Jeremić: UNSCR 1244 defines Priština representation

Great! I was right again! Pristina will represent in enough economic forums to make blaming their economic incompetence impossible.

I got a bit excited bc I was in fact right all along yet again, so what I meant to write below is: Pristina will get enough self-representation in international economic forums that they cant blame their economic incompetence on us Serbs after reintegration. In other words: More than autonomy, less than independence.

Miri- I was impressed with the eloquence of your comment. Tell me are you able to use an abacus as well. Now that really would be an achievement. On a more serious note though, I think the FM is wise to stick to his mandate. After all five EU members and more than half the world's nation's do not recognise the fiction of Kosovo UDI. Kosovo does not have a seat at the UN. Financial institutions are now wondering why they ever allowed Kosovo to join them. Their corrupt leaders are propped up by the US desperate to hang on to its illegally obtained piece of military real estate. So I think Kosmet needs to seriously consider what it hopes to achieve.

Ha, Ha, Ha, He, He, He,Ha Ha ha,hi, hi,hi, he,he!!!
Mr. Jeremic, you are hysterical comedian.

Regional events !!!! The Kosovo situation is becoming day by day more ridicolous...

I do not understand why is Serbia talking about Kosova's atendance to these forums where itself has no acces to either Ionian or Adriatic seas. Serbia is being treated like a big bully that no none wants them arond but they are invited to every event just to keep them off from makin a fuss. The reality is going to hit again and this time a lot harder than in 1999.

If I recall the foreign minister of Kosovo was with you at the meeting and neither your country's name or Kosovo's name was in display. It was a compromise agreed by both countries.

By the way why dont you try to enter Kosovo without Prishtinas permission and see what happens to you. You will very quickly get a real dose of whether Kosovo is fake or a real state.

The amount of negative energy that Serbia is spending towards preventing Kosovo from becoming a member of international organizations is absolutely ridicilious. Dont think for a minute that your actions are going unnoticed by the Kosovar people. The word "shamefull" is not powerfull enough to describe Serbia's actions. Kosovars are disgusted by Serbia behaviour.

Serbia shouldnt forget its recent horrible past and the amount of destruction it caused all over ex Yugoslavia.

Ever wonder citizens of Serbia why every single state choose to split away from Serbia? Why is it Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Montengro and Kosovo all split away from Serbia. Why is it that not a single entity choose to remain in union with Serbia.

Of course it was America's doing. Thats what some people are saying here. One should think harder and the answer will become obvious. No one likes to be dominated. No one likes to be bullied.

As long as UN1244 is still in force, that's exactly how it should work. When it's so clearly defined in UN1244, why is there reason at all to discuss in which form representatives of Kosovo should be attend international meetings?

Wel Mr Jeremic Serbia is not part of any of Adriatic or Ionian .You are too far from the sea if you look at the map.You think you still controll Yugoslavia.Go back to school and see that Kosova have Exit on both those beautiful Seas.

"After all five EU members and more than half the world's nation's do not recognise the fiction of Kosovo UDI."

22 Eu members and the civilized develop world doesn't recognize Serbia's borders. Most Serb refugees are live and bite the hand from this countries ;)
All our neighbors do, all yours don't, oops Romania.

How does that make you feel that you are being fooled everyday in the region, and the only incentive to have an FM is for photo-ops in Africa and Asia?


"Kosovo does not have a seat at the UN."
But it does not have Serb occupational forces either ;)
One fight started since some crossed the Danube, the other just 3 years.

"Financial institutions are now wondering why they ever allowed Kosovo to join them."

Kosovars are thinking the opposite.

"Their corrupt leaders are propped up by the US desperate to hang on to its illegally obtained piece of military real estate."

Oh please, do not talk about corruption, you sold your steel and oil factory's for less than used underwear from a Japanese vending machine.

"So I think Kosmet needs to seriously consider what it hopes to achieve.
(PEN, 21 June 2011 15:39)"

Kosmet? Is this another chosen people / spoon invention rhetoric again?

While I congratulate Jeremic and others on their optimism, he is aware that there is unequivocal consensus among all the countries in the world that Kosovo will never be controlled by Serbia in any way, shape, or form. Vuk is also aware that he is partially responsible for that consensus, due to his IJC adventure, and the fiasco that followed.
Therefore, there is nothing left for him but to be destructive – by preventing over 2 million people from participating in regional initiatives, then what?
This does not hurt the leadership of Kosovo, but it affects its people, Kosovar Serbs included. I don’t believe that Vuk is crazy enough to think that his arrogance will force Kosovars into submission, as they had it a million times worse under Slobo, Rankovic, Tito, and they survived.
I just don’t understand what the heck is he trying to achieve? Is he trying to save face? Or maybe he is so pissed off at his failed political moves, and wants to take his anger out on Kosovo?

Why Jeremic? Didn't your government also recognize the country which capital is Skopje as "Rep. of Macedonia"? I can't find such a country in the UN's list, only F.Y.R.O.M.

Not that I would care how this country is called or not, but you clearly are not persistent in what you whine about and are, therefore, a bloody talker with a the only frequent flyer card which I would call: Farer-than-heaven-and-hell status.

So long!

"When it comes to regional events, our policy is clear. We do not want Priština's representatives to be excluded

I guess Prishtina excluded you from the meeting in Sarajevo, last week.
Come on Wolf man, you are not fooling anybody, but only your own people.

The amount of negative energy that Serbia is spending towards preventing Kosovo from becoming a member of international organizations is absolutely ridicilious. Dont think for a minute that your actions are going unnoticed by the Kosovar people. The word "shamefull" is not powerfull enough to describe Serbia's actions. Kosovars are disgusted by Serbia behaviour. "
(Jeff, 21 June 2011 17:43)

Don't overestime the Serbian influence. Most states decide on their own (apart from the 'lobbied' ones, courtesy of Pacolli) and for their own reasons to recognize Kosovo or not. And as long as Kosovo is not internationally recognized (so far, recognized by less than 50% of UN members) , it cannot join international organizations. There are some rules (most directly depend on UN membership), and international organizations usually don't have self-proclaimed but unrecognized states as members. Simple and easy.

Well Blero it looks like you've let the cat out of the bag. 'Kosova' has access to the adriatic sea? You mean greater albania has don't you. Oh dear, I think you're the one that needs to study a map. But then I suppose you're looking at the map peddled on the streets of Tirana. The legion of Albanian comentators waxing lyrical here can delude themselves until the cows come home. But the hard truth is nobody wants to do business with you, you can't travel anywhere, you are broke and utterly intolerant of anybody who isn't Albanian. You treat your minorities like dirt and you threaten anyone who doesn't agree with you. You are all the things you accuse the Serbs of being only worse. Serbia is full of minorities who are left in peace. Kosovo has none. Even the Gorani live in fear of you. If international donors stopped pumping billions to prop you up you'd collapse tomorrow. And all this after 12 years of supposedly standing alone. Serbia has a legitimate historical stake in Kosovo. Every town, village, mountain or river has a Serbian name. The word Kosovo is Serbian. Albanizing all the names won't alter that fundamental fact. No amount of hatred and bile will ever change that. Until Pristina approaches the issue in good faith, Kosovo ain't going anywhere.

So I think Kosmet needs to seriously consider what it hopes to achieve.
(PEN, 21 June 2011 15:39)
At least you have realized it is theirs to consider and not what Serbia decides for them, thats progress.

Err no they're not!
1244 has died like an old dog on 17 February 2008. They followed the Gymnich format as is mentioned here in a B92 article.
http://www.b92.net//eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=06&dd=20&nav_id=75010

"When it comes to regional events, our policy is clear. We do not want Pristina's representatives to be excluded (...)"

Why not? I thought your position was that bg is the official and only representative of all of Serbia including Kosovo, Presheva Valley, Vojvodina, Sanxhak (Sandzak), etc.

Furthermore, Kosovo was represented on equal footing as every other partner. We had no flag, you had no flag. Hoxha didn't have a title/label, neither did you. Your logic and at your request UNMIK talked first.....so what? He talked before you as well. Empty victories are empty sir.

If Kosovo's representation is clearly defined under 1244 then something has changed since pre-independence Kosovo's officials were never able to attend these high level meetings.

Let go of this rhetoric, Kosovo is independent and you're not fooling anyone.


Thanks,

Kosovo ain't going anywhere.
(PEN, 21 June 2011 21:40)

That sentence is only one in which you are right.

Ha, Ha, Ha, He, He, He,Ha Ha ha,hi, hi,hi, he,he!!!
Mr. Jeremic, you are hysterical comedian.

I do not understand why is Serbia talking about Kosova's atendance to these forums where itself has no acces to either Ionian or Adriatic seas. Serbia is being treated like a big bully that no none wants them arond but they are invited to every event just to keep them off from makin a fuss. The reality is going to hit again and this time a lot harder than in 1999.

If I recall the foreign minister of Kosovo was with you at the meeting and neither your country's name or Kosovo's name was in display. It was a compromise agreed by both countries.

By the way why dont you try to enter Kosovo without Prishtinas permission and see what happens to you. You will very quickly get a real dose of whether Kosovo is fake or a real state.

The amount of negative energy that Serbia is spending towards preventing Kosovo from becoming a member of international organizations is absolutely ridicilious. Dont think for a minute that your actions are going unnoticed by the Kosovar people. The word "shamefull" is not powerfull enough to describe Serbia's actions. Kosovars are disgusted by Serbia behaviour.

Serbia shouldnt forget its recent horrible past and the amount of destruction it caused all over ex Yugoslavia.

Ever wonder citizens of Serbia why every single state choose to split away from Serbia? Why is it Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Montengro and Kosovo all split away from Serbia. Why is it that not a single entity choose to remain in union with Serbia.

Of course it was America's doing. Thats what some people are saying here. One should think harder and the answer will become obvious. No one likes to be dominated. No one likes to be bullied.

Great! I was right again! Pristina will represent in enough economic forums to make blaming their economic incompetence impossible.

I got a bit excited bc I was in fact right all along yet again, so what I meant to write below is: Pristina will get enough self-representation in international economic forums that they cant blame their economic incompetence on us Serbs after reintegration. In other words: More than autonomy, less than independence.

"When it comes to regional events, our policy is clear. We do not want Priština's representatives to be excluded

I guess Prishtina excluded you from the meeting in Sarajevo, last week.
Come on Wolf man, you are not fooling anybody, but only your own people.

Regional events !!!! The Kosovo situation is becoming day by day more ridicolous...

Err no they're not!
1244 has died like an old dog on 17 February 2008. They followed the Gymnich format as is mentioned here in a B92 article.
http://www.b92.net//eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=06&dd=20&nav_id=75010

So I think Kosmet needs to seriously consider what it hopes to achieve.
(PEN, 21 June 2011 15:39)
At least you have realized it is theirs to consider and not what Serbia decides for them, thats progress.

"After all five EU members and more than half the world's nation's do not recognise the fiction of Kosovo UDI."

22 Eu members and the civilized develop world doesn't recognize Serbia's borders. Most Serb refugees are live and bite the hand from this countries ;)
All our neighbors do, all yours don't, oops Romania.

How does that make you feel that you are being fooled everyday in the region, and the only incentive to have an FM is for photo-ops in Africa and Asia?


"Kosovo does not have a seat at the UN."
But it does not have Serb occupational forces either ;)
One fight started since some crossed the Danube, the other just 3 years.

"Financial institutions are now wondering why they ever allowed Kosovo to join them."

Kosovars are thinking the opposite.

"Their corrupt leaders are propped up by the US desperate to hang on to its illegally obtained piece of military real estate."

Oh please, do not talk about corruption, you sold your steel and oil factory's for less than used underwear from a Japanese vending machine.

"So I think Kosmet needs to seriously consider what it hopes to achieve.
(PEN, 21 June 2011 15:39)"

Kosmet? Is this another chosen people / spoon invention rhetoric again?

Miri- I was impressed with the eloquence of your comment. Tell me are you able to use an abacus as well. Now that really would be an achievement. On a more serious note though, I think the FM is wise to stick to his mandate. After all five EU members and more than half the world's nation's do not recognise the fiction of Kosovo UDI. Kosovo does not have a seat at the UN. Financial institutions are now wondering why they ever allowed Kosovo to join them. Their corrupt leaders are propped up by the US desperate to hang on to its illegally obtained piece of military real estate. So I think Kosmet needs to seriously consider what it hopes to achieve.

Wel Mr Jeremic Serbia is not part of any of Adriatic or Ionian .You are too far from the sea if you look at the map.You think you still controll Yugoslavia.Go back to school and see that Kosova have Exit on both those beautiful Seas.

Well Blero it looks like you've let the cat out of the bag. 'Kosova' has access to the adriatic sea? You mean greater albania has don't you. Oh dear, I think you're the one that needs to study a map. But then I suppose you're looking at the map peddled on the streets of Tirana. The legion of Albanian comentators waxing lyrical here can delude themselves until the cows come home. But the hard truth is nobody wants to do business with you, you can't travel anywhere, you are broke and utterly intolerant of anybody who isn't Albanian. You treat your minorities like dirt and you threaten anyone who doesn't agree with you. You are all the things you accuse the Serbs of being only worse. Serbia is full of minorities who are left in peace. Kosovo has none. Even the Gorani live in fear of you. If international donors stopped pumping billions to prop you up you'd collapse tomorrow. And all this after 12 years of supposedly standing alone. Serbia has a legitimate historical stake in Kosovo. Every town, village, mountain or river has a Serbian name. The word Kosovo is Serbian. Albanizing all the names won't alter that fundamental fact. No amount of hatred and bile will ever change that. Until Pristina approaches the issue in good faith, Kosovo ain't going anywhere.

While I congratulate Jeremic and others on their optimism, he is aware that there is unequivocal consensus among all the countries in the world that Kosovo will never be controlled by Serbia in any way, shape, or form. Vuk is also aware that he is partially responsible for that consensus, due to his IJC adventure, and the fiasco that followed.
Therefore, there is nothing left for him but to be destructive – by preventing over 2 million people from participating in regional initiatives, then what?
This does not hurt the leadership of Kosovo, but it affects its people, Kosovar Serbs included. I don’t believe that Vuk is crazy enough to think that his arrogance will force Kosovars into submission, as they had it a million times worse under Slobo, Rankovic, Tito, and they survived.
I just don’t understand what the heck is he trying to achieve? Is he trying to save face? Or maybe he is so pissed off at his failed political moves, and wants to take his anger out on Kosovo?

As long as UN1244 is still in force, that's exactly how it should work. When it's so clearly defined in UN1244, why is there reason at all to discuss in which form representatives of Kosovo should be attend international meetings?

The amount of negative energy that Serbia is spending towards preventing Kosovo from becoming a member of international organizations is absolutely ridicilious. Dont think for a minute that your actions are going unnoticed by the Kosovar people. The word "shamefull" is not powerfull enough to describe Serbia's actions. Kosovars are disgusted by Serbia behaviour. "
(Jeff, 21 June 2011 17:43)

Don't overestime the Serbian influence. Most states decide on their own (apart from the 'lobbied' ones, courtesy of Pacolli) and for their own reasons to recognize Kosovo or not. And as long as Kosovo is not internationally recognized (so far, recognized by less than 50% of UN members) , it cannot join international organizations. There are some rules (most directly depend on UN membership), and international organizations usually don't have self-proclaimed but unrecognized states as members. Simple and easy.

Why Jeremic? Didn't your government also recognize the country which capital is Skopje as "Rep. of Macedonia"? I can't find such a country in the UN's list, only F.Y.R.O.M.

Not that I would care how this country is called or not, but you clearly are not persistent in what you whine about and are, therefore, a bloody talker with a the only frequent flyer card which I would call: Farer-than-heaven-and-hell status.

So long!

Kosovo ain't going anywhere.
(PEN, 21 June 2011 21:40)

That sentence is only one in which you are right.

"When it comes to regional events, our policy is clear. We do not want Pristina's representatives to be excluded (...)"

Why not? I thought your position was that bg is the official and only representative of all of Serbia including Kosovo, Presheva Valley, Vojvodina, Sanxhak (Sandzak), etc.

Furthermore, Kosovo was represented on equal footing as every other partner. We had no flag, you had no flag. Hoxha didn't have a title/label, neither did you. Your logic and at your request UNMIK talked first.....so what? He talked before you as well. Empty victories are empty sir.

If Kosovo's representation is clearly defined under 1244 then something has changed since pre-independence Kosovo's officials were never able to attend these high level meetings.

Let go of this rhetoric, Kosovo is independent and you're not fooling anyone.


Thanks,