"United States rejects division of Kosovo"

Ha, there you have the answer about division of Kosovo. If the almighty USA says something that's it folks that's why we choose USA as our ally. God bless USA and we kosovars love United States of America.

"A division would have regional consequences. We think that it would be negative for the entire region. The Balkans that would be based on drawing borders around every ethnic group would be a recipe for misery. And that is not something that we support," Gordon explained."

The Yankees just contradicted themselves. Wasn't "Kosova" formed on the basis of ethnicity with its Albanian majority?

"Ha, there you have the answer about division of Kosovo. If the almighty USA says something that's it folks that's why we choose USA as our ally. God bless USA and we kosovars love United States of America.
(Mendo, 17 June 2011 10:52)"

I would suggest that you acquaint yourself with the history of South Vietnam .... they were finally betrayed in 1975 .... by guess who!

This yank firstly goes to Belgrade to preach about the need to bring more Serbian war criminals to The Hague and to parrot the coded cliché of “good neighbourly relations”. He then heads off to Serbia’s southern city of Pristina to hobnob with the KLA’s Hashim “the snake” Thaci. The same Thaci, who is strongly alleged to have been a key figure in human organ trading crimes, as presented in Dick Marty’s report. The same Thaci who is also cited within Nato intelligence, as being the crime boss of Kosovo. It’s truly amazing how Washington makes no attempt to mask the stench of its hypocrisy. Still, I'm sure Thaci has been an impeccable host to his American chum, as with his other guests.

http://www.juliagorin.com/images/KOSOVO_ORGAN_DINER.JPG

just look at the level that serbia plumbed.
from kosova is our cradle ,our soul,our jerusalem,kosovo je serbie, to can I have a just the north.

So what! I'm an American and I reject Kosovo's non-negotiated independence. I may not be in the government, but the more people there are like me, the more support Serbia knows it has outside its borders. It strengthens their resolve.
The BS about re-drawing borders is so inane that I cannot believe it's being peddled. SO, let me get this straight: You re-drew borders and now are saying one shouldn't re-draw borders? That's akin to stealing a piece of candy and then proclaiming that it's illegal to steal candy. Morons.

My country says a lot of things that don't end up being implemented anymore. Canned statements from second-tier State Department officials are a constant reminder of Washington's rigidity and obsolete outlook on current developments around the world. America has all but placed Kosovo's fate in the hands of the EU, which will undoubtedly compromise its internal sovereignty for the sake of regional stability, so talks about whether "partition" is acceptable or not is really irrelevant since northern Kosovo has remained out of Pristina's control since before 1999. The persistence of keeping northern Kosovo within the current "borders" may very well weaken the overall structure since a dual administration closely tied to Belgrade will remain in force.

I see a great similarity with the EU policy regarding Greek insolvancy. The EU keeps wasting money in order to avoid the conclusion that Greece is broke. Recognizing that Greece is broke and needs a debt resccheduling entails risks for the financial system. But waiting makes the problem only bigger.

Similarly the US and the EU keep up an unsustainable system of ethnic relations in the Balkans. That system has high running costs what keeps harming the region: Kosovo's statusproblems, Bosnia's troubles and Macedonia's name problems that to me seem mainly an effort to divert the attention from the inner ethnic problems. One day the unavoidable will happen and this system will break down. But by then the region will have suffered a lot of damage. And unlike a closely monitored transition now such a transition might happen sudden and unregulated at a time when the world is occupied with other concerns.

So Gordon is not avoiding problems. He is merely delaying them so that not he but his successors will have to deal with them.

I was right again except it's not the Balkans that the US is worried about but claims by Mexico to the southern US.
(highduke, 17 June 2011 12:38)

Really, don't you see what's happening in Mexico? Mexico is a failed country.

The US have their hands full now don't they.
The US don't support the partition because they have realised the amount of corruption and abuse of power from the Albanian majority government politians actually have harmed Kosovo and the amount of money spent in this country has gone down the drain and continues to do so.
I believe slowly the Kosovo government will eventually buckle under the pressure and become part of Serbia.
You can see that Kosovo will never be able to function as a independant state because of their leaders are corrupt, influenced by Albania proper, some are accused of being criminals, it's stubborness to work with other ethnic groups in the state and region, emigration of Kosovo Albanians due to the poor work opportunities etc.

"The same Thaci, who is strongly alleged to have been a key figure in human organ trading crimes, as presented in Dick Marty’s report."

Oh no, the incompetent Serbs cant understand the word "alleged", well who cares about their foolish behavior like kids.



"[link] Julia Gorin
(Ultan, 17 June 2011 13:03)"

God, are you still using miss gorins friends brothers sisters friend cousins who lives in Serbia, for "evidence"?

You deserve to be in the dark, what else can you say when you learn from that info.

I was right again except it's not the Balkans that the US is worried about but claims by Mexico to the southern US.

"A division would have regional consequences. We think that it would be negative for the entire region. The Balkans that would be based on drawing borders around every ethnic group would be a recipe for misery. And that is not something that we support," Gordon explained.

Comment -

Was not this separation of different shall we call it etnic groups,
the cause and reason,
for which the West took their stance in the War.

And now the opposite,
instead to go the whole way and divide the Etnocitys,
so each Etnocity can live for themsalves,
now shall they be mixed and so it will create a new War.

Amazin what king of folishness and doubbleness there is in the West.

Arn.Sweden.

The US is already a failed country compared to its 20th century past and it's on its way to being the failed country Mexico is bc the power of the Latino lobby in securing pourous borders hastens the process, so rest assured the US is more concerned about claims by Mexico than giving Mitrovica to the Serbs.

"Really, don't you see what's happening in Mexico? Mexico is a failed country."

ivan

And Kosovo is not?
(MikeC, 17 June 2011 18:52)


No, MikeC. Because Kosovo is far from a country. You can't be a country just because YOU want it to be like that.

My 5 bedroom house has declared independence from the rest of the United States...wooohoooo


GTFO of here :)

''The Yankees just contradicted themselves. Wasn't "Kosova" formed on the basis of ethnicity with its Albanian majority?
(lowe, 17 June 2011 11:19) ''

1974 borders that Tito draw...were not ethnic. They also included serbs. I wonder with what logic, serbian communists gave authonomy to Kosovo...every country, from ottoman experience, knows that autonomy means indipendence. On the other hand, Tito had no choise, if he did not give autonomy to Kosovo ,Jugoslavia would disintegrate sooner than the 90s...when was the Croatian Spring?

"Really, don't you see what's happening in Mexico? Mexico is a failed country."

ivan

And Kosovo is not?

important thing is that he was standing next to thaci while talking about organ trade..hey big head "said Gordon to thaci",you know your head is ours whenever we want it..so be a big boy and keep that big head of yours down..chopping is coming..

Ha, there you have the answer about division of Kosovo. If the almighty USA says something that's it folks that's why we choose USA as our ally. God bless USA and we kosovars love United States of America.
(Mendo, 17 June 2011 10:52)

Hitching your horse to and ex-Empire with 14 trillion dollars of debt, no foreseeable plan of paying it off (unlike the much maligned euroweenies) and has a good chance of imploding politically if nothing changes soon?

Beggars only get the crumbs.

Nothing like backing the wrong side. Again. 1941 redux?

Stolen land from serbia !

What's wrong what Julia Gorin writes? She is 99% right on. Maybe 99% was an underestimate...
She is the one who saves the face of Jews after cloaca-output made in Foggy Frisco.

In light of some comments I've just read,can anyone honestly predict that it's imminent that relations between Kosovo and United States will one day become strained or truly strained? I personally don't want it to occur and also whether the Kosovar government is corrupt or not, the reality is that Kosovo is not a wealthy state (no offense to Kosovars especially to the patriotic types.) One more statement which is that I personally don't want to see the severing of relations Kosovo must be maintaining with Canada and Great Britain.

[link]
(Ultan, 17 June 2011 13:03)

Nasty picture. Can't be surprised, there is no Gorin without gore. Hopefully, the families of the missing Serbs will not see that some failed depressed woman in America is showing such disrespect for the missing. She's gone too far. You have gone too far too Ultan by posting that crap. B92 as well for allowing it.

Next war in the Mideast will make the US and EU occupied with that crisis.

Then Albania will come for Kosovo,
Croatia backed by Austria and Germany will come for Bosnia,
Hungary backed by Germany will come for Vojvodina.

And this current Serbian Government would be - !.

Arn.Sweden.

"1974 borders that Tito draw...were not ethnic. They also included serbs. I wonder with what logic, serbian communists gave authonomy to Kosovo...every country, from ottoman experience, knows that autonomy means indipendence. On the other hand, Tito had no choise, if he did not give autonomy to Kosovo ,Jugoslavia would disintegrate sooner than the 90s...when was the Croatian Spring?
(epiroti, 17 June 2011 20:40) "

Tito's 1974 borders not ethnic, and yet contained big majority Albanian in Kosovo's case? What kind of doubletalk are you attempting?

If Kosovo's borders are "not ethnic" just becasue you can find some Serbs inside, then there would be practically no ethnic-based borders in this entire world. Because I don't think there is any country or region in the world with a 100% ethnically pure population.

"According to jugoslavian census (that serbians carried out themselves, it is in official belgrade archives go and look before calling me a liar) in the 70s there were 30% serbs, other minorities 5% and the rest albanians, majority yes, but not ethnically made borders...if theere were ethnical borders , why did Tito leave out Teovo , presevo and malsia? hose borders were put to balance he albanians and serbs, just like stalin did in soviet union...you really can't win with serbs, it has been 30 years they are saying that in 1980 serbs were 90% in kosovo and albanians 10 % bu high birth of albanians and emigration from E hoxha albania changed the presence of ethnicites, no you say that Albanians have historically been a majority in kosovo...
(iliri, 18 June 2011 20:06)"

iliri, can you show me some credible proof that the Serbs in fact did claim to be a 90% majority in Kosovo in 1980? This claim is obviously so arithmetically ridiculous that I don't think any Serb/Serbian in his/her right mind would make it. So unless you are able to back what you wrote with actual proof, I will have to treat what you wrote as unreliable.

My initial point was that Philip Gordon's words that "The Balkans that would be based on drawing borders around every ethnic group would be a recipe for misery. And that is not something that we support," smacks of hypocrisy and doubletalk because "Kosova" itself was a creation of the West based mainly on ethnicity. The majority Albanians in Kosovo wanted independence because they don't want to live with the majority Serbs in all of Serbia -- so the K-Albanians' reason for creating "Kosova" was basically ethnic. Hence the West already supported the creation of borders based on ethnicity in Feb 2008 and that is why I said that Gordon spoke with a forked tongue.

I have no idea why Tito left did not touch those parts of Serbia that you mentioned. His reasons however are not relevant to my point that the West had created new ethnic borders in "Kosova" in 2008.

aldo most or all Serbs are againts the partition of the province but the US opinion is a Hypocrisy at the highest!! Kosovo will always be a Serbian province!

Tito's 1974 borders not ethnic, and yet contained big majority Albanian in Kosovo's case? What kind of doubletalk are you attempting?

''If Kosovo's borders are "not ethnic" just becasue you can find some Serbs inside, then there would be practically no ethnic-based borders in this entire world. Because I don't think there is any country or region in the world with a 100% ethnically pure population.
(lowe, 18 June 2011 02:05) ''

According to jugoslavian census (that serbians carried out themselves, it is in official belgrade archives go and look before calling me a liar) in the 70s there were 30% serbs, other minorities 5% and the rest albanians, majority yes, but not ethnically made borders...if theere were ethnical borders , why did Tito leave out Teovo , presevo and malsia? hose borders were put to balance he albanians and serbs, just like stalin did in soviet union...you really can't win with serbs, it has been 30 years they are saying that in 1980 serbs were 90% in kosovo and albanians 10 % bu high birth of albanians and emigration from E hoxha albania changed the presence of ethnicites, no you say that Albanians have historically been a majority in kosovo...

Lowe, if tito did not give autonomy to Albanians, he would have the chance to see Jugoslavia dissolve. I have heard that Croats consider the Albanian students as the pioneers of destruction of jugoslavia, and they are very grateful we opened their eyes...

"Once again, west created nothing, the borders of Kosovo were drawn in 1974, wether you view them as ''west creation'' or not, it is your understanding, how can you create sth that was already there? of course, Kosovo , being a a strong albanian majority, was the main reason that Kosovo secceded, afterall they wouldn't seccede if they all were serbs, or would they? I ve already mention this, but may i remind that Milosevic broke the same yugoslavian laws and constitution, and a wide range of international laws in 80s and 90s in kosovo?......revoking auttonomy was a fatal move, now serbs acuse us for braking the international law..it was serbs that broke the international law at first place by rolling tanks in kosovo. Plus, the ICJ stated sound and clear, Kosovo unilateral seccession did not violate international laws...As for the ethnic borders, be certain that we find the idea rather thrilling, serbia gets north of iber, we get tetovo, malsia, ulqin, oher, half of skopje, presevo and who knows, novipazar might join us as well...and all of this for half of mitrovica...bulgarians would want back the western outlands most probably, hungarians would probably look for their lands in vojvodina...serbia would theoritecally and practically lose..."

And once again, the 1974 border of Tito's was for the Serbian province of Kosovo. The disputed 2008 border was for the "state" of "Kosova" which the West supported, The border line is the same but it is now a "STATE" border (that is disuputed) which did not exist prior to 2008. And its an ethnic-based border because it encircles the huge Albanian majority there. My point was that Gordon was hypocritical when he talked about being against the creation of new "STATE" borders around ethinic lines when his country already supported the creation of one in 2008.

I didn't know that Skopje is in Serbia ..... but that's irrrelevant. And don't forget that Strpce is majority Serb too.

Also, I wanted to point out to you that the ICJ's opinion was that Kosovo's declaration did not violate international law, it did not opine whether Kosovo is entitled to statehood. So the Eskimos in Alaska can probably also declare their udi from USA and not violate international law too. Also take note that the ICJ passed a non-binding opinion in Kosovo's case and NOT a binding ruling.

Ari Gold

That's what I ment. Ivan claimed Mexico to be a failed country. My point was that Kosovo was a failed country as well.

"United States rejects division of Kosovo".

The US and Nato has created a situation Halfway,
that can only be solved by another War.
And if The US dont Change and take the stance of Srbia,
they will see their and their allies sacrifices against both their and the then Serbias foes in the first and second World War being lost.

Arn.Sweden.

''"Kosova" itself was a creation of the West based mainly on ethnicity. The majority Albanians in Kosovo wanted independence because they don't want to live with the majority Serbs in all of Serbia -- so the K-Albanians' reason for creating "Kosova" was basically ethnic. Hence the West already supported the creation of borders based on ethnicity in Feb 2008 and that is why I said that Gordon spoke with a forked tongue.

I have no idea why Tito left did not touch those parts of Serbia that you mentioned. His reasons however are not relevant to my point that the West had created new ethnic borders in "Kosova" in 2008.''

Once again, west created nothing, the borders of Kosovo were drawn in 1974, wether you view them as ''west creation'' or not, it is your understanding, how can you create sth that was already there? of course, Kosovo , being a a strong albanian majority, was the main reason that Kosovo secceded, afterall they wouldn't seccede if they all were serbs, or would they? I ve already mention this, but may i remind that Milosevic broke the same yugoslavian laws and constitution, and a wide range of international laws in 80s and 90s in kosovo?......revoking auttonomy was a fatal move, now serbs acuse us for braking the international law..it was serbs that broke the international law at first place by rolling tanks in kosovo. Plus, the ICJ stated sound and clear, Kosovo unilateral seccession did not violate international laws...As for the ethnic borders, be certain that we find the idea rather thrilling, serbia gets north of iber, we get tetovo, malsia, ulqin, oher, half of skopje, presevo and who knows, novipazar might join us as well...and all of this for half of mitrovica...bulgarians would want back the western outlands most probably, hungarians would probably look for their lands in vojvodina...serbia would theoritecally and practically lose...

@pro-Serbia:

Saying Kosovo will always be a Serbian province is simply put your opinion,okay?

Ha, there you have the answer about division of Kosovo. If the almighty USA says something that's it folks that's why we choose USA as our ally. God bless USA and we kosovars love United States of America.

"A division would have regional consequences. We think that it would be negative for the entire region. The Balkans that would be based on drawing borders around every ethnic group would be a recipe for misery. And that is not something that we support," Gordon explained."

The Yankees just contradicted themselves. Wasn't "Kosova" formed on the basis of ethnicity with its Albanian majority?

"Ha, there you have the answer about division of Kosovo. If the almighty USA says something that's it folks that's why we choose USA as our ally. God bless USA and we kosovars love United States of America.
(Mendo, 17 June 2011 10:52)"

I would suggest that you acquaint yourself with the history of South Vietnam .... they were finally betrayed in 1975 .... by guess who!

So what! I'm an American and I reject Kosovo's non-negotiated independence. I may not be in the government, but the more people there are like me, the more support Serbia knows it has outside its borders. It strengthens their resolve.
The BS about re-drawing borders is so inane that I cannot believe it's being peddled. SO, let me get this straight: You re-drew borders and now are saying one shouldn't re-draw borders? That's akin to stealing a piece of candy and then proclaiming that it's illegal to steal candy. Morons.

The US is already a failed country compared to its 20th century past and it's on its way to being the failed country Mexico is bc the power of the Latino lobby in securing pourous borders hastens the process, so rest assured the US is more concerned about claims by Mexico than giving Mitrovica to the Serbs.

I was right again except it's not the Balkans that the US is worried about but claims by Mexico to the southern US.

The US have their hands full now don't they.
The US don't support the partition because they have realised the amount of corruption and abuse of power from the Albanian majority government politians actually have harmed Kosovo and the amount of money spent in this country has gone down the drain and continues to do so.
I believe slowly the Kosovo government will eventually buckle under the pressure and become part of Serbia.
You can see that Kosovo will never be able to function as a independant state because of their leaders are corrupt, influenced by Albania proper, some are accused of being criminals, it's stubborness to work with other ethnic groups in the state and region, emigration of Kosovo Albanians due to the poor work opportunities etc.

Ha, there you have the answer about division of Kosovo. If the almighty USA says something that's it folks that's why we choose USA as our ally. God bless USA and we kosovars love United States of America.
(Mendo, 17 June 2011 10:52)

Hitching your horse to and ex-Empire with 14 trillion dollars of debt, no foreseeable plan of paying it off (unlike the much maligned euroweenies) and has a good chance of imploding politically if nothing changes soon?

Beggars only get the crumbs.

Nothing like backing the wrong side. Again. 1941 redux?

My country says a lot of things that don't end up being implemented anymore. Canned statements from second-tier State Department officials are a constant reminder of Washington's rigidity and obsolete outlook on current developments around the world. America has all but placed Kosovo's fate in the hands of the EU, which will undoubtedly compromise its internal sovereignty for the sake of regional stability, so talks about whether "partition" is acceptable or not is really irrelevant since northern Kosovo has remained out of Pristina's control since before 1999. The persistence of keeping northern Kosovo within the current "borders" may very well weaken the overall structure since a dual administration closely tied to Belgrade will remain in force.

This yank firstly goes to Belgrade to preach about the need to bring more Serbian war criminals to The Hague and to parrot the coded cliché of “good neighbourly relations”. He then heads off to Serbia’s southern city of Pristina to hobnob with the KLA’s Hashim “the snake” Thaci. The same Thaci, who is strongly alleged to have been a key figure in human organ trading crimes, as presented in Dick Marty’s report. The same Thaci who is also cited within Nato intelligence, as being the crime boss of Kosovo. It’s truly amazing how Washington makes no attempt to mask the stench of its hypocrisy. Still, I'm sure Thaci has been an impeccable host to his American chum, as with his other guests.

http://www.juliagorin.com/images/KOSOVO_ORGAN_DINER.JPG

"A division would have regional consequences. We think that it would be negative for the entire region. The Balkans that would be based on drawing borders around every ethnic group would be a recipe for misery. And that is not something that we support," Gordon explained.

Comment -

Was not this separation of different shall we call it etnic groups,
the cause and reason,
for which the West took their stance in the War.

And now the opposite,
instead to go the whole way and divide the Etnocitys,
so each Etnocity can live for themsalves,
now shall they be mixed and so it will create a new War.

Amazin what king of folishness and doubbleness there is in the West.

Arn.Sweden.

"Really, don't you see what's happening in Mexico? Mexico is a failed country."

ivan

And Kosovo is not?

Stolen land from serbia !

What's wrong what Julia Gorin writes? She is 99% right on. Maybe 99% was an underestimate...
She is the one who saves the face of Jews after cloaca-output made in Foggy Frisco.

"The same Thaci, who is strongly alleged to have been a key figure in human organ trading crimes, as presented in Dick Marty’s report."

Oh no, the incompetent Serbs cant understand the word "alleged", well who cares about their foolish behavior like kids.



"[link] Julia Gorin
(Ultan, 17 June 2011 13:03)"

God, are you still using miss gorins friends brothers sisters friend cousins who lives in Serbia, for "evidence"?

You deserve to be in the dark, what else can you say when you learn from that info.

important thing is that he was standing next to thaci while talking about organ trade..hey big head "said Gordon to thaci",you know your head is ours whenever we want it..so be a big boy and keep that big head of yours down..chopping is coming..

"Really, don't you see what's happening in Mexico? Mexico is a failed country."

ivan

And Kosovo is not?
(MikeC, 17 June 2011 18:52)


No, MikeC. Because Kosovo is far from a country. You can't be a country just because YOU want it to be like that.

My 5 bedroom house has declared independence from the rest of the United States...wooohoooo


GTFO of here :)

I was right again except it's not the Balkans that the US is worried about but claims by Mexico to the southern US.
(highduke, 17 June 2011 12:38)

Really, don't you see what's happening in Mexico? Mexico is a failed country.

Next war in the Mideast will make the US and EU occupied with that crisis.

Then Albania will come for Kosovo,
Croatia backed by Austria and Germany will come for Bosnia,
Hungary backed by Germany will come for Vojvodina.

And this current Serbian Government would be - !.

Arn.Sweden.

I see a great similarity with the EU policy regarding Greek insolvancy. The EU keeps wasting money in order to avoid the conclusion that Greece is broke. Recognizing that Greece is broke and needs a debt resccheduling entails risks for the financial system. But waiting makes the problem only bigger.

Similarly the US and the EU keep up an unsustainable system of ethnic relations in the Balkans. That system has high running costs what keeps harming the region: Kosovo's statusproblems, Bosnia's troubles and Macedonia's name problems that to me seem mainly an effort to divert the attention from the inner ethnic problems. One day the unavoidable will happen and this system will break down. But by then the region will have suffered a lot of damage. And unlike a closely monitored transition now such a transition might happen sudden and unregulated at a time when the world is occupied with other concerns.

So Gordon is not avoiding problems. He is merely delaying them so that not he but his successors will have to deal with them.

just look at the level that serbia plumbed.
from kosova is our cradle ,our soul,our jerusalem,kosovo je serbie, to can I have a just the north.

In light of some comments I've just read,can anyone honestly predict that it's imminent that relations between Kosovo and United States will one day become strained or truly strained? I personally don't want it to occur and also whether the Kosovar government is corrupt or not, the reality is that Kosovo is not a wealthy state (no offense to Kosovars especially to the patriotic types.) One more statement which is that I personally don't want to see the severing of relations Kosovo must be maintaining with Canada and Great Britain.

[link]
(Ultan, 17 June 2011 13:03)

Nasty picture. Can't be surprised, there is no Gorin without gore. Hopefully, the families of the missing Serbs will not see that some failed depressed woman in America is showing such disrespect for the missing. She's gone too far. You have gone too far too Ultan by posting that crap. B92 as well for allowing it.

''The Yankees just contradicted themselves. Wasn't "Kosova" formed on the basis of ethnicity with its Albanian majority?
(lowe, 17 June 2011 11:19) ''

1974 borders that Tito draw...were not ethnic. They also included serbs. I wonder with what logic, serbian communists gave authonomy to Kosovo...every country, from ottoman experience, knows that autonomy means indipendence. On the other hand, Tito had no choise, if he did not give autonomy to Kosovo ,Jugoslavia would disintegrate sooner than the 90s...when was the Croatian Spring?

aldo most or all Serbs are againts the partition of the province but the US opinion is a Hypocrisy at the highest!! Kosovo will always be a Serbian province!

"1974 borders that Tito draw...were not ethnic. They also included serbs. I wonder with what logic, serbian communists gave authonomy to Kosovo...every country, from ottoman experience, knows that autonomy means indipendence. On the other hand, Tito had no choise, if he did not give autonomy to Kosovo ,Jugoslavia would disintegrate sooner than the 90s...when was the Croatian Spring?
(epiroti, 17 June 2011 20:40) "

Tito's 1974 borders not ethnic, and yet contained big majority Albanian in Kosovo's case? What kind of doubletalk are you attempting?

If Kosovo's borders are "not ethnic" just becasue you can find some Serbs inside, then there would be practically no ethnic-based borders in this entire world. Because I don't think there is any country or region in the world with a 100% ethnically pure population.

Tito's 1974 borders not ethnic, and yet contained big majority Albanian in Kosovo's case? What kind of doubletalk are you attempting?

''If Kosovo's borders are "not ethnic" just becasue you can find some Serbs inside, then there would be practically no ethnic-based borders in this entire world. Because I don't think there is any country or region in the world with a 100% ethnically pure population.
(lowe, 18 June 2011 02:05) ''

According to jugoslavian census (that serbians carried out themselves, it is in official belgrade archives go and look before calling me a liar) in the 70s there were 30% serbs, other minorities 5% and the rest albanians, majority yes, but not ethnically made borders...if theere were ethnical borders , why did Tito leave out Teovo , presevo and malsia? hose borders were put to balance he albanians and serbs, just like stalin did in soviet union...you really can't win with serbs, it has been 30 years they are saying that in 1980 serbs were 90% in kosovo and albanians 10 % bu high birth of albanians and emigration from E hoxha albania changed the presence of ethnicites, no you say that Albanians have historically been a majority in kosovo...

''"Kosova" itself was a creation of the West based mainly on ethnicity. The majority Albanians in Kosovo wanted independence because they don't want to live with the majority Serbs in all of Serbia -- so the K-Albanians' reason for creating "Kosova" was basically ethnic. Hence the West already supported the creation of borders based on ethnicity in Feb 2008 and that is why I said that Gordon spoke with a forked tongue.

I have no idea why Tito left did not touch those parts of Serbia that you mentioned. His reasons however are not relevant to my point that the West had created new ethnic borders in "Kosova" in 2008.''

Once again, west created nothing, the borders of Kosovo were drawn in 1974, wether you view them as ''west creation'' or not, it is your understanding, how can you create sth that was already there? of course, Kosovo , being a a strong albanian majority, was the main reason that Kosovo secceded, afterall they wouldn't seccede if they all were serbs, or would they? I ve already mention this, but may i remind that Milosevic broke the same yugoslavian laws and constitution, and a wide range of international laws in 80s and 90s in kosovo?......revoking auttonomy was a fatal move, now serbs acuse us for braking the international law..it was serbs that broke the international law at first place by rolling tanks in kosovo. Plus, the ICJ stated sound and clear, Kosovo unilateral seccession did not violate international laws...As for the ethnic borders, be certain that we find the idea rather thrilling, serbia gets north of iber, we get tetovo, malsia, ulqin, oher, half of skopje, presevo and who knows, novipazar might join us as well...and all of this for half of mitrovica...bulgarians would want back the western outlands most probably, hungarians would probably look for their lands in vojvodina...serbia would theoritecally and practically lose...

Ari Gold

That's what I ment. Ivan claimed Mexico to be a failed country. My point was that Kosovo was a failed country as well.

"According to jugoslavian census (that serbians carried out themselves, it is in official belgrade archives go and look before calling me a liar) in the 70s there were 30% serbs, other minorities 5% and the rest albanians, majority yes, but not ethnically made borders...if theere were ethnical borders , why did Tito leave out Teovo , presevo and malsia? hose borders were put to balance he albanians and serbs, just like stalin did in soviet union...you really can't win with serbs, it has been 30 years they are saying that in 1980 serbs were 90% in kosovo and albanians 10 % bu high birth of albanians and emigration from E hoxha albania changed the presence of ethnicites, no you say that Albanians have historically been a majority in kosovo...
(iliri, 18 June 2011 20:06)"

iliri, can you show me some credible proof that the Serbs in fact did claim to be a 90% majority in Kosovo in 1980? This claim is obviously so arithmetically ridiculous that I don't think any Serb/Serbian in his/her right mind would make it. So unless you are able to back what you wrote with actual proof, I will have to treat what you wrote as unreliable.

My initial point was that Philip Gordon's words that "The Balkans that would be based on drawing borders around every ethnic group would be a recipe for misery. And that is not something that we support," smacks of hypocrisy and doubletalk because "Kosova" itself was a creation of the West based mainly on ethnicity. The majority Albanians in Kosovo wanted independence because they don't want to live with the majority Serbs in all of Serbia -- so the K-Albanians' reason for creating "Kosova" was basically ethnic. Hence the West already supported the creation of borders based on ethnicity in Feb 2008 and that is why I said that Gordon spoke with a forked tongue.

I have no idea why Tito left did not touch those parts of Serbia that you mentioned. His reasons however are not relevant to my point that the West had created new ethnic borders in "Kosova" in 2008.

@pro-Serbia:

Saying Kosovo will always be a Serbian province is simply put your opinion,okay?

Lowe, if tito did not give autonomy to Albanians, he would have the chance to see Jugoslavia dissolve. I have heard that Croats consider the Albanian students as the pioneers of destruction of jugoslavia, and they are very grateful we opened their eyes...

"United States rejects division of Kosovo".

The US and Nato has created a situation Halfway,
that can only be solved by another War.
And if The US dont Change and take the stance of Srbia,
they will see their and their allies sacrifices against both their and the then Serbias foes in the first and second World War being lost.

Arn.Sweden.

"Once again, west created nothing, the borders of Kosovo were drawn in 1974, wether you view them as ''west creation'' or not, it is your understanding, how can you create sth that was already there? of course, Kosovo , being a a strong albanian majority, was the main reason that Kosovo secceded, afterall they wouldn't seccede if they all were serbs, or would they? I ve already mention this, but may i remind that Milosevic broke the same yugoslavian laws and constitution, and a wide range of international laws in 80s and 90s in kosovo?......revoking auttonomy was a fatal move, now serbs acuse us for braking the international law..it was serbs that broke the international law at first place by rolling tanks in kosovo. Plus, the ICJ stated sound and clear, Kosovo unilateral seccession did not violate international laws...As for the ethnic borders, be certain that we find the idea rather thrilling, serbia gets north of iber, we get tetovo, malsia, ulqin, oher, half of skopje, presevo and who knows, novipazar might join us as well...and all of this for half of mitrovica...bulgarians would want back the western outlands most probably, hungarians would probably look for their lands in vojvodina...serbia would theoritecally and practically lose..."

And once again, the 1974 border of Tito's was for the Serbian province of Kosovo. The disputed 2008 border was for the "state" of "Kosova" which the West supported, The border line is the same but it is now a "STATE" border (that is disuputed) which did not exist prior to 2008. And its an ethnic-based border because it encircles the huge Albanian majority there. My point was that Gordon was hypocritical when he talked about being against the creation of new "STATE" borders around ethinic lines when his country already supported the creation of one in 2008.

I didn't know that Skopje is in Serbia ..... but that's irrrelevant. And don't forget that Strpce is majority Serb too.

Also, I wanted to point out to you that the ICJ's opinion was that Kosovo's declaration did not violate international law, it did not opine whether Kosovo is entitled to statehood. So the Eskimos in Alaska can probably also declare their udi from USA and not violate international law too. Also take note that the ICJ passed a non-binding opinion in Kosovo's case and NOT a binding ruling.