feet?

Milan

pre 12 godina

"Well, an eventual UDI by the Kosovo Serbs is against Kosovo's constitutional framework, the same way that Kosovo's UDI was against Serbia Constitution.

There is a big difference though; Kosovo's consitutional framework is international law whereas Serbia's constitution is not.
(icj1, 31 July 2011 14:15)"

Who says so? You? You are almost so funny that it is pathetic and that I feel sorry for you. Serbia is an internationally recognized country, an UN member and so on. And Kosovo? It is not. Please provide me a link where your petty comments are proven to be right. I am 100% certain that you cannot. Maybe I should stop wasting my time on arguing with village computer warriors like yourself.

think again

pre 12 godina

Until today the Serbs in Kosovo have for good and moral reasons not accepted the Albanian UDI and as a consequence they could not declare their own UDI. It has been long overdue to give the Albanians a piece of their own cake. Accept for practical reasons for one second the UDI and then immediately declare your own and renounce your previous acceptance (nobody can force you to change your mind). We all know how the Albanians would respond: you cannot do that, it is against the "Kosova" "constitution", the territotial integrity of "Kosova" cannot be compromised. Tough luck: if this can be done to Serbia it can be done to the fake monster creation of "Kosova" as well. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
(Milan, 31 July 2011 08:25)
Actually that would be the best thing that could happen. For North Kosovo to declare independence would put in writing that they recognize Kosovo is a sovereign state. Should Serbia recognize their independence they would also be recognizing the legitimacy of Kosovo's independence, should Russia recognize North Kosovo's independence they would legitimize Kosovo's independence. and so on..

icj1

pre 12 godina

Who says so? You? You are almost so funny that it is pathetic and that I feel sorry for you. Serbia is an internationally recognized country, an UN member and so on. And Kosovo? It is not. Please provide me a link where your petty comments are proven to be right. I am 100% certain that you cannot. Maybe I should stop wasting my time on arguing with village computer warriors like yourself.
(Milan, 31 July 2011 19:03)

Not me sir, but other's have said so when Vuk asked them. What proof you need ? That Kosovo's constitutional framework is part of the international law ? See below (par. 88).

http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/files/141/15987.pdf

"The Constitutional Framework derives its binding force from the binding
character of resolution 1244 (1999) and thus from international law. In that sense it therefore possesses an international legal character"

So violating Kosovo's Constitutional Framework means violating 1244 and therefore international law. Violating Serbia's constitutions, just means violating Serbia's constitution; nobody else would care about the latter beside Serbia.

So don't be pathetic, but get informed first before being 100% sure on things you know nothing about.

n n zeka

pre 12 godina

Yes Ivan B92 changed the of President Tadiq, because he looked like a gangster in a coffee shop rather than in parliament.

Its end of the month now, and money for Mladiq is been spent, and unfortunately Albanians are boycotting their products. Surely someone has to take the blame.

B92 please bring back the original picture.

KOSO

pre 12 godina

hey milan Kosovo is an internationally recognized country as well, duh!! That's what these recognitions keep pouring in each month.

Milan

pre 12 godina

"hey milan Kosovo is an internationally recognized country as well, duh!! That's what these recognitions keep pouring in each month.
(KOSO, 31 July 2011 20:48)"

You mean the one US colony per two months? To my best knowledge the majority of real countries representing a big majority of the world population think that the Serbian constitution is important in this dispute. When are you expecting the next tsunami of recognitions? Will "Kosova" accept the upcoming UDI by Palestine? How about lobbying for independence for your Kurdish cousins? As long as there is no negotiated settlement with the host nation international law cannot save you.

Me

pre 12 godina

"Serbian parliament adopts declaration on Kosovo"

What now? I mean what happens not that this has been adopted? I sent this link to the Kosova Government, see what happens.

Milan

pre 12 godina

"IJC1",

It is interesting that Kosovo Albanians and their masters keep interpreting UNSC 1244 at will, meaning only looking at things when it suits them. It is all or nothing. If you accept one thing you have to accept it completely and since UNSC 1244 is still valid it is still an internationally-run province of the Republic of Serbia. UNSC 1244 was created before the "Kosova" constitution and that means the first is of latter value. No matter what, there is nothing in the "Kosova" constitution that prevents the Serbs in Kosovo to ignore the provincial institutions, to feel Serbs and not Kosovars, to accept leadership from Belgrade and to declare independence or autonomy and alignment with a real country or entity of their own choice. And do not pretend that suddenly you and your fellow trasher have become devine guardians of international law. As long as you support terrorist and drug lords to be your political representatives you have no moral right to lecture me or any other descent person on anything.