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Monday, 13.06.2011.

13:33

FM warns new pressure would be "big mistake"

FM Vuk Jeremić has said it would be "a big mistake" to further condition Serbia's steps toward the EU with pressure regarding the dialogue with Priština.

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Je¿ albañski, kosowski i fotograficzny

pre 12 godina

Have you looked into a mirror recently?
(Iznogoud, 15 June 2011 12:05)

Recently did see through the mirror lens a few - but they did not wanted to go forward.
I have only 1000mm lens - now from here I can't see that good. Don't worry, next time.

Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

Considering the background of the recent atrocities in the Balkans your remarks can only be qualified as sick and disrespectful.
(Iznogoud, 15 June 2011 08:41)

No respect to provocateur, cavemen and nazivomiting.
(Je¿ prowokatywny, prymitywny i narodowo-socjalistyczny, 15 June 2011 11:03)
***
Have you looked into a mirror recently?

Je¿ prowokatywny, prymitywny i narodowo-socjalistyczny

pre 12 godina

Considering the background of the recent atrocities in the Balkans your remarks can only be qualified as sick and disrespectful.
(Iznogoud, 15 June 2011 08:41)

No respect to provocateur, cavemen and nazivomiting.

Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

Probably because there aren't enough old, rusty spoons in Israel, that's why.
Serbs will always need some extra rusty spoons as they move into Kosovo and I found a good supply of that stuff here. ;-)
***
Ataman, whenever I think you can't fall any lower you still manage to surprise me. Considering the background of the recent atrocities in the Balkans your remarks can only be qualified as sick and disrespectful.

Regarding the “rusty spoon”:
Q: "Are you Chetniks still cutting throats?"
Šešelj: "Oh, yes. Only we've changed our methods of slaughter. We no longer use knives, we use rusty shoespoons so that one cannot tell whether the victim was killed by slaughter or died of tetanus."

Kicsi pöcök: nyilas köcsög

pre 12 godina

They feel that they can insulte other people but nobody should dare to criticize them in the slightest way. In Hungary they became a state within a state.
(Joe, 14 June 2011 18:25)

Not just that - the entire 9/11 was organized by them and executed with the help of Serbian terrorists. But no one dares to speak about it. The name of suspected perpetrator was Józsiros Nácigeci and he lives in the Dohány utca, just across the big Synagogue.

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Since 1945 he and all Hungarian Jews act like spoiled children. Whatever they did against Hungary or Hungarians since that time they could do it with impunity. No ctiticism was allowed. If anybody had the guts to speak out he lost his job right away and was branded immediately a "nazi". This fear to speak up is slowly changing. Naturally they don't like it. They react with a lot of vituperation. You can see how Ataman insult me days in and days out and he can't understand that he is not able to silence me, that I couldn't care less of Dohany utca.
Hungarian Jews think that since some of their members suffered in 1944-45 they are allowed privileged treatement. They feel that they can insulte other people but nobody should dare to criticize them in the slightest way. In Hungary they became a state within a state. In the US this unhealthy situation does not exist even though there are 3,5 - 4 million of them. They know that they are not above the law. If any of them commits a crime he gets prosecuted like anybody else. For this reason the anti-Semitism is minimal. Also most of the American Jews are patriotic. No such thing among Hungarian Jews.
(Joe, 14 June 2011 18:25)

Joe
I understand my friend. Although, the information that you have just provided is new to me.
I believe we agree that no one will be allowed to happen what happened to the Jews in Europe during the darkness of Nazi time.
As you had a chance to see I always try to stick to the topic when I comment and not insult anyone. However when I reply to the repeated insult on my being, on my tradition and everything Albanian, Ataman replies with calling me a caveman and providing a link on how I look according to him.
Like I said, I do not mind him supporting Serbia but there are plenty of other ways to show this support without getting to laugh at culture, traditions and words.

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Before anyone judges the long essay of "Joe" take a note that all that is about the "Dohány Street" - and according his words he does not even care about it.

Thank you Joe, my next vacation is Dohány Street.

Joe

pre 12 godina

What's wrong Ataman? The existence of Albanian-bashing section with you leading it, is no problem for you, but you have a big problem with Jew-bashing section. Hurts, uh?
Simpatiku

Since 1945 he and all Hungarian Jews act like spoiled children. Whatever they did against Hungary or Hungarians since that time they could do it with impunity. No ctiticism was allowed. If anybody had the guts to speak out he lost his job right away and was branded immediately a "nazi". This fear to speak up is slowly changing. Naturally they don't like it. They react with a lot of vituperation. You can see how Ataman insult me days in and days out and he can't understand that he is not able to silence me, that I couldn't care less of Dohany utca.
Hungarian Jews think that since some of their members suffered in 1944-45 they are allowed privileged treatement. They feel that they can insulte other people but nobody should dare to criticize them in the slightest way. In Hungary they became a state within a state. In the US this unhealthy situation does not exist even though there are 3,5 - 4 million of them. They know that they are not above the law. If any of them commits a crime he gets prosecuted like anybody else. For this reason the anti-Semitism is minimal. Also most of the American Jews are patriotic. No such thing among Hungarian Jews.

delusional jeremic

pre 12 godina

Well, the speech of the FM seems me Crystal clear, he wants join EU BUT not stop his policy of build a superserbia at expense of their neighbors. Specifically he wants continue talk to Pristina within the formula “I don’t recognize you right to existence, I want your land BUT I need demonstrate for EU public Serbian capacity of dialogue for membership so I want a kafkanian dialogue with a no name interlocutor about how implement Serbian living in north Kosovo and his capacity of defiance toward the Pristina government” and of course he don’t wants “be pressed” for a recognizing of the political reality on the ground.
The Jeremic´s idea expressed when Tadic wanted the European path is “we can both, Europe and superserbia and if we don’t succeed we will lose nothing trying”… Serbia demonstrated his political power prisoning croat war commandants before for be palatable for his internal public trying share Europe for Madlic and pushing ahead the organ trafficking case with no one proof over the alleged dozens of Serbian victims over the many dozen of mass graves made by Serbian “clean up”, very extensively fact till now don’t officially recognized by Europe by denying put on Serbian nation the genocide action on dismantling of Yugoslavia BUT is necessary very more than political power and intolerance for build the future of Serbian nation and compromise of course is need for instead the “ever win” wanted by Serbian elite, Serbia needs a political plan that finally understand its past actions and draw future upon real pillars and not by imposing “Serbian truth” by force using nationalism like feed, Slavic people understand land, landlords and mujiks but this feudal system is gone, Serbia don’t need Kosovo, Sprska, Vojvodina and Presevo valley too, this is only attempt fo made a big Serbia but on map but inutile on real, Serbia don’t need space there are very sufficient of real Serbian lands and the past actions turned impossible good relation with Albania Croatia and Bosnia Serbia needs apologize and return their lands AND courting its real bride not attempt kidnap it Montenegro, the today geoeconomic position is very weak, Montenegro harbours is necessary not wheat punition AND see his today friends Slovakia Romania perhaps Bulgaria and try Hungary with vojvodina devolution, the path to east and his Slavic friends only then will have condition of create a future and then be able for European path and further reconciliation with their mistreated neighbors.
The jeremic realpolitik is very damaging to Serbia not a no cost policy he pretend be, he is a delusional dandy believing his “personal qualities” and political power of his friends will construct a “history” over the history, manage history needs wisdom so perfect vision not dreams of a witch apprentice.

lowe

pre 12 godina

“Obviously geography is my forte. I did not say that Montenegro and Bosnia are NATO members. However, you can not get to Montenegro and Bosnia from Russia without using either air space or territorial waters of NATO countries.
(Simpatiku, 14 June 2011 10:29)”

I would beg to differ – geography is definitely NOT your forte!

Let me help you in your amnesia. On 13 June, you wrote that “Now, Serbia is encircled by NATO countries therefore Russia can pose no threat,” Well, if you would care to check the atlas, the countries that encircle Serbia include Montenegro and Bosnia, both of which are NOT in NATO! So your assertion that Serbia is encircled by NATO countries is WRONG!

Je¿ neandertalski, patetyczny i ¿a³osny

pre 12 godina

He uses B92 to even threat Albanians with murder and deportation by saying that according to him "we will get all our "money" back for what is worth will all interest accumulated".
(Simpatiku, 14 June 2011 11:50)

Pathetiku - time to get a cold shower in that heat.

Yes, of course you will get all your money back, for what is it worth, with all interest accumulated. I stick to my words. Anyone is free to interpret it as they want. Who interprets it as a "murder and deportation" is the neanderthal caveman who does the same.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Neanderthaler_Fund.png

Probably time to change your nick... My suggestion "pathetiku" fits you perfectly.

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Yeah, it looks like it's going to be an other Jew-bashing section or what-not.

Just an answer for you and the ones like you.

Probably because there aren't enough old, rusty spoons in Israel, that's why.
Serbs will always need some extra rusty spoons as they move into Kosovo and I found a good supply of that stuff here. ;-)

Tung!
(Je¿ szeszeljski, wêgierski i amerikañski, 14 June 2011 10:49)

What's wrong Ataman? The existence of Albanian-bashing section with you leading it, is no problem for you, but you have a big problem with Jew-bashing section. Hurts, uh?

Ataman

pre 12 godina

"In sum, the US is slowly but steadily getting the upper hand over its agenda of a regime change in Syria.
(The Count of Kosova, 13 June 2011 20:22)

You think black-and-white with Syria.
Russia is very reluctant to support a degenerated regime like of Assad in particular while Medvedjev has excellent relationship and extended ties with Israel. Israel is busy to have closer ties not only with Russia and Ukraine - even with the bizarre regime in Belarus.

This is because at this moment Israel's ethnic picture is undergoing a radical change.

Under such circumstances Russia would be insane to support Syria... simply because it's relationship with Israel is better at this moment and Israel is an excellent "bridge" between Russia and America. Why spend money supporting unpopular regimes?

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Sorry...I meant "Russia does NOT want him".
Outherwise he is the perfect type of wandering Jew. You can look up "wandering Jew" in google...it is also a plant....you will find pages and pages about wandering Jew".
(Sam, 14 June 2011 01:53)

Sam
As far as I am concerned, the person may have 30 citizenships, may be Jew, may support Serbia and still does not mean that he/she can not communicate with me. We Albanians have foreigners who are supportive of our cause, so Serbs have foreigners who are supportive of their.
What I do mind, is the sick manner and pathological hater this guy has and uses for Albanians for no reason. He laughs with our language, culture and everything also for no reason.
He uses B92 to even threat Albanians with murder and deportation by saying that according to him "we will get all our "money" back for what is worth will all interest accumulated".
He has no problem for this site to be used as Albanian bashing section. However, he has a big problem when he thinks this site is used as Jew bashing section.

Je¿ szeszeljski, wêgierski i amerikañski

pre 12 godina

He should move to Israel.
(Sam, 13 June 2011 22:07)

Yeah, it looks like it's going to be an other Jew-bashing section or what-not.

Just an answer for you and the ones like you.

Probably because there aren't enough old, rusty spoons in Israel, that's why.
Serbs will always need some extra rusty spoons as they move into Kosovo and I found a good supply of that stuff here. ;-)

Tung!

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Huh? I didn't know that Bosnia and Montenegro are Nato members? Obvviously Geography ain't your forte. And I don't think Bosnia can ever join Nato without Srpska's consent.
(lowe, 14 June 2011 03:26)

Obviously geography is my forte. I did not say that Montenegro and Bosnia are NATO members. However, you can not get to Montenegro and Bosnia from Russia without using either air space or territorial waters of NATO countries.

lowe

pre 12 godina

"Now, Serbia is encircled by NATO countries therefore Russia can pose no threat, unless she wants to enter in overall war against NATO which I do not believe is in her interest.
Trying to promote Russia as world superpower, while holding US passport is ridiculous.
Nevertheless, nice try though!
(Simpatiku, 13 June 2011 21:13) "

Huh? I didn't know that Bosnia and Montenegro are Nato members? Obvviously Geography ain't your forte. And I don't think Bosnia can ever join Nato without Srpska's consent.

Sam

pre 12 godina

Sorry...I meant "Russia does NOT want him".
Outherwise he is the perfect type of wandering Jew. You can look up "wandering Jew" in google...it is also a plant....you will find pages and pages about wandering Jew".

Sam

pre 12 godina

"Trying to promote Russia as world superpower, while holding US passport is ridiculous. "
(Simpatiku

He is also holding a Hungarian and Russian passport and lives in Hungary.
Strangely enough he has loyalty only for Russia, even though Russia does want him. His problem is that he has no roots in these countries, he has no sense of belonging as a Jew. He should move to Israel.

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

That is a real threat and not some wet dream. It well can happen - and E.U. + NATO countries won't be very happy. Under what excuse gaining full access to Serbian soil by Russia may happen - is not very hard to imagine.

In any case this is a nightmare scenario for many governments in E.U. and NATO and there is very little they can do. Except show more carrots... And this is what all is about in that case.

In a nutshell: "please, do not run out of carrots, you will feel sorry".
(Ataman, 13 June 2011 17:07)

Who are you trying to fool Jez? Russia is not a threat even if she gets access and control to Serbian soil. Why you may ask? If you did some less than a minute of thinking, you would find out that Serbia is landlocked country. Therefore there will be neither air space or sea where she would logistically support her troops in Serbia, because everything goes through NATO countries.
The fact is that Russia took over Prishtina Airport through Serbian territory back in 1999. Russian forces refused to be under NATO command, until they became convinced that they will starve. Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary blocked their airspace for any Russian military aircraft and so Greece blocked the sea port for any Russian military ship that would provide logistic support for Russians in Prishtina Airport. I must remind you that back in that time none of those countries were NATO member except Greece.
Now, Serbia is encircled by NATO countries therefore Russia can pose no threat, unless she wants to enter in overall war against NATO which I do not believe is in her interest.
Trying to promote Russia as world superpower, while holding US passport is ridiculous.
Nevertheless, nice try though!

Ataman

pre 12 godina

The western puppet regime are desperately aware that they will be long gone even before next election.
(wtf, 13 June 2011 18:24)

Do not think it's a "puppet regime". They are trying one of the scenarios out of many.

The scenario they are trying did not work out for Gorbachyov who gave up everything without serious conditions and serious warranties. Gorbi was/is a more experienced statesman than the DS people - he was still cheated because he was caught off-guard.

So if they want to go the same way - good luck and watch your back.

By mere luck (if the predators turn out to be vegetarian) that can even work out. Given the past experience and seeing our dreams for better future being cheated somehow I don't feel comfortable.

And besides, negotiations from the position where you have a Russian missile or two beneath every square inch of your soil are usually more... successful for you. At least compared with the situation if you have nothing, only three MiG 29 airplanes.

The Count of Kosova

pre 12 godina

Ataman,

Before you make baseless comments, perhaps you should read this:

"In sum, the US is slowly but steadily getting the upper hand over its agenda of a regime change in Syria. Whether Moscow will buckle under this immense pressure and accept a rollback of its influence in Syria is the big question. Moscow has threatened to cooperate with Beijing and adopt a common stance over Syria. But Moscow's ability to counter the American juggernaut over Syria is weakening by the day.

The course of events over Syria will certainly impact profoundly on the US-Russia reset. The Obama administration seems to have done its homework and concluded that it is worth taking that risk for the sake of ensuring Israel's security. The warship that sailed into the Black Sea carries a blunt message to Russia to accept that it is a mere pale shadow of the former Soviet Union."

Authored by:

Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar was a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service. His assignments included the Soviet Union, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Germany, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kuwait and Turkey.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"In any case this is a nightmare scenario for many governments in E.U. and NATO and there is very little they can do. Except show more carrots... And this is what all is about in that case. "
(Ataman, 13 June 2011 17:07)

Serbia is too small and unimportant for the EU, they have no power to threaten anyone. In case Serbia citizens wants to isolate themselves again, they should feel free. Visa-free for trips to Russia should be sufficient, who wants to travel to EU states, anyway? In case Serbia should cause trouble again in the Balkans/neighboring countries, there's a lot EU and NATO can do, simple remember 1999.

wtf

pre 12 godina

"In any case this is a nightmare scenario for many governments in E.U. and NATO and there is very little they can do. Except show more carrots... And this is what all is about in that case. "

The western puppet regime are desperately aware that they will be long gone even before next election. Tadic and his western masters may try yet another "Saakaswahili" but to no avail and since the US/NATO again are provoking (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MF14Ak02.html) the Russians in the black sea, a "missile (s400) crisis" in Serbia beside turning Kaliningrad into a powder keg, may be the perfect answer.

US/€U will chicken out...

lowe

pre 12 godina

You can easily nullify any pressure, new or otherwise. Just give up your quest for EU membership -- of couse don't tell those bureaucrats in Brussels yet, continue to use their funds for as long as you can -- why do you wanna be a member anyway which really entails becoming the programmed slave of London, Paris and Berlin? It isn't as if the EU is currently flushed with money and opportunities.

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Mr Jeremic

"A Big Mistake"

This sounds like a threat and I would be very carefull if it was indeed meant like that.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 13 June 2011 14:50)

Indeed a threat. Let me translate it into English.

"We need to demonstrate quick results regarding integration into E.U. structures and the Belgrade-Pristina dialogue is part of that process. If we can't show a clear and quick European perspective - we will go down in flames at the next election. If that happens, not just the entire E.U. integration process will come to a halt. Even worse, an fairly powerful country which is considered to be NATO opponent may gain full access to Serbian soil, including military bases and missile stations".

That is a real threat and not some wet dream. It well can happen - and E.U. + NATO countries won't be very happy. Under what excuse gaining full access to Serbian soil by Russia may happen - is not very hard to imagine.

In any case this is a nightmare scenario for many governments in E.U. and NATO and there is very little they can do. Except show more carrots... And this is what all is about in that case.

In a nutshell: "please, do not run out of carrots, you will feel sorry".

Mark

pre 12 godina

FM warns new pressure would be "big mistake"

Tell that to Dacic when he is talking about Kosovo division,or territory exchange or splitting Kosovo between Albania and Serbia.

Cees

pre 12 godina

It is always interesting to read how Jeremic tries to keep the Serbian home-front at ease by perpetually coming up with his superfluous remarks. What is he talking about by posing there are "new pressures"? The pressures are still the same as they were as before: "Clean your house, make ethically and politically right laws and rules - and don't forget that they must be implemented -, and respect and have good relations to your neighbours". Maybe the last part is new to him though he should know better; in general he is not showing it in his speeches on the world arena.

Joe

pre 12 godina

Mr Jeremic

"A Big Mistake"

This sounds like a threat and I would be very carefull if it was indeed meant like that.

Tung

Actually it is a treat. He still doesn't realize that those times when Serbia was able to treaten anybody are gone for ever.

Joe

pre 12 godina

Mr Jeremic

"A Big Mistake"

This sounds like a threat and I would be very carefull if it was indeed meant like that.

Tung

Actually it is a treat. He still doesn't realize that those times when Serbia was able to treaten anybody are gone for ever.

Cees

pre 12 godina

It is always interesting to read how Jeremic tries to keep the Serbian home-front at ease by perpetually coming up with his superfluous remarks. What is he talking about by posing there are "new pressures"? The pressures are still the same as they were as before: "Clean your house, make ethically and politically right laws and rules - and don't forget that they must be implemented -, and respect and have good relations to your neighbours". Maybe the last part is new to him though he should know better; in general he is not showing it in his speeches on the world arena.

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

That is a real threat and not some wet dream. It well can happen - and E.U. + NATO countries won't be very happy. Under what excuse gaining full access to Serbian soil by Russia may happen - is not very hard to imagine.

In any case this is a nightmare scenario for many governments in E.U. and NATO and there is very little they can do. Except show more carrots... And this is what all is about in that case.

In a nutshell: "please, do not run out of carrots, you will feel sorry".
(Ataman, 13 June 2011 17:07)

Who are you trying to fool Jez? Russia is not a threat even if she gets access and control to Serbian soil. Why you may ask? If you did some less than a minute of thinking, you would find out that Serbia is landlocked country. Therefore there will be neither air space or sea where she would logistically support her troops in Serbia, because everything goes through NATO countries.
The fact is that Russia took over Prishtina Airport through Serbian territory back in 1999. Russian forces refused to be under NATO command, until they became convinced that they will starve. Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary blocked their airspace for any Russian military aircraft and so Greece blocked the sea port for any Russian military ship that would provide logistic support for Russians in Prishtina Airport. I must remind you that back in that time none of those countries were NATO member except Greece.
Now, Serbia is encircled by NATO countries therefore Russia can pose no threat, unless she wants to enter in overall war against NATO which I do not believe is in her interest.
Trying to promote Russia as world superpower, while holding US passport is ridiculous.
Nevertheless, nice try though!

Sam

pre 12 godina

"Trying to promote Russia as world superpower, while holding US passport is ridiculous. "
(Simpatiku

He is also holding a Hungarian and Russian passport and lives in Hungary.
Strangely enough he has loyalty only for Russia, even though Russia does want him. His problem is that he has no roots in these countries, he has no sense of belonging as a Jew. He should move to Israel.

The Count of Kosova

pre 12 godina

Ataman,

Before you make baseless comments, perhaps you should read this:

"In sum, the US is slowly but steadily getting the upper hand over its agenda of a regime change in Syria. Whether Moscow will buckle under this immense pressure and accept a rollback of its influence in Syria is the big question. Moscow has threatened to cooperate with Beijing and adopt a common stance over Syria. But Moscow's ability to counter the American juggernaut over Syria is weakening by the day.

The course of events over Syria will certainly impact profoundly on the US-Russia reset. The Obama administration seems to have done its homework and concluded that it is worth taking that risk for the sake of ensuring Israel's security. The warship that sailed into the Black Sea carries a blunt message to Russia to accept that it is a mere pale shadow of the former Soviet Union."

Authored by:

Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar was a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service. His assignments included the Soviet Union, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Germany, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kuwait and Turkey.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"In any case this is a nightmare scenario for many governments in E.U. and NATO and there is very little they can do. Except show more carrots... And this is what all is about in that case. "
(Ataman, 13 June 2011 17:07)

Serbia is too small and unimportant for the EU, they have no power to threaten anyone. In case Serbia citizens wants to isolate themselves again, they should feel free. Visa-free for trips to Russia should be sufficient, who wants to travel to EU states, anyway? In case Serbia should cause trouble again in the Balkans/neighboring countries, there's a lot EU and NATO can do, simple remember 1999.

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Sorry...I meant "Russia does NOT want him".
Outherwise he is the perfect type of wandering Jew. You can look up "wandering Jew" in google...it is also a plant....you will find pages and pages about wandering Jew".
(Sam, 14 June 2011 01:53)

Sam
As far as I am concerned, the person may have 30 citizenships, may be Jew, may support Serbia and still does not mean that he/she can not communicate with me. We Albanians have foreigners who are supportive of our cause, so Serbs have foreigners who are supportive of their.
What I do mind, is the sick manner and pathological hater this guy has and uses for Albanians for no reason. He laughs with our language, culture and everything also for no reason.
He uses B92 to even threat Albanians with murder and deportation by saying that according to him "we will get all our "money" back for what is worth will all interest accumulated".
He has no problem for this site to be used as Albanian bashing section. However, he has a big problem when he thinks this site is used as Jew bashing section.

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Yeah, it looks like it's going to be an other Jew-bashing section or what-not.

Just an answer for you and the ones like you.

Probably because there aren't enough old, rusty spoons in Israel, that's why.
Serbs will always need some extra rusty spoons as they move into Kosovo and I found a good supply of that stuff here. ;-)

Tung!
(Je¿ szeszeljski, wêgierski i amerikañski, 14 June 2011 10:49)

What's wrong Ataman? The existence of Albanian-bashing section with you leading it, is no problem for you, but you have a big problem with Jew-bashing section. Hurts, uh?

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Mr Jeremic

"A Big Mistake"

This sounds like a threat and I would be very carefull if it was indeed meant like that.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 13 June 2011 14:50)

Indeed a threat. Let me translate it into English.

"We need to demonstrate quick results regarding integration into E.U. structures and the Belgrade-Pristina dialogue is part of that process. If we can't show a clear and quick European perspective - we will go down in flames at the next election. If that happens, not just the entire E.U. integration process will come to a halt. Even worse, an fairly powerful country which is considered to be NATO opponent may gain full access to Serbian soil, including military bases and missile stations".

That is a real threat and not some wet dream. It well can happen - and E.U. + NATO countries won't be very happy. Under what excuse gaining full access to Serbian soil by Russia may happen - is not very hard to imagine.

In any case this is a nightmare scenario for many governments in E.U. and NATO and there is very little they can do. Except show more carrots... And this is what all is about in that case.

In a nutshell: "please, do not run out of carrots, you will feel sorry".

delusional jeremic

pre 12 godina

Well, the speech of the FM seems me Crystal clear, he wants join EU BUT not stop his policy of build a superserbia at expense of their neighbors. Specifically he wants continue talk to Pristina within the formula “I don’t recognize you right to existence, I want your land BUT I need demonstrate for EU public Serbian capacity of dialogue for membership so I want a kafkanian dialogue with a no name interlocutor about how implement Serbian living in north Kosovo and his capacity of defiance toward the Pristina government” and of course he don’t wants “be pressed” for a recognizing of the political reality on the ground.
The Jeremic´s idea expressed when Tadic wanted the European path is “we can both, Europe and superserbia and if we don’t succeed we will lose nothing trying”… Serbia demonstrated his political power prisoning croat war commandants before for be palatable for his internal public trying share Europe for Madlic and pushing ahead the organ trafficking case with no one proof over the alleged dozens of Serbian victims over the many dozen of mass graves made by Serbian “clean up”, very extensively fact till now don’t officially recognized by Europe by denying put on Serbian nation the genocide action on dismantling of Yugoslavia BUT is necessary very more than political power and intolerance for build the future of Serbian nation and compromise of course is need for instead the “ever win” wanted by Serbian elite, Serbia needs a political plan that finally understand its past actions and draw future upon real pillars and not by imposing “Serbian truth” by force using nationalism like feed, Slavic people understand land, landlords and mujiks but this feudal system is gone, Serbia don’t need Kosovo, Sprska, Vojvodina and Presevo valley too, this is only attempt fo made a big Serbia but on map but inutile on real, Serbia don’t need space there are very sufficient of real Serbian lands and the past actions turned impossible good relation with Albania Croatia and Bosnia Serbia needs apologize and return their lands AND courting its real bride not attempt kidnap it Montenegro, the today geoeconomic position is very weak, Montenegro harbours is necessary not wheat punition AND see his today friends Slovakia Romania perhaps Bulgaria and try Hungary with vojvodina devolution, the path to east and his Slavic friends only then will have condition of create a future and then be able for European path and further reconciliation with their mistreated neighbors.
The jeremic realpolitik is very damaging to Serbia not a no cost policy he pretend be, he is a delusional dandy believing his “personal qualities” and political power of his friends will construct a “history” over the history, manage history needs wisdom so perfect vision not dreams of a witch apprentice.

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Huh? I didn't know that Bosnia and Montenegro are Nato members? Obvviously Geography ain't your forte. And I don't think Bosnia can ever join Nato without Srpska's consent.
(lowe, 14 June 2011 03:26)

Obviously geography is my forte. I did not say that Montenegro and Bosnia are NATO members. However, you can not get to Montenegro and Bosnia from Russia without using either air space or territorial waters of NATO countries.

Mark

pre 12 godina

FM warns new pressure would be "big mistake"

Tell that to Dacic when he is talking about Kosovo division,or territory exchange or splitting Kosovo between Albania and Serbia.

lowe

pre 12 godina

You can easily nullify any pressure, new or otherwise. Just give up your quest for EU membership -- of couse don't tell those bureaucrats in Brussels yet, continue to use their funds for as long as you can -- why do you wanna be a member anyway which really entails becoming the programmed slave of London, Paris and Berlin? It isn't as if the EU is currently flushed with money and opportunities.

Sam

pre 12 godina

Sorry...I meant "Russia does NOT want him".
Outherwise he is the perfect type of wandering Jew. You can look up "wandering Jew" in google...it is also a plant....you will find pages and pages about wandering Jew".

Joe

pre 12 godina

What's wrong Ataman? The existence of Albanian-bashing section with you leading it, is no problem for you, but you have a big problem with Jew-bashing section. Hurts, uh?
Simpatiku

Since 1945 he and all Hungarian Jews act like spoiled children. Whatever they did against Hungary or Hungarians since that time they could do it with impunity. No ctiticism was allowed. If anybody had the guts to speak out he lost his job right away and was branded immediately a "nazi". This fear to speak up is slowly changing. Naturally they don't like it. They react with a lot of vituperation. You can see how Ataman insult me days in and days out and he can't understand that he is not able to silence me, that I couldn't care less of Dohany utca.
Hungarian Jews think that since some of their members suffered in 1944-45 they are allowed privileged treatement. They feel that they can insulte other people but nobody should dare to criticize them in the slightest way. In Hungary they became a state within a state. In the US this unhealthy situation does not exist even though there are 3,5 - 4 million of them. They know that they are not above the law. If any of them commits a crime he gets prosecuted like anybody else. For this reason the anti-Semitism is minimal. Also most of the American Jews are patriotic. No such thing among Hungarian Jews.

wtf

pre 12 godina

"In any case this is a nightmare scenario for many governments in E.U. and NATO and there is very little they can do. Except show more carrots... And this is what all is about in that case. "

The western puppet regime are desperately aware that they will be long gone even before next election. Tadic and his western masters may try yet another "Saakaswahili" but to no avail and since the US/NATO again are provoking (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MF14Ak02.html) the Russians in the black sea, a "missile (s400) crisis" in Serbia beside turning Kaliningrad into a powder keg, may be the perfect answer.

US/€U will chicken out...

Ataman

pre 12 godina

The western puppet regime are desperately aware that they will be long gone even before next election.
(wtf, 13 June 2011 18:24)

Do not think it's a "puppet regime". They are trying one of the scenarios out of many.

The scenario they are trying did not work out for Gorbachyov who gave up everything without serious conditions and serious warranties. Gorbi was/is a more experienced statesman than the DS people - he was still cheated because he was caught off-guard.

So if they want to go the same way - good luck and watch your back.

By mere luck (if the predators turn out to be vegetarian) that can even work out. Given the past experience and seeing our dreams for better future being cheated somehow I don't feel comfortable.

And besides, negotiations from the position where you have a Russian missile or two beneath every square inch of your soil are usually more... successful for you. At least compared with the situation if you have nothing, only three MiG 29 airplanes.

Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

Probably because there aren't enough old, rusty spoons in Israel, that's why.
Serbs will always need some extra rusty spoons as they move into Kosovo and I found a good supply of that stuff here. ;-)
***
Ataman, whenever I think you can't fall any lower you still manage to surprise me. Considering the background of the recent atrocities in the Balkans your remarks can only be qualified as sick and disrespectful.

Regarding the “rusty spoon”:
Q: "Are you Chetniks still cutting throats?"
Šešelj: "Oh, yes. Only we've changed our methods of slaughter. We no longer use knives, we use rusty shoespoons so that one cannot tell whether the victim was killed by slaughter or died of tetanus."

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Since 1945 he and all Hungarian Jews act like spoiled children. Whatever they did against Hungary or Hungarians since that time they could do it with impunity. No ctiticism was allowed. If anybody had the guts to speak out he lost his job right away and was branded immediately a "nazi". This fear to speak up is slowly changing. Naturally they don't like it. They react with a lot of vituperation. You can see how Ataman insult me days in and days out and he can't understand that he is not able to silence me, that I couldn't care less of Dohany utca.
Hungarian Jews think that since some of their members suffered in 1944-45 they are allowed privileged treatement. They feel that they can insulte other people but nobody should dare to criticize them in the slightest way. In Hungary they became a state within a state. In the US this unhealthy situation does not exist even though there are 3,5 - 4 million of them. They know that they are not above the law. If any of them commits a crime he gets prosecuted like anybody else. For this reason the anti-Semitism is minimal. Also most of the American Jews are patriotic. No such thing among Hungarian Jews.
(Joe, 14 June 2011 18:25)

Joe
I understand my friend. Although, the information that you have just provided is new to me.
I believe we agree that no one will be allowed to happen what happened to the Jews in Europe during the darkness of Nazi time.
As you had a chance to see I always try to stick to the topic when I comment and not insult anyone. However when I reply to the repeated insult on my being, on my tradition and everything Albanian, Ataman replies with calling me a caveman and providing a link on how I look according to him.
Like I said, I do not mind him supporting Serbia but there are plenty of other ways to show this support without getting to laugh at culture, traditions and words.

Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

Considering the background of the recent atrocities in the Balkans your remarks can only be qualified as sick and disrespectful.
(Iznogoud, 15 June 2011 08:41)

No respect to provocateur, cavemen and nazivomiting.
(Je¿ prowokatywny, prymitywny i narodowo-socjalistyczny, 15 June 2011 11:03)
***
Have you looked into a mirror recently?

Ataman

pre 12 godina

"In sum, the US is slowly but steadily getting the upper hand over its agenda of a regime change in Syria.
(The Count of Kosova, 13 June 2011 20:22)

You think black-and-white with Syria.
Russia is very reluctant to support a degenerated regime like of Assad in particular while Medvedjev has excellent relationship and extended ties with Israel. Israel is busy to have closer ties not only with Russia and Ukraine - even with the bizarre regime in Belarus.

This is because at this moment Israel's ethnic picture is undergoing a radical change.

Under such circumstances Russia would be insane to support Syria... simply because it's relationship with Israel is better at this moment and Israel is an excellent "bridge" between Russia and America. Why spend money supporting unpopular regimes?

lowe

pre 12 godina

“Obviously geography is my forte. I did not say that Montenegro and Bosnia are NATO members. However, you can not get to Montenegro and Bosnia from Russia without using either air space or territorial waters of NATO countries.
(Simpatiku, 14 June 2011 10:29)”

I would beg to differ – geography is definitely NOT your forte!

Let me help you in your amnesia. On 13 June, you wrote that “Now, Serbia is encircled by NATO countries therefore Russia can pose no threat,” Well, if you would care to check the atlas, the countries that encircle Serbia include Montenegro and Bosnia, both of which are NOT in NATO! So your assertion that Serbia is encircled by NATO countries is WRONG!

Je¿ szeszeljski, wêgierski i amerikañski

pre 12 godina

He should move to Israel.
(Sam, 13 June 2011 22:07)

Yeah, it looks like it's going to be an other Jew-bashing section or what-not.

Just an answer for you and the ones like you.

Probably because there aren't enough old, rusty spoons in Israel, that's why.
Serbs will always need some extra rusty spoons as they move into Kosovo and I found a good supply of that stuff here. ;-)

Tung!

Je¿ neandertalski, patetyczny i ¿a³osny

pre 12 godina

He uses B92 to even threat Albanians with murder and deportation by saying that according to him "we will get all our "money" back for what is worth will all interest accumulated".
(Simpatiku, 14 June 2011 11:50)

Pathetiku - time to get a cold shower in that heat.

Yes, of course you will get all your money back, for what is it worth, with all interest accumulated. I stick to my words. Anyone is free to interpret it as they want. Who interprets it as a "murder and deportation" is the neanderthal caveman who does the same.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Neanderthaler_Fund.png

Probably time to change your nick... My suggestion "pathetiku" fits you perfectly.

lowe

pre 12 godina

"Now, Serbia is encircled by NATO countries therefore Russia can pose no threat, unless she wants to enter in overall war against NATO which I do not believe is in her interest.
Trying to promote Russia as world superpower, while holding US passport is ridiculous.
Nevertheless, nice try though!
(Simpatiku, 13 June 2011 21:13) "

Huh? I didn't know that Bosnia and Montenegro are Nato members? Obvviously Geography ain't your forte. And I don't think Bosnia can ever join Nato without Srpska's consent.

Je¿ prowokatywny, prymitywny i narodowo-socjalistyczny

pre 12 godina

Considering the background of the recent atrocities in the Balkans your remarks can only be qualified as sick and disrespectful.
(Iznogoud, 15 June 2011 08:41)

No respect to provocateur, cavemen and nazivomiting.

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Before anyone judges the long essay of "Joe" take a note that all that is about the "Dohány Street" - and according his words he does not even care about it.

Thank you Joe, my next vacation is Dohány Street.

Kicsi pöcök: nyilas köcsög

pre 12 godina

They feel that they can insulte other people but nobody should dare to criticize them in the slightest way. In Hungary they became a state within a state.
(Joe, 14 June 2011 18:25)

Not just that - the entire 9/11 was organized by them and executed with the help of Serbian terrorists. But no one dares to speak about it. The name of suspected perpetrator was Józsiros Nácigeci and he lives in the Dohány utca, just across the big Synagogue.

Je¿ albañski, kosowski i fotograficzny

pre 12 godina

Have you looked into a mirror recently?
(Iznogoud, 15 June 2011 12:05)

Recently did see through the mirror lens a few - but they did not wanted to go forward.
I have only 1000mm lens - now from here I can't see that good. Don't worry, next time.

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Mr Jeremic

"A Big Mistake"

This sounds like a threat and I would be very carefull if it was indeed meant like that.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 13 June 2011 14:50)

Indeed a threat. Let me translate it into English.

"We need to demonstrate quick results regarding integration into E.U. structures and the Belgrade-Pristina dialogue is part of that process. If we can't show a clear and quick European perspective - we will go down in flames at the next election. If that happens, not just the entire E.U. integration process will come to a halt. Even worse, an fairly powerful country which is considered to be NATO opponent may gain full access to Serbian soil, including military bases and missile stations".

That is a real threat and not some wet dream. It well can happen - and E.U. + NATO countries won't be very happy. Under what excuse gaining full access to Serbian soil by Russia may happen - is not very hard to imagine.

In any case this is a nightmare scenario for many governments in E.U. and NATO and there is very little they can do. Except show more carrots... And this is what all is about in that case.

In a nutshell: "please, do not run out of carrots, you will feel sorry".

wtf

pre 12 godina

"In any case this is a nightmare scenario for many governments in E.U. and NATO and there is very little they can do. Except show more carrots... And this is what all is about in that case. "

The western puppet regime are desperately aware that they will be long gone even before next election. Tadic and his western masters may try yet another "Saakaswahili" but to no avail and since the US/NATO again are provoking (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MF14Ak02.html) the Russians in the black sea, a "missile (s400) crisis" in Serbia beside turning Kaliningrad into a powder keg, may be the perfect answer.

US/€U will chicken out...

Ataman

pre 12 godina

The western puppet regime are desperately aware that they will be long gone even before next election.
(wtf, 13 June 2011 18:24)

Do not think it's a "puppet regime". They are trying one of the scenarios out of many.

The scenario they are trying did not work out for Gorbachyov who gave up everything without serious conditions and serious warranties. Gorbi was/is a more experienced statesman than the DS people - he was still cheated because he was caught off-guard.

So if they want to go the same way - good luck and watch your back.

By mere luck (if the predators turn out to be vegetarian) that can even work out. Given the past experience and seeing our dreams for better future being cheated somehow I don't feel comfortable.

And besides, negotiations from the position where you have a Russian missile or two beneath every square inch of your soil are usually more... successful for you. At least compared with the situation if you have nothing, only three MiG 29 airplanes.

Joe

pre 12 godina

Mr Jeremic

"A Big Mistake"

This sounds like a threat and I would be very carefull if it was indeed meant like that.

Tung

Actually it is a treat. He still doesn't realize that those times when Serbia was able to treaten anybody are gone for ever.

lowe

pre 12 godina

You can easily nullify any pressure, new or otherwise. Just give up your quest for EU membership -- of couse don't tell those bureaucrats in Brussels yet, continue to use their funds for as long as you can -- why do you wanna be a member anyway which really entails becoming the programmed slave of London, Paris and Berlin? It isn't as if the EU is currently flushed with money and opportunities.

Je¿ neandertalski, patetyczny i ¿a³osny

pre 12 godina

He uses B92 to even threat Albanians with murder and deportation by saying that according to him "we will get all our "money" back for what is worth will all interest accumulated".
(Simpatiku, 14 June 2011 11:50)

Pathetiku - time to get a cold shower in that heat.

Yes, of course you will get all your money back, for what is it worth, with all interest accumulated. I stick to my words. Anyone is free to interpret it as they want. Who interprets it as a "murder and deportation" is the neanderthal caveman who does the same.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Neanderthaler_Fund.png

Probably time to change your nick... My suggestion "pathetiku" fits you perfectly.

Je¿ szeszeljski, wêgierski i amerikañski

pre 12 godina

He should move to Israel.
(Sam, 13 June 2011 22:07)

Yeah, it looks like it's going to be an other Jew-bashing section or what-not.

Just an answer for you and the ones like you.

Probably because there aren't enough old, rusty spoons in Israel, that's why.
Serbs will always need some extra rusty spoons as they move into Kosovo and I found a good supply of that stuff here. ;-)

Tung!

lowe

pre 12 godina

“Obviously geography is my forte. I did not say that Montenegro and Bosnia are NATO members. However, you can not get to Montenegro and Bosnia from Russia without using either air space or territorial waters of NATO countries.
(Simpatiku, 14 June 2011 10:29)”

I would beg to differ – geography is definitely NOT your forte!

Let me help you in your amnesia. On 13 June, you wrote that “Now, Serbia is encircled by NATO countries therefore Russia can pose no threat,” Well, if you would care to check the atlas, the countries that encircle Serbia include Montenegro and Bosnia, both of which are NOT in NATO! So your assertion that Serbia is encircled by NATO countries is WRONG!

Ataman

pre 12 godina

"In sum, the US is slowly but steadily getting the upper hand over its agenda of a regime change in Syria.
(The Count of Kosova, 13 June 2011 20:22)

You think black-and-white with Syria.
Russia is very reluctant to support a degenerated regime like of Assad in particular while Medvedjev has excellent relationship and extended ties with Israel. Israel is busy to have closer ties not only with Russia and Ukraine - even with the bizarre regime in Belarus.

This is because at this moment Israel's ethnic picture is undergoing a radical change.

Under such circumstances Russia would be insane to support Syria... simply because it's relationship with Israel is better at this moment and Israel is an excellent "bridge" between Russia and America. Why spend money supporting unpopular regimes?

lowe

pre 12 godina

"Now, Serbia is encircled by NATO countries therefore Russia can pose no threat, unless she wants to enter in overall war against NATO which I do not believe is in her interest.
Trying to promote Russia as world superpower, while holding US passport is ridiculous.
Nevertheless, nice try though!
(Simpatiku, 13 June 2011 21:13) "

Huh? I didn't know that Bosnia and Montenegro are Nato members? Obvviously Geography ain't your forte. And I don't think Bosnia can ever join Nato without Srpska's consent.

Cees

pre 12 godina

It is always interesting to read how Jeremic tries to keep the Serbian home-front at ease by perpetually coming up with his superfluous remarks. What is he talking about by posing there are "new pressures"? The pressures are still the same as they were as before: "Clean your house, make ethically and politically right laws and rules - and don't forget that they must be implemented -, and respect and have good relations to your neighbours". Maybe the last part is new to him though he should know better; in general he is not showing it in his speeches on the world arena.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"In any case this is a nightmare scenario for many governments in E.U. and NATO and there is very little they can do. Except show more carrots... And this is what all is about in that case. "
(Ataman, 13 June 2011 17:07)

Serbia is too small and unimportant for the EU, they have no power to threaten anyone. In case Serbia citizens wants to isolate themselves again, they should feel free. Visa-free for trips to Russia should be sufficient, who wants to travel to EU states, anyway? In case Serbia should cause trouble again in the Balkans/neighboring countries, there's a lot EU and NATO can do, simple remember 1999.

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

That is a real threat and not some wet dream. It well can happen - and E.U. + NATO countries won't be very happy. Under what excuse gaining full access to Serbian soil by Russia may happen - is not very hard to imagine.

In any case this is a nightmare scenario for many governments in E.U. and NATO and there is very little they can do. Except show more carrots... And this is what all is about in that case.

In a nutshell: "please, do not run out of carrots, you will feel sorry".
(Ataman, 13 June 2011 17:07)

Who are you trying to fool Jez? Russia is not a threat even if she gets access and control to Serbian soil. Why you may ask? If you did some less than a minute of thinking, you would find out that Serbia is landlocked country. Therefore there will be neither air space or sea where she would logistically support her troops in Serbia, because everything goes through NATO countries.
The fact is that Russia took over Prishtina Airport through Serbian territory back in 1999. Russian forces refused to be under NATO command, until they became convinced that they will starve. Bulgaria, Romania and Hungary blocked their airspace for any Russian military aircraft and so Greece blocked the sea port for any Russian military ship that would provide logistic support for Russians in Prishtina Airport. I must remind you that back in that time none of those countries were NATO member except Greece.
Now, Serbia is encircled by NATO countries therefore Russia can pose no threat, unless she wants to enter in overall war against NATO which I do not believe is in her interest.
Trying to promote Russia as world superpower, while holding US passport is ridiculous.
Nevertheless, nice try though!

The Count of Kosova

pre 12 godina

Ataman,

Before you make baseless comments, perhaps you should read this:

"In sum, the US is slowly but steadily getting the upper hand over its agenda of a regime change in Syria. Whether Moscow will buckle under this immense pressure and accept a rollback of its influence in Syria is the big question. Moscow has threatened to cooperate with Beijing and adopt a common stance over Syria. But Moscow's ability to counter the American juggernaut over Syria is weakening by the day.

The course of events over Syria will certainly impact profoundly on the US-Russia reset. The Obama administration seems to have done its homework and concluded that it is worth taking that risk for the sake of ensuring Israel's security. The warship that sailed into the Black Sea carries a blunt message to Russia to accept that it is a mere pale shadow of the former Soviet Union."

Authored by:

Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar was a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service. His assignments included the Soviet Union, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Germany, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kuwait and Turkey.

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Before anyone judges the long essay of "Joe" take a note that all that is about the "Dohány Street" - and according his words he does not even care about it.

Thank you Joe, my next vacation is Dohány Street.

Je¿ prowokatywny, prymitywny i narodowo-socjalistyczny

pre 12 godina

Considering the background of the recent atrocities in the Balkans your remarks can only be qualified as sick and disrespectful.
(Iznogoud, 15 June 2011 08:41)

No respect to provocateur, cavemen and nazivomiting.

Je¿ albañski, kosowski i fotograficzny

pre 12 godina

Have you looked into a mirror recently?
(Iznogoud, 15 June 2011 12:05)

Recently did see through the mirror lens a few - but they did not wanted to go forward.
I have only 1000mm lens - now from here I can't see that good. Don't worry, next time.

Mark

pre 12 godina

FM warns new pressure would be "big mistake"

Tell that to Dacic when he is talking about Kosovo division,or territory exchange or splitting Kosovo between Albania and Serbia.

Kicsi pöcök: nyilas köcsög

pre 12 godina

They feel that they can insulte other people but nobody should dare to criticize them in the slightest way. In Hungary they became a state within a state.
(Joe, 14 June 2011 18:25)

Not just that - the entire 9/11 was organized by them and executed with the help of Serbian terrorists. But no one dares to speak about it. The name of suspected perpetrator was Józsiros Nácigeci and he lives in the Dohány utca, just across the big Synagogue.

Sam

pre 12 godina

"Trying to promote Russia as world superpower, while holding US passport is ridiculous. "
(Simpatiku

He is also holding a Hungarian and Russian passport and lives in Hungary.
Strangely enough he has loyalty only for Russia, even though Russia does want him. His problem is that he has no roots in these countries, he has no sense of belonging as a Jew. He should move to Israel.

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Huh? I didn't know that Bosnia and Montenegro are Nato members? Obvviously Geography ain't your forte. And I don't think Bosnia can ever join Nato without Srpska's consent.
(lowe, 14 June 2011 03:26)

Obviously geography is my forte. I did not say that Montenegro and Bosnia are NATO members. However, you can not get to Montenegro and Bosnia from Russia without using either air space or territorial waters of NATO countries.

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Yeah, it looks like it's going to be an other Jew-bashing section or what-not.

Just an answer for you and the ones like you.

Probably because there aren't enough old, rusty spoons in Israel, that's why.
Serbs will always need some extra rusty spoons as they move into Kosovo and I found a good supply of that stuff here. ;-)

Tung!
(Je¿ szeszeljski, wêgierski i amerikañski, 14 June 2011 10:49)

What's wrong Ataman? The existence of Albanian-bashing section with you leading it, is no problem for you, but you have a big problem with Jew-bashing section. Hurts, uh?

Sam

pre 12 godina

Sorry...I meant "Russia does NOT want him".
Outherwise he is the perfect type of wandering Jew. You can look up "wandering Jew" in google...it is also a plant....you will find pages and pages about wandering Jew".

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Sorry...I meant "Russia does NOT want him".
Outherwise he is the perfect type of wandering Jew. You can look up "wandering Jew" in google...it is also a plant....you will find pages and pages about wandering Jew".
(Sam, 14 June 2011 01:53)

Sam
As far as I am concerned, the person may have 30 citizenships, may be Jew, may support Serbia and still does not mean that he/she can not communicate with me. We Albanians have foreigners who are supportive of our cause, so Serbs have foreigners who are supportive of their.
What I do mind, is the sick manner and pathological hater this guy has and uses for Albanians for no reason. He laughs with our language, culture and everything also for no reason.
He uses B92 to even threat Albanians with murder and deportation by saying that according to him "we will get all our "money" back for what is worth will all interest accumulated".
He has no problem for this site to be used as Albanian bashing section. However, he has a big problem when he thinks this site is used as Jew bashing section.

delusional jeremic

pre 12 godina

Well, the speech of the FM seems me Crystal clear, he wants join EU BUT not stop his policy of build a superserbia at expense of their neighbors. Specifically he wants continue talk to Pristina within the formula “I don’t recognize you right to existence, I want your land BUT I need demonstrate for EU public Serbian capacity of dialogue for membership so I want a kafkanian dialogue with a no name interlocutor about how implement Serbian living in north Kosovo and his capacity of defiance toward the Pristina government” and of course he don’t wants “be pressed” for a recognizing of the political reality on the ground.
The Jeremic´s idea expressed when Tadic wanted the European path is “we can both, Europe and superserbia and if we don’t succeed we will lose nothing trying”… Serbia demonstrated his political power prisoning croat war commandants before for be palatable for his internal public trying share Europe for Madlic and pushing ahead the organ trafficking case with no one proof over the alleged dozens of Serbian victims over the many dozen of mass graves made by Serbian “clean up”, very extensively fact till now don’t officially recognized by Europe by denying put on Serbian nation the genocide action on dismantling of Yugoslavia BUT is necessary very more than political power and intolerance for build the future of Serbian nation and compromise of course is need for instead the “ever win” wanted by Serbian elite, Serbia needs a political plan that finally understand its past actions and draw future upon real pillars and not by imposing “Serbian truth” by force using nationalism like feed, Slavic people understand land, landlords and mujiks but this feudal system is gone, Serbia don’t need Kosovo, Sprska, Vojvodina and Presevo valley too, this is only attempt fo made a big Serbia but on map but inutile on real, Serbia don’t need space there are very sufficient of real Serbian lands and the past actions turned impossible good relation with Albania Croatia and Bosnia Serbia needs apologize and return their lands AND courting its real bride not attempt kidnap it Montenegro, the today geoeconomic position is very weak, Montenegro harbours is necessary not wheat punition AND see his today friends Slovakia Romania perhaps Bulgaria and try Hungary with vojvodina devolution, the path to east and his Slavic friends only then will have condition of create a future and then be able for European path and further reconciliation with their mistreated neighbors.
The jeremic realpolitik is very damaging to Serbia not a no cost policy he pretend be, he is a delusional dandy believing his “personal qualities” and political power of his friends will construct a “history” over the history, manage history needs wisdom so perfect vision not dreams of a witch apprentice.

Joe

pre 12 godina

What's wrong Ataman? The existence of Albanian-bashing section with you leading it, is no problem for you, but you have a big problem with Jew-bashing section. Hurts, uh?
Simpatiku

Since 1945 he and all Hungarian Jews act like spoiled children. Whatever they did against Hungary or Hungarians since that time they could do it with impunity. No ctiticism was allowed. If anybody had the guts to speak out he lost his job right away and was branded immediately a "nazi". This fear to speak up is slowly changing. Naturally they don't like it. They react with a lot of vituperation. You can see how Ataman insult me days in and days out and he can't understand that he is not able to silence me, that I couldn't care less of Dohany utca.
Hungarian Jews think that since some of their members suffered in 1944-45 they are allowed privileged treatement. They feel that they can insulte other people but nobody should dare to criticize them in the slightest way. In Hungary they became a state within a state. In the US this unhealthy situation does not exist even though there are 3,5 - 4 million of them. They know that they are not above the law. If any of them commits a crime he gets prosecuted like anybody else. For this reason the anti-Semitism is minimal. Also most of the American Jews are patriotic. No such thing among Hungarian Jews.

Simpatiku

pre 12 godina

Since 1945 he and all Hungarian Jews act like spoiled children. Whatever they did against Hungary or Hungarians since that time they could do it with impunity. No ctiticism was allowed. If anybody had the guts to speak out he lost his job right away and was branded immediately a "nazi". This fear to speak up is slowly changing. Naturally they don't like it. They react with a lot of vituperation. You can see how Ataman insult me days in and days out and he can't understand that he is not able to silence me, that I couldn't care less of Dohany utca.
Hungarian Jews think that since some of their members suffered in 1944-45 they are allowed privileged treatement. They feel that they can insulte other people but nobody should dare to criticize them in the slightest way. In Hungary they became a state within a state. In the US this unhealthy situation does not exist even though there are 3,5 - 4 million of them. They know that they are not above the law. If any of them commits a crime he gets prosecuted like anybody else. For this reason the anti-Semitism is minimal. Also most of the American Jews are patriotic. No such thing among Hungarian Jews.
(Joe, 14 June 2011 18:25)

Joe
I understand my friend. Although, the information that you have just provided is new to me.
I believe we agree that no one will be allowed to happen what happened to the Jews in Europe during the darkness of Nazi time.
As you had a chance to see I always try to stick to the topic when I comment and not insult anyone. However when I reply to the repeated insult on my being, on my tradition and everything Albanian, Ataman replies with calling me a caveman and providing a link on how I look according to him.
Like I said, I do not mind him supporting Serbia but there are plenty of other ways to show this support without getting to laugh at culture, traditions and words.

Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

Probably because there aren't enough old, rusty spoons in Israel, that's why.
Serbs will always need some extra rusty spoons as they move into Kosovo and I found a good supply of that stuff here. ;-)
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Ataman, whenever I think you can't fall any lower you still manage to surprise me. Considering the background of the recent atrocities in the Balkans your remarks can only be qualified as sick and disrespectful.

Regarding the “rusty spoon”:
Q: "Are you Chetniks still cutting throats?"
Šešelj: "Oh, yes. Only we've changed our methods of slaughter. We no longer use knives, we use rusty shoespoons so that one cannot tell whether the victim was killed by slaughter or died of tetanus."

Iznogoud

pre 12 godina

Considering the background of the recent atrocities in the Balkans your remarks can only be qualified as sick and disrespectful.
(Iznogoud, 15 June 2011 08:41)

No respect to provocateur, cavemen and nazivomiting.
(Je¿ prowokatywny, prymitywny i narodowo-socjalistyczny, 15 June 2011 11:03)
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Have you looked into a mirror recently?