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Sunday, 12.06.2011.

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Croatia: Pride Parade participants attacked

Far-right extremists attacked participants of the first gay Pride Parade in the Croatian town of Split on Saturday.

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Um.....

pre 12 godina

Clone Roger7 by quoting other people still dose not make you wise go figure.
(Lenard, 13 June 2011 20:41)

So your reasoning for quoting large amounts of Biblical verses are for what reason then?

Lenard

pre 12 godina

1. Hey Lenard....
"What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself".
~Abraham Lincoln
(Roger7, 13 June 2011 18:44) Clone Roger7 by quoting other people still dose not make you wise go figure.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

In the first five seconds of that link report you posted ubij pedera (kill the gays / poofs) can be heard. bganon you were rite I saw another clip and some were shouting that. I still do not support the gay parades in public areas that degrade over time to just disgusting sexual lewd perverted exhibitionism. If it was done that way any other time they would be arrested it would happen if their were strait parades and they did that. But at their parades they are given card blank licence to break the civil and moral laws even encouraged to do so by a minority and go against citizens sensibilities in your face attitudes of theirs. I do not support people that want to murder either.

The Truth Chicago

pre 12 godina

C'mon people! Leave the gays alone. Who cares who they sleep with? I know I dont. If they prefer a cold guza over a hot p**sy let them have it. Im sure most of the protesters are unemployed or have very low IQ's. Theres no reason to fight the gays, gays are here to stay and if you're a civilized and forward thinking nation...you will be accepting gays eventually into your societies. Dont be the last country to change your attitude, be progressive and be the first.

bganon

pre 12 godina

Lenard you are talking out of your behind, in the first five seconds of that link report you posted ubij pedera (kill the gays / poofs) can be heard.

Yeah and they are the same guys who sing kill the Serbs, as you well know.

It it acts like a fascist, stinks like a fascist, then it is a fascist.

You should be ashamed of yourself Lenard for defending them.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Just a lot of biased propaganda on here that they were showing Nazi salutes and saying kill the gay and Serbs.
(Lenard, 13 June 2011 10:35)

It's just a misinterpretation! These have not been Nazi salutes, but a sign commonly by everyone used during huge concerts of a Croatian music star... what was his name? ;-)

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Lenard

Yo! Lenny! Just to go back to the topic of yesterday ,All rite MikeC you want me to explain the story of life. It started in the garden of Eden Adam and Eve Gen 2:14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. Gen 2:15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. That is today in Iraq ancient times known as Babylon so ya the Croatians ,Serbs and all the tribes of mankind had a start their Iran is rite beside then they migrated from their so it shows the Bible is true and rite. Funny thing we all spoke the same language Gen 11:1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. Gen 11:6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. What was wrong is man was advancing to fast we would of reached the now technologically period thousands of years ago in the past but morally spiritually bankrupt spoilt brats man wold of wiped him selfs out long ago. Gen 11:7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other." To delay this God made a plan to forestall mankind rush to destroy him self. Now man is on that path today of assured mutual destruction we have enough nuclear weapons to wipe out 20 planet earths never mind just this one. Mat 24:21 "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mat 24:22 "And unless those days were shortened by God himself, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiD2CGkoNts . No Im not ashamed of people per say God is saving a very diverse peoples with just one common denominator.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Lenard if Croatian opposition to the EU is based on nazi salutes like at this 'protest' then you are welcome to support the fascists...

To me fascists are scum, EU or no EU.
(bganon, 12 June 2011 19:44) Just a lot of biased propaganda on here that they were showing Nazi salutes and saying kill the gay and Serbs. Of coarse my post has been more then not watered by B92. I had a news clip link their were no Nazi salutes but it was taken off by B92 here it is again .

Milan

pre 12 godina

"This is bad. Not for what they did, but because they are behaving like Serbs.
(ivan, 12 June 2011 22:32)"

Albanian Ivan who is using a Slavic name,

How is the average opinion of Muslims and Muslim Albanians towards gay people? That is right, they should be killed and burn in hell. Gays have to fear for their lives in Muslim countries or Muslim dominated areas (like Kosovo). I would suggest you clean your own dirty laundry before you critisize the people you hate and admire.

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Just my opinion, but the Balkans are a very backward part of the world.
.
.
.
Anyway, yet another disturbing tale from a part of the world I used to enjoy visiting but probably won't again anytime soon.

Zbogom,
Nenad
(Nenad, 12 June 2011 20:14)

Cool down, Nenad. And make sure you stay away from New York, too. There are people in New York who write about "dirty Jews" every time they appear on B92. Don't believe? Ask Joe, the ex-Hungarian nazi.

He manages to sneak it into B92 and Robert Leonard Rope does not even complain. Good team that duo is, perfectly patting each other's shoulders.

No need for Roberto to sing here an aria about human rights as long as all his writings are full of hatred towards Serbs and/or Russians and who writes about "bibsi ruski" or "Dohány Street" (the street with a famous Synanogue in Budapest) receives a nod and a shoulder pat.

By the way - if anyone is interested - I really broke up with Robert after he showed absolutely no interest into rising anti-Semitism and anti-Gypsy sentiment in Hungary.

My dialogue with him was roughly something like that:

email/1:

"Roberto, here the Jews are in fear about their future. Hungary looks nasty at this moment"

answer:

"You know, I really like Sarajevo and here is me on the picture with two ladies, both nice, one is muslim"

It's like no matter, what you write things land up with Sarajevo being nice, Belgrade regime and Russian government being SOB and vivat Kosova. If I write about phases of the Moon - still down with Belgrade and Albin Kurti is nice.

Right, Roberto? Or maybe it's my phantasy?

Nenad

pre 12 godina

Just my opinion, but the Balkans are a very backward part of the world.

The many homophobes who post on this site don't see it that way, of course, and probably never will. They will disagree strongly with people like me and I know that would likely never change, unless maybe they were ever to have a gay child whom they'd love enough not to reject.

Anyway, yet another disturbing tale from a part of the world I used to enjoy visiting but probably won't again anytime soon.

Zbogom,
Nenad

bganon

pre 12 godina

Lenard if Croatian opposition to the EU is based on nazi salutes like at this 'protest' then you are welcome to support the fascists...

To me fascists are scum, EU or no EU.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Lenard

Yo! Lenny! Just to go back to the topic of yesterday (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=74842) where you made up a story....sorry....where you told a story that scandinavians are from Croatia. How come croatians speak a slavic language? How come croats are classified as a slavic people? I know you are ashamed of your roots but accept what you are and learn to live with it.

Besides you denied that croats had any relations to Iran, That too is not true. http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples


Sorry to break this news to you but the sooner you accept the truth the better for you. Now you can finally move on and stop living in denial.

roberto

pre 12 godina

--The anti-gay rioters threw firecrackers, stones, torches and tear gas at the Pride Parade participants. Dozens of young men, mostly wearing black shirts, chanted “Kill the gay” and “Kill the Serb” while doing the Nazi salute.--

we have followed these lgbt events in at least croatia (zagreb), bosnia (sarajevo), and serbia, last but not least (belgrade.) and there is ALWAYS such reaction, from the local extremists, the local hate groups, the local fundamentalists -- the local sharks. the local "hooligans." in sarajevo 2008 they were screaming God is Great (probably in arabic), pulling people out of cars, attacking men and women on the streets. the police were slow to react, to say the least. there's a great little documentary on this story, check it out online. it played at one of the many film festivals here.

one of the interesting aspects, i thought, was that the lgbt-week coincided w/ ramadan; not the best of timing. in the film they asked one of the main organizers, svetlana (i think of mixed ethnicity): why such provocative timing?! and she answered, i think quite honestly, "no one told us!" i had to laugh out loud, knowing so many bosnians, and how non-religious many of them are. anyway the whole thing was horrible, but next time, and i pray there will be a next time, there has to be better prep with the authorities (cops!!) and people in the community.

with zagreb, i think there've been several lgbt events. and yes, typically accompanied by right-wing extremists, screaming nice little ditties like: "Back to the concentration camps!" not very progressive, not very "christian," wouldn't you agree, Lenard? actually with all of the burning and bloodletting going on in yugoslavia during ww2, i'm pretty sure that no one there was going to a concentration camp because they were homosexual (per the language of the time.) but weirder things have happened.

then there's Serbia -- belgrade. the first attempt at an lgbt parade was a total and complete fiasco... but the last one was "successful." that means tadic and co. finally decided to kiss up to european values (so called) and properly protect the participants. on the other hand, we saw competing, anti-gay, "family-values" demos sponsored by the serbian church and other (probably related) far-right groups. so yes, croatia has no monopoly on far right groups, thank you very much.

in general, the "hooligans" couldn't reach the participants, so instead they attacked the police -- this time, it was an anti-police riot, and many cops ended up in the hospital. so you really have to laugh at the serb nationalist militants looking down at the croatian nationalist militants... different uniforms, same ideas.

now, no doubt, will com the usual retort: at least WE have or tolerate lgbt events; what about Pristina?! and here is my response. when lgbt persons in Kosova are ready to hold a public event, let us all know. call for international support and you will receive it. it will require a lot of appropriate organization and support, but one day it will happen. but it has to come from people living there.

BTW, Pride day is coming up here at the end of the month, 26th June i think. check it out online. very inclusive, open to all -- you don't have to be gay or whatever -- just support human rights for all. that's the whole point, radical as it sounds in this sharktank.

the best aspect, in my opinion, is the film festival: Try www.frameline.org

Ciao! tung. roberto frisco

Milan

pre 12 godina

Croatia has shown once again that it will be a valuable addition to the doomed, corrupt, and anti-democratic EU. A model country based on tollerance, respect, and a clean past is the kind of member that can join every club without a thorough examination in advance.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

O well it looks like we are out of the EU now if the citizens cant practisepet in a parade or clap for it. It was a brainwashing experiment and test by the EU we Croatians failed miserably go figure it looks like we are not brain dead yet.

Je¿ chorwatski, serbski i homoseksualny

pre 12 godina

And where is that ROBERTO from FRISCO on this one?
(lowe, 12 June 2011 14:43)

Explaining the advantages of LGBT lifestyle to Dragana but stupid Serbs do not want to know what is real fun.

Jovan

pre 12 godina

that´s the problem with history: you can try what you want to try...but you won´t be able to strip off your nazi-past. that´s something many moderate Croatians will have to swallow, ...there are still a lot of idiots proud of their fascist-past.

interesting, they are being seen as standing at the doorstep of "europe" ( EU ), but actually although being just naturally being european, they are miles away from being a "european" state in the sense, the EU expects it.

the K-albanians are facing the same problem, they can babble as much as the want, they are lightyears away of even being european in the EU-sense. they are not only proud of their nazi-past, they are even openly celebrating it, like this idiot in southern Mitrovica, who opened a Hitler-Cafe...

so, the nazi-past is haunting them too.

...and the best thing is: they can do whatever they want, they won´t wash away that stain.

it is there. forever.

lowe

pre 12 godina

"Where are the Albanians attacking this event?
(Daniel, 12 June 2011 12:25)"

And where is that ROBERTO from FRISCO on this one? The roberto who, as I see it, all but passed eternal damnation on those Serbs who dared to riot before his very nose in the Belgrade parade last October http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=70196 ..... the same roberto who is just so, so, so terribly conspicuous today by his sheer absence thus far on this thread ....... Yooooo hoooo roberto of frisco! Double standards and hiding, are we?

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Hahaha those guys wrote ''I LIKE SERB'' in the middle of catholic fascist stronghold.
(lol, 12 June 2011 11:24)

They wrote rather "I LOVE SERB" and "LOVE" does mean here sex. In other words, translating it into plain English: "Croatian gays love Serbian men"

RK

pre 12 godina

Shame Parades are a kind of Idea Fix for B92. There are days when they devote 3 articles to the gay problems. I have an idea why B92 is so worried about it. What’s wrong that in every country there are normal people who hate the extremists impose their behavior. From my private point of view the problem is when Shame Parades are not opposed and are free to advertise their sin.

Top

pre 12 godina

Dozens of young men, mostly wearing black shirts, chanted “Kill the gay” and “Kill the Serb” while doing the Nazi salute.


See, some Croatian and Serbian nationalist/fascists are brothers in mind, though the latter probably would't shout 'Kill the Serb' ;-)

lowe

pre 12 godina

"Where are the Albanians attacking this event?
(Daniel, 12 June 2011 12:25)"

And where is that ROBERTO from FRISCO on this one? The roberto who, as I see it, all but passed eternal damnation on those Serbs who dared to riot before his very nose in the Belgrade parade last October http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=70196 ..... the same roberto who is just so, so, so terribly conspicuous today by his sheer absence thus far on this thread ....... Yooooo hoooo roberto of frisco! Double standards and hiding, are we?

bganon

pre 12 godina

Lenard if Croatian opposition to the EU is based on nazi salutes like at this 'protest' then you are welcome to support the fascists...

To me fascists are scum, EU or no EU.

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Hahaha those guys wrote ''I LIKE SERB'' in the middle of catholic fascist stronghold.
(lol, 12 June 2011 11:24)

They wrote rather "I LOVE SERB" and "LOVE" does mean here sex. In other words, translating it into plain English: "Croatian gays love Serbian men"

Jovan

pre 12 godina

that´s the problem with history: you can try what you want to try...but you won´t be able to strip off your nazi-past. that´s something many moderate Croatians will have to swallow, ...there are still a lot of idiots proud of their fascist-past.

interesting, they are being seen as standing at the doorstep of "europe" ( EU ), but actually although being just naturally being european, they are miles away from being a "european" state in the sense, the EU expects it.

the K-albanians are facing the same problem, they can babble as much as the want, they are lightyears away of even being european in the EU-sense. they are not only proud of their nazi-past, they are even openly celebrating it, like this idiot in southern Mitrovica, who opened a Hitler-Cafe...

so, the nazi-past is haunting them too.

...and the best thing is: they can do whatever they want, they won´t wash away that stain.

it is there. forever.

Milan

pre 12 godina

Croatia has shown once again that it will be a valuable addition to the doomed, corrupt, and anti-democratic EU. A model country based on tollerance, respect, and a clean past is the kind of member that can join every club without a thorough examination in advance.

Top

pre 12 godina

Dozens of young men, mostly wearing black shirts, chanted “Kill the gay” and “Kill the Serb” while doing the Nazi salute.


See, some Croatian and Serbian nationalist/fascists are brothers in mind, though the latter probably would't shout 'Kill the Serb' ;-)

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Lenard

Yo! Lenny! Just to go back to the topic of yesterday (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=74842) where you made up a story....sorry....where you told a story that scandinavians are from Croatia. How come croatians speak a slavic language? How come croats are classified as a slavic people? I know you are ashamed of your roots but accept what you are and learn to live with it.

Besides you denied that croats had any relations to Iran, That too is not true. http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples


Sorry to break this news to you but the sooner you accept the truth the better for you. Now you can finally move on and stop living in denial.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Just a lot of biased propaganda on here that they were showing Nazi salutes and saying kill the gay and Serbs.
(Lenard, 13 June 2011 10:35)

It's just a misinterpretation! These have not been Nazi salutes, but a sign commonly by everyone used during huge concerts of a Croatian music star... what was his name? ;-)

bganon

pre 12 godina

Lenard you are talking out of your behind, in the first five seconds of that link report you posted ubij pedera (kill the gays / poofs) can be heard.

Yeah and they are the same guys who sing kill the Serbs, as you well know.

It it acts like a fascist, stinks like a fascist, then it is a fascist.

You should be ashamed of yourself Lenard for defending them.

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Just my opinion, but the Balkans are a very backward part of the world.
.
.
.
Anyway, yet another disturbing tale from a part of the world I used to enjoy visiting but probably won't again anytime soon.

Zbogom,
Nenad
(Nenad, 12 June 2011 20:14)

Cool down, Nenad. And make sure you stay away from New York, too. There are people in New York who write about "dirty Jews" every time they appear on B92. Don't believe? Ask Joe, the ex-Hungarian nazi.

He manages to sneak it into B92 and Robert Leonard Rope does not even complain. Good team that duo is, perfectly patting each other's shoulders.

No need for Roberto to sing here an aria about human rights as long as all his writings are full of hatred towards Serbs and/or Russians and who writes about "bibsi ruski" or "Dohány Street" (the street with a famous Synanogue in Budapest) receives a nod and a shoulder pat.

By the way - if anyone is interested - I really broke up with Robert after he showed absolutely no interest into rising anti-Semitism and anti-Gypsy sentiment in Hungary.

My dialogue with him was roughly something like that:

email/1:

"Roberto, here the Jews are in fear about their future. Hungary looks nasty at this moment"

answer:

"You know, I really like Sarajevo and here is me on the picture with two ladies, both nice, one is muslim"

It's like no matter, what you write things land up with Sarajevo being nice, Belgrade regime and Russian government being SOB and vivat Kosova. If I write about phases of the Moon - still down with Belgrade and Albin Kurti is nice.

Right, Roberto? Or maybe it's my phantasy?

RK

pre 12 godina

Shame Parades are a kind of Idea Fix for B92. There are days when they devote 3 articles to the gay problems. I have an idea why B92 is so worried about it. What’s wrong that in every country there are normal people who hate the extremists impose their behavior. From my private point of view the problem is when Shame Parades are not opposed and are free to advertise their sin.

Milan

pre 12 godina

"This is bad. Not for what they did, but because they are behaving like Serbs.
(ivan, 12 June 2011 22:32)"

Albanian Ivan who is using a Slavic name,

How is the average opinion of Muslims and Muslim Albanians towards gay people? That is right, they should be killed and burn in hell. Gays have to fear for their lives in Muslim countries or Muslim dominated areas (like Kosovo). I would suggest you clean your own dirty laundry before you critisize the people you hate and admire.

Je¿ chorwatski, serbski i homoseksualny

pre 12 godina

And where is that ROBERTO from FRISCO on this one?
(lowe, 12 June 2011 14:43)

Explaining the advantages of LGBT lifestyle to Dragana but stupid Serbs do not want to know what is real fun.

Nenad

pre 12 godina

Just my opinion, but the Balkans are a very backward part of the world.

The many homophobes who post on this site don't see it that way, of course, and probably never will. They will disagree strongly with people like me and I know that would likely never change, unless maybe they were ever to have a gay child whom they'd love enough not to reject.

Anyway, yet another disturbing tale from a part of the world I used to enjoy visiting but probably won't again anytime soon.

Zbogom,
Nenad

Lenard

pre 12 godina

O well it looks like we are out of the EU now if the citizens cant practisepet in a parade or clap for it. It was a brainwashing experiment and test by the EU we Croatians failed miserably go figure it looks like we are not brain dead yet.

The Truth Chicago

pre 12 godina

C'mon people! Leave the gays alone. Who cares who they sleep with? I know I dont. If they prefer a cold guza over a hot p**sy let them have it. Im sure most of the protesters are unemployed or have very low IQ's. Theres no reason to fight the gays, gays are here to stay and if you're a civilized and forward thinking nation...you will be accepting gays eventually into your societies. Dont be the last country to change your attitude, be progressive and be the first.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

In the first five seconds of that link report you posted ubij pedera (kill the gays / poofs) can be heard. bganon you were rite I saw another clip and some were shouting that. I still do not support the gay parades in public areas that degrade over time to just disgusting sexual lewd perverted exhibitionism. If it was done that way any other time they would be arrested it would happen if their were strait parades and they did that. But at their parades they are given card blank licence to break the civil and moral laws even encouraged to do so by a minority and go against citizens sensibilities in your face attitudes of theirs. I do not support people that want to murder either.

roberto

pre 12 godina

--The anti-gay rioters threw firecrackers, stones, torches and tear gas at the Pride Parade participants. Dozens of young men, mostly wearing black shirts, chanted “Kill the gay” and “Kill the Serb” while doing the Nazi salute.--

we have followed these lgbt events in at least croatia (zagreb), bosnia (sarajevo), and serbia, last but not least (belgrade.) and there is ALWAYS such reaction, from the local extremists, the local hate groups, the local fundamentalists -- the local sharks. the local "hooligans." in sarajevo 2008 they were screaming God is Great (probably in arabic), pulling people out of cars, attacking men and women on the streets. the police were slow to react, to say the least. there's a great little documentary on this story, check it out online. it played at one of the many film festivals here.

one of the interesting aspects, i thought, was that the lgbt-week coincided w/ ramadan; not the best of timing. in the film they asked one of the main organizers, svetlana (i think of mixed ethnicity): why such provocative timing?! and she answered, i think quite honestly, "no one told us!" i had to laugh out loud, knowing so many bosnians, and how non-religious many of them are. anyway the whole thing was horrible, but next time, and i pray there will be a next time, there has to be better prep with the authorities (cops!!) and people in the community.

with zagreb, i think there've been several lgbt events. and yes, typically accompanied by right-wing extremists, screaming nice little ditties like: "Back to the concentration camps!" not very progressive, not very "christian," wouldn't you agree, Lenard? actually with all of the burning and bloodletting going on in yugoslavia during ww2, i'm pretty sure that no one there was going to a concentration camp because they were homosexual (per the language of the time.) but weirder things have happened.

then there's Serbia -- belgrade. the first attempt at an lgbt parade was a total and complete fiasco... but the last one was "successful." that means tadic and co. finally decided to kiss up to european values (so called) and properly protect the participants. on the other hand, we saw competing, anti-gay, "family-values" demos sponsored by the serbian church and other (probably related) far-right groups. so yes, croatia has no monopoly on far right groups, thank you very much.

in general, the "hooligans" couldn't reach the participants, so instead they attacked the police -- this time, it was an anti-police riot, and many cops ended up in the hospital. so you really have to laugh at the serb nationalist militants looking down at the croatian nationalist militants... different uniforms, same ideas.

now, no doubt, will com the usual retort: at least WE have or tolerate lgbt events; what about Pristina?! and here is my response. when lgbt persons in Kosova are ready to hold a public event, let us all know. call for international support and you will receive it. it will require a lot of appropriate organization and support, but one day it will happen. but it has to come from people living there.

BTW, Pride day is coming up here at the end of the month, 26th June i think. check it out online. very inclusive, open to all -- you don't have to be gay or whatever -- just support human rights for all. that's the whole point, radical as it sounds in this sharktank.

the best aspect, in my opinion, is the film festival: Try www.frameline.org

Ciao! tung. roberto frisco

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Lenard

Yo! Lenny! Just to go back to the topic of yesterday ,All rite MikeC you want me to explain the story of life. It started in the garden of Eden Adam and Eve Gen 2:14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. Gen 2:15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. That is today in Iraq ancient times known as Babylon so ya the Croatians ,Serbs and all the tribes of mankind had a start their Iran is rite beside then they migrated from their so it shows the Bible is true and rite. Funny thing we all spoke the same language Gen 11:1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. Gen 11:6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. What was wrong is man was advancing to fast we would of reached the now technologically period thousands of years ago in the past but morally spiritually bankrupt spoilt brats man wold of wiped him selfs out long ago. Gen 11:7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other." To delay this God made a plan to forestall mankind rush to destroy him self. Now man is on that path today of assured mutual destruction we have enough nuclear weapons to wipe out 20 planet earths never mind just this one. Mat 24:21 "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mat 24:22 "And unless those days were shortened by God himself, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiD2CGkoNts . No Im not ashamed of people per say God is saving a very diverse peoples with just one common denominator.

Um.....

pre 12 godina

Clone Roger7 by quoting other people still dose not make you wise go figure.
(Lenard, 13 June 2011 20:41)

So your reasoning for quoting large amounts of Biblical verses are for what reason then?

Lenard

pre 12 godina

1. Hey Lenard....
"What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself".
~Abraham Lincoln
(Roger7, 13 June 2011 18:44) Clone Roger7 by quoting other people still dose not make you wise go figure.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Lenard if Croatian opposition to the EU is based on nazi salutes like at this 'protest' then you are welcome to support the fascists...

To me fascists are scum, EU or no EU.
(bganon, 12 June 2011 19:44) Just a lot of biased propaganda on here that they were showing Nazi salutes and saying kill the gay and Serbs. Of coarse my post has been more then not watered by B92. I had a news clip link their were no Nazi salutes but it was taken off by B92 here it is again .

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Lenard if Croatian opposition to the EU is based on nazi salutes like at this 'protest' then you are welcome to support the fascists...

To me fascists are scum, EU or no EU.
(bganon, 12 June 2011 19:44) Just a lot of biased propaganda on here that they were showing Nazi salutes and saying kill the gay and Serbs. Of coarse my post has been more then not watered by B92. I had a news clip link their were no Nazi salutes but it was taken off by B92 here it is again .

Lenard

pre 12 godina

O well it looks like we are out of the EU now if the citizens cant practisepet in a parade or clap for it. It was a brainwashing experiment and test by the EU we Croatians failed miserably go figure it looks like we are not brain dead yet.

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Hahaha those guys wrote ''I LIKE SERB'' in the middle of catholic fascist stronghold.
(lol, 12 June 2011 11:24)

They wrote rather "I LOVE SERB" and "LOVE" does mean here sex. In other words, translating it into plain English: "Croatian gays love Serbian men"

roberto

pre 12 godina

--The anti-gay rioters threw firecrackers, stones, torches and tear gas at the Pride Parade participants. Dozens of young men, mostly wearing black shirts, chanted “Kill the gay” and “Kill the Serb” while doing the Nazi salute.--

we have followed these lgbt events in at least croatia (zagreb), bosnia (sarajevo), and serbia, last but not least (belgrade.) and there is ALWAYS such reaction, from the local extremists, the local hate groups, the local fundamentalists -- the local sharks. the local "hooligans." in sarajevo 2008 they were screaming God is Great (probably in arabic), pulling people out of cars, attacking men and women on the streets. the police were slow to react, to say the least. there's a great little documentary on this story, check it out online. it played at one of the many film festivals here.

one of the interesting aspects, i thought, was that the lgbt-week coincided w/ ramadan; not the best of timing. in the film they asked one of the main organizers, svetlana (i think of mixed ethnicity): why such provocative timing?! and she answered, i think quite honestly, "no one told us!" i had to laugh out loud, knowing so many bosnians, and how non-religious many of them are. anyway the whole thing was horrible, but next time, and i pray there will be a next time, there has to be better prep with the authorities (cops!!) and people in the community.

with zagreb, i think there've been several lgbt events. and yes, typically accompanied by right-wing extremists, screaming nice little ditties like: "Back to the concentration camps!" not very progressive, not very "christian," wouldn't you agree, Lenard? actually with all of the burning and bloodletting going on in yugoslavia during ww2, i'm pretty sure that no one there was going to a concentration camp because they were homosexual (per the language of the time.) but weirder things have happened.

then there's Serbia -- belgrade. the first attempt at an lgbt parade was a total and complete fiasco... but the last one was "successful." that means tadic and co. finally decided to kiss up to european values (so called) and properly protect the participants. on the other hand, we saw competing, anti-gay, "family-values" demos sponsored by the serbian church and other (probably related) far-right groups. so yes, croatia has no monopoly on far right groups, thank you very much.

in general, the "hooligans" couldn't reach the participants, so instead they attacked the police -- this time, it was an anti-police riot, and many cops ended up in the hospital. so you really have to laugh at the serb nationalist militants looking down at the croatian nationalist militants... different uniforms, same ideas.

now, no doubt, will com the usual retort: at least WE have or tolerate lgbt events; what about Pristina?! and here is my response. when lgbt persons in Kosova are ready to hold a public event, let us all know. call for international support and you will receive it. it will require a lot of appropriate organization and support, but one day it will happen. but it has to come from people living there.

BTW, Pride day is coming up here at the end of the month, 26th June i think. check it out online. very inclusive, open to all -- you don't have to be gay or whatever -- just support human rights for all. that's the whole point, radical as it sounds in this sharktank.

the best aspect, in my opinion, is the film festival: Try www.frameline.org

Ciao! tung. roberto frisco

RK

pre 12 godina

Shame Parades are a kind of Idea Fix for B92. There are days when they devote 3 articles to the gay problems. I have an idea why B92 is so worried about it. What’s wrong that in every country there are normal people who hate the extremists impose their behavior. From my private point of view the problem is when Shame Parades are not opposed and are free to advertise their sin.

Je¿ chorwatski, serbski i homoseksualny

pre 12 godina

And where is that ROBERTO from FRISCO on this one?
(lowe, 12 June 2011 14:43)

Explaining the advantages of LGBT lifestyle to Dragana but stupid Serbs do not want to know what is real fun.

Top

pre 12 godina

Dozens of young men, mostly wearing black shirts, chanted “Kill the gay” and “Kill the Serb” while doing the Nazi salute.


See, some Croatian and Serbian nationalist/fascists are brothers in mind, though the latter probably would't shout 'Kill the Serb' ;-)

lowe

pre 12 godina

"Where are the Albanians attacking this event?
(Daniel, 12 June 2011 12:25)"

And where is that ROBERTO from FRISCO on this one? The roberto who, as I see it, all but passed eternal damnation on those Serbs who dared to riot before his very nose in the Belgrade parade last October http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=70196 ..... the same roberto who is just so, so, so terribly conspicuous today by his sheer absence thus far on this thread ....... Yooooo hoooo roberto of frisco! Double standards and hiding, are we?

Nenad

pre 12 godina

Just my opinion, but the Balkans are a very backward part of the world.

The many homophobes who post on this site don't see it that way, of course, and probably never will. They will disagree strongly with people like me and I know that would likely never change, unless maybe they were ever to have a gay child whom they'd love enough not to reject.

Anyway, yet another disturbing tale from a part of the world I used to enjoy visiting but probably won't again anytime soon.

Zbogom,
Nenad

Lenard

pre 12 godina

Lenard

Yo! Lenny! Just to go back to the topic of yesterday ,All rite MikeC you want me to explain the story of life. It started in the garden of Eden Adam and Eve Gen 2:14 The name of the third river is the Tigris; it runs along the east side of Asshur. And the fourth river is the Euphrates. Gen 2:15 The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. That is today in Iraq ancient times known as Babylon so ya the Croatians ,Serbs and all the tribes of mankind had a start their Iran is rite beside then they migrated from their so it shows the Bible is true and rite. Funny thing we all spoke the same language Gen 11:1 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. Gen 11:6 The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. What was wrong is man was advancing to fast we would of reached the now technologically period thousands of years ago in the past but morally spiritually bankrupt spoilt brats man wold of wiped him selfs out long ago. Gen 11:7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other." To delay this God made a plan to forestall mankind rush to destroy him self. Now man is on that path today of assured mutual destruction we have enough nuclear weapons to wipe out 20 planet earths never mind just this one. Mat 24:21 "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mat 24:22 "And unless those days were shortened by God himself, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect's sake those days will be shortened http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiD2CGkoNts . No Im not ashamed of people per say God is saving a very diverse peoples with just one common denominator.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

1. Hey Lenard....
"What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself".
~Abraham Lincoln
(Roger7, 13 June 2011 18:44) Clone Roger7 by quoting other people still dose not make you wise go figure.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Lenard

Yo! Lenny! Just to go back to the topic of yesterday (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=74842) where you made up a story....sorry....where you told a story that scandinavians are from Croatia. How come croatians speak a slavic language? How come croats are classified as a slavic people? I know you are ashamed of your roots but accept what you are and learn to live with it.

Besides you denied that croats had any relations to Iran, That too is not true. http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/common_origin_croats_serbs_jats.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples


Sorry to break this news to you but the sooner you accept the truth the better for you. Now you can finally move on and stop living in denial.

Jovan

pre 12 godina

that´s the problem with history: you can try what you want to try...but you won´t be able to strip off your nazi-past. that´s something many moderate Croatians will have to swallow, ...there are still a lot of idiots proud of their fascist-past.

interesting, they are being seen as standing at the doorstep of "europe" ( EU ), but actually although being just naturally being european, they are miles away from being a "european" state in the sense, the EU expects it.

the K-albanians are facing the same problem, they can babble as much as the want, they are lightyears away of even being european in the EU-sense. they are not only proud of their nazi-past, they are even openly celebrating it, like this idiot in southern Mitrovica, who opened a Hitler-Cafe...

so, the nazi-past is haunting them too.

...and the best thing is: they can do whatever they want, they won´t wash away that stain.

it is there. forever.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

In the first five seconds of that link report you posted ubij pedera (kill the gays / poofs) can be heard. bganon you were rite I saw another clip and some were shouting that. I still do not support the gay parades in public areas that degrade over time to just disgusting sexual lewd perverted exhibitionism. If it was done that way any other time they would be arrested it would happen if their were strait parades and they did that. But at their parades they are given card blank licence to break the civil and moral laws even encouraged to do so by a minority and go against citizens sensibilities in your face attitudes of theirs. I do not support people that want to murder either.

Ataman

pre 12 godina

Just my opinion, but the Balkans are a very backward part of the world.
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Anyway, yet another disturbing tale from a part of the world I used to enjoy visiting but probably won't again anytime soon.

Zbogom,
Nenad
(Nenad, 12 June 2011 20:14)

Cool down, Nenad. And make sure you stay away from New York, too. There are people in New York who write about "dirty Jews" every time they appear on B92. Don't believe? Ask Joe, the ex-Hungarian nazi.

He manages to sneak it into B92 and Robert Leonard Rope does not even complain. Good team that duo is, perfectly patting each other's shoulders.

No need for Roberto to sing here an aria about human rights as long as all his writings are full of hatred towards Serbs and/or Russians and who writes about "bibsi ruski" or "Dohány Street" (the street with a famous Synanogue in Budapest) receives a nod and a shoulder pat.

By the way - if anyone is interested - I really broke up with Robert after he showed absolutely no interest into rising anti-Semitism and anti-Gypsy sentiment in Hungary.

My dialogue with him was roughly something like that:

email/1:

"Roberto, here the Jews are in fear about their future. Hungary looks nasty at this moment"

answer:

"You know, I really like Sarajevo and here is me on the picture with two ladies, both nice, one is muslim"

It's like no matter, what you write things land up with Sarajevo being nice, Belgrade regime and Russian government being SOB and vivat Kosova. If I write about phases of the Moon - still down with Belgrade and Albin Kurti is nice.

Right, Roberto? Or maybe it's my phantasy?

Milan

pre 12 godina

Croatia has shown once again that it will be a valuable addition to the doomed, corrupt, and anti-democratic EU. A model country based on tollerance, respect, and a clean past is the kind of member that can join every club without a thorough examination in advance.

bganon

pre 12 godina

Lenard if Croatian opposition to the EU is based on nazi salutes like at this 'protest' then you are welcome to support the fascists...

To me fascists are scum, EU or no EU.

Milan

pre 12 godina

"This is bad. Not for what they did, but because they are behaving like Serbs.
(ivan, 12 June 2011 22:32)"

Albanian Ivan who is using a Slavic name,

How is the average opinion of Muslims and Muslim Albanians towards gay people? That is right, they should be killed and burn in hell. Gays have to fear for their lives in Muslim countries or Muslim dominated areas (like Kosovo). I would suggest you clean your own dirty laundry before you critisize the people you hate and admire.

Analyst

pre 12 godina

"Just a lot of biased propaganda on here that they were showing Nazi salutes and saying kill the gay and Serbs.
(Lenard, 13 June 2011 10:35)

It's just a misinterpretation! These have not been Nazi salutes, but a sign commonly by everyone used during huge concerts of a Croatian music star... what was his name? ;-)

The Truth Chicago

pre 12 godina

C'mon people! Leave the gays alone. Who cares who they sleep with? I know I dont. If they prefer a cold guza over a hot p**sy let them have it. Im sure most of the protesters are unemployed or have very low IQ's. Theres no reason to fight the gays, gays are here to stay and if you're a civilized and forward thinking nation...you will be accepting gays eventually into your societies. Dont be the last country to change your attitude, be progressive and be the first.

bganon

pre 12 godina

Lenard you are talking out of your behind, in the first five seconds of that link report you posted ubij pedera (kill the gays / poofs) can be heard.

Yeah and they are the same guys who sing kill the Serbs, as you well know.

It it acts like a fascist, stinks like a fascist, then it is a fascist.

You should be ashamed of yourself Lenard for defending them.

Um.....

pre 12 godina

Clone Roger7 by quoting other people still dose not make you wise go figure.
(Lenard, 13 June 2011 20:41)

So your reasoning for quoting large amounts of Biblical verses are for what reason then?