LDP leader: Serbia should mark Srebrenica remembrance day

Bob,
Why don't you visit the Bratunac Memorial?
http://de-construct.net/?p=600
Do you even know what it is? Probably not, you've been brainwashed just like the masses. Let me give you a dose of truth, which you are in dire need of. The muslim terrorists commanded by Nasir Oric committed the most horrible crimes around Srebrenica, and they did not separate women and children, they killed and mutilated anything Serbian, including kids and the elderly. In fact, Oric was proud of his terrorism and bragged about it to a Canadian journalist.

http://www.zimbio.com/Boris+Tadic/articles/Cz3toqQK6bd/Archives+Forgotten+Story+Nasir+Oric+Greatest
And yes, your beloved politcal kangaroo court in the Hague, that show trial which you claim is legitimate, released Oric.
Spare us your one sided lectures and your selective justice Bob. We Serbs know the truth, no matter how many lies you splatter all over the media.
The truth is coming out thanks to good and decent people who are speaking up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy1JzwpJ9ec
If you want to enlighten yourself a bit, I suggest you listen to them, because we are not listening to you.
Cheers!

Mr.Jovanovic is obviously paid speaker for same groups in the west that did so much to ruin Serbia.We all know how many lies are perpertreted agains Serbia and Serbs.So last thing we need now is some hired gun from minor party preaching what to do.Serbs have not done anything in long history to appologize for.We didint go to Anadolija to fight Turks,or to Berlin to fight Germans,or Iraq all our wars were in backyard

Srebrenica will not be forgotten around the world. It is a sadness for Serbia that such things have been associated with its name.

However, there are those in Serbia who were aware at the time it happened and who protested against it.

I stood with the Women in Black when they protested in Republic Square.

I also saw the sneering nationalists who looked on.

Not all of Serbia approved the war or the killings. There were many I know who were disgusted at what was happening and who eternally regret those awful times and the selfishness of the policies that lead to it.

Srebrenica will never be forgotten by the world, and those in Serbia who try to defend what happened continue to remind the world of the kind of stinking nationalism that disregards the lives of others.

@ truthiness
The word is patriot, not 'nationalist' - which has a negative connotation in English media. Get it right buddy.

@ Danilo
Rather than me spelling out that in the villages around Srebrenica Nasir Oric's terrorists massacred 3,500 Serbian men, women, and children, and he was later released by that show trial at the Hague that pretends to be a court, and then later when the Serbs killed these terrorists who were hiding out in the UN 'Safe Zone', they accused the Serbs of 'genocide' - which is really a sick twisting of the truth. In fact it is lies and propoganda that even Josef Goebbels would be proud of. I suggest you read the following piece by Diana Johnstone to educate yourself. The truth will set you free.
http://www.counterpunch.org/johnstone10122005.html

Ceda Jovanovic is the local face of the NATO occupiers of Serbia, he has even less legitimacy than America's puppet in Afghanistan Hamid Karzai.

Normal and decent people in Serbia have always rejected Jovanovic's venemous politically charged anti Serbian rants. Unfortunately the media which is hostile to Serbs always gives this non entity a platform in a pathetic attempt to make him seem important.

No one takes any notice of Cedo. He runs a small and insignificant party that is trying to be everything to everyone. One day he wants to recognise Kosovo; two weeks later its no recognition and so it goes on.

Srebrenica is a fake as it was designed to force the Serbs to the negation table. Old Abdul Izetbegovic was in a proverbial pickle as he had lost something in the order of 90% of territory and he could not get the Serbs to surrender nor negotiate so out comes the so called Srebrenica genocide and the way you do that is place names of people still alive but not living in Bosnia, those killed in the Tuzla and Sarajevo offensive and there are even a few names that belong to the Croat activities in central Bosnia.

This guy, Jovanovic, has to be on the payroll of a Western government, with a very healthy Swiss bank account. I have never seen a politician in any country be so spineless and a colossal apologist with respect to his statements to a foreign audience. He would have his country get on its knees and beg for forgiveness, even though the ICJ held Serbia itself was not guilty of genocide, only the Bosnian Serbs. Again, he must be taking instructions from a foreign government; only then would his disgraceful behavior make sense.

Bob what is the purpose of an army? Bob what is the army suppose to do when terrorists are attacking civilians in that army's country?

(Danilo, 11 July 2011 11:20)
And therein lies the problem, Danilo.
They did NOT find 8000+ bodies...and the whole ''Serbs hid the mass graves'' is also a fake, since NATO satellites couldn't find them.

I think once people spread false rumours about a country you're in, and you see it as false, experience it as false, it becomes easier to detect bull elsewhere.

I am sceptical about everything the West says about Serbia, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Venezuela or Russia. Most of the time, I don't believe a lick of it.
And if they're overly loving or praising any country, you bet there's all sorts of 'sinister' thing going on there.

This guy is a fantastic person to be Serbian President. He is what Serbia needs. He knows the crimes the Serbian Government at the time committed in Kosovo and Bosnia and he wants Serbia to move forward with them and not be in denial. I think Serbs should look up to Cedomir because his principles are modern and right principals. From wanting to recognize Kosovo to wanting to mark Srebrenica Remembrance Day.

Good luck to the LDP in the 2012 elections

“Serbia lacks a way out of policy of denial, cynical counting and reduction of the number of victims and proportions of the crime in Srebrenica,” he added.

Cedi is one of the very few serbian politicians that will speak the truth about Srebrenica. god bless him, and all the thousands of vitims of the genocide.

The 600+ bodies buried every year for the past 10 years - all fake?

The mourning families - all paid actors?

10 000s of people in on the conspiracy?

Is this really the position you're trying to advance?
(Danilo, 11 July 2011 19:39)

I take it from this response that you think there were no Serb victims, only muslim victims in this civil war? In your mind only one side was shooting and nobody was firing back? Is this really the position you are trying to advance? There were approximately 60,000 muslim deaths and 30,000 Serbian deaths in Bosnia. It is a fact that foreign mujaheddin fighters were employed by the muslims and they beheaded Serbs. There is plenty of photographic evidence, just google it genius.
I have yet to see an intelligent response from you or Bob on the truth that I have sent you. You can't answer any of my questions simply because you both are deniers of the truth, and simply like to parrot the anti-Serb lies and propoganda that have been spewed by the ingorant media for years now. Here is a little more truth for you.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MAC404A.html
Cheers!

Dragan,

Bratunac was a Muslim village that was first ethnically cleansed by Serb forces of it's Muslim population before it was ethnically cleansed of it Serb population.

Why do people hold this up as an example?

If you want to enlighten yourself a bit, I suggest you listen to them, because we are not listening to you.
Cheers!
(Dragan, 10 July 2011 19:18)

I think the above pretty much exemplifies the typical backward nationalist (of any nationality).

They only listen to what they want to hear.

"Srebrenica is a fake"

What do you say to someone who says finding the bones of 8100+ people "fake"?

What do you say to someone who says identifying and naming 6000+ of these remains with DNA and putting names to the bones "fake"?

What do you say to someone who says evolution is "fake" and "god put the fossils there to test our faith"

Answer: nothing. ignore them. They are not part of the normal society.

(Danilo, 11 July 2011 11:20)

The Bosniaks want a genocide to hit the Serbs over the head, but they don’t understand what that word means. It means wiping out everyone, but if genocide did occur in Srebrenica then why did the Serbs let the women and children go? They arrive in Sarajevo on buses?????

Just because the Boaniaks brought over and buried bodies on land that is now part of their territory from the Tuzla and Sarajevo offensives does not mean that these soldiers were part of the Srebrenica garrison. Which family member would know where their sons or husbands were fighting in what area? Military secrecy always keeps this information from the public.

There are body found on the other side of Sarajevo that are counted as part of the “Srebrenica massacre”. In the last decade your media would go into the Srebrenica trance every time they found a grave – one of my favourite stories was when they opened up a mass grave several kilometres west of Konjic and the US media was showing this as more bodies from Srebrenica being uncovered, but they did not edit the road sign which clearly stated it was on the edge of Konjic. For those that don’t know, Serbs never held that area; it was Bosniaks and Croats.

There are plenty of other examples like that.

(Danilo, 11 July 2011 17:25)

Again with the ''whole world''. America and Europe are not the whole world.

So, here's my issue, Danilo -

In the WWII and the Sino-Japanese war, the Japanese committed atrocious crimes on men, women, children and the elderly in Harbin. They didn't just kill them, they tortured them, testing diseases on them.

People in Harbin died under the worst circumstances that no human being should suffer. They were't even allowed to be given pain killers to ease their pain in case it interfered with how the diseases behaved inside their bodies. 10 000 people died - overall on the hands of the Japanese more then 400 000 Chinese and Koreans died.

What did Americans do? Americans made a deal that stated that Japanese would not be tried for war crimes if the test findings are given/shared with the United States. To this day, Japanese have not apologized to China or the Chinese people for what they've done.
And in the end, even the Japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't spared the death showers US is so famous for.

Fast forward to today - We have a ''genocide'' show every year where an entire nation is made feel responsible and guilty for some imaginary 'genocide' that Americans and Europeans engineered for their own selfish interests.

How can the same United States talk of any justice?! They're not only perpetrators of numerous war crimes themselves, in those they weren't involved in, they were accomplices.

There is no way in hell I believe this genocide claims, nor do I for a second believe those who have been hunted and tried in Hague are there for ''justice'' or ''humanitarian reasons''. They're there because they stepped on American toes or dared rebel.

Sorry if my views offend you, but US and EU constantly fabricating and lying offends me as well.

What the Muslims are doing in reburying fallen soldiers who died throughout the entire war and claiming them as being killed during the Srebrenica fall. But in fact most of the army arrived intact to Muslim government controlled territory - some were put on other fronts and might have died in them during the last few months wrapping up the war.
Captured Muslim military records from Srebrenica have the names of their soldiers who died in 1992, 1993, etc. (and their missing from those times) who are listed as victims of the fall.

In addition Muslims from other towns around Srebrenica - including Zepa where they had another army base are listed as those who died from the fall.

About those coffins - well I wouldn't put it past them that some may even be empty. It seems very much for show.

Further it is known that thousands of Srebrenica missing men were on the OSCE list of Tuzla's voters in 1996. Also some were settled in Sarajevo.

There are many men who were settled in America. The father and uncles of the Utah mall shooter, Suleman Talovic (sp?), were all living in the U.S.
And it's known that there have been many who have returned to Srebrenica - including some accused of crimes against Serbs.

Then you have Naser Oric, the commander of Srebrenica, who is not dead, nor many other top brass such as he.

@Zhongguo ren

That's right. The bodies the ICMP has spent the last 10 years identifying through DNA is all a massive, expensive conspiracy to screw up the Serbs because...... uh..... um...... well, because they're just so awesome and the whole world is jealous and this is the only way they could be sullied.

something like that?

The 600+ bodies buried every year for the past 10 years - all fake?

The mourning families - all paid actors?

10 000s of people in on the conspiracy?

Is this really the position you're trying to advance?

(balkanico, 12 July 2011 17:03)

According to the definition of genocide under the UN convention the US fits it perfectly, but not Serb action during the war. In fact even the esteemed judicial figures worldwide do not see Srebrenica as genocide; in fact they would classify it as a crime at best. Didn’t a German judge come out and state this fact and the Bosniaks went ballistic demanding his resignation?

There is more than enough evidence to show that Izetbegovic needed a Srebrenica to force the Serbs to the negotiation table – think about it; he lost control over 85% of territory and no end in sight. Even the former Bosniak police chief in Srebrenica during the war confirmed that Alia wanted a genocide.

No, Dragan. That's (obviously) not the position I'm trying to advance. I was addressing the ridiculous "it's all fake" allegations that seem to have some traction here.

@ truthiness
The word is patriot, not 'nationalist' - which has a negative connotation in English media. Get it right buddy.

(Dragan, 11 July 2011 15:30)

My appologies - you are a typical 'patriot'. Thank you for correcting me.

sj wrote:
The Bosniaks want a genocide to hit the Serbs over the head, but they don’t understand what that word means. It means wiping out everyone, but if genocide did occur in Srebrenica then why did the Serbs let the women and children go? They arrive in Sarajevo on buses?????

What is blatantly obivuous is that you do not know what the definition of genocide is, well, look no further: http://www.preventgenocide.org/yu/pravo/konvencija.htm

Srebrenica will not be forgotten around the world. It is a sadness for Serbia that such things have been associated with its name.

However, there are those in Serbia who were aware at the time it happened and who protested against it.

I stood with the Women in Black when they protested in Republic Square.

I also saw the sneering nationalists who looked on.

Not all of Serbia approved the war or the killings. There were many I know who were disgusted at what was happening and who eternally regret those awful times and the selfishness of the policies that lead to it.

Srebrenica will never be forgotten by the world, and those in Serbia who try to defend what happened continue to remind the world of the kind of stinking nationalism that disregards the lives of others.

“Serbia lacks a way out of policy of denial, cynical counting and reduction of the number of victims and proportions of the crime in Srebrenica,” he added.

Cedi is one of the very few serbian politicians that will speak the truth about Srebrenica. god bless him, and all the thousands of vitims of the genocide.

This guy is a fantastic person to be Serbian President. He is what Serbia needs. He knows the crimes the Serbian Government at the time committed in Kosovo and Bosnia and he wants Serbia to move forward with them and not be in denial. I think Serbs should look up to Cedomir because his principles are modern and right principals. From wanting to recognize Kosovo to wanting to mark Srebrenica Remembrance Day.

Good luck to the LDP in the 2012 elections

"Srebrenica is a fake"

What do you say to someone who says finding the bones of 8100+ people "fake"?

What do you say to someone who says identifying and naming 6000+ of these remains with DNA and putting names to the bones "fake"?

What do you say to someone who says evolution is "fake" and "god put the fossils there to test our faith"

Answer: nothing. ignore them. They are not part of the normal society.

Dragan,

Bratunac was a Muslim village that was first ethnically cleansed by Serb forces of it's Muslim population before it was ethnically cleansed of it Serb population.

Why do people hold this up as an example?

Bob,
Why don't you visit the Bratunac Memorial?
http://de-construct.net/?p=600
Do you even know what it is? Probably not, you've been brainwashed just like the masses. Let me give you a dose of truth, which you are in dire need of. The muslim terrorists commanded by Nasir Oric committed the most horrible crimes around Srebrenica, and they did not separate women and children, they killed and mutilated anything Serbian, including kids and the elderly. In fact, Oric was proud of his terrorism and bragged about it to a Canadian journalist.

http://www.zimbio.com/Boris+Tadic/articles/Cz3toqQK6bd/Archives+Forgotten+Story+Nasir+Oric+Greatest
And yes, your beloved politcal kangaroo court in the Hague, that show trial which you claim is legitimate, released Oric.
Spare us your one sided lectures and your selective justice Bob. We Serbs know the truth, no matter how many lies you splatter all over the media.
The truth is coming out thanks to good and decent people who are speaking up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy1JzwpJ9ec
If you want to enlighten yourself a bit, I suggest you listen to them, because we are not listening to you.
Cheers!

Mr.Jovanovic is obviously paid speaker for same groups in the west that did so much to ruin Serbia.We all know how many lies are perpertreted agains Serbia and Serbs.So last thing we need now is some hired gun from minor party preaching what to do.Serbs have not done anything in long history to appologize for.We didint go to Anadolija to fight Turks,or to Berlin to fight Germans,or Iraq all our wars were in backyard

If you want to enlighten yourself a bit, I suggest you listen to them, because we are not listening to you.
Cheers!
(Dragan, 10 July 2011 19:18)

I think the above pretty much exemplifies the typical backward nationalist (of any nationality).

They only listen to what they want to hear.

No one takes any notice of Cedo. He runs a small and insignificant party that is trying to be everything to everyone. One day he wants to recognise Kosovo; two weeks later its no recognition and so it goes on.

Srebrenica is a fake as it was designed to force the Serbs to the negation table. Old Abdul Izetbegovic was in a proverbial pickle as he had lost something in the order of 90% of territory and he could not get the Serbs to surrender nor negotiate so out comes the so called Srebrenica genocide and the way you do that is place names of people still alive but not living in Bosnia, those killed in the Tuzla and Sarajevo offensive and there are even a few names that belong to the Croat activities in central Bosnia.

This guy, Jovanovic, has to be on the payroll of a Western government, with a very healthy Swiss bank account. I have never seen a politician in any country be so spineless and a colossal apologist with respect to his statements to a foreign audience. He would have his country get on its knees and beg for forgiveness, even though the ICJ held Serbia itself was not guilty of genocide, only the Bosnian Serbs. Again, he must be taking instructions from a foreign government; only then would his disgraceful behavior make sense.

@Zhongguo ren

That's right. The bodies the ICMP has spent the last 10 years identifying through DNA is all a massive, expensive conspiracy to screw up the Serbs because...... uh..... um...... well, because they're just so awesome and the whole world is jealous and this is the only way they could be sullied.

something like that?

The 600+ bodies buried every year for the past 10 years - all fake?

The mourning families - all paid actors?

10 000s of people in on the conspiracy?

Is this really the position you're trying to advance?

Ceda Jovanovic is the local face of the NATO occupiers of Serbia, he has even less legitimacy than America's puppet in Afghanistan Hamid Karzai.

Normal and decent people in Serbia have always rejected Jovanovic's venemous politically charged anti Serbian rants. Unfortunately the media which is hostile to Serbs always gives this non entity a platform in a pathetic attempt to make him seem important.

@ truthiness
The word is patriot, not 'nationalist' - which has a negative connotation in English media. Get it right buddy.

(Dragan, 11 July 2011 15:30)

My appologies - you are a typical 'patriot'. Thank you for correcting me.

No, Dragan. That's (obviously) not the position I'm trying to advance. I was addressing the ridiculous "it's all fake" allegations that seem to have some traction here.

(Danilo, 11 July 2011 11:20)
And therein lies the problem, Danilo.
They did NOT find 8000+ bodies...and the whole ''Serbs hid the mass graves'' is also a fake, since NATO satellites couldn't find them.

I think once people spread false rumours about a country you're in, and you see it as false, experience it as false, it becomes easier to detect bull elsewhere.

I am sceptical about everything the West says about Serbia, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Venezuela or Russia. Most of the time, I don't believe a lick of it.
And if they're overly loving or praising any country, you bet there's all sorts of 'sinister' thing going on there.

@ truthiness
The word is patriot, not 'nationalist' - which has a negative connotation in English media. Get it right buddy.

@ Danilo
Rather than me spelling out that in the villages around Srebrenica Nasir Oric's terrorists massacred 3,500 Serbian men, women, and children, and he was later released by that show trial at the Hague that pretends to be a court, and then later when the Serbs killed these terrorists who were hiding out in the UN 'Safe Zone', they accused the Serbs of 'genocide' - which is really a sick twisting of the truth. In fact it is lies and propoganda that even Josef Goebbels would be proud of. I suggest you read the following piece by Diana Johnstone to educate yourself. The truth will set you free.
http://www.counterpunch.org/johnstone10122005.html

Bob what is the purpose of an army? Bob what is the army suppose to do when terrorists are attacking civilians in that army's country?

The 600+ bodies buried every year for the past 10 years - all fake?

The mourning families - all paid actors?

10 000s of people in on the conspiracy?

Is this really the position you're trying to advance?
(Danilo, 11 July 2011 19:39)

I take it from this response that you think there were no Serb victims, only muslim victims in this civil war? In your mind only one side was shooting and nobody was firing back? Is this really the position you are trying to advance? There were approximately 60,000 muslim deaths and 30,000 Serbian deaths in Bosnia. It is a fact that foreign mujaheddin fighters were employed by the muslims and they beheaded Serbs. There is plenty of photographic evidence, just google it genius.
I have yet to see an intelligent response from you or Bob on the truth that I have sent you. You can't answer any of my questions simply because you both are deniers of the truth, and simply like to parrot the anti-Serb lies and propoganda that have been spewed by the ingorant media for years now. Here is a little more truth for you.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MAC404A.html
Cheers!

sj wrote:
The Bosniaks want a genocide to hit the Serbs over the head, but they don’t understand what that word means. It means wiping out everyone, but if genocide did occur in Srebrenica then why did the Serbs let the women and children go? They arrive in Sarajevo on buses?????

What is blatantly obivuous is that you do not know what the definition of genocide is, well, look no further: http://www.preventgenocide.org/yu/pravo/konvencija.htm

What the Muslims are doing in reburying fallen soldiers who died throughout the entire war and claiming them as being killed during the Srebrenica fall. But in fact most of the army arrived intact to Muslim government controlled territory - some were put on other fronts and might have died in them during the last few months wrapping up the war.
Captured Muslim military records from Srebrenica have the names of their soldiers who died in 1992, 1993, etc. (and their missing from those times) who are listed as victims of the fall.

In addition Muslims from other towns around Srebrenica - including Zepa where they had another army base are listed as those who died from the fall.

About those coffins - well I wouldn't put it past them that some may even be empty. It seems very much for show.

Further it is known that thousands of Srebrenica missing men were on the OSCE list of Tuzla's voters in 1996. Also some were settled in Sarajevo.

There are many men who were settled in America. The father and uncles of the Utah mall shooter, Suleman Talovic (sp?), were all living in the U.S.
And it's known that there have been many who have returned to Srebrenica - including some accused of crimes against Serbs.

Then you have Naser Oric, the commander of Srebrenica, who is not dead, nor many other top brass such as he.

(Danilo, 11 July 2011 11:20)

The Bosniaks want a genocide to hit the Serbs over the head, but they don’t understand what that word means. It means wiping out everyone, but if genocide did occur in Srebrenica then why did the Serbs let the women and children go? They arrive in Sarajevo on buses?????

Just because the Boaniaks brought over and buried bodies on land that is now part of their territory from the Tuzla and Sarajevo offensives does not mean that these soldiers were part of the Srebrenica garrison. Which family member would know where their sons or husbands were fighting in what area? Military secrecy always keeps this information from the public.

There are body found on the other side of Sarajevo that are counted as part of the “Srebrenica massacre”. In the last decade your media would go into the Srebrenica trance every time they found a grave – one of my favourite stories was when they opened up a mass grave several kilometres west of Konjic and the US media was showing this as more bodies from Srebrenica being uncovered, but they did not edit the road sign which clearly stated it was on the edge of Konjic. For those that don’t know, Serbs never held that area; it was Bosniaks and Croats.

There are plenty of other examples like that.

(Danilo, 11 July 2011 17:25)

Again with the ''whole world''. America and Europe are not the whole world.

So, here's my issue, Danilo -

In the WWII and the Sino-Japanese war, the Japanese committed atrocious crimes on men, women, children and the elderly in Harbin. They didn't just kill them, they tortured them, testing diseases on them.

People in Harbin died under the worst circumstances that no human being should suffer. They were't even allowed to be given pain killers to ease their pain in case it interfered with how the diseases behaved inside their bodies. 10 000 people died - overall on the hands of the Japanese more then 400 000 Chinese and Koreans died.

What did Americans do? Americans made a deal that stated that Japanese would not be tried for war crimes if the test findings are given/shared with the United States. To this day, Japanese have not apologized to China or the Chinese people for what they've done.
And in the end, even the Japanese civilians in Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't spared the death showers US is so famous for.

Fast forward to today - We have a ''genocide'' show every year where an entire nation is made feel responsible and guilty for some imaginary 'genocide' that Americans and Europeans engineered for their own selfish interests.

How can the same United States talk of any justice?! They're not only perpetrators of numerous war crimes themselves, in those they weren't involved in, they were accomplices.

There is no way in hell I believe this genocide claims, nor do I for a second believe those who have been hunted and tried in Hague are there for ''justice'' or ''humanitarian reasons''. They're there because they stepped on American toes or dared rebel.

Sorry if my views offend you, but US and EU constantly fabricating and lying offends me as well.

(balkanico, 12 July 2011 17:03)

According to the definition of genocide under the UN convention the US fits it perfectly, but not Serb action during the war. In fact even the esteemed judicial figures worldwide do not see Srebrenica as genocide; in fact they would classify it as a crime at best. Didn’t a German judge come out and state this fact and the Bosniaks went ballistic demanding his resignation?

There is more than enough evidence to show that Izetbegovic needed a Srebrenica to force the Serbs to the negotiation table – think about it; he lost control over 85% of territory and no end in sight. Even the former Bosniak police chief in Srebrenica during the war confirmed that Alia wanted a genocide.