South Sudan celebrates Independence Day

"Will Serbia recognise them?
(Stefan, 9 July 2011 15:22)"

I don't see why not. Khartoum agreed back in 2005 to let the south hold a referendum on independence. And is now respecting the consequence of that agreement.

Will Serbia recognise them?
(Stefan, 9 July 2011 15:22)

I think south Sudan will be recognized by more contries within a week than Kosovo within all the years until now.

"Because unlike Serbia Sudan doesn't live in a state of denial. War is over and time to move forward has come for them, they see that, so should Serbia."
(ivan, 9 July 2011 17:33)

More like: Because, unlike Kosovo, South Sudan wasn't created by an UDI, violating territorial integrity of another country, but by a peaceful split and a mutual agreement.

"You don't seem to happy why Khartoum respecting the will of Southe Sudanise people? Wonder why? By the way, you serbs claim that referendum can not be held only in Kosova but both(KS&Serbia), which was after the CDI(Coordinated Declaration of Independence)and now is to late for that.Even today if UN had asked for a referendum to be held in Kosova, do you huys know the results???
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 July 2011 18:43) "

Where did I wrote that I "don't seem to (sic) happy" about south Sudan's independence? I would thank you to stop putting words into my mouth -- and I wonder why you do this. Most probably mischief, even more likely so presumptuousness.

The same applies to your so limited world view that I'm Serb simply because I'm on Serbia's side where "Kosova" is concerend.

In case you must know, I have nothing against south Sudan's independence since the former mother country Sudan (Khartoum) explicitly agreed to the referendum back in 2005.

I'm sure you also know the outcome of any referendums in north Kosovo and Strpce too, right? You don't dwell on these -- now I wonder why!

Will Serbia recognise them?

I'm very happy for South Sudan for that glorious day. Congratulations and good luck for the future.

I think south Sudan will be recognized by more contries within a week than Kosovo within all the years until now.
(Analyst, 9 July 2011 16:00)

Because unlike Serbia Sudan doesn't live in a state of denial. War is over and time to move forward has come for them, they see that, so should Serbia.

Of course Serbia will recognise South Sudan. It has been accepted by Sudan. Russia, China, Spain and Romania (spot the significance) have also already recognised it. There is absolutely nothing problematic here. The only precedent here is one of negotiations and a real peace deal resulting in a consensual split after a period where South Sudan accepted autonomy. This was enough to allow the nort to accept the will of the people. This is exactly what Tadic offered Kosovo (albeit with a long time frame), but this was not good enough. Instead the Kosovo Albanian threatened violence to get their own way, and none of the key western states had the guts to them them to behave and work out a real agreement with Belgrade. As a result, the KAs took unilateral action and are now paying the price. It may have seemed great at the time that Ahtisaari completely ignored Serbia in the status talks, but now Kosovo is paying the price. South Sudan looks likely to be a member of the UN by the end of next week and will be a fully recognised state. Meanwhile Kosovo languishes with no prospect of membership, relying on Britain and the US to beg whatever countries they can to recognise it. All rather pathetic really. Still, maybe this will persuade some in Pristina that maybe the time has come to do a deal with Serbia. But I am not counting on it. Sadly, I can't see this happening. I guess they would prefer to live in denial.

In any case, many congratulations to the Republic of South Sudan. Good luck!

I don't see why not. Khartoum agreed back in 2005 to let the south hold a referendum on independence. And is now respecting the consequence of that agreement.
(lowe, 9 July 2011 15:57)
You don't seem to happy why Khartoum respecting the will of Southe Sudanise people? Wonder why? By the way, you serbs claim that referendum can not be held only in Kosova but both(KS&Serbia), which was after the CDI(Coordinated Declaration of Independence)and now is to late for that.Even today if UN had asked for a referendum to be held in Kosova, do you huys know the results???

the UN Security Council voted to establish a new peacekeeping force for the oil-producing but underdeveloped south. Croatian armed forces are their Khartoums Islamic murdering ,raping ,ethnic cleansing Fascist's have been put in their http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyg-lqH7YdM&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL http://www.vidoevo.com/yvideo.php?i=RU0zNVRtcWuRpUWlRYzg&hrvatska-vojska-u-mirovnim-misijama . Congratulations in your freedom from slavery to wicked Islam.

More like: Because, unlike Kosovo, South Sudan wasn't created by an UDI, violating territorial integrity of another country, but by a peaceful split and a mutual agreement.
(Analyst, 9 July 2011 20:48)

Exactly, right on the spot. That is why Kosovo never ever will be an own country. 100 %.

Nelli - and that is precisely why Kosovo is in the current mess. You had to have what you want when you wanted it. You couldn't wait a while longer and create the conditions for a peaceful split from Serbia in a way that would have satisfied both sides. The result? South Sudan, which was willing to reach a proper accommodation with Khartoum, is on the way to UN membership and full international recognition as an independent state and Kosovo isn't. Really, I find it stunning that so many Kosovo Albanians are incapable of seeing this even now. You can take as hard a line as you like, but all it will do is keep Kosovo in its present state of limbo that much longer. But I guess that as you appear to live in Canada you don't really care that much as you don't have to suffer the consequences.

Of course Serbia will recognize South-Sudan, while one more country will NOT recognize Kosovo. South Sudan will also become member of the UN and other international Organizations within few days, making oncemore clear Kosovo has the same range of statehood as Abkhazia and South-Ossetia. Independence is nothing worth just by declaring independence..

(Jim, 10 July 2011 11:50)


Kosova declaired her independence in 2008 that is 9 years after the war.

South Sidan waited for same time more or less.

The difference is that:

- Serbia has Russian 100% backing- a UNSC permanent member with VETO power

while

- Sudan has no backing of any imoportant nation moreover with VETO power in UNSC.

We waited and negotiated for over 9 years. More than enought for civilized people. It is obvious that we were and are not negotiating with such people.

Serbia should recognize south sudan because there was an agreement of both parties (Khartoum and SPLA).have anyone noticed that south sudan already recognized by 41 states in just two days in comparison to this so called independent kosovo which has 76 in 3 years now. kosovo will never be a state and will always be a Serbian Province.

"No Albanian will ever discuss the independence of Kosova. Whether you like it or not the world is being reconfigured(that includes creating new countries) in case you didn't know."
(Nelli_Canada, 10 July 2011 10:48)

In the nowaday's world, countries are not created by wars or unilatateral moves. If it happens, then it ends up like Kosovo, or Abchasia, as a self-proclaimed 'country' which is not recognized by the majority of other countries, which is n a limbo state. Albanians in Kosovo are probably happy with this status, I even think it's better for Thaci and his mates that Kosovo is NOT becoming a real country - simply because real countries (in Europe at least) have different standards of democracy and statehood (without election fakes, without corrupt and criminal political elite...)

Btw: Unlike some Albanians who obviously still live in times of ancient clan structure and clan boss loyalty which supersedes democracy, I'm living in this century.

"I am not putimg words in your mouth, but instead you should read what you wrotte.
The word" consequence", it tells me that you are not happy.
(Agim Kelmendi, 10 July 2011 07:24)"

Then I would suggest that you change your dictionary or fire your English 101 professor. I'm not aware that "consequence" has negative connotations. It is a term that broadly means "outcome" or "results" which could be positive or negative.

More like: Because, unlike Kosovo, South Sudan wasn't created by an UDI, violating territorial integrity of another country, but by a peaceful split and a mutual agreement.
(Analyst, 9 July 2011 20:48)



I'm trying to figure out what kind of analyst you are and what century you're living!. No Albanian will ever discuss the independence of Kosova. Whether you like it or not the world is being reconfigured(that includes creating new countries) in case you didn't know.

"You don't seem to happy why Khartoum respecting the will of Southe Sudanise people? Wonder why? By the way, you serbs claim that referendum can not be held only in Kosova but both(KS&Serbia), which was after the CDI(Coordinated Declaration of Independence)and now is to late for that.Even today if UN had asked for a referendum to be held in Kosova, do you huys know the results???
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 July 2011 18:43) "

Where did I wrote that I "don't seem to (sic) happy" about south Sudan's independence? I would thank you to stop putting words into my mouth -- and I wonder why you do this. Most probably mischief, even more likely so presumptuousness.

The same applies to your so limited world view that I'm Serb simply because I'm on Serbia's side where "Kosova" is concerend.

In case you must know, I have nothing against south Sudan's independence since the former mother country Sudan (Khartoum) explicitly agreed to the referendum back in 2005.

I'm sure you also know the outcome of any referendums in north Kosovo and Strpce too, right? You don't dwell on these -- now I wonder why!

This country is oil-rich but is one of the poorest and least-developed on Earth.

Watch the foreign embassies spring up over night.

There is going to be a lot of handshaking, smiles and greedy deals made and probably not negotiated in their best interests.

We want your oil.

Ben - Your comment makes no sense at all. Really, you just don't get it, do you? South Sudan has been recognised by all 5 permanent members of the Security Council because there was a peace process that they could all agree on, and the results of that process were accepted by the Sudanese Government. This actually goes to prove that if Kosovo wants independence then it should have sought to achieve it in a way that all the members of the Security Council would agree on. As noted before, Tadic offered you a way to get this with a long period of autonomy within Serbia, but instead of negotiating this Kosovo Albanians threatened violence and decide to go their own way without even trying to engage with Belgrade. In reply, Russia (and China) objected, as it has every right to do under the UN Charter. Now you are in the mess that you are in, while South Sudan is already recognised by over 50 states and will join the UN in the next week or so. What is so hard to understand? The world has no problem with new states if they are formed with the consent of the parent state. You chose to ignore this - albeit naively believing that the United States would be able to make everything OK - and now have to accept the consequences.

Or maybe you do understand, but just can't bring yourself to admit that Pristina made an almighty mistake by pursuing independence in the way that it did. It could have been so different. Indeed, I think that it could still be different if some people in Pristina would wake up to the situation and decide to pursue a proper negotiated deal with Belgrade. But, like your fellow expat Nelli, you won't accept that. Better to let Kosovo suffer while you sit in North America.

And is now respecting the consequence of that agreement.
(lowe, 9 July 2011 15:57)

I am not putimg words in your mouth, but instead you should read what you wrotte.
The word" consequence", it tells me that you are not happy.

(Jim, 10 July 2011 23:57)

Jim you lake some basic information.

Kosova negotiated and could have negotiated for centuries with Serbia without any result as Serbia knows that has 100% backing of the Russia even in her most maximalist demands.

As a matter a fact during the negotiations Serbia changed unilateraly her constitution by declaring Kosova as her integral part and assigning to her less authonomy of what she had before 1989. All this without any consultation with Kosova or intr. communty. The max of an arrogance you could get.

Up to today Serbia's position about future status of Kosova is "in accordance with the Serbian constitution" adopted unilateraly in middle of negotiations somewhere in 2006.

Do you think there is space there to continua with negotiation with such ppl??

It was the inter community that had enough of Serbia and gaved her OK to Kosova to declair her independence. If it was for Kosova it would have declaired her inpdendence in 1999 not 2008.

Do you get it now??

I think south Sudan will be recognized by more contries within a week than Kosovo within all the years until now.
(Analyst, 9 July 2011 16:00)

Because unlike Serbia Sudan doesn't live in a state of denial. War is over and time to move forward has come for them, they see that, so should Serbia.

I don't see why not. Khartoum agreed back in 2005 to let the south hold a referendum on independence. And is now respecting the consequence of that agreement.
(lowe, 9 July 2011 15:57)
You don't seem to happy why Khartoum respecting the will of Southe Sudanise people? Wonder why? By the way, you serbs claim that referendum can not be held only in Kosova but both(KS&Serbia), which was after the CDI(Coordinated Declaration of Independence)and now is to late for that.Even today if UN had asked for a referendum to be held in Kosova, do you huys know the results???

"Because unlike Serbia Sudan doesn't live in a state of denial. War is over and time to move forward has come for them, they see that, so should Serbia."
(ivan, 9 July 2011 17:33)

More like: Because, unlike Kosovo, South Sudan wasn't created by an UDI, violating territorial integrity of another country, but by a peaceful split and a mutual agreement.

"You don't seem to happy why Khartoum respecting the will of Southe Sudanise people? Wonder why? By the way, you serbs claim that referendum can not be held only in Kosova but both(KS&Serbia), which was after the CDI(Coordinated Declaration of Independence)and now is to late for that.Even today if UN had asked for a referendum to be held in Kosova, do you huys know the results???
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 July 2011 18:43) "

Where did I wrote that I "don't seem to (sic) happy" about south Sudan's independence? I would thank you to stop putting words into my mouth -- and I wonder why you do this. Most probably mischief, even more likely so presumptuousness.

The same applies to your so limited world view that I'm Serb simply because I'm on Serbia's side where "Kosova" is concerend.

In case you must know, I have nothing against south Sudan's independence since the former mother country Sudan (Khartoum) explicitly agreed to the referendum back in 2005.

I'm sure you also know the outcome of any referendums in north Kosovo and Strpce too, right? You don't dwell on these -- now I wonder why!

Will Serbia recognise them?
(Stefan, 9 July 2011 15:22)

I think south Sudan will be recognized by more contries within a week than Kosovo within all the years until now.

Of course Serbia will recognise South Sudan. It has been accepted by Sudan. Russia, China, Spain and Romania (spot the significance) have also already recognised it. There is absolutely nothing problematic here. The only precedent here is one of negotiations and a real peace deal resulting in a consensual split after a period where South Sudan accepted autonomy. This was enough to allow the nort to accept the will of the people. This is exactly what Tadic offered Kosovo (albeit with a long time frame), but this was not good enough. Instead the Kosovo Albanian threatened violence to get their own way, and none of the key western states had the guts to them them to behave and work out a real agreement with Belgrade. As a result, the KAs took unilateral action and are now paying the price. It may have seemed great at the time that Ahtisaari completely ignored Serbia in the status talks, but now Kosovo is paying the price. South Sudan looks likely to be a member of the UN by the end of next week and will be a fully recognised state. Meanwhile Kosovo languishes with no prospect of membership, relying on Britain and the US to beg whatever countries they can to recognise it. All rather pathetic really. Still, maybe this will persuade some in Pristina that maybe the time has come to do a deal with Serbia. But I am not counting on it. Sadly, I can't see this happening. I guess they would prefer to live in denial.

In any case, many congratulations to the Republic of South Sudan. Good luck!

the UN Security Council voted to establish a new peacekeeping force for the oil-producing but underdeveloped south. Croatian armed forces are their Khartoums Islamic murdering ,raping ,ethnic cleansing Fascist's have been put in their http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vyg-lqH7YdM&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL http://www.vidoevo.com/yvideo.php?i=RU0zNVRtcWuRpUWlRYzg&hrvatska-vojska-u-mirovnim-misijama . Congratulations in your freedom from slavery to wicked Islam.

More like: Because, unlike Kosovo, South Sudan wasn't created by an UDI, violating territorial integrity of another country, but by a peaceful split and a mutual agreement.
(Analyst, 9 July 2011 20:48)



I'm trying to figure out what kind of analyst you are and what century you're living!. No Albanian will ever discuss the independence of Kosova. Whether you like it or not the world is being reconfigured(that includes creating new countries) in case you didn't know.

I'm very happy for South Sudan for that glorious day. Congratulations and good luck for the future.

Will Serbia recognise them?

"Will Serbia recognise them?
(Stefan, 9 July 2011 15:22)"

I don't see why not. Khartoum agreed back in 2005 to let the south hold a referendum on independence. And is now respecting the consequence of that agreement.

"No Albanian will ever discuss the independence of Kosova. Whether you like it or not the world is being reconfigured(that includes creating new countries) in case you didn't know."
(Nelli_Canada, 10 July 2011 10:48)

In the nowaday's world, countries are not created by wars or unilatateral moves. If it happens, then it ends up like Kosovo, or Abchasia, as a self-proclaimed 'country' which is not recognized by the majority of other countries, which is n a limbo state. Albanians in Kosovo are probably happy with this status, I even think it's better for Thaci and his mates that Kosovo is NOT becoming a real country - simply because real countries (in Europe at least) have different standards of democracy and statehood (without election fakes, without corrupt and criminal political elite...)

Btw: Unlike some Albanians who obviously still live in times of ancient clan structure and clan boss loyalty which supersedes democracy, I'm living in this century.

And is now respecting the consequence of that agreement.
(lowe, 9 July 2011 15:57)

I am not putimg words in your mouth, but instead you should read what you wrotte.
The word" consequence", it tells me that you are not happy.

Serbia should recognize south sudan because there was an agreement of both parties (Khartoum and SPLA).have anyone noticed that south sudan already recognized by 41 states in just two days in comparison to this so called independent kosovo which has 76 in 3 years now. kosovo will never be a state and will always be a Serbian Province.

Of course Serbia will recognize South-Sudan, while one more country will NOT recognize Kosovo. South Sudan will also become member of the UN and other international Organizations within few days, making oncemore clear Kosovo has the same range of statehood as Abkhazia and South-Ossetia. Independence is nothing worth just by declaring independence..

(Jim, 10 July 2011 11:50)


Kosova declaired her independence in 2008 that is 9 years after the war.

South Sidan waited for same time more or less.

The difference is that:

- Serbia has Russian 100% backing- a UNSC permanent member with VETO power

while

- Sudan has no backing of any imoportant nation moreover with VETO power in UNSC.

We waited and negotiated for over 9 years. More than enought for civilized people. It is obvious that we were and are not negotiating with such people.

"You don't seem to happy why Khartoum respecting the will of Southe Sudanise people? Wonder why? By the way, you serbs claim that referendum can not be held only in Kosova but both(KS&Serbia), which was after the CDI(Coordinated Declaration of Independence)and now is to late for that.Even today if UN had asked for a referendum to be held in Kosova, do you huys know the results???
(Agim Kelmendi, 9 July 2011 18:43) "

Where did I wrote that I "don't seem to (sic) happy" about south Sudan's independence? I would thank you to stop putting words into my mouth -- and I wonder why you do this. Most probably mischief, even more likely so presumptuousness.

The same applies to your so limited world view that I'm Serb simply because I'm on Serbia's side where "Kosova" is concerend.

In case you must know, I have nothing against south Sudan's independence since the former mother country Sudan (Khartoum) explicitly agreed to the referendum back in 2005.

I'm sure you also know the outcome of any referendums in north Kosovo and Strpce too, right? You don't dwell on these -- now I wonder why!

(Jim, 10 July 2011 23:57)

Jim you lake some basic information.

Kosova negotiated and could have negotiated for centuries with Serbia without any result as Serbia knows that has 100% backing of the Russia even in her most maximalist demands.

As a matter a fact during the negotiations Serbia changed unilateraly her constitution by declaring Kosova as her integral part and assigning to her less authonomy of what she had before 1989. All this without any consultation with Kosova or intr. communty. The max of an arrogance you could get.

Up to today Serbia's position about future status of Kosova is "in accordance with the Serbian constitution" adopted unilateraly in middle of negotiations somewhere in 2006.

Do you think there is space there to continua with negotiation with such ppl??

It was the inter community that had enough of Serbia and gaved her OK to Kosova to declair her independence. If it was for Kosova it would have declaired her inpdendence in 1999 not 2008.

Do you get it now??

More like: Because, unlike Kosovo, South Sudan wasn't created by an UDI, violating territorial integrity of another country, but by a peaceful split and a mutual agreement.
(Analyst, 9 July 2011 20:48)

Exactly, right on the spot. That is why Kosovo never ever will be an own country. 100 %.

This country is oil-rich but is one of the poorest and least-developed on Earth.

Watch the foreign embassies spring up over night.

There is going to be a lot of handshaking, smiles and greedy deals made and probably not negotiated in their best interests.

We want your oil.

Nelli - and that is precisely why Kosovo is in the current mess. You had to have what you want when you wanted it. You couldn't wait a while longer and create the conditions for a peaceful split from Serbia in a way that would have satisfied both sides. The result? South Sudan, which was willing to reach a proper accommodation with Khartoum, is on the way to UN membership and full international recognition as an independent state and Kosovo isn't. Really, I find it stunning that so many Kosovo Albanians are incapable of seeing this even now. You can take as hard a line as you like, but all it will do is keep Kosovo in its present state of limbo that much longer. But I guess that as you appear to live in Canada you don't really care that much as you don't have to suffer the consequences.

"I am not putimg words in your mouth, but instead you should read what you wrotte.
The word" consequence", it tells me that you are not happy.
(Agim Kelmendi, 10 July 2011 07:24)"

Then I would suggest that you change your dictionary or fire your English 101 professor. I'm not aware that "consequence" has negative connotations. It is a term that broadly means "outcome" or "results" which could be positive or negative.

Ben - Your comment makes no sense at all. Really, you just don't get it, do you? South Sudan has been recognised by all 5 permanent members of the Security Council because there was a peace process that they could all agree on, and the results of that process were accepted by the Sudanese Government. This actually goes to prove that if Kosovo wants independence then it should have sought to achieve it in a way that all the members of the Security Council would agree on. As noted before, Tadic offered you a way to get this with a long period of autonomy within Serbia, but instead of negotiating this Kosovo Albanians threatened violence and decide to go their own way without even trying to engage with Belgrade. In reply, Russia (and China) objected, as it has every right to do under the UN Charter. Now you are in the mess that you are in, while South Sudan is already recognised by over 50 states and will join the UN in the next week or so. What is so hard to understand? The world has no problem with new states if they are formed with the consent of the parent state. You chose to ignore this - albeit naively believing that the United States would be able to make everything OK - and now have to accept the consequences.

Or maybe you do understand, but just can't bring yourself to admit that Pristina made an almighty mistake by pursuing independence in the way that it did. It could have been so different. Indeed, I think that it could still be different if some people in Pristina would wake up to the situation and decide to pursue a proper negotiated deal with Belgrade. But, like your fellow expat Nelli, you won't accept that. Better to let Kosovo suffer while you sit in North America.