NATO and partner countries in Belgrade conference

The NATO just being invited to sit in Belgrade, leaves a horribly bitter taste in my mouth. It is still way too early for this aggressive American military organization to be doing in business in Serbia.

"you serbs stop acting like sindorelas.
nato bombed you becouse you deserved and will agean if you make more truble.
biger and powerfull countries than you got bombed,germany,japan,war ger-rus,ect.
you are not the first nor the last,better find out what you did wrong and move on.
(delon, 13 June 2011 14:40) "

I've a hunch you're just plain jealous that this conference is gathering in Belgrade and not Pristina or even Tirana!

Maybe the Nato generals don't wanna lose their watches in Tirana! As for Pristina, they could come off even worse and lsoe their body organs!!! Ha ha ha ha ha!
(lowe, 13 June 2011 17:06)
Don't loose control of yourself.You are not doing anybody any favor by behaving like a cheerleader.
The fact of the matter is that chances of Serbia staying out of NATO are slim and no matter how much the population despises the organization that bombed them a decade ago they control nothing. With Tadic in power their future is already planed for them. Russia will also have to let go as it will become impossible to keep Serbia. It all has to do with geopolitics and the location of Serbia is in her disadvantage - not in Russia backyard.

"@lowe.
why would i be jelous,tirana is in the nato,prishtina olso(nato protectorate).
isn't it better that NATO come to belgrade told belgrade what it should do,and ,oh,belgrade has to pay the bill of gathering expenses.
(delon, 13 June 2011 16:15)"

And did it ever occur to you why Nato still wanna meet in Belgrade despite Albania being a member? Maybe the Nato generals don't wanna lose their watches in Tirana! As for Pristina, they could come off even worse and lsoe their body organs!!! Ha ha ha ha ha! But seriously I think "Kosova" probably can't afford to pay for the gathering anyway. :)

Nato won't be telling Serbia anything in a hurry the way I see it. It will probably try to go on a charm offensive to try to convince the Serbians that Nato membership is good for them -- after all, I understand that unlike EU membership, a majority of Serbians are not for Nato membership -- and Serbia is the only country standing in the way of the Danube becoming a Nato river.

you serbs stop acting like sindorelas.
nato bombed you becouse you deserved and will agean if you make more truble.
biger and powerfull countries than you got bombed,germany,japan,war ger-rus,ect.
you are not the first nor the last,better find out what you did wrong and move on.

"why would i be jelous,tirana is in the nato,prishtina olso(nato protectorate). "
(delon, 13 June 2011 16:15)

Not exactly. Prishtina (i.e. the 'independent' state of Kosovo) is not a NATO protectorate, but a UN protectorate (province under UN supervision, UN1244)

"Don't loose control of yourself.You are not doing anybody any favor by behaving like a cheerleader.
The fact of the matter is that chances of Serbia staying out of NATO are slim and no matter how much the population despises the organization that bombed them a decade ago they control nothing. With Tadic in power their future is already planed for them. Russia will also have to let go as it will become impossible to keep Serbia. It all has to do with geopolitics and the location of Serbia is in her disadvantage - not in Russia backyard.
(highduke, 13 June 2011 18:32) "

Calm down highduke, I never thought it was in Serbia's ultimate interest to join the EU and especially Nato. Need not be too pessimistic about Serbia resisting Nato's membership -- I think even Tadic wouldn't be so dense to go against the electorate's wishes on this subject unless he's planning a premature retirement. My point was to poke at the likes of delon who seemed to think that Pristina is Nato's crown jesel instead of an endless financial drain.

highduke,

in my reply to you, there's a typo in my last sentence -- should be "crown jewel" instead of "crown jesel".

It's like certain countries are not allowed to be neutral or just let alone. I'm sure Serbia just wants to live in peace and not always be set up for attacks and staged wars or join NATO have to support support NATO missions all over the Middle East and now Africa.
NATO was originally said to be a defense pact against the Soviet Union but now is a way for U.S. to get a larger and larger number of countries to help support its agendas in the world - share costs, send soldiers, weaponry, staff, give consent to UN resolutions and the like.

"The conference gathered in Tirana two years ago. Yet i don't like NATO, we are a full rights/obligation member, but still they won't allow us to deploy troops in Kosovo.... ''under NATO command '' of course. When we became Nato member i was expecting my gov to retreat all proffessionals from Midle east, Bosnia, Afganistan and Afrika and send them to Kosovo in addition to Police Special Forces and serve the motherland properly. If we deploy half of our Army, while training the FSK in Kosovo as a ''Nato mission'' Serbia will not pull the usual threats toward preseva and north of iber...clearly Tirana is run by communist traitors and bloodsucking thieves, starting from the serb fraction (Berishic, Metovic etc....ending to the greek fraction, Paparama etc). Luckily for them , Albanians are civilised and peaceful people...yet, it is never to late, once we set the Caucescu precedent to the next level (as in rounding up the entire parliament) and freeinng our state from communist oligarky ...Albanian Nation being divided in five pseudo states will be soviet history...
(iliri, 14 June 2011 15:41) "

well, iliri, I hope you can see the true colors of those Yankees by now. They are guided by their own self-interests and never really have the welfare of their "allies" at heart. NATO members are supposed to be co-equals in this military bloc but the truth is that the Yankees and a couple of major powers like London and Berlin are the ones really calling the shots and the other members merely expected to do their bidding. Nato was supposed to look after the security of Europe but today, thanks to meddling by the Yankees and major European members, are fighting outside Europe in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. If they could, they would have ordered Nato troops into Iran, Syria and elsewhere by now. That's why I didn't think it was a good idea for Serbia (or Bosnia or Montenegro or anyone else for that matter) to enslave themselves by joining this military organization of utter unequals.

And I think you also have to realistic that Presevo valley is in Serbia and there has always been since 1999 a de facto partition at the Ibar in Kosovo. If you want Presevo, the sensible thing will be to negotiate some mutually acceptable trade by giving up North Kosovo and Strpce for example. You can do this without Nato but the question is whether your government would dare to offend Nato and especially the Yankees.

Don't loose control of yourself.You are not doing anybody any favor by behaving like a cheerleader.
The fact of the matter is that chances of Serbia staying out of NATO are slim and no matter how much the population despises the organization that bombed them a decade ago they control nothing. With Tadic in power their future is already planed for them. Russia will also have to let go as it will become impossible to keep Serbia. It all has to do with geopolitics and the location of Serbia is in her disadvantage - not in Russia backyard.
(highduke, 13 June 2011 18:32)

wow, I can't beileve my eyes what am I reading. First time you wrotte a comment that equates with reality. You got thumbs up on this one from. With love from Kosova.

It is pretty much a Warsaw pact, but more polite. The only thing i like about NATO is the purpose it was created at first place, to make a stand agianst Russia...Russia will forever be our enemy (or at least as long as Serbia is our enemy), and i hate to say it, but Russia is not a power you would want to be messing with, which leaves us with no choise but align with whatever allience which is against Russia....for god's sake, even Enver Hoxha, could not stand russian arrogance longer than 13 years...that was a record though, Hoxha had enough of jugoslavia in only 3 years...


''And I think you also have to realistic that Presevo valley is in Serbia and there has always been since 1999 a de facto partition at the Ibar in Kosovo. If you want Presevo, the sensible thing will be to negotiate some mutually acceptable trade by giving up North Kosovo and Strpce for example. You can do this without Nato but the question is whether your government would dare to offend Nato and especially the Yankees.
(lowe, 14 June 2011 17:06)''

If only it was that easy, i discussed in a post before about this, such solution could have been possible in the 90s, before the war escalated, and Serbia would have gained almost 30% of Kosovo back then judging the weak position of Albanians ...until 1999, Serbia claimed 100% of Kosovo, even though i m from Albania, i remember very well the reffugees, people suffered, thousands of Albanians were murdered in the proccess, NATO helped us , yeah, if it wasn't for US etc we would lose Kosovo etc etc, still i m not that naive to believe that NATO is our protector, probably NATO did not want an extended balkan conflict...if NATO did not intervene in 1999, Albanians would be left with no choise but fight for survival, extreme nationalism would emerge among Albanians, especially diaspora and reffugies, and Tirana would have to go to war against Serbia...that would mean another Balkan war pretty much, the other balkan countries would probably make a fortune selling guns and oil, apart from bosnia which would have probaly ended up in other war, hence, more revenues from gun and oil trade ffor the smart countries which don't go around waging wars...it was really interesting the fact that Greece, secretly supports Kosovo, or at least wikileaks stated so, in the above alternative [virtual] scenario, i m sure greece would sell guns both to Albanians and Serbs, when cats fight, mice party...if...if...if, there are no if-s in history, many geopolitic factors and global interests of greater powers has always affected the regional conflict that albanians and serbs have had during the last 150 years, the same factors which caused us to lose territories in 1878 and 1913, the same factors helped us 'liberate' kosovo in 1999, but, being a redneck, i will never understand the bigger picture, all i know is that 10 000 of my patriots died in a war waged by the same country which now asks for a trade of territories and negotiations...no sir, there will be no trade, i respect you for being sensible and rational, but, as an Albanian , i would refuse a trade of territories at this point. Probably my sane thinking is darkened by emotions, but i have no choise but follow my insticts when dealing with serbs.

Serbia has to choose whether it is with the West and Western civilization or it is with Russia and the rest of the world. If it is part of the West and wants to be fully embraced and trusted by it then it will need to join NATO and contribute to its security. Serbia's current unclear and undefined stance breeds distrust and leaves a lot of questions unanswered regarding Serbia's orientation and loyalty. The idea of neutrality for Serbia can not be taken seriously since Serbia is too small and unimportant a country to have its own independent security framework and it's simply a question of whether it wants to join the West or the rest and it's time for the Serbians to decide. Does Serbia want to be surrounded by distrustful neighbors or by friends and fellow NATO members? Serbia was bombed because of its actions and now its for Serbia to decide if it wants to move forward or be encircled by NATO and treated as a potential threat to European security.

"i respect you for being sensible and rational, but, as an Albanian , i would refuse a trade of territories at this point. Probably my sane thinking is darkened by emotions, but i have no choise but follow my insticts when dealing with serbs.
(iliri, 14 June 2011 19:22)"

well, then I would expect with regret that your feud with the Serbs will remain unresolved for generations to come. And the only ones who would truly benefit would be those very people who like to fish in troubled waters like the Yankees.

@lowe.
why would i be jelous,tirana is in the nato,prishtina olso(nato protectorate).
isn't it better that NATO come to belgrade told belgrade what it should do,and ,oh,belgrade has to pay the bill of gathering expenses.

''I've a hunch you're just plain jealous that this conference is gathering in Belgrade and not Pristina or even Tirana!
(lowe, 13 June 2011 15:19) ''

The conference gathered in Tirana two years ago. Yet i don't like NATO, we are a full rights/obligation member, but still they won't allow us to deploy troops in Kosovo.... ''under NATO command '' of course. When we became Nato member i was expecting my gov to retreat all proffessionals from Midle east, Bosnia, Afganistan and Afrika and send them to Kosovo in addition to Police Special Forces and serve the motherland properly. If we deploy half of our Army, while training the FSK in Kosovo as a ''Nato mission'' Serbia will not pull the usual threats toward preseva and north of iber...clearly Tirana is run by communist traitors and bloodsucking thieves, starting from the serb fraction (Berishic, Metovic etc....ending to the greek fraction, Paparama etc). Luckily for them , Albanians are civilised and peaceful people...yet, it is never to late, once we set the Caucescu precedent to the next level (as in rounding up the entire parliament) and freeinng our state from communist oligarky ...Albanian Nation being divided in five pseudo states will be soviet history...

"Yankees, muzhiks...they are great powers, we are a small nation, we will compromise with greater powers to make sure our survival and national prosperity, as for the serbs, who said that we want a reconconcilation with them at first place? Never, especially after what happened in 1999. One day we will fullfill the League of Prizren vision, no matter what. That is the only vision in which Albania can ever be a sustainable state. Otherwise, we will always be having problems in the elections, corrupt administration, screwed up economy, poverty in general, bloodsucking politicians...the main reason that, we albanians, could not built a prosperous state ,like the western countries have ,during the last 100 years is because of the mutilation of our national borders in 1878, and 1913...the sooner all Albanians understand this ,the better... i don't hate serbs or greeks or anyone, it is just that they are an obstacle to our progress.
(iliri, 17 June 2011 15:12) "

In that case you would do well to read the history of South Vietnam. And find out which great power ardently supported them at first .... and then finally abandoned them to their fate.

By all means don't reconcile with the Serbs. And condemn your future generations to a perpetual conflict which would only stymie Kosovo's development. Pristina wants UN membership http://b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=05&dd=15&nav_id=74352 -- how is that ever going to happen without a settlement with the Serbians? The Russians and Chinese, mindful of their own restless minorities, are not going to let you in -- which I think is why Kosovo has up to now not dared to formally apply for UN entry although your leaders have stated a wish to be in the UN.

''well, then I would expect with regret that your feud with the Serbs will remain unresolved for generations to come. And the only ones who would truly benefit would be those very people who like to fish in troubled waters like the Yankees.
(lowe, 15 June 2011 03:03) ''

Yankees, muzhiks...they are great powers, we are a small nation, we will compromise with greater powers to make sure our survival and national prosperity, as for the serbs, who said that we want a reconconcilation with them at first place? Never, especially after what happened in 1999. One day we will fullfill the League of Prizren vision, no matter what. That is the only vision in which Albania can ever be a sustainable state. Otherwise, we will always be having problems in the elections, corrupt administration, screwed up economy, poverty in general, bloodsucking politicians...the main reason that, we albanians, could not built a prosperous state ,like the western countries have ,during the last 100 years is because of the mutilation of our national borders in 1878, and 1913...the sooner all Albanians understand this ,the better... i don't hate serbs or greeks or anyone, it is just that they are an obstacle to our progress.

you serbs stop acting like sindorelas.
nato bombed you becouse you deserved and will agean if you make more truble.
biger and powerfull countries than you got bombed,germany,japan,war ger-rus,ect.
you are not the first nor the last,better find out what you did wrong and move on.

@lowe.
why would i be jelous,tirana is in the nato,prishtina olso(nato protectorate).
isn't it better that NATO come to belgrade told belgrade what it should do,and ,oh,belgrade has to pay the bill of gathering expenses.

Don't loose control of yourself.You are not doing anybody any favor by behaving like a cheerleader.
The fact of the matter is that chances of Serbia staying out of NATO are slim and no matter how much the population despises the organization that bombed them a decade ago they control nothing. With Tadic in power their future is already planed for them. Russia will also have to let go as it will become impossible to keep Serbia. It all has to do with geopolitics and the location of Serbia is in her disadvantage - not in Russia backyard.
(highduke, 13 June 2011 18:32)

wow, I can't beileve my eyes what am I reading. First time you wrotte a comment that equates with reality. You got thumbs up on this one from. With love from Kosova.

''I've a hunch you're just plain jealous that this conference is gathering in Belgrade and not Pristina or even Tirana!
(lowe, 13 June 2011 15:19) ''

The conference gathered in Tirana two years ago. Yet i don't like NATO, we are a full rights/obligation member, but still they won't allow us to deploy troops in Kosovo.... ''under NATO command '' of course. When we became Nato member i was expecting my gov to retreat all proffessionals from Midle east, Bosnia, Afganistan and Afrika and send them to Kosovo in addition to Police Special Forces and serve the motherland properly. If we deploy half of our Army, while training the FSK in Kosovo as a ''Nato mission'' Serbia will not pull the usual threats toward preseva and north of iber...clearly Tirana is run by communist traitors and bloodsucking thieves, starting from the serb fraction (Berishic, Metovic etc....ending to the greek fraction, Paparama etc). Luckily for them , Albanians are civilised and peaceful people...yet, it is never to late, once we set the Caucescu precedent to the next level (as in rounding up the entire parliament) and freeinng our state from communist oligarky ...Albanian Nation being divided in five pseudo states will be soviet history...

The NATO just being invited to sit in Belgrade, leaves a horribly bitter taste in my mouth. It is still way too early for this aggressive American military organization to be doing in business in Serbia.

Serbia has to choose whether it is with the West and Western civilization or it is with Russia and the rest of the world. If it is part of the West and wants to be fully embraced and trusted by it then it will need to join NATO and contribute to its security. Serbia's current unclear and undefined stance breeds distrust and leaves a lot of questions unanswered regarding Serbia's orientation and loyalty. The idea of neutrality for Serbia can not be taken seriously since Serbia is too small and unimportant a country to have its own independent security framework and it's simply a question of whether it wants to join the West or the rest and it's time for the Serbians to decide. Does Serbia want to be surrounded by distrustful neighbors or by friends and fellow NATO members? Serbia was bombed because of its actions and now its for Serbia to decide if it wants to move forward or be encircled by NATO and treated as a potential threat to European security.

It is pretty much a Warsaw pact, but more polite. The only thing i like about NATO is the purpose it was created at first place, to make a stand agianst Russia...Russia will forever be our enemy (or at least as long as Serbia is our enemy), and i hate to say it, but Russia is not a power you would want to be messing with, which leaves us with no choise but align with whatever allience which is against Russia....for god's sake, even Enver Hoxha, could not stand russian arrogance longer than 13 years...that was a record though, Hoxha had enough of jugoslavia in only 3 years...


''And I think you also have to realistic that Presevo valley is in Serbia and there has always been since 1999 a de facto partition at the Ibar in Kosovo. If you want Presevo, the sensible thing will be to negotiate some mutually acceptable trade by giving up North Kosovo and Strpce for example. You can do this without Nato but the question is whether your government would dare to offend Nato and especially the Yankees.
(lowe, 14 June 2011 17:06)''

If only it was that easy, i discussed in a post before about this, such solution could have been possible in the 90s, before the war escalated, and Serbia would have gained almost 30% of Kosovo back then judging the weak position of Albanians ...until 1999, Serbia claimed 100% of Kosovo, even though i m from Albania, i remember very well the reffugees, people suffered, thousands of Albanians were murdered in the proccess, NATO helped us , yeah, if it wasn't for US etc we would lose Kosovo etc etc, still i m not that naive to believe that NATO is our protector, probably NATO did not want an extended balkan conflict...if NATO did not intervene in 1999, Albanians would be left with no choise but fight for survival, extreme nationalism would emerge among Albanians, especially diaspora and reffugies, and Tirana would have to go to war against Serbia...that would mean another Balkan war pretty much, the other balkan countries would probably make a fortune selling guns and oil, apart from bosnia which would have probaly ended up in other war, hence, more revenues from gun and oil trade ffor the smart countries which don't go around waging wars...it was really interesting the fact that Greece, secretly supports Kosovo, or at least wikileaks stated so, in the above alternative [virtual] scenario, i m sure greece would sell guns both to Albanians and Serbs, when cats fight, mice party...if...if...if, there are no if-s in history, many geopolitic factors and global interests of greater powers has always affected the regional conflict that albanians and serbs have had during the last 150 years, the same factors which caused us to lose territories in 1878 and 1913, the same factors helped us 'liberate' kosovo in 1999, but, being a redneck, i will never understand the bigger picture, all i know is that 10 000 of my patriots died in a war waged by the same country which now asks for a trade of territories and negotiations...no sir, there will be no trade, i respect you for being sensible and rational, but, as an Albanian , i would refuse a trade of territories at this point. Probably my sane thinking is darkened by emotions, but i have no choise but follow my insticts when dealing with serbs.

Maybe the Nato generals don't wanna lose their watches in Tirana! As for Pristina, they could come off even worse and lsoe their body organs!!! Ha ha ha ha ha!
(lowe, 13 June 2011 17:06)
Don't loose control of yourself.You are not doing anybody any favor by behaving like a cheerleader.
The fact of the matter is that chances of Serbia staying out of NATO are slim and no matter how much the population despises the organization that bombed them a decade ago they control nothing. With Tadic in power their future is already planed for them. Russia will also have to let go as it will become impossible to keep Serbia. It all has to do with geopolitics and the location of Serbia is in her disadvantage - not in Russia backyard.

"Don't loose control of yourself.You are not doing anybody any favor by behaving like a cheerleader.
The fact of the matter is that chances of Serbia staying out of NATO are slim and no matter how much the population despises the organization that bombed them a decade ago they control nothing. With Tadic in power their future is already planed for them. Russia will also have to let go as it will become impossible to keep Serbia. It all has to do with geopolitics and the location of Serbia is in her disadvantage - not in Russia backyard.
(highduke, 13 June 2011 18:32) "

Calm down highduke, I never thought it was in Serbia's ultimate interest to join the EU and especially Nato. Need not be too pessimistic about Serbia resisting Nato's membership -- I think even Tadic wouldn't be so dense to go against the electorate's wishes on this subject unless he's planning a premature retirement. My point was to poke at the likes of delon who seemed to think that Pristina is Nato's crown jesel instead of an endless financial drain.

highduke,

in my reply to you, there's a typo in my last sentence -- should be "crown jewel" instead of "crown jesel".

"you serbs stop acting like sindorelas.
nato bombed you becouse you deserved and will agean if you make more truble.
biger and powerfull countries than you got bombed,germany,japan,war ger-rus,ect.
you are not the first nor the last,better find out what you did wrong and move on.
(delon, 13 June 2011 14:40) "

I've a hunch you're just plain jealous that this conference is gathering in Belgrade and not Pristina or even Tirana!

"The conference gathered in Tirana two years ago. Yet i don't like NATO, we are a full rights/obligation member, but still they won't allow us to deploy troops in Kosovo.... ''under NATO command '' of course. When we became Nato member i was expecting my gov to retreat all proffessionals from Midle east, Bosnia, Afganistan and Afrika and send them to Kosovo in addition to Police Special Forces and serve the motherland properly. If we deploy half of our Army, while training the FSK in Kosovo as a ''Nato mission'' Serbia will not pull the usual threats toward preseva and north of iber...clearly Tirana is run by communist traitors and bloodsucking thieves, starting from the serb fraction (Berishic, Metovic etc....ending to the greek fraction, Paparama etc). Luckily for them , Albanians are civilised and peaceful people...yet, it is never to late, once we set the Caucescu precedent to the next level (as in rounding up the entire parliament) and freeinng our state from communist oligarky ...Albanian Nation being divided in five pseudo states will be soviet history...
(iliri, 14 June 2011 15:41) "

well, iliri, I hope you can see the true colors of those Yankees by now. They are guided by their own self-interests and never really have the welfare of their "allies" at heart. NATO members are supposed to be co-equals in this military bloc but the truth is that the Yankees and a couple of major powers like London and Berlin are the ones really calling the shots and the other members merely expected to do their bidding. Nato was supposed to look after the security of Europe but today, thanks to meddling by the Yankees and major European members, are fighting outside Europe in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya. If they could, they would have ordered Nato troops into Iran, Syria and elsewhere by now. That's why I didn't think it was a good idea for Serbia (or Bosnia or Montenegro or anyone else for that matter) to enslave themselves by joining this military organization of utter unequals.

And I think you also have to realistic that Presevo valley is in Serbia and there has always been since 1999 a de facto partition at the Ibar in Kosovo. If you want Presevo, the sensible thing will be to negotiate some mutually acceptable trade by giving up North Kosovo and Strpce for example. You can do this without Nato but the question is whether your government would dare to offend Nato and especially the Yankees.

"@lowe.
why would i be jelous,tirana is in the nato,prishtina olso(nato protectorate).
isn't it better that NATO come to belgrade told belgrade what it should do,and ,oh,belgrade has to pay the bill of gathering expenses.
(delon, 13 June 2011 16:15)"

And did it ever occur to you why Nato still wanna meet in Belgrade despite Albania being a member? Maybe the Nato generals don't wanna lose their watches in Tirana! As for Pristina, they could come off even worse and lsoe their body organs!!! Ha ha ha ha ha! But seriously I think "Kosova" probably can't afford to pay for the gathering anyway. :)

Nato won't be telling Serbia anything in a hurry the way I see it. It will probably try to go on a charm offensive to try to convince the Serbians that Nato membership is good for them -- after all, I understand that unlike EU membership, a majority of Serbians are not for Nato membership -- and Serbia is the only country standing in the way of the Danube becoming a Nato river.

It's like certain countries are not allowed to be neutral or just let alone. I'm sure Serbia just wants to live in peace and not always be set up for attacks and staged wars or join NATO have to support support NATO missions all over the Middle East and now Africa.
NATO was originally said to be a defense pact against the Soviet Union but now is a way for U.S. to get a larger and larger number of countries to help support its agendas in the world - share costs, send soldiers, weaponry, staff, give consent to UN resolutions and the like.

"why would i be jelous,tirana is in the nato,prishtina olso(nato protectorate). "
(delon, 13 June 2011 16:15)

Not exactly. Prishtina (i.e. the 'independent' state of Kosovo) is not a NATO protectorate, but a UN protectorate (province under UN supervision, UN1244)

"i respect you for being sensible and rational, but, as an Albanian , i would refuse a trade of territories at this point. Probably my sane thinking is darkened by emotions, but i have no choise but follow my insticts when dealing with serbs.
(iliri, 14 June 2011 19:22)"

well, then I would expect with regret that your feud with the Serbs will remain unresolved for generations to come. And the only ones who would truly benefit would be those very people who like to fish in troubled waters like the Yankees.

''well, then I would expect with regret that your feud with the Serbs will remain unresolved for generations to come. And the only ones who would truly benefit would be those very people who like to fish in troubled waters like the Yankees.
(lowe, 15 June 2011 03:03) ''

Yankees, muzhiks...they are great powers, we are a small nation, we will compromise with greater powers to make sure our survival and national prosperity, as for the serbs, who said that we want a reconconcilation with them at first place? Never, especially after what happened in 1999. One day we will fullfill the League of Prizren vision, no matter what. That is the only vision in which Albania can ever be a sustainable state. Otherwise, we will always be having problems in the elections, corrupt administration, screwed up economy, poverty in general, bloodsucking politicians...the main reason that, we albanians, could not built a prosperous state ,like the western countries have ,during the last 100 years is because of the mutilation of our national borders in 1878, and 1913...the sooner all Albanians understand this ,the better... i don't hate serbs or greeks or anyone, it is just that they are an obstacle to our progress.

"Yankees, muzhiks...they are great powers, we are a small nation, we will compromise with greater powers to make sure our survival and national prosperity, as for the serbs, who said that we want a reconconcilation with them at first place? Never, especially after what happened in 1999. One day we will fullfill the League of Prizren vision, no matter what. That is the only vision in which Albania can ever be a sustainable state. Otherwise, we will always be having problems in the elections, corrupt administration, screwed up economy, poverty in general, bloodsucking politicians...the main reason that, we albanians, could not built a prosperous state ,like the western countries have ,during the last 100 years is because of the mutilation of our national borders in 1878, and 1913...the sooner all Albanians understand this ,the better... i don't hate serbs or greeks or anyone, it is just that they are an obstacle to our progress.
(iliri, 17 June 2011 15:12) "

In that case you would do well to read the history of South Vietnam. And find out which great power ardently supported them at first .... and then finally abandoned them to their fate.

By all means don't reconcile with the Serbs. And condemn your future generations to a perpetual conflict which would only stymie Kosovo's development. Pristina wants UN membership http://b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=05&dd=15&nav_id=74352 -- how is that ever going to happen without a settlement with the Serbians? The Russians and Chinese, mindful of their own restless minorities, are not going to let you in -- which I think is why Kosovo has up to now not dared to formally apply for UN entry although your leaders have stated a wish to be in the UN.