Del Ponte reacts to EU moves in Kosovo organ trafficking

She published the story for profit and she actually thought she would have been considered to head up a new investigation? No matter what anyones opinion of her is, once you publish for profit, you can no longer be considered an independent prosecutor on the same matter, as your professional reputation is at stake should you be unable to prove your allegations.
However, I am sure the team will want to interview her as to her knowledge of the matter.

The same old formula: each time there is something about this issue or it is perceived that it is not enough on focus the Serbian propaganda will interview Carla or Dick and the day after the Serbian war crime persecutor will give them a support.

Give us a break ppl - your formula is boring now and pathetic.

Dear Ms Delponte

You have done your job and did it pretty good.

Because of you many thugs (Serbs) are now facing the international court of Justice.

However, it has to end somewhere and this is the perfect moment for you.

Thanks again.

Tung

I could care less what some special-needs ambassador thinks about Kosovan affairs. She should concentrate on doing her job in S. America and forget Europe.


Thanks,
(KOSO, 14 June 2011 14:19)


Actually, as of February 2011, she has ben jobless. Swiss gov. removed her from Argentina. Poor lady, she is looking for a job.

" she was not contacted"

"I know nothing about this,"

Clearly you have no dignity either.

It is very natural that Serbian citizens from a southern province of the country dissatisfied with Del Ponte's job complain about her on a forum hosted in Belgrade. This is democracy at work. Thank you Kosovars, my next vacation is in Kosovo i Metohija - a province in the south of Serbia. ;-)

Don't worry Carla. Serbia's prosecutor of war crimes Vladimir Vukcevic has invited you to drink wine with him.

"Actually, as of February 2011, she has ben jobless. Swiss gov. removed her from Argentina. Poor lady, she is looking for a job."
(Kosova-USA, 14 June 2011 14:53)

Don't worry about her, she went in pension, with the age of 64. But I can understand well that she wants to bring her investigations to a good end and finally sent the criminal ex-KLA members which currently play politicians in Kosovo to prison.


I would worry more about this fact: "A spokesperson for EULEX said the process "would be conducted under the jurisdiction of the Priština District Court, because Brussels cannot have jurisdiction in Kosovo".

With a Pristina court conducting the process, the investigations will be as 'independent' as Kosovo itself :-)

I could care less what some special-needs ambassador thinks about Kosovan affairs. She should concentrate on doing her job in S. America and forget Europe.


Thanks,

"I know nothing about this"

Is she supposed to? You are appointed and all you did is write a book. Life goes on and no new book for you

"It is very natural that Serbian citizens from a southern province"
Only in the delusional version of Serbia according to her neighbors ;)

""of the country dissatisfied with Del Ponte's job"

Thats the irony, she has no job

"complain about her on a forum hosted in Belgrade."

America actually,

"This is democracy at work."
Nobody said anything about democracy, republic ;)


"Thank you Kosovars, my next vacation is in Kosovo i Metohija - a province in the south of Serbia. ;-)
(Je¿ kosowaki, serbski i demokratyczny, 14 June 2011 15:25)"

Just another guy who teared tears in his youth for Milos death.
Sad but nothing special. Is that all you got left out of your provocative speech?

Dear Ms Delponte
You have done your job and did it pretty good.
Because of you many thugs (Serbs) are now facing the international court of Justice.
However, it has to end somewhere and this is the perfect moment for you.
Thanks again.
Tung
(FREEDOM, 14 June 2011 10:41)

Mr. Freedom. If you thought Ms. Delponte is done discovering inconvenient truths you got another thing coming.

She is one crazy even her colleagues never want to work with her ever again. Carla destroyed the evidence so conveniently when she was incharge of it at the ICTY. Now panhandling to the Serbs hoping to get a multi million contract to do a another lousy job to run it to a never ending soap opera death while she cleanses the money kitty.

Today is not a good here at B92. The guy in charge of censoring takes too much liberty running with scissors all over postings. Writing that Ms. Delponte may blame mysterious E. coli outbreak on the Albanians is a mild attempt at sarcasm and doesn't break any of the forum's set rules.
Mr. Freedom please disregard my previous comment as only half of it was posted and it lost all it's intended meaning
Regards

HEARTBROKEN Kosovan Mothers said to Serbian People.
To be left in the dark when your child is missing is UNBEARABLE.

--"I know nothing about this, but we should wait and see what happens in the coming days," Del Ponte stated, and added that she was ready to take over the investigation at any time.--

Of course Ms. wac-job del ponte is ready to take over the job -- she is primo opportunist, ready to grab at the fast bucks, and apparently (?) unemployed. but no normal and in any way objective person or group would employ her, after the disaster that she brought about at the hague. the "tell-all" book was just the frosting on the cake.

my frnds were calling for her dismissal years before she left. later it turns out that her closest colleagues (eg geoffrey nice, flo hartmann) totally turned on her, and for very good reason. she is a woman not to be trusted.

also, as we have mentioned numerous times, it was exactly because of her shady dealings with the blg regime (of the time) that vital documentation was withheld from the bosnia genocide trial. thus the ridiculous verdict of "guilty of not stopping genocide" rather than the clear and correct verdict of Genocide. that was a horrible miscarriage of justice, and one that HOPEfully can be rectified as the case ag. maldic proceeds.

once upon a time, the ICTY prosecution was led by the likes of richard goldstone and louise arbour, both among the best and brightest of their judiciaries. w/ del ponte it was all drama and inexpertise -- it was dismal. she should really retire "graciously" but you know that ain't gonna happen...

thanks! Tung. roberto frisco

Sad but nothing special. Is that all you got left out of your provocative speech?
(Dongo, 14 June 2011 18:31)

No idea why do you have problems with that... after all, this is a site owned by some people in Belgrade. If you claim you have nothing to do with Belgrade - leave us in peace. No, you don't. You come here and the entire site is full of... khm... "Dardanian" vomiting. Really, let these horrible pro-Milosheviqi Serbian nationalists cook in the same brew with their Russian overlords. What you can prove to them? Noting, probably. They are all retarded and can't understand the Albanian Truth™. So what's the point wasting your time?

Now seriously.

Do you see any Serb on Koha Ditore or Gazetaexpress? No? Because probably they do not seek conflict now. Most of the Albanian posters here come for provocation and teasing. At the moment they get the same back:

"you are a bad boy, you hate Albanians".

No, most people here do not hate Albanians. But quite a few may hate trolls and provocators who poison this web site on a daily basis.

------


Let me cite my son - he has his own life and he rarely listens to his parents, as you of course expect. He is in an age when normal people are absolutely disinterested in the shit what flows here like river.

We spoke about Albanians - I asked him about Albanian young men of his age.

He answered me:

"I usually see two kind of Albanians. One kind will beat his chest and you see an idiot from a long distance. You will know, he is Albanian instantly. There is an other kind - I can't even guess usually what country he is from. Sometimes I think, it's Austria, sometimes - Slovakia. After a while as we chat I ask him and he just says - 'by the way I am from Albania' - and we continue like nothing happened"

Now if you are interested: I am looking PRECISELY for this kind of Albanians and I did see quite some in Kosovo. The problem is that in order to speak normally they either have to use a foreign tongue or if not, they do it behind the closed doors of their office.

A view from a member of a Czech NGO "Friends of Serbs in Kosovo". Del Ponte's book was published in 2008. Better late than never. I really don't know her intentions (money, sense of self-importance or bad conscience). It does not matter. What is important, she knows the details about organ trafficking. She must not wait to be interviewed. She must speak boldly and directly. Otherwise, it will be wholly useless.

dear pss, i wonder why you feel that it is necessary to imply a difference in carla's desire to sell her work and make money on that work and any other journalist that is writing stories in order to sell them and make money. any and all of your arguments against carla can be equally applied to any and all other journalists and authors.
(wyle e, 14 June 2011 19:45
I am going to assume you are serious in the fact that you do not understand.
Carla is free to be a journalist or an author all she wants, she could do this for the rest of her life and it would not bother me. As far as her publishing her previous works is between her and her previous employer. Some employers have clauses in their contracts that prohibit this, I do not know if that is the case with Carla though.
However should Carla wish to return as a prosecutor it is totally unethical for her to investigate and prosecute cases which she has written (past tense) about and if decided a certain way would in turn increase sales of her book and thus her profits.
It would be an automatic assumption that she would search for evidence that would support any allegations made and overlook evidence that contradicts them.
I hope this clarifies the situation for you.

"It would be an automatic assumption that she would search for evidence that would support any allegations made and overlook evidence that contradicts them. "
(pss, 15 June 2011 01:49)

Her books are sold, even bad publicity (i.e. not finding evidence) is publicity. I see a much bigger problem when a Pristina court should conduct the investigations - vice versa, of course. With all the corruption and connections, and after King Thaci publicly stated that the organ harvesting 'never happened', how would a person employed by Pristina even think of looking for evidence?

Karel Hyka, 15 June 2011 00:12

Karel, I bought the book and read it. Did you? There is only one chapter about this thing and there are no details there. The rest of the chapters is mostly about prosecution and hunt of Serb war criminals. There are plenty of details there regarding Kostunica and his government, Djindjic, the pressures from western governments on the Hague prosecutors to be soft on Serbian government because of political reasons, mainly fear that nationalists would come to power again. Another small portion of the book is about the war crimes in Rwanda and Africa. Everybody should read this book, it is very informative.

dear pss, i wonder why you feel that it is necessary to imply a difference in carla's desire to sell her work and make money on that work and any other journalist that is writing stories in order to sell them and make money. any and all of your arguments against carla can be equally applied to any and all other journalists and authors.

Her books are sold, even bad publicity (i.e. not finding evidence) is publicity. I see a much bigger problem when a Pristina court should conduct the investigations - vice versa, of course. With all the corruption and connections, and after King Thaci publicly stated that the organ harvesting 'never happened', how would a person employed by Pristina even think of looking for evidence?
(Top, 15 June 2011 17:48)
The Pristina courts are still overseen by Eulex, but you do not feel the same for Serbia trying war criminals? Remember Marty's report highlighted that the very persons assigned the task of "witness Protection" in Serbia are members of the same groups accused of the crimes.
Do you really think that as nationalist as Serbia is and the fact that many in Serbia as posted here do not even feel that crimes against Albanians are really crimes and any thing an Albanian does to a Serb rises to the level of a capital offense you think a trial in Belgrade for any ethnic related offense would be fair?
While it says that it will be handled in the Pristina District court it did not say that it would be handled by Albanians, If I am not mistaking the majority of judges in the Pristina district court are internationals.
But think logically who else would have jurisdiction? The Hague has jurisdiction for all war crimes committed in the former Yugoslavia but that would take an extension of its mandate, a move neither Serbia nor Russia wants.

What you say is true about bad publicity but her sales have been very very bad to date. I think mainly to Serb nationals and some journalists, only 600 of 15000 copies of the English version were sold at last count. As no one on here has probably read her book including me, what it actually reveals is a mystery. I would be tempted to buy the book just for my own clarification. Most of the reports say 100 to 600, with credible references saying 100 to 300 taken prisoner, with some being used for the organ trade. Marty's report itself says the number of possible cases is in the dozens not hundreds.
But the majority of accusations agains Thaci himself is for his connection to organized crime with hints he had knowledge of the organ trafficking. The connection to organized crime is not a war crime so the Hague would not even have jurisdiction over those matters.

Dear Ms Delponte

You have done your job and did it pretty good.

Because of you many thugs (Serbs) are now facing the international court of Justice.

However, it has to end somewhere and this is the perfect moment for you.

Thanks again.

Tung

I could care less what some special-needs ambassador thinks about Kosovan affairs. She should concentrate on doing her job in S. America and forget Europe.


Thanks,
(KOSO, 14 June 2011 14:19)


Actually, as of February 2011, she has ben jobless. Swiss gov. removed her from Argentina. Poor lady, she is looking for a job.

I could care less what some special-needs ambassador thinks about Kosovan affairs. She should concentrate on doing her job in S. America and forget Europe.


Thanks,

The same old formula: each time there is something about this issue or it is perceived that it is not enough on focus the Serbian propaganda will interview Carla or Dick and the day after the Serbian war crime persecutor will give them a support.

Give us a break ppl - your formula is boring now and pathetic.

It is very natural that Serbian citizens from a southern province of the country dissatisfied with Del Ponte's job complain about her on a forum hosted in Belgrade. This is democracy at work. Thank you Kosovars, my next vacation is in Kosovo i Metohija - a province in the south of Serbia. ;-)

She published the story for profit and she actually thought she would have been considered to head up a new investigation? No matter what anyones opinion of her is, once you publish for profit, you can no longer be considered an independent prosecutor on the same matter, as your professional reputation is at stake should you be unable to prove your allegations.
However, I am sure the team will want to interview her as to her knowledge of the matter.

"I know nothing about this"

Is she supposed to? You are appointed and all you did is write a book. Life goes on and no new book for you

Don't worry Carla. Serbia's prosecutor of war crimes Vladimir Vukcevic has invited you to drink wine with him.

"Actually, as of February 2011, she has ben jobless. Swiss gov. removed her from Argentina. Poor lady, she is looking for a job."
(Kosova-USA, 14 June 2011 14:53)

Don't worry about her, she went in pension, with the age of 64. But I can understand well that she wants to bring her investigations to a good end and finally sent the criminal ex-KLA members which currently play politicians in Kosovo to prison.


I would worry more about this fact: "A spokesperson for EULEX said the process "would be conducted under the jurisdiction of the Priština District Court, because Brussels cannot have jurisdiction in Kosovo".

With a Pristina court conducting the process, the investigations will be as 'independent' as Kosovo itself :-)

" she was not contacted"

"I know nothing about this,"

Clearly you have no dignity either.

Sad but nothing special. Is that all you got left out of your provocative speech?
(Dongo, 14 June 2011 18:31)

No idea why do you have problems with that... after all, this is a site owned by some people in Belgrade. If you claim you have nothing to do with Belgrade - leave us in peace. No, you don't. You come here and the entire site is full of... khm... "Dardanian" vomiting. Really, let these horrible pro-Milosheviqi Serbian nationalists cook in the same brew with their Russian overlords. What you can prove to them? Noting, probably. They are all retarded and can't understand the Albanian Truth™. So what's the point wasting your time?

Now seriously.

Do you see any Serb on Koha Ditore or Gazetaexpress? No? Because probably they do not seek conflict now. Most of the Albanian posters here come for provocation and teasing. At the moment they get the same back:

"you are a bad boy, you hate Albanians".

No, most people here do not hate Albanians. But quite a few may hate trolls and provocators who poison this web site on a daily basis.

------


Let me cite my son - he has his own life and he rarely listens to his parents, as you of course expect. He is in an age when normal people are absolutely disinterested in the shit what flows here like river.

We spoke about Albanians - I asked him about Albanian young men of his age.

He answered me:

"I usually see two kind of Albanians. One kind will beat his chest and you see an idiot from a long distance. You will know, he is Albanian instantly. There is an other kind - I can't even guess usually what country he is from. Sometimes I think, it's Austria, sometimes - Slovakia. After a while as we chat I ask him and he just says - 'by the way I am from Albania' - and we continue like nothing happened"

Now if you are interested: I am looking PRECISELY for this kind of Albanians and I did see quite some in Kosovo. The problem is that in order to speak normally they either have to use a foreign tongue or if not, they do it behind the closed doors of their office.

She is one crazy even her colleagues never want to work with her ever again. Carla destroyed the evidence so conveniently when she was incharge of it at the ICTY. Now panhandling to the Serbs hoping to get a multi million contract to do a another lousy job to run it to a never ending soap opera death while she cleanses the money kitty.

dear pss, i wonder why you feel that it is necessary to imply a difference in carla's desire to sell her work and make money on that work and any other journalist that is writing stories in order to sell them and make money. any and all of your arguments against carla can be equally applied to any and all other journalists and authors.

Dear Ms Delponte
You have done your job and did it pretty good.
Because of you many thugs (Serbs) are now facing the international court of Justice.
However, it has to end somewhere and this is the perfect moment for you.
Thanks again.
Tung
(FREEDOM, 14 June 2011 10:41)

Mr. Freedom. If you thought Ms. Delponte is done discovering inconvenient truths you got another thing coming.

--"I know nothing about this, but we should wait and see what happens in the coming days," Del Ponte stated, and added that she was ready to take over the investigation at any time.--

Of course Ms. wac-job del ponte is ready to take over the job -- she is primo opportunist, ready to grab at the fast bucks, and apparently (?) unemployed. but no normal and in any way objective person or group would employ her, after the disaster that she brought about at the hague. the "tell-all" book was just the frosting on the cake.

my frnds were calling for her dismissal years before she left. later it turns out that her closest colleagues (eg geoffrey nice, flo hartmann) totally turned on her, and for very good reason. she is a woman not to be trusted.

also, as we have mentioned numerous times, it was exactly because of her shady dealings with the blg regime (of the time) that vital documentation was withheld from the bosnia genocide trial. thus the ridiculous verdict of "guilty of not stopping genocide" rather than the clear and correct verdict of Genocide. that was a horrible miscarriage of justice, and one that HOPEfully can be rectified as the case ag. maldic proceeds.

once upon a time, the ICTY prosecution was led by the likes of richard goldstone and louise arbour, both among the best and brightest of their judiciaries. w/ del ponte it was all drama and inexpertise -- it was dismal. she should really retire "graciously" but you know that ain't gonna happen...

thanks! Tung. roberto frisco

Today is not a good here at B92. The guy in charge of censoring takes too much liberty running with scissors all over postings. Writing that Ms. Delponte may blame mysterious E. coli outbreak on the Albanians is a mild attempt at sarcasm and doesn't break any of the forum's set rules.
Mr. Freedom please disregard my previous comment as only half of it was posted and it lost all it's intended meaning
Regards

"It is very natural that Serbian citizens from a southern province"
Only in the delusional version of Serbia according to her neighbors ;)

""of the country dissatisfied with Del Ponte's job"

Thats the irony, she has no job

"complain about her on a forum hosted in Belgrade."

America actually,

"This is democracy at work."
Nobody said anything about democracy, republic ;)


"Thank you Kosovars, my next vacation is in Kosovo i Metohija - a province in the south of Serbia. ;-)
(Je¿ kosowaki, serbski i demokratyczny, 14 June 2011 15:25)"

Just another guy who teared tears in his youth for Milos death.
Sad but nothing special. Is that all you got left out of your provocative speech?

dear pss, i wonder why you feel that it is necessary to imply a difference in carla's desire to sell her work and make money on that work and any other journalist that is writing stories in order to sell them and make money. any and all of your arguments against carla can be equally applied to any and all other journalists and authors.
(wyle e, 14 June 2011 19:45
I am going to assume you are serious in the fact that you do not understand.
Carla is free to be a journalist or an author all she wants, she could do this for the rest of her life and it would not bother me. As far as her publishing her previous works is between her and her previous employer. Some employers have clauses in their contracts that prohibit this, I do not know if that is the case with Carla though.
However should Carla wish to return as a prosecutor it is totally unethical for her to investigate and prosecute cases which she has written (past tense) about and if decided a certain way would in turn increase sales of her book and thus her profits.
It would be an automatic assumption that she would search for evidence that would support any allegations made and overlook evidence that contradicts them.
I hope this clarifies the situation for you.

HEARTBROKEN Kosovan Mothers said to Serbian People.
To be left in the dark when your child is missing is UNBEARABLE.

A view from a member of a Czech NGO "Friends of Serbs in Kosovo". Del Ponte's book was published in 2008. Better late than never. I really don't know her intentions (money, sense of self-importance or bad conscience). It does not matter. What is important, she knows the details about organ trafficking. She must not wait to be interviewed. She must speak boldly and directly. Otherwise, it will be wholly useless.

"It would be an automatic assumption that she would search for evidence that would support any allegations made and overlook evidence that contradicts them. "
(pss, 15 June 2011 01:49)

Her books are sold, even bad publicity (i.e. not finding evidence) is publicity. I see a much bigger problem when a Pristina court should conduct the investigations - vice versa, of course. With all the corruption and connections, and after King Thaci publicly stated that the organ harvesting 'never happened', how would a person employed by Pristina even think of looking for evidence?

Her books are sold, even bad publicity (i.e. not finding evidence) is publicity. I see a much bigger problem when a Pristina court should conduct the investigations - vice versa, of course. With all the corruption and connections, and after King Thaci publicly stated that the organ harvesting 'never happened', how would a person employed by Pristina even think of looking for evidence?
(Top, 15 June 2011 17:48)
The Pristina courts are still overseen by Eulex, but you do not feel the same for Serbia trying war criminals? Remember Marty's report highlighted that the very persons assigned the task of "witness Protection" in Serbia are members of the same groups accused of the crimes.
Do you really think that as nationalist as Serbia is and the fact that many in Serbia as posted here do not even feel that crimes against Albanians are really crimes and any thing an Albanian does to a Serb rises to the level of a capital offense you think a trial in Belgrade for any ethnic related offense would be fair?
While it says that it will be handled in the Pristina District court it did not say that it would be handled by Albanians, If I am not mistaking the majority of judges in the Pristina district court are internationals.
But think logically who else would have jurisdiction? The Hague has jurisdiction for all war crimes committed in the former Yugoslavia but that would take an extension of its mandate, a move neither Serbia nor Russia wants.

What you say is true about bad publicity but her sales have been very very bad to date. I think mainly to Serb nationals and some journalists, only 600 of 15000 copies of the English version were sold at last count. As no one on here has probably read her book including me, what it actually reveals is a mystery. I would be tempted to buy the book just for my own clarification. Most of the reports say 100 to 600, with credible references saying 100 to 300 taken prisoner, with some being used for the organ trade. Marty's report itself says the number of possible cases is in the dozens not hundreds.
But the majority of accusations agains Thaci himself is for his connection to organized crime with hints he had knowledge of the organ trafficking. The connection to organized crime is not a war crime so the Hague would not even have jurisdiction over those matters.

Karel Hyka, 15 June 2011 00:12

Karel, I bought the book and read it. Did you? There is only one chapter about this thing and there are no details there. The rest of the chapters is mostly about prosecution and hunt of Serb war criminals. There are plenty of details there regarding Kostunica and his government, Djindjic, the pressures from western governments on the Hague prosecutors to be soft on Serbian government because of political reasons, mainly fear that nationalists would come to power again. Another small portion of the book is about the war crimes in Rwanda and Africa. Everybody should read this book, it is very informative.