Kosovo, Albania may form “economic union”

Which economy in Kosovo is he referring to? The drug business, with an estimated of 25% of the GDP? The scrap metal exports? Or harvesting, maybe? I heard Thaci and his buddies are envolved in this kind of business ;-)

It's time for UNION, one Nation one State!!

What kind of economic partnership will they have and what will be their trade? Yound women and children ([link]), drugs, stolen cars and weapons.
(MikeC, 9 July 2011 16:04)

I do not think they have in mind this kind of economy where you Serbian are not doing less than Albanians.
What they have in mind is to do that kind of economy that Serbian government is trying to stop Kosovas government.
What they are saying is that they can do business in there own interest without Serbian interference and interests. You like it or not free economy is an independence.
By the way you can show as much as you like that how much racist you are against Albanians that will not change anything from who we are in the world ayes, that will only tell them that there was a good reason why you were bombed on 1999.

Don't you need an economy to form an economic union? What kind of economic partnership will they have and what will be their trade? Yound women and children (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUvOjnwE-Q), drugs, stolen cars and weapons. Looks like we have a new economic superpower in the making. The only thing they will trade are donkeys and bananas.

1 failed economy + 1 failed economy = economic black hole :D

read their "bible" the Ahtisaari provisions.
(lowe, 9 July 2011 16:02)

Ahtisaris plan also said that Kosova cannot be part of Serbia. So, on your comment you left the best part out.
@MikeC,
If it makes you happy,you forgot organ trade. hahahahaha

What economy? Work on keeping the electricity on for a day at a time.

Excellent idea. Serbia can profit from this too.

I don't get it. Albania wants Kosovo's economy? They want to import drugs, young women and harvested organs?

Disgusting, this is the union you Albs want?

S.m.h.

Hopefully this is just the begining.

"Ahtisaris plan also said that Kosova cannot be part of Serbia. So, on your comment you left the best part out.
@MikeC,
If it makes you happy,you forgot organ trade. hahahahaha
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 July 2011 18:49)"

No, on the ocntrary that was NOT the best part! The best part was that Serbia rejected Ahtisaari's plan whereas Pristina agreed to it -- and you guys now dare to go back on your word???? Gosh, your Yankee and EU masters will be so, so, so cross with you!!!!

“Come visit Albania, your car is already here" :)
I'm sure someone will benefit from such a union, especially Police agencies from many countries, since keeping all the thieves in one corral may help their investigation

More like a union of black market economies. Such as human trafficking organ harvesting a KLA past time of Drug trafficking and stolen auto's such as the Mercedes. A favorite of Albanian taste. Ask Beckham where they found his. Oh and I almost forgot stolen presidential watches. Hahaha!!!

"It's time for UNION, one Nation one State!!
(aLBsoUL, 9 July 2011 15:36)"

Too bad the West would not allow this -- read their "bible" the Ahtisaari provisions.

Kosovos accession to Albania is approaching.

Arn.Sweden.

I believe to form an "economic union" you must first have an economy.

Is CEFTA not good enough for them?

I don't think any Albanian is asking for a blessing from Serbia on this matter.

Serbian people should thank B92 for making this news available to them.

As you already know by 2014 Albania will move up and will have better economy than Serbia, so I urge Kosova to form this economic union with Albania ASAP. Did you know that in the first 6 months of this year 1.3 million tourists have visited Albania?. Tourism is exploding in Albania.

i wasnt expecting any good comments from our Serbian "Friends". The good nes is that we are use to all this love, so no problem.

It's time for UNION, one Nation one State!!
(aLBsoUL, 9 July 2011 15:36)
==========================

You are going to be the best advocate for RS and other parts of ex Yu to join Serbia. Who would've thought that an Albanian is a cheer leader for unified Serbia.

Well, as Kosovo is still a Serbian province ruled by UN as per 1244 the UN should approve this.
My guess is the UN will not OK this....

talking about bad economies of kosova and Albania. I suggest you for use on Greece Spain instead. Kosova and Albania will create a union and not have to deal with the BS that serbia is trying to do. All goods can be purchased and sold via a unified Albanian zone with no issues at all. People want to live in freedom.

I do however not agree with some of the Muslims brainwashed by Arab states. Praying in streets of Prishtina and Tirana. We are not Arabs we are europeans. Time to behave as such and get rid of the Islamic cancer from Arab worlds. Islam is fine but not the one imposed by Arab counties that have not even recognized Kosova. Time for Albanians to convert

"Why not ? If the parties involved all agree not to follow the Antisaari plan, it is a done deal. Serbia, for it's part, has denounced it. If Kosovo does the same, all parties (Serbia and Kosovo) will be happy that they finally agreed about something (i.e. to reject the Antissari plan) and Kosovo will be free to form a union with Albania.
(icj1, 10 July 2011 06:09) "


Strange question that you are asking me ..... not that I'm the least surprised by now. Who approved, in fact I would even say insisted on the Ahtisaari provisions as the basis for "Kosova"? It was the West. And so they would not allow a political union between Pristina and Tirana as that would be contrary to Ahtisaari's terms -- which was my point if you would care to read my post a bit more conscientiously.

Personally I have always thought it wiser for Pristina to tear up the Ahtisaari nonsense and negotiate a partition deal with Serbia. Maybe north Kosovo and Strpce in return for Belgrade's full recognition, the Albanian parts of Presevo and union with Albania. Pristina then would no longer need the West's "protection". Too bad Pristina and Tirana decided to play good-2-shoes to the dictates of the West instead. And so allowed the West to do what I think they always enjoyed doing -- fish in other people's troubled waters.

read their "bible" the Ahtisaari provisions.
(lowe, 9 July 2011 16:02)

True...but we can also amend our constitution or better yet write a brand new one. This is one of the key advantages of being a sovereign state...something you and Serbia wouldn't know about.


Thanks,

"True...but we can also amend our constitution or better yet write a brand new one. This is one of the key advantages of being a sovereign state...something you and Serbia wouldn't know about.

Thanks,
(KOSO, 9 July 2011 19:57) "


A truly sovereign state should not require others to keep protecting her (Nato, KFOR) ..... nor require humongous amounts of financial aid from others .... you may see "Kosova" as independent ..... I would certainly beg to differ.

In fact, as you correctly stated -- a sovereign state can change its constitution -- and I dare "Kosova" to go ahead and amend its constitution and merge with Albania! I'm sure the West will be down upon you guys like a ton of bricks in an instant! So, as you can see, you unwittingly just supported my point -- "Kosova" can even change its own constitution without bringing damning repercussions to itself from your foreign masters! So how truly sovereign are you?????

digital stupidity. since we all know that there is already CEFTA in place, this is more kind of an attempt to caress the albanian soul, in order to make them feel comfortable - and we all know that is strongly needed in southern Serbia, since they are totally depending on foreign help...

what I liked the most, was that naive one " Kosovo and Albania Union approaching " ... wow, only one of that kind of "news-articles" and our dear k-albanian friends are going frenzy... =)

if this is the level of the Albanians we are dealing with, serbian triumph will come quicker and easier than expected.

thanks for entertaining us, my dear k-albanian friends.

"As you already know by 2014 Albania will move up and will have better economy than Serbia, so I urge Kosova to form this economic union with Albania ASAP."
(Nelli_Canada, 10 July 2011 13:55)

You mean higher growth rates? Correct! They are needed, sure, since Albania in far behind Serbian economy and, as far as I know, is the state with the lowest GDP in whole Europe (Kosovo not included, since it's not a state). Some years with 3-5% growth could bring Albania closer to the European average in 25 years or so.

Wow an economic block based on trading of goats and donkeys. This will be a world first.
Now for the more serious stuff – the west will never allow this to happen and for the not so bright, the same west will burn Albanian and Kosovo to the ground rather than allow such a union. The west is in fear of Bosnia breaking up and creating a small Islamic state in Europe let alone creating a large Islamic entity such as the union of Kosovo and Albania.

The Kalbs are delusional. They have lied so much about everything they can't separate fact from fiction. They actually think Albania and Kosovo together will be a good thing. What a joke. How many .+kosovars wrer killed before and during the war. A couple of hundred! And they call that this great suffering. what a joke.

"We are not Arabs we are europeans. Time to behave as such and get rid of the Islamic cancer from Arab worlds. "
(Mark Toma, 9 July 2011 22:41)

I agree, behaving like Europeans would be a huge progress for people in Kosovo - not only regarding religious extremism, but regarding democratic, legal and humanitarian standards, too. Kosovo belongs to Europe, but not in its current form as a mafia state headed by corrupt criminals.

Too bad the West would not allow this -- read their "bible" the Ahtisaari provisions.
(lowe, 9 July 2011 16:02)

Why not ? If the parties involved all agree not to follow the Antisaari plan, it is a done deal. Serbia, for it's part, has denounced it. If Kosovo does the same, all parties (Serbia and Kosovo) will be happy that they finally agreed about something (i.e. to reject the Antissari plan) and Kosovo will be free to form a union with Albania.

You mean higher growth rates? Correct! They are needed, sure, since Albania in far behind Serbian economy and, as far as I know, is the state with the lowest GDP in whole Europe (Kosovo not included, since it's not a state). Some years with 3-5% growth could bring Albania closer to the European average in 25 years or so.
(Analyst, 10 July 2011 16:13)


31 Slovenia 28,030
48 Croatia 17,684

74 Serbia 10,830
75 Montenegro 10,742
82 Macedonia 9,728
92 Bosnia 7,782
95 Albania 7,453
103 Kosovo 6,594


131 Moldova 3,083



According to this data it looks like much of the block from Yugoslavia has relatively the same economic output apart from Slovenia and Croatia. This shows how much Serbia is behind. It looks like Moldova is the least developed country in Europe.



Thanks,

so they would not allow a political union between Pristina and Tirana as that would be contrary to Ahtisaari's terms -- which was my point if you would care to read my post a bit more conscientiously.
(lowe, 10 July 2011 12:04)

But if Pristina and Belgrade both agree to disregard the Antisaari plan (Belgrade has done so already) then the Union is possible. Unless, of course, your point is that, even if Pristina and Belgrade agree about something, West will tell them not to agree ?

"But if Pristina and Belgrade both agree to disregard the Antisaari plan (Belgrade has done so already) then the Union is possible. Unless, of course, your point is that, even if Pristina and Belgrade agree about something, West will tell them not to agree ?
(icj1, 10 July 2011 18:48)"

My point was to tell the first poster on this thread that a political union between Pristina and Tirana would be contrary to the Ahtisaari provisions which the West supported. Do you find such a simple thing so difficult to understand?

"These statistics are so far out of date they are ridiculous. They are from the late 1990s early 2000; well before the GFC brought a lot of this BS crashing down to earth. "t.
(sj, 11 July 2011 01:47)
Ehm? 1990s? And they are including Kosovo on 103? Sure, sure. Should be easy to find GDP statistics from 2010, Wikipedia is your friend. It won't change the simple fact that Slovenia and Croatia are doing better than Serbia, and that Albania is on the lower end in the European ranking, with only Moldova behind it. It's an open secret that even during the YU times, Slovenia was the most developed part with the highest productivity per capita.

To: (sjsj, 11 July 2011 13:46)

I don't know what you do for a living or who hired you for it, but it doesn't look like you are good at it. The economic statistics provided were very close to current. Here is the 2010 data and the link from the CIA Fatcbook:

50 Slovenia 28,200
67 Croatia 17,400
102 Serbia 10,900
109 Montenegro 10,100
112 Macedonia 9,700
124 Albania 8,000
135 Kosovo 6,600
177 Moldova 2,500

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/rawdata_2004.txt

Not a bad position for Albania compared to Serbia and other Balkan countries, considering the huge disadvantage Albania had coming out of communism in the early 90's. I'm sure Kosova will be soon on its way as well. We all know we are still way behind the rest of Europe, but I cannot not accept any "our economy is better than yours" comments from a Serb, when it shows you are not doing much better. Settle down and get to work, and stop spreading racist lies and hate on these forums. It is that kind of attitude that keeps you from becoming Europeans. You have a long way to go, just as we do, my fellow Balkanac.

My point was to tell the first poster on this thread that a political union between Pristina and Tirana would be contrary to the Ahtisaari provisions which the West supported. Do you find such a simple thing so difficult to understand?
(lowe, 11 July 2011 04:35)

Well, we agree on that. But your point was more than that... You said "West will not allow this" and that's not true because if Serbia and Kosovo agree about something that just concerns them, there is nothing for the West to allow or disallow

31 Slovenia 28,030
48 Croatia 17,684

74 Serbia 10,830
75 Montenegro 10,742
82 Macedonia 9,728
92 Bosnia 7,782
95 Albania 7,453
103 Kosovo 6,594


131 Moldova 3,083



According to this data it looks like much of the block from Yugoslavia has relatively the same economic output apart from Slovenia and Croatia. This shows how much Serbia is behind. It looks like Moldova is the least developed country in Europe.



Thanks,
(KOSO, 10 July 2011 16:48)

These statistics are so far out of date they are ridiculous. They are from the late 1990s early 2000; well before the GFC brought a lot of this BS crashing down to earth.

These marvellous levels of growth are ALL based on real estate; selling of apartments to foreigners. Today, the vast majority of Montenegro’s population lives on or below the poverty line with real unemployment running at 80%.

Now onto Croatia and Slovenia – both have been told to massively reduce government expenditure. In fact Croatia has been told to devalue the Kuna and reduce the cost of labour to, and get this, the same level as Serbia. Wow from a roster to a feather duster in a decade.

For those are still cant follow what I’m saying – the EU cannot support them any longer so they have to reduce their living standards drastically otherwise no one will invest.

(Analyst, 11 July 2011 11:08)

The part where BS begins to smell badly is when you look up these statistics and you see the US has an economy in 2011 still at 14 trillion dollars. Now remember that we have had a GFC and the vast majority of countries have not emerged from that economic catastrophe and that includes the US, but we still have a 14 trillion dollar economy – mind you everyone else has lost out, but not the US or any of it friends.
I work in the industry and see these figures on a daily basis and follow the trends carefully because it is my livelihood. The vast majority of contributors here do use Wikipedia; I don’t because I don’t have to.
I have told you about Slovenia and Croatia so now you keep your eyes open and you will see in a month or two that I am right. The EU propped both up and the cash has run out so it’s a downhill slid in the fast lane for both.
Slovenia did live well in the old Yugo because they would get produce for a pittance from Serbia and other states then process it and sell overseas and they were allowed to keep some of the proceeds and that’s how Slovenia lived well. Look at the same place in about May 2012 and tell me I’m wrong.
Unfortunately all of the information disseminated in the western countries is crap to keep up the spirits – look at how difficult it is the US to admit it’s in a depression; they call it the Great Recession.

Tirons, 11 July 2011 20:57)

Wow why didn’t think of looking up the CIA world book. Gee thanks for letting me know; why I’ll let my work colleagues know about this little hidden treasure. If you look at the US part it shows that it has a $14.66 trillion (2010 est.) economy. Now this is after GFC when the US government had to buy out all the banks and car industry and after the housing market fell through the proverbial floor.

All this when you still have close to 10% unemployment. Here is some advice from someone that works in the fiancé industry – don’t rely on the CIA worldbook for your money advice; you’ll go broke.

Look like Italy is next on the “roll over and go bankrupt” stakes – bet you this is not in the CIA website.

"Well, we agree on that. But your point was more than that... You said "West will not allow this" and that's not true because if Serbia and Kosovo agree about something that just concerns them, there is nothing for the West to allow or disallow
(icj1, 12 July 2011 05:41)"

How many times do you expect me to repeat to you what is so patently clear? The West won't allow a political merger because that will contravene the Ahtisaari provisions that the West themselves wanted as the settlement for Kosovo's status. You conveniently forget that there are not just 2 parties (Belgrade and Pristina) in Ahtisaari's case. The West is definitely a very interested 3rd party. And don't forget the West is, as I see it, the one ultimately controlling Kosovo now under Ahtisaari's so called "supervised independence", backed by KFOR, EULEX and the financial and other aids which Kosovo depends on. You do know the meaning of "supervised" right?

Here is some advice from someone that works in the fiancé industry
(sj, 12 July 2011 06:10)

Ah, in the "fiancé industry"... now I understand where all your posts come from :)

Which economy in Kosovo is he referring to? The drug business, with an estimated of 25% of the GDP? The scrap metal exports? Or harvesting, maybe? I heard Thaci and his buddies are envolved in this kind of business ;-)

Don't you need an economy to form an economic union? What kind of economic partnership will they have and what will be their trade? Yound women and children (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkUvOjnwE-Q), drugs, stolen cars and weapons. Looks like we have a new economic superpower in the making. The only thing they will trade are donkeys and bananas.

It's time for UNION, one Nation one State!!

"It's time for UNION, one Nation one State!!
(aLBsoUL, 9 July 2011 15:36)"

Too bad the West would not allow this -- read their "bible" the Ahtisaari provisions.

What economy? Work on keeping the electricity on for a day at a time.

1 failed economy + 1 failed economy = economic black hole :D

I don't get it. Albania wants Kosovo's economy? They want to import drugs, young women and harvested organs?

Disgusting, this is the union you Albs want?

S.m.h.

Excellent idea. Serbia can profit from this too.

What kind of economic partnership will they have and what will be their trade? Yound women and children ([link]), drugs, stolen cars and weapons.
(MikeC, 9 July 2011 16:04)

I do not think they have in mind this kind of economy where you Serbian are not doing less than Albanians.
What they have in mind is to do that kind of economy that Serbian government is trying to stop Kosovas government.
What they are saying is that they can do business in there own interest without Serbian interference and interests. You like it or not free economy is an independence.
By the way you can show as much as you like that how much racist you are against Albanians that will not change anything from who we are in the world ayes, that will only tell them that there was a good reason why you were bombed on 1999.

read their "bible" the Ahtisaari provisions.
(lowe, 9 July 2011 16:02)

Ahtisaris plan also said that Kosova cannot be part of Serbia. So, on your comment you left the best part out.
@MikeC,
If it makes you happy,you forgot organ trade. hahahahaha

“Come visit Albania, your car is already here" :)
I'm sure someone will benefit from such a union, especially Police agencies from many countries, since keeping all the thieves in one corral may help their investigation

read their "bible" the Ahtisaari provisions.
(lowe, 9 July 2011 16:02)

True...but we can also amend our constitution or better yet write a brand new one. This is one of the key advantages of being a sovereign state...something you and Serbia wouldn't know about.


Thanks,

More like a union of black market economies. Such as human trafficking organ harvesting a KLA past time of Drug trafficking and stolen auto's such as the Mercedes. A favorite of Albanian taste. Ask Beckham where they found his. Oh and I almost forgot stolen presidential watches. Hahaha!!!

Hopefully this is just the begining.

digital stupidity. since we all know that there is already CEFTA in place, this is more kind of an attempt to caress the albanian soul, in order to make them feel comfortable - and we all know that is strongly needed in southern Serbia, since they are totally depending on foreign help...

what I liked the most, was that naive one " Kosovo and Albania Union approaching " ... wow, only one of that kind of "news-articles" and our dear k-albanian friends are going frenzy... =)

if this is the level of the Albanians we are dealing with, serbian triumph will come quicker and easier than expected.

thanks for entertaining us, my dear k-albanian friends.

Well, as Kosovo is still a Serbian province ruled by UN as per 1244 the UN should approve this.
My guess is the UN will not OK this....

Is CEFTA not good enough for them?

Kosovos accession to Albania is approaching.

Arn.Sweden.

"Ahtisaris plan also said that Kosova cannot be part of Serbia. So, on your comment you left the best part out.
@MikeC,
If it makes you happy,you forgot organ trade. hahahahaha
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 July 2011 18:49)"

No, on the ocntrary that was NOT the best part! The best part was that Serbia rejected Ahtisaari's plan whereas Pristina agreed to it -- and you guys now dare to go back on your word???? Gosh, your Yankee and EU masters will be so, so, so cross with you!!!!

Wow an economic block based on trading of goats and donkeys. This will be a world first.
Now for the more serious stuff – the west will never allow this to happen and for the not so bright, the same west will burn Albanian and Kosovo to the ground rather than allow such a union. The west is in fear of Bosnia breaking up and creating a small Islamic state in Europe let alone creating a large Islamic entity such as the union of Kosovo and Albania.

The Kalbs are delusional. They have lied so much about everything they can't separate fact from fiction. They actually think Albania and Kosovo together will be a good thing. What a joke. How many .+kosovars wrer killed before and during the war. A couple of hundred! And they call that this great suffering. what a joke.

It's time for UNION, one Nation one State!!
(aLBsoUL, 9 July 2011 15:36)
==========================

You are going to be the best advocate for RS and other parts of ex Yu to join Serbia. Who would've thought that an Albanian is a cheer leader for unified Serbia.

"We are not Arabs we are europeans. Time to behave as such and get rid of the Islamic cancer from Arab worlds. "
(Mark Toma, 9 July 2011 22:41)

I agree, behaving like Europeans would be a huge progress for people in Kosovo - not only regarding religious extremism, but regarding democratic, legal and humanitarian standards, too. Kosovo belongs to Europe, but not in its current form as a mafia state headed by corrupt criminals.

"As you already know by 2014 Albania will move up and will have better economy than Serbia, so I urge Kosova to form this economic union with Albania ASAP."
(Nelli_Canada, 10 July 2011 13:55)

You mean higher growth rates? Correct! They are needed, sure, since Albania in far behind Serbian economy and, as far as I know, is the state with the lowest GDP in whole Europe (Kosovo not included, since it's not a state). Some years with 3-5% growth could bring Albania closer to the European average in 25 years or so.

"True...but we can also amend our constitution or better yet write a brand new one. This is one of the key advantages of being a sovereign state...something you and Serbia wouldn't know about.

Thanks,
(KOSO, 9 July 2011 19:57) "


A truly sovereign state should not require others to keep protecting her (Nato, KFOR) ..... nor require humongous amounts of financial aid from others .... you may see "Kosova" as independent ..... I would certainly beg to differ.

In fact, as you correctly stated -- a sovereign state can change its constitution -- and I dare "Kosova" to go ahead and amend its constitution and merge with Albania! I'm sure the West will be down upon you guys like a ton of bricks in an instant! So, as you can see, you unwittingly just supported my point -- "Kosova" can even change its own constitution without bringing damning repercussions to itself from your foreign masters! So how truly sovereign are you?????

You mean higher growth rates? Correct! They are needed, sure, since Albania in far behind Serbian economy and, as far as I know, is the state with the lowest GDP in whole Europe (Kosovo not included, since it's not a state). Some years with 3-5% growth could bring Albania closer to the European average in 25 years or so.
(Analyst, 10 July 2011 16:13)


31 Slovenia 28,030
48 Croatia 17,684

74 Serbia 10,830
75 Montenegro 10,742
82 Macedonia 9,728
92 Bosnia 7,782
95 Albania 7,453
103 Kosovo 6,594


131 Moldova 3,083



According to this data it looks like much of the block from Yugoslavia has relatively the same economic output apart from Slovenia and Croatia. This shows how much Serbia is behind. It looks like Moldova is the least developed country in Europe.



Thanks,

I believe to form an "economic union" you must first have an economy.

"Why not ? If the parties involved all agree not to follow the Antisaari plan, it is a done deal. Serbia, for it's part, has denounced it. If Kosovo does the same, all parties (Serbia and Kosovo) will be happy that they finally agreed about something (i.e. to reject the Antissari plan) and Kosovo will be free to form a union with Albania.
(icj1, 10 July 2011 06:09) "


Strange question that you are asking me ..... not that I'm the least surprised by now. Who approved, in fact I would even say insisted on the Ahtisaari provisions as the basis for "Kosova"? It was the West. And so they would not allow a political union between Pristina and Tirana as that would be contrary to Ahtisaari's terms -- which was my point if you would care to read my post a bit more conscientiously.

Personally I have always thought it wiser for Pristina to tear up the Ahtisaari nonsense and negotiate a partition deal with Serbia. Maybe north Kosovo and Strpce in return for Belgrade's full recognition, the Albanian parts of Presevo and union with Albania. Pristina then would no longer need the West's "protection". Too bad Pristina and Tirana decided to play good-2-shoes to the dictates of the West instead. And so allowed the West to do what I think they always enjoyed doing -- fish in other people's troubled waters.

As you already know by 2014 Albania will move up and will have better economy than Serbia, so I urge Kosova to form this economic union with Albania ASAP. Did you know that in the first 6 months of this year 1.3 million tourists have visited Albania?. Tourism is exploding in Albania.

talking about bad economies of kosova and Albania. I suggest you for use on Greece Spain instead. Kosova and Albania will create a union and not have to deal with the BS that serbia is trying to do. All goods can be purchased and sold via a unified Albanian zone with no issues at all. People want to live in freedom.

I do however not agree with some of the Muslims brainwashed by Arab states. Praying in streets of Prishtina and Tirana. We are not Arabs we are europeans. Time to behave as such and get rid of the Islamic cancer from Arab worlds. Islam is fine but not the one imposed by Arab counties that have not even recognized Kosova. Time for Albanians to convert

I don't think any Albanian is asking for a blessing from Serbia on this matter.

Serbian people should thank B92 for making this news available to them.

Too bad the West would not allow this -- read their "bible" the Ahtisaari provisions.
(lowe, 9 July 2011 16:02)

Why not ? If the parties involved all agree not to follow the Antisaari plan, it is a done deal. Serbia, for it's part, has denounced it. If Kosovo does the same, all parties (Serbia and Kosovo) will be happy that they finally agreed about something (i.e. to reject the Antissari plan) and Kosovo will be free to form a union with Albania.

"But if Pristina and Belgrade both agree to disregard the Antisaari plan (Belgrade has done so already) then the Union is possible. Unless, of course, your point is that, even if Pristina and Belgrade agree about something, West will tell them not to agree ?
(icj1, 10 July 2011 18:48)"

My point was to tell the first poster on this thread that a political union between Pristina and Tirana would be contrary to the Ahtisaari provisions which the West supported. Do you find such a simple thing so difficult to understand?

i wasnt expecting any good comments from our Serbian "Friends". The good nes is that we are use to all this love, so no problem.

31 Slovenia 28,030
48 Croatia 17,684

74 Serbia 10,830
75 Montenegro 10,742
82 Macedonia 9,728
92 Bosnia 7,782
95 Albania 7,453
103 Kosovo 6,594


131 Moldova 3,083



According to this data it looks like much of the block from Yugoslavia has relatively the same economic output apart from Slovenia and Croatia. This shows how much Serbia is behind. It looks like Moldova is the least developed country in Europe.



Thanks,
(KOSO, 10 July 2011 16:48)

These statistics are so far out of date they are ridiculous. They are from the late 1990s early 2000; well before the GFC brought a lot of this BS crashing down to earth.

These marvellous levels of growth are ALL based on real estate; selling of apartments to foreigners. Today, the vast majority of Montenegro’s population lives on or below the poverty line with real unemployment running at 80%.

Now onto Croatia and Slovenia – both have been told to massively reduce government expenditure. In fact Croatia has been told to devalue the Kuna and reduce the cost of labour to, and get this, the same level as Serbia. Wow from a roster to a feather duster in a decade.

For those are still cant follow what I’m saying – the EU cannot support them any longer so they have to reduce their living standards drastically otherwise no one will invest.

To: (sjsj, 11 July 2011 13:46)

I don't know what you do for a living or who hired you for it, but it doesn't look like you are good at it. The economic statistics provided were very close to current. Here is the 2010 data and the link from the CIA Fatcbook:

50 Slovenia 28,200
67 Croatia 17,400
102 Serbia 10,900
109 Montenegro 10,100
112 Macedonia 9,700
124 Albania 8,000
135 Kosovo 6,600
177 Moldova 2,500

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/rawdata_2004.txt

Not a bad position for Albania compared to Serbia and other Balkan countries, considering the huge disadvantage Albania had coming out of communism in the early 90's. I'm sure Kosova will be soon on its way as well. We all know we are still way behind the rest of Europe, but I cannot not accept any "our economy is better than yours" comments from a Serb, when it shows you are not doing much better. Settle down and get to work, and stop spreading racist lies and hate on these forums. It is that kind of attitude that keeps you from becoming Europeans. You have a long way to go, just as we do, my fellow Balkanac.

so they would not allow a political union between Pristina and Tirana as that would be contrary to Ahtisaari's terms -- which was my point if you would care to read my post a bit more conscientiously.
(lowe, 10 July 2011 12:04)

But if Pristina and Belgrade both agree to disregard the Antisaari plan (Belgrade has done so already) then the Union is possible. Unless, of course, your point is that, even if Pristina and Belgrade agree about something, West will tell them not to agree ?

(Analyst, 11 July 2011 11:08)

The part where BS begins to smell badly is when you look up these statistics and you see the US has an economy in 2011 still at 14 trillion dollars. Now remember that we have had a GFC and the vast majority of countries have not emerged from that economic catastrophe and that includes the US, but we still have a 14 trillion dollar economy – mind you everyone else has lost out, but not the US or any of it friends.
I work in the industry and see these figures on a daily basis and follow the trends carefully because it is my livelihood. The vast majority of contributors here do use Wikipedia; I don’t because I don’t have to.
I have told you about Slovenia and Croatia so now you keep your eyes open and you will see in a month or two that I am right. The EU propped both up and the cash has run out so it’s a downhill slid in the fast lane for both.
Slovenia did live well in the old Yugo because they would get produce for a pittance from Serbia and other states then process it and sell overseas and they were allowed to keep some of the proceeds and that’s how Slovenia lived well. Look at the same place in about May 2012 and tell me I’m wrong.
Unfortunately all of the information disseminated in the western countries is crap to keep up the spirits – look at how difficult it is the US to admit it’s in a depression; they call it the Great Recession.

"These statistics are so far out of date they are ridiculous. They are from the late 1990s early 2000; well before the GFC brought a lot of this BS crashing down to earth. "t.
(sj, 11 July 2011 01:47)
Ehm? 1990s? And they are including Kosovo on 103? Sure, sure. Should be easy to find GDP statistics from 2010, Wikipedia is your friend. It won't change the simple fact that Slovenia and Croatia are doing better than Serbia, and that Albania is on the lower end in the European ranking, with only Moldova behind it. It's an open secret that even during the YU times, Slovenia was the most developed part with the highest productivity per capita.

My point was to tell the first poster on this thread that a political union between Pristina and Tirana would be contrary to the Ahtisaari provisions which the West supported. Do you find such a simple thing so difficult to understand?
(lowe, 11 July 2011 04:35)

Well, we agree on that. But your point was more than that... You said "West will not allow this" and that's not true because if Serbia and Kosovo agree about something that just concerns them, there is nothing for the West to allow or disallow

Tirons, 11 July 2011 20:57)

Wow why didn’t think of looking up the CIA world book. Gee thanks for letting me know; why I’ll let my work colleagues know about this little hidden treasure. If you look at the US part it shows that it has a $14.66 trillion (2010 est.) economy. Now this is after GFC when the US government had to buy out all the banks and car industry and after the housing market fell through the proverbial floor.

All this when you still have close to 10% unemployment. Here is some advice from someone that works in the fiancé industry – don’t rely on the CIA worldbook for your money advice; you’ll go broke.

Look like Italy is next on the “roll over and go bankrupt” stakes – bet you this is not in the CIA website.

Here is some advice from someone that works in the fiancé industry
(sj, 12 July 2011 06:10)

Ah, in the "fiancé industry"... now I understand where all your posts come from :)

"Well, we agree on that. But your point was more than that... You said "West will not allow this" and that's not true because if Serbia and Kosovo agree about something that just concerns them, there is nothing for the West to allow or disallow
(icj1, 12 July 2011 05:41)"

How many times do you expect me to repeat to you what is so patently clear? The West won't allow a political merger because that will contravene the Ahtisaari provisions that the West themselves wanted as the settlement for Kosovo's status. You conveniently forget that there are not just 2 parties (Belgrade and Pristina) in Ahtisaari's case. The West is definitely a very interested 3rd party. And don't forget the West is, as I see it, the one ultimately controlling Kosovo now under Ahtisaari's so called "supervised independence", backed by KFOR, EULEX and the financial and other aids which Kosovo depends on. You do know the meaning of "supervised" right?