Milutin Mrkonjić says that if Slobodan Milošević were alive, the Socialist Party of Serbia would still have formed a coalition with the Democrats and G17 Plus.
In Milosevic's Serbia Lazar we had inflation which hadn't been seen since nazi germany.
In Milosevic's Serbia we saw the middle class destroyed, or anybody with any savings at any number of pyramid bank schemes that stole from citizens with the backing of the state.
In Milosevic's Serbia certain state officials went running to the diaspora to collect money, and that money was stolen. Ask Vucelic where the money went, its been 'forgiven' by God knows what deal.
In Milosevic's Serbia the mafia flourished as it never had before, as did the trade of drugs and weapons.
In Milosevic's Serbia the rule of law was abandoned in favour of the rule of SPS/JUL. Opponenets of the regime could find themselves six feet under, beaten or fined beyond belief under special laws designed to protect party officials.
Every decent, legal sector of society was on its knees. One of the few benefits of Milosevic's rule perhaps was the reawakening of the film industry in Serbia. Because of all the chaos and strife in the former Jugoslavija and within Serbia there were many subjects of interest, not the least all of the underground style Belgrade movies.
You can hide behind words for Kumanovo. The fact is that before Kumanovo Serbia had control over Kosovo, now foreign troops run things, in the south at least.
Lazar you can't make it up as you go along. Milosevic didn't want the UN to run Kosovo all along, nor did Serbia. Milosevic wanted a free hand in Kosovo, to be able to treat Kosovo as an internal matter. You can't tell complete lies saying he wanted to take it to the UN. When did he ever take it to the UN?
Hell, in the situation before Kumanovo I would have taken it to the UN. A capable politician sees the writing on the wall. The media was rallying against Serbia, western countries leaders were condemning Serbian actions in Kosovo. A smart move is to internationalise and go to a friendly forum before you lose everything. Milosevic was dumb. Well in fact he wasn't really dumb, he was only a coward.
You want to know why he didn't take it to the UN? Because he thought he couldn't sell it to the Serbian people, he thought he would lose elections.
What a miserable, patethic coward. He could have got his propoganda chiefs to work, do one last mass bribing / threatening of political opponents and present himself as peacemaker one last time (having already imitated one at Dayton)...
Anyway you get the picture. You sound as if there is so much you don't know. Feel free to ask...
Bganon...
The signing at Kumanovo explicity states that Kosovo is part of Serbia. Further, it created the KFOR, a body under the UN. That is what we wanted all along. At Rambulliet NATO rejected a UN peace deal - on purpose to bomb us. They would have bombed us regardless of anything, you seem not not get that.
You should know very well that Krajina did not stand a tiny bit of a chance against Croatia. Heck, it's questionable if Serbia stood a chance against the Croat army.
I think you are doing the foolish mistake of blaming the victim. He was quite good if you ask me. No leader in the former Yugoslavia was anywhere near as good as him. That is what bothered the west... that Milosevic's Serbia was a better place to live in than the neighboring eastern european countries.
Analyst, the elections in 2000 were not rigged. Kostunica got 48%, hence there had to have been a runoff. The DOS coalition knew they would lose so they organized protests and well the people succumbed to their rhetoric. The fact is that DOS did not want to count the votes from Kosovo, where Milosevic won over 90%.
Bganon, your views are very troubling. NATO wanted to bomb Serbia no matter what. There is nothing that Milosevic could have done to stop the bombing - other than to give up Serbia's sovereignty. After the bombing ruined the country - a bombing which was only intensifying as time went on - what would you have expected Slobo to do? To let NATO destroy absolutely everything? I sure wouldn't have let that. Your views are so simple and shallow man... in Croatia the Croat army was far superior to the Serbian one, and in Bosnia it is a fact that Republika Srpska was on the brink of defeat in 1995. But hmm, yeah I suppose it is easier to blame it all on Slobo. The west did something similar. They blamed it all on the Serbs. It's a shame that you have fallen down to that level of pathological propaganda.
"He won at the elections, and if you can't accept that, well, perhaps knocking your head into a wall might help."
(Lazar, 18 July 2011 17:36)
Well, even Milosevic himself resigned after a while when the manipulated elections was discovered and the protests didn't stop. And about the eliminating opponents, maybe you remember some 'car accidents' happening some 10 years ago, and maybe you remember the name "Stambolic", do you? ;-)
'We all know that is was Slobodan Milosevic that ensured that Kosovo remained Serbian'
The contrary is true, we all know that it was Slobodan Milosevic that ensured that the Kosovo problem was first internationalised and then it was his regime that handed over soverignty of Kosovo with the inviting in of foreign troops and signing of Kumanovo.
That is what history will record and you can't spin it any other way.
Milosevic 'protected' Serbs in the same way everywere. He gave them vocal support first and then abandoned them to face oblivion on their own.
This is as ridiculous as it gets. Everyone knows that Slobo's SPS was against the DS. They were opposites. Slobo was always in a coalition with the radicals, not these pro-West guys.
Analyst, get your facts straight. Slobo was simply popular. He won at the elections, and if you can't accept that, well, perhaps knocking your head into a wall might help.
The Socialist Party of Serbia said that Slobodan Milošević would have formed a Coalition with the DS, in order to Provide Good Government to the Citizens of Serbia.
This is because a Patriotic influence is Necessary for the DS and, the Steadying Hand along with the Integrity of one of the Patriotic Parties like the SRS, the DSS, and the SPS is what will ensure that Serbia does not recognize the Illegal Unilateral declaration of independence of Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo.
We all know that is was Slobodan Milosevic that ensured that Kosovo remained Serbian, and this is confirmed by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244.
The SPS stated that the Coalition with the DS was not entirely good, because certain Members of the DS are in favour of having a Coalition with the LDP in order to give away Kosovo and join NATO, and this could be why there are Many People who think that the DS Vote should go to the SPS, the G 17 Plus, and the LDP.
The Democratically Elected Honourable Serbian Deputy Prime Minister Ivica Dačić, said that SPS where in favour of Serbia joining the European Union.
We know that Slobodan Milosevic was pleased and impressed with the Loyalty and Integrity that the Democratically Elected Honourable Serbian Deputy Prime Minister Ivica Dačić had toward Serbia, and toward all the People of Serbia and Serbia’s Province of Kosovo.
Regardless of the Lies about Slobodan Milosevic in the Western Media, that we will ignore because those lies are irrelevant to Today’s Europe, he would be pleased to see Party has continued it pledge to provide Good Government to all Citizens of Serbia.
I think Milosevic would have manipulated elections until there's no need to share the power with other parties, and/or he would have cared for imprisoning or eliminating political opponents in advance.
Yeah right Mrkonjic, except you are forgetting the split in SPS whilst Milosevic was at the Hague. Part of SPS, headed by Vucelic, and the Sloboda organisation campaigning for Sloba's release were completely against SPS doing a deal with DS. They were much closer to SRS.
Sloba himself (as usual) played both sides, but was no fan of 'that puffed up piece of turkish delight' - Dacic. Because Sloba's men were being sidelined he was closer to the SPS / SRS wing.
It never ceases to amaze me how politicians rewrite history, either because they have the ability to lie to themselves and believe it or simply because lying is a part of politics.
Anyway enough of this trying to rebreathe life into the dead speculation. Its morbid and absurd.
The Socialist Party of Serbia said that Slobodan Milošević would have formed a Coalition with the DS, in order to Provide Good Government to the Citizens of Serbia.
This is because a Patriotic influence is Necessary for the DS and, the Steadying Hand along with the Integrity of one of the Patriotic Parties like the SRS, the DSS, and the SPS is what will ensure that Serbia does not recognize the Illegal Unilateral declaration of independence of Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo.
We all know that is was Slobodan Milosevic that ensured that Kosovo remained Serbian, and this is confirmed by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244.
The SPS stated that the Coalition with the DS was not entirely good, because certain Members of the DS are in favour of having a Coalition with the LDP in order to give away Kosovo and join NATO, and this could be why there are Many People who think that the DS Vote should go to the SPS, the G 17 Plus, and the LDP.
The Democratically Elected Honourable Serbian Deputy Prime Minister Ivica Dačić, said that SPS where in favour of Serbia joining the European Union.
We know that Slobodan Milosevic was pleased and impressed with the Loyalty and Integrity that the Democratically Elected Honourable Serbian Deputy Prime Minister Ivica Dačić had toward Serbia, and toward all the People of Serbia and Serbia’s Province of Kosovo.
Regardless of the Lies about Slobodan Milosevic in the Western Media, that we will ignore because those lies are irrelevant to Today’s Europe, he would be pleased to see Party has continued it pledge to provide Good Government to all Citizens of Serbia.
'We all know that is was Slobodan Milosevic that ensured that Kosovo remained Serbian'
The contrary is true, we all know that it was Slobodan Milosevic that ensured that the Kosovo problem was first internationalised and then it was his regime that handed over soverignty of Kosovo with the inviting in of foreign troops and signing of Kumanovo.
That is what history will record and you can't spin it any other way.
Milosevic 'protected' Serbs in the same way everywere. He gave them vocal support first and then abandoned them to face oblivion on their own.
Yeah right Mrkonjic, except you are forgetting the split in SPS whilst Milosevic was at the Hague. Part of SPS, headed by Vucelic, and the Sloboda organisation campaigning for Sloba's release were completely against SPS doing a deal with DS. They were much closer to SRS.
Sloba himself (as usual) played both sides, but was no fan of 'that puffed up piece of turkish delight' - Dacic. Because Sloba's men were being sidelined he was closer to the SPS / SRS wing.
It never ceases to amaze me how politicians rewrite history, either because they have the ability to lie to themselves and believe it or simply because lying is a part of politics.
Anyway enough of this trying to rebreathe life into the dead speculation. Its morbid and absurd.
I think Milosevic would have manipulated elections until there's no need to share the power with other parties, and/or he would have cared for imprisoning or eliminating political opponents in advance.
This is as ridiculous as it gets. Everyone knows that Slobo's SPS was against the DS. They were opposites. Slobo was always in a coalition with the radicals, not these pro-West guys.
Analyst, get your facts straight. Slobo was simply popular. He won at the elections, and if you can't accept that, well, perhaps knocking your head into a wall might help.
"He won at the elections, and if you can't accept that, well, perhaps knocking your head into a wall might help."
(Lazar, 18 July 2011 17:36)
Well, even Milosevic himself resigned after a while when the manipulated elections was discovered and the protests didn't stop. And about the eliminating opponents, maybe you remember some 'car accidents' happening some 10 years ago, and maybe you remember the name "Stambolic", do you? ;-)
Analyst, the elections in 2000 were not rigged. Kostunica got 48%, hence there had to have been a runoff. The DOS coalition knew they would lose so they organized protests and well the people succumbed to their rhetoric. The fact is that DOS did not want to count the votes from Kosovo, where Milosevic won over 90%.
Bganon, your views are very troubling. NATO wanted to bomb Serbia no matter what. There is nothing that Milosevic could have done to stop the bombing - other than to give up Serbia's sovereignty. After the bombing ruined the country - a bombing which was only intensifying as time went on - what would you have expected Slobo to do? To let NATO destroy absolutely everything? I sure wouldn't have let that. Your views are so simple and shallow man... in Croatia the Croat army was far superior to the Serbian one, and in Bosnia it is a fact that Republika Srpska was on the brink of defeat in 1995. But hmm, yeah I suppose it is easier to blame it all on Slobo. The west did something similar. They blamed it all on the Serbs. It's a shame that you have fallen down to that level of pathological propaganda.
In Milosevic's Serbia Lazar we had inflation which hadn't been seen since nazi germany.
In Milosevic's Serbia we saw the middle class destroyed, or anybody with any savings at any number of pyramid bank schemes that stole from citizens with the backing of the state.
In Milosevic's Serbia certain state officials went running to the diaspora to collect money, and that money was stolen. Ask Vucelic where the money went, its been 'forgiven' by God knows what deal.
In Milosevic's Serbia the mafia flourished as it never had before, as did the trade of drugs and weapons.
In Milosevic's Serbia the rule of law was abandoned in favour of the rule of SPS/JUL. Opponenets of the regime could find themselves six feet under, beaten or fined beyond belief under special laws designed to protect party officials.
Every decent, legal sector of society was on its knees. One of the few benefits of Milosevic's rule perhaps was the reawakening of the film industry in Serbia. Because of all the chaos and strife in the former Jugoslavija and within Serbia there were many subjects of interest, not the least all of the underground style Belgrade movies.
You can hide behind words for Kumanovo. The fact is that before Kumanovo Serbia had control over Kosovo, now foreign troops run things, in the south at least.
Lazar you can't make it up as you go along. Milosevic didn't want the UN to run Kosovo all along, nor did Serbia. Milosevic wanted a free hand in Kosovo, to be able to treat Kosovo as an internal matter. You can't tell complete lies saying he wanted to take it to the UN. When did he ever take it to the UN?
Hell, in the situation before Kumanovo I would have taken it to the UN. A capable politician sees the writing on the wall. The media was rallying against Serbia, western countries leaders were condemning Serbian actions in Kosovo. A smart move is to internationalise and go to a friendly forum before you lose everything. Milosevic was dumb. Well in fact he wasn't really dumb, he was only a coward.
You want to know why he didn't take it to the UN? Because he thought he couldn't sell it to the Serbian people, he thought he would lose elections.
What a miserable, patethic coward. He could have got his propoganda chiefs to work, do one last mass bribing / threatening of political opponents and present himself as peacemaker one last time (having already imitated one at Dayton)...
Anyway you get the picture. You sound as if there is so much you don't know. Feel free to ask...
Bganon...
The signing at Kumanovo explicity states that Kosovo is part of Serbia. Further, it created the KFOR, a body under the UN. That is what we wanted all along. At Rambulliet NATO rejected a UN peace deal - on purpose to bomb us. They would have bombed us regardless of anything, you seem not not get that.
You should know very well that Krajina did not stand a tiny bit of a chance against Croatia. Heck, it's questionable if Serbia stood a chance against the Croat army.
I think you are doing the foolish mistake of blaming the victim. He was quite good if you ask me. No leader in the former Yugoslavia was anywhere near as good as him. That is what bothered the west... that Milosevic's Serbia was a better place to live in than the neighboring eastern european countries.
Yeah right Mrkonjic, except you are forgetting the split in SPS whilst Milosevic was at the Hague. Part of SPS, headed by Vucelic, and the Sloboda organisation campaigning for Sloba's release were completely against SPS doing a deal with DS. They were much closer to SRS.
Sloba himself (as usual) played both sides, but was no fan of 'that puffed up piece of turkish delight' - Dacic. Because Sloba's men were being sidelined he was closer to the SPS / SRS wing.
It never ceases to amaze me how politicians rewrite history, either because they have the ability to lie to themselves and believe it or simply because lying is a part of politics.
Anyway enough of this trying to rebreathe life into the dead speculation. Its morbid and absurd.
'We all know that is was Slobodan Milosevic that ensured that Kosovo remained Serbian'
The contrary is true, we all know that it was Slobodan Milosevic that ensured that the Kosovo problem was first internationalised and then it was his regime that handed over soverignty of Kosovo with the inviting in of foreign troops and signing of Kumanovo.
That is what history will record and you can't spin it any other way.
Milosevic 'protected' Serbs in the same way everywere. He gave them vocal support first and then abandoned them to face oblivion on their own.
The Socialist Party of Serbia said that Slobodan Milošević would have formed a Coalition with the DS, in order to Provide Good Government to the Citizens of Serbia.
This is because a Patriotic influence is Necessary for the DS and, the Steadying Hand along with the Integrity of one of the Patriotic Parties like the SRS, the DSS, and the SPS is what will ensure that Serbia does not recognize the Illegal Unilateral declaration of independence of Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo.
We all know that is was Slobodan Milosevic that ensured that Kosovo remained Serbian, and this is confirmed by United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244.
The SPS stated that the Coalition with the DS was not entirely good, because certain Members of the DS are in favour of having a Coalition with the LDP in order to give away Kosovo and join NATO, and this could be why there are Many People who think that the DS Vote should go to the SPS, the G 17 Plus, and the LDP.
The Democratically Elected Honourable Serbian Deputy Prime Minister Ivica Dačić, said that SPS where in favour of Serbia joining the European Union.
We know that Slobodan Milosevic was pleased and impressed with the Loyalty and Integrity that the Democratically Elected Honourable Serbian Deputy Prime Minister Ivica Dačić had toward Serbia, and toward all the People of Serbia and Serbia’s Province of Kosovo.
Regardless of the Lies about Slobodan Milosevic in the Western Media, that we will ignore because those lies are irrelevant to Today’s Europe, he would be pleased to see Party has continued it pledge to provide Good Government to all Citizens of Serbia.
This is as ridiculous as it gets. Everyone knows that Slobo's SPS was against the DS. They were opposites. Slobo was always in a coalition with the radicals, not these pro-West guys.
Analyst, get your facts straight. Slobo was simply popular. He won at the elections, and if you can't accept that, well, perhaps knocking your head into a wall might help.
Analyst, the elections in 2000 were not rigged. Kostunica got 48%, hence there had to have been a runoff. The DOS coalition knew they would lose so they organized protests and well the people succumbed to their rhetoric. The fact is that DOS did not want to count the votes from Kosovo, where Milosevic won over 90%.
Bganon, your views are very troubling. NATO wanted to bomb Serbia no matter what. There is nothing that Milosevic could have done to stop the bombing - other than to give up Serbia's sovereignty. After the bombing ruined the country - a bombing which was only intensifying as time went on - what would you have expected Slobo to do? To let NATO destroy absolutely everything? I sure wouldn't have let that. Your views are so simple and shallow man... in Croatia the Croat army was far superior to the Serbian one, and in Bosnia it is a fact that Republika Srpska was on the brink of defeat in 1995. But hmm, yeah I suppose it is easier to blame it all on Slobo. The west did something similar. They blamed it all on the Serbs. It's a shame that you have fallen down to that level of pathological propaganda.
I think Milosevic would have manipulated elections until there's no need to share the power with other parties, and/or he would have cared for imprisoning or eliminating political opponents in advance.
Bganon...
The signing at Kumanovo explicity states that Kosovo is part of Serbia. Further, it created the KFOR, a body under the UN. That is what we wanted all along. At Rambulliet NATO rejected a UN peace deal - on purpose to bomb us. They would have bombed us regardless of anything, you seem not not get that.
You should know very well that Krajina did not stand a tiny bit of a chance against Croatia. Heck, it's questionable if Serbia stood a chance against the Croat army.
I think you are doing the foolish mistake of blaming the victim. He was quite good if you ask me. No leader in the former Yugoslavia was anywhere near as good as him. That is what bothered the west... that Milosevic's Serbia was a better place to live in than the neighboring eastern european countries.
"He won at the elections, and if you can't accept that, well, perhaps knocking your head into a wall might help."
(Lazar, 18 July 2011 17:36)
Well, even Milosevic himself resigned after a while when the manipulated elections was discovered and the protests didn't stop. And about the eliminating opponents, maybe you remember some 'car accidents' happening some 10 years ago, and maybe you remember the name "Stambolic", do you? ;-)
In Milosevic's Serbia Lazar we had inflation which hadn't been seen since nazi germany.
In Milosevic's Serbia we saw the middle class destroyed, or anybody with any savings at any number of pyramid bank schemes that stole from citizens with the backing of the state.
In Milosevic's Serbia certain state officials went running to the diaspora to collect money, and that money was stolen. Ask Vucelic where the money went, its been 'forgiven' by God knows what deal.
In Milosevic's Serbia the mafia flourished as it never had before, as did the trade of drugs and weapons.
In Milosevic's Serbia the rule of law was abandoned in favour of the rule of SPS/JUL. Opponenets of the regime could find themselves six feet under, beaten or fined beyond belief under special laws designed to protect party officials.
Every decent, legal sector of society was on its knees. One of the few benefits of Milosevic's rule perhaps was the reawakening of the film industry in Serbia. Because of all the chaos and strife in the former Jugoslavija and within Serbia there were many subjects of interest, not the least all of the underground style Belgrade movies.
You can hide behind words for Kumanovo. The fact is that before Kumanovo Serbia had control over Kosovo, now foreign troops run things, in the south at least.
Lazar you can't make it up as you go along. Milosevic didn't want the UN to run Kosovo all along, nor did Serbia. Milosevic wanted a free hand in Kosovo, to be able to treat Kosovo as an internal matter. You can't tell complete lies saying he wanted to take it to the UN. When did he ever take it to the UN?
Hell, in the situation before Kumanovo I would have taken it to the UN. A capable politician sees the writing on the wall. The media was rallying against Serbia, western countries leaders were condemning Serbian actions in Kosovo. A smart move is to internationalise and go to a friendly forum before you lose everything. Milosevic was dumb. Well in fact he wasn't really dumb, he was only a coward.
You want to know why he didn't take it to the UN? Because he thought he couldn't sell it to the Serbian people, he thought he would lose elections.
What a miserable, patethic coward. He could have got his propoganda chiefs to work, do one last mass bribing / threatening of political opponents and present himself as peacemaker one last time (having already imitated one at Dayton)...
Anyway you get the picture. You sound as if there is so much you don't know. Feel free to ask...
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