K. Serbs give up on idea to return home

LOL Yep, the independent dream state of Kosova is Europe's God forsaken crotchpit. Any international that was unfortunate to spend more than a week there will tell you what an unlivable land these Albanians have turned it into :)

"There was no electricity and water in the returnees' homes, and the majority of the houses were demolished again after they were built, Tanjug was told by coordinator for internally displaced persons in the Orahovac municipality Dejan Baljošević."

Great to know that new build or restored houses payed with donor money got destroyed again. A real multiethnic paradise, this Kosovo.

Instead of making this kind of nonsense comments you should visit serb community in Orahovac and Velika Hoca for to see their poor living condition and the permanent stress they're submitted to.

Any international that has spent time there will tell you what an unlivable land the Albanians returned to after Serbia's seige.
(pss, 18 July 2011 17:44)

Yes and I and many many other internationals love that after 10 years and millions in investment you've managed to keep it as Europe's septic tank :)

Two things that people here either missed or don't want to acknowledge before they post:

1. "There was no electricity and water in the returnees' homes, and the majority of the houses were demolished again after they were built, Tanjug was told by coordinator for internally displaced persons in the Orahovac municipality Dejan Baljošević."

-- Which basically means a lack of basic living conditions forced the Serbs to return to Central Serbia, not any angry Albanian mob that chased them out. Well, at least this time. It also raises an additional question: were these houses demolished (and here I assume "demolished" meant stripped of utilities and functionality) because they were Serb houses or because they were empty houses? The article seems to imply these houses were built for returnees but how long they sat empty is unknown and thus raises the possibility that they were open to pillaging by local thieves and salvagers. We also can't discount the highly likely case that the lack of basic services is a reflection the larger area in which conditions can't be ideal at all. This isn't Pristina where all the money goes. This is Orahovac in rural Kosovo where I can imagine lack of electricity, plumbing, and other basic services are a problem to both resident Serbs and Albanians. Most of Kosovo south of the Ibar and outside Pristina and Gracanica suffer from this.

2. "Over 5,000 Serbs used to live in Orahovac, and there are less than 500 of them now, whereas about 1,000 Serbs live in the neighboring Velika Hoča village."

-- Which means there *are* Serbs there but are in a more compact, and I would imagine secure, enclave. Not a lot, but enough to form some sort of local community. In fact, I remember Velika Hoča in a recent article coming under local Albanian scrutiny for being given *too much* self governance to local Serbs.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/kosovo-row-over-government-s-plan-on-serb-cultural-heritage-continues

So in other words, K-Serbs continue to live in the area. Those that live there don't mention anything of Albanians looting their houses. Those that returned to Zociste basically returned to an empty area largely impoverished with nothing worth to it and returned to Central Serbia. Had they moved to Velika Hoca, Gracanica or some other more secure Serb enclave with better living conditions, I doubt they would have left as quickly as they did.

As much as I am pro-Serb, this has little if anything to do with harrasment by local Albanians (verbal assaults notwithstanding), and more to do with it being the economy, stupid. These Serbs had an opportunity to leave to seek better living conditions. I doubt the local Albanians have a similar opportunity.

And yes Joachim, I find comments that applaud ethnic cleansing to be deplorable. But knowing where these comments are coming from, I'm pretty sure these guys are diaspora Albanians who have never been there. They're not known for their stimulating contributions on these threads anyway.

Good riddence.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out :)

LOL Yep, the independent dream state of Kosova is Europe's God forsaken crotchpit. Any international that was unfortunate to spend more than a week there will tell you what an unlivable land these Albanians have turned it into :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 18 July 2011, 17:12)
Any international that has spent time there will tell you what an unlivable land the Albanians returned to after Serbia's seige.

Wow, several comments condoning ethnic cleansing of Serbs--where are the moderators? Is this a still a site by Serbs and for Serbs?

And this is why Serbs should never have any ounce of sympathy for Albanians/Muslims. They are only too happy to kill and cleanse Serbs. Serbs should NEVER give Albanians jobs in Serbia because once they build their numbers up they will push the Serbs out without qualms.

And this also shows the futility of these "negotiations" with the ethnic Albanians - they will take and take but will never uphold any agreement of even give the least basic human rights for Serbs.

Look who the article is citing as a credible source non other than Dejan Baljosevic who in 2007 said:

"Dejan Baljošević told B92 that Serb representatives had little time to show the UN ambassadors their plight. Baljošević said he warned the UN mission that Kosovo Serbs would leave Kosovo if the province became independent. "


B92 shouldn't be citing fear mongers, at best it could also get the other side of the story (Ministry of Returns).




Thanks,

Any international that has spent time there will tell you what an unlivable land the Albanians returned to after Serbia's seige.
(pss, 18 July 2011 17:44)


Initially in 1999 many internationals sympathised with your lot but the vast, vast majority today say “we should have bombed the Albanians".

A view from a member of a Czech NGO "Friend of Serbs in Kosovo".

I was there. I admire the people who have decided to return. Similar a brave people i know from a village Žać. It is not easy for them. Shortly after my departure, a some new house was burned out.

So sad that kind of news might be, as long as Serbia denies Kosovo's recognition, as long as that is going to happen in Kosovo. Just as Serbs interfere in North Kosovo, when Albanians try to rebuild there homes there.

Initially in 1999 many internationals sympathised with your lot but the vast, vast majority today say “we should have bombed the Albanians".
(sj, 19 July 2011 05:32)
I love when Serb nationalist try to paint a picture of knowing what the majority of internationals feel. I guess if you are speaking to those visiting your coffee shop while on vacation to Belgrade the majority might say that. Would you say otherwise in an environment that could be hazardous to say so. But someone who is traveling the world 1st would not propose to know what the majority of internationals say, only those they come in contact with which would be like minded individuals, 2nd would have lost some of the nationalist hatred that flows so vividly in Serbia.
Like I said many times the anonyminity of the internet lets us be whoever we want. A financial tycoon in asia, someone who attends all the top level secret meetings of European governments. Those that are privy to information the rest of us unfortunate individuals are not exposed to.
There are 2 groups of internationals who have served in Kosovo. The initial ones who saw the horror and destruction that the Albanians had to come home to after being driven out. A number in the 50,000 range required to protect the Albanians from further murder, rape and torture from exiting Serb military and police, and to prevent their return. And then the today 5000 who drive around the countryside and primarily try to prevent albanians from verbally insulting and throwing stones at buses of Serbs or turning over headstones in grave yards.
As far as what the vast vast majority say about Kosovo and Serbia, I think shows in the number of countries that were "actually involved" in the conflict and aftermath that recognize Kosovo as independent and those that consider Kosovo a province in Serbia.

Don’t let the door hit you on the way out :)

Good riddence.

Look who the article is citing as a credible source non other than Dejan Baljosevic who in 2007 said:

"Dejan Baljošević told B92 that Serb representatives had little time to show the UN ambassadors their plight. Baljošević said he warned the UN mission that Kosovo Serbs would leave Kosovo if the province became independent. "


B92 shouldn't be citing fear mongers, at best it could also get the other side of the story (Ministry of Returns).




Thanks,

LOL Yep, the independent dream state of Kosova is Europe's God forsaken crotchpit. Any international that was unfortunate to spend more than a week there will tell you what an unlivable land these Albanians have turned it into :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 18 July 2011, 17:12)
Any international that has spent time there will tell you what an unlivable land the Albanians returned to after Serbia's seige.

LOL Yep, the independent dream state of Kosova is Europe's God forsaken crotchpit. Any international that was unfortunate to spend more than a week there will tell you what an unlivable land these Albanians have turned it into :)

So sad that kind of news might be, as long as Serbia denies Kosovo's recognition, as long as that is going to happen in Kosovo. Just as Serbs interfere in North Kosovo, when Albanians try to rebuild there homes there.

Wow, several comments condoning ethnic cleansing of Serbs--where are the moderators? Is this a still a site by Serbs and for Serbs?

Any international that has spent time there will tell you what an unlivable land the Albanians returned to after Serbia's seige.
(pss, 18 July 2011 17:44)

Yes and I and many many other internationals love that after 10 years and millions in investment you've managed to keep it as Europe's septic tank :)

"There was no electricity and water in the returnees' homes, and the majority of the houses were demolished again after they were built, Tanjug was told by coordinator for internally displaced persons in the Orahovac municipality Dejan Baljošević."

Great to know that new build or restored houses payed with donor money got destroyed again. A real multiethnic paradise, this Kosovo.

Instead of making this kind of nonsense comments you should visit serb community in Orahovac and Velika Hoca for to see their poor living condition and the permanent stress they're submitted to.

And this is why Serbs should never have any ounce of sympathy for Albanians/Muslims. They are only too happy to kill and cleanse Serbs. Serbs should NEVER give Albanians jobs in Serbia because once they build their numbers up they will push the Serbs out without qualms.

And this also shows the futility of these "negotiations" with the ethnic Albanians - they will take and take but will never uphold any agreement of even give the least basic human rights for Serbs.

Two things that people here either missed or don't want to acknowledge before they post:

1. "There was no electricity and water in the returnees' homes, and the majority of the houses were demolished again after they were built, Tanjug was told by coordinator for internally displaced persons in the Orahovac municipality Dejan Baljošević."

-- Which basically means a lack of basic living conditions forced the Serbs to return to Central Serbia, not any angry Albanian mob that chased them out. Well, at least this time. It also raises an additional question: were these houses demolished (and here I assume "demolished" meant stripped of utilities and functionality) because they were Serb houses or because they were empty houses? The article seems to imply these houses were built for returnees but how long they sat empty is unknown and thus raises the possibility that they were open to pillaging by local thieves and salvagers. We also can't discount the highly likely case that the lack of basic services is a reflection the larger area in which conditions can't be ideal at all. This isn't Pristina where all the money goes. This is Orahovac in rural Kosovo where I can imagine lack of electricity, plumbing, and other basic services are a problem to both resident Serbs and Albanians. Most of Kosovo south of the Ibar and outside Pristina and Gracanica suffer from this.

2. "Over 5,000 Serbs used to live in Orahovac, and there are less than 500 of them now, whereas about 1,000 Serbs live in the neighboring Velika Hoča village."

-- Which means there *are* Serbs there but are in a more compact, and I would imagine secure, enclave. Not a lot, but enough to form some sort of local community. In fact, I remember Velika Hoča in a recent article coming under local Albanian scrutiny for being given *too much* self governance to local Serbs.

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/kosovo-row-over-government-s-plan-on-serb-cultural-heritage-continues

So in other words, K-Serbs continue to live in the area. Those that live there don't mention anything of Albanians looting their houses. Those that returned to Zociste basically returned to an empty area largely impoverished with nothing worth to it and returned to Central Serbia. Had they moved to Velika Hoca, Gracanica or some other more secure Serb enclave with better living conditions, I doubt they would have left as quickly as they did.

As much as I am pro-Serb, this has little if anything to do with harrasment by local Albanians (verbal assaults notwithstanding), and more to do with it being the economy, stupid. These Serbs had an opportunity to leave to seek better living conditions. I doubt the local Albanians have a similar opportunity.

And yes Joachim, I find comments that applaud ethnic cleansing to be deplorable. But knowing where these comments are coming from, I'm pretty sure these guys are diaspora Albanians who have never been there. They're not known for their stimulating contributions on these threads anyway.

Any international that has spent time there will tell you what an unlivable land the Albanians returned to after Serbia's seige.
(pss, 18 July 2011 17:44)


Initially in 1999 many internationals sympathised with your lot but the vast, vast majority today say “we should have bombed the Albanians".

Initially in 1999 many internationals sympathised with your lot but the vast, vast majority today say “we should have bombed the Albanians".
(sj, 19 July 2011 05:32)
I love when Serb nationalist try to paint a picture of knowing what the majority of internationals feel. I guess if you are speaking to those visiting your coffee shop while on vacation to Belgrade the majority might say that. Would you say otherwise in an environment that could be hazardous to say so. But someone who is traveling the world 1st would not propose to know what the majority of internationals say, only those they come in contact with which would be like minded individuals, 2nd would have lost some of the nationalist hatred that flows so vividly in Serbia.
Like I said many times the anonyminity of the internet lets us be whoever we want. A financial tycoon in asia, someone who attends all the top level secret meetings of European governments. Those that are privy to information the rest of us unfortunate individuals are not exposed to.
There are 2 groups of internationals who have served in Kosovo. The initial ones who saw the horror and destruction that the Albanians had to come home to after being driven out. A number in the 50,000 range required to protect the Albanians from further murder, rape and torture from exiting Serb military and police, and to prevent their return. And then the today 5000 who drive around the countryside and primarily try to prevent albanians from verbally insulting and throwing stones at buses of Serbs or turning over headstones in grave yards.
As far as what the vast vast majority say about Kosovo and Serbia, I think shows in the number of countries that were "actually involved" in the conflict and aftermath that recognize Kosovo as independent and those that consider Kosovo a province in Serbia.

A view from a member of a Czech NGO "Friend of Serbs in Kosovo".

I was there. I admire the people who have decided to return. Similar a brave people i know from a village Žać. It is not easy for them. Shortly after my departure, a some new house was burned out.