Violence breaks out in Northern Ireland

Ian i suppose you would say give the Falklands to the Argies as well. I am suprised at your comments because many a time you post on here on your support for Kosovo independence, well Kosovo was/is part of Serbia so using your logic Kosovo should be given back to Serbia. Or is it one rule for one and another rule for others???

The UK should give Northern Ireland back to the rest of Ireland and then have some sort of agreement where, make Northern Ireland an autonomous part of the Republic ect. But then again we don't want the loyalists starting a terror campaign against the Irish like the Republicans did against the British. Complicated situation, however what happens it should result in the unification of Ireland.

The UK should give Northern Ireland back to the rest of Ireland
(Ian, UK, 22 June 2011 15:10)

See, even a country as great as ours has its Natasa Kandic types. Quite contemptible.

Ian, the majority of which people? The majority of residents of the island of Ireland may favour unification, but the majority of residents of Serbia likewise favour the unity of Kosovo with Serbia. If youstart gerrymandering the constituency, you can get a majority for the independence of anywhere. You therefore have to consider other factors, a major one of which is to save territory from the barbarism of being ruled by Irish and Albanians.

The only case you quote which is 100% sure is the Falklands, which was never part of Argentina and where therefore the Argentines have no legitimate interest whatsoever.

Ian i suppose you would say give the Falklands to the Argies as well. I am suprised at your comments because many a time you post on here on your support for Kosovo independence, well Kosovo was/is part of Serbia so using your logic Kosovo should be given back to Serbia. Or is it one rule for one and another rule for others???
(Dave(UK), 22 June 2011 20:19)

No mate, there is one rule for all and that is to support the majority opinion. In Kosovo the majority opinion is to remain independent rather than re-joining Serbia. In the Falklands the majority opinion is to remain a self governing British Overseas Territory rather than independence or joining Argentina. In Northern Ireland it is hard to tell what the majority opinion is as many Irish Catholics boycott opinion polls about the future of Northern Ireland, this is why I would support a referendum on the future of Northern Ireland. One rule for all. It is simple, support the majority view of the people. This is democratic. So according to my logic no I wouldn't say that Kosovo should be given back to Serbia because that would go against the wishes of the majority of people in Kosovo. But it is people like you who don't give a monkeys what the majority of people think, you just have a plan in your head as to how the word should be to suit your political views and opinions.

@B92, why did you delete part of my previous comment stating that in the event of a united Ireland the people of current Northern Ireland should be entitled to British passports and Citizenship if they choose so?

Ian, the majority of which people? The majority of residents of the island of Ireland may favour unification, but the majority of residents of Serbia likewise favour the unity of Kosovo with Serbia. If youstart gerrymandering the constituency, you can get a majority for the independence of anywhere. You therefore have to consider other factors, a major one of which is to save territory from the barbarism of being ruled by Irish and Albanians.

The only case you quote which is 100% sure is the Falklands, which was never part of Argentina and where therefore the Argentines have no legitimate interest whatsoever.
(The Brit, 23 June 2011 13:23)

That is ridiculous. Lets take the US for example, if there were to a referendum on the independence of Texas you believe it should happen in all 50 states and not just Texas because that would be considered gerrymandering? If Texas wants independence let them decide their own future and don't let other people decide for them. Same applies with Kosovo, let the residents of Kosovo decide their own future. Why should someone in Novi Sad be able to decide on the future of someone from Kosovo. That is not democratic. Let the people decide their own future. If Scotland wants a referendum on independence should England, Wales and Northern Ireland participate in the referendum too? Obviously not! Why would a referendum in Northern Ireland be classed as gerrymandering? Northern Ireland is an entity within it's own right. Kosovo has always been an entity, it isn't gerrymandering. No-one has reshaped the boarders, these entities have always existed.

Kosovo has not always been an "entity" though, has it? And by your reasoning, why should someone in Novi Sad have a say over someone else in Becej, let alone Kosovo. Why should a voter in Bradford have any influence on how a Londoner lives - both Yorkshire and London have longer histories as "entities" than Kosovo does, after all?

My main opposition to these separatists is that I struggle to think of a single one anywhere who's pursued it for worthy motives, rather than to be king of an ever smaller dunghill. Look at the vile people who emerged at the head of the Yugoslav successor states (and I'd include Milosevic in the list of separatists as he did as much to hasten the breakup of SFRY as Tudjman). Their common factor, right down to and including the rabble presently running Kosovo, is that they're all criminal scum, like every Irish nationalist leader since de Valera for that matter. It used to be that patriotism was the "last reguge of the scoundrel" - now I think it's the quest for national self-determination. Djukanovic, Thaci, Gerry Adams...

The UK should give Northern Ireland back to the rest of Ireland and then have some sort of agreement where, make Northern Ireland an autonomous part of the Republic ect. But then again we don't want the loyalists starting a terror campaign against the Irish like the Republicans did against the British. Complicated situation, however what happens it should result in the unification of Ireland.

The UK should give Northern Ireland back to the rest of Ireland
(Ian, UK, 22 June 2011 15:10)

See, even a country as great as ours has its Natasa Kandic types. Quite contemptible.

Ian i suppose you would say give the Falklands to the Argies as well. I am suprised at your comments because many a time you post on here on your support for Kosovo independence, well Kosovo was/is part of Serbia so using your logic Kosovo should be given back to Serbia. Or is it one rule for one and another rule for others???
(Dave(UK), 22 June 2011 20:19)

No mate, there is one rule for all and that is to support the majority opinion. In Kosovo the majority opinion is to remain independent rather than re-joining Serbia. In the Falklands the majority opinion is to remain a self governing British Overseas Territory rather than independence or joining Argentina. In Northern Ireland it is hard to tell what the majority opinion is as many Irish Catholics boycott opinion polls about the future of Northern Ireland, this is why I would support a referendum on the future of Northern Ireland. One rule for all. It is simple, support the majority view of the people. This is democratic. So according to my logic no I wouldn't say that Kosovo should be given back to Serbia because that would go against the wishes of the majority of people in Kosovo. But it is people like you who don't give a monkeys what the majority of people think, you just have a plan in your head as to how the word should be to suit your political views and opinions.

@B92, why did you delete part of my previous comment stating that in the event of a united Ireland the people of current Northern Ireland should be entitled to British passports and Citizenship if they choose so?

Ian i suppose you would say give the Falklands to the Argies as well. I am suprised at your comments because many a time you post on here on your support for Kosovo independence, well Kosovo was/is part of Serbia so using your logic Kosovo should be given back to Serbia. Or is it one rule for one and another rule for others???

Ian, the majority of which people? The majority of residents of the island of Ireland may favour unification, but the majority of residents of Serbia likewise favour the unity of Kosovo with Serbia. If youstart gerrymandering the constituency, you can get a majority for the independence of anywhere. You therefore have to consider other factors, a major one of which is to save territory from the barbarism of being ruled by Irish and Albanians.

The only case you quote which is 100% sure is the Falklands, which was never part of Argentina and where therefore the Argentines have no legitimate interest whatsoever.

Ian, the majority of which people? The majority of residents of the island of Ireland may favour unification, but the majority of residents of Serbia likewise favour the unity of Kosovo with Serbia. If youstart gerrymandering the constituency, you can get a majority for the independence of anywhere. You therefore have to consider other factors, a major one of which is to save territory from the barbarism of being ruled by Irish and Albanians.

The only case you quote which is 100% sure is the Falklands, which was never part of Argentina and where therefore the Argentines have no legitimate interest whatsoever.
(The Brit, 23 June 2011 13:23)

That is ridiculous. Lets take the US for example, if there were to a referendum on the independence of Texas you believe it should happen in all 50 states and not just Texas because that would be considered gerrymandering? If Texas wants independence let them decide their own future and don't let other people decide for them. Same applies with Kosovo, let the residents of Kosovo decide their own future. Why should someone in Novi Sad be able to decide on the future of someone from Kosovo. That is not democratic. Let the people decide their own future. If Scotland wants a referendum on independence should England, Wales and Northern Ireland participate in the referendum too? Obviously not! Why would a referendum in Northern Ireland be classed as gerrymandering? Northern Ireland is an entity within it's own right. Kosovo has always been an entity, it isn't gerrymandering. No-one has reshaped the boarders, these entities have always existed.

Kosovo has not always been an "entity" though, has it? And by your reasoning, why should someone in Novi Sad have a say over someone else in Becej, let alone Kosovo. Why should a voter in Bradford have any influence on how a Londoner lives - both Yorkshire and London have longer histories as "entities" than Kosovo does, after all?

My main opposition to these separatists is that I struggle to think of a single one anywhere who's pursued it for worthy motives, rather than to be king of an ever smaller dunghill. Look at the vile people who emerged at the head of the Yugoslav successor states (and I'd include Milosevic in the list of separatists as he did as much to hasten the breakup of SFRY as Tudjman). Their common factor, right down to and including the rabble presently running Kosovo, is that they're all criminal scum, like every Irish nationalist leader since de Valera for that matter. It used to be that patriotism was the "last reguge of the scoundrel" - now I think it's the quest for national self-determination. Djukanovic, Thaci, Gerry Adams...