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Tuesday, 12.07.2011.

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Serb victims of eastern Bosnia remembered

A ceremony dedicated to the Serbs killed by Muslim forces under Naser Orić's command will be held in the village of Bratunac on Tuesday.

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balkanico

pre 12 godina

Ultan wrote:

"The thousands of innocent Serbian men, women and children, who lost their lives at the hands of Naser Oric’s death squads, will be marked as always with quiet dignity. There will be no international representation"

Just for the record: there were a lot of internationals present in Bratunac too, who went there after going to Srebrenica the day before. This in stark contrast to the RS and Federation leadership.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

wow very brave fanatical islamic jihad forces killing anything serbian in their sight women children and elderly, very brave. Sarajevo today looks like saudi arabia. All ethnically cleansed of serbs. Why don't they do everyone a favour and move to saudi arabia? Who the hell wants to live with these fanatics?
(Ratko, 12 July 2011 20:07) The only ones ethnic cleansed Serbs in Sarajevo is Serbs them selfs and their criminal leadership http://www.nytimes.com/specials/bosnia/context/0223yugo-bosnia.html . It is unbelievable how the majority of Serbs have become self delusional. It's humorous reading Lenard's ongoing (repetitive) attempts to have Serbs feel guilty about themselves, and their country Republika Srpska. What a pathetic waste of time. I don't recall even a single Serb coming forward and agreeing with him.
(nick, 12 July 2011 22:01) You think it is funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYdbGHzaTk&feature=related not any more.

Andy UK

pre 12 godina

Whenever there's an anniversary regarding the Bosnian war marked, I always wonder what would have happened if Izetbegovic hadn't pulled out of the Cutileiro agreement in March 1992.

Had that been signed, war might have been averted and the 3 nations of Bosnia getting a better set up than what they ended up with after 3 years of war and 200,000 deaths.

roberto

pre 12 godina

b92 stop laying!! Be the program that you once were!! Stop printing propaganda.
(femi, 12 July 2011 16:26)

If it were to stop printing its propaganda and reactionary mouthpieces, the pages would nearly be blank.

Goran.

pre 12 godina

You cover my sins and I will cover yours we will sweep them under the carpet and we will declare our selfs mutually good and self righteous. How long will the delusions last before we are back to war or our children.

Sham something that is not what it purports to be; a spurious imitation; fraud or hoax.


(Lenard, 12 July 2011 18:34)


Sorry Lenard - The Serbs don't go around slaughtering then run off to church to confession were some pedophiliac sod tells us all is forgiven. e.g. Ante Pavlic and The Ratlines during WWII.


So when you stop being biased and ever so patriotic - ask yourself how many Croats or Bosnians have stood trial for their known war crimes against Serbs. Now compare this to Serbs and the Hague - the truth may startle you, but then again from what your saying crimes against Serbs are the best thing out since sliced bread

nick

pre 12 godina

It's humorous reading Lenard's ongoing (repetitive) attempts to have Serbs feel guilty about themselves, and their country Republika Srpska. What a pathetic waste of time. I don't recall even a single Serb coming forward and agreeing with him.

nick

pre 12 godina

"If Serbia were a serious country and not a pathetic banana republic it would deal with a genocidal butcher like Oric using the Israeli Mossad recipe.
(Jim, 12 July 2011 14:40)"

It's amazing that you took the words right out of my mouth. A proud and fearsome country which once produced ruthlessly effective (but ironically conflicting) organizations such as the black hand, and UDBA, so that even Stalin knew when to fear and back off, has lost it mojo to a large degree. Time to get it back and extend Serbia's reach all around the world again, similar to the glory days when Croatian war criminals where exterminated in argentina, or wherever they were hiding like rats.

Ratko

pre 12 godina

wow very brave fanatical islamic jihad forces killing anything serbian in their sight women children and elderly, very brave. Sarajevo today looks like saudi arabia. All ethnically cleansed of serbs. Why don't they do everyone a favour and move to saudi arabia? Who the hell wants to live with these fanatics?

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Lenard

Dodik is a recognized leader of the RS. Republika Srpska is also created in Dayton Ohio by the "big powers" including the US of A. The only way Bosnian serbs will avoid the same destiny as in Croatia and Kosovo is to run their own affairs in their own republic or country. If this is to much for you to swollow then that's to bad. However, I think serbs would rather satisfy their own needs rather then making a croat happy by giving up all their rights to self determination and freedom. If croats, muslims and albanains can have self determination, so can the serbs.

"It is often forgotten that by Bosnian Serb standards, Dodik is a moderate. It may be tough for international community negotiators to accept but Dodik represents the most liberal wing of mainstream Bosnian Serb political thinking."
http://liberty.snd-us.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45:republika-srpska-after-independence&catid=2:world-politics

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Lenard

What do you hope to achieve by constantly going back in time and playing the blame game? The war of the 90s belongs to the past. MikeC very profound no not really. I hope to achieve people stop living in delusions and denial of justifying them selfs of what they did as good and rite of their self declared innocents. That people stop listening to Dodos like Dodik of the "Srpska entity" that is based on nothing but on fanatical murder, ethnic cleansing etc and all evils known to man. That true reconciliation starts before it is to late not based on self serving expediency and injustices of the so called leaders. You cover my sins and I will cover yours we will sweep them under the carpet and we will declare our selfs mutually good and self righteous. How long will the delusions last before we are back to war or our children. Before political opportunist check what are those lumps under the carpet and pull them out look what I found we have been wronged. Stirred up again the grievances by the so called leaders for their own short sighted self serving vile evil wickedness. A comprehensive peace deal that will last what we have now is a big sham that will get us nowhere good. Sham something that is not what it purports to be; a spurious imitation; fraud or hoax.

femi

pre 12 godina

Serb victims!!??
Its ridicules to write about Serb victims in Srebrenica when so many Bosnia’s’ bodies are buried nearby.
What a joke this is. It is appalling that b92 propaganda is little different from that of Milosevic’s TV station that nato bombed in 99.
Naser Oriq had an army of 100-200 soldiers armed with LLavaqka and Pushka from the second WW did perhaps some damage but from my own experiences with Kosovo if Serb media (B92) say 100 Serbs were killed that means one Serb really died.
Serbian propaganda increases by 100%. So if these Srebrenica victims were Serbs b92 and co Serb media would say 80 000 Serbs lie dead here. The news would be so big that even aliens would have heard serbs crying over and over again.
b92 lies in daily bases about Serb buses in Kosovo being attacked, Serbs being bitten and molested by KPS etc, while In Kosovo (where I live) there are Serbs everywhere and quite frankly there are Albanians and Serbs working even in building sites together believed or not.

b92 stop laying!! Be the program that you once were!! Stop printing propaganda.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Lenard

What do you hope to acheive by constantly going back in time and playing the blame game? The war of the 90s belongs to the past. However, if you chose to go back in time then why stop 20 years ago. Go even further and you will see the dirty history of croats and muslims. But I guess that doesn't fit your agenda and your anti-serb propaganda.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

'Over 1,300 Serbs were killed during the three years of clashes in the territory of the municipalities of Srebrenica, Zvornik, Milici, Bratunac, Vlasenica and Osmaci. In the region of Birče and the Drina River's mid-course, a total of 3,267 Serbs were killed, a majority of whom were civilians, women and children.'

Where are all the humanitarians? Where is the outrage Bob, Danilo, Roberta??? We are talking women and children here, butchered by a war criminal who was set free by your beloved kangaroo court. Oh, I forgot, you are too busy trying to justify the theft of sovereign Serbian soil and its handover to organ snatchers to care for Serbian civilians, or for truth, or for justice. Yes, very selective 'humanitarians' indeed.
RIP to all the victims.

Jim

pre 12 godina

If Serbia were a serious country and not a pathetic banana republic it would deal with a genocidal butcher like Oric using the Israeli Mossad recipe.

Ultan

pre 12 godina

The thousands of innocent Serbian men, women and children, who lost their lives at the hands of Naser Oric’s death squads, will be marked as always with quiet dignity. There will be no international representation; no global press coverage; no hysterical blubbering in front of the cameras; no cries of genocide (even though these were acts of genocide); and no apology whatsoever from Bosniak politicians. The victims’ relatives also have to contend with the reality that Oric has not served one single day of his inappropriately brief Hague sentence, but is now poncing around the Bosnian Federation like some sort of war hero/celebrity. Overall, there is simply no justice for the Serbian people, who have suffered just as much as any other ethnic group in the ex-Yu wars.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

If only the war mongering Croatians did not launch the Wars of Aggression, there would be tens of thousands more People alive today.

Any region is always more than 20 years behind Civilization, wherever the Ultra Nationalist Croatian are, because most Croatians identify their National Character as animosity for other Races, and that animosity produces the Desperate Need for certain types of Individuals to relentlessly Slander the Innocent Serbian People.

If Croatia did not attack and stir up their Proxies in the other Republics what a different place Yugoslavia would have been, because it would have existed.

Many Croats did not want Yugoslavia to exist, regardless of what happened to Yugoslavia or its People.

There could be some People who pretend to complain, but secretly they Gloat that they have their Country of Croatia.

It is all Croatia’s fault, because of the violent deranged aggressors caused all the suffering, destruction, all the deaths, and the continued Slander.

There could be some People who might consider not complaining too much, because some People might see their Con Act for what it is.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

This comment is an updated comment, and it tries to be a Diplomatic as possible, without having to start Lying, even though my comments are more Diplomatic than some that you allow to be published in this supposedly Wonderful Era of Democratic European Values.

It is impossible to have any Group of People agree on most things, and because of this, there will be a divergence of views most of the times.

I came to the opinion that Slobodan Milosevic was Innocent, after stumbling on a five part YouTube Documentary that is Titled; SHOCKING Slobodan Milosevic was INNOCENT, that is on the Internet.

Slobodan Milosevic was not allowed his own Lawyers, and the Corrupt and Bribed Judges would not allow him to ask Legitimate Questions, and when things did become embarrassing for the International Nazis, then they Censored the proceedings; and this just reinforces my belief that Slobodan Milosevic was Innocent.

People have the Right to their own opinions in a Proper Democracy, and they are also entitled to their opinions, even if they are wrong.

Too many People simply accept what their Media that has Vested Interests tells them, and therefore their opinions are not based on personal research, but are based on lies; either malicious lies, or unintentional lies.

Such a Scenario is unacceptable to the Proper Citizen, and to the Proper Human Being, even if only a few People have the Honestly, the Courage, and the Decency to understand this, and to inform others of this.

I never make up my mind on an accused Person; Unless, and Until I have heard from the accused Person, even if this means doing Sufficient Unbiased Reading on the Subject, and Watching Sufficient Unbiased Documentaries on the Internet.

I think that what the Overwhelming Majority of the Serbian People Want, and Should Demand, and what most of the Ethnic Groups want and Demand, is that there Must be a Fair, Balanced, and Honest Media presentation of the wars of the former Yugoslavia, that hears from all sides.

Srebrenica as terrible as it was; should not falsely be portrayed as genocide, because with the knowledge we have so far, we can only say that the best possible scenario is that it was a regrettable and unavoidable Act of Self Defence.

The Women and Children and Old Men were allowed to leave, and only the Soldiers, some of them Boy Soldiers who can kill you or your family and friends just as dead as an Adult soldier can, were not permitted to leave Srebrenica, because it was a War between two Armies.

The number of deaths in the Bosnian Civil War was approximately 100,000 with close to the same number of combatants and civilians who died in that Civil War, and we see why the Serbs wanted to Defend Themselves, their Families, and their Communities.

The Bosnian Civil War was a war between one group of Serbs who had the Croats as their ally, and another group of Serbs who had Radovan and General Ratko Mladic as their leaders, but only time will tell if these are Secret Muslim Janissaries.

What I never could understand about Karadzic and Mladic is that they could very easily have gone to a neighbouring Country, and taken some photos with his Mobile Phone to prove that he was not in Serbia, but he never did that for reason he knows best, and we can just guess at.

The number of Bosnian Muslims who died at Srebrenica has been exaggerated with a figure of 8,000, but others say that it was approximately 2,000, but unbiased figure would have helped years ago.

If the Serbian People apologize for Defending themselves, then they have given up their Right of Self Defence which is Legal under International Law.

There can be no genuine Reconciliation that is based on lies, and that is why America needs to tell the World that they are Filthy Liars, an instruct their Evil Media to begin telling the Truth, as Difficult as it is for these Criminals without a Conscience to do.

There cannot be any real security while any side believes any lies they have heard so often.

After Slobodan Milosevic was presented for Trial, then he was Presumed Innocent, and he was never convicted of anything, and therefore he is presumed Innocent till this day.

It looks like The Hague had to murder Slobodan Milosevic, because they knew that he was Innocent, and he was useful, because he was betrayed to Trial, and this very Act was all that the Media needed to Slander the Serbian People.

Any proper Serbian Government would Demand, Yes Demand, that the World stops Lying and begins telling the Truth that the Serbian People, including Slobodan Milosevic are the Most Innocent of all the Major Ethnic Groups of the former Yugoslavia.

If the World wants to know who Really is Innocent, then there is a Proven Method that Works Most of the Times.

This Proven Method involves listening to what America says, and then knowing that America will Most Certainly Lie, and therefore, those they Slanderously Accuse of being Guilty will More than Likely be Innocent.

As things stand at the moment, we do not know if General Ratko Mladic is a Secret Muslim Janissary, and so the Known Evidence says that Srebrenica was a regrettable and unavoidable Act of Self Defence.

If the Bosnian Muslims said that according to the Evidence thus far, it was regrettable but unavoidable that General Ratko Mladic had to kill these males fighters at Srebrenica, because it was a time of war, and an Act of Self Defence.

If this is the background to the Srebrenica memorials, then I think that the Serbian Government could send a representative of the Serbian People, because People need to fully understand that Lawlessness has its consequences, because you will reap what you sow.

I want to once again, say how sad I am that the Bosnian Serb Army needed to Defend themselves and their Communities, because some Residents of Srebrenica insisted on being a Danger to other People, and for no legitimate reason.

Unless Radovan Karadzic and General Ratko Mladic are found to be a Secret Muslim Janissaries at their Trials, then that is the way to view this unfortunate Act of Self Defence.

If Radovan Karadzic and General Ratko Mladic are found Guilty by the Corrupt Political Court in the Hague, then Many Serbs will believe that they are Innocent.

If we disagree, then we should Agree to disagree without becoming disagreeable, because that is how matters are Properly Debated in the Interests of the Community, including the Worldwide Community.

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

To bad if only war mongering Serbia did not launch the wars of aggression their would be tens of thousand alive today. The region would not be 20 + years behind and more animosity produced. Serbia is the culprit in all these evils. If Serbia did not attack and stir their proxys in the other republics what a different place ex Yugo would of been. Serbia did not attack Montenegro and stir up the Serb minority so their was no war their or misery or bloodshed yap its all Serbias fault the violent deranged aggressor for all the suffering ,destruction and all the deaths.
(Lenard, 12 July 2011, 10:39)

It wasnt 'All the Serbs fault' It was the fault of extremists and Ultranationalists like yourself that caused the suffering

Lenard

pre 12 godina

To bad if only war mongering Serbia did not launch the wars of aggression their would be tens of thousand alive today. The region would not be 20 + years behind and more animosity produced. Serbia is the culprit in all these evils. If Serbia did not attack and stir their proxys in the other republics what a different place ex Yugo would of been. Serbia did not attack Montenegro and stir up the Serb minority so their was no war their or misery or bloodshed yap its all Serbias fault the violent deranged aggressor for all the suffering ,destruction and all the deaths.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

'Over 1,300 Serbs were killed during the three years of clashes in the territory of the municipalities of Srebrenica, Zvornik, Milici, Bratunac, Vlasenica and Osmaci. In the region of Birče and the Drina River's mid-course, a total of 3,267 Serbs were killed, a majority of whom were civilians, women and children.'

Where are all the humanitarians? Where is the outrage Bob, Danilo, Roberta??? We are talking women and children here, butchered by a war criminal who was set free by your beloved kangaroo court. Oh, I forgot, you are too busy trying to justify the theft of sovereign Serbian soil and its handover to organ snatchers to care for Serbian civilians, or for truth, or for justice. Yes, very selective 'humanitarians' indeed.
RIP to all the victims.

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

To bad if only war mongering Serbia did not launch the wars of aggression their would be tens of thousand alive today. The region would not be 20 + years behind and more animosity produced. Serbia is the culprit in all these evils. If Serbia did not attack and stir their proxys in the other republics what a different place ex Yugo would of been. Serbia did not attack Montenegro and stir up the Serb minority so their was no war their or misery or bloodshed yap its all Serbias fault the violent deranged aggressor for all the suffering ,destruction and all the deaths.
(Lenard, 12 July 2011, 10:39)

It wasnt 'All the Serbs fault' It was the fault of extremists and Ultranationalists like yourself that caused the suffering

Ultan

pre 12 godina

The thousands of innocent Serbian men, women and children, who lost their lives at the hands of Naser Oric’s death squads, will be marked as always with quiet dignity. There will be no international representation; no global press coverage; no hysterical blubbering in front of the cameras; no cries of genocide (even though these were acts of genocide); and no apology whatsoever from Bosniak politicians. The victims’ relatives also have to contend with the reality that Oric has not served one single day of his inappropriately brief Hague sentence, but is now poncing around the Bosnian Federation like some sort of war hero/celebrity. Overall, there is simply no justice for the Serbian people, who have suffered just as much as any other ethnic group in the ex-Yu wars.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

If only the war mongering Croatians did not launch the Wars of Aggression, there would be tens of thousands more People alive today.

Any region is always more than 20 years behind Civilization, wherever the Ultra Nationalist Croatian are, because most Croatians identify their National Character as animosity for other Races, and that animosity produces the Desperate Need for certain types of Individuals to relentlessly Slander the Innocent Serbian People.

If Croatia did not attack and stir up their Proxies in the other Republics what a different place Yugoslavia would have been, because it would have existed.

Many Croats did not want Yugoslavia to exist, regardless of what happened to Yugoslavia or its People.

There could be some People who pretend to complain, but secretly they Gloat that they have their Country of Croatia.

It is all Croatia’s fault, because of the violent deranged aggressors caused all the suffering, destruction, all the deaths, and the continued Slander.

There could be some People who might consider not complaining too much, because some People might see their Con Act for what it is.

Jim

pre 12 godina

If Serbia were a serious country and not a pathetic banana republic it would deal with a genocidal butcher like Oric using the Israeli Mossad recipe.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Lenard

What do you hope to acheive by constantly going back in time and playing the blame game? The war of the 90s belongs to the past. However, if you chose to go back in time then why stop 20 years ago. Go even further and you will see the dirty history of croats and muslims. But I guess that doesn't fit your agenda and your anti-serb propaganda.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

To bad if only war mongering Serbia did not launch the wars of aggression their would be tens of thousand alive today. The region would not be 20 + years behind and more animosity produced. Serbia is the culprit in all these evils. If Serbia did not attack and stir their proxys in the other republics what a different place ex Yugo would of been. Serbia did not attack Montenegro and stir up the Serb minority so their was no war their or misery or bloodshed yap its all Serbias fault the violent deranged aggressor for all the suffering ,destruction and all the deaths.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

This comment is an updated comment, and it tries to be a Diplomatic as possible, without having to start Lying, even though my comments are more Diplomatic than some that you allow to be published in this supposedly Wonderful Era of Democratic European Values.

It is impossible to have any Group of People agree on most things, and because of this, there will be a divergence of views most of the times.

I came to the opinion that Slobodan Milosevic was Innocent, after stumbling on a five part YouTube Documentary that is Titled; SHOCKING Slobodan Milosevic was INNOCENT, that is on the Internet.

Slobodan Milosevic was not allowed his own Lawyers, and the Corrupt and Bribed Judges would not allow him to ask Legitimate Questions, and when things did become embarrassing for the International Nazis, then they Censored the proceedings; and this just reinforces my belief that Slobodan Milosevic was Innocent.

People have the Right to their own opinions in a Proper Democracy, and they are also entitled to their opinions, even if they are wrong.

Too many People simply accept what their Media that has Vested Interests tells them, and therefore their opinions are not based on personal research, but are based on lies; either malicious lies, or unintentional lies.

Such a Scenario is unacceptable to the Proper Citizen, and to the Proper Human Being, even if only a few People have the Honestly, the Courage, and the Decency to understand this, and to inform others of this.

I never make up my mind on an accused Person; Unless, and Until I have heard from the accused Person, even if this means doing Sufficient Unbiased Reading on the Subject, and Watching Sufficient Unbiased Documentaries on the Internet.

I think that what the Overwhelming Majority of the Serbian People Want, and Should Demand, and what most of the Ethnic Groups want and Demand, is that there Must be a Fair, Balanced, and Honest Media presentation of the wars of the former Yugoslavia, that hears from all sides.

Srebrenica as terrible as it was; should not falsely be portrayed as genocide, because with the knowledge we have so far, we can only say that the best possible scenario is that it was a regrettable and unavoidable Act of Self Defence.

The Women and Children and Old Men were allowed to leave, and only the Soldiers, some of them Boy Soldiers who can kill you or your family and friends just as dead as an Adult soldier can, were not permitted to leave Srebrenica, because it was a War between two Armies.

The number of deaths in the Bosnian Civil War was approximately 100,000 with close to the same number of combatants and civilians who died in that Civil War, and we see why the Serbs wanted to Defend Themselves, their Families, and their Communities.

The Bosnian Civil War was a war between one group of Serbs who had the Croats as their ally, and another group of Serbs who had Radovan and General Ratko Mladic as their leaders, but only time will tell if these are Secret Muslim Janissaries.

What I never could understand about Karadzic and Mladic is that they could very easily have gone to a neighbouring Country, and taken some photos with his Mobile Phone to prove that he was not in Serbia, but he never did that for reason he knows best, and we can just guess at.

The number of Bosnian Muslims who died at Srebrenica has been exaggerated with a figure of 8,000, but others say that it was approximately 2,000, but unbiased figure would have helped years ago.

If the Serbian People apologize for Defending themselves, then they have given up their Right of Self Defence which is Legal under International Law.

There can be no genuine Reconciliation that is based on lies, and that is why America needs to tell the World that they are Filthy Liars, an instruct their Evil Media to begin telling the Truth, as Difficult as it is for these Criminals without a Conscience to do.

There cannot be any real security while any side believes any lies they have heard so often.

After Slobodan Milosevic was presented for Trial, then he was Presumed Innocent, and he was never convicted of anything, and therefore he is presumed Innocent till this day.

It looks like The Hague had to murder Slobodan Milosevic, because they knew that he was Innocent, and he was useful, because he was betrayed to Trial, and this very Act was all that the Media needed to Slander the Serbian People.

Any proper Serbian Government would Demand, Yes Demand, that the World stops Lying and begins telling the Truth that the Serbian People, including Slobodan Milosevic are the Most Innocent of all the Major Ethnic Groups of the former Yugoslavia.

If the World wants to know who Really is Innocent, then there is a Proven Method that Works Most of the Times.

This Proven Method involves listening to what America says, and then knowing that America will Most Certainly Lie, and therefore, those they Slanderously Accuse of being Guilty will More than Likely be Innocent.

As things stand at the moment, we do not know if General Ratko Mladic is a Secret Muslim Janissary, and so the Known Evidence says that Srebrenica was a regrettable and unavoidable Act of Self Defence.

If the Bosnian Muslims said that according to the Evidence thus far, it was regrettable but unavoidable that General Ratko Mladic had to kill these males fighters at Srebrenica, because it was a time of war, and an Act of Self Defence.

If this is the background to the Srebrenica memorials, then I think that the Serbian Government could send a representative of the Serbian People, because People need to fully understand that Lawlessness has its consequences, because you will reap what you sow.

I want to once again, say how sad I am that the Bosnian Serb Army needed to Defend themselves and their Communities, because some Residents of Srebrenica insisted on being a Danger to other People, and for no legitimate reason.

Unless Radovan Karadzic and General Ratko Mladic are found to be a Secret Muslim Janissaries at their Trials, then that is the way to view this unfortunate Act of Self Defence.

If Radovan Karadzic and General Ratko Mladic are found Guilty by the Corrupt Political Court in the Hague, then Many Serbs will believe that they are Innocent.

If we disagree, then we should Agree to disagree without becoming disagreeable, because that is how matters are Properly Debated in the Interests of the Community, including the Worldwide Community.

femi

pre 12 godina

Serb victims!!??
Its ridicules to write about Serb victims in Srebrenica when so many Bosnia’s’ bodies are buried nearby.
What a joke this is. It is appalling that b92 propaganda is little different from that of Milosevic’s TV station that nato bombed in 99.
Naser Oriq had an army of 100-200 soldiers armed with LLavaqka and Pushka from the second WW did perhaps some damage but from my own experiences with Kosovo if Serb media (B92) say 100 Serbs were killed that means one Serb really died.
Serbian propaganda increases by 100%. So if these Srebrenica victims were Serbs b92 and co Serb media would say 80 000 Serbs lie dead here. The news would be so big that even aliens would have heard serbs crying over and over again.
b92 lies in daily bases about Serb buses in Kosovo being attacked, Serbs being bitten and molested by KPS etc, while In Kosovo (where I live) there are Serbs everywhere and quite frankly there are Albanians and Serbs working even in building sites together believed or not.

b92 stop laying!! Be the program that you once were!! Stop printing propaganda.

Ratko

pre 12 godina

wow very brave fanatical islamic jihad forces killing anything serbian in their sight women children and elderly, very brave. Sarajevo today looks like saudi arabia. All ethnically cleansed of serbs. Why don't they do everyone a favour and move to saudi arabia? Who the hell wants to live with these fanatics?

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Lenard

Dodik is a recognized leader of the RS. Republika Srpska is also created in Dayton Ohio by the "big powers" including the US of A. The only way Bosnian serbs will avoid the same destiny as in Croatia and Kosovo is to run their own affairs in their own republic or country. If this is to much for you to swollow then that's to bad. However, I think serbs would rather satisfy their own needs rather then making a croat happy by giving up all their rights to self determination and freedom. If croats, muslims and albanains can have self determination, so can the serbs.

"It is often forgotten that by Bosnian Serb standards, Dodik is a moderate. It may be tough for international community negotiators to accept but Dodik represents the most liberal wing of mainstream Bosnian Serb political thinking."
http://liberty.snd-us.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45:republika-srpska-after-independence&catid=2:world-politics

nick

pre 12 godina

"If Serbia were a serious country and not a pathetic banana republic it would deal with a genocidal butcher like Oric using the Israeli Mossad recipe.
(Jim, 12 July 2011 14:40)"

It's amazing that you took the words right out of my mouth. A proud and fearsome country which once produced ruthlessly effective (but ironically conflicting) organizations such as the black hand, and UDBA, so that even Stalin knew when to fear and back off, has lost it mojo to a large degree. Time to get it back and extend Serbia's reach all around the world again, similar to the glory days when Croatian war criminals where exterminated in argentina, or wherever they were hiding like rats.

nick

pre 12 godina

It's humorous reading Lenard's ongoing (repetitive) attempts to have Serbs feel guilty about themselves, and their country Republika Srpska. What a pathetic waste of time. I don't recall even a single Serb coming forward and agreeing with him.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Lenard

What do you hope to achieve by constantly going back in time and playing the blame game? The war of the 90s belongs to the past. MikeC very profound no not really. I hope to achieve people stop living in delusions and denial of justifying them selfs of what they did as good and rite of their self declared innocents. That people stop listening to Dodos like Dodik of the "Srpska entity" that is based on nothing but on fanatical murder, ethnic cleansing etc and all evils known to man. That true reconciliation starts before it is to late not based on self serving expediency and injustices of the so called leaders. You cover my sins and I will cover yours we will sweep them under the carpet and we will declare our selfs mutually good and self righteous. How long will the delusions last before we are back to war or our children. Before political opportunist check what are those lumps under the carpet and pull them out look what I found we have been wronged. Stirred up again the grievances by the so called leaders for their own short sighted self serving vile evil wickedness. A comprehensive peace deal that will last what we have now is a big sham that will get us nowhere good. Sham something that is not what it purports to be; a spurious imitation; fraud or hoax.

Goran.

pre 12 godina

You cover my sins and I will cover yours we will sweep them under the carpet and we will declare our selfs mutually good and self righteous. How long will the delusions last before we are back to war or our children.

Sham something that is not what it purports to be; a spurious imitation; fraud or hoax.


(Lenard, 12 July 2011 18:34)


Sorry Lenard - The Serbs don't go around slaughtering then run off to church to confession were some pedophiliac sod tells us all is forgiven. e.g. Ante Pavlic and The Ratlines during WWII.


So when you stop being biased and ever so patriotic - ask yourself how many Croats or Bosnians have stood trial for their known war crimes against Serbs. Now compare this to Serbs and the Hague - the truth may startle you, but then again from what your saying crimes against Serbs are the best thing out since sliced bread

Lenard

pre 12 godina

wow very brave fanatical islamic jihad forces killing anything serbian in their sight women children and elderly, very brave. Sarajevo today looks like saudi arabia. All ethnically cleansed of serbs. Why don't they do everyone a favour and move to saudi arabia? Who the hell wants to live with these fanatics?
(Ratko, 12 July 2011 20:07) The only ones ethnic cleansed Serbs in Sarajevo is Serbs them selfs and their criminal leadership http://www.nytimes.com/specials/bosnia/context/0223yugo-bosnia.html . It is unbelievable how the majority of Serbs have become self delusional. It's humorous reading Lenard's ongoing (repetitive) attempts to have Serbs feel guilty about themselves, and their country Republika Srpska. What a pathetic waste of time. I don't recall even a single Serb coming forward and agreeing with him.
(nick, 12 July 2011 22:01) You think it is funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYdbGHzaTk&feature=related not any more.

Andy UK

pre 12 godina

Whenever there's an anniversary regarding the Bosnian war marked, I always wonder what would have happened if Izetbegovic hadn't pulled out of the Cutileiro agreement in March 1992.

Had that been signed, war might have been averted and the 3 nations of Bosnia getting a better set up than what they ended up with after 3 years of war and 200,000 deaths.

roberto

pre 12 godina

b92 stop laying!! Be the program that you once were!! Stop printing propaganda.
(femi, 12 July 2011 16:26)

If it were to stop printing its propaganda and reactionary mouthpieces, the pages would nearly be blank.

balkanico

pre 12 godina

Ultan wrote:

"The thousands of innocent Serbian men, women and children, who lost their lives at the hands of Naser Oric’s death squads, will be marked as always with quiet dignity. There will be no international representation"

Just for the record: there were a lot of internationals present in Bratunac too, who went there after going to Srebrenica the day before. This in stark contrast to the RS and Federation leadership.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

To bad if only war mongering Serbia did not launch the wars of aggression their would be tens of thousand alive today. The region would not be 20 + years behind and more animosity produced. Serbia is the culprit in all these evils. If Serbia did not attack and stir their proxys in the other republics what a different place ex Yugo would of been. Serbia did not attack Montenegro and stir up the Serb minority so their was no war their or misery or bloodshed yap its all Serbias fault the violent deranged aggressor for all the suffering ,destruction and all the deaths.

femi

pre 12 godina

Serb victims!!??
Its ridicules to write about Serb victims in Srebrenica when so many Bosnia’s’ bodies are buried nearby.
What a joke this is. It is appalling that b92 propaganda is little different from that of Milosevic’s TV station that nato bombed in 99.
Naser Oriq had an army of 100-200 soldiers armed with LLavaqka and Pushka from the second WW did perhaps some damage but from my own experiences with Kosovo if Serb media (B92) say 100 Serbs were killed that means one Serb really died.
Serbian propaganda increases by 100%. So if these Srebrenica victims were Serbs b92 and co Serb media would say 80 000 Serbs lie dead here. The news would be so big that even aliens would have heard serbs crying over and over again.
b92 lies in daily bases about Serb buses in Kosovo being attacked, Serbs being bitten and molested by KPS etc, while In Kosovo (where I live) there are Serbs everywhere and quite frankly there are Albanians and Serbs working even in building sites together believed or not.

b92 stop laying!! Be the program that you once were!! Stop printing propaganda.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Lenard

What do you hope to achieve by constantly going back in time and playing the blame game? The war of the 90s belongs to the past. MikeC very profound no not really. I hope to achieve people stop living in delusions and denial of justifying them selfs of what they did as good and rite of their self declared innocents. That people stop listening to Dodos like Dodik of the "Srpska entity" that is based on nothing but on fanatical murder, ethnic cleansing etc and all evils known to man. That true reconciliation starts before it is to late not based on self serving expediency and injustices of the so called leaders. You cover my sins and I will cover yours we will sweep them under the carpet and we will declare our selfs mutually good and self righteous. How long will the delusions last before we are back to war or our children. Before political opportunist check what are those lumps under the carpet and pull them out look what I found we have been wronged. Stirred up again the grievances by the so called leaders for their own short sighted self serving vile evil wickedness. A comprehensive peace deal that will last what we have now is a big sham that will get us nowhere good. Sham something that is not what it purports to be; a spurious imitation; fraud or hoax.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

If only the war mongering Croatians did not launch the Wars of Aggression, there would be tens of thousands more People alive today.

Any region is always more than 20 years behind Civilization, wherever the Ultra Nationalist Croatian are, because most Croatians identify their National Character as animosity for other Races, and that animosity produces the Desperate Need for certain types of Individuals to relentlessly Slander the Innocent Serbian People.

If Croatia did not attack and stir up their Proxies in the other Republics what a different place Yugoslavia would have been, because it would have existed.

Many Croats did not want Yugoslavia to exist, regardless of what happened to Yugoslavia or its People.

There could be some People who pretend to complain, but secretly they Gloat that they have their Country of Croatia.

It is all Croatia’s fault, because of the violent deranged aggressors caused all the suffering, destruction, all the deaths, and the continued Slander.

There could be some People who might consider not complaining too much, because some People might see their Con Act for what it is.

New Zealander

pre 12 godina

To bad if only war mongering Serbia did not launch the wars of aggression their would be tens of thousand alive today. The region would not be 20 + years behind and more animosity produced. Serbia is the culprit in all these evils. If Serbia did not attack and stir their proxys in the other republics what a different place ex Yugo would of been. Serbia did not attack Montenegro and stir up the Serb minority so their was no war their or misery or bloodshed yap its all Serbias fault the violent deranged aggressor for all the suffering ,destruction and all the deaths.
(Lenard, 12 July 2011, 10:39)

It wasnt 'All the Serbs fault' It was the fault of extremists and Ultranationalists like yourself that caused the suffering

Jim

pre 12 godina

If Serbia were a serious country and not a pathetic banana republic it would deal with a genocidal butcher like Oric using the Israeli Mossad recipe.

Ultan

pre 12 godina

The thousands of innocent Serbian men, women and children, who lost their lives at the hands of Naser Oric’s death squads, will be marked as always with quiet dignity. There will be no international representation; no global press coverage; no hysterical blubbering in front of the cameras; no cries of genocide (even though these were acts of genocide); and no apology whatsoever from Bosniak politicians. The victims’ relatives also have to contend with the reality that Oric has not served one single day of his inappropriately brief Hague sentence, but is now poncing around the Bosnian Federation like some sort of war hero/celebrity. Overall, there is simply no justice for the Serbian people, who have suffered just as much as any other ethnic group in the ex-Yu wars.

Dragan

pre 12 godina

'Over 1,300 Serbs were killed during the three years of clashes in the territory of the municipalities of Srebrenica, Zvornik, Milici, Bratunac, Vlasenica and Osmaci. In the region of Birče and the Drina River's mid-course, a total of 3,267 Serbs were killed, a majority of whom were civilians, women and children.'

Where are all the humanitarians? Where is the outrage Bob, Danilo, Roberta??? We are talking women and children here, butchered by a war criminal who was set free by your beloved kangaroo court. Oh, I forgot, you are too busy trying to justify the theft of sovereign Serbian soil and its handover to organ snatchers to care for Serbian civilians, or for truth, or for justice. Yes, very selective 'humanitarians' indeed.
RIP to all the victims.

Yet Another J S

pre 12 godina

This comment is an updated comment, and it tries to be a Diplomatic as possible, without having to start Lying, even though my comments are more Diplomatic than some that you allow to be published in this supposedly Wonderful Era of Democratic European Values.

It is impossible to have any Group of People agree on most things, and because of this, there will be a divergence of views most of the times.

I came to the opinion that Slobodan Milosevic was Innocent, after stumbling on a five part YouTube Documentary that is Titled; SHOCKING Slobodan Milosevic was INNOCENT, that is on the Internet.

Slobodan Milosevic was not allowed his own Lawyers, and the Corrupt and Bribed Judges would not allow him to ask Legitimate Questions, and when things did become embarrassing for the International Nazis, then they Censored the proceedings; and this just reinforces my belief that Slobodan Milosevic was Innocent.

People have the Right to their own opinions in a Proper Democracy, and they are also entitled to their opinions, even if they are wrong.

Too many People simply accept what their Media that has Vested Interests tells them, and therefore their opinions are not based on personal research, but are based on lies; either malicious lies, or unintentional lies.

Such a Scenario is unacceptable to the Proper Citizen, and to the Proper Human Being, even if only a few People have the Honestly, the Courage, and the Decency to understand this, and to inform others of this.

I never make up my mind on an accused Person; Unless, and Until I have heard from the accused Person, even if this means doing Sufficient Unbiased Reading on the Subject, and Watching Sufficient Unbiased Documentaries on the Internet.

I think that what the Overwhelming Majority of the Serbian People Want, and Should Demand, and what most of the Ethnic Groups want and Demand, is that there Must be a Fair, Balanced, and Honest Media presentation of the wars of the former Yugoslavia, that hears from all sides.

Srebrenica as terrible as it was; should not falsely be portrayed as genocide, because with the knowledge we have so far, we can only say that the best possible scenario is that it was a regrettable and unavoidable Act of Self Defence.

The Women and Children and Old Men were allowed to leave, and only the Soldiers, some of them Boy Soldiers who can kill you or your family and friends just as dead as an Adult soldier can, were not permitted to leave Srebrenica, because it was a War between two Armies.

The number of deaths in the Bosnian Civil War was approximately 100,000 with close to the same number of combatants and civilians who died in that Civil War, and we see why the Serbs wanted to Defend Themselves, their Families, and their Communities.

The Bosnian Civil War was a war between one group of Serbs who had the Croats as their ally, and another group of Serbs who had Radovan and General Ratko Mladic as their leaders, but only time will tell if these are Secret Muslim Janissaries.

What I never could understand about Karadzic and Mladic is that they could very easily have gone to a neighbouring Country, and taken some photos with his Mobile Phone to prove that he was not in Serbia, but he never did that for reason he knows best, and we can just guess at.

The number of Bosnian Muslims who died at Srebrenica has been exaggerated with a figure of 8,000, but others say that it was approximately 2,000, but unbiased figure would have helped years ago.

If the Serbian People apologize for Defending themselves, then they have given up their Right of Self Defence which is Legal under International Law.

There can be no genuine Reconciliation that is based on lies, and that is why America needs to tell the World that they are Filthy Liars, an instruct their Evil Media to begin telling the Truth, as Difficult as it is for these Criminals without a Conscience to do.

There cannot be any real security while any side believes any lies they have heard so often.

After Slobodan Milosevic was presented for Trial, then he was Presumed Innocent, and he was never convicted of anything, and therefore he is presumed Innocent till this day.

It looks like The Hague had to murder Slobodan Milosevic, because they knew that he was Innocent, and he was useful, because he was betrayed to Trial, and this very Act was all that the Media needed to Slander the Serbian People.

Any proper Serbian Government would Demand, Yes Demand, that the World stops Lying and begins telling the Truth that the Serbian People, including Slobodan Milosevic are the Most Innocent of all the Major Ethnic Groups of the former Yugoslavia.

If the World wants to know who Really is Innocent, then there is a Proven Method that Works Most of the Times.

This Proven Method involves listening to what America says, and then knowing that America will Most Certainly Lie, and therefore, those they Slanderously Accuse of being Guilty will More than Likely be Innocent.

As things stand at the moment, we do not know if General Ratko Mladic is a Secret Muslim Janissary, and so the Known Evidence says that Srebrenica was a regrettable and unavoidable Act of Self Defence.

If the Bosnian Muslims said that according to the Evidence thus far, it was regrettable but unavoidable that General Ratko Mladic had to kill these males fighters at Srebrenica, because it was a time of war, and an Act of Self Defence.

If this is the background to the Srebrenica memorials, then I think that the Serbian Government could send a representative of the Serbian People, because People need to fully understand that Lawlessness has its consequences, because you will reap what you sow.

I want to once again, say how sad I am that the Bosnian Serb Army needed to Defend themselves and their Communities, because some Residents of Srebrenica insisted on being a Danger to other People, and for no legitimate reason.

Unless Radovan Karadzic and General Ratko Mladic are found to be a Secret Muslim Janissaries at their Trials, then that is the way to view this unfortunate Act of Self Defence.

If Radovan Karadzic and General Ratko Mladic are found Guilty by the Corrupt Political Court in the Hague, then Many Serbs will believe that they are Innocent.

If we disagree, then we should Agree to disagree without becoming disagreeable, because that is how matters are Properly Debated in the Interests of the Community, including the Worldwide Community.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Lenard

What do you hope to acheive by constantly going back in time and playing the blame game? The war of the 90s belongs to the past. However, if you chose to go back in time then why stop 20 years ago. Go even further and you will see the dirty history of croats and muslims. But I guess that doesn't fit your agenda and your anti-serb propaganda.

roberto

pre 12 godina

b92 stop laying!! Be the program that you once were!! Stop printing propaganda.
(femi, 12 July 2011 16:26)

If it were to stop printing its propaganda and reactionary mouthpieces, the pages would nearly be blank.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

wow very brave fanatical islamic jihad forces killing anything serbian in their sight women children and elderly, very brave. Sarajevo today looks like saudi arabia. All ethnically cleansed of serbs. Why don't they do everyone a favour and move to saudi arabia? Who the hell wants to live with these fanatics?
(Ratko, 12 July 2011 20:07) The only ones ethnic cleansed Serbs in Sarajevo is Serbs them selfs and their criminal leadership http://www.nytimes.com/specials/bosnia/context/0223yugo-bosnia.html . It is unbelievable how the majority of Serbs have become self delusional. It's humorous reading Lenard's ongoing (repetitive) attempts to have Serbs feel guilty about themselves, and their country Republika Srpska. What a pathetic waste of time. I don't recall even a single Serb coming forward and agreeing with him.
(nick, 12 July 2011 22:01) You think it is funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxYdbGHzaTk&feature=related not any more.

Ratko

pre 12 godina

wow very brave fanatical islamic jihad forces killing anything serbian in their sight women children and elderly, very brave. Sarajevo today looks like saudi arabia. All ethnically cleansed of serbs. Why don't they do everyone a favour and move to saudi arabia? Who the hell wants to live with these fanatics?

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Lenard

Dodik is a recognized leader of the RS. Republika Srpska is also created in Dayton Ohio by the "big powers" including the US of A. The only way Bosnian serbs will avoid the same destiny as in Croatia and Kosovo is to run their own affairs in their own republic or country. If this is to much for you to swollow then that's to bad. However, I think serbs would rather satisfy their own needs rather then making a croat happy by giving up all their rights to self determination and freedom. If croats, muslims and albanains can have self determination, so can the serbs.

"It is often forgotten that by Bosnian Serb standards, Dodik is a moderate. It may be tough for international community negotiators to accept but Dodik represents the most liberal wing of mainstream Bosnian Serb political thinking."
http://liberty.snd-us.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45:republika-srpska-after-independence&catid=2:world-politics

nick

pre 12 godina

It's humorous reading Lenard's ongoing (repetitive) attempts to have Serbs feel guilty about themselves, and their country Republika Srpska. What a pathetic waste of time. I don't recall even a single Serb coming forward and agreeing with him.

nick

pre 12 godina

"If Serbia were a serious country and not a pathetic banana republic it would deal with a genocidal butcher like Oric using the Israeli Mossad recipe.
(Jim, 12 July 2011 14:40)"

It's amazing that you took the words right out of my mouth. A proud and fearsome country which once produced ruthlessly effective (but ironically conflicting) organizations such as the black hand, and UDBA, so that even Stalin knew when to fear and back off, has lost it mojo to a large degree. Time to get it back and extend Serbia's reach all around the world again, similar to the glory days when Croatian war criminals where exterminated in argentina, or wherever they were hiding like rats.

Goran.

pre 12 godina

You cover my sins and I will cover yours we will sweep them under the carpet and we will declare our selfs mutually good and self righteous. How long will the delusions last before we are back to war or our children.

Sham something that is not what it purports to be; a spurious imitation; fraud or hoax.


(Lenard, 12 July 2011 18:34)


Sorry Lenard - The Serbs don't go around slaughtering then run off to church to confession were some pedophiliac sod tells us all is forgiven. e.g. Ante Pavlic and The Ratlines during WWII.


So when you stop being biased and ever so patriotic - ask yourself how many Croats or Bosnians have stood trial for their known war crimes against Serbs. Now compare this to Serbs and the Hague - the truth may startle you, but then again from what your saying crimes against Serbs are the best thing out since sliced bread

Andy UK

pre 12 godina

Whenever there's an anniversary regarding the Bosnian war marked, I always wonder what would have happened if Izetbegovic hadn't pulled out of the Cutileiro agreement in March 1992.

Had that been signed, war might have been averted and the 3 nations of Bosnia getting a better set up than what they ended up with after 3 years of war and 200,000 deaths.

balkanico

pre 12 godina

Ultan wrote:

"The thousands of innocent Serbian men, women and children, who lost their lives at the hands of Naser Oric’s death squads, will be marked as always with quiet dignity. There will be no international representation"

Just for the record: there were a lot of internationals present in Bratunac too, who went there after going to Srebrenica the day before. This in stark contrast to the RS and Federation leadership.