You have been answering imaginary questions, like for example when you talked about further separatism and declarations of independence. My questions however you have still to answer.
Then try to answer my questin without writing walls of irrelevant garbage who's sole purpose is to mask the fact that you don't even understand what the discussion is about...
(Jeb, 21 June 2011 21:50)
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This is what i have been writing all this time,
this one doesnt understand that,
his questions has by my comments been answered all the time.
Alright Arn, I'm going to take a page out of your book now and do some assuptions. If I understand you correctly what you're saying is that the promises the Pristina government has made doesn't matter, even though they are the promises that got some countries to recognize the UDI. If the promises are broken should the recognitions then count?
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Dont the signature JEB understand that the Kosovo Sqiptars only play along with the West as long they see fit ?.
They will break any promise they have made when and if they see a fit opportunity arise.
The Sqiptars in Kosovo do not want to live togheter with the Serbs,
why should they otherwise have started the Upprising and War in Kosovo ?.
The Albanian Population wants a unification with Albania,
and are prepered to wholly cleanse the Serbian province,
from everybody not Sqiptar.
They,the Sqiptars in Kosovo, Sandzhak, and those in Macedonia,
dont give a shit about Worldoppinion if they can unite to become Greater-Albania.
Those Humanitarian Leftwinger Democratic Socialists,
The Clintons/Obamas etc,etc,
the US and the West,
are only used as USEFULL IDIOTS by both the Sqiptars and the Psychopatic Egoistic Germany and Her former Puppets from the Second World War.
As according to me, this signature JEB, dont understand Politic, nor Worldpolitic,nor History,
and that everything Public and on the Surface in the Face of the Worldoppinion and Peoples,
are only for Show and a Dirty Game.
The rest of this Smartheads comments i will not bother to comment.
"As according to me, this signature JEB, dont understand Politic, nor Worldpolitic,nor History,
and that everything Public and on the Surface in the Face of the Worldoppinion and Peoples,
are only for Show and a Dirty Game."
According to me you don't understand my simple question. How about reading one more time. Take notes and break it down into little pieces if you have to. Then try to answer my questin without writing walls of irrelevant garbage who's sole purpose is to mask the fact that you don't even understand what the discussion is about...
Alright Arn, I'm going to take a page out of your book now and do some assuptions. If I understand you correctly what you're saying is that the promises the Pristina government has made doesn't matter, even though they are the promises that got some countries to recognize the UDI. If the promises are broken should the recognitions then count?
Kosovo is nothing but an administrative line and you try to spin things so that democracy is applied to the areas where you think they should, but only there. Not entire Serbia, because then albanians wouldn't be a majority, but more than just areas where albanians live.
Ofcourse Bosnia is a different situation, I was merely highlighting one striking similarity. In Bosnia one people is not allowed to rule over the others. I don't see why that should be true in Kosovo. Well to tell you the truth I think Kosovo belongs to Serbia, but for the sake of argument let's say it's the newest democracy in the world. Why is it fair that so many people from different ethnicities all born in Serbia should be assimilated into another country that they don't want to belong to?
I haven't talked about further separation or declaration of independence, why bring it up?
Again you chose some of my arguments to respond to and ignore the rest, did you not read what I wrote about Bosnia and the promises of the Pristina government?
Serbs are the majority in Serbia, that didn't stop albanians from unilaretally declaring independence did it? Seriosuly, all this from someone who said "Selfdeception is wery hard to overcome !" ?
(Jeb, 21 June 2011 07:42)
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What a smart man you are, what a Government in a Democracy promises, it can ignore,
and even be ruled out by the mayority of the People in an elecion,
as living in Sweden you ought to know this.
This article is about Kosovo and not about Bosnia,
and the Political situation in Bosnia divided,
is not as the one in Kosovo undivided.
And if you want to be serious,
the US and The West is against every further Separation and declaeation of independense,
bouth in Kosovo and Bosnia.
If such Independent declaration wold come forward,
War will ensue.
“It is well known that the ever since the 'Prizren League', the Albanians tend to create a 'Greater Albania' and this is nothing new. But… said Bogdanovic.
Wowow what a beautiful surprise. This statement of Bogdanovic proves one thing that Serbs have never wanted to admit. Albanians have always co-existed in the Balkan with other people.
“The illegal declaration of independence of Kosovo was only an initial step by Albanians in making the mosaic of the ‘Greater Albania’,” Bogdanović was quoted as saying.
It is not TRUEE mr. Bogdanovic.
The 'Prizren League', that was held at 1878 seems that Albanian issue is not resolved ever. At that time Albanian lands are divided into four states illegally. Since this development occurred terrible crimes against Albanians during the time when they had come from Ottoman Empire very backward and without any allies. With independence of Kosovo, has been corrected only part of this historical injustice. So it is good for the health of the Serbian state to understand and accept this fact.
PEACE AND RECONSILATION CAN ONLY BE FOUNDED ON RIGHTOUSNESS !.
Every side committed crimes so stop pointing fingers. I truly hope that one day the people of the Balkans will see through the divisions brought upon us by these powers and that we reconcile and live in harmony. Hate keeps the region backwards so why do so many keep pursuing this path? Truth and reconciliation is the way.
(Zoran, 20 June 2011 11:04)
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GOD is the Personification of RIGHTOUSNESS of TRUTH and RECONSILATION WHO says -
"Love thy Neighbour as tyself",
and the other side of this TRUTH is,
" With what Judgement and Measurie You Judge and Measuries,
should be Judged and Measuried to You again " !.
So -
How about the Genocide the Croatians and Muslims comitted against the Serbians, Jews and Gypsies in bouth Croatia and Bosnia during the Second World War ?.
This last Civil War was only the Continuanse of this Conflict,
So -
If RIGHTOUSNESS of TRUTH is the Foundation then Justice must be conducted,
and that has not been done as yet.
Time does not exist in GOD the Personification of TRUTH.
If time is considered,
then one deceives Oneself,
and separates TRUTH FROM TRUTH,
and the Lie has seized the TRUTH and Perverted it.
Again you chose some of my arguments to respond to and ignore the rest, did you not read what I wrote about Bosnia and the promises of the Pristina government?
Serbs are the majority in Serbia, that didn't stop albanians from unilaretally declaring independence did it? Seriosuly, all this from someone who said "Selfdeception is wery hard to overcome !" ?
The EU has not recognised "Kosova" as independent. It is status neutral over the matter. Not all EU members have recognised "Kosova" and the same applies to NATO. The majority of UN members (where it really matters) do not recognise it either.
(Zoran, 20 June 2011 21:49)
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The mayority of the EU members has Recognised Kosovo,
this holds true to Nato as well,
the only members in those organisations which has not,
are those with etnic minority problems themselves,
and those members opinions has no practical importance.
The Mayority of UN members opinion does not matter at all either,
it has no practical importance and it is the US who rules this organisation more or less.
Comment - If the US and the EU has recognised Kosovo as Independent,
how can any of them Prevent or even Talk aginst the wish of two independent Nations as Albania and Kosovo to Join togheter ?.
(Arn.Sweden., 20 June 2011 11:18)
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The EU has not recognised "Kosova" as independent. It is status neutral over the matter. Not all EU members have recognised "Kosova" and the same applies to NATO. The majority of UN members (where it really matters) do not recognise it either.
The comment I made that I was talking about is that yes most EU countries have recognized Kosovo as independet, but if you look at the flag you can see that it has 6 stars, representing the countries 6 constitutional ethnicities. 5 out of 6 has no ties with albania
- have this signature JEB ever heard or Read about Domocracy,
a Ruling system where The Mayority Rules ?.
The Albanians is as everybody knows the Mayority in Kosovo.
Amazing what Smartheads there is.
No I will not waist more time with this for me to smart individual,
I am to disqualified to argue with him.
You can be as suspicious as you like, believing I chose my residence based on political views is past suspicious however, it's paranoid. All you know about me is that I live in Göteborg and that I'm of Serbian and Croatian descent, and based on that you believe I am an Ustasa supporter? I repeat, paranoid.
The comment I made that I was talking about is that yes most EU countries have recognized Kosovo as independet, but if you look at the flag you can see that it has 6 stars, representing the countries 6 constitutional ethnicities. 5 out of 6 has no ties with albania. It's comparable with Bosnia, there is not one ethnicity there that can decide over the others. I don't see why the albanians should have that benefit, sure there are more of them but one of the things that the "government" in Pristina has promised is that the so-called country belongs to all of the people and that the wishes of everyone should be respected, or do you believe that is only true until they wish something that the Albanians do not?
No wait, let me guess: you're paid to be here by someone, right?
(Balkan Anthropologist, 19 June 2011 23:43)
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Good point but if I was that someone I'd have asked for a refund a long time ago. Billions have been spent attempting to convince Serbians (and the world) that somehow we were wrong but after two decades we are still here defending the truth. You can see by comment from the dividers and hate spreaders that they are getting evermore radical and desperate as time is running out.
Every side committed crimes so stop pointing fingers. I truly hope that one day the people of the Balkans will see through the divisions brought upon us by these powers and that we reconcile and live in harmony. Hate keeps the region backwards so why do so many keep pursuing this path? Truth and reconciliation is the way.
Arn.Sweden clearly doesn't understand the issue. How can Kosovo, wheither you consider it a nation or not, have the right to become part of greater albania when that is the wish of only one out of six nationalities? Perhaps you shouldn't soil Swedish culture with skewed opinions that doesn't have anything to do with Sweden?
(Jeb, 19 June 2011 14:14)
Comment - If the US and the EU has recognised Kosovo as Independent,
how can any of them Prevent or even Talk aginst the wish of two independent Nations as Albania and Kosovo to Join togheter ?.
Seems as somthing is missing in understanding either by Jeb or me myself.
Well - living in Göteborg/Gothenburg in Sweden,
by one that is offspring of bouth Serbian and Croatian origin,
makes me suspicious,
since Gotenburgh is the Center of Croatians and their Refugee Ideology,
such as that of Ustasja.
the fascism that surfaced in the balkans during the 90s was something quite ugly, quite frightening, and we are still seeing echoes of it, ala bogdanovic and his types...
ciao!
tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 19 June 2011 18:31)
I'm damn sure you hear many echoes on everyday basis..
No I'm not from America. I'm born in Halmstad and currently live in Göteborg (Sweden for those that doesn't know). I have Serbian/croatian parents and consider myself a person of multiple nationalities. I don't see how I mention American culture in either my nick or my comment like you do with Swedish? Furthermore you avoided to comment on what I actually wrote, all you did was speculate about my origins...
Tell me; Who are the real fascists.
(New Zealander, 19 June 2011 21:25)
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Actually, they are small fry fascists whereas their masters, just like the NAZIs, are the big fish. Srebrenica was very well investigated and exaggerated to the point of calling it a "genocide" and watering down the real genocides of WWII. I've never heard of a "genocide" that provides shelter and passage to women and children.
The biggest cover-up of war crimes and massacres (even genocides) is the place of residence of our local venom spitter. If Srebrenica was a "genocide" then what about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Vietnam and others? After ten years, why hasn't the Dasht-e-Leili massacre been investigated? We are talking about thousands of Afghan POWs massacred with assistance of US and British forces. Who is covering up these war crimes? Whose media is silent?
As for survivors of Omarska? This was a refugee centre so why shouldn't anyone survive? Why did the Serbians allow Western media to enter the facility and freely film it? Here, watch and see how the "death camp" lies are exposed -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xox7TR11evI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEQpUlh51xU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPiAWbIbAyM
Now my friends, Joseph Goebbels would be proud of Western media lies and deception used against Serbians. It is sad though, that fascism is back on the rise. History repeats and I'm afraid the US has replaced the Germany of one hundred years ago. Just like Germany then, the US is on the verge of economic collapse while having the most advanced military.
lids wrote: "albanian scools ..they beleive"they are ilirians...beleive people". Believe me lids, your "emelentary scool" is so bad, especially for english classes.
tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 19 June 2011 18:31)
To your very disappointment the positions you take were not even the positions of the most frenetic Albanian terrorist supporters in the West in 1999!
Now,12 years later the government circles in the West and its people see who the the real war mongers and fascists are:
Albanians who through the demographic weapon of outpopulating and terrorizing want to steal other peoples territory!
And no lies,no babbling about Milosevic and an alleged plan to create a Greater Serbia will distract the world leaders from the Albanian fascist problem in the Balkans.
The time of the honeymoon of Albanians with the West is over,Kosovo is still Serbian according to UN1244,it is barred from all organizations(UNO,NATO,EU) and it is slowly loosing Western support(IMF loan not granted etc.)
And it is going to stay that way!
And not to mention the geopolitic changes that will take place:with America and Europe basically bancrupt and China becoming the number 1 economy in 2015 we Serbs are going to get more and more support...
And for Republika Srpska,forget it dude,I know that your dream is a Muslim state of Bosnia with no Croats or Serbs or only with dhimmi status,but it is never going to happen:
we established a Republika Srpska which is enshrined in the Dayton accords and the Constitution and NOTHING is going to change that,even the West made it crystal clear to the Sarajevo mudjahedins a la Silajdzic and co. and they suddenly stopped moaning!
As for the Serbian government,its every 5 minute unccordinating changing position on most policy fields shows how disastrous and laughable this governemnt acts...
The leftist DS must leave the government!
What can I say?, the guy doesn't know what he's talking about, I guess that's what phantom ministers do. I wonder if he knows what his boss said 3-4 days ago.
This man should be insane, or extremely biased and unfair!!! Why is he concerned about something that albanians are not talking about at all, and it is absolutely not in the table as a posibility?? Or is it just preventive propaganda? Really, is also B92 falling into this???
the fascism that surfaced in the balkans during the 90s was something quite ugly, quite frightening, and we are still seeing echoes of it, ala bogdanovic and his types...
ciao!
tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 19 June 2011 18:31)
LOL Usually when people say things like "the truth shall set you free" it implies you know you're lying but are too stubborn to admit it. You're hysterical man! Do you really believe the stuff you write or are you purposefully trying to sound like a doofus? No wait, let me guess: you're paid to be here by someone, right?
“The illegal declaration of independence of Kosovo was only an initial step by Albanians in making the mosaic of the ‘Greater Albania’,” Bogdanović was quoted as saying.
ICJ ruled that nothing was illegal regarding Kosovo's independence.As for "Greater Albania" it is the Serbs that are pushing a little to hard lately in making it a reality.Tadic says"Greater Albania" is a political reality.Dacic says"Let's split Kosovo between Albania and Serbia".In case you Serbs haven't noticed that when Serbia is not good enough for Serbs it certainly not good enough for Albanians.Case in point Montenegro.Once again Serbs thinking they are outsmarting everybody.Whatever crazy ideas your politicians might have it will end up with more serbian territory being lost.
More fighting,with wich comes more coruption works fine for lot`s of albanians who are just so happy to send their kids abroad and let the stupid fight for them..
Someone should send albanian scools video of people actualy going on a moon,but who am i kidding..they beleive they are illirians how would they beleive people travel for vacation on a moon..
the fascism that surfaced in the balkans during the 90s was something quite ugly, quite frightening, and we are still seeing echoes of it, ala bogdanovic and his types...
ciao!
tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 19 June 2011 18:31)
Please explain how the current Serbian (or even Milosevic's government) is fascist? Milosevic was the force that prevented greater Serbia from being created, he prevwented Srpska and the Krajina from uniting with Serbia proper.
Please let me remind you who has
1. The worst human rights policy in Europe
2. Next to no media freedom
3. Leaders under investigation for orgasn trafficking
''Serbs are not hated by their neighbors, so Romania, Bulgaria & Hungary would not be affected by Greater Serbia, making it more practical to implement than Greater Albania.
(highduke, 19 June 2011 16:17) ''
Every country has a ''greater'' map, weren't the serbs who have been tryiang to create a greater serbia all the time and they failed? Now it is our turn to give it a try, i guess...as for Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania not being affected by Serbia...i would not be that sure,... Vojvodina, Banat, Western Outlands...
Actually, the ironic thing is that I have to agree with the Albanian/pro-Albanian posters here who have been saying that talks of partition of Kosovo by Belgrade are more supportive of a "Greater Albania" than anything coming out of Tirana or Pristina. If there's anyone to blame for spreading ideas of Greater Albania these days, look no further than Ivica Dacic, arguably the most powerful man in Serbia.
I'm going to go out on a limb, and here I'll freely admit I'm taking a lot on faith, that Bogdanovic's statement is part of a larger response to what I can imagine is him also being against partition of Kosovo. Something like, "Partition of Kosovo is a bad thing because it basically legitimizes a Greater Albanian state" or something like that. I might be too forgiving of him, but the man really needs to look more carefully at political development in the rest of Kosovo to see the virtual lack of any agreement or unity among its leaders outside stonewalling against Belgrade.
--Serbia has uncoordinated and laughable politics. Firstly the boss of this phantom minister declares that Greater Albania is political reality. Not 3 days after his declaration the phantom minister says that Greater Albania poses risk for his country and the region.
Then, both of them praise the "principal" stance of Serbian Government regarding this "issue". And then they both ask the International Community to regard the constitution of Serbia that they themselves violated (visa liberalization that do not include Kosovo is the best example) and still advocate its violation. How ridiculous!(Simpatiku, 19 June 2011 14:11)--
Ridiculously uncoordinated politics indeed. as far as laughable, they woud be in any nomal area but in the balkans, with belgrade, they are not very funny at all.
the era of milosevic-style politics has clearly returned to serbia, assuming it ever left. the fear-mongering, the outlandish accusations, the trumping up of an aggressive foreign policy in the name of "self-defense." it is all too familiar for those of us who lived thru the miserable 1990's.
and just because the present regime call themselves "democrats" instead of "socialists" (commie/ultra-nationalists) does not mean that they have changed their evil ways.
just because the blgd regime finally stopped harboring mass-murderer mladic (the serbian "hero" according to so many here) is no sign of progress. just another calculated, cynical manipulation expected to force the eu to commence membership proceedings. Now!
the eu needs to be crystal clear to the blg regime: no progress w/ membership until you make peace with yr neighbors. period. that means Kosova. that means Bosnia; no more support for the fascist clique in banja luka. that means the entire region. no more Greater Serbia -- that needs to finally die, now and forever.
AND, a coming to terms with the past. that means the acknowledging the genocide committed throughout Bosnia (not only Srebrenica!) and the paying out of reparations for the survivors and survivng family members of the 1000s and 1000s of victims. whatever their ethnicity, who gives a sh-t.
this means dealing honestly with serbia's genocidal war against the people of Kosova, and paying reparations to surviving victims and family members of the 1000s of victims.
and this means coming to terms with the missing, which for serbia means opening up and exhuming the remaining mass graves on its soil, and telling the truth about the mass industrialized burning of 100s, possibly 1000s of ethnic albanians by serb terror forces in the spring of 1999: http://bosniaks.net/prilog.php?pid=41966
My bosniak friend -- the "graduate" of omarska conc camp -- just read the report from cover to cover. although some of the details were new to him, he was completly non-plussed by the findings: "This is how they (the serb forces) operated in the 90s... hiding evidence (bodies) one way or another, and stealing whatever they could from the people, including and especially watches." (Seiko apparently was a favorite brand.) this was a specific reference to the description given to the hague tribunal by french nato forces of the piles of (ethnic albanian) clothes and ID documents found at Trepca, before they could all be properly "disposed."
one well-known american journalist had speculated that this wasn't the serbs' typical pattern. my frnd, who survived omarska and 2 other of their lovely camps, knows otherwise.
as for the report's very conscious comparisons between serb forces in the 90s and the behavior of the nazis in ww2 -- there are indeed numerous parallels. like making war against civilians. like organizing and carrying out mass killings of civilians. like spreading "racist" hatred in order to justify those mass killings. but the specific comparisons to the nazis in this context have to do with the cover-up of the atrocities: the 100s and 100s of mass graves (which are still being uncovered), and other methods of evidence disposal. like burning. people. in this case, presumably dead people, we can only pray.
and as for the trash-mouths always on the attack here -- it is true that the website always publishes you. you make for the usual temporary distraction, but that is all. you will not silence the truth, no matter how nasty, how vulgar you can get.
and yes, the truth shall set us free.
the fascism that surfaced in the balkans during the 90s was something quite ugly, quite frightening, and we are still seeing echoes of it, ala bogdanovic and his types...
Bra försök (Nice try) "Arn" (Rexhep?). Du glömde (You forgot) to Abanize Jan Guillou´s fictive character in good Albanian tradition and claim him to be a Shqipt by origin, why not try "ArnA"? Hehe, I heard that there are quite enough of you guys in Skåne (part of Sweden) to rename it "SkånA".....
(Skilda världar, Original Swede., 19 June 2011 15:59)
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(Skilda världar, Original Swede.,) Det har du alldeles rätt uti(You are absolute right in this) vi är i skilda världar( we are in different worlds) - enligt ordspråket( in accordance the word) - Vi päron sa Svinskiten(we Pears said the Swineshit).
Nejdå(Oh No) - det är jag som är den riktige Arn(it is i who are the real Arn)- Samo Sloga Srbine Spasava !.
If greater Albania posses risk to region why are you Serbs talking about greater Albania more than Albanians? Few weeks ago Boris Tadic said 'Serbs have no problems with greater Albania.'
By the way I don't remember Albania attacking its neighbors like Serbia did!
LOL Greater Albania? More like Greater Joke :) These people can't even take care of Albania itself, let alone some impoverished narco-colony called 'Kosova' This guy Bogdanovic ought to check out the Albanian gang-banging that happens in England and Germany.
I personally back for what they call Greater Albania. Also I back for Greater Serbia , Greater Hungary , Greater Bulgaria ect. People must have a right to reunite. But on the Balkans you cannot implement such an idealistic approach. You can’t touch the bricks in this wall cause it means only one thing – another war. We enjoy only 29% of the surface on this beautiful planet. So when one side becomes greater someone else is supposed to become smaller. I don’t think Montenegrins , Croatians , Romanians , Bosniaks or Macedonians would like this Pandora Box to be open. Neither do the great powers which influence the developments. Possibly only the USA would like to export another problem to come and help us to solve it.
Serbs are not hated by their neighbors, so Romania, Bulgaria & Hungary would not be affected by Greater Serbia, making it more practical to implement than Greater Albania.
The concept of a "Greater Albania" is talked about more in Belgrade than it is in Tirana and Pristina... aka fear-mongering.
Comment - shall we believe that you have such intimate contacts with them that you know ?
Further -
This article on Bogdanovic is a perfect example of fear-mongering from Belgrade.
(Ian, UK, 19 June 2011 15:42)
Comment - Could be regarding the Fear but your comment is also of fear - for what will happen in the future - when you policy in the Balkans will fail - and the new War will erupt.
Ataman
You always manage to surprise me with how low you get. How would you feel if I reply with: Any number of Jews in Europe "smaller" or "greater" has the same risk feature built-in.
Simpatiku
haha this is funny and crazy at the same. I beg you pardon minister but weren't you guys a couple days a go that were offering Albania to divide Kosova with Serbia?? Now you're saying that what you proposed were wrong and Albania was right that refused your offer?!! haha Serbia you're loosing credibility and you know how much important it is for a country to have credibility. How can someone trust you, when you change idea every day?? Every country in the region want to move forward,YOU make an EXCEPTION. You guys are not very good in making offerts.
"Minister: Greater Albania poses risk to region" Any Albania, "smaller" or "greater" has the same risk feature built-in.
(Ataman, 19 June 2011 13:57)
Ataman
You always manage to surprise me with how low you get. How would you feel if I reply with: Any number of Jews in Europe "smaller" or "greater" has the same risk feature built-in.
Bra försök (Nice try) "Arn" (Rexhep?). Du glömde (You forgot) to Abanize Jan Guillou´s fictive character in good Albanian tradition and claim him to be a Shqipt by origin, why not try "ArnA"? Hehe, I heard that there are quite enough of you guys in Skåne (part of Sweden) to rename it "SkånA".....
Ataman wrote: “Any Albania “smaller” or “greater” has the same risk”. Somehow, I could understand you if it was just for “greater” Albania, BUT for enemies of even “smaller” Albania then I wish you…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adgx9wt63NY
Arn.Sweden clearly doesn't understand the issue. How can Kosovo, wheither you consider it a nation or not, have the right to become part of greater albania when that is the wish of only one out of six nationalities? Perhaps you shouldn't soil Swedish culture with skewed opinions that doesn't have anything to do with Sweden?
(Jeb, 19 June 2011 14:14)
Comment - If the US and the EU has recognised Kosovo as Independent,
how can any of them Prevent or even Talk aginst the wish of two independent Nations as Albania and Kosovo to Join togheter ?.
The signature JEB seems to me to be an United Stater,
and shouldnt soil US culture with skewed opinions,
that doesn't have anything to do with US Old inherited Culture of Freedom?
There is a issue here no matter who is actually saying it, but looking at history even Albanians were stating a greater Albania.
So Serbia and countries like Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro are really worried that Greater Albania would be born.
Greater Albania why does it worry the other countries?
Answer to that question is simple you set a example that even within these countries which have substantial Albanian population could join in on the fun and expand it further than just Kosovo.
If a minority or majority in any country declares a area independant country and base the independance on the fact that they are a majority population and have the right to become a country then alot of places around of world (e.g. US/Texas with a large Mexican minority) would have the same right and sets a dangerous precedent.
Why are people dismissing this article as a politcal hotsteping when even after the withdrawel of JNA from Kosovo then the Political party adopted a Albanian flag. What 2 Albanian countries? come on.
I mean even Serbia and repulika srpska would have a plan already to join together as a larger state just incase BiH goes down the drain.
So even though the person stating it is not a very realiable but he does have a point.
BELGRADE -- Creation of a “Greater Albania” would harm not only Serbs but also other neighboring nations, Serbian Minister for Kosovo Goran Bogdanović has said ??
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Mr.Bogdanovic you are totally wrong on every level, cruel and ignorant!!!
Serbia has uncoordinated and laughable politics.
Firstly the boss of this phantom minister declares that Greater Albania is political reality.
Not 3 days after his declaration the phantom minister says that Greater Albania poses risk for his country and the region.
Then, both of them praise the "principal" stance of Serbian Government regarding this "issue". And then they both ask the International Community to regard the constitution of Serbia that they themselves violated (visa liberalization that do not include Kosovo is the best example) and still advocate its violation.
How ridiculous!
Arn.Sweden clearly doesn't understand the issue. How can Kosovo, wheither you consider it a nation or not, have the right to become part of greater albania when that is the wish of only one out of six nationalities? Perhaps you shouldn't soil Swedish culture with skewed opinions that doesn't have anything to do with Sweden?
How can ''greater Albania'' be a threat to neighbours when Kosovo and Albania together dosent become as big as Serbia ??
Greater Serbia is already created with Vojvodina and Sandzak so Serbia is a bigger threat to the region than albanians. And with the genocide on bosnian population ''Republica Srpska'' is created wich poses a more threat to the region. Both Albania and Kosovo have good relations with all neighbours and regional countrys. Can you say the same about Serbia having good relations with Croatia,Bosnia,Montenegro and Kosovo ???
So mr. Fake minister you cannot continue spreading your old style Milosevic propaganda because the international community already knows wich tree you falled from.
So I can see from the comments here that hate spreading continues by Albanians and Croatians who come here daily and do nothing for peace and reconciliation. All we are missing now is roberto spitting his venom.
the only ones of creating a bigger grater anything is Serbia by any way possible lies ,murder ethnic cleansing etc it has been going on for 100s of years and they still havent learned anything http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_war_crimes_in_the_Balkan_Wars . He reminds me of the quack Qaddafi when he said Al-Qaeda and young people taking drugs are against his bizarre murderous benevolent dictatorship.
The albanian commentator, presumably residing in Sweden, who calls himself "Arn.Sweden" (after a book by Jan ) Should learn both English and Swedish better in order to understand the subject matter....
You and Your Government has already lost Kosovo,
and there is nothing You and Your Government can do about it,
as the Puppets of the West You have become,
since Kosovo is Recognised By the US and EU.
And as Independent they have the right to join Albania.
You and Your Government are only Hypocits,
trying to hide this truth from the Serbian People,
so they shall not turn against you in Elections.
You are not Honest and Sincere before Your own People.
Serbs are not hated by their neighbors, so Romania, Bulgaria & Hungary would not be affected by Greater Serbia, making it more practical to implement than Greater Albania.
"Minister: Greater Albania poses risk to region" Any Albania, "smaller" or "greater" has the same risk feature built-in.
(Ataman, 19 June 2011 13:57)
Ataman
You always manage to surprise me with how low you get. How would you feel if I reply with: Any number of Jews in Europe "smaller" or "greater" has the same risk feature built-in.
Ataman
You always manage to surprise me with how low you get. How would you feel if I reply with: Any number of Jews in Europe "smaller" or "greater" has the same risk feature built-in.
Simpatiku
How can ''greater Albania'' be a threat to neighbours when Kosovo and Albania together dosent become as big as Serbia ??
Greater Serbia is already created with Vojvodina and Sandzak so Serbia is a bigger threat to the region than albanians. And with the genocide on bosnian population ''Republica Srpska'' is created wich poses a more threat to the region. Both Albania and Kosovo have good relations with all neighbours and regional countrys. Can you say the same about Serbia having good relations with Croatia,Bosnia,Montenegro and Kosovo ???
So mr. Fake minister you cannot continue spreading your old style Milosevic propaganda because the international community already knows wich tree you falled from.
So I can see from the comments here that hate spreading continues by Albanians and Croatians who come here daily and do nothing for peace and reconciliation. All we are missing now is roberto spitting his venom.
BELGRADE -- Creation of a “Greater Albania” would harm not only Serbs but also other neighboring nations, Serbian Minister for Kosovo Goran Bogdanović has said ??
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Mr.Bogdanovic you are totally wrong on every level, cruel and ignorant!!!
--Serbia has uncoordinated and laughable politics. Firstly the boss of this phantom minister declares that Greater Albania is political reality. Not 3 days after his declaration the phantom minister says that Greater Albania poses risk for his country and the region.
Then, both of them praise the "principal" stance of Serbian Government regarding this "issue". And then they both ask the International Community to regard the constitution of Serbia that they themselves violated (visa liberalization that do not include Kosovo is the best example) and still advocate its violation. How ridiculous!(Simpatiku, 19 June 2011 14:11)--
Ridiculously uncoordinated politics indeed. as far as laughable, they woud be in any nomal area but in the balkans, with belgrade, they are not very funny at all.
the era of milosevic-style politics has clearly returned to serbia, assuming it ever left. the fear-mongering, the outlandish accusations, the trumping up of an aggressive foreign policy in the name of "self-defense." it is all too familiar for those of us who lived thru the miserable 1990's.
and just because the present regime call themselves "democrats" instead of "socialists" (commie/ultra-nationalists) does not mean that they have changed their evil ways.
just because the blgd regime finally stopped harboring mass-murderer mladic (the serbian "hero" according to so many here) is no sign of progress. just another calculated, cynical manipulation expected to force the eu to commence membership proceedings. Now!
the eu needs to be crystal clear to the blg regime: no progress w/ membership until you make peace with yr neighbors. period. that means Kosova. that means Bosnia; no more support for the fascist clique in banja luka. that means the entire region. no more Greater Serbia -- that needs to finally die, now and forever.
AND, a coming to terms with the past. that means the acknowledging the genocide committed throughout Bosnia (not only Srebrenica!) and the paying out of reparations for the survivors and survivng family members of the 1000s and 1000s of victims. whatever their ethnicity, who gives a sh-t.
this means dealing honestly with serbia's genocidal war against the people of Kosova, and paying reparations to surviving victims and family members of the 1000s of victims.
and this means coming to terms with the missing, which for serbia means opening up and exhuming the remaining mass graves on its soil, and telling the truth about the mass industrialized burning of 100s, possibly 1000s of ethnic albanians by serb terror forces in the spring of 1999: http://bosniaks.net/prilog.php?pid=41966
My bosniak friend -- the "graduate" of omarska conc camp -- just read the report from cover to cover. although some of the details were new to him, he was completly non-plussed by the findings: "This is how they (the serb forces) operated in the 90s... hiding evidence (bodies) one way or another, and stealing whatever they could from the people, including and especially watches." (Seiko apparently was a favorite brand.) this was a specific reference to the description given to the hague tribunal by french nato forces of the piles of (ethnic albanian) clothes and ID documents found at Trepca, before they could all be properly "disposed."
one well-known american journalist had speculated that this wasn't the serbs' typical pattern. my frnd, who survived omarska and 2 other of their lovely camps, knows otherwise.
as for the report's very conscious comparisons between serb forces in the 90s and the behavior of the nazis in ww2 -- there are indeed numerous parallels. like making war against civilians. like organizing and carrying out mass killings of civilians. like spreading "racist" hatred in order to justify those mass killings. but the specific comparisons to the nazis in this context have to do with the cover-up of the atrocities: the 100s and 100s of mass graves (which are still being uncovered), and other methods of evidence disposal. like burning. people. in this case, presumably dead people, we can only pray.
and as for the trash-mouths always on the attack here -- it is true that the website always publishes you. you make for the usual temporary distraction, but that is all. you will not silence the truth, no matter how nasty, how vulgar you can get.
and yes, the truth shall set us free.
the fascism that surfaced in the balkans during the 90s was something quite ugly, quite frightening, and we are still seeing echoes of it, ala bogdanovic and his types...
the fascism that surfaced in the balkans during the 90s was something quite ugly, quite frightening, and we are still seeing echoes of it, ala bogdanovic and his types...
ciao!
tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 19 June 2011 18:31)
Please explain how the current Serbian (or even Milosevic's government) is fascist? Milosevic was the force that prevented greater Serbia from being created, he prevwented Srpska and the Krajina from uniting with Serbia proper.
Please let me remind you who has
1. The worst human rights policy in Europe
2. Next to no media freedom
3. Leaders under investigation for orgasn trafficking
If greater Albania posses risk to region why are you Serbs talking about greater Albania more than Albanians? Few weeks ago Boris Tadic said 'Serbs have no problems with greater Albania.'
By the way I don't remember Albania attacking its neighbors like Serbia did!
the only ones of creating a bigger grater anything is Serbia by any way possible lies ,murder ethnic cleansing etc it has been going on for 100s of years and they still havent learned anything http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_war_crimes_in_the_Balkan_Wars . He reminds me of the quack Qaddafi when he said Al-Qaeda and young people taking drugs are against his bizarre murderous benevolent dictatorship.
''Serbs are not hated by their neighbors, so Romania, Bulgaria & Hungary would not be affected by Greater Serbia, making it more practical to implement than Greater Albania.
(highduke, 19 June 2011 16:17) ''
Every country has a ''greater'' map, weren't the serbs who have been tryiang to create a greater serbia all the time and they failed? Now it is our turn to give it a try, i guess...as for Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania not being affected by Serbia...i would not be that sure,... Vojvodina, Banat, Western Outlands...
You and Your Government has already lost Kosovo,
and there is nothing You and Your Government can do about it,
as the Puppets of the West You have become,
since Kosovo is Recognised By the US and EU.
And as Independent they have the right to join Albania.
You and Your Government are only Hypocits,
trying to hide this truth from the Serbian People,
so they shall not turn against you in Elections.
You are not Honest and Sincere before Your own People.
haha this is funny and crazy at the same. I beg you pardon minister but weren't you guys a couple days a go that were offering Albania to divide Kosova with Serbia?? Now you're saying that what you proposed were wrong and Albania was right that refused your offer?!! haha Serbia you're loosing credibility and you know how much important it is for a country to have credibility. How can someone trust you, when you change idea every day?? Every country in the region want to move forward,YOU make an EXCEPTION. You guys are not very good in making offerts.
Serbia has uncoordinated and laughable politics.
Firstly the boss of this phantom minister declares that Greater Albania is political reality.
Not 3 days after his declaration the phantom minister says that Greater Albania poses risk for his country and the region.
Then, both of them praise the "principal" stance of Serbian Government regarding this "issue". And then they both ask the International Community to regard the constitution of Serbia that they themselves violated (visa liberalization that do not include Kosovo is the best example) and still advocate its violation.
How ridiculous!
Actually, the ironic thing is that I have to agree with the Albanian/pro-Albanian posters here who have been saying that talks of partition of Kosovo by Belgrade are more supportive of a "Greater Albania" than anything coming out of Tirana or Pristina. If there's anyone to blame for spreading ideas of Greater Albania these days, look no further than Ivica Dacic, arguably the most powerful man in Serbia.
I'm going to go out on a limb, and here I'll freely admit I'm taking a lot on faith, that Bogdanovic's statement is part of a larger response to what I can imagine is him also being against partition of Kosovo. Something like, "Partition of Kosovo is a bad thing because it basically legitimizes a Greater Albanian state" or something like that. I might be too forgiving of him, but the man really needs to look more carefully at political development in the rest of Kosovo to see the virtual lack of any agreement or unity among its leaders outside stonewalling against Belgrade.
the fascism that surfaced in the balkans during the 90s was something quite ugly, quite frightening, and we are still seeing echoes of it, ala bogdanovic and his types...
ciao!
tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 19 June 2011 18:31)
I'm damn sure you hear many echoes on everyday basis..
LOL Greater Albania? More like Greater Joke :) These people can't even take care of Albania itself, let alone some impoverished narco-colony called 'Kosova' This guy Bogdanovic ought to check out the Albanian gang-banging that happens in England and Germany.
No wait, let me guess: you're paid to be here by someone, right?
(Balkan Anthropologist, 19 June 2011 23:43)
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Good point but if I was that someone I'd have asked for a refund a long time ago. Billions have been spent attempting to convince Serbians (and the world) that somehow we were wrong but after two decades we are still here defending the truth. You can see by comment from the dividers and hate spreaders that they are getting evermore radical and desperate as time is running out.
Every side committed crimes so stop pointing fingers. I truly hope that one day the people of the Balkans will see through the divisions brought upon us by these powers and that we reconcile and live in harmony. Hate keeps the region backwards so why do so many keep pursuing this path? Truth and reconciliation is the way.
The albanian commentator, presumably residing in Sweden, who calls himself "Arn.Sweden" (after a book by Jan ) Should learn both English and Swedish better in order to understand the subject matter....
The concept of a "Greater Albania" is talked about more in Belgrade than it is in Tirana and Pristina... aka fear-mongering.
Comment - shall we believe that you have such intimate contacts with them that you know ?
Further -
This article on Bogdanovic is a perfect example of fear-mongering from Belgrade.
(Ian, UK, 19 June 2011 15:42)
Comment - Could be regarding the Fear but your comment is also of fear - for what will happen in the future - when you policy in the Balkans will fail - and the new War will erupt.
I personally back for what they call Greater Albania. Also I back for Greater Serbia , Greater Hungary , Greater Bulgaria ect. People must have a right to reunite. But on the Balkans you cannot implement such an idealistic approach. You can’t touch the bricks in this wall cause it means only one thing – another war. We enjoy only 29% of the surface on this beautiful planet. So when one side becomes greater someone else is supposed to become smaller. I don’t think Montenegrins , Croatians , Romanians , Bosniaks or Macedonians would like this Pandora Box to be open. Neither do the great powers which influence the developments. Possibly only the USA would like to export another problem to come and help us to solve it.
More fighting,with wich comes more coruption works fine for lot`s of albanians who are just so happy to send their kids abroad and let the stupid fight for them..
Someone should send albanian scools video of people actualy going on a moon,but who am i kidding..they beleive they are illirians how would they beleive people travel for vacation on a moon..
tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 19 June 2011 18:31)
To your very disappointment the positions you take were not even the positions of the most frenetic Albanian terrorist supporters in the West in 1999!
Now,12 years later the government circles in the West and its people see who the the real war mongers and fascists are:
Albanians who through the demographic weapon of outpopulating and terrorizing want to steal other peoples territory!
And no lies,no babbling about Milosevic and an alleged plan to create a Greater Serbia will distract the world leaders from the Albanian fascist problem in the Balkans.
The time of the honeymoon of Albanians with the West is over,Kosovo is still Serbian according to UN1244,it is barred from all organizations(UNO,NATO,EU) and it is slowly loosing Western support(IMF loan not granted etc.)
And it is going to stay that way!
And not to mention the geopolitic changes that will take place:with America and Europe basically bancrupt and China becoming the number 1 economy in 2015 we Serbs are going to get more and more support...
And for Republika Srpska,forget it dude,I know that your dream is a Muslim state of Bosnia with no Croats or Serbs or only with dhimmi status,but it is never going to happen:
we established a Republika Srpska which is enshrined in the Dayton accords and the Constitution and NOTHING is going to change that,even the West made it crystal clear to the Sarajevo mudjahedins a la Silajdzic and co. and they suddenly stopped moaning!
As for the Serbian government,its every 5 minute unccordinating changing position on most policy fields shows how disastrous and laughable this governemnt acts...
The leftist DS must leave the government!
Bra försök (Nice try) "Arn" (Rexhep?). Du glömde (You forgot) to Abanize Jan Guillou´s fictive character in good Albanian tradition and claim him to be a Shqipt by origin, why not try "ArnA"? Hehe, I heard that there are quite enough of you guys in Skåne (part of Sweden) to rename it "SkånA".....
(Skilda världar, Original Swede., 19 June 2011 15:59)
Comment -
(Skilda världar, Original Swede.,) Det har du alldeles rätt uti(You are absolute right in this) vi är i skilda världar( we are in different worlds) - enligt ordspråket( in accordance the word) - Vi päron sa Svinskiten(we Pears said the Swineshit).
Nejdå(Oh No) - det är jag som är den riktige Arn(it is i who are the real Arn)- Samo Sloga Srbine Spasava !.
Arn.Sweden clearly doesn't understand the issue. How can Kosovo, wheither you consider it a nation or not, have the right to become part of greater albania when that is the wish of only one out of six nationalities? Perhaps you shouldn't soil Swedish culture with skewed opinions that doesn't have anything to do with Sweden?
Ataman wrote: “Any Albania “smaller” or “greater” has the same risk”. Somehow, I could understand you if it was just for “greater” Albania, BUT for enemies of even “smaller” Albania then I wish you…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adgx9wt63NY
Arn.Sweden clearly doesn't understand the issue. How can Kosovo, wheither you consider it a nation or not, have the right to become part of greater albania when that is the wish of only one out of six nationalities? Perhaps you shouldn't soil Swedish culture with skewed opinions that doesn't have anything to do with Sweden?
(Jeb, 19 June 2011 14:14)
Comment - If the US and the EU has recognised Kosovo as Independent,
how can any of them Prevent or even Talk aginst the wish of two independent Nations as Albania and Kosovo to Join togheter ?.
The signature JEB seems to me to be an United Stater,
and shouldnt soil US culture with skewed opinions,
that doesn't have anything to do with US Old inherited Culture of Freedom?
the fascism that surfaced in the balkans during the 90s was something quite ugly, quite frightening, and we are still seeing echoes of it, ala bogdanovic and his types...
ciao!
tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 19 June 2011 18:31)
LOL Usually when people say things like "the truth shall set you free" it implies you know you're lying but are too stubborn to admit it. You're hysterical man! Do you really believe the stuff you write or are you purposefully trying to sound like a doofus? No wait, let me guess: you're paid to be here by someone, right?
“The illegal declaration of independence of Kosovo was only an initial step by Albanians in making the mosaic of the ‘Greater Albania’,” Bogdanović was quoted as saying.
ICJ ruled that nothing was illegal regarding Kosovo's independence.As for "Greater Albania" it is the Serbs that are pushing a little to hard lately in making it a reality.Tadic says"Greater Albania" is a political reality.Dacic says"Let's split Kosovo between Albania and Serbia".In case you Serbs haven't noticed that when Serbia is not good enough for Serbs it certainly not good enough for Albanians.Case in point Montenegro.Once again Serbs thinking they are outsmarting everybody.Whatever crazy ideas your politicians might have it will end up with more serbian territory being lost.
Bra försök (Nice try) "Arn" (Rexhep?). Du glömde (You forgot) to Abanize Jan Guillou´s fictive character in good Albanian tradition and claim him to be a Shqipt by origin, why not try "ArnA"? Hehe, I heard that there are quite enough of you guys in Skåne (part of Sweden) to rename it "SkånA".....
This man should be insane, or extremely biased and unfair!!! Why is he concerned about something that albanians are not talking about at all, and it is absolutely not in the table as a posibility?? Or is it just preventive propaganda? Really, is also B92 falling into this???
What can I say?, the guy doesn't know what he's talking about, I guess that's what phantom ministers do. I wonder if he knows what his boss said 3-4 days ago.
Tell me; Who are the real fascists.
(New Zealander, 19 June 2011 21:25)
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Actually, they are small fry fascists whereas their masters, just like the NAZIs, are the big fish. Srebrenica was very well investigated and exaggerated to the point of calling it a "genocide" and watering down the real genocides of WWII. I've never heard of a "genocide" that provides shelter and passage to women and children.
The biggest cover-up of war crimes and massacres (even genocides) is the place of residence of our local venom spitter. If Srebrenica was a "genocide" then what about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Vietnam and others? After ten years, why hasn't the Dasht-e-Leili massacre been investigated? We are talking about thousands of Afghan POWs massacred with assistance of US and British forces. Who is covering up these war crimes? Whose media is silent?
As for survivors of Omarska? This was a refugee centre so why shouldn't anyone survive? Why did the Serbians allow Western media to enter the facility and freely film it? Here, watch and see how the "death camp" lies are exposed -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xox7TR11evI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEQpUlh51xU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPiAWbIbAyM
Now my friends, Joseph Goebbels would be proud of Western media lies and deception used against Serbians. It is sad though, that fascism is back on the rise. History repeats and I'm afraid the US has replaced the Germany of one hundred years ago. Just like Germany then, the US is on the verge of economic collapse while having the most advanced military.
No I'm not from America. I'm born in Halmstad and currently live in Göteborg (Sweden for those that doesn't know). I have Serbian/croatian parents and consider myself a person of multiple nationalities. I don't see how I mention American culture in either my nick or my comment like you do with Swedish? Furthermore you avoided to comment on what I actually wrote, all you did was speculate about my origins...
You can be as suspicious as you like, believing I chose my residence based on political views is past suspicious however, it's paranoid. All you know about me is that I live in Göteborg and that I'm of Serbian and Croatian descent, and based on that you believe I am an Ustasa supporter? I repeat, paranoid.
The comment I made that I was talking about is that yes most EU countries have recognized Kosovo as independet, but if you look at the flag you can see that it has 6 stars, representing the countries 6 constitutional ethnicities. 5 out of 6 has no ties with albania. It's comparable with Bosnia, there is not one ethnicity there that can decide over the others. I don't see why the albanians should have that benefit, sure there are more of them but one of the things that the "government" in Pristina has promised is that the so-called country belongs to all of the people and that the wishes of everyone should be respected, or do you believe that is only true until they wish something that the Albanians do not?
There is a issue here no matter who is actually saying it, but looking at history even Albanians were stating a greater Albania.
So Serbia and countries like Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro are really worried that Greater Albania would be born.
Greater Albania why does it worry the other countries?
Answer to that question is simple you set a example that even within these countries which have substantial Albanian population could join in on the fun and expand it further than just Kosovo.
If a minority or majority in any country declares a area independant country and base the independance on the fact that they are a majority population and have the right to become a country then alot of places around of world (e.g. US/Texas with a large Mexican minority) would have the same right and sets a dangerous precedent.
Why are people dismissing this article as a politcal hotsteping when even after the withdrawel of JNA from Kosovo then the Political party adopted a Albanian flag. What 2 Albanian countries? come on.
I mean even Serbia and repulika srpska would have a plan already to join together as a larger state just incase BiH goes down the drain.
So even though the person stating it is not a very realiable but he does have a point.
lids wrote: "albanian scools ..they beleive"they are ilirians...beleive people". Believe me lids, your "emelentary scool" is so bad, especially for english classes.
Comment - If the US and the EU has recognised Kosovo as Independent,
how can any of them Prevent or even Talk aginst the wish of two independent Nations as Albania and Kosovo to Join togheter ?.
(Arn.Sweden., 20 June 2011 11:18)
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The EU has not recognised "Kosova" as independent. It is status neutral over the matter. Not all EU members have recognised "Kosova" and the same applies to NATO. The majority of UN members (where it really matters) do not recognise it either.
“It is well known that the ever since the 'Prizren League', the Albanians tend to create a 'Greater Albania' and this is nothing new. But… said Bogdanovic.
Wowow what a beautiful surprise. This statement of Bogdanovic proves one thing that Serbs have never wanted to admit. Albanians have always co-existed in the Balkan with other people.
“The illegal declaration of independence of Kosovo was only an initial step by Albanians in making the mosaic of the ‘Greater Albania’,” Bogdanović was quoted as saying.
It is not TRUEE mr. Bogdanovic.
The 'Prizren League', that was held at 1878 seems that Albanian issue is not resolved ever. At that time Albanian lands are divided into four states illegally. Since this development occurred terrible crimes against Albanians during the time when they had come from Ottoman Empire very backward and without any allies. With independence of Kosovo, has been corrected only part of this historical injustice. So it is good for the health of the Serbian state to understand and accept this fact.
Arn.Sweden clearly doesn't understand the issue. How can Kosovo, wheither you consider it a nation or not, have the right to become part of greater albania when that is the wish of only one out of six nationalities? Perhaps you shouldn't soil Swedish culture with skewed opinions that doesn't have anything to do with Sweden?
(Jeb, 19 June 2011 14:14)
Comment - If the US and the EU has recognised Kosovo as Independent,
how can any of them Prevent or even Talk aginst the wish of two independent Nations as Albania and Kosovo to Join togheter ?.
Seems as somthing is missing in understanding either by Jeb or me myself.
Well - living in Göteborg/Gothenburg in Sweden,
by one that is offspring of bouth Serbian and Croatian origin,
makes me suspicious,
since Gotenburgh is the Center of Croatians and their Refugee Ideology,
such as that of Ustasja.
The comment I made that I was talking about is that yes most EU countries have recognized Kosovo as independet, but if you look at the flag you can see that it has 6 stars, representing the countries 6 constitutional ethnicities. 5 out of 6 has no ties with albania
- have this signature JEB ever heard or Read about Domocracy,
a Ruling system where The Mayority Rules ?.
The Albanians is as everybody knows the Mayority in Kosovo.
Amazing what Smartheads there is.
No I will not waist more time with this for me to smart individual,
I am to disqualified to argue with him.
Again you chose some of my arguments to respond to and ignore the rest, did you not read what I wrote about Bosnia and the promises of the Pristina government?
Serbs are the majority in Serbia, that didn't stop albanians from unilaretally declaring independence did it? Seriosuly, all this from someone who said "Selfdeception is wery hard to overcome !" ?
The EU has not recognised "Kosova" as independent. It is status neutral over the matter. Not all EU members have recognised "Kosova" and the same applies to NATO. The majority of UN members (where it really matters) do not recognise it either.
(Zoran, 20 June 2011 21:49)
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The mayority of the EU members has Recognised Kosovo,
this holds true to Nato as well,
the only members in those organisations which has not,
are those with etnic minority problems themselves,
and those members opinions has no practical importance.
The Mayority of UN members opinion does not matter at all either,
it has no practical importance and it is the US who rules this organisation more or less.
PEACE AND RECONSILATION CAN ONLY BE FOUNDED ON RIGHTOUSNESS !.
Every side committed crimes so stop pointing fingers. I truly hope that one day the people of the Balkans will see through the divisions brought upon us by these powers and that we reconcile and live in harmony. Hate keeps the region backwards so why do so many keep pursuing this path? Truth and reconciliation is the way.
(Zoran, 20 June 2011 11:04)
Comment -
GOD is the Personification of RIGHTOUSNESS of TRUTH and RECONSILATION WHO says -
"Love thy Neighbour as tyself",
and the other side of this TRUTH is,
" With what Judgement and Measurie You Judge and Measuries,
should be Judged and Measuried to You again " !.
So -
How about the Genocide the Croatians and Muslims comitted against the Serbians, Jews and Gypsies in bouth Croatia and Bosnia during the Second World War ?.
This last Civil War was only the Continuanse of this Conflict,
So -
If RIGHTOUSNESS of TRUTH is the Foundation then Justice must be conducted,
and that has not been done as yet.
Time does not exist in GOD the Personification of TRUTH.
If time is considered,
then one deceives Oneself,
and separates TRUTH FROM TRUTH,
and the Lie has seized the TRUTH and Perverted it.
Again you chose some of my arguments to respond to and ignore the rest, did you not read what I wrote about Bosnia and the promises of the Pristina government?
Serbs are the majority in Serbia, that didn't stop albanians from unilaretally declaring independence did it? Seriosuly, all this from someone who said "Selfdeception is wery hard to overcome !" ?
(Jeb, 21 June 2011 07:42)
Comment -
What a smart man you are, what a Government in a Democracy promises, it can ignore,
and even be ruled out by the mayority of the People in an elecion,
as living in Sweden you ought to know this.
This article is about Kosovo and not about Bosnia,
and the Political situation in Bosnia divided,
is not as the one in Kosovo undivided.
And if you want to be serious,
the US and The West is against every further Separation and declaeation of independense,
bouth in Kosovo and Bosnia.
If such Independent declaration wold come forward,
War will ensue.
Alright Arn, I'm going to take a page out of your book now and do some assuptions. If I understand you correctly what you're saying is that the promises the Pristina government has made doesn't matter, even though they are the promises that got some countries to recognize the UDI. If the promises are broken should the recognitions then count?
Kosovo is nothing but an administrative line and you try to spin things so that democracy is applied to the areas where you think they should, but only there. Not entire Serbia, because then albanians wouldn't be a majority, but more than just areas where albanians live.
Ofcourse Bosnia is a different situation, I was merely highlighting one striking similarity. In Bosnia one people is not allowed to rule over the others. I don't see why that should be true in Kosovo. Well to tell you the truth I think Kosovo belongs to Serbia, but for the sake of argument let's say it's the newest democracy in the world. Why is it fair that so many people from different ethnicities all born in Serbia should be assimilated into another country that they don't want to belong to?
I haven't talked about further separation or declaration of independence, why bring it up?
Alright Arn, I'm going to take a page out of your book now and do some assuptions. If I understand you correctly what you're saying is that the promises the Pristina government has made doesn't matter, even though they are the promises that got some countries to recognize the UDI. If the promises are broken should the recognitions then count?
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Dont the signature JEB understand that the Kosovo Sqiptars only play along with the West as long they see fit ?.
They will break any promise they have made when and if they see a fit opportunity arise.
The Sqiptars in Kosovo do not want to live togheter with the Serbs,
why should they otherwise have started the Upprising and War in Kosovo ?.
The Albanian Population wants a unification with Albania,
and are prepered to wholly cleanse the Serbian province,
from everybody not Sqiptar.
They,the Sqiptars in Kosovo, Sandzhak, and those in Macedonia,
dont give a shit about Worldoppinion if they can unite to become Greater-Albania.
Those Humanitarian Leftwinger Democratic Socialists,
The Clintons/Obamas etc,etc,
the US and the West,
are only used as USEFULL IDIOTS by both the Sqiptars and the Psychopatic Egoistic Germany and Her former Puppets from the Second World War.
As according to me, this signature JEB, dont understand Politic, nor Worldpolitic,nor History,
and that everything Public and on the Surface in the Face of the Worldoppinion and Peoples,
are only for Show and a Dirty Game.
The rest of this Smartheads comments i will not bother to comment.
"As according to me, this signature JEB, dont understand Politic, nor Worldpolitic,nor History,
and that everything Public and on the Surface in the Face of the Worldoppinion and Peoples,
are only for Show and a Dirty Game."
According to me you don't understand my simple question. How about reading one more time. Take notes and break it down into little pieces if you have to. Then try to answer my questin without writing walls of irrelevant garbage who's sole purpose is to mask the fact that you don't even understand what the discussion is about...
Then try to answer my questin without writing walls of irrelevant garbage who's sole purpose is to mask the fact that you don't even understand what the discussion is about...
(Jeb, 21 June 2011 21:50)
Comment -
This is what i have been writing all this time,
this one doesnt understand that,
his questions has by my comments been answered all the time.
You have been answering imaginary questions, like for example when you talked about further separatism and declarations of independence. My questions however you have still to answer.
Ataman
You always manage to surprise me with how low you get. How would you feel if I reply with: Any number of Jews in Europe "smaller" or "greater" has the same risk feature built-in.
Simpatiku
--Serbia has uncoordinated and laughable politics. Firstly the boss of this phantom minister declares that Greater Albania is political reality. Not 3 days after his declaration the phantom minister says that Greater Albania poses risk for his country and the region.
Then, both of them praise the "principal" stance of Serbian Government regarding this "issue". And then they both ask the International Community to regard the constitution of Serbia that they themselves violated (visa liberalization that do not include Kosovo is the best example) and still advocate its violation. How ridiculous!(Simpatiku, 19 June 2011 14:11)--
Ridiculously uncoordinated politics indeed. as far as laughable, they woud be in any nomal area but in the balkans, with belgrade, they are not very funny at all.
the era of milosevic-style politics has clearly returned to serbia, assuming it ever left. the fear-mongering, the outlandish accusations, the trumping up of an aggressive foreign policy in the name of "self-defense." it is all too familiar for those of us who lived thru the miserable 1990's.
and just because the present regime call themselves "democrats" instead of "socialists" (commie/ultra-nationalists) does not mean that they have changed their evil ways.
just because the blgd regime finally stopped harboring mass-murderer mladic (the serbian "hero" according to so many here) is no sign of progress. just another calculated, cynical manipulation expected to force the eu to commence membership proceedings. Now!
the eu needs to be crystal clear to the blg regime: no progress w/ membership until you make peace with yr neighbors. period. that means Kosova. that means Bosnia; no more support for the fascist clique in banja luka. that means the entire region. no more Greater Serbia -- that needs to finally die, now and forever.
AND, a coming to terms with the past. that means the acknowledging the genocide committed throughout Bosnia (not only Srebrenica!) and the paying out of reparations for the survivors and survivng family members of the 1000s and 1000s of victims. whatever their ethnicity, who gives a sh-t.
this means dealing honestly with serbia's genocidal war against the people of Kosova, and paying reparations to surviving victims and family members of the 1000s of victims.
and this means coming to terms with the missing, which for serbia means opening up and exhuming the remaining mass graves on its soil, and telling the truth about the mass industrialized burning of 100s, possibly 1000s of ethnic albanians by serb terror forces in the spring of 1999: http://bosniaks.net/prilog.php?pid=41966
My bosniak friend -- the "graduate" of omarska conc camp -- just read the report from cover to cover. although some of the details were new to him, he was completly non-plussed by the findings: "This is how they (the serb forces) operated in the 90s... hiding evidence (bodies) one way or another, and stealing whatever they could from the people, including and especially watches." (Seiko apparently was a favorite brand.) this was a specific reference to the description given to the hague tribunal by french nato forces of the piles of (ethnic albanian) clothes and ID documents found at Trepca, before they could all be properly "disposed."
one well-known american journalist had speculated that this wasn't the serbs' typical pattern. my frnd, who survived omarska and 2 other of their lovely camps, knows otherwise.
as for the report's very conscious comparisons between serb forces in the 90s and the behavior of the nazis in ww2 -- there are indeed numerous parallels. like making war against civilians. like organizing and carrying out mass killings of civilians. like spreading "racist" hatred in order to justify those mass killings. but the specific comparisons to the nazis in this context have to do with the cover-up of the atrocities: the 100s and 100s of mass graves (which are still being uncovered), and other methods of evidence disposal. like burning. people. in this case, presumably dead people, we can only pray.
and as for the trash-mouths always on the attack here -- it is true that the website always publishes you. you make for the usual temporary distraction, but that is all. you will not silence the truth, no matter how nasty, how vulgar you can get.
and yes, the truth shall set us free.
the fascism that surfaced in the balkans during the 90s was something quite ugly, quite frightening, and we are still seeing echoes of it, ala bogdanovic and his types...
Serbs are not hated by their neighbors, so Romania, Bulgaria & Hungary would not be affected by Greater Serbia, making it more practical to implement than Greater Albania.
How can ''greater Albania'' be a threat to neighbours when Kosovo and Albania together dosent become as big as Serbia ??
Greater Serbia is already created with Vojvodina and Sandzak so Serbia is a bigger threat to the region than albanians. And with the genocide on bosnian population ''Republica Srpska'' is created wich poses a more threat to the region. Both Albania and Kosovo have good relations with all neighbours and regional countrys. Can you say the same about Serbia having good relations with Croatia,Bosnia,Montenegro and Kosovo ???
So mr. Fake minister you cannot continue spreading your old style Milosevic propaganda because the international community already knows wich tree you falled from.
If greater Albania posses risk to region why are you Serbs talking about greater Albania more than Albanians? Few weeks ago Boris Tadic said 'Serbs have no problems with greater Albania.'
By the way I don't remember Albania attacking its neighbors like Serbia did!
The albanian commentator, presumably residing in Sweden, who calls himself "Arn.Sweden" (after a book by Jan ) Should learn both English and Swedish better in order to understand the subject matter....
the fascism that surfaced in the balkans during the 90s was something quite ugly, quite frightening, and we are still seeing echoes of it, ala bogdanovic and his types...
ciao!
tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 19 June 2011 18:31)
Please explain how the current Serbian (or even Milosevic's government) is fascist? Milosevic was the force that prevented greater Serbia from being created, he prevwented Srpska and the Krajina from uniting with Serbia proper.
Please let me remind you who has
1. The worst human rights policy in Europe
2. Next to no media freedom
3. Leaders under investigation for orgasn trafficking
Bra försök (Nice try) "Arn" (Rexhep?). Du glömde (You forgot) to Abanize Jan Guillou´s fictive character in good Albanian tradition and claim him to be a Shqipt by origin, why not try "ArnA"? Hehe, I heard that there are quite enough of you guys in Skåne (part of Sweden) to rename it "SkånA".....
So I can see from the comments here that hate spreading continues by Albanians and Croatians who come here daily and do nothing for peace and reconciliation. All we are missing now is roberto spitting his venom.
LOL Greater Albania? More like Greater Joke :) These people can't even take care of Albania itself, let alone some impoverished narco-colony called 'Kosova' This guy Bogdanovic ought to check out the Albanian gang-banging that happens in England and Germany.
haha this is funny and crazy at the same. I beg you pardon minister but weren't you guys a couple days a go that were offering Albania to divide Kosova with Serbia?? Now you're saying that what you proposed were wrong and Albania was right that refused your offer?!! haha Serbia you're loosing credibility and you know how much important it is for a country to have credibility. How can someone trust you, when you change idea every day?? Every country in the region want to move forward,YOU make an EXCEPTION. You guys are not very good in making offerts.
There is a issue here no matter who is actually saying it, but looking at history even Albanians were stating a greater Albania.
So Serbia and countries like Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro are really worried that Greater Albania would be born.
Greater Albania why does it worry the other countries?
Answer to that question is simple you set a example that even within these countries which have substantial Albanian population could join in on the fun and expand it further than just Kosovo.
If a minority or majority in any country declares a area independant country and base the independance on the fact that they are a majority population and have the right to become a country then alot of places around of world (e.g. US/Texas with a large Mexican minority) would have the same right and sets a dangerous precedent.
Why are people dismissing this article as a politcal hotsteping when even after the withdrawel of JNA from Kosovo then the Political party adopted a Albanian flag. What 2 Albanian countries? come on.
I mean even Serbia and repulika srpska would have a plan already to join together as a larger state just incase BiH goes down the drain.
So even though the person stating it is not a very realiable but he does have a point.
You and Your Government has already lost Kosovo,
and there is nothing You and Your Government can do about it,
as the Puppets of the West You have become,
since Kosovo is Recognised By the US and EU.
And as Independent they have the right to join Albania.
You and Your Government are only Hypocits,
trying to hide this truth from the Serbian People,
so they shall not turn against you in Elections.
You are not Honest and Sincere before Your own People.
the only ones of creating a bigger grater anything is Serbia by any way possible lies ,murder ethnic cleansing etc it has been going on for 100s of years and they still havent learned anything http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_war_crimes_in_the_Balkan_Wars . He reminds me of the quack Qaddafi when he said Al-Qaeda and young people taking drugs are against his bizarre murderous benevolent dictatorship.
"Minister: Greater Albania poses risk to region" Any Albania, "smaller" or "greater" has the same risk feature built-in.
(Ataman, 19 June 2011 13:57)
Ataman
You always manage to surprise me with how low you get. How would you feel if I reply with: Any number of Jews in Europe "smaller" or "greater" has the same risk feature built-in.
No wait, let me guess: you're paid to be here by someone, right?
(Balkan Anthropologist, 19 June 2011 23:43)
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Good point but if I was that someone I'd have asked for a refund a long time ago. Billions have been spent attempting to convince Serbians (and the world) that somehow we were wrong but after two decades we are still here defending the truth. You can see by comment from the dividers and hate spreaders that they are getting evermore radical and desperate as time is running out.
Every side committed crimes so stop pointing fingers. I truly hope that one day the people of the Balkans will see through the divisions brought upon us by these powers and that we reconcile and live in harmony. Hate keeps the region backwards so why do so many keep pursuing this path? Truth and reconciliation is the way.
More fighting,with wich comes more coruption works fine for lot`s of albanians who are just so happy to send their kids abroad and let the stupid fight for them..
Someone should send albanian scools video of people actualy going on a moon,but who am i kidding..they beleive they are illirians how would they beleive people travel for vacation on a moon..
tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 19 June 2011 18:31)
To your very disappointment the positions you take were not even the positions of the most frenetic Albanian terrorist supporters in the West in 1999!
Now,12 years later the government circles in the West and its people see who the the real war mongers and fascists are:
Albanians who through the demographic weapon of outpopulating and terrorizing want to steal other peoples territory!
And no lies,no babbling about Milosevic and an alleged plan to create a Greater Serbia will distract the world leaders from the Albanian fascist problem in the Balkans.
The time of the honeymoon of Albanians with the West is over,Kosovo is still Serbian according to UN1244,it is barred from all organizations(UNO,NATO,EU) and it is slowly loosing Western support(IMF loan not granted etc.)
And it is going to stay that way!
And not to mention the geopolitic changes that will take place:with America and Europe basically bancrupt and China becoming the number 1 economy in 2015 we Serbs are going to get more and more support...
And for Republika Srpska,forget it dude,I know that your dream is a Muslim state of Bosnia with no Croats or Serbs or only with dhimmi status,but it is never going to happen:
we established a Republika Srpska which is enshrined in the Dayton accords and the Constitution and NOTHING is going to change that,even the West made it crystal clear to the Sarajevo mudjahedins a la Silajdzic and co. and they suddenly stopped moaning!
As for the Serbian government,its every 5 minute unccordinating changing position on most policy fields shows how disastrous and laughable this governemnt acts...
The leftist DS must leave the government!
Arn.Sweden clearly doesn't understand the issue. How can Kosovo, wheither you consider it a nation or not, have the right to become part of greater albania when that is the wish of only one out of six nationalities? Perhaps you shouldn't soil Swedish culture with skewed opinions that doesn't have anything to do with Sweden?
BELGRADE -- Creation of a “Greater Albania” would harm not only Serbs but also other neighboring nations, Serbian Minister for Kosovo Goran Bogdanović has said ??
--??
Mr.Bogdanovic you are totally wrong on every level, cruel and ignorant!!!
Tell me; Who are the real fascists.
(New Zealander, 19 June 2011 21:25)
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Actually, they are small fry fascists whereas their masters, just like the NAZIs, are the big fish. Srebrenica was very well investigated and exaggerated to the point of calling it a "genocide" and watering down the real genocides of WWII. I've never heard of a "genocide" that provides shelter and passage to women and children.
The biggest cover-up of war crimes and massacres (even genocides) is the place of residence of our local venom spitter. If Srebrenica was a "genocide" then what about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Vietnam and others? After ten years, why hasn't the Dasht-e-Leili massacre been investigated? We are talking about thousands of Afghan POWs massacred with assistance of US and British forces. Who is covering up these war crimes? Whose media is silent?
As for survivors of Omarska? This was a refugee centre so why shouldn't anyone survive? Why did the Serbians allow Western media to enter the facility and freely film it? Here, watch and see how the "death camp" lies are exposed -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xox7TR11evI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEQpUlh51xU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPiAWbIbAyM
Now my friends, Joseph Goebbels would be proud of Western media lies and deception used against Serbians. It is sad though, that fascism is back on the rise. History repeats and I'm afraid the US has replaced the Germany of one hundred years ago. Just like Germany then, the US is on the verge of economic collapse while having the most advanced military.
Arn.Sweden clearly doesn't understand the issue. How can Kosovo, wheither you consider it a nation or not, have the right to become part of greater albania when that is the wish of only one out of six nationalities? Perhaps you shouldn't soil Swedish culture with skewed opinions that doesn't have anything to do with Sweden?
(Jeb, 19 June 2011 14:14)
Comment - If the US and the EU has recognised Kosovo as Independent,
how can any of them Prevent or even Talk aginst the wish of two independent Nations as Albania and Kosovo to Join togheter ?.
The signature JEB seems to me to be an United Stater,
and shouldnt soil US culture with skewed opinions,
that doesn't have anything to do with US Old inherited Culture of Freedom?
The concept of a "Greater Albania" is talked about more in Belgrade than it is in Tirana and Pristina... aka fear-mongering.
Comment - shall we believe that you have such intimate contacts with them that you know ?
Further -
This article on Bogdanovic is a perfect example of fear-mongering from Belgrade.
(Ian, UK, 19 June 2011 15:42)
Comment - Could be regarding the Fear but your comment is also of fear - for what will happen in the future - when you policy in the Balkans will fail - and the new War will erupt.
I personally back for what they call Greater Albania. Also I back for Greater Serbia , Greater Hungary , Greater Bulgaria ect. People must have a right to reunite. But on the Balkans you cannot implement such an idealistic approach. You can’t touch the bricks in this wall cause it means only one thing – another war. We enjoy only 29% of the surface on this beautiful planet. So when one side becomes greater someone else is supposed to become smaller. I don’t think Montenegrins , Croatians , Romanians , Bosniaks or Macedonians would like this Pandora Box to be open. Neither do the great powers which influence the developments. Possibly only the USA would like to export another problem to come and help us to solve it.
''Serbs are not hated by their neighbors, so Romania, Bulgaria & Hungary would not be affected by Greater Serbia, making it more practical to implement than Greater Albania.
(highduke, 19 June 2011 16:17) ''
Every country has a ''greater'' map, weren't the serbs who have been tryiang to create a greater serbia all the time and they failed? Now it is our turn to give it a try, i guess...as for Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania not being affected by Serbia...i would not be that sure,... Vojvodina, Banat, Western Outlands...
Serbia has uncoordinated and laughable politics.
Firstly the boss of this phantom minister declares that Greater Albania is political reality.
Not 3 days after his declaration the phantom minister says that Greater Albania poses risk for his country and the region.
Then, both of them praise the "principal" stance of Serbian Government regarding this "issue". And then they both ask the International Community to regard the constitution of Serbia that they themselves violated (visa liberalization that do not include Kosovo is the best example) and still advocate its violation.
How ridiculous!
lids wrote: "albanian scools ..they beleive"they are ilirians...beleive people". Believe me lids, your "emelentary scool" is so bad, especially for english classes.
Bra försök (Nice try) "Arn" (Rexhep?). Du glömde (You forgot) to Abanize Jan Guillou´s fictive character in good Albanian tradition and claim him to be a Shqipt by origin, why not try "ArnA"? Hehe, I heard that there are quite enough of you guys in Skåne (part of Sweden) to rename it "SkånA".....
(Skilda världar, Original Swede., 19 June 2011 15:59)
Comment -
(Skilda världar, Original Swede.,) Det har du alldeles rätt uti(You are absolute right in this) vi är i skilda världar( we are in different worlds) - enligt ordspråket( in accordance the word) - Vi päron sa Svinskiten(we Pears said the Swineshit).
Nejdå(Oh No) - det är jag som är den riktige Arn(it is i who are the real Arn)- Samo Sloga Srbine Spasava !.
the fascism that surfaced in the balkans during the 90s was something quite ugly, quite frightening, and we are still seeing echoes of it, ala bogdanovic and his types...
ciao!
tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 19 June 2011 18:31)
LOL Usually when people say things like "the truth shall set you free" it implies you know you're lying but are too stubborn to admit it. You're hysterical man! Do you really believe the stuff you write or are you purposefully trying to sound like a doofus? No wait, let me guess: you're paid to be here by someone, right?
the fascism that surfaced in the balkans during the 90s was something quite ugly, quite frightening, and we are still seeing echoes of it, ala bogdanovic and his types...
ciao!
tung. roberto frisco
(roberto, 19 June 2011 18:31)
I'm damn sure you hear many echoes on everyday basis..
Arn.Sweden clearly doesn't understand the issue. How can Kosovo, wheither you consider it a nation or not, have the right to become part of greater albania when that is the wish of only one out of six nationalities? Perhaps you shouldn't soil Swedish culture with skewed opinions that doesn't have anything to do with Sweden?
(Jeb, 19 June 2011 14:14)
Comment - If the US and the EU has recognised Kosovo as Independent,
how can any of them Prevent or even Talk aginst the wish of two independent Nations as Albania and Kosovo to Join togheter ?.
Seems as somthing is missing in understanding either by Jeb or me myself.
Well - living in Göteborg/Gothenburg in Sweden,
by one that is offspring of bouth Serbian and Croatian origin,
makes me suspicious,
since Gotenburgh is the Center of Croatians and their Refugee Ideology,
such as that of Ustasja.
Ataman wrote: “Any Albania “smaller” or “greater” has the same risk”. Somehow, I could understand you if it was just for “greater” Albania, BUT for enemies of even “smaller” Albania then I wish you…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adgx9wt63NY
What can I say?, the guy doesn't know what he's talking about, I guess that's what phantom ministers do. I wonder if he knows what his boss said 3-4 days ago.
This man should be insane, or extremely biased and unfair!!! Why is he concerned about something that albanians are not talking about at all, and it is absolutely not in the table as a posibility?? Or is it just preventive propaganda? Really, is also B92 falling into this???
You can be as suspicious as you like, believing I chose my residence based on political views is past suspicious however, it's paranoid. All you know about me is that I live in Göteborg and that I'm of Serbian and Croatian descent, and based on that you believe I am an Ustasa supporter? I repeat, paranoid.
The comment I made that I was talking about is that yes most EU countries have recognized Kosovo as independet, but if you look at the flag you can see that it has 6 stars, representing the countries 6 constitutional ethnicities. 5 out of 6 has no ties with albania. It's comparable with Bosnia, there is not one ethnicity there that can decide over the others. I don't see why the albanians should have that benefit, sure there are more of them but one of the things that the "government" in Pristina has promised is that the so-called country belongs to all of the people and that the wishes of everyone should be respected, or do you believe that is only true until they wish something that the Albanians do not?
Actually, the ironic thing is that I have to agree with the Albanian/pro-Albanian posters here who have been saying that talks of partition of Kosovo by Belgrade are more supportive of a "Greater Albania" than anything coming out of Tirana or Pristina. If there's anyone to blame for spreading ideas of Greater Albania these days, look no further than Ivica Dacic, arguably the most powerful man in Serbia.
I'm going to go out on a limb, and here I'll freely admit I'm taking a lot on faith, that Bogdanovic's statement is part of a larger response to what I can imagine is him also being against partition of Kosovo. Something like, "Partition of Kosovo is a bad thing because it basically legitimizes a Greater Albanian state" or something like that. I might be too forgiving of him, but the man really needs to look more carefully at political development in the rest of Kosovo to see the virtual lack of any agreement or unity among its leaders outside stonewalling against Belgrade.
“The illegal declaration of independence of Kosovo was only an initial step by Albanians in making the mosaic of the ‘Greater Albania’,” Bogdanović was quoted as saying.
ICJ ruled that nothing was illegal regarding Kosovo's independence.As for "Greater Albania" it is the Serbs that are pushing a little to hard lately in making it a reality.Tadic says"Greater Albania" is a political reality.Dacic says"Let's split Kosovo between Albania and Serbia".In case you Serbs haven't noticed that when Serbia is not good enough for Serbs it certainly not good enough for Albanians.Case in point Montenegro.Once again Serbs thinking they are outsmarting everybody.Whatever crazy ideas your politicians might have it will end up with more serbian territory being lost.
No I'm not from America. I'm born in Halmstad and currently live in Göteborg (Sweden for those that doesn't know). I have Serbian/croatian parents and consider myself a person of multiple nationalities. I don't see how I mention American culture in either my nick or my comment like you do with Swedish? Furthermore you avoided to comment on what I actually wrote, all you did was speculate about my origins...
The EU has not recognised "Kosova" as independent. It is status neutral over the matter. Not all EU members have recognised "Kosova" and the same applies to NATO. The majority of UN members (where it really matters) do not recognise it either.
(Zoran, 20 June 2011 21:49)
Comment -
The mayority of the EU members has Recognised Kosovo,
this holds true to Nato as well,
the only members in those organisations which has not,
are those with etnic minority problems themselves,
and those members opinions has no practical importance.
The Mayority of UN members opinion does not matter at all either,
it has no practical importance and it is the US who rules this organisation more or less.
The comment I made that I was talking about is that yes most EU countries have recognized Kosovo as independet, but if you look at the flag you can see that it has 6 stars, representing the countries 6 constitutional ethnicities. 5 out of 6 has no ties with albania
- have this signature JEB ever heard or Read about Domocracy,
a Ruling system where The Mayority Rules ?.
The Albanians is as everybody knows the Mayority in Kosovo.
Amazing what Smartheads there is.
No I will not waist more time with this for me to smart individual,
I am to disqualified to argue with him.
Comment - If the US and the EU has recognised Kosovo as Independent,
how can any of them Prevent or even Talk aginst the wish of two independent Nations as Albania and Kosovo to Join togheter ?.
(Arn.Sweden., 20 June 2011 11:18)
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The EU has not recognised "Kosova" as independent. It is status neutral over the matter. Not all EU members have recognised "Kosova" and the same applies to NATO. The majority of UN members (where it really matters) do not recognise it either.
PEACE AND RECONSILATION CAN ONLY BE FOUNDED ON RIGHTOUSNESS !.
Every side committed crimes so stop pointing fingers. I truly hope that one day the people of the Balkans will see through the divisions brought upon us by these powers and that we reconcile and live in harmony. Hate keeps the region backwards so why do so many keep pursuing this path? Truth and reconciliation is the way.
(Zoran, 20 June 2011 11:04)
Comment -
GOD is the Personification of RIGHTOUSNESS of TRUTH and RECONSILATION WHO says -
"Love thy Neighbour as tyself",
and the other side of this TRUTH is,
" With what Judgement and Measurie You Judge and Measuries,
should be Judged and Measuried to You again " !.
So -
How about the Genocide the Croatians and Muslims comitted against the Serbians, Jews and Gypsies in bouth Croatia and Bosnia during the Second World War ?.
This last Civil War was only the Continuanse of this Conflict,
So -
If RIGHTOUSNESS of TRUTH is the Foundation then Justice must be conducted,
and that has not been done as yet.
Time does not exist in GOD the Personification of TRUTH.
If time is considered,
then one deceives Oneself,
and separates TRUTH FROM TRUTH,
and the Lie has seized the TRUTH and Perverted it.
“It is well known that the ever since the 'Prizren League', the Albanians tend to create a 'Greater Albania' and this is nothing new. But… said Bogdanovic.
Wowow what a beautiful surprise. This statement of Bogdanovic proves one thing that Serbs have never wanted to admit. Albanians have always co-existed in the Balkan with other people.
“The illegal declaration of independence of Kosovo was only an initial step by Albanians in making the mosaic of the ‘Greater Albania’,” Bogdanović was quoted as saying.
It is not TRUEE mr. Bogdanovic.
The 'Prizren League', that was held at 1878 seems that Albanian issue is not resolved ever. At that time Albanian lands are divided into four states illegally. Since this development occurred terrible crimes against Albanians during the time when they had come from Ottoman Empire very backward and without any allies. With independence of Kosovo, has been corrected only part of this historical injustice. So it is good for the health of the Serbian state to understand and accept this fact.
Again you chose some of my arguments to respond to and ignore the rest, did you not read what I wrote about Bosnia and the promises of the Pristina government?
Serbs are the majority in Serbia, that didn't stop albanians from unilaretally declaring independence did it? Seriosuly, all this from someone who said "Selfdeception is wery hard to overcome !" ?
(Jeb, 21 June 2011 07:42)
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What a smart man you are, what a Government in a Democracy promises, it can ignore,
and even be ruled out by the mayority of the People in an elecion,
as living in Sweden you ought to know this.
This article is about Kosovo and not about Bosnia,
and the Political situation in Bosnia divided,
is not as the one in Kosovo undivided.
And if you want to be serious,
the US and The West is against every further Separation and declaeation of independense,
bouth in Kosovo and Bosnia.
If such Independent declaration wold come forward,
War will ensue.
Again you chose some of my arguments to respond to and ignore the rest, did you not read what I wrote about Bosnia and the promises of the Pristina government?
Serbs are the majority in Serbia, that didn't stop albanians from unilaretally declaring independence did it? Seriosuly, all this from someone who said "Selfdeception is wery hard to overcome !" ?
Alright Arn, I'm going to take a page out of your book now and do some assuptions. If I understand you correctly what you're saying is that the promises the Pristina government has made doesn't matter, even though they are the promises that got some countries to recognize the UDI. If the promises are broken should the recognitions then count?
Kosovo is nothing but an administrative line and you try to spin things so that democracy is applied to the areas where you think they should, but only there. Not entire Serbia, because then albanians wouldn't be a majority, but more than just areas where albanians live.
Ofcourse Bosnia is a different situation, I was merely highlighting one striking similarity. In Bosnia one people is not allowed to rule over the others. I don't see why that should be true in Kosovo. Well to tell you the truth I think Kosovo belongs to Serbia, but for the sake of argument let's say it's the newest democracy in the world. Why is it fair that so many people from different ethnicities all born in Serbia should be assimilated into another country that they don't want to belong to?
I haven't talked about further separation or declaration of independence, why bring it up?
Alright Arn, I'm going to take a page out of your book now and do some assuptions. If I understand you correctly what you're saying is that the promises the Pristina government has made doesn't matter, even though they are the promises that got some countries to recognize the UDI. If the promises are broken should the recognitions then count?
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Dont the signature JEB understand that the Kosovo Sqiptars only play along with the West as long they see fit ?.
They will break any promise they have made when and if they see a fit opportunity arise.
The Sqiptars in Kosovo do not want to live togheter with the Serbs,
why should they otherwise have started the Upprising and War in Kosovo ?.
The Albanian Population wants a unification with Albania,
and are prepered to wholly cleanse the Serbian province,
from everybody not Sqiptar.
They,the Sqiptars in Kosovo, Sandzhak, and those in Macedonia,
dont give a shit about Worldoppinion if they can unite to become Greater-Albania.
Those Humanitarian Leftwinger Democratic Socialists,
The Clintons/Obamas etc,etc,
the US and the West,
are only used as USEFULL IDIOTS by both the Sqiptars and the Psychopatic Egoistic Germany and Her former Puppets from the Second World War.
As according to me, this signature JEB, dont understand Politic, nor Worldpolitic,nor History,
and that everything Public and on the Surface in the Face of the Worldoppinion and Peoples,
are only for Show and a Dirty Game.
The rest of this Smartheads comments i will not bother to comment.
"As according to me, this signature JEB, dont understand Politic, nor Worldpolitic,nor History,
and that everything Public and on the Surface in the Face of the Worldoppinion and Peoples,
are only for Show and a Dirty Game."
According to me you don't understand my simple question. How about reading one more time. Take notes and break it down into little pieces if you have to. Then try to answer my questin without writing walls of irrelevant garbage who's sole purpose is to mask the fact that you don't even understand what the discussion is about...
Then try to answer my questin without writing walls of irrelevant garbage who's sole purpose is to mask the fact that you don't even understand what the discussion is about...
(Jeb, 21 June 2011 21:50)
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This is what i have been writing all this time,
this one doesnt understand that,
his questions has by my comments been answered all the time.
You have been answering imaginary questions, like for example when you talked about further separatism and declarations of independence. My questions however you have still to answer.
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