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Friday, 22.07.2011.

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"Pressure increasing on Serbia to recognize Kosovo"

Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić says of the Priština authorities on the embargo on goods coming from central Serbia was "unsustainable".

Izvor: M. Lj.

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Peggy

pre 12 godina

I guess you've never been to Kosovo, Walley.
(Danilo, 24 July 2011 09:09)
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So then produce this evidence which predates Serbian evidence in Kosovo.
I have been asking forever now for someone to produce something which proves your theory but so far nothing.

All we ever get is "we are illyrian" BS and were were there first.

So what happeened? Did Serbia fight a bloody war in order to invade Kosovo and expell and destroy all evidence of Albanians there?
Just some evidence before you mouth off again.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

"Re-integrating Kosovo into Serbia would have meant another war that nobody in the West had the will to deal with. The options they had were (1) re-integrate 2M hostile people into Serbia, v.s. (2) keep 100k hostile people in an indepepdent Kosovo. Obviously (2) was a much easier and cheaper thing to
(icj1, 23 July 2011 05:00)

Correct. This has been the easiest way to stop the war. Maybe to add: The west, naively, believed that they could establish a multiethnic, democratic, European state in Kosovo. At latest after the last elections, even the most optimistic person must have realized that this was just an idea, an illusion than won't work. Like in Afghanistan, you cannot impose democracy, state institutions and European values based on human rights on people who still live in clans in the year 2011, are based on absolute clan loyality, with mafia structures being present up to the highest ranking government layers, combined with politicians who think 'I am the state' and who only care for their own pockets. Sometimes I wonder why the Kosovo Albanians prfer to live in these structures. Because they never experienced anything else?
(Analyst, 24 July 2011 11:51)

I don't think the West or anybody else believed that a multiethnic state would be possible in Kosovo, too. It's obvious that Albanians and Serbs can't live together (at least for a few decades in the future). North Kosovo is kept within Kosovo for now just as a bargaining chip, but ultimately would go under Serbia (as it makes sense from a practical point of view) in exchange for something for Kosovo. Of course, 1244 would need to be modified to let North Kosovo go under Serbia.

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Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Re-integrating Kosovo into Serbia would have meant another war that nobody in the West had the will to deal with. The options they had were (1) re-integrate 2M hostile people into Serbia, v.s. (2) keep 100k hostile people in an indepepdent Kosovo. Obviously (2) was a much easier and cheaper thing to
(icj1, 23 July 2011 05:00)

Correct. This has been the easiest way to stop the war. Maybe to add: The west, naively, believed that they could establish a multiethnic, democratic, European state in Kosovo. At latest after the last elections, even the most optimistic person must have realized that this was just an idea, an illusion than won't work. Like in Afghanistan, you cannot impose democracy, state institutions and European values based on human rights on people who still live in clans in the year 2011, are based on absolute clan loyality, with mafia structures being present up to the highest ranking government layers, combined with politicians who think 'I am the state' and who only care for their own pockets. Sometimes I wonder why the Kosovo Albanians prfer to live in these structures. Because they never experienced anything else?

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Wally

pre 12 godina

icj Noone can ever claim the Albanians are the indigenous population of Kosovo as there is little or no evidence of their presence in Kosovo since max 100 years. Makes them newcomers. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

icj- thanks for recognising Serbia's historical rights in Kosovo. It is true, our presence there has been much longer and deeper than the Albanians. But not only battles, ancient churches and Serbian culture exists, but only just.
(Wally, 23 July 2011 12:24)

You are welcome... In all my posts here I've always assumed that Serbs have been in Kovoso for 100, 1000, 10000 or whatever years regardless of whether that is true or not. Some Albanians here enter into long academic discussions that the Albanians came first in Kovoso 100, 1000, 10000 or whatever years ago, with that Illyrians story and bla, bla, bla... as if who inhabited Kosovo 100, 1000 or 100000 years ago or since the Earth's creation has any relevance for Kosovo's current and future status.

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Zagortenej

pre 12 godina

New recognition and serbian media doesnt even report it! I thought they care about kosovo aaaa or is it only to hear what they like .. Lies.. Pragmaticism of it all goes on living unheard of by serb ears which are very sensitive according to serb media..better not tell them!

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cees

pre 12 godina

Since 17 February 2008, the date of Kosova,s independence, Jeremic is talking about the pressure from ‘big’ countries on other countries to recognize this country. Every month he is telling us that this pressure is mounting, which means that it is still getting bigger. I doubt that this is possible and he is using this form perpetually in order to keep his job by showing, how diligently he is defending Serbia’s interests.
Further we have the same game Serbia is still playing since they thought to find out that they are the under-privileged and threatened by their neighbours. At first you strike first – in this case: breaking the rules of the CEFTA agreement by forbidding goods from Kosova to enter Serbia – and when a negative reaction on this follows to point to the other side that they are the evil-doers. Maybe this has worked during the time of the Yugoslavian kingdom or even partly under Tito, in which period Serbia could rely on their overrepresentation in state organs in order to keep their “leading role”, but this time is over. Serbia is what it is, a Balkan state on the same level as the other states and his strive for special treatment is over. Serbia’s unilateral move to block goods from Kosova was answered by the Kosova government after three years of patiently waiting for its cancellation by the Serbian government.

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Wally

pre 12 godina

icj- thanks for recognising Serbia's historical rights in Kosovo. It is true, our presence there has been much longer and deeper than the Albanians. But not only battles, ancient churches and Serbian culture exists, but only just.

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Willi Pfaff

pre 12 godina

The Serb reaction just shows once more how onesided, worong, bind and reticules Serbian politics are. They talk about a violation of the CEFTA agreement by Kosovo, when they have been doing the exact same thing for years. It is time, and fully understandable, that Kosovo gives Serbia a dose of their own medicine.

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Joe A

pre 12 godina

With this embargo, some key international players want to 'starve' Serbia and Serbs in the north of Kosovo into submission but I think it will only be to the benefit of smugglers and black market traders.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

If 1244 is breached by udi, then one day in the future there will be opportunity to change the current situation. 1244 is already in the breach.
(Bob, 22 July 2011 19:25)

Vuk asked that question already and was told by the ICJ that the UDI did not violate 1244. So that matter is settled thanks to Vuk.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

Remember, 117 countries do NOT recognize Kosovo other than a Serbian province. Continue your struggle Serbia.
(Staff, 22 July 2011 16:19)

Please provide the statements of 117 countries that they do NOT recognize Kosovo. I've seen only about 20 so far (for example from Serbia, Russia, Slovakia, etc...), so hopefully you can illuminate us with the remaining ones...

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icj1

pre 12 godina

To those Albanians out there whom are continuing to celebrate false victories, you are still not a member of the UN,
(Daniel, 22 July 2011 22:33)

Excuse me for my ignorance, but if Kosovo took up Serbia's offer of "more than autonomy less than independence" (whatever that thing means), would Kosovo become a UN member ?

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icj1

pre 12 godina

You really have to wonder WHY it is so important for some of these "influential" countries (AKA the "West") to continue their pressure on other countries to recognize Kosovo? Why is such a small, land-locked province of such value to the West? Is it the Trepca mines....or Camp Bondsteel...or the "hatred" against the Serbs....or the muslim population???? Besides diplomatic pressures from the US, UK, Germany, etc., do these countries have the military will to "defend" their tiny Kosovo again, with three other "wars" going on???
(Rick, 22 July 2011 15:16)

You pretty much gave the answer yourself... Re-integrating Kosovo into Serbia would have meant another war that nobody in the West had the will to deal with. The options they had were (1) re-integrate 2M hostile people into Serbia, v.s. (2) keep 100k hostile people in an indepepdent Kosovo. Obviously (2) was a much easier and cheaper thing to do. Unfortunately for Serbia, the countries which do matter considered the practical side of things for the future and not 600-year old battles :)

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sj

pre 12 godina

To understand why the west is persisting with supporting the Albanians in Kosovo you have to have a little understanding of how policy development works in the west.
Initially, the west wanted Serbia under its control but a few bad moves on its part made that impossible. Serbia was the key to contain Russian domination of Europe through its energy resources; I’m not saying that Serbia is the centre of the Universe, but it is strategically positioned in Eastern Europe and history has shown that to access the east from the west or vice versa you have to cross Serbia.
Kosovo became a second prize for the US; if it could not dominate Serbia any other way then breaking away Kosovo would cause a revolution in Belgrade and remove Milosevic from power. Whoever thinks that the US went into Kosovo because they felt pity for the Albanians is fooling themselves. They used the Kosovo scenario to advantage; in fact the US with willing members of the KLA even murdered their own people to blame it on the Serbs. Some even say that Bill Clinton used this situation as a diversion because of his dalliance with Monica, but this was a fortunate coincidence as the US needed Kosovo for regime change. Although Milosevic was removed little had changed.
The US was now stuck was a small and unproductive area of land where the only thing in abundance is mouths to feed and to reverse policy would be the pinnacle of embarrassment. So what are they after you might ask? They want to keep this region “independent” as payment for support given by the Albanians during the 19990s, but they also want Serbia to allow the Albanians to move freely around the rest of Serbia to look for work as opportunities open up – there have been many situations where Albanians (you know the ones Serbs murdered and tortured) now seek work in Kragujevac, Jagodina and other cities, but are returned by the bus load daily back to Kosovo. Mind you these people speak Serbian fluently and are not scared from their “wartime” experiences in seeking work in Serbia.
The west wants Serbia to do the same with Kosovo it is demanding from China with Tibet – let it go but you must prop it up and we will open bases near you and make threats to you.
All Jeremic is doing is keeping the fires lit up and the pot bubbling so that Serbia does not become complacent. As I have said many times before the entire world can recognize Kosovo but if Serbia does not then it status quo.
As far as this “economic embargo” on Serbian goods is concerned, it’s an Albanian joke – in fact it looks like one that was written by Jim Belushi. They will be TOLD to pull their heads in and shut up.

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Milan

pre 12 godina

"What does all of this have to do with Serbia? Where does Serbia receive the almost all free money from? From China or Russia?
(Simpatiku, 22 July 2011 21:47)"

It is likely that Serbia, Libya,and other "hot spots" are part of the same global "Stratego" game. It is the same game that has been played for 1000s of years, but now the players and locations are different. In addition, you do not have to send whole armies to conquer and occupy whole regions. I am not Serbia's chief accountant or bank president and so I have no idea where Serbia loans its money. In this world they certainly do not get anything for free. In the end it is all about location, location, location, energy, water, resources, and of course money, preferably lots of it. And not to mention domination based on the idea that you are better than all others and that because of that you have the right to take everything you need and want at will.

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Daniel

pre 12 godina

You are doing a great Job Vuk. Keep it up. There are many individuals lobbying hard for other countries to recognize Kosovo. Regardless of the reason, these pathetic individuals won't stop. However, the Serbian resolve is strong and because of it, roadblocks are in place that will continue to snarl the Albanians' efforts to steal Kosovo without a fair solution. To those Albanians out there whom are continuing to celebrate false victories, you are still not a member of the UN, nor can your sport teams play in important international competitions. If you were a real country, you would be a) a member of the UN and b) your sport teams would be allowed to compete internationally. You will not be able to even join the EU until you sit at the negotiating table and come to a mutually agreed-upon solution with the Serbs. Thus, at this point you are in a state of limbo. You may feel that you are independent but without the help of foreign powers, you are nothing and have absolutely nothing. You need Serbia to recognize your independence and they will only if you sit at the negotiating table and act like serious adults. If that's not possible, be prepared to live in Limbo forever. Serbs can wait and wait and wait and wait...

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JohnC.

pre 12 godina

What is pressure?
...
(Bob, 22 July 2011 19:25)

There is none, at least not from where Vuk claims of. Even Romania recently said that there is no pressure. There are also other examples which so clearly how stupid that claim is. Why on Earth is possible "to pressure Japan but not island countries in the Caribbean? Not even Haiti recognizes Kosovo and there is no need to tell how easy it would be for Washington to make this happen if they really would be eager to pressure anybody.

Vuk constantly over-exaggerates the Kosovo topic, as if the world revolves around this topic. It doesn't. I not even see on the agenda of major discussion, unlike topics as Libya, Syria, Venezuela, etc. Nobody makes fuss around that topic except for Belgrade.

However, there is a growing pressure, but this comes from within. It is the pressure of fatigue by Belgrade itself and the fact that nothing can be achieved with that stance. Does anybody really believe that after a decade of hiding, Mladic and Hadzic suddenly showed up, "caught by the Serbian authorities"? Especially in such a short time window?? No, that is the pure desperation to appease Western powers and to get entry into the EU club, while trying to divert the very clear statements by German authorities only recently.

This is such an obvious game that I'm only wondering if they really believe in their own lies, because nobody with a brain buys that.

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Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

I think it is a very dangerous game that some people want to play. China has not forgotten the humiliation of European imperialism there when it was weak and I am sure China has vowed that those days will never come back.
(Milan, 22 July 2011 19:29)

What does all of this have to do with Serbia? Where does Serbia receive the almost all free money from? From China or Russia?

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Albanian Realist!

pre 12 godina

Since Serbian government has been yielding that Kosovo was not signed CEFTA and therefore Serbia didn't recognize Kosovo stamp. So this it means that Kosovo didn't violated anything moreover CEFTA, because Kosovo didn't signed CEFTA but UNMIK.

Also to remind all the people in Serbia that Kosovo decision says that Kosovo doesn't recognize Serbian Custom stamps and nothing about Serbian goods. So don't let yourself be manipulated like during 90s when Milosevic washed brain of the most of the people saying that all International Community hates great Serbian nation because they are the best created by the God. Please step down and touch the reality because most of international people mistake Serbia with Siberia. Please accept the reality, you wont change anything.

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Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Remember, 117 countries do NOT recognize Kosovo other than a Serbian province. Continue your struggle Serbia. 95% of the world population is with you !!
(Staff, 22 July 2011 16:19)

Oh, and 117 countries that did not recognize Kosovo yet are on Serbian side? If you succeeded on making fool out of yourself please spare the others. In 2008 there was a number of 172 of these so called "friends" of Serbia. While I am typing this comment your "famous" number 117 is down to 116 and is inevitably counting down.

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Amer

pre 12 godina

"Highly influential world countries are doing their best to pressure others into recognizing Kosovo. "

As is - more effectively - Mr. Pacolli: the Republic of Central Africa today became no. 77.

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Amer

pre 12 godina

"Highly influential world countries are doing their best to pressure others into recognizing Kosovo. "

As is - more effectively - Mr. Pacolli: the Republic of Central Africa today became no. 77.

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hfh

pre 12 godina

"This is a step that represents a violation of the CEFTA agreement, principles, and good will that both sides have shown in the dialogue so far. However, this should not come as a surprise taking into account who we are dealing with," the minister said.

"Just like Serbian President Boris Tadić said, we will respond diplomatically and sensibly, rather than reciprocally, and we will request the world's diplomatic support for our position. We will see how much support we will get," Jeremić stated.

Somebody should really explain to this guy the meaning of the word "diplomatic" because statements like this just aren't.

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Milan

pre 12 godina

Rick,

You are asking lots of logical and legitimate questions! Most questions can be answered with some common sense, but remain kind of speculative and can be based on some kind of conspiracy. In the end it is all most likely part of some big scheme that most of us cannot imagine, even in our wildest dreams. It is probably part of a geo-political game most likely The West is trying to play against China and its allies/partners to curb its growing influence, which is apparently concerning a lot of people in Western capitals. Two days ago the article in the following link was published and it is clear that The West is trying to let other countries do the dirty work based on the prospect of some shady rewards in the future.

http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-urges-india-expand-influence-093840435.html

The West is afraid of and cannot confront China directly and so they are trying to create all kinds of tensions that will irritate Beijing, but that will not distract the Chinese to keep going with their project to make this the Chinese Century. I think it is a very dangerous game that some people want to play. China has not forgotten the humiliation of European imperialism there when it was weak and I am sure China has vowed that those days will never come back.

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Bob

pre 12 godina

What is pressure?

As long as Serbia remains immoveable, no amount of pressure is going to change the current view.

1244 talks of autonomy not independence. If 1244 is breached by udi, then one day in the future there will be opportunity to change the current situation. 1244 is already in the breach.

Once the Albanians try to join Kosovo with Albania, Serbia will have every legal right to defend its territory by force. If Serbia did recognise Kosovo then that legal right would go away. What would happen instead is that underground nationalism would restart the process by less controlled routes.

The best solution for Kosovo is to seek good relations with Serbia under the current situation. It will never get any better than this.

However, the US and the UK in particular will keep their political and diplomatic games going indefinitely - why? The answer is to spite Serbia because of the policies of Milosevic.

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Milan

pre 12 godina

I sincerely hope that the International Community will recognize all the efforts of the Serbian authorities to resolce all issues peacefully. The Serbian populace is constantly being provoked by extremists.. I hope we have the patience to cope with all of this. My second thought is regarding security. I hope there is a real military action plan in case Nato attempts to take the remaning area of Mitrovica from the Serbs.

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Ratko

pre 12 godina

We know uncle sam & germans told alban terrorists to start a so called blockade. As if uck terrorists would be allowed to do anything without approval from big brother.. if albans don't listen then boom alban narco clan gets busted in NYC.

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Bill

pre 12 godina

Comments above reflect typical Balkan peasant merntality; bravado and threats. Threat of war, boy...every one will just stand by and see Serbia just march on. This is not early 1900's. Please wake up!

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Analyst

pre 12 godina

"P.S.: If I was in charge of Kosovo I would from now on use "the country that mustn't be named" on my customs stamps. Perhaps this would please Serbia since they could feel like they were Harry Potter... "
(Iznogoud, 22 July 2011 16:38)

Even easier: Kosovo could have simply keep on using the custom stamps that are valid, internationally recognized (UN1244) and mentioned in the CEFTA agreement, named "UNMIK-Kosovo".

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rote

pre 12 godina

Missions completed :

1. Demonization of Serbs as a nation.
2. Exposing Kelmending people as victims.
3. Airstrikes and it’s propagandist cover.
4. Forming an anti-Serbian front.
5. Measures to legalize Barbarism of Feb.1999.
6. Demoralization of Serbia.
7. Otpor 5-th column.
8. Total blackmailing and pressing at Serbia.
9. Legalization of the organ trafficking state.
10. Serb hunting tribunal.
11. Treason of all Serbian patriots. Ect.

New levels to come one way or another :

12. Urgent forming of a new obstacle course for Serbia.
13. Praising Serbia as a good schoolboy.
14. Demand of compromise with all the neighbors.
15. Autonomy for Voivodina.
16. Rendering special rights for the Muslims in the South of Serbia.
17. Budget deficite.
18. Corruption.
19. Criminal.
20. Supporting of the Otpor candidates at all the elections.
21. Special positions of several countries.
22. Accepting of Croatia to EU.
23. Moratorium for further enlargement of EU ect.

God knows what else they will astonish us with. But two things we can’t doubt. One is that it will be done in the mist cynical way and second they have no mercy for their prisoners of war. Galley will be a good outcome.

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roberto

pre 12 godina

--In view of the Kosovo government's decision, Jeremić said he addressed international organizations, and bilaterally those countries that have influence on the separatists in Priština.--

Thanks, bonus miles. the milosevic regime is alive and "well," as we see and hear (ad nauseum) on a daily basis.

roberto frisco

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ivan

pre 12 godina

I didn't know Serbia cares so much about Albanians. They are worried that Albanians will not have enough products and that's the reason why they want Serbian products to enter Kosovo.

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Danilo

pre 12 godina

Staff.

95% of the world's population doesn't give two hoots.

This might be hard for you to understand, but the world does not, in fact, revolve around the Balkans' little problems.

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Staff

pre 12 godina

Stay on track Serbia. Nothing and I repeat nothing, has gone like the K Albanians expected. About 2/3 of the whole world is supporting Serbia. Kosovo is member of a handfull of organisations, no more. Kosovo can NEVER be a member of either EU or UN. They have no own telephone numbers and cannot get it either. All airplanes entering Kosovo have to go around Serbia. Good. When talking to most ambassadors from countries which recogniized Kosovo, they say something comletely else than their respective goverment - I wonder why?
Remember, 117 countries do NOT recognize Kosovo other than a Serbian province. Continue your struggle Serbia. 95% of the world population is with you !!

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Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

Remember, 117 countries do NOT recognize Kosovo other than a Serbian province. Continue your struggle Serbia. 95% of the world population is with you !!
(Staff, 22 July 2011 16:19)
***
Not that I care about you and your "inside knowledge" but could you please verify this 95% figure ( if you do I might become a believer in your unprecedented knowledge!).

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Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

I find the actions of the Kosovan authorities hilarious. Europe is moving forward and opening borders and they impose restrictions on trade from their biggest and closest neighbour.
***
Positive: you are refering to Kosovo as Serbia's closest neighbour.
Negative: you have unfortunately missed the small detail of who started all this...

P.S.: If I was in charge of Kosovo I would from now on use "the country that mustn't be named" on my customs stamps. Perhaps this would please Serbia since they could feel like they were Harry Potter...
P.P.S.: Look at the potential: Harry Jeremic and the unruly province, Harry Jeremic and the ICJ failure, Harry Jeremic and the recognition of the country that must not be named...

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Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

separatists in Priština.

Keep on using the above term, and you are making a lot of friends in Kosova and abroad.
Vuk knows well that Kosova is Independent and so is Serbia.

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Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

"This is an unsustainable situation that harms everyone, above all the Serbian citizens living on the territory of the autonomous province of Kosovo-Metohija, whether they are of Serbian or Albanian nationality."
***
Yes, they will all starve hunger. Furthermore every K-Serb will be poisoned by the unclean K-Albanian, Albanian, Croatian, Macedonian etc. food since it has not been blessed by your Српска православна црква.
Aren't you overdoing it a bit, Mr. cry me a river Jeremic???


P.S.: Even COMKFOR General Bühler is one of this evil outsiders, since he approves this measure...

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Rick

pre 12 godina

You really have to wonder WHY it is so important for some of these "influential" countries (AKA the "West") to continue their pressure on other countries to recognize Kosovo? Why is such a small, land-locked province of such value to the West? Is it the Trepca mines....or Camp Bondsteel...or the "hatred" against the Serbs....or the muslim population???? Besides diplomatic pressures from the US, UK, Germany, etc., do these countries have the military will to "defend" their tiny Kosovo again, with three other "wars" going on??? I think that Serbia's position is getting stronger with each passing month because I don't feel that the West has the stomach for, or the economic capacity, to enter into a fourth military theatre. Perhaps there is a George Soros who might be behind all of this confusion and turmoil for the region...who knows??? But Serbia, stay strong and let the disruptive winds pass.

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twindales

pre 12 godina

I find the actions of the Kosovan authorities hilarious. Europe is moving forward and opening borders and they impose restrictions on trade from their biggest and closest neighbour. Are they mad? For the UK thats like imposing restrictions on trade with France and Ireland. Don't they realise we are all interconnected. What happens in Paris or Brussels has an effect on all European citizens including those in Pristina.

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Staff

pre 12 godina

Stay on track Serbia. Nothing and I repeat nothing, has gone like the K Albanians expected. About 2/3 of the whole world is supporting Serbia. Kosovo is member of a handfull of organisations, no more. Kosovo can NEVER be a member of either EU or UN. They have no own telephone numbers and cannot get it either. All airplanes entering Kosovo have to go around Serbia. Good. When talking to most ambassadors from countries which recogniized Kosovo, they say something comletely else than their respective goverment - I wonder why?
Remember, 117 countries do NOT recognize Kosovo other than a Serbian province. Continue your struggle Serbia. 95% of the world population is with you !!

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Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

separatists in Priština.

Keep on using the above term, and you are making a lot of friends in Kosova and abroad.
Vuk knows well that Kosova is Independent and so is Serbia.

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Rick

pre 12 godina

You really have to wonder WHY it is so important for some of these "influential" countries (AKA the "West") to continue their pressure on other countries to recognize Kosovo? Why is such a small, land-locked province of such value to the West? Is it the Trepca mines....or Camp Bondsteel...or the "hatred" against the Serbs....or the muslim population???? Besides diplomatic pressures from the US, UK, Germany, etc., do these countries have the military will to "defend" their tiny Kosovo again, with three other "wars" going on??? I think that Serbia's position is getting stronger with each passing month because I don't feel that the West has the stomach for, or the economic capacity, to enter into a fourth military theatre. Perhaps there is a George Soros who might be behind all of this confusion and turmoil for the region...who knows??? But Serbia, stay strong and let the disruptive winds pass.

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ivan

pre 12 godina

I didn't know Serbia cares so much about Albanians. They are worried that Albanians will not have enough products and that's the reason why they want Serbian products to enter Kosovo.

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rote

pre 12 godina

Missions completed :

1. Demonization of Serbs as a nation.
2. Exposing Kelmending people as victims.
3. Airstrikes and it’s propagandist cover.
4. Forming an anti-Serbian front.
5. Measures to legalize Barbarism of Feb.1999.
6. Demoralization of Serbia.
7. Otpor 5-th column.
8. Total blackmailing and pressing at Serbia.
9. Legalization of the organ trafficking state.
10. Serb hunting tribunal.
11. Treason of all Serbian patriots. Ect.

New levels to come one way or another :

12. Urgent forming of a new obstacle course for Serbia.
13. Praising Serbia as a good schoolboy.
14. Demand of compromise with all the neighbors.
15. Autonomy for Voivodina.
16. Rendering special rights for the Muslims in the South of Serbia.
17. Budget deficite.
18. Corruption.
19. Criminal.
20. Supporting of the Otpor candidates at all the elections.
21. Special positions of several countries.
22. Accepting of Croatia to EU.
23. Moratorium for further enlargement of EU ect.

God knows what else they will astonish us with. But two things we can’t doubt. One is that it will be done in the mist cynical way and second they have no mercy for their prisoners of war. Galley will be a good outcome.

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Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

"This is an unsustainable situation that harms everyone, above all the Serbian citizens living on the territory of the autonomous province of Kosovo-Metohija, whether they are of Serbian or Albanian nationality."
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Yes, they will all starve hunger. Furthermore every K-Serb will be poisoned by the unclean K-Albanian, Albanian, Croatian, Macedonian etc. food since it has not been blessed by your Српска православна црква.
Aren't you overdoing it a bit, Mr. cry me a river Jeremic???


P.S.: Even COMKFOR General Bühler is one of this evil outsiders, since he approves this measure...

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twindales

pre 12 godina

I find the actions of the Kosovan authorities hilarious. Europe is moving forward and opening borders and they impose restrictions on trade from their biggest and closest neighbour. Are they mad? For the UK thats like imposing restrictions on trade with France and Ireland. Don't they realise we are all interconnected. What happens in Paris or Brussels has an effect on all European citizens including those in Pristina.

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Danilo

pre 12 godina

Staff.

95% of the world's population doesn't give two hoots.

This might be hard for you to understand, but the world does not, in fact, revolve around the Balkans' little problems.

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Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

Remember, 117 countries do NOT recognize Kosovo other than a Serbian province. Continue your struggle Serbia. 95% of the world population is with you !!
(Staff, 22 July 2011 16:19)
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Not that I care about you and your "inside knowledge" but could you please verify this 95% figure ( if you do I might become a believer in your unprecedented knowledge!).

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Ratko

pre 12 godina

We know uncle sam & germans told alban terrorists to start a so called blockade. As if uck terrorists would be allowed to do anything without approval from big brother.. if albans don't listen then boom alban narco clan gets busted in NYC.

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Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

I find the actions of the Kosovan authorities hilarious. Europe is moving forward and opening borders and they impose restrictions on trade from their biggest and closest neighbour.
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Positive: you are refering to Kosovo as Serbia's closest neighbour.
Negative: you have unfortunately missed the small detail of who started all this...

P.S.: If I was in charge of Kosovo I would from now on use "the country that mustn't be named" on my customs stamps. Perhaps this would please Serbia since they could feel like they were Harry Potter...
P.P.S.: Look at the potential: Harry Jeremic and the unruly province, Harry Jeremic and the ICJ failure, Harry Jeremic and the recognition of the country that must not be named...

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Bob

pre 12 godina

What is pressure?

As long as Serbia remains immoveable, no amount of pressure is going to change the current view.

1244 talks of autonomy not independence. If 1244 is breached by udi, then one day in the future there will be opportunity to change the current situation. 1244 is already in the breach.

Once the Albanians try to join Kosovo with Albania, Serbia will have every legal right to defend its territory by force. If Serbia did recognise Kosovo then that legal right would go away. What would happen instead is that underground nationalism would restart the process by less controlled routes.

The best solution for Kosovo is to seek good relations with Serbia under the current situation. It will never get any better than this.

However, the US and the UK in particular will keep their political and diplomatic games going indefinitely - why? The answer is to spite Serbia because of the policies of Milosevic.

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Bill

pre 12 godina

Comments above reflect typical Balkan peasant merntality; bravado and threats. Threat of war, boy...every one will just stand by and see Serbia just march on. This is not early 1900's. Please wake up!

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Analyst

pre 12 godina

"P.S.: If I was in charge of Kosovo I would from now on use "the country that mustn't be named" on my customs stamps. Perhaps this would please Serbia since they could feel like they were Harry Potter... "
(Iznogoud, 22 July 2011 16:38)

Even easier: Kosovo could have simply keep on using the custom stamps that are valid, internationally recognized (UN1244) and mentioned in the CEFTA agreement, named "UNMIK-Kosovo".

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roberto

pre 12 godina

--In view of the Kosovo government's decision, Jeremić said he addressed international organizations, and bilaterally those countries that have influence on the separatists in Priština.--

Thanks, bonus miles. the milosevic regime is alive and "well," as we see and hear (ad nauseum) on a daily basis.

roberto frisco

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Milan

pre 12 godina

Rick,

You are asking lots of logical and legitimate questions! Most questions can be answered with some common sense, but remain kind of speculative and can be based on some kind of conspiracy. In the end it is all most likely part of some big scheme that most of us cannot imagine, even in our wildest dreams. It is probably part of a geo-political game most likely The West is trying to play against China and its allies/partners to curb its growing influence, which is apparently concerning a lot of people in Western capitals. Two days ago the article in the following link was published and it is clear that The West is trying to let other countries do the dirty work based on the prospect of some shady rewards in the future.

http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-urges-india-expand-influence-093840435.html

The West is afraid of and cannot confront China directly and so they are trying to create all kinds of tensions that will irritate Beijing, but that will not distract the Chinese to keep going with their project to make this the Chinese Century. I think it is a very dangerous game that some people want to play. China has not forgotten the humiliation of European imperialism there when it was weak and I am sure China has vowed that those days will never come back.

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Amer

pre 12 godina

"Highly influential world countries are doing their best to pressure others into recognizing Kosovo. "

As is - more effectively - Mr. Pacolli: the Republic of Central Africa today became no. 77.

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Daniel

pre 12 godina

You are doing a great Job Vuk. Keep it up. There are many individuals lobbying hard for other countries to recognize Kosovo. Regardless of the reason, these pathetic individuals won't stop. However, the Serbian resolve is strong and because of it, roadblocks are in place that will continue to snarl the Albanians' efforts to steal Kosovo without a fair solution. To those Albanians out there whom are continuing to celebrate false victories, you are still not a member of the UN, nor can your sport teams play in important international competitions. If you were a real country, you would be a) a member of the UN and b) your sport teams would be allowed to compete internationally. You will not be able to even join the EU until you sit at the negotiating table and come to a mutually agreed-upon solution with the Serbs. Thus, at this point you are in a state of limbo. You may feel that you are independent but without the help of foreign powers, you are nothing and have absolutely nothing. You need Serbia to recognize your independence and they will only if you sit at the negotiating table and act like serious adults. If that's not possible, be prepared to live in Limbo forever. Serbs can wait and wait and wait and wait...

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Milan

pre 12 godina

I sincerely hope that the International Community will recognize all the efforts of the Serbian authorities to resolce all issues peacefully. The Serbian populace is constantly being provoked by extremists.. I hope we have the patience to cope with all of this. My second thought is regarding security. I hope there is a real military action plan in case Nato attempts to take the remaning area of Mitrovica from the Serbs.

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Milan

pre 12 godina

"What does all of this have to do with Serbia? Where does Serbia receive the almost all free money from? From China or Russia?
(Simpatiku, 22 July 2011 21:47)"

It is likely that Serbia, Libya,and other "hot spots" are part of the same global "Stratego" game. It is the same game that has been played for 1000s of years, but now the players and locations are different. In addition, you do not have to send whole armies to conquer and occupy whole regions. I am not Serbia's chief accountant or bank president and so I have no idea where Serbia loans its money. In this world they certainly do not get anything for free. In the end it is all about location, location, location, energy, water, resources, and of course money, preferably lots of it. And not to mention domination based on the idea that you are better than all others and that because of that you have the right to take everything you need and want at will.

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JohnC.

pre 12 godina

What is pressure?
...
(Bob, 22 July 2011 19:25)

There is none, at least not from where Vuk claims of. Even Romania recently said that there is no pressure. There are also other examples which so clearly how stupid that claim is. Why on Earth is possible "to pressure Japan but not island countries in the Caribbean? Not even Haiti recognizes Kosovo and there is no need to tell how easy it would be for Washington to make this happen if they really would be eager to pressure anybody.

Vuk constantly over-exaggerates the Kosovo topic, as if the world revolves around this topic. It doesn't. I not even see on the agenda of major discussion, unlike topics as Libya, Syria, Venezuela, etc. Nobody makes fuss around that topic except for Belgrade.

However, there is a growing pressure, but this comes from within. It is the pressure of fatigue by Belgrade itself and the fact that nothing can be achieved with that stance. Does anybody really believe that after a decade of hiding, Mladic and Hadzic suddenly showed up, "caught by the Serbian authorities"? Especially in such a short time window?? No, that is the pure desperation to appease Western powers and to get entry into the EU club, while trying to divert the very clear statements by German authorities only recently.

This is such an obvious game that I'm only wondering if they really believe in their own lies, because nobody with a brain buys that.

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Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Remember, 117 countries do NOT recognize Kosovo other than a Serbian province. Continue your struggle Serbia. 95% of the world population is with you !!
(Staff, 22 July 2011 16:19)

Oh, and 117 countries that did not recognize Kosovo yet are on Serbian side? If you succeeded on making fool out of yourself please spare the others. In 2008 there was a number of 172 of these so called "friends" of Serbia. While I am typing this comment your "famous" number 117 is down to 116 and is inevitably counting down.

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Amer

pre 12 godina

"Highly influential world countries are doing their best to pressure others into recognizing Kosovo. "

As is - more effectively - Mr. Pacolli: the Republic of Central Africa today became no. 77.

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Albanian Realist!

pre 12 godina

Since Serbian government has been yielding that Kosovo was not signed CEFTA and therefore Serbia didn't recognize Kosovo stamp. So this it means that Kosovo didn't violated anything moreover CEFTA, because Kosovo didn't signed CEFTA but UNMIK.

Also to remind all the people in Serbia that Kosovo decision says that Kosovo doesn't recognize Serbian Custom stamps and nothing about Serbian goods. So don't let yourself be manipulated like during 90s when Milosevic washed brain of the most of the people saying that all International Community hates great Serbian nation because they are the best created by the God. Please step down and touch the reality because most of international people mistake Serbia with Siberia. Please accept the reality, you wont change anything.

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Joe A

pre 12 godina

With this embargo, some key international players want to 'starve' Serbia and Serbs in the north of Kosovo into submission but I think it will only be to the benefit of smugglers and black market traders.

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Wally

pre 12 godina

icj- thanks for recognising Serbia's historical rights in Kosovo. It is true, our presence there has been much longer and deeper than the Albanians. But not only battles, ancient churches and Serbian culture exists, but only just.

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Wally

pre 12 godina

icj Noone can ever claim the Albanians are the indigenous population of Kosovo as there is little or no evidence of their presence in Kosovo since max 100 years. Makes them newcomers. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

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Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

I think it is a very dangerous game that some people want to play. China has not forgotten the humiliation of European imperialism there when it was weak and I am sure China has vowed that those days will never come back.
(Milan, 22 July 2011 19:29)

What does all of this have to do with Serbia? Where does Serbia receive the almost all free money from? From China or Russia?

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sj

pre 12 godina

To understand why the west is persisting with supporting the Albanians in Kosovo you have to have a little understanding of how policy development works in the west.
Initially, the west wanted Serbia under its control but a few bad moves on its part made that impossible. Serbia was the key to contain Russian domination of Europe through its energy resources; I’m not saying that Serbia is the centre of the Universe, but it is strategically positioned in Eastern Europe and history has shown that to access the east from the west or vice versa you have to cross Serbia.
Kosovo became a second prize for the US; if it could not dominate Serbia any other way then breaking away Kosovo would cause a revolution in Belgrade and remove Milosevic from power. Whoever thinks that the US went into Kosovo because they felt pity for the Albanians is fooling themselves. They used the Kosovo scenario to advantage; in fact the US with willing members of the KLA even murdered their own people to blame it on the Serbs. Some even say that Bill Clinton used this situation as a diversion because of his dalliance with Monica, but this was a fortunate coincidence as the US needed Kosovo for regime change. Although Milosevic was removed little had changed.
The US was now stuck was a small and unproductive area of land where the only thing in abundance is mouths to feed and to reverse policy would be the pinnacle of embarrassment. So what are they after you might ask? They want to keep this region “independent” as payment for support given by the Albanians during the 19990s, but they also want Serbia to allow the Albanians to move freely around the rest of Serbia to look for work as opportunities open up – there have been many situations where Albanians (you know the ones Serbs murdered and tortured) now seek work in Kragujevac, Jagodina and other cities, but are returned by the bus load daily back to Kosovo. Mind you these people speak Serbian fluently and are not scared from their “wartime” experiences in seeking work in Serbia.
The west wants Serbia to do the same with Kosovo it is demanding from China with Tibet – let it go but you must prop it up and we will open bases near you and make threats to you.
All Jeremic is doing is keeping the fires lit up and the pot bubbling so that Serbia does not become complacent. As I have said many times before the entire world can recognize Kosovo but if Serbia does not then it status quo.
As far as this “economic embargo” on Serbian goods is concerned, it’s an Albanian joke – in fact it looks like one that was written by Jim Belushi. They will be TOLD to pull their heads in and shut up.

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hfh

pre 12 godina

"This is a step that represents a violation of the CEFTA agreement, principles, and good will that both sides have shown in the dialogue so far. However, this should not come as a surprise taking into account who we are dealing with," the minister said.

"Just like Serbian President Boris Tadić said, we will respond diplomatically and sensibly, rather than reciprocally, and we will request the world's diplomatic support for our position. We will see how much support we will get," Jeremić stated.

Somebody should really explain to this guy the meaning of the word "diplomatic" because statements like this just aren't.

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cees

pre 12 godina

Since 17 February 2008, the date of Kosova,s independence, Jeremic is talking about the pressure from ‘big’ countries on other countries to recognize this country. Every month he is telling us that this pressure is mounting, which means that it is still getting bigger. I doubt that this is possible and he is using this form perpetually in order to keep his job by showing, how diligently he is defending Serbia’s interests.
Further we have the same game Serbia is still playing since they thought to find out that they are the under-privileged and threatened by their neighbours. At first you strike first – in this case: breaking the rules of the CEFTA agreement by forbidding goods from Kosova to enter Serbia – and when a negative reaction on this follows to point to the other side that they are the evil-doers. Maybe this has worked during the time of the Yugoslavian kingdom or even partly under Tito, in which period Serbia could rely on their overrepresentation in state organs in order to keep their “leading role”, but this time is over. Serbia is what it is, a Balkan state on the same level as the other states and his strive for special treatment is over. Serbia’s unilateral move to block goods from Kosova was answered by the Kosova government after three years of patiently waiting for its cancellation by the Serbian government.

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Zagortenej

pre 12 godina

New recognition and serbian media doesnt even report it! I thought they care about kosovo aaaa or is it only to hear what they like .. Lies.. Pragmaticism of it all goes on living unheard of by serb ears which are very sensitive according to serb media..better not tell them!

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icj1

pre 12 godina

icj- thanks for recognising Serbia's historical rights in Kosovo. It is true, our presence there has been much longer and deeper than the Albanians. But not only battles, ancient churches and Serbian culture exists, but only just.
(Wally, 23 July 2011 12:24)

You are welcome... In all my posts here I've always assumed that Serbs have been in Kovoso for 100, 1000, 10000 or whatever years regardless of whether that is true or not. Some Albanians here enter into long academic discussions that the Albanians came first in Kovoso 100, 1000, 10000 or whatever years ago, with that Illyrians story and bla, bla, bla... as if who inhabited Kosovo 100, 1000 or 100000 years ago or since the Earth's creation has any relevance for Kosovo's current and future status.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

If 1244 is breached by udi, then one day in the future there will be opportunity to change the current situation. 1244 is already in the breach.
(Bob, 22 July 2011 19:25)

Vuk asked that question already and was told by the ICJ that the UDI did not violate 1244. So that matter is settled thanks to Vuk.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

To those Albanians out there whom are continuing to celebrate false victories, you are still not a member of the UN,
(Daniel, 22 July 2011 22:33)

Excuse me for my ignorance, but if Kosovo took up Serbia's offer of "more than autonomy less than independence" (whatever that thing means), would Kosovo become a UN member ?

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Willi Pfaff

pre 12 godina

The Serb reaction just shows once more how onesided, worong, bind and reticules Serbian politics are. They talk about a violation of the CEFTA agreement by Kosovo, when they have been doing the exact same thing for years. It is time, and fully understandable, that Kosovo gives Serbia a dose of their own medicine.

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Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Re-integrating Kosovo into Serbia would have meant another war that nobody in the West had the will to deal with. The options they had were (1) re-integrate 2M hostile people into Serbia, v.s. (2) keep 100k hostile people in an indepepdent Kosovo. Obviously (2) was a much easier and cheaper thing to
(icj1, 23 July 2011 05:00)

Correct. This has been the easiest way to stop the war. Maybe to add: The west, naively, believed that they could establish a multiethnic, democratic, European state in Kosovo. At latest after the last elections, even the most optimistic person must have realized that this was just an idea, an illusion than won't work. Like in Afghanistan, you cannot impose democracy, state institutions and European values based on human rights on people who still live in clans in the year 2011, are based on absolute clan loyality, with mafia structures being present up to the highest ranking government layers, combined with politicians who think 'I am the state' and who only care for their own pockets. Sometimes I wonder why the Kosovo Albanians prfer to live in these structures. Because they never experienced anything else?

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icj1

pre 12 godina

Remember, 117 countries do NOT recognize Kosovo other than a Serbian province. Continue your struggle Serbia.
(Staff, 22 July 2011 16:19)

Please provide the statements of 117 countries that they do NOT recognize Kosovo. I've seen only about 20 so far (for example from Serbia, Russia, Slovakia, etc...), so hopefully you can illuminate us with the remaining ones...

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Peggy

pre 12 godina

I guess you've never been to Kosovo, Walley.
(Danilo, 24 July 2011 09:09)
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So then produce this evidence which predates Serbian evidence in Kosovo.
I have been asking forever now for someone to produce something which proves your theory but so far nothing.

All we ever get is "we are illyrian" BS and were were there first.

So what happeened? Did Serbia fight a bloody war in order to invade Kosovo and expell and destroy all evidence of Albanians there?
Just some evidence before you mouth off again.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

You really have to wonder WHY it is so important for some of these "influential" countries (AKA the "West") to continue their pressure on other countries to recognize Kosovo? Why is such a small, land-locked province of such value to the West? Is it the Trepca mines....or Camp Bondsteel...or the "hatred" against the Serbs....or the muslim population???? Besides diplomatic pressures from the US, UK, Germany, etc., do these countries have the military will to "defend" their tiny Kosovo again, with three other "wars" going on???
(Rick, 22 July 2011 15:16)

You pretty much gave the answer yourself... Re-integrating Kosovo into Serbia would have meant another war that nobody in the West had the will to deal with. The options they had were (1) re-integrate 2M hostile people into Serbia, v.s. (2) keep 100k hostile people in an indepepdent Kosovo. Obviously (2) was a much easier and cheaper thing to do. Unfortunately for Serbia, the countries which do matter considered the practical side of things for the future and not 600-year old battles :)

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icj1

pre 12 godina

"Re-integrating Kosovo into Serbia would have meant another war that nobody in the West had the will to deal with. The options they had were (1) re-integrate 2M hostile people into Serbia, v.s. (2) keep 100k hostile people in an indepepdent Kosovo. Obviously (2) was a much easier and cheaper thing to
(icj1, 23 July 2011 05:00)

Correct. This has been the easiest way to stop the war. Maybe to add: The west, naively, believed that they could establish a multiethnic, democratic, European state in Kosovo. At latest after the last elections, even the most optimistic person must have realized that this was just an idea, an illusion than won't work. Like in Afghanistan, you cannot impose democracy, state institutions and European values based on human rights on people who still live in clans in the year 2011, are based on absolute clan loyality, with mafia structures being present up to the highest ranking government layers, combined with politicians who think 'I am the state' and who only care for their own pockets. Sometimes I wonder why the Kosovo Albanians prfer to live in these structures. Because they never experienced anything else?
(Analyst, 24 July 2011 11:51)

I don't think the West or anybody else believed that a multiethnic state would be possible in Kosovo, too. It's obvious that Albanians and Serbs can't live together (at least for a few decades in the future). North Kosovo is kept within Kosovo for now just as a bargaining chip, but ultimately would go under Serbia (as it makes sense from a practical point of view) in exchange for something for Kosovo. Of course, 1244 would need to be modified to let North Kosovo go under Serbia.

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Kosova-USA

pre 12 godina

separatists in Priština.

Keep on using the above term, and you are making a lot of friends in Kosova and abroad.
Vuk knows well that Kosova is Independent and so is Serbia.

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Rick

pre 12 godina

You really have to wonder WHY it is so important for some of these "influential" countries (AKA the "West") to continue their pressure on other countries to recognize Kosovo? Why is such a small, land-locked province of such value to the West? Is it the Trepca mines....or Camp Bondsteel...or the "hatred" against the Serbs....or the muslim population???? Besides diplomatic pressures from the US, UK, Germany, etc., do these countries have the military will to "defend" their tiny Kosovo again, with three other "wars" going on??? I think that Serbia's position is getting stronger with each passing month because I don't feel that the West has the stomach for, or the economic capacity, to enter into a fourth military theatre. Perhaps there is a George Soros who might be behind all of this confusion and turmoil for the region...who knows??? But Serbia, stay strong and let the disruptive winds pass.

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Staff

pre 12 godina

Stay on track Serbia. Nothing and I repeat nothing, has gone like the K Albanians expected. About 2/3 of the whole world is supporting Serbia. Kosovo is member of a handfull of organisations, no more. Kosovo can NEVER be a member of either EU or UN. They have no own telephone numbers and cannot get it either. All airplanes entering Kosovo have to go around Serbia. Good. When talking to most ambassadors from countries which recogniized Kosovo, they say something comletely else than their respective goverment - I wonder why?
Remember, 117 countries do NOT recognize Kosovo other than a Serbian province. Continue your struggle Serbia. 95% of the world population is with you !!

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Ratko

pre 12 godina

We know uncle sam & germans told alban terrorists to start a so called blockade. As if uck terrorists would be allowed to do anything without approval from big brother.. if albans don't listen then boom alban narco clan gets busted in NYC.

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Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

Remember, 117 countries do NOT recognize Kosovo other than a Serbian province. Continue your struggle Serbia. 95% of the world population is with you !!
(Staff, 22 July 2011 16:19)
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Not that I care about you and your "inside knowledge" but could you please verify this 95% figure ( if you do I might become a believer in your unprecedented knowledge!).

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Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

"This is an unsustainable situation that harms everyone, above all the Serbian citizens living on the territory of the autonomous province of Kosovo-Metohija, whether they are of Serbian or Albanian nationality."
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Yes, they will all starve hunger. Furthermore every K-Serb will be poisoned by the unclean K-Albanian, Albanian, Croatian, Macedonian etc. food since it has not been blessed by your Српска православна црква.
Aren't you overdoing it a bit, Mr. cry me a river Jeremic???


P.S.: Even COMKFOR General Bühler is one of this evil outsiders, since he approves this measure...

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Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

I find the actions of the Kosovan authorities hilarious. Europe is moving forward and opening borders and they impose restrictions on trade from their biggest and closest neighbour.
***
Positive: you are refering to Kosovo as Serbia's closest neighbour.
Negative: you have unfortunately missed the small detail of who started all this...

P.S.: If I was in charge of Kosovo I would from now on use "the country that mustn't be named" on my customs stamps. Perhaps this would please Serbia since they could feel like they were Harry Potter...
P.P.S.: Look at the potential: Harry Jeremic and the unruly province, Harry Jeremic and the ICJ failure, Harry Jeremic and the recognition of the country that must not be named...

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twindales

pre 12 godina

I find the actions of the Kosovan authorities hilarious. Europe is moving forward and opening borders and they impose restrictions on trade from their biggest and closest neighbour. Are they mad? For the UK thats like imposing restrictions on trade with France and Ireland. Don't they realise we are all interconnected. What happens in Paris or Brussels has an effect on all European citizens including those in Pristina.

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ivan

pre 12 godina

I didn't know Serbia cares so much about Albanians. They are worried that Albanians will not have enough products and that's the reason why they want Serbian products to enter Kosovo.

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roberto

pre 12 godina

--In view of the Kosovo government's decision, Jeremić said he addressed international organizations, and bilaterally those countries that have influence on the separatists in Priština.--

Thanks, bonus miles. the milosevic regime is alive and "well," as we see and hear (ad nauseum) on a daily basis.

roberto frisco

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Bob

pre 12 godina

What is pressure?

As long as Serbia remains immoveable, no amount of pressure is going to change the current view.

1244 talks of autonomy not independence. If 1244 is breached by udi, then one day in the future there will be opportunity to change the current situation. 1244 is already in the breach.

Once the Albanians try to join Kosovo with Albania, Serbia will have every legal right to defend its territory by force. If Serbia did recognise Kosovo then that legal right would go away. What would happen instead is that underground nationalism would restart the process by less controlled routes.

The best solution for Kosovo is to seek good relations with Serbia under the current situation. It will never get any better than this.

However, the US and the UK in particular will keep their political and diplomatic games going indefinitely - why? The answer is to spite Serbia because of the policies of Milosevic.

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Analyst

pre 12 godina

"P.S.: If I was in charge of Kosovo I would from now on use "the country that mustn't be named" on my customs stamps. Perhaps this would please Serbia since they could feel like they were Harry Potter... "
(Iznogoud, 22 July 2011 16:38)

Even easier: Kosovo could have simply keep on using the custom stamps that are valid, internationally recognized (UN1244) and mentioned in the CEFTA agreement, named "UNMIK-Kosovo".

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rote

pre 12 godina

Missions completed :

1. Demonization of Serbs as a nation.
2. Exposing Kelmending people as victims.
3. Airstrikes and it’s propagandist cover.
4. Forming an anti-Serbian front.
5. Measures to legalize Barbarism of Feb.1999.
6. Demoralization of Serbia.
7. Otpor 5-th column.
8. Total blackmailing and pressing at Serbia.
9. Legalization of the organ trafficking state.
10. Serb hunting tribunal.
11. Treason of all Serbian patriots. Ect.

New levels to come one way or another :

12. Urgent forming of a new obstacle course for Serbia.
13. Praising Serbia as a good schoolboy.
14. Demand of compromise with all the neighbors.
15. Autonomy for Voivodina.
16. Rendering special rights for the Muslims in the South of Serbia.
17. Budget deficite.
18. Corruption.
19. Criminal.
20. Supporting of the Otpor candidates at all the elections.
21. Special positions of several countries.
22. Accepting of Croatia to EU.
23. Moratorium for further enlargement of EU ect.

God knows what else they will astonish us with. But two things we can’t doubt. One is that it will be done in the mist cynical way and second they have no mercy for their prisoners of war. Galley will be a good outcome.

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Danilo

pre 12 godina

Staff.

95% of the world's population doesn't give two hoots.

This might be hard for you to understand, but the world does not, in fact, revolve around the Balkans' little problems.

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Albanian Realist!

pre 12 godina

Since Serbian government has been yielding that Kosovo was not signed CEFTA and therefore Serbia didn't recognize Kosovo stamp. So this it means that Kosovo didn't violated anything moreover CEFTA, because Kosovo didn't signed CEFTA but UNMIK.

Also to remind all the people in Serbia that Kosovo decision says that Kosovo doesn't recognize Serbian Custom stamps and nothing about Serbian goods. So don't let yourself be manipulated like during 90s when Milosevic washed brain of the most of the people saying that all International Community hates great Serbian nation because they are the best created by the God. Please step down and touch the reality because most of international people mistake Serbia with Siberia. Please accept the reality, you wont change anything.

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Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Remember, 117 countries do NOT recognize Kosovo other than a Serbian province. Continue your struggle Serbia. 95% of the world population is with you !!
(Staff, 22 July 2011 16:19)

Oh, and 117 countries that did not recognize Kosovo yet are on Serbian side? If you succeeded on making fool out of yourself please spare the others. In 2008 there was a number of 172 of these so called "friends" of Serbia. While I am typing this comment your "famous" number 117 is down to 116 and is inevitably counting down.

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Milan

pre 12 godina

Rick,

You are asking lots of logical and legitimate questions! Most questions can be answered with some common sense, but remain kind of speculative and can be based on some kind of conspiracy. In the end it is all most likely part of some big scheme that most of us cannot imagine, even in our wildest dreams. It is probably part of a geo-political game most likely The West is trying to play against China and its allies/partners to curb its growing influence, which is apparently concerning a lot of people in Western capitals. Two days ago the article in the following link was published and it is clear that The West is trying to let other countries do the dirty work based on the prospect of some shady rewards in the future.

http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-urges-india-expand-influence-093840435.html

The West is afraid of and cannot confront China directly and so they are trying to create all kinds of tensions that will irritate Beijing, but that will not distract the Chinese to keep going with their project to make this the Chinese Century. I think it is a very dangerous game that some people want to play. China has not forgotten the humiliation of European imperialism there when it was weak and I am sure China has vowed that those days will never come back.

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Bill

pre 12 godina

Comments above reflect typical Balkan peasant merntality; bravado and threats. Threat of war, boy...every one will just stand by and see Serbia just march on. This is not early 1900's. Please wake up!

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Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

I think it is a very dangerous game that some people want to play. China has not forgotten the humiliation of European imperialism there when it was weak and I am sure China has vowed that those days will never come back.
(Milan, 22 July 2011 19:29)

What does all of this have to do with Serbia? Where does Serbia receive the almost all free money from? From China or Russia?

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Milan

pre 12 godina

I sincerely hope that the International Community will recognize all the efforts of the Serbian authorities to resolce all issues peacefully. The Serbian populace is constantly being provoked by extremists.. I hope we have the patience to cope with all of this. My second thought is regarding security. I hope there is a real military action plan in case Nato attempts to take the remaning area of Mitrovica from the Serbs.

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hfh

pre 12 godina

"This is a step that represents a violation of the CEFTA agreement, principles, and good will that both sides have shown in the dialogue so far. However, this should not come as a surprise taking into account who we are dealing with," the minister said.

"Just like Serbian President Boris Tadić said, we will respond diplomatically and sensibly, rather than reciprocally, and we will request the world's diplomatic support for our position. We will see how much support we will get," Jeremić stated.

Somebody should really explain to this guy the meaning of the word "diplomatic" because statements like this just aren't.

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Amer

pre 12 godina

"Highly influential world countries are doing their best to pressure others into recognizing Kosovo. "

As is - more effectively - Mr. Pacolli: the Republic of Central Africa today became no. 77.

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JohnC.

pre 12 godina

What is pressure?
...
(Bob, 22 July 2011 19:25)

There is none, at least not from where Vuk claims of. Even Romania recently said that there is no pressure. There are also other examples which so clearly how stupid that claim is. Why on Earth is possible "to pressure Japan but not island countries in the Caribbean? Not even Haiti recognizes Kosovo and there is no need to tell how easy it would be for Washington to make this happen if they really would be eager to pressure anybody.

Vuk constantly over-exaggerates the Kosovo topic, as if the world revolves around this topic. It doesn't. I not even see on the agenda of major discussion, unlike topics as Libya, Syria, Venezuela, etc. Nobody makes fuss around that topic except for Belgrade.

However, there is a growing pressure, but this comes from within. It is the pressure of fatigue by Belgrade itself and the fact that nothing can be achieved with that stance. Does anybody really believe that after a decade of hiding, Mladic and Hadzic suddenly showed up, "caught by the Serbian authorities"? Especially in such a short time window?? No, that is the pure desperation to appease Western powers and to get entry into the EU club, while trying to divert the very clear statements by German authorities only recently.

This is such an obvious game that I'm only wondering if they really believe in their own lies, because nobody with a brain buys that.

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Amer

pre 12 godina

"Highly influential world countries are doing their best to pressure others into recognizing Kosovo. "

As is - more effectively - Mr. Pacolli: the Republic of Central Africa today became no. 77.

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Daniel

pre 12 godina

You are doing a great Job Vuk. Keep it up. There are many individuals lobbying hard for other countries to recognize Kosovo. Regardless of the reason, these pathetic individuals won't stop. However, the Serbian resolve is strong and because of it, roadblocks are in place that will continue to snarl the Albanians' efforts to steal Kosovo without a fair solution. To those Albanians out there whom are continuing to celebrate false victories, you are still not a member of the UN, nor can your sport teams play in important international competitions. If you were a real country, you would be a) a member of the UN and b) your sport teams would be allowed to compete internationally. You will not be able to even join the EU until you sit at the negotiating table and come to a mutually agreed-upon solution with the Serbs. Thus, at this point you are in a state of limbo. You may feel that you are independent but without the help of foreign powers, you are nothing and have absolutely nothing. You need Serbia to recognize your independence and they will only if you sit at the negotiating table and act like serious adults. If that's not possible, be prepared to live in Limbo forever. Serbs can wait and wait and wait and wait...

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cees

pre 12 godina

Since 17 February 2008, the date of Kosova,s independence, Jeremic is talking about the pressure from ‘big’ countries on other countries to recognize this country. Every month he is telling us that this pressure is mounting, which means that it is still getting bigger. I doubt that this is possible and he is using this form perpetually in order to keep his job by showing, how diligently he is defending Serbia’s interests.
Further we have the same game Serbia is still playing since they thought to find out that they are the under-privileged and threatened by their neighbours. At first you strike first – in this case: breaking the rules of the CEFTA agreement by forbidding goods from Kosova to enter Serbia – and when a negative reaction on this follows to point to the other side that they are the evil-doers. Maybe this has worked during the time of the Yugoslavian kingdom or even partly under Tito, in which period Serbia could rely on their overrepresentation in state organs in order to keep their “leading role”, but this time is over. Serbia is what it is, a Balkan state on the same level as the other states and his strive for special treatment is over. Serbia’s unilateral move to block goods from Kosova was answered by the Kosova government after three years of patiently waiting for its cancellation by the Serbian government.

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Milan

pre 12 godina

"What does all of this have to do with Serbia? Where does Serbia receive the almost all free money from? From China or Russia?
(Simpatiku, 22 July 2011 21:47)"

It is likely that Serbia, Libya,and other "hot spots" are part of the same global "Stratego" game. It is the same game that has been played for 1000s of years, but now the players and locations are different. In addition, you do not have to send whole armies to conquer and occupy whole regions. I am not Serbia's chief accountant or bank president and so I have no idea where Serbia loans its money. In this world they certainly do not get anything for free. In the end it is all about location, location, location, energy, water, resources, and of course money, preferably lots of it. And not to mention domination based on the idea that you are better than all others and that because of that you have the right to take everything you need and want at will.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

To those Albanians out there whom are continuing to celebrate false victories, you are still not a member of the UN,
(Daniel, 22 July 2011 22:33)

Excuse me for my ignorance, but if Kosovo took up Serbia's offer of "more than autonomy less than independence" (whatever that thing means), would Kosovo become a UN member ?

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Willi Pfaff

pre 12 godina

The Serb reaction just shows once more how onesided, worong, bind and reticules Serbian politics are. They talk about a violation of the CEFTA agreement by Kosovo, when they have been doing the exact same thing for years. It is time, and fully understandable, that Kosovo gives Serbia a dose of their own medicine.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

icj- thanks for recognising Serbia's historical rights in Kosovo. It is true, our presence there has been much longer and deeper than the Albanians. But not only battles, ancient churches and Serbian culture exists, but only just.
(Wally, 23 July 2011 12:24)

You are welcome... In all my posts here I've always assumed that Serbs have been in Kovoso for 100, 1000, 10000 or whatever years regardless of whether that is true or not. Some Albanians here enter into long academic discussions that the Albanians came first in Kovoso 100, 1000, 10000 or whatever years ago, with that Illyrians story and bla, bla, bla... as if who inhabited Kosovo 100, 1000 or 100000 years ago or since the Earth's creation has any relevance for Kosovo's current and future status.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

You really have to wonder WHY it is so important for some of these "influential" countries (AKA the "West") to continue their pressure on other countries to recognize Kosovo? Why is such a small, land-locked province of such value to the West? Is it the Trepca mines....or Camp Bondsteel...or the "hatred" against the Serbs....or the muslim population???? Besides diplomatic pressures from the US, UK, Germany, etc., do these countries have the military will to "defend" their tiny Kosovo again, with three other "wars" going on???
(Rick, 22 July 2011 15:16)

You pretty much gave the answer yourself... Re-integrating Kosovo into Serbia would have meant another war that nobody in the West had the will to deal with. The options they had were (1) re-integrate 2M hostile people into Serbia, v.s. (2) keep 100k hostile people in an indepepdent Kosovo. Obviously (2) was a much easier and cheaper thing to do. Unfortunately for Serbia, the countries which do matter considered the practical side of things for the future and not 600-year old battles :)

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Zagortenej

pre 12 godina

New recognition and serbian media doesnt even report it! I thought they care about kosovo aaaa or is it only to hear what they like .. Lies.. Pragmaticism of it all goes on living unheard of by serb ears which are very sensitive according to serb media..better not tell them!

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icj1

pre 12 godina

Remember, 117 countries do NOT recognize Kosovo other than a Serbian province. Continue your struggle Serbia.
(Staff, 22 July 2011 16:19)

Please provide the statements of 117 countries that they do NOT recognize Kosovo. I've seen only about 20 so far (for example from Serbia, Russia, Slovakia, etc...), so hopefully you can illuminate us with the remaining ones...

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icj1

pre 12 godina

If 1244 is breached by udi, then one day in the future there will be opportunity to change the current situation. 1244 is already in the breach.
(Bob, 22 July 2011 19:25)

Vuk asked that question already and was told by the ICJ that the UDI did not violate 1244. So that matter is settled thanks to Vuk.

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Joe A

pre 12 godina

With this embargo, some key international players want to 'starve' Serbia and Serbs in the north of Kosovo into submission but I think it will only be to the benefit of smugglers and black market traders.

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Wally

pre 12 godina

icj- thanks for recognising Serbia's historical rights in Kosovo. It is true, our presence there has been much longer and deeper than the Albanians. But not only battles, ancient churches and Serbian culture exists, but only just.

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Wally

pre 12 godina

icj Noone can ever claim the Albanians are the indigenous population of Kosovo as there is little or no evidence of their presence in Kosovo since max 100 years. Makes them newcomers. It's like comparing apples and oranges.

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Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Re-integrating Kosovo into Serbia would have meant another war that nobody in the West had the will to deal with. The options they had were (1) re-integrate 2M hostile people into Serbia, v.s. (2) keep 100k hostile people in an indepepdent Kosovo. Obviously (2) was a much easier and cheaper thing to
(icj1, 23 July 2011 05:00)

Correct. This has been the easiest way to stop the war. Maybe to add: The west, naively, believed that they could establish a multiethnic, democratic, European state in Kosovo. At latest after the last elections, even the most optimistic person must have realized that this was just an idea, an illusion than won't work. Like in Afghanistan, you cannot impose democracy, state institutions and European values based on human rights on people who still live in clans in the year 2011, are based on absolute clan loyality, with mafia structures being present up to the highest ranking government layers, combined with politicians who think 'I am the state' and who only care for their own pockets. Sometimes I wonder why the Kosovo Albanians prfer to live in these structures. Because they never experienced anything else?

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Peggy

pre 12 godina

I guess you've never been to Kosovo, Walley.
(Danilo, 24 July 2011 09:09)
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So then produce this evidence which predates Serbian evidence in Kosovo.
I have been asking forever now for someone to produce something which proves your theory but so far nothing.

All we ever get is "we are illyrian" BS and were were there first.

So what happeened? Did Serbia fight a bloody war in order to invade Kosovo and expell and destroy all evidence of Albanians there?
Just some evidence before you mouth off again.

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sj

pre 12 godina

To understand why the west is persisting with supporting the Albanians in Kosovo you have to have a little understanding of how policy development works in the west.
Initially, the west wanted Serbia under its control but a few bad moves on its part made that impossible. Serbia was the key to contain Russian domination of Europe through its energy resources; I’m not saying that Serbia is the centre of the Universe, but it is strategically positioned in Eastern Europe and history has shown that to access the east from the west or vice versa you have to cross Serbia.
Kosovo became a second prize for the US; if it could not dominate Serbia any other way then breaking away Kosovo would cause a revolution in Belgrade and remove Milosevic from power. Whoever thinks that the US went into Kosovo because they felt pity for the Albanians is fooling themselves. They used the Kosovo scenario to advantage; in fact the US with willing members of the KLA even murdered their own people to blame it on the Serbs. Some even say that Bill Clinton used this situation as a diversion because of his dalliance with Monica, but this was a fortunate coincidence as the US needed Kosovo for regime change. Although Milosevic was removed little had changed.
The US was now stuck was a small and unproductive area of land where the only thing in abundance is mouths to feed and to reverse policy would be the pinnacle of embarrassment. So what are they after you might ask? They want to keep this region “independent” as payment for support given by the Albanians during the 19990s, but they also want Serbia to allow the Albanians to move freely around the rest of Serbia to look for work as opportunities open up – there have been many situations where Albanians (you know the ones Serbs murdered and tortured) now seek work in Kragujevac, Jagodina and other cities, but are returned by the bus load daily back to Kosovo. Mind you these people speak Serbian fluently and are not scared from their “wartime” experiences in seeking work in Serbia.
The west wants Serbia to do the same with Kosovo it is demanding from China with Tibet – let it go but you must prop it up and we will open bases near you and make threats to you.
All Jeremic is doing is keeping the fires lit up and the pot bubbling so that Serbia does not become complacent. As I have said many times before the entire world can recognize Kosovo but if Serbia does not then it status quo.
As far as this “economic embargo” on Serbian goods is concerned, it’s an Albanian joke – in fact it looks like one that was written by Jim Belushi. They will be TOLD to pull their heads in and shut up.

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icj1

pre 12 godina

"Re-integrating Kosovo into Serbia would have meant another war that nobody in the West had the will to deal with. The options they had were (1) re-integrate 2M hostile people into Serbia, v.s. (2) keep 100k hostile people in an indepepdent Kosovo. Obviously (2) was a much easier and cheaper thing to
(icj1, 23 July 2011 05:00)

Correct. This has been the easiest way to stop the war. Maybe to add: The west, naively, believed that they could establish a multiethnic, democratic, European state in Kosovo. At latest after the last elections, even the most optimistic person must have realized that this was just an idea, an illusion than won't work. Like in Afghanistan, you cannot impose democracy, state institutions and European values based on human rights on people who still live in clans in the year 2011, are based on absolute clan loyality, with mafia structures being present up to the highest ranking government layers, combined with politicians who think 'I am the state' and who only care for their own pockets. Sometimes I wonder why the Kosovo Albanians prfer to live in these structures. Because they never experienced anything else?
(Analyst, 24 July 2011 11:51)

I don't think the West or anybody else believed that a multiethnic state would be possible in Kosovo, too. It's obvious that Albanians and Serbs can't live together (at least for a few decades in the future). North Kosovo is kept within Kosovo for now just as a bargaining chip, but ultimately would go under Serbia (as it makes sense from a practical point of view) in exchange for something for Kosovo. Of course, 1244 would need to be modified to let North Kosovo go under Serbia.

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