Court: Holland responsible for deaths of 3 Muslim men

Zoran you simply never rest, do you? All so black and white for you. The West this, NATO that. Everyone's fault but Serbs'...

OK, we have here Oric in Srebrenica but what about everything else happening on Balkans?! Was Sarajevo shelling OK by your standards? If you were head of Romanija Corps would you be able to sleep at night after blowing people of Sarajevo (including Serbs) to smithereens?!

And you blame West for starting wars? Come on! You honestly believe Milosevic and Tudjman didn't have plan from 1990 - 1991? What regard did Milosevic have for us? I became broke as a result his policies! He stole from me and millions others to fund his wicked policies! You, druge, listen too much to RTS in those days.

Brother Serbs -- please, ignore this "Zoran"!

The only one who's responisble for the deaths is Mladic and the murderers he ordered.
(Analyst, 5 July 2011 16:11) Also the thousands of Serb Criminal rebels who obeyed the criminal orders with unbounded sadistic murder of civilians. The Dutch tried to defend Srebrenica but were thoriated by Serbia and the criminal Rebel Serbs of Bosnia. The Dutch tried to bring in Leopard Tanks in to Srebrenica with Serbia prior "approval". Then Serbia started to blackmail the Dutch saying their roads will be damaged by the tanks they need millions in compensation the Dutch paid it. Then Serbia said we need more millions before they are allowed to continue on to Srebrenica Bosnia. The Dutch finally realized the Serbia is playing them for fools now the Dutch are playing hard ball with the Serbs and Serbia. If the Dutch Leopard tanks where in Srebrenica before the genocide by the Serbs like they were suppose to be the criminal cowardly rebel Serbs would of chickened out only good at murdering unarmed civilians. The Dutch should take Srpska entity aka Greater Serbia Belgrade to court so they finally get justice for all their war criminality.

Giving these 3 innocent workers to Serbian crocodiles/monsters is crime that needs to be severely punished. Dutch government should pay a hard price, where instead of hiding them filled the mouths of Serbian mega-criminals with the blood of innocents.

The landmark ruling could open the path to other compensation claims by victims who claim their male relatives should have been protected by the Dutch UN peacekeepers in charge of the UN safe zone, the AP reported.
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Yes, the Dutch have a large responsibility to face here. They were sheltering war criminals like Oric in the prior months, allowing him to massacre Serbians in villages surrounding Srebrenica (generally on religious days like Christmas) when the whole town should have been demilitarised.

You see, the town was surrendered to the RS army but the West intervened promising to demilitarise Srebrenica but failed and allowed the attacks from within to continue. They share a large responsibility for the mess they created in BiH. They started the war, prolonged the war and in the end, their Muslim clients ended up with less than was negotiated with Serbians prior to the conflict.

They can spend billions on a phoney court with phoney judgements but the truth is out there.

"The Dutch government, which has faced several lawsuits in recent years over Srebrenica, has always insisted that its troops were abandoned by the United Nations, which provided them no air support."

Which was the case, together with the non sufficient UN mandate. The Dutch soldiers have been there as peacekeepers, without any allowance to fight except for self defense. They were even taken as hostages by Mladic's troops (in violation of UN rules), one of the things he's accused of in The Hague, currently. The only one who's responisble for the deaths is Mladic and the murderers he ordered.

@Zoran

Your problem - you don't explain the "other" (Serbian) side! You twist the tale! You drone on about Oric and ICTY but you never explain why on God's earth America, Britain, France, Germany needed Jugoslav disintegration! This is classic case of shifting all responsibility onto other side. Were crimes committed against us? Of course! But look how many crimes we committed!

Balkan wars and crimes are not the only wars and crimes commited in the World. However Balkan is Europe, and needs to put in practice what leaders and people of Blakan is claiming "we are part of Europe, we want European solutions,standards....etc, etc".

Doing things the "europen way" is, taking responsibility for what you have done, apologise and put sistems in place to make sure it will never happened again. Exemple of behaviour of Germany, UK, France and beyond.

Balkan people need to listen more to people like Slobodan and pay less atention to people like Zoran. This for the better of all peoples of Balkan, for e better Europe.

One can not say we are/want to join the civilised Euroep in one hand, and continue denying responsibility, demonize your neighbours and be associated with roug regimes in all 4 corners of the World.

Zoran

What did Naser Oric do? and what did Ratko Mladic and his entire army do? Well according the the international tribunal Naser Oric was accused of preventing the murder of 7 prisoners of war (soldiers) who were caught by his garrison and killed. However due to lack of evidence that he ordered this inncident he was released. What did Mladic get accused of? 11 counts including two of which are genocide and one being that siege of Sarajevo. I see this is really equal in crime right? go to school...

This might force the Dutch to begin a proper investigation of the events following the Moslem abandonment of the fortified town of Srebrenica.

If Dutch taxpayers are to pay compensation to Moslems murdered following the arrival of Serbian troops, then I suspect that there will be a major revision of the figures.

3,500 armed Moslem soldiers killed in action as they broke through Serbian lines to reach the Moslem town of Tuzla obviously will not count as “murdered.” How many more Moslems lost their lives following Srebrenica’s capitulation? This is a difficult question, but available forensic evidence suggests that the total number killed is no more than 3,500.

There may have been a few “revenge” but available evidence suggests this cannot be more than a few hundred.

"Yes, the Dutch have a large responsibility to face here. They were sheltering war criminals like Oric in the prior months, allowing him to massacre Serbians in villages surrounding Srebrenica (generally on religious days like Christmas) when the whole town should have been demilitarised. "
(Zoran, 5 July 2011 15:12)

vs.

"The court ruled that the Dutch state is responsible for the death of these men because Dutchbat (Dutch U.N. troops) should not have handed them over," a spokeswoman for the court in The Hague said, Reuters reported.

Yes! This article is about responsibility. But for what? I guess a pupil in the second grade would be able answer this question :-)

--Giving these 3 innocent workers to Serbian crocodiles/monsters is crime that needs to be severely punished. Dutch government should pay a hard price, where instead of hiding them filled the mouths of Serbian mega-criminals with the blood of innocents. (Creative Rationality, 5 July 2011 15:24)--

Thank you, CR. The Dutch forces committed a horrible, an unforgivable act by turning over civilians to this monster and his many willing executioners. You can say it was only 3 men, but it was actually more like 8,000+. to be herded up and butchered, like mad dogs. and the Dutch knew EXACTLY what their fate would be. Not to mentioned the women who were raped, the suicides.

BUT -- it is also true that the Dutch forces were left out there, exposed and in an impossible position. this was our fault, that of the "west," of the UN, whatever you wish to call it. The UN needs to be held liable, and sued by all Bosnian victims. the UN did not help prevent genocide there, it facilitated it.

But none of this diminishes in any way the responsibility of the Milosevic/Karadzic/Mladic gang and their many all too willing executioners. They must all pay, and big-time.

Also -- I am pleased to see that one or two self-proclaimed Serbs (or of Serb descent) have, at least for the time being, joined the discourse (so-called) here, and have added voices of reason and moderation. For once! that it might last... i've always tried to differentiate between militant nationalists vs honestly progressive serb voices. but it is so hard here, since one side almost always dominates, and really in the ugliest of ways. reinforcing the very ugliest of stereotypes. so thanks, don't be strangers.

ciao! tung. roberto frisco

Giving these 3 innocent workers to Serbian crocodiles/monsters is crime that needs to be severely punished.
(Creative Rationality, 5 July 2011 15:24)

Would you rather see them be "taken" by the elite and world renowned Kosovo Peoples'Kidney Liberation Army?

Zoran

What did Naser Oric do? and what did Ratko Mladic and his entire army do? Well according the the international tribunal Naser Oric was accused of preventing the murder of 7 prisoners of war (soldiers) who were caught by his garrison and killed. However due to lack of evidence that he ordered this inncident he was released. What did Mladic get accused of? 11 counts including two of which are genocide and one being that siege of Sarajevo. I see this is really equal in crime right? go to school...
(idiotism, 5 July 2011 23:00)

Mladic is guilty of killing, POWs all of them fighting aged men and trained soldiers (under enourmous pressure). Oric on the other hand is guilty of slaughtering women, children and the elderly and then hiding behind the UN for protection. Who is the greater war criminal? You dont have to be a genius to work it out.

You, druge, listen too much to RTS in those days.
(Slobodan, 5 July 2011 16:52)
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I didn't have access to RTS in those days and I was on the streets in the West protesting. Now tell me, what's wrong with setting things straight? If people believed the crap coming from the BBC and CNN back then, is it wrong to have some balance and explain the other side?

Maybe you were overwhelmed with Serbian propaganda, however, I was overwhelmed with Western propaganda and lies. I'm not a Boris or Danilo who are ashamed of being Serbs. I am proud of that fact.

What did Naser Oric do?
(idiotism, 5 July 2011 23:00)
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This is taken from the Netherlands Srebrenica report http://www.srebrenica.nl/Pages/OOR/23/379.bGFuZz1OTA.html

Muslim fighters from Srebrenica attacked 79 Serbian places in the districts of Srebrenica and Bratunac. They followed a certain pattern. Initially, Serbs were driven out of ethnically mixed towns. Then Serbian hamlets surrounded by Muslim towns were attacked and finally the remaining Serbian settlements were overrun. The residents were murdered, their homes were plundered and burnt down or blown up. There was a preference to launch these attacks on Serbian public holidays (those of Saint Joris, Saint Vitus and the Blessed Peter, and Christmas Day), probably because least resistance was expected. Yet it simultaneously contributed to the development of profound Serbian grievances. Many of these attacks were bloody in nature. For example, the victims had their throats slit, they were assaulted with pitchforks or they were set on fire.

It is estimated that between 1,000 and 1,200 Serbs died in these attacks, while about 3,000 of them were wounded. Ultimately, of the original 9,390 Serbian inhabitants of the Srebrenica district, only 860 remained, mainly in the four villages of Skelani, Crvica, Petrica and Lijesce.

On 7 January 1993 Oric led a major attack of Muslims on Kravica during the Serbs’ Christmas festivities. At the time the inhabitants of this Serbian village numbered 353 in total. 28 of them were killed, after which the place was reduced to rubble. This event was not noticed by the Western press at the time, unlike the attack on the Deputy Prime Minister, Turajlic, which occurred in Sarajevo almost simultaneously, where the representatives of the international media had assembled.

On 29 March 20 trucks which had earlier delivered food and medicine to Srebrenica, were to take approximately 2,300 people from this place to Tuzla, being mainly women, children and the wounded. Upon their arrival it appeared that a number of those evacuated had suffocated to death. Two days later another 2,000 people arrived in Tuzla. Again people died during the journey. Two children were trampled in Srebrenica when people stormed the trucks as they stood ready to leave. Although five ABiH soldiers were stationed on each truck before their departure, they were unable to prevent people from storming the empty trucks. Mothers who had lost hope of leaving themselves, threw their children on the trucks. At least four people died on the way.

Following the arrival of this convoy, the Second Corps in Tuzla announced that further evacuations were contrary to their military objectives. According to these authorities, evacuation amounted to complicity in ethnic cleansing.
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Ibran Mustafic, (Muslim) representative in Bosnian and Federal Parliaments, founder of SDA in Srebrenica and the captive of the Serb Army after the fall of this town, talks about the events about which he had unsuccessfully tried to speak in the Bosnian Parliament. Check -> http://www.srebrenica-report.com/sacrificed.htm

Scenario for the betrayal of Srebrenica was consciously prepared. Unfortunately, the Bosnian presidency and the Army command were involved in this business; if you want the names, figure it out yourself. I understood the situation in Srebrenica and, you can trust me on this, had I not been prevented by a group of criminals, many more inhabitants of Srebrenica would be alive today. Had I received an order to attack the Serb army from the demilitarized zone, I would have rejected to carry out that order without thinking and would have asked the person who had issued that order to bring his family to Srebrenica so that I can give him a gun and let him stage attacks from the demilitarized zone. I knew that such shameful, calculated moves were leading my people to a catastrophe. The orders came from Sarajevo and Kakanj.
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Taken from Srebenica report -> http://www.srebrenica-report.com/Srebrenica_Book.pdf
The Bosnian Muslim leadership had been struggling for several years to persuade the NATO powers to intervene more forcibly on their behalf,
and there is strong evidence that they were prepared not only to lie
but also to sacrifice their own citizens and soldiers to serve the end of
inducing intervention (matters described further below and in Chapters
2 and 7). A number of Bosnian Muslim officials have claimed that their
leader, Alija Izetbegovic, told them that Clinton had advised him that
U.S. intervention would only occur if the Serbs killed at least 5,000 at
Srebrenica.12 The abandonment of Srebrenica prior to July 11, 1995 by
an armed Bosnian Muslim force much larger numerically than that of
the Bosnian Serb attackers, and the retreat that made that larger force
vulnerable and caused it to suffer heavy casualties in fighting and
vengeance executions, helped produce deaths that, once their actual
number was inflated, would not only meet but surpass the Clinton
threshold. There is other evidence that the retreat from Srebrenica was
not based on any military necessity, but was strategic, with the personnel
losses incurred regarded as a necessary sacrifice for a larger purpose
(see Chapters 2 and 3).
Croatian authorities were also delighted with the claims of a Srebrenica
massacre, as this deflected attention from their prior devastating
ethnic cleansing of Serbs in Western Slavonia (almost entirely
ignored by the Western media), and it would provide a cover for their
already planned removal of several hundred-thousand Serbs from the
Krajina area in Croatia. This massive ethnic cleansing operation was
carried out with U.S. logistical support in the month following the Srebrenica
events, and it possibly involved the killing of more Serb civilians
than Bosnian Muslim civilians killed in the Srebrenica area in July. Most
or all of the Bosnian Muslim victims of execution were men of fighting
age, and very few were women or children; the Croatians, unlike the
Bosnian Serbs, did not bus women and children to safety, and several
hundred women, children and old people were slaughtered in Krajina.13
But the Krajina ethnic cleansing and massacre was hardly noticed in the
wake of the indignation and propaganda generated by Srebrenica and
the official guidance of the media agenda.

The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia
(ICTY) and UN also had an important role to play in the consolidation
of the standard Srebrenica massacre narrative. From its inception the
ICTY served as an arm of the NATO powers, who created it, funded it, chose or vetted key personnel, served as its police arm and main information
source, and expected and got responsive service from the organization.
14 The ICTY focused heavily on Srebrenica and provided
important and nominally independent corroboration of the massacre
narrative (see Chapters 5 and 6). The UN is less thoroughly responsive
to NATO-power demands, but it is responsive and in the Srebrenica
case it came through just as the United States and its main allies desired.

"Your problem - you don't explain the "other" (Serbian) side! You twist the tale! You drone on about Oric and ICTY but you never explain why on God's earth America, Britain, France, Germany needed Jugoslav disintegration!"
(Slobodan, 5 July 2011 20:00)

Very easy. Because YU, as a whole, would have been too powerful, too big and with too much influence, outperforming each and every of the countries you mentioned above. Oops. Well, some people seem to think so, with the usual overestimation of the importance of a country with not even 24 millions of inhabitants for the EU as whole and the world ;-)

I feel soryy for the Dutch troops, they are simply victims of the politically correct anti Serbian Dutch government. The Dutch troops had a good relationship with the Bosnian Serb Army and they were glad to see Srebrenica liberated after years of muslim terror in the area.

Mladic is guilty of killing, POWs all of them fighting aged men and trained soldiers (under enourmous pressure). Oric on the other hand is guilty of slaughtering women, children and the elderly and then hiding behind the UN for protection. Who is the greater war criminal? You dont have to be a genius to work it out.
(New Zealander, 6 July 2011 07:12)
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And that's the whole point that every side has their fair share of responsibility, which even roberta admits. The UN messed up big time by allowing Oric to massacre Serbians in surrounding villages and then protecting those killers in the UN safe haven. When Srebrenica fell the first time and the UN intervened - not allowing Serbians to take the city they promised to demilitarise the town and again failed, allowing attacks to continue from within. Now the UN admits responsibility and so do the Dutch but that is generally hidden from the masses. The Serbians were furious and as such, went in for revenge.

Now the difference between Mladic and Oric is that Mladic allowed women and children safe passage out of Srebrenica while Oric's forces indiscriminately massacred Serbian women and children in the surrounding villages.

Dutchbat should never have been sent there in the first place. But the Dutch government 'wanted to do something' despite the fact that everybody knew that Srebrenica was a death trap which could not be defended. The Canadians who were there before Dutchbat realised that all too well and wanted out.
The Dutch military top was against the idea but were dismissed by the Dutch government on the threat of getting fired.
Ducthbat was supposed to keep parties seperated and they were supposed to disarm the moslem to stop them from masacring Serb villages. Dutchbat however was understaffed, under-armed and under-supplied. No way that they could fulfill this mission. Ultimately, Dutchbat was betrayed by its politians and by the international community. For the subsequent killings, the ones pulling the triggers are responsible but indirectly also the above mentioned.

The landmark ruling could open the path to other compensation claims by victims who claim their male relatives should have been protected by the Dutch UN peacekeepers in charge of the UN safe zone, the AP reported.
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Yes, the Dutch have a large responsibility to face here. They were sheltering war criminals like Oric in the prior months, allowing him to massacre Serbians in villages surrounding Srebrenica (generally on religious days like Christmas) when the whole town should have been demilitarised.

You see, the town was surrendered to the RS army but the West intervened promising to demilitarise Srebrenica but failed and allowed the attacks from within to continue. They share a large responsibility for the mess they created in BiH. They started the war, prolonged the war and in the end, their Muslim clients ended up with less than was negotiated with Serbians prior to the conflict.

They can spend billions on a phoney court with phoney judgements but the truth is out there.

The only one who's responisble for the deaths is Mladic and the murderers he ordered.
(Analyst, 5 July 2011 16:11) Also the thousands of Serb Criminal rebels who obeyed the criminal orders with unbounded sadistic murder of civilians. The Dutch tried to defend Srebrenica but were thoriated by Serbia and the criminal Rebel Serbs of Bosnia. The Dutch tried to bring in Leopard Tanks in to Srebrenica with Serbia prior "approval". Then Serbia started to blackmail the Dutch saying their roads will be damaged by the tanks they need millions in compensation the Dutch paid it. Then Serbia said we need more millions before they are allowed to continue on to Srebrenica Bosnia. The Dutch finally realized the Serbia is playing them for fools now the Dutch are playing hard ball with the Serbs and Serbia. If the Dutch Leopard tanks where in Srebrenica before the genocide by the Serbs like they were suppose to be the criminal cowardly rebel Serbs would of chickened out only good at murdering unarmed civilians. The Dutch should take Srpska entity aka Greater Serbia Belgrade to court so they finally get justice for all their war criminality.

This might force the Dutch to begin a proper investigation of the events following the Moslem abandonment of the fortified town of Srebrenica.

If Dutch taxpayers are to pay compensation to Moslems murdered following the arrival of Serbian troops, then I suspect that there will be a major revision of the figures.

3,500 armed Moslem soldiers killed in action as they broke through Serbian lines to reach the Moslem town of Tuzla obviously will not count as “murdered.” How many more Moslems lost their lives following Srebrenica’s capitulation? This is a difficult question, but available forensic evidence suggests that the total number killed is no more than 3,500.

There may have been a few “revenge” but available evidence suggests this cannot be more than a few hundred.

You, druge, listen too much to RTS in those days.
(Slobodan, 5 July 2011 16:52)
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I didn't have access to RTS in those days and I was on the streets in the West protesting. Now tell me, what's wrong with setting things straight? If people believed the crap coming from the BBC and CNN back then, is it wrong to have some balance and explain the other side?

Maybe you were overwhelmed with Serbian propaganda, however, I was overwhelmed with Western propaganda and lies. I'm not a Boris or Danilo who are ashamed of being Serbs. I am proud of that fact.

Giving these 3 innocent workers to Serbian crocodiles/monsters is crime that needs to be severely punished.
(Creative Rationality, 5 July 2011 15:24)

Would you rather see them be "taken" by the elite and world renowned Kosovo Peoples'Kidney Liberation Army?

Giving these 3 innocent workers to Serbian crocodiles/monsters is crime that needs to be severely punished. Dutch government should pay a hard price, where instead of hiding them filled the mouths of Serbian mega-criminals with the blood of innocents.

"Your problem - you don't explain the "other" (Serbian) side! You twist the tale! You drone on about Oric and ICTY but you never explain why on God's earth America, Britain, France, Germany needed Jugoslav disintegration!"
(Slobodan, 5 July 2011 20:00)

Very easy. Because YU, as a whole, would have been too powerful, too big and with too much influence, outperforming each and every of the countries you mentioned above. Oops. Well, some people seem to think so, with the usual overestimation of the importance of a country with not even 24 millions of inhabitants for the EU as whole and the world ;-)

Zoran

What did Naser Oric do? and what did Ratko Mladic and his entire army do? Well according the the international tribunal Naser Oric was accused of preventing the murder of 7 prisoners of war (soldiers) who were caught by his garrison and killed. However due to lack of evidence that he ordered this inncident he was released. What did Mladic get accused of? 11 counts including two of which are genocide and one being that siege of Sarajevo. I see this is really equal in crime right? go to school...

Zoran you simply never rest, do you? All so black and white for you. The West this, NATO that. Everyone's fault but Serbs'...

OK, we have here Oric in Srebrenica but what about everything else happening on Balkans?! Was Sarajevo shelling OK by your standards? If you were head of Romanija Corps would you be able to sleep at night after blowing people of Sarajevo (including Serbs) to smithereens?!

And you blame West for starting wars? Come on! You honestly believe Milosevic and Tudjman didn't have plan from 1990 - 1991? What regard did Milosevic have for us? I became broke as a result his policies! He stole from me and millions others to fund his wicked policies! You, druge, listen too much to RTS in those days.

Brother Serbs -- please, ignore this "Zoran"!

Zoran

What did Naser Oric do? and what did Ratko Mladic and his entire army do? Well according the the international tribunal Naser Oric was accused of preventing the murder of 7 prisoners of war (soldiers) who were caught by his garrison and killed. However due to lack of evidence that he ordered this inncident he was released. What did Mladic get accused of? 11 counts including two of which are genocide and one being that siege of Sarajevo. I see this is really equal in crime right? go to school...
(idiotism, 5 July 2011 23:00)

Mladic is guilty of killing, POWs all of them fighting aged men and trained soldiers (under enourmous pressure). Oric on the other hand is guilty of slaughtering women, children and the elderly and then hiding behind the UN for protection. Who is the greater war criminal? You dont have to be a genius to work it out.

Mladic is guilty of killing, POWs all of them fighting aged men and trained soldiers (under enourmous pressure). Oric on the other hand is guilty of slaughtering women, children and the elderly and then hiding behind the UN for protection. Who is the greater war criminal? You dont have to be a genius to work it out.
(New Zealander, 6 July 2011 07:12)
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And that's the whole point that every side has their fair share of responsibility, which even roberta admits. The UN messed up big time by allowing Oric to massacre Serbians in surrounding villages and then protecting those killers in the UN safe haven. When Srebrenica fell the first time and the UN intervened - not allowing Serbians to take the city they promised to demilitarise the town and again failed, allowing attacks to continue from within. Now the UN admits responsibility and so do the Dutch but that is generally hidden from the masses. The Serbians were furious and as such, went in for revenge.

Now the difference between Mladic and Oric is that Mladic allowed women and children safe passage out of Srebrenica while Oric's forces indiscriminately massacred Serbian women and children in the surrounding villages.

"The Dutch government, which has faced several lawsuits in recent years over Srebrenica, has always insisted that its troops were abandoned by the United Nations, which provided them no air support."

Which was the case, together with the non sufficient UN mandate. The Dutch soldiers have been there as peacekeepers, without any allowance to fight except for self defense. They were even taken as hostages by Mladic's troops (in violation of UN rules), one of the things he's accused of in The Hague, currently. The only one who's responisble for the deaths is Mladic and the murderers he ordered.

Balkan wars and crimes are not the only wars and crimes commited in the World. However Balkan is Europe, and needs to put in practice what leaders and people of Blakan is claiming "we are part of Europe, we want European solutions,standards....etc, etc".

Doing things the "europen way" is, taking responsibility for what you have done, apologise and put sistems in place to make sure it will never happened again. Exemple of behaviour of Germany, UK, France and beyond.

Balkan people need to listen more to people like Slobodan and pay less atention to people like Zoran. This for the better of all peoples of Balkan, for e better Europe.

One can not say we are/want to join the civilised Euroep in one hand, and continue denying responsibility, demonize your neighbours and be associated with roug regimes in all 4 corners of the World.

I feel soryy for the Dutch troops, they are simply victims of the politically correct anti Serbian Dutch government. The Dutch troops had a good relationship with the Bosnian Serb Army and they were glad to see Srebrenica liberated after years of muslim terror in the area.

What did Naser Oric do?
(idiotism, 5 July 2011 23:00)
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This is taken from the Netherlands Srebrenica report http://www.srebrenica.nl/Pages/OOR/23/379.bGFuZz1OTA.html

Muslim fighters from Srebrenica attacked 79 Serbian places in the districts of Srebrenica and Bratunac. They followed a certain pattern. Initially, Serbs were driven out of ethnically mixed towns. Then Serbian hamlets surrounded by Muslim towns were attacked and finally the remaining Serbian settlements were overrun. The residents were murdered, their homes were plundered and burnt down or blown up. There was a preference to launch these attacks on Serbian public holidays (those of Saint Joris, Saint Vitus and the Blessed Peter, and Christmas Day), probably because least resistance was expected. Yet it simultaneously contributed to the development of profound Serbian grievances. Many of these attacks were bloody in nature. For example, the victims had their throats slit, they were assaulted with pitchforks or they were set on fire.

It is estimated that between 1,000 and 1,200 Serbs died in these attacks, while about 3,000 of them were wounded. Ultimately, of the original 9,390 Serbian inhabitants of the Srebrenica district, only 860 remained, mainly in the four villages of Skelani, Crvica, Petrica and Lijesce.

On 7 January 1993 Oric led a major attack of Muslims on Kravica during the Serbs’ Christmas festivities. At the time the inhabitants of this Serbian village numbered 353 in total. 28 of them were killed, after which the place was reduced to rubble. This event was not noticed by the Western press at the time, unlike the attack on the Deputy Prime Minister, Turajlic, which occurred in Sarajevo almost simultaneously, where the representatives of the international media had assembled.

On 29 March 20 trucks which had earlier delivered food and medicine to Srebrenica, were to take approximately 2,300 people from this place to Tuzla, being mainly women, children and the wounded. Upon their arrival it appeared that a number of those evacuated had suffocated to death. Two days later another 2,000 people arrived in Tuzla. Again people died during the journey. Two children were trampled in Srebrenica when people stormed the trucks as they stood ready to leave. Although five ABiH soldiers were stationed on each truck before their departure, they were unable to prevent people from storming the empty trucks. Mothers who had lost hope of leaving themselves, threw their children on the trucks. At least four people died on the way.

Following the arrival of this convoy, the Second Corps in Tuzla announced that further evacuations were contrary to their military objectives. According to these authorities, evacuation amounted to complicity in ethnic cleansing.
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Ibran Mustafic, (Muslim) representative in Bosnian and Federal Parliaments, founder of SDA in Srebrenica and the captive of the Serb Army after the fall of this town, talks about the events about which he had unsuccessfully tried to speak in the Bosnian Parliament. Check -> http://www.srebrenica-report.com/sacrificed.htm

Scenario for the betrayal of Srebrenica was consciously prepared. Unfortunately, the Bosnian presidency and the Army command were involved in this business; if you want the names, figure it out yourself. I understood the situation in Srebrenica and, you can trust me on this, had I not been prevented by a group of criminals, many more inhabitants of Srebrenica would be alive today. Had I received an order to attack the Serb army from the demilitarized zone, I would have rejected to carry out that order without thinking and would have asked the person who had issued that order to bring his family to Srebrenica so that I can give him a gun and let him stage attacks from the demilitarized zone. I knew that such shameful, calculated moves were leading my people to a catastrophe. The orders came from Sarajevo and Kakanj.
==
Taken from Srebenica report -> http://www.srebrenica-report.com/Srebrenica_Book.pdf
The Bosnian Muslim leadership had been struggling for several years to persuade the NATO powers to intervene more forcibly on their behalf,
and there is strong evidence that they were prepared not only to lie
but also to sacrifice their own citizens and soldiers to serve the end of
inducing intervention (matters described further below and in Chapters
2 and 7). A number of Bosnian Muslim officials have claimed that their
leader, Alija Izetbegovic, told them that Clinton had advised him that
U.S. intervention would only occur if the Serbs killed at least 5,000 at
Srebrenica.12 The abandonment of Srebrenica prior to July 11, 1995 by
an armed Bosnian Muslim force much larger numerically than that of
the Bosnian Serb attackers, and the retreat that made that larger force
vulnerable and caused it to suffer heavy casualties in fighting and
vengeance executions, helped produce deaths that, once their actual
number was inflated, would not only meet but surpass the Clinton
threshold. There is other evidence that the retreat from Srebrenica was
not based on any military necessity, but was strategic, with the personnel
losses incurred regarded as a necessary sacrifice for a larger purpose
(see Chapters 2 and 3).
Croatian authorities were also delighted with the claims of a Srebrenica
massacre, as this deflected attention from their prior devastating
ethnic cleansing of Serbs in Western Slavonia (almost entirely
ignored by the Western media), and it would provide a cover for their
already planned removal of several hundred-thousand Serbs from the
Krajina area in Croatia. This massive ethnic cleansing operation was
carried out with U.S. logistical support in the month following the Srebrenica
events, and it possibly involved the killing of more Serb civilians
than Bosnian Muslim civilians killed in the Srebrenica area in July. Most
or all of the Bosnian Muslim victims of execution were men of fighting
age, and very few were women or children; the Croatians, unlike the
Bosnian Serbs, did not bus women and children to safety, and several
hundred women, children and old people were slaughtered in Krajina.13
But the Krajina ethnic cleansing and massacre was hardly noticed in the
wake of the indignation and propaganda generated by Srebrenica and
the official guidance of the media agenda.

The International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia
(ICTY) and UN also had an important role to play in the consolidation
of the standard Srebrenica massacre narrative. From its inception the
ICTY served as an arm of the NATO powers, who created it, funded it, chose or vetted key personnel, served as its police arm and main information
source, and expected and got responsive service from the organization.
14 The ICTY focused heavily on Srebrenica and provided
important and nominally independent corroboration of the massacre
narrative (see Chapters 5 and 6). The UN is less thoroughly responsive
to NATO-power demands, but it is responsive and in the Srebrenica
case it came through just as the United States and its main allies desired.

@Zoran

Your problem - you don't explain the "other" (Serbian) side! You twist the tale! You drone on about Oric and ICTY but you never explain why on God's earth America, Britain, France, Germany needed Jugoslav disintegration! This is classic case of shifting all responsibility onto other side. Were crimes committed against us? Of course! But look how many crimes we committed!

--Giving these 3 innocent workers to Serbian crocodiles/monsters is crime that needs to be severely punished. Dutch government should pay a hard price, where instead of hiding them filled the mouths of Serbian mega-criminals with the blood of innocents. (Creative Rationality, 5 July 2011 15:24)--

Thank you, CR. The Dutch forces committed a horrible, an unforgivable act by turning over civilians to this monster and his many willing executioners. You can say it was only 3 men, but it was actually more like 8,000+. to be herded up and butchered, like mad dogs. and the Dutch knew EXACTLY what their fate would be. Not to mentioned the women who were raped, the suicides.

BUT -- it is also true that the Dutch forces were left out there, exposed and in an impossible position. this was our fault, that of the "west," of the UN, whatever you wish to call it. The UN needs to be held liable, and sued by all Bosnian victims. the UN did not help prevent genocide there, it facilitated it.

But none of this diminishes in any way the responsibility of the Milosevic/Karadzic/Mladic gang and their many all too willing executioners. They must all pay, and big-time.

Also -- I am pleased to see that one or two self-proclaimed Serbs (or of Serb descent) have, at least for the time being, joined the discourse (so-called) here, and have added voices of reason and moderation. For once! that it might last... i've always tried to differentiate between militant nationalists vs honestly progressive serb voices. but it is so hard here, since one side almost always dominates, and really in the ugliest of ways. reinforcing the very ugliest of stereotypes. so thanks, don't be strangers.

ciao! tung. roberto frisco

Dutchbat should never have been sent there in the first place. But the Dutch government 'wanted to do something' despite the fact that everybody knew that Srebrenica was a death trap which could not be defended. The Canadians who were there before Dutchbat realised that all too well and wanted out.
The Dutch military top was against the idea but were dismissed by the Dutch government on the threat of getting fired.
Ducthbat was supposed to keep parties seperated and they were supposed to disarm the moslem to stop them from masacring Serb villages. Dutchbat however was understaffed, under-armed and under-supplied. No way that they could fulfill this mission. Ultimately, Dutchbat was betrayed by its politians and by the international community. For the subsequent killings, the ones pulling the triggers are responsible but indirectly also the above mentioned.

"Yes, the Dutch have a large responsibility to face here. They were sheltering war criminals like Oric in the prior months, allowing him to massacre Serbians in villages surrounding Srebrenica (generally on religious days like Christmas) when the whole town should have been demilitarised. "
(Zoran, 5 July 2011 15:12)

vs.

"The court ruled that the Dutch state is responsible for the death of these men because Dutchbat (Dutch U.N. troops) should not have handed them over," a spokeswoman for the court in The Hague said, Reuters reported.

Yes! This article is about responsibility. But for what? I guess a pupil in the second grade would be able answer this question :-)