Greece reacts strongly to Skopje statue plans

I am sick and tired of these Greeks.
Instead of getting their financial house in order and stop sucking us German taxpayers every half year of 100 billions of euros they have nothing better to do than to play their little nationalistic games over a statue and to strike all day!
Throw them out of the eurozone and let them go bancrupt,then they can strike and cry about statues being erected as long as they wish for all I care,but with their money ,not with mine...
(Angry German taxpayer, 16 June 2011 12:40)
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Your comment shows that you are either lacking basic knowledge in economics or trying to substantiate what you were posting yesterday under a different name.

Now let me clarify that the bailout monies from the EU and IMF are not going to Greece but to German and French banks that have been betting on the Greek debt.That's right, the banks, who are more culpable than the Greek people in creating this crisis. But the banks never lose. The taxpayer covers their losses, just as the taxpayer never gets to share in their profits.

As i said yesterday ,I can't see Greece defaulting yet - the costs are too high - but I could see Greece using the possibility of default to twist some arms. The real crisis will come if Portugal,Ireland or especially Spain or Italy get themselves into the same position. At some point the Eurozone won't be sustainable, and then all bets are off.

What you call "striking Greeks" i call it democracy in action,something the EU is lacking since its inception.The truth is the Greeks are refusing to be debt slaves and as an Ancient Greek reminds us;
"debt is the slavery of the free.."

There is not a lot that i could add to the actions of VMRO goverment in Fyrom which is nothing more than petty Bulgaro-nationalistic and engage in immature gesture politics which have pushed Fyrom quite few years backwards.Fyrom's dilemma is self-inflicted by trying to appropriate a historical name belonging to Greece and is forcing Gruevski to make territorial and cultural claims that are unfounded in order to comply with their propaganda.

The recent creation of their language is based on the the literary traditions of Krchovski,Pejchinivich,Capernkov all of whom insisted their language and culture was Bulgarian.Their history approaches the borders of ridicule when trying to show continuity from the ancient Macedonians to Tsar Samuel and Gotse Delchev.Now do we destroy those myths or live with them?

Well these radical Bulgarian speakinf factions have already decided to live with theit myths and lies to the constant amusement of the world.

I would personally like to thank the Greeks for helping expose this fantasy of one currency for all Europe, which was doomed to failure from the start. Greeks, Portuguese, Spanish, Italians...are not Germans, nor should they be forced to work and act like Germans. God, what a boring world it would be if we were all like them! There is more to life than work, I don't think Germans have figured this out yet.
The best solution for my Greek friends is to default on the debt, let the German, French and UK banks take the hit, get out of the Eurozone, bring back the Drachma, and live their lives they way they want to, not the way some Eurocrat from Brussels demands of them.
Cheers!!

For goodness sake, possibly the biggest piece of cultural theft ever to take place.

You can tell that there are a substantial number of albanains living in Macedonia. The macedonians are becoming the new troublemakers (after the albanains) in the Balkans. First they provoke Serbia by recognizing Kosovo and now they continue to upset Greece. If Serbia will have a difficult time joining the EU then Macedonia has as much chance as a snowball in hell.

Let it go! Everybody knows that Aleksander was a Serb anyway.

Germany owes us, we dont owe you
(Megadeth, 16 June 2011 13:29)

Yeah?You think so?
Just wait until the IMF makes you give away all your ports ,infrastructure and islands to foreigners through privatizations!
You think you are so smart screwing up whole Europe,but believe me,in the end you will end up being loosers!

If you are messing with with your debtors who happen to be the worlds biggest banks you won`t come out as a winner ,that is for sure!

For 20 years you led the good life,with 70% of Greeks "working" in the government sector and going into pension with 50 years while Northern Europeans work until 67!
As a consequence,for the next 200 years you will be slaves in your own country doing and listening to what foreigners will tell you!

Have much fun!

I am sick and tired of these Greeks.
Instead of getting their financial house in order and stop sucking us German taxpayers every half year of 100 billions of euros they have nothing better to do than to play their little nationalistic games over a statue and to strike all day!
Throw them out of the eurozone and let them go bancrupt,then they can strike and cry about statues being erected as long as they wish for all I care,but with their money ,not with mine...

Actually the biggest historical theft has been done by the Croats that had gone to China asking investments in the name of their most famous citizen....Marco Polo...

We call Macedonians Culture/history Pirates. Too bad they will have the same PM. They are bound to get dipper into s*** in the next 4 years...

Hasn't Greece got bigger things to worry about than a statue in a neighbouring country? Last I heard Greeks weren't happy with the economic situation in Greece and that the Government could collapse at any moment due to the protests and mass discontent.

Also I forgot Greece had a patent on Alexander the Great.

Our history that we have is far away from the truth!
Alexander the Great was Macedonian, And if i have it Right then he was Serbian!
Our history is written by enemies, so they write it in their own interest, like romans wrote the history of the people and nations they conquered!
Also much history was lost when the Library of Alexandria was burned down by the Romans.
The same for our Serbian History not much is know, at the same time much is lost, but i know that Etruscans where also Serbs and that they settled from Anatolia to Italy, around 700-800 BC so if they could go to Italy they couldn't go to the Balkans?
And the many similarities in the Serbian language with the Sanskrit language is also not coincidence.
So i Believe that (Slavs) have a more richer history that is known, but hey who wrote today's history.. 18th/19th C British/french/German Fantasy/mythology lovers who tried to know about their past,
But we can't even be sure what happened in WW2 and the Balkan wars in ex Yugoslavia, so how can you be sure about Alexander the great who lived 2000+ years ago!

The Greeks should sit down calmly with the Bulgarians, Albanians and Serbians and make a gentleman's agreement on how to divide FYROM and put an end to all this nonsense.

what a shame trying to still some other countrys history its not MACEDONIA ITS FYRUM and fyrum never have history the only history they have is jozeph broz tito get real ALEXANDER THE GREAT IS GREEK not fyrum

LOL Serbianized Bulgarians trying to steal Greek history.

Germany owes us, we dont owe you

Also I forgot Greece had a patent on Alexander the Great.
(Ian, UK, 16 June 2011 15:39)

They got it at the same time as their feta and Greek Style patent.

Alexander the Great was a killer, destroyer with a strong army. His army burned and killed one of the most advanced civilizations of that time. The capital of the Persian Empire had thousands of books which were lost to the barbarism of this army. It is not a coincidence that Hitler, Napoleon and others with dreams of conquest admired Alexander the Great. Bottom line is, being proud to be the descendants of a crazy man is very stupid.

Also I forgot Greece had a patent on Alexander the Great.
(Ian, UK, 16 June 2011 15:39)

Yes we do in exactly the same way as Britain has on Shakespeare,Adam Smith and Charles Darwin.What is wrong with that?

Read below:

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/234351

I think, both do it right. Makedonija should proclaim, it's the most Macedonian of all Macedonias and the statue should be not 12 but 21 meter high.

On the other hand, Greece should block Makedonija from NATO forever. Pity, FYROM can't block Greece out of NATO, that would be bad.

Otherwise name or not - the Macedonians of antique times were not of Slavic origin, they were "barbarians" in the sense not belong to the Greek city-states but of course they were hellenic as tribe and language.

Slavs were in other areas - for instance, in East Anatolia the Hittite language was fully decyphered by Polish researchers based on archaic Slavic roots.

But hey, if Skopje decides to claim Anatolia and take good care of turkey like some Ukrainians... I would not complain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSZJbhpy7ro

That clip should be shown in Makedonija 7/24 non-stop to remind them who is their enemy and how to celebrate the Thanksgiving.

I don't know whether Albert Speer would applaud or burst out laughing at the Skopje 2014 Project :)

do greeks claim aleks the great father,king philip of macedonia also ,or just his son, aleksander,as a greek?
thanks!

I agree with Zaza. Look at the historical facts Alexander was a butcher with large aspirations repeated many times afterwards in history.

do greeks claim aleks the great father,king philip of macedonia also ,or just his son, aleksander,as a greek?
thanks!
(delon, 16 June 2011 13:54

I don't know and I don't give damn.

Greeks will be greeks. I heard greeks claim Scanderbeg as their national hero, I would never protest if greeks ever erect Scanderbeg statue in Janina, or Ioannina...or even better, in Athens. I would be honored to see, Skanderbeg or Jorgos Kastriotis as greeks want him to be called, in Thessaloniki, Athens and Jannina... I was going to write a petition to serbian embassy to erect the Gjergj Kasrioti Skanderbeg in Nish, afer all he fought there twice (well the second time he couldn't reach the battlefield because of the serbian king loyalty to his daughter's husband) but i couldn't find any serb willingly to sign, even though they call our national hero as Ivan Kastrioti.

Back to the topic......i think that usually totallitarian states build statues of megalomaniac sizes or scales. Fyrom is a totalitarian state, a fake totalitarian state . A pseudo state and a pseudo nation that build a brand new church over valuable archeoligical site [weirdly they don't wanna find out about ancient wars ''their own ancestors''macedonians performed to take over those walls]. The issue is not wether Albanians there are muslims or whatever...try to build a church or a mosque inside a castle in Albania, and our state will destroy every single religious object and ban all the religions as a response... that is why the bearded old men wearing green and black towels and caps here keep their mouth shut and their head down, one wrong action and they get the deserved response. Those ancient walls are litlle what is left of our ancestors , wether our ancestors are illyrians, romans, macedonians, thraceans or greeks. Ancient Macedonians weren't even christians, they were pagans who worshiped the cult of the sun, the snake and the horse. I wonder how come a christian nation such as fyromians keep the cult of the sun as a flag, that is blasphemy. I hope they don't put an illyrian-roman-greek helmet on the knight... the cult of the horse has always been strong in the balkans, albanian warriors of midlle ages have been called as Kreshniks, a word which orginites from the hair of the horses, only the illyrians, greeks and romans used the horse hair in their helmets.

Even though he was born in present day Greek Macedonia/ Aegean Macedonia he still ruled over present day RoM/FYROM and if they want to celebrate him for historical reasons then fair play.

Also are ancient Greeks and contemporary Greeks the same ethnicity? Probably not, just like the ancient Bulgars are a different ethnicity to contemporary Bulgarians. Over the past 2,000+ years ethnicities have changed significantly so Alexander the Great was neither Greek-Macedonian nor was he Slavo-Macedonian. So why don't you both celebrate him for being an important historical figure in the South Balkans instead of being politically and Socially at each others throats. This is why the Balkans is such a stupid place, everyone in the Balkans lets their nationalist tendencies take over them. Everyone over-reacts and are very sensitive about things.

Lets take Alexander Graham Bell for example who invented the telephone, he was British/ Scottish however he later moved to Canada then the US. Canada and the US claim that the telephone is a Canadian or American invention even though he is originally British/ Scottish and everything he learned was at the University of Edinburgh and University College London. If the Yanks and the Canadian wish to claim that AGB was a Yank or Canadian then let them, I don't particularly care. I won't let nationalist tendencies take over, I wouldn't get get in a fuss about it.

Another example of a British legend, King Arthur. He is supposedly a Brythonic Prince, a Saxon King and a Roman General. If the Germans or Italians want to claim him as their own then let them, we wouldn't give a monkeys to be honest.
(Ian, UK, 17 June 2011 14:19)

Your knowledge in history is amazing.If you bothered to look at the link i posted you'll see that even skopje was not even part of the historical Macedonia let alone today's fyrom.You try to equate between ancient Greeks and ancient Bulgarians.Well there are no ancient Bulgarians because they arrived at the Balkans 1000 years later.Therefore,trying to connect the Bulgarians with ancient Macedonians shows either utter propaganda on your behalf( very strange for someone that claims English heritage) or total ignorance.In light of the present state of knowledge,based on the enormous archaeological wealth and plethora of historic sources,modern historiography universally accepts the conclusion that ancient Macedonians were Greeks.

Although no modern nation can fully identify with antiquity one can still see the historical continuity of the Greek nation through the Byzantine empire(language & culture was Greek)and their preservation until today.

That cannot be said about fyrom that only managed to devise a Bulgarian dialect as its official language after world war II.Only recently the EU,under pressure from Bulgaria, changed the status of their artificial language.

You refer to "Aegean Macedonia" a term used in certain Borat sites and Slav MK pseudo-historians(Risto)which any third-rate history student knows is an oxymoron.For the Greeks there is only one macedonia,the Greek modern one that covers 91% of the historical one.

I personally have no problem with the statue of Alexander in Skopje.The problem i have is the propaganda that is used by the education system and the goverment of fyrom.That is the myth of "the annexation" of Macedonia to the Greek state.The Greeks won what was rightfully"theirs" on the battlefield against the forces of the Ottoman empire and their agents.The same could be said about the kingdom of Serbs that "annexed" today's fyrom the land they subsequently dubbed Vardaska Banovina.

(professeur lenard admirer, 17 June 2011 18:57)

The angry German taxpayer is another coward like yourself that posts under a ficticious name not because he has something informative to say but to score points against the Greeks.Few months ago the angry german was a US citizen proud to have served in US military and recently an angry German taxpayer allegedly upset for paying for the Greek bailout.

Regarding the banking crisis,it seems to me that you've been in deliberate hibernation the last three years and you remember only the Greek bailout but not the US,UK,German,French,Irish,Portugese,Spanish to name a few.I have mentioned before that German taxpayers haven't spent a single euro for the Greek bailout.Instead eurozone countries have provided guarantees for the creation of a bailout fund which helped countries like Greece,Ireland and Portugal to get out of the crisis.

Your understanding of history resembles the views of the fyromian barbers and garbage collectors of the diaspora.Your analogy of fyrom with egypt is a revisionist one.The Egyptians have a history of 5000 years whereas our Bulgarian speaking northen neighbours arrived in 700 AD.So much for continuity with ancient Macedonia.As you're probably aware an independent group of scholars from all over the world banded together to refute these revisionist claims by sending a letter to president Obamand underlying the unflagging efforts of Skopjans to usurp Greek history for political goals.They developed and launched a website to facilitate participation by other faculty worldwide: "Macedonia Evidence. Searching for Historic Truth." (http://macedonia-evidence.org/)

To shed new evidence concerning this and other controversies why not convene an international conference of scholars and historians having expertise on the Balkans, or, perhaps some people do not wish to learn the truth.

1. If anyone thinks the dispute over Alexander the Great is a big deal, then they should look at the dispute over U2 Guitarist "The Edge". He was born in London to Welsh Parents but moved to Ireland at young age.

So is The Edge?
A) English because he was born in London
B) Welsh because he was born to Welsh parents
C) Irish because he was raised in Ireland and is in U2

I think a three-way-war is going to emerge between England, Ireland and Wales due to them all claiming "The Edge" as their own. I think this is a more serious dispute than Balkan people claiming Alexander the Great.
(Ian, UK, 17 June 2011 14:27)

Yeah U2 guitarist is more important than Alexander the Great:)

Well then Alexander is definetely Greek because

a)Because he was born in currenly Greek land
b)Because he's Father (king Phyllip) was Greek
c)Because he was raised as a Greek,studying greek and the man who educated him was Aristotle.

Well I think we are in front of the biggest cultural theft ever....

Our history that we have is far away from the truth!
Alexander the Great was Macedonian, And if i have it Right then he was Serbian!
Our history is written by enemies, so they write it in their own interest, like romans wrote the history of the people and nations they conquered!
Also much history was lost when the Library of Alexandria was burned down by the Romans.
The same for our Serbian History not much is know, at the same time much is lost, but i know that Etruscans where also Serbs and that they settled from Anatolia to Italy, around 700-800 BC so if they could go to Italy they couldn't go to the Balkans?
And the many similarities in the Serbian language with the Sanskrit language is also not coincidence.
So i Believe that (Slavs) have a more richer history that is known, but hey who wrote today's history.. 18th/19th C British/french/German Fantasy/mythology lovers who tried to know about their past,
But we can't even be sure what happened in WW2 and the Balkan wars in ex Yugoslavia, so how can you be sure about Alexander the great who lived 2000+ years ago!
(mick, 16 June 2011 15:57)

Mick,

You make some rather peculiar assertions. According to you the Serbs came from the Etruscans and you also somehow conclude that Alexander the Great was a Serb. Do you then imply that Alexander the Great was Etruscan? Your one assertion I agree with is that the Victors get to write History. Since you seem to imply that Serbia has never won a war since she has never had the chance to write her History, does that mean that your earlier assertions were just made up?

I await your reply.

If anyone thinks the dispute over Alexander the Great is a big deal, then they should look at the dispute over U2 Guitarist "The Edge". He was born in London to Welsh Parents but moved to Ireland at young age.

So is The Edge?
A) English because he was born in London
B) Welsh because he was born to Welsh parents
C) Irish because he was raised in Ireland and is in U2

I think a three-way-war is going to emerge between England, Ireland and Wales due to them all claiming "The Edge" as their own. I think this is a more serious dispute than Balkan people claiming Alexander the Great.

I would think Greece has more important issues on its mind right now...

On topic: OK, so a neigbouring country is erecting a statue depicting a Greek hero? Well, be thankful!

I think I have a solution.
Since the Greeks dont have claims for the father of Alexander the Great,let the macedonians erect his monument.So the Macedonians have the father,and the Greeks have the son,and wherever is left can be divided from other neighbours and case can be closed.

''Let it go! Everybody knows that Aleksander was a Serb anyway.
(gh, 16 June 2011 12:24) ''

Thumb up! Just clicked the recommend button :)

Read some posts here is a good laughable diversion, professor Lenard teach to a worried german tax payer about economy democracy but in truth about the nowadays greeks mind:
“The guilty of the greek´s debt is only of the banks, of course tax payers assume losses when its happen because bank don’t ever lose…”
Oohh, bank put billions euros on greek´s hands at request of them and now at paying time greeks simply don’t pay and call banks of vampires sucking greek people! This my dear Lenard is robbery and posterior use of pretense ideology like excuse or justification for the stealing action. By the way where was put the money???
Greeks have a strange notion of economy: “All the money is kept by riches hands so people can live simply menancing them for live confortable!” wrong professor Lenard, money don’t exists money is produced by labor, the money borrowed to greek was made by europeans workers mainly germans and consumed by inconsequent greeks who believe on cornucopias. Banks are not responsibles by the greek mind, they did not force greeks for debts but greeks avidly took European money and partied with with no worries about future because “riches must pay the bill ever” people was robbed by them, greeks living with abroad money a life that don’t work for now striking solves all or on your semantic democracy. Well the ancient concept was not the nowadays greek proposal, this put the original question on limelight: Alexander was greek or Macedonian? None of them but he born on Macedonian land so Macedonians have the right for him like arabs living in egipt have rights upon the ancient ones. Course is appealing think yourself like a Spartan or Athenian descendant but the nowadays is a mestizo of Megalopolis with roman empire blood and middle east races, the way of the nowadays greek thinks proves this, Greece is a third world nation located on Europe land, this is the simple truth, unfortunately Greece did not take part of the communist empire so they continue uses Marxist bullshit like real concepts, Europe was very damaged by his proletarians that continue wanting put on riches their faults, Protestantism saved north Europe but Catholicism and orthodox churches id not the same, Europeans need work on simple jobs and not put Africans for it, the Europe will disappear soon if proletarians continue blame others classes by their social conditions.

''I personally have no problem with the statue of Alexander in Skopje.The problem i have is the propaganda that is used by the education system and the goverment of fyrom.That is the myth of "the annexation" of Macedonia to the Greek state.The Greeks won what was rightfully"theirs" on the battlefield against the forces of the Ottoman empire and their agents.The same could be said about the kingdom of Serbs that "annexed" today's fyrom the land they subsequently dubbed Vardaska Banovina.
(Leonidas, 17 June 2011 19:18) ''

I agree with the rest of what Leonidas said but i have a few notes about the paragraph cited above...you say ''won'' for the greek annexing macedonia but ''annex'' when the issue concerned serbs... ! Macedonia, during ottoman empire, ethnically was a mix of Bulgarian slavs, muslimised Bulgarians, Albanians, Greeks and Turks, probably the mostly mixed region in the empire...greeks, in their part, kicked and killed the turks, slavs and albanians and kept the greeks of course...serbs could not just kick everyone out so on one side, they kicked the turks, killed the albanians and on the other tried to convice bulgarians of macedonia that they were serbs, and not bulgarians. How impressive it might be, serbs even claimed that bulgarians of sophia spoke serbian dialect, but this another story... this is the first wave of fyromian brainwash, the second wave was the titoist brainwash which further confused the bulgarians of fyrom, and even convinced them they were neither serbs nor bulgarians but the glorious macedonians.Probaly fyromians, in the 90s, tired of both serbian and bulgarian claims chose to lie to theirselves, because the lie is more useful than the truth...the fact is that Albanian and Bulgarian Komitas marched together in Skopje in 1911, but serbs, greeks declared war on bulgaria and prefered to see Albania as an ottoman ally [It was the Albanian revolt of 1909 and the uprising of 1911 that scared both greece and serbia, so they hurry before an Albanian state came into being], in order to invade as much as possible of what was left of the empire, slavs and greeks attacked both bulgarian and albanian lands...greece is harvesting what they planted 100 years ago by allying wih serbs and declaring war to bulgaria...the truth is that serbia and greece played dirty during the balkan wars, and the product of their chauvinisic games is fyrom, kosovo and montenegro of today. Bosnia is pretty much is a product of serbian-croatian hate game.

BTW. The famous Suliot dance is Albanian. But i still see the suliots and arvanites as Greek national heroes because they faught for Greek indipendence. I just don't like the fact that greeks claim Arvanites were Greeks and no Albanians. The mere Arvanite word means Albanian. And hey spoke an archaic Albanian dialect. Actually you don't know very well the story of suliots, they were slaughered by Ali Pasha of Janina, who of course, back then was a muslim albanian pasha representing the empire, because hey refused to pay the taxes, and years later, when Ali Pasha rised against the ottomans, when he lost the fight and was sorrounded by the turkish forces all alone in his castle, he was betrayed by every one, his close friends, his sons and every one he trusted, only one suliot secretly entered the castle and sent him bread baked by the same villagers whose parents he had slaughtered years ago, the suliot understanding of courage , dignity and values of freedom is immense...the ''thrill'' of indipendence was very strong among Albanians back then,the bajraktars of north and the suliots of south never payed any taxes, and the ottomans never steped there, even our pashas of late 18th century like Ali Pasha in south and Bushatli in north had everything, wealth, power, probably the richest pashas in empire...but in the end they chose to rise up and die fighting. The problem was that the Bushatli in the north and Ali Pasha of Janina in south failed to coincide. We fell for two reasons, we were divided and we had no support from ouside like greece, bulgaria and serbia. Still, Ali pasha was the catalist for greek indipendence strugle.

Woww, wowww, wowww so Leonidas are you ready to fight for greeks! Don’t be silly, here the ideas counting not names and by the way I am not creating fictional character for myself just avoid put my name because it are not important on this forum context. My name is Paulo (Paul, Pavel) I am a Brazilian citizen very interested on learning about the Balkans deliverance. Satisfied your curiosity lets go to business…
Egyptians don’t have 5000 of history, the Arabs that now inhabits Egypt came about the 7 century AD and mixed with the locals that any more was ancient Egyptians but a mix of races originated by Alexander and after the roman empire. The difference is that Arabs don’t pretend be the ancient Egyptians and Italians other example know that their blood are not the ancient romans blood but a mix of barbarians and romans, the greeks pretend be the 100 per cent and the only descendants of the ancient greeks and this is not truth, today Macedonians probably have more percentage of ancient Macedonian blood then greeks only because territoriality, on Balkans the mixing of races was very intense. Macedonia is a real country not a pure Macedonian race descendant of the Alexander s troops, this purity don’t exists on Balkans, but Macedonians at contrary of greeks don’t pretend be “pures” only want create a national identity that permit a social cohesion of the country, if greeks don’t want conquest Macedonia and are quarrel only by a pretended only possessed heritage of the ancient Greece this is silly try desestabilize a country only for national proud, by the way if want conquest the Macedonia this is stupid and impossible. Croatia is a land inhabited by croats, Bosnia a land inhabited by converted to Islam, Montenegro is land of Montenegrins don’t have any importance their racial origin, the want be independents and have land and national will so a real nation, so Macedonia too, here anyone must stop thinking that needs a pure race for constitute a nation this is a fable, nowadays many others factors are more important and sufficient, sprska, presevo valley and vojvodina are the only territories under dispute all other borders are settled, greeks should stop annoy Macedonians the alleged defense of the greek heritage is a very childish idea of national proud.

Yes we do in exactly the same way as Britain has on Shakespeare,Adam Smith and Charles Darwin.What is wrong with that?

Read below:

[link]
(Leonidas, 16 June 2011 21:26)

Even though he was born in present day Greek Macedonia/ Aegean Macedonia he still ruled over present day RoM/FYROM and if they want to celebrate him for historical reasons then fair play.

Also are ancient Greeks and contemporary Greeks the same ethnicity? Probably not, just like the ancient Bulgars are a different ethnicity to contemporary Bulgarians. Over the past 2,000+ years ethnicities have changed significantly so Alexander the Great was neither Greek-Macedonian nor was he Slavo-Macedonian. So why don't you both celebrate him for being an important historical figure in the South Balkans instead of being politically and Socially at each others throats. This is why the Balkans is such a stupid place, everyone in the Balkans lets their nationalist tendencies take over them. Everyone over-reacts and are very sensitive about things.

Lets take Alexander Graham Bell for example who invented the telephone, he was British/ Scottish however he later moved to Canada then the US. Canada and the US claim that the telephone is a Canadian or American invention even though he is originally British/ Scottish and everything he learned was at the University of Edinburgh and University College London. If the Yanks and the Canadian wish to claim that AGB was a Yank or Canadian then let them, I don't particularly care. I won't let nationalist tendencies take over, I wouldn't get get in a fuss about it.

Another example of a British legend, King Arthur. He is supposedly a Brythonic Prince, a Saxon King and a Roman General. If the Germans or Italians want to claim him as their own then let them, we wouldn't give a monkeys to be honest.

I am sick and tired of these Greeks.
Instead of getting their financial house in order and stop sucking us German taxpayers every half year of 100 billions of euros they have nothing better to do than to play their little nationalistic games over a statue and to strike all day!
Throw them out of the eurozone and let them go bancrupt,then they can strike and cry about statues being erected as long as they wish for all I care,but with their money ,not with mine...

Let it go! Everybody knows that Aleksander was a Serb anyway.

Germany owes us, we dont owe you
(Megadeth, 16 June 2011 13:29)

Yeah?You think so?
Just wait until the IMF makes you give away all your ports ,infrastructure and islands to foreigners through privatizations!
You think you are so smart screwing up whole Europe,but believe me,in the end you will end up being loosers!

If you are messing with with your debtors who happen to be the worlds biggest banks you won`t come out as a winner ,that is for sure!

For 20 years you led the good life,with 70% of Greeks "working" in the government sector and going into pension with 50 years while Northern Europeans work until 67!
As a consequence,for the next 200 years you will be slaves in your own country doing and listening to what foreigners will tell you!

Have much fun!

Our history that we have is far away from the truth!
Alexander the Great was Macedonian, And if i have it Right then he was Serbian!
Our history is written by enemies, so they write it in their own interest, like romans wrote the history of the people and nations they conquered!
Also much history was lost when the Library of Alexandria was burned down by the Romans.
The same for our Serbian History not much is know, at the same time much is lost, but i know that Etruscans where also Serbs and that they settled from Anatolia to Italy, around 700-800 BC so if they could go to Italy they couldn't go to the Balkans?
And the many similarities in the Serbian language with the Sanskrit language is also not coincidence.
So i Believe that (Slavs) have a more richer history that is known, but hey who wrote today's history.. 18th/19th C British/french/German Fantasy/mythology lovers who tried to know about their past,
But we can't even be sure what happened in WW2 and the Balkan wars in ex Yugoslavia, so how can you be sure about Alexander the great who lived 2000+ years ago!

For goodness sake, possibly the biggest piece of cultural theft ever to take place.

Hasn't Greece got bigger things to worry about than a statue in a neighbouring country? Last I heard Greeks weren't happy with the economic situation in Greece and that the Government could collapse at any moment due to the protests and mass discontent.

Also I forgot Greece had a patent on Alexander the Great.

I am sick and tired of these Greeks.
Instead of getting their financial house in order and stop sucking us German taxpayers every half year of 100 billions of euros they have nothing better to do than to play their little nationalistic games over a statue and to strike all day!
Throw them out of the eurozone and let them go bancrupt,then they can strike and cry about statues being erected as long as they wish for all I care,but with their money ,not with mine...
(Angry German taxpayer, 16 June 2011 12:40)
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Your comment shows that you are either lacking basic knowledge in economics or trying to substantiate what you were posting yesterday under a different name.

Now let me clarify that the bailout monies from the EU and IMF are not going to Greece but to German and French banks that have been betting on the Greek debt.That's right, the banks, who are more culpable than the Greek people in creating this crisis. But the banks never lose. The taxpayer covers their losses, just as the taxpayer never gets to share in their profits.

As i said yesterday ,I can't see Greece defaulting yet - the costs are too high - but I could see Greece using the possibility of default to twist some arms. The real crisis will come if Portugal,Ireland or especially Spain or Italy get themselves into the same position. At some point the Eurozone won't be sustainable, and then all bets are off.

What you call "striking Greeks" i call it democracy in action,something the EU is lacking since its inception.The truth is the Greeks are refusing to be debt slaves and as an Ancient Greek reminds us;
"debt is the slavery of the free.."

There is not a lot that i could add to the actions of VMRO goverment in Fyrom which is nothing more than petty Bulgaro-nationalistic and engage in immature gesture politics which have pushed Fyrom quite few years backwards.Fyrom's dilemma is self-inflicted by trying to appropriate a historical name belonging to Greece and is forcing Gruevski to make territorial and cultural claims that are unfounded in order to comply with their propaganda.

The recent creation of their language is based on the the literary traditions of Krchovski,Pejchinivich,Capernkov all of whom insisted their language and culture was Bulgarian.Their history approaches the borders of ridicule when trying to show continuity from the ancient Macedonians to Tsar Samuel and Gotse Delchev.Now do we destroy those myths or live with them?

Well these radical Bulgarian speakinf factions have already decided to live with theit myths and lies to the constant amusement of the world.

Alexander the Great was a killer, destroyer with a strong army. His army burned and killed one of the most advanced civilizations of that time. The capital of the Persian Empire had thousands of books which were lost to the barbarism of this army. It is not a coincidence that Hitler, Napoleon and others with dreams of conquest admired Alexander the Great. Bottom line is, being proud to be the descendants of a crazy man is very stupid.

what a shame trying to still some other countrys history its not MACEDONIA ITS FYRUM and fyrum never have history the only history they have is jozeph broz tito get real ALEXANDER THE GREAT IS GREEK not fyrum

do greeks claim aleks the great father,king philip of macedonia also ,or just his son, aleksander,as a greek?
thanks!

I would personally like to thank the Greeks for helping expose this fantasy of one currency for all Europe, which was doomed to failure from the start. Greeks, Portuguese, Spanish, Italians...are not Germans, nor should they be forced to work and act like Germans. God, what a boring world it would be if we were all like them! There is more to life than work, I don't think Germans have figured this out yet.
The best solution for my Greek friends is to default on the debt, let the German, French and UK banks take the hit, get out of the Eurozone, bring back the Drachma, and live their lives they way they want to, not the way some Eurocrat from Brussels demands of them.
Cheers!!

We call Macedonians Culture/history Pirates. Too bad they will have the same PM. They are bound to get dipper into s*** in the next 4 years...

Germany owes us, we dont owe you

Also I forgot Greece had a patent on Alexander the Great.
(Ian, UK, 16 June 2011 15:39)

They got it at the same time as their feta and Greek Style patent.

You can tell that there are a substantial number of albanains living in Macedonia. The macedonians are becoming the new troublemakers (after the albanains) in the Balkans. First they provoke Serbia by recognizing Kosovo and now they continue to upset Greece. If Serbia will have a difficult time joining the EU then Macedonia has as much chance as a snowball in hell.

The Greeks should sit down calmly with the Bulgarians, Albanians and Serbians and make a gentleman's agreement on how to divide FYROM and put an end to all this nonsense.

Actually the biggest historical theft has been done by the Croats that had gone to China asking investments in the name of their most famous citizen....Marco Polo...

I agree with Zaza. Look at the historical facts Alexander was a butcher with large aspirations repeated many times afterwards in history.

I think, both do it right. Makedonija should proclaim, it's the most Macedonian of all Macedonias and the statue should be not 12 but 21 meter high.

On the other hand, Greece should block Makedonija from NATO forever. Pity, FYROM can't block Greece out of NATO, that would be bad.

Otherwise name or not - the Macedonians of antique times were not of Slavic origin, they were "barbarians" in the sense not belong to the Greek city-states but of course they were hellenic as tribe and language.

Slavs were in other areas - for instance, in East Anatolia the Hittite language was fully decyphered by Polish researchers based on archaic Slavic roots.

But hey, if Skopje decides to claim Anatolia and take good care of turkey like some Ukrainians... I would not complain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSZJbhpy7ro

That clip should be shown in Makedonija 7/24 non-stop to remind them who is their enemy and how to celebrate the Thanksgiving.

do greeks claim aleks the great father,king philip of macedonia also ,or just his son, aleksander,as a greek?
thanks!
(delon, 16 June 2011 13:54

I don't know and I don't give damn.

If anyone thinks the dispute over Alexander the Great is a big deal, then they should look at the dispute over U2 Guitarist "The Edge". He was born in London to Welsh Parents but moved to Ireland at young age.

So is The Edge?
A) English because he was born in London
B) Welsh because he was born to Welsh parents
C) Irish because he was raised in Ireland and is in U2

I think a three-way-war is going to emerge between England, Ireland and Wales due to them all claiming "The Edge" as their own. I think this is a more serious dispute than Balkan people claiming Alexander the Great.

Read some posts here is a good laughable diversion, professor Lenard teach to a worried german tax payer about economy democracy but in truth about the nowadays greeks mind:
“The guilty of the greek´s debt is only of the banks, of course tax payers assume losses when its happen because bank don’t ever lose…”
Oohh, bank put billions euros on greek´s hands at request of them and now at paying time greeks simply don’t pay and call banks of vampires sucking greek people! This my dear Lenard is robbery and posterior use of pretense ideology like excuse or justification for the stealing action. By the way where was put the money???
Greeks have a strange notion of economy: “All the money is kept by riches hands so people can live simply menancing them for live confortable!” wrong professor Lenard, money don’t exists money is produced by labor, the money borrowed to greek was made by europeans workers mainly germans and consumed by inconsequent greeks who believe on cornucopias. Banks are not responsibles by the greek mind, they did not force greeks for debts but greeks avidly took European money and partied with with no worries about future because “riches must pay the bill ever” people was robbed by them, greeks living with abroad money a life that don’t work for now striking solves all or on your semantic democracy. Well the ancient concept was not the nowadays greek proposal, this put the original question on limelight: Alexander was greek or Macedonian? None of them but he born on Macedonian land so Macedonians have the right for him like arabs living in egipt have rights upon the ancient ones. Course is appealing think yourself like a Spartan or Athenian descendant but the nowadays is a mestizo of Megalopolis with roman empire blood and middle east races, the way of the nowadays greek thinks proves this, Greece is a third world nation located on Europe land, this is the simple truth, unfortunately Greece did not take part of the communist empire so they continue uses Marxist bullshit like real concepts, Europe was very damaged by his proletarians that continue wanting put on riches their faults, Protestantism saved north Europe but Catholicism and orthodox churches id not the same, Europeans need work on simple jobs and not put Africans for it, the Europe will disappear soon if proletarians continue blame others classes by their social conditions.

I think I have a solution.
Since the Greeks dont have claims for the father of Alexander the Great,let the macedonians erect his monument.So the Macedonians have the father,and the Greeks have the son,and wherever is left can be divided from other neighbours and case can be closed.

Also I forgot Greece had a patent on Alexander the Great.
(Ian, UK, 16 June 2011 15:39)

Yes we do in exactly the same way as Britain has on Shakespeare,Adam Smith and Charles Darwin.What is wrong with that?

Read below:

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/234351

I would think Greece has more important issues on its mind right now...

On topic: OK, so a neigbouring country is erecting a statue depicting a Greek hero? Well, be thankful!

Greeks will be greeks. I heard greeks claim Scanderbeg as their national hero, I would never protest if greeks ever erect Scanderbeg statue in Janina, or Ioannina...or even better, in Athens. I would be honored to see, Skanderbeg or Jorgos Kastriotis as greeks want him to be called, in Thessaloniki, Athens and Jannina... I was going to write a petition to serbian embassy to erect the Gjergj Kasrioti Skanderbeg in Nish, afer all he fought there twice (well the second time he couldn't reach the battlefield because of the serbian king loyalty to his daughter's husband) but i couldn't find any serb willingly to sign, even though they call our national hero as Ivan Kastrioti.

Back to the topic......i think that usually totallitarian states build statues of megalomaniac sizes or scales. Fyrom is a totalitarian state, a fake totalitarian state . A pseudo state and a pseudo nation that build a brand new church over valuable archeoligical site [weirdly they don't wanna find out about ancient wars ''their own ancestors''macedonians performed to take over those walls]. The issue is not wether Albanians there are muslims or whatever...try to build a church or a mosque inside a castle in Albania, and our state will destroy every single religious object and ban all the religions as a response... that is why the bearded old men wearing green and black towels and caps here keep their mouth shut and their head down, one wrong action and they get the deserved response. Those ancient walls are litlle what is left of our ancestors , wether our ancestors are illyrians, romans, macedonians, thraceans or greeks. Ancient Macedonians weren't even christians, they were pagans who worshiped the cult of the sun, the snake and the horse. I wonder how come a christian nation such as fyromians keep the cult of the sun as a flag, that is blasphemy. I hope they don't put an illyrian-roman-greek helmet on the knight... the cult of the horse has always been strong in the balkans, albanian warriors of midlle ages have been called as Kreshniks, a word which orginites from the hair of the horses, only the illyrians, greeks and romans used the horse hair in their helmets.

''I personally have no problem with the statue of Alexander in Skopje.The problem i have is the propaganda that is used by the education system and the goverment of fyrom.That is the myth of "the annexation" of Macedonia to the Greek state.The Greeks won what was rightfully"theirs" on the battlefield against the forces of the Ottoman empire and their agents.The same could be said about the kingdom of Serbs that "annexed" today's fyrom the land they subsequently dubbed Vardaska Banovina.
(Leonidas, 17 June 2011 19:18) ''

I agree with the rest of what Leonidas said but i have a few notes about the paragraph cited above...you say ''won'' for the greek annexing macedonia but ''annex'' when the issue concerned serbs... ! Macedonia, during ottoman empire, ethnically was a mix of Bulgarian slavs, muslimised Bulgarians, Albanians, Greeks and Turks, probably the mostly mixed region in the empire...greeks, in their part, kicked and killed the turks, slavs and albanians and kept the greeks of course...serbs could not just kick everyone out so on one side, they kicked the turks, killed the albanians and on the other tried to convice bulgarians of macedonia that they were serbs, and not bulgarians. How impressive it might be, serbs even claimed that bulgarians of sophia spoke serbian dialect, but this another story... this is the first wave of fyromian brainwash, the second wave was the titoist brainwash which further confused the bulgarians of fyrom, and even convinced them they were neither serbs nor bulgarians but the glorious macedonians.Probaly fyromians, in the 90s, tired of both serbian and bulgarian claims chose to lie to theirselves, because the lie is more useful than the truth...the fact is that Albanian and Bulgarian Komitas marched together in Skopje in 1911, but serbs, greeks declared war on bulgaria and prefered to see Albania as an ottoman ally [It was the Albanian revolt of 1909 and the uprising of 1911 that scared both greece and serbia, so they hurry before an Albanian state came into being], in order to invade as much as possible of what was left of the empire, slavs and greeks attacked both bulgarian and albanian lands...greece is harvesting what they planted 100 years ago by allying wih serbs and declaring war to bulgaria...the truth is that serbia and greece played dirty during the balkan wars, and the product of their chauvinisic games is fyrom, kosovo and montenegro of today. Bosnia is pretty much is a product of serbian-croatian hate game.

BTW. The famous Suliot dance is Albanian. But i still see the suliots and arvanites as Greek national heroes because they faught for Greek indipendence. I just don't like the fact that greeks claim Arvanites were Greeks and no Albanians. The mere Arvanite word means Albanian. And hey spoke an archaic Albanian dialect. Actually you don't know very well the story of suliots, they were slaughered by Ali Pasha of Janina, who of course, back then was a muslim albanian pasha representing the empire, because hey refused to pay the taxes, and years later, when Ali Pasha rised against the ottomans, when he lost the fight and was sorrounded by the turkish forces all alone in his castle, he was betrayed by every one, his close friends, his sons and every one he trusted, only one suliot secretly entered the castle and sent him bread baked by the same villagers whose parents he had slaughtered years ago, the suliot understanding of courage , dignity and values of freedom is immense...the ''thrill'' of indipendence was very strong among Albanians back then,the bajraktars of north and the suliots of south never payed any taxes, and the ottomans never steped there, even our pashas of late 18th century like Ali Pasha in south and Bushatli in north had everything, wealth, power, probably the richest pashas in empire...but in the end they chose to rise up and die fighting. The problem was that the Bushatli in the north and Ali Pasha of Janina in south failed to coincide. We fell for two reasons, we were divided and we had no support from ouside like greece, bulgaria and serbia. Still, Ali pasha was the catalist for greek indipendence strugle.

Woww, wowww, wowww so Leonidas are you ready to fight for greeks! Don’t be silly, here the ideas counting not names and by the way I am not creating fictional character for myself just avoid put my name because it are not important on this forum context. My name is Paulo (Paul, Pavel) I am a Brazilian citizen very interested on learning about the Balkans deliverance. Satisfied your curiosity lets go to business…
Egyptians don’t have 5000 of history, the Arabs that now inhabits Egypt came about the 7 century AD and mixed with the locals that any more was ancient Egyptians but a mix of races originated by Alexander and after the roman empire. The difference is that Arabs don’t pretend be the ancient Egyptians and Italians other example know that their blood are not the ancient romans blood but a mix of barbarians and romans, the greeks pretend be the 100 per cent and the only descendants of the ancient greeks and this is not truth, today Macedonians probably have more percentage of ancient Macedonian blood then greeks only because territoriality, on Balkans the mixing of races was very intense. Macedonia is a real country not a pure Macedonian race descendant of the Alexander s troops, this purity don’t exists on Balkans, but Macedonians at contrary of greeks don’t pretend be “pures” only want create a national identity that permit a social cohesion of the country, if greeks don’t want conquest Macedonia and are quarrel only by a pretended only possessed heritage of the ancient Greece this is silly try desestabilize a country only for national proud, by the way if want conquest the Macedonia this is stupid and impossible. Croatia is a land inhabited by croats, Bosnia a land inhabited by converted to Islam, Montenegro is land of Montenegrins don’t have any importance their racial origin, the want be independents and have land and national will so a real nation, so Macedonia too, here anyone must stop thinking that needs a pure race for constitute a nation this is a fable, nowadays many others factors are more important and sufficient, sprska, presevo valley and vojvodina are the only territories under dispute all other borders are settled, greeks should stop annoy Macedonians the alleged defense of the greek heritage is a very childish idea of national proud.

LOL Serbianized Bulgarians trying to steal Greek history.

1. If anyone thinks the dispute over Alexander the Great is a big deal, then they should look at the dispute over U2 Guitarist "The Edge". He was born in London to Welsh Parents but moved to Ireland at young age.

So is The Edge?
A) English because he was born in London
B) Welsh because he was born to Welsh parents
C) Irish because he was raised in Ireland and is in U2

I think a three-way-war is going to emerge between England, Ireland and Wales due to them all claiming "The Edge" as their own. I think this is a more serious dispute than Balkan people claiming Alexander the Great.
(Ian, UK, 17 June 2011 14:27)

Yeah U2 guitarist is more important than Alexander the Great:)

Well then Alexander is definetely Greek because

a)Because he was born in currenly Greek land
b)Because he's Father (king Phyllip) was Greek
c)Because he was raised as a Greek,studying greek and the man who educated him was Aristotle.

Well I think we are in front of the biggest cultural theft ever....

(professeur lenard admirer, 17 June 2011 18:57)

The angry German taxpayer is another coward like yourself that posts under a ficticious name not because he has something informative to say but to score points against the Greeks.Few months ago the angry german was a US citizen proud to have served in US military and recently an angry German taxpayer allegedly upset for paying for the Greek bailout.

Regarding the banking crisis,it seems to me that you've been in deliberate hibernation the last three years and you remember only the Greek bailout but not the US,UK,German,French,Irish,Portugese,Spanish to name a few.I have mentioned before that German taxpayers haven't spent a single euro for the Greek bailout.Instead eurozone countries have provided guarantees for the creation of a bailout fund which helped countries like Greece,Ireland and Portugal to get out of the crisis.

Your understanding of history resembles the views of the fyromian barbers and garbage collectors of the diaspora.Your analogy of fyrom with egypt is a revisionist one.The Egyptians have a history of 5000 years whereas our Bulgarian speaking northen neighbours arrived in 700 AD.So much for continuity with ancient Macedonia.As you're probably aware an independent group of scholars from all over the world banded together to refute these revisionist claims by sending a letter to president Obamand underlying the unflagging efforts of Skopjans to usurp Greek history for political goals.They developed and launched a website to facilitate participation by other faculty worldwide: "Macedonia Evidence. Searching for Historic Truth." (http://macedonia-evidence.org/)

I don't know whether Albert Speer would applaud or burst out laughing at the Skopje 2014 Project :)

Yes we do in exactly the same way as Britain has on Shakespeare,Adam Smith and Charles Darwin.What is wrong with that?

Read below:

[link]
(Leonidas, 16 June 2011 21:26)

Even though he was born in present day Greek Macedonia/ Aegean Macedonia he still ruled over present day RoM/FYROM and if they want to celebrate him for historical reasons then fair play.

Also are ancient Greeks and contemporary Greeks the same ethnicity? Probably not, just like the ancient Bulgars are a different ethnicity to contemporary Bulgarians. Over the past 2,000+ years ethnicities have changed significantly so Alexander the Great was neither Greek-Macedonian nor was he Slavo-Macedonian. So why don't you both celebrate him for being an important historical figure in the South Balkans instead of being politically and Socially at each others throats. This is why the Balkans is such a stupid place, everyone in the Balkans lets their nationalist tendencies take over them. Everyone over-reacts and are very sensitive about things.

Lets take Alexander Graham Bell for example who invented the telephone, he was British/ Scottish however he later moved to Canada then the US. Canada and the US claim that the telephone is a Canadian or American invention even though he is originally British/ Scottish and everything he learned was at the University of Edinburgh and University College London. If the Yanks and the Canadian wish to claim that AGB was a Yank or Canadian then let them, I don't particularly care. I won't let nationalist tendencies take over, I wouldn't get get in a fuss about it.

Another example of a British legend, King Arthur. He is supposedly a Brythonic Prince, a Saxon King and a Roman General. If the Germans or Italians want to claim him as their own then let them, we wouldn't give a monkeys to be honest.

Even though he was born in present day Greek Macedonia/ Aegean Macedonia he still ruled over present day RoM/FYROM and if they want to celebrate him for historical reasons then fair play.

Also are ancient Greeks and contemporary Greeks the same ethnicity? Probably not, just like the ancient Bulgars are a different ethnicity to contemporary Bulgarians. Over the past 2,000+ years ethnicities have changed significantly so Alexander the Great was neither Greek-Macedonian nor was he Slavo-Macedonian. So why don't you both celebrate him for being an important historical figure in the South Balkans instead of being politically and Socially at each others throats. This is why the Balkans is such a stupid place, everyone in the Balkans lets their nationalist tendencies take over them. Everyone over-reacts and are very sensitive about things.

Lets take Alexander Graham Bell for example who invented the telephone, he was British/ Scottish however he later moved to Canada then the US. Canada and the US claim that the telephone is a Canadian or American invention even though he is originally British/ Scottish and everything he learned was at the University of Edinburgh and University College London. If the Yanks and the Canadian wish to claim that AGB was a Yank or Canadian then let them, I don't particularly care. I won't let nationalist tendencies take over, I wouldn't get get in a fuss about it.

Another example of a British legend, King Arthur. He is supposedly a Brythonic Prince, a Saxon King and a Roman General. If the Germans or Italians want to claim him as their own then let them, we wouldn't give a monkeys to be honest.
(Ian, UK, 17 June 2011 14:19)

Your knowledge in history is amazing.If you bothered to look at the link i posted you'll see that even skopje was not even part of the historical Macedonia let alone today's fyrom.You try to equate between ancient Greeks and ancient Bulgarians.Well there are no ancient Bulgarians because they arrived at the Balkans 1000 years later.Therefore,trying to connect the Bulgarians with ancient Macedonians shows either utter propaganda on your behalf( very strange for someone that claims English heritage) or total ignorance.In light of the present state of knowledge,based on the enormous archaeological wealth and plethora of historic sources,modern historiography universally accepts the conclusion that ancient Macedonians were Greeks.

Although no modern nation can fully identify with antiquity one can still see the historical continuity of the Greek nation through the Byzantine empire(language & culture was Greek)and their preservation until today.

That cannot be said about fyrom that only managed to devise a Bulgarian dialect as its official language after world war II.Only recently the EU,under pressure from Bulgaria, changed the status of their artificial language.

You refer to "Aegean Macedonia" a term used in certain Borat sites and Slav MK pseudo-historians(Risto)which any third-rate history student knows is an oxymoron.For the Greeks there is only one macedonia,the Greek modern one that covers 91% of the historical one.

I personally have no problem with the statue of Alexander in Skopje.The problem i have is the propaganda that is used by the education system and the goverment of fyrom.That is the myth of "the annexation" of Macedonia to the Greek state.The Greeks won what was rightfully"theirs" on the battlefield against the forces of the Ottoman empire and their agents.The same could be said about the kingdom of Serbs that "annexed" today's fyrom the land they subsequently dubbed Vardaska Banovina.

To shed new evidence concerning this and other controversies why not convene an international conference of scholars and historians having expertise on the Balkans, or, perhaps some people do not wish to learn the truth.

Our history that we have is far away from the truth!
Alexander the Great was Macedonian, And if i have it Right then he was Serbian!
Our history is written by enemies, so they write it in their own interest, like romans wrote the history of the people and nations they conquered!
Also much history was lost when the Library of Alexandria was burned down by the Romans.
The same for our Serbian History not much is know, at the same time much is lost, but i know that Etruscans where also Serbs and that they settled from Anatolia to Italy, around 700-800 BC so if they could go to Italy they couldn't go to the Balkans?
And the many similarities in the Serbian language with the Sanskrit language is also not coincidence.
So i Believe that (Slavs) have a more richer history that is known, but hey who wrote today's history.. 18th/19th C British/french/German Fantasy/mythology lovers who tried to know about their past,
But we can't even be sure what happened in WW2 and the Balkan wars in ex Yugoslavia, so how can you be sure about Alexander the great who lived 2000+ years ago!
(mick, 16 June 2011 15:57)

Mick,

You make some rather peculiar assertions. According to you the Serbs came from the Etruscans and you also somehow conclude that Alexander the Great was a Serb. Do you then imply that Alexander the Great was Etruscan? Your one assertion I agree with is that the Victors get to write History. Since you seem to imply that Serbia has never won a war since she has never had the chance to write her History, does that mean that your earlier assertions were just made up?

I await your reply.

''Let it go! Everybody knows that Aleksander was a Serb anyway.
(gh, 16 June 2011 12:24) ''

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