Protection of Serbs in Kosovo is just talk, minister says
The desecration of the church is a message to Serbs about ethnic Albanian community and Kosovo government's attitude, Minister for Kosovo Goran Bogdanović says.
Wow! Bibsi ruski, who never ever showed the slightest pro-Hungarian sentiment on this site for the last 3 years but just the opposite (wanted to see Serbia start at "0" km stone in Budapest) suddenly tries to show some fake patriotic feeling. What shameless hypocracy!
(Joe, 12 June 2011 22:32)
Wow! Bibsi ruski, who never ever showed the slightest pro-Hungarian sentiment on this site for the last 3 years but just the opposite (wanted to see Serbia start at "0" km stone in Budapest) suddenly tries to show some fake patriotic feeling. What shameless hypocracy!
Nobody in the hypocrite West said a word and thus we’ve got the war 08.08.08.
(rote, 12 June 2011 16:38)
The democracy is "selective". For instance the people of Caucasus voted by overwhelming majority to stay in the union with Russia. That was of course less democratic than dividing the union into statelets with thieves at the head of each. Same was with Turkmenistan - and it produced the most bizarre regime of recent times, making Mao Zedong, Enver Hoxha and Kim Jong Il look as decadent pro-Western democrats. Barely a single critical word was heard from West about the suffering of Turkmen people and the Russian minority there. Because Turkmenbashi had special connections to Big Oil.
Now if ex-Hungarian almost-American Joe complains about the fate of Hungarians after Trianon - that was too, due some "democratic" thinking supported by the very same sort of hypocrisy and selective justice of French, GB, American governments.
“ Just a small correction that the Albanians in Kosovo declared independence because (as ICJ said) it did not violate international law or Resolution 1244… “
You have no idea of what you are talking about ! Best if you have at least one glance at the document you are leaning on. [link] But if you feel lazy here are some citrates to help you :
“ Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,
3. Demands in particular that the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia put an
immediate and verifiable end to violence and repression in Kosovo, and begin and complete verifiable phased withdrawal from Kosovo of all military, police and paramilitary forces according to a rapid timetable, with which the deployment of the international security presence in Kosovo will be synchronized;
4. Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and
Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;
10. Authorizes the Secretary-General, with the assistance of relevant
international organizations, to establish an international civil presence in Kosovo in order to provide an interim administration for Kosovo under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and which will provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic selfgoverning institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants of Kosovo;
5. Establishment of an interim administration for Kosovo as a part of the
international civil presence under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy
substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, to be decided by the Security Council of the United Nations. The interim administration to provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic self-governing institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants in Kosovo “
(rote, 12 June 2011 07:48)
Exactly that's what I was referring to and thanks for providing the proof that, as ICJ said, "the declaration of independence did not violate Security Council resolution 1244 (1999)"
Joe
I am a Russian and I know nothing that the Saint Serbian Church is “blessing arms and ultra-nationalists going to commit crimes against non-Serbs”. Neither can I even imagine this. So if you have any facts we can discuss it. Besides they found themselves in a very difficult situation when great part of the Orthodox became refugees and many of the churches and monasteries were destroyed or cut off the mainland Serbia. One thing you are right – the Orthodox Church is a plot of the confidence of the people here. So if you hate Serbs you have reasons to hate their Church as well.
P.S. When in 2007 the head of the Georgian Church Illya-II claimed that he will damn everyone who will kill a Georgian. In the context it meant that you can kill Ossetians and Abkhasians. Nobody in the hypocrite West said a word and thus we’ve got the war 08.08.08.
If you desire to go the primitive caveman's way - just tell it straight. There are way to deal with cavemen, one way or an other... even with cavemen who phantasize about Lekë Dukagjini.
At worst, there is always a rusty old spoon in Dagestan, too... just for you. ;-)
(Je¿ szeszeljski, dagestañski i czeczeñski, 12 June 2011 13:18)
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At least you now have finally disqualified yourself. The rusty spoon remark (although I have no idea about Dagestan unless it's the place you are deriving from) is more than tasteless. But nice that the ICTY has granted you internet access in Den Haag, Mr. Šešelj...
Based on that audience I have my conclusion - this is a parody place, people go here to barf. I think a more heavy-handed moderation and strictly sticking to the forum guidelines would improve a lot.
***
But we would "miss" all your rants if there was stricter moderation in place, what a "loss" that would be...
no offence, but serbs are acting like wimps right now... How much more abuse are you going to take? The albos are practically shitting on your ancestors graves, and youre trying to negotiate with them? Good luck
(croat, 11 June 2011 22:49)
Good point, but the ones who are shitting on graves are not the ones who are in the negotiations. In the fact, the cavemen are de-facto working for Serbs. So are the roughly 10 permanent albotrolls who infest this web site. It ceased to be a "forum" long ago, the last few Albanians worth to talk with disappeared about a year or so ago.
Now this is more like a youtube channel - except that the people are probably much older. I think it's just frustration relief for the few (3 at maximum) who are in Kosovo. There are probably 2 from Albania, the rest is diaspora. The "honorary non-Albanians" are the Amer who is always worth to talk with... and two nut cases, one is the not-yet-American Joe (most likely - we have many proofs - a fictive character created by Joe Henel) who supposed to be the biggest Hungarian but is unable to fill out a passport application in his ex-native tongue. The other is "Roberto" Roberto Leonard Rope, a wanna-be journalist from San Francisco, filled with hate against Serbs after a suspicious-looking divorce (he is active LGBT member) from Dragana Dimitrov in 2006. Roberto boosts to have the greatest and best contacts to most of Serbian intelligentsia, Bosnians and Albanians and being close to the fire in Belgrade. In the reality he one day confessed to be unable to distinguish between written Albanian and written Serbian.
Based on that audience I have my conclusion - this is a parody place, people go here to barf. I think a more heavy-handed moderation and strictly sticking to the forum guidelines would improve a lot.
True, most Albanian posters and the two idiots above will disappear. Don't think it will be a loss.
Also to note: every time someone from Kosovo or Albania with genuine questions/concerns/normal mentality does appear, he is chased away and hunted down by the albotroll gang.
JOE : “And the mentality of their "church" didn't change at all.”
"This is the main advantage of the Saint Orthodox Church ! We do not try to follow the fashion and stick to the original texts written in old Makedonian."
rote
Sticking to the original text is fine. Everybody approves it.
When I raised the unchanged mentality issue I referred to your clergy blessing arms and ultra-nationalists going to commit crimes against non-Serbs. This ultra-nationalist mentality of your top bishops didn't change in the last 12 years. By far I am not an atheist but considering the hypocracy of your top clergy atheists with moral codes are much more respactable than your "holy" men.
As much as you could be man enough to ask this question to me face to face.
(Simpatiku, 11 June 2011 20:58)
Unsimpatiku,
I have some feeling, the "face-to-face" request has some other agenda than a friendly conversation about your besa's worth. If that's the case - you just answered any question regarding the value of your besa. If you desire to go the primitive caveman's way - just tell it straight. There are way to deal with cavemen, one way or an other... even with cavemen who phantasize about Lekë Dukagjini.
At worst, there is always a rusty old spoon in Dagestan, too... just for you. ;-)
So next time before opening your Deep Throat please think twice.
(rote, 11 June 2011 22:03)
Deep throat,little brain pseudochristian heritage.All summerized.
“ Just a small correction that the Albanians in Kosovo declared independence because (as ICJ said) it did not violate international law or Resolution 1244… “
You have no idea of what you are talking about ! Best if you have at least one glance at the document you are leaning on. http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement But if you feel lazy here are some citrates to help you :
“ Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,
3. Demands in particular that the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia put an
immediate and verifiable end to violence and repression in Kosovo, and begin and complete verifiable phased withdrawal from Kosovo of all military, police and paramilitary forces according to a rapid timetable, with which the deployment of the international security presence in Kosovo will be synchronized;
4. Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and
Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;
10. Authorizes the Secretary-General, with the assistance of relevant
international organizations, to establish an international civil presence in Kosovo in order to provide an interim administration for Kosovo under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and which will provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic selfgoverning institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants of Kosovo;
5. Establishment of an interim administration for Kosovo as a part of the
international civil presence under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy
substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, to be decided by the Security Council of the United Nations. The interim administration to provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic self-governing institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants in Kosovo “
"Come on people some kids peed in an abandoned building wich accidentally was an serbian ortdhodox chuch and you people scream that albanians are much worse people than serbs"
----------------------------
Here we go again with the kids excuse. When are you people going to raise your kids better? Do you entertain the idea that perhaps you kids should be respectful of other people's places of worship and not treat it this way?
This is a reflection on you, no matter how you look at it. Don't you see that?
1. no offence, but serbs are acting like wimps right now... How much more abuse are you going to take? The albos are practically shitting on your ancestors graves, and youre trying to negotiate with them? Good luck
(croat, 11 June 2011 22:49)
================================
The problem is that when we are not acting like wimps we are called genocidal maniacs, butchers of Balkans etc. and the west bombs us.
Why should they be deprived of the independence right the Albanians are making their stake on ?
(rote, 11 June 2011 18:28
Just a small correction that the Albanians in Kosovo declared independence because (as ICJ said) it did not violate international law or Resolution 1244, and not because they had a right to declare independence.
Unfortunately for the Serbs in North Kosovo, if they declare independence from Kosovo, that is against Resolution 1244 and international law.
no offence, but serbs are acting like wimps right now... How much more abuse are you going to take? The albos are practically shitting on your ancestors graves, and youre trying to negotiate with them? Good luck
JOE : “And the mentality of their "church" didn't change at all.”
This is the main advantage of the Saint Orthodox Church ! We do not try to follow the fashion and stick to the original texts written in old Makedonian. This is why we are called the Orthodox i.e. original Christians. And this is why we accept only one church outside our world – the Catholic. All the rest for us are just heretic sects very or transnational business companies. So we are proud that our Church does not change mentally. Promise – we won’t ! We also avoid anti-Semite things here. So next time before opening your Deep Throat please think twice.
Well said PEN, but I'm afraid your reasoning, as well as the reasoning of others that question why certain people spend time on this site attempting to find an excuse for this inexcusable act rather than condemning it as an embarrasment for their group and their so-called multiethnic "country" is invariably lost on them. That they either pass this off as propaganda or some cheap justification for stuff that took place 15 - 20 years ago shows the limits of their maturity.
Some of you must be aware that I am not a member of the Albanian Club. So there’s no need to talk of what I think of stealing the Kososvo Region of Serbia. But I there are things I can accept :
1/ Serbs and Albanians cannot live together any longer.
2/ Something must be done with the Orthodox churches and monasteries on the occupied territories.
3/ The sooner the two sides come to peace the better for both of them the better for Eurohe.
4/ The only side interested in the conflict to be lasted is the US meaning to stay in the region. Et cetera …
But please someone tell just one damned reason why on Earth those poor Serbians captured on North of K&M should live in this totally hostile reservation ? What is their sin that they have to suffer it all ? Why should they be deprived of the independence right the Albanians are making their stake on ? Under what legislation one nation leaving a state may kidnap other citizens which hate leaving the lands of their ancestors ? What legislation is such a discrimination based on ? Who gave Thaci the right to arrest thousands of free people ? What’s going on ? How can it be that a nation with not a single friend behind has managed to arrange such a deal ? Can anybody from the other side tell me just one damned reason why ?
If you think that raging war against your neighbors, killing, burning and raping like serbs did (with blessing of churches) has something to do with european values, you're wrong. Why you don't look at your values before looking at other's values.
(Simpatiku, 11 June 2011 14:24)
(with blessing of churches)
Please tell me what you believe these priests said to the Serbian soldiers before going into battle.
Come on people some kids peed in an abandoned building wich accidentally was an serbian ortdhodox chuch and you people scream that albanians are much worse people than serbs.
Let's not compare things wich happend in the war then but why did you burn down foreign embassies with human beings in them in the middle of Belgrade 3 years ago? Or the mosque and Mcdonald's ?
You serbs of all people should know that you started three wars against neighbouring countrys and killed hundreds of thousands of human lives in the region with the blessing of chucrhes like this one. And you people have the guts to call albanian people primitive people with no moral ??
This church in question is an abandoned building wich junkies use to do drugs and sleep in. Bogdanovic and serb leaders is using this opportunety to use this abandoned building as propaganda to scare serbs to move back to Kosovo.
The international community and western countrys knowes that albanians are not bad as serbs describes us. It is only on albanian soil that an chuch and mosque can live peacefully in the same street with people walking in both of the buildings to pray.
If you dont want the church to be an public toilet then go back and take care of it with the help of the republic of Kosovo wich will be more than happy to help you clean it. The goverment of Kosovo have build many serbian churches burned down during the war and post war era.
If you think that raging war against your neighbors, killing, burning and raping like serbs did (with blessing of churches) has something to do with european values, you're wrong. Why you don't look at your values before looking at other's values.
Simpatiku
Yes, and they did it with the blessing of their church. And the mentality of their "church" didn't change at all.
"The Kosovo Strategic Action Network (KSAM) announced Friday the church had told all the world Serbs are the smartest best looking and civilized people on earth "
Than the politician complained about others.
Ksam is just another retarded rhetoric like the racist "constitution" that only ultra nationalist vote for.
If you got evidence, show it. I will not buy fiction book for Serbs like Carla for you to make sense.
It's very difficult to explain the cultural value of an ancient monument to people who condone the vandalism we have seen being reported here. I don't ever recall reading that Serbian forces, either regular or irregular, or Serb civilians for that matter, used islamic religious places as toilets or dumped rubbish in them. To somehow condone such deep primitivsm with the pathetic arguement that you did it to us so we'll do it to you, goes along way in explaining what kind of 'people' you're dealing with here. It harks back to the barbarism of the dark ages. God help them. And I mean that.
That happened when some civilized European states try to create a multi-ethnic paradise country for people who don't share European values and democracy, but prefer ancient clan structures. It will never work, not in Kosovo, not in Afghanistan.
(Analyst, 11 June 2011 13:22)
If you think that raging war against your neighbors, killing, burning and raping like serbs did (with blessing of churches) has something to do with european values, you're wrong. Why you don't look at your values before looking at other's values.
That happened when some civilized European states try to create a multi-ethnic paradise country for people who don't share European values and democracy, but prefer ancient clan structures. It will never work, not in Kosovo, not in Afghanistan.
We albanians dont care about your chuch when you your self have abandoned it. I dont see the chuches in rest of Kosovo being public toilets.
(Demi, 11 June 2011, 12:26)
That happened when some civilized European states try to create a multi-ethnic paradise country for people who don't share European values and democracy, but prefer ancient clan structures. It will never work, not in Kosovo, not in Afghanistan.
We albanians dont care about your chuch when you your self have abandoned it. I dont see the chuches in rest of Kosovo being public toilets.
(Demi, 11 June 2011, 12:26)
That happened when some civilized European states try to create a multi-ethnic paradise country for people who don't share European values and democracy, but prefer ancient clan structures. It will never work, not in Kosovo, not in Afghanistan.
(Analyst, 11 June 2011 13:22)
If you think that raging war against your neighbors, killing, burning and raping like serbs did (with blessing of churches) has something to do with european values, you're wrong. Why you don't look at your values before looking at other's values.
It's very difficult to explain the cultural value of an ancient monument to people who condone the vandalism we have seen being reported here. I don't ever recall reading that Serbian forces, either regular or irregular, or Serb civilians for that matter, used islamic religious places as toilets or dumped rubbish in them. To somehow condone such deep primitivsm with the pathetic arguement that you did it to us so we'll do it to you, goes along way in explaining what kind of 'people' you're dealing with here. It harks back to the barbarism of the dark ages. God help them. And I mean that.
Some of you must be aware that I am not a member of the Albanian Club. So there’s no need to talk of what I think of stealing the Kososvo Region of Serbia. But I there are things I can accept :
1/ Serbs and Albanians cannot live together any longer.
2/ Something must be done with the Orthodox churches and monasteries on the occupied territories.
3/ The sooner the two sides come to peace the better for both of them the better for Eurohe.
4/ The only side interested in the conflict to be lasted is the US meaning to stay in the region. Et cetera …
But please someone tell just one damned reason why on Earth those poor Serbians captured on North of K&M should live in this totally hostile reservation ? What is their sin that they have to suffer it all ? Why should they be deprived of the independence right the Albanians are making their stake on ? Under what legislation one nation leaving a state may kidnap other citizens which hate leaving the lands of their ancestors ? What legislation is such a discrimination based on ? Who gave Thaci the right to arrest thousands of free people ? What’s going on ? How can it be that a nation with not a single friend behind has managed to arrange such a deal ? Can anybody from the other side tell me just one damned reason why ?
Well said PEN, but I'm afraid your reasoning, as well as the reasoning of others that question why certain people spend time on this site attempting to find an excuse for this inexcusable act rather than condemning it as an embarrasment for their group and their so-called multiethnic "country" is invariably lost on them. That they either pass this off as propaganda or some cheap justification for stuff that took place 15 - 20 years ago shows the limits of their maturity.
If you think that raging war against your neighbors, killing, burning and raping like serbs did (with blessing of churches) has something to do with european values, you're wrong. Why you don't look at your values before looking at other's values.
Simpatiku
Yes, and they did it with the blessing of their church. And the mentality of their "church" didn't change at all.
Come on people some kids peed in an abandoned building wich accidentally was an serbian ortdhodox chuch and you people scream that albanians are much worse people than serbs.
Let's not compare things wich happend in the war then but why did you burn down foreign embassies with human beings in them in the middle of Belgrade 3 years ago? Or the mosque and Mcdonald's ?
You serbs of all people should know that you started three wars against neighbouring countrys and killed hundreds of thousands of human lives in the region with the blessing of chucrhes like this one. And you people have the guts to call albanian people primitive people with no moral ??
This church in question is an abandoned building wich junkies use to do drugs and sleep in. Bogdanovic and serb leaders is using this opportunety to use this abandoned building as propaganda to scare serbs to move back to Kosovo.
The international community and western countrys knowes that albanians are not bad as serbs describes us. It is only on albanian soil that an chuch and mosque can live peacefully in the same street with people walking in both of the buildings to pray.
If you dont want the church to be an public toilet then go back and take care of it with the help of the republic of Kosovo wich will be more than happy to help you clean it. The goverment of Kosovo have build many serbian churches burned down during the war and post war era.
"The Kosovo Strategic Action Network (KSAM) announced Friday the church had told all the world Serbs are the smartest best looking and civilized people on earth "
Than the politician complained about others.
Ksam is just another retarded rhetoric like the racist "constitution" that only ultra nationalist vote for.
If you got evidence, show it. I will not buy fiction book for Serbs like Carla for you to make sense.
no offence, but serbs are acting like wimps right now... How much more abuse are you going to take? The albos are practically shitting on your ancestors graves, and youre trying to negotiate with them? Good luck
If you think that raging war against your neighbors, killing, burning and raping like serbs did (with blessing of churches) has something to do with european values, you're wrong. Why you don't look at your values before looking at other's values.
(Simpatiku, 11 June 2011 14:24)
(with blessing of churches)
Please tell me what you believe these priests said to the Serbian soldiers before going into battle.
If you desire to go the primitive caveman's way - just tell it straight. There are way to deal with cavemen, one way or an other... even with cavemen who phantasize about Lekë Dukagjini.
At worst, there is always a rusty old spoon in Dagestan, too... just for you. ;-)
(Je¿ szeszeljski, dagestañski i czeczeñski, 12 June 2011 13:18)
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At least you now have finally disqualified yourself. The rusty spoon remark (although I have no idea about Dagestan unless it's the place you are deriving from) is more than tasteless. But nice that the ICTY has granted you internet access in Den Haag, Mr. Šešelj...
Joe
I am a Russian and I know nothing that the Saint Serbian Church is “blessing arms and ultra-nationalists going to commit crimes against non-Serbs”. Neither can I even imagine this. So if you have any facts we can discuss it. Besides they found themselves in a very difficult situation when great part of the Orthodox became refugees and many of the churches and monasteries were destroyed or cut off the mainland Serbia. One thing you are right – the Orthodox Church is a plot of the confidence of the people here. So if you hate Serbs you have reasons to hate their Church as well.
P.S. When in 2007 the head of the Georgian Church Illya-II claimed that he will damn everyone who will kill a Georgian. In the context it meant that you can kill Ossetians and Abkhasians. Nobody in the hypocrite West said a word and thus we’ve got the war 08.08.08.
JOE : “And the mentality of their "church" didn't change at all.”
"This is the main advantage of the Saint Orthodox Church ! We do not try to follow the fashion and stick to the original texts written in old Makedonian."
rote
Sticking to the original text is fine. Everybody approves it.
When I raised the unchanged mentality issue I referred to your clergy blessing arms and ultra-nationalists going to commit crimes against non-Serbs. This ultra-nationalist mentality of your top bishops didn't change in the last 12 years. By far I am not an atheist but considering the hypocracy of your top clergy atheists with moral codes are much more respactable than your "holy" men.
1. no offence, but serbs are acting like wimps right now... How much more abuse are you going to take? The albos are practically shitting on your ancestors graves, and youre trying to negotiate with them? Good luck
(croat, 11 June 2011 22:49)
================================
The problem is that when we are not acting like wimps we are called genocidal maniacs, butchers of Balkans etc. and the west bombs us.
Based on that audience I have my conclusion - this is a parody place, people go here to barf. I think a more heavy-handed moderation and strictly sticking to the forum guidelines would improve a lot.
***
But we would "miss" all your rants if there was stricter moderation in place, what a "loss" that would be...
JOE : “And the mentality of their "church" didn't change at all.”
This is the main advantage of the Saint Orthodox Church ! We do not try to follow the fashion and stick to the original texts written in old Makedonian. This is why we are called the Orthodox i.e. original Christians. And this is why we accept only one church outside our world – the Catholic. All the rest for us are just heretic sects very or transnational business companies. So we are proud that our Church does not change mentally. Promise – we won’t ! We also avoid anti-Semite things here. So next time before opening your Deep Throat please think twice.
"Come on people some kids peed in an abandoned building wich accidentally was an serbian ortdhodox chuch and you people scream that albanians are much worse people than serbs"
----------------------------
Here we go again with the kids excuse. When are you people going to raise your kids better? Do you entertain the idea that perhaps you kids should be respectful of other people's places of worship and not treat it this way?
This is a reflection on you, no matter how you look at it. Don't you see that?
no offence, but serbs are acting like wimps right now... How much more abuse are you going to take? The albos are practically shitting on your ancestors graves, and youre trying to negotiate with them? Good luck
(croat, 11 June 2011 22:49)
Good point, but the ones who are shitting on graves are not the ones who are in the negotiations. In the fact, the cavemen are de-facto working for Serbs. So are the roughly 10 permanent albotrolls who infest this web site. It ceased to be a "forum" long ago, the last few Albanians worth to talk with disappeared about a year or so ago.
Now this is more like a youtube channel - except that the people are probably much older. I think it's just frustration relief for the few (3 at maximum) who are in Kosovo. There are probably 2 from Albania, the rest is diaspora. The "honorary non-Albanians" are the Amer who is always worth to talk with... and two nut cases, one is the not-yet-American Joe (most likely - we have many proofs - a fictive character created by Joe Henel) who supposed to be the biggest Hungarian but is unable to fill out a passport application in his ex-native tongue. The other is "Roberto" Roberto Leonard Rope, a wanna-be journalist from San Francisco, filled with hate against Serbs after a suspicious-looking divorce (he is active LGBT member) from Dragana Dimitrov in 2006. Roberto boosts to have the greatest and best contacts to most of Serbian intelligentsia, Bosnians and Albanians and being close to the fire in Belgrade. In the reality he one day confessed to be unable to distinguish between written Albanian and written Serbian.
Based on that audience I have my conclusion - this is a parody place, people go here to barf. I think a more heavy-handed moderation and strictly sticking to the forum guidelines would improve a lot.
True, most Albanian posters and the two idiots above will disappear. Don't think it will be a loss.
Also to note: every time someone from Kosovo or Albania with genuine questions/concerns/normal mentality does appear, he is chased away and hunted down by the albotroll gang.
Wow! Bibsi ruski, who never ever showed the slightest pro-Hungarian sentiment on this site for the last 3 years but just the opposite (wanted to see Serbia start at "0" km stone in Budapest) suddenly tries to show some fake patriotic feeling. What shameless hypocracy!
“ Just a small correction that the Albanians in Kosovo declared independence because (as ICJ said) it did not violate international law or Resolution 1244… “
You have no idea of what you are talking about ! Best if you have at least one glance at the document you are leaning on. http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement But if you feel lazy here are some citrates to help you :
“ Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,
3. Demands in particular that the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia put an
immediate and verifiable end to violence and repression in Kosovo, and begin and complete verifiable phased withdrawal from Kosovo of all military, police and paramilitary forces according to a rapid timetable, with which the deployment of the international security presence in Kosovo will be synchronized;
4. Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and
Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;
10. Authorizes the Secretary-General, with the assistance of relevant
international organizations, to establish an international civil presence in Kosovo in order to provide an interim administration for Kosovo under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and which will provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic selfgoverning institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants of Kosovo;
5. Establishment of an interim administration for Kosovo as a part of the
international civil presence under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy
substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, to be decided by the Security Council of the United Nations. The interim administration to provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic self-governing institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants in Kosovo “
Why should they be deprived of the independence right the Albanians are making their stake on ?
(rote, 11 June 2011 18:28
Just a small correction that the Albanians in Kosovo declared independence because (as ICJ said) it did not violate international law or Resolution 1244, and not because they had a right to declare independence.
Unfortunately for the Serbs in North Kosovo, if they declare independence from Kosovo, that is against Resolution 1244 and international law.
As much as you could be man enough to ask this question to me face to face.
(Simpatiku, 11 June 2011 20:58)
Unsimpatiku,
I have some feeling, the "face-to-face" request has some other agenda than a friendly conversation about your besa's worth. If that's the case - you just answered any question regarding the value of your besa. If you desire to go the primitive caveman's way - just tell it straight. There are way to deal with cavemen, one way or an other... even with cavemen who phantasize about Lekë Dukagjini.
At worst, there is always a rusty old spoon in Dagestan, too... just for you. ;-)
So next time before opening your Deep Throat please think twice.
(rote, 11 June 2011 22:03)
Deep throat,little brain pseudochristian heritage.All summerized.
Nobody in the hypocrite West said a word and thus we’ve got the war 08.08.08.
(rote, 12 June 2011 16:38)
The democracy is "selective". For instance the people of Caucasus voted by overwhelming majority to stay in the union with Russia. That was of course less democratic than dividing the union into statelets with thieves at the head of each. Same was with Turkmenistan - and it produced the most bizarre regime of recent times, making Mao Zedong, Enver Hoxha and Kim Jong Il look as decadent pro-Western democrats. Barely a single critical word was heard from West about the suffering of Turkmen people and the Russian minority there. Because Turkmenbashi had special connections to Big Oil.
Now if ex-Hungarian almost-American Joe complains about the fate of Hungarians after Trianon - that was too, due some "democratic" thinking supported by the very same sort of hypocrisy and selective justice of French, GB, American governments.
“ Just a small correction that the Albanians in Kosovo declared independence because (as ICJ said) it did not violate international law or Resolution 1244… “
You have no idea of what you are talking about ! Best if you have at least one glance at the document you are leaning on. [link] But if you feel lazy here are some citrates to help you :
“ Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,
3. Demands in particular that the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia put an
immediate and verifiable end to violence and repression in Kosovo, and begin and complete verifiable phased withdrawal from Kosovo of all military, police and paramilitary forces according to a rapid timetable, with which the deployment of the international security presence in Kosovo will be synchronized;
4. Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and
Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;
10. Authorizes the Secretary-General, with the assistance of relevant
international organizations, to establish an international civil presence in Kosovo in order to provide an interim administration for Kosovo under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and which will provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic selfgoverning institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants of Kosovo;
5. Establishment of an interim administration for Kosovo as a part of the
international civil presence under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy
substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, to be decided by the Security Council of the United Nations. The interim administration to provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic self-governing institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants in Kosovo “
(rote, 12 June 2011 07:48)
Exactly that's what I was referring to and thanks for providing the proof that, as ICJ said, "the declaration of independence did not violate Security Council resolution 1244 (1999)"
Wow! Bibsi ruski, who never ever showed the slightest pro-Hungarian sentiment on this site for the last 3 years but just the opposite (wanted to see Serbia start at "0" km stone in Budapest) suddenly tries to show some fake patriotic feeling. What shameless hypocracy!
(Joe, 12 June 2011 22:32)
We albanians dont care about your chuch when you your self have abandoned it. I dont see the chuches in rest of Kosovo being public toilets.
(Demi, 11 June 2011, 12:26)
That happened when some civilized European states try to create a multi-ethnic paradise country for people who don't share European values and democracy, but prefer ancient clan structures. It will never work, not in Kosovo, not in Afghanistan.
(Analyst, 11 June 2011 13:22)
If you think that raging war against your neighbors, killing, burning and raping like serbs did (with blessing of churches) has something to do with european values, you're wrong. Why you don't look at your values before looking at other's values.
That happened when some civilized European states try to create a multi-ethnic paradise country for people who don't share European values and democracy, but prefer ancient clan structures. It will never work, not in Kosovo, not in Afghanistan.
If you think that raging war against your neighbors, killing, burning and raping like serbs did (with blessing of churches) has something to do with european values, you're wrong. Why you don't look at your values before looking at other's values.
Simpatiku
Yes, and they did it with the blessing of their church. And the mentality of their "church" didn't change at all.
It's very difficult to explain the cultural value of an ancient monument to people who condone the vandalism we have seen being reported here. I don't ever recall reading that Serbian forces, either regular or irregular, or Serb civilians for that matter, used islamic religious places as toilets or dumped rubbish in them. To somehow condone such deep primitivsm with the pathetic arguement that you did it to us so we'll do it to you, goes along way in explaining what kind of 'people' you're dealing with here. It harks back to the barbarism of the dark ages. God help them. And I mean that.
Come on people some kids peed in an abandoned building wich accidentally was an serbian ortdhodox chuch and you people scream that albanians are much worse people than serbs.
Let's not compare things wich happend in the war then but why did you burn down foreign embassies with human beings in them in the middle of Belgrade 3 years ago? Or the mosque and Mcdonald's ?
You serbs of all people should know that you started three wars against neighbouring countrys and killed hundreds of thousands of human lives in the region with the blessing of chucrhes like this one. And you people have the guts to call albanian people primitive people with no moral ??
This church in question is an abandoned building wich junkies use to do drugs and sleep in. Bogdanovic and serb leaders is using this opportunety to use this abandoned building as propaganda to scare serbs to move back to Kosovo.
The international community and western countrys knowes that albanians are not bad as serbs describes us. It is only on albanian soil that an chuch and mosque can live peacefully in the same street with people walking in both of the buildings to pray.
If you dont want the church to be an public toilet then go back and take care of it with the help of the republic of Kosovo wich will be more than happy to help you clean it. The goverment of Kosovo have build many serbian churches burned down during the war and post war era.
Some of you must be aware that I am not a member of the Albanian Club. So there’s no need to talk of what I think of stealing the Kososvo Region of Serbia. But I there are things I can accept :
1/ Serbs and Albanians cannot live together any longer.
2/ Something must be done with the Orthodox churches and monasteries on the occupied territories.
3/ The sooner the two sides come to peace the better for both of them the better for Eurohe.
4/ The only side interested in the conflict to be lasted is the US meaning to stay in the region. Et cetera …
But please someone tell just one damned reason why on Earth those poor Serbians captured on North of K&M should live in this totally hostile reservation ? What is their sin that they have to suffer it all ? Why should they be deprived of the independence right the Albanians are making their stake on ? Under what legislation one nation leaving a state may kidnap other citizens which hate leaving the lands of their ancestors ? What legislation is such a discrimination based on ? Who gave Thaci the right to arrest thousands of free people ? What’s going on ? How can it be that a nation with not a single friend behind has managed to arrange such a deal ? Can anybody from the other side tell me just one damned reason why ?
If you think that raging war against your neighbors, killing, burning and raping like serbs did (with blessing of churches) has something to do with european values, you're wrong. Why you don't look at your values before looking at other's values.
(Simpatiku, 11 June 2011 14:24)
(with blessing of churches)
Please tell me what you believe these priests said to the Serbian soldiers before going into battle.
Well said PEN, but I'm afraid your reasoning, as well as the reasoning of others that question why certain people spend time on this site attempting to find an excuse for this inexcusable act rather than condemning it as an embarrasment for their group and their so-called multiethnic "country" is invariably lost on them. That they either pass this off as propaganda or some cheap justification for stuff that took place 15 - 20 years ago shows the limits of their maturity.
"The Kosovo Strategic Action Network (KSAM) announced Friday the church had told all the world Serbs are the smartest best looking and civilized people on earth "
Than the politician complained about others.
Ksam is just another retarded rhetoric like the racist "constitution" that only ultra nationalist vote for.
If you got evidence, show it. I will not buy fiction book for Serbs like Carla for you to make sense.
JOE : “And the mentality of their "church" didn't change at all.”
This is the main advantage of the Saint Orthodox Church ! We do not try to follow the fashion and stick to the original texts written in old Makedonian. This is why we are called the Orthodox i.e. original Christians. And this is why we accept only one church outside our world – the Catholic. All the rest for us are just heretic sects very or transnational business companies. So we are proud that our Church does not change mentally. Promise – we won’t ! We also avoid anti-Semite things here. So next time before opening your Deep Throat please think twice.
1. no offence, but serbs are acting like wimps right now... How much more abuse are you going to take? The albos are practically shitting on your ancestors graves, and youre trying to negotiate with them? Good luck
(croat, 11 June 2011 22:49)
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The problem is that when we are not acting like wimps we are called genocidal maniacs, butchers of Balkans etc. and the west bombs us.
“ Just a small correction that the Albanians in Kosovo declared independence because (as ICJ said) it did not violate international law or Resolution 1244… “
You have no idea of what you are talking about ! Best if you have at least one glance at the document you are leaning on. http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N99/172/89/PDF/N9917289.pdf?OpenElement But if you feel lazy here are some citrates to help you :
“ Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,
3. Demands in particular that the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia put an
immediate and verifiable end to violence and repression in Kosovo, and begin and complete verifiable phased withdrawal from Kosovo of all military, police and paramilitary forces according to a rapid timetable, with which the deployment of the international security presence in Kosovo will be synchronized;
4. Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and
Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;
10. Authorizes the Secretary-General, with the assistance of relevant
international organizations, to establish an international civil presence in Kosovo in order to provide an interim administration for Kosovo under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and which will provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic selfgoverning institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants of Kosovo;
5. Establishment of an interim administration for Kosovo as a part of the
international civil presence under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy
substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, to be decided by the Security Council of the United Nations. The interim administration to provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic self-governing institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants in Kosovo “
no offence, but serbs are acting like wimps right now... How much more abuse are you going to take? The albos are practically shitting on your ancestors graves, and youre trying to negotiate with them? Good luck
(croat, 11 June 2011 22:49)
Good point, but the ones who are shitting on graves are not the ones who are in the negotiations. In the fact, the cavemen are de-facto working for Serbs. So are the roughly 10 permanent albotrolls who infest this web site. It ceased to be a "forum" long ago, the last few Albanians worth to talk with disappeared about a year or so ago.
Now this is more like a youtube channel - except that the people are probably much older. I think it's just frustration relief for the few (3 at maximum) who are in Kosovo. There are probably 2 from Albania, the rest is diaspora. The "honorary non-Albanians" are the Amer who is always worth to talk with... and two nut cases, one is the not-yet-American Joe (most likely - we have many proofs - a fictive character created by Joe Henel) who supposed to be the biggest Hungarian but is unable to fill out a passport application in his ex-native tongue. The other is "Roberto" Roberto Leonard Rope, a wanna-be journalist from San Francisco, filled with hate against Serbs after a suspicious-looking divorce (he is active LGBT member) from Dragana Dimitrov in 2006. Roberto boosts to have the greatest and best contacts to most of Serbian intelligentsia, Bosnians and Albanians and being close to the fire in Belgrade. In the reality he one day confessed to be unable to distinguish between written Albanian and written Serbian.
Based on that audience I have my conclusion - this is a parody place, people go here to barf. I think a more heavy-handed moderation and strictly sticking to the forum guidelines would improve a lot.
True, most Albanian posters and the two idiots above will disappear. Don't think it will be a loss.
Also to note: every time someone from Kosovo or Albania with genuine questions/concerns/normal mentality does appear, he is chased away and hunted down by the albotroll gang.
JOE : “And the mentality of their "church" didn't change at all.”
"This is the main advantage of the Saint Orthodox Church ! We do not try to follow the fashion and stick to the original texts written in old Makedonian."
rote
Sticking to the original text is fine. Everybody approves it.
When I raised the unchanged mentality issue I referred to your clergy blessing arms and ultra-nationalists going to commit crimes against non-Serbs. This ultra-nationalist mentality of your top bishops didn't change in the last 12 years. By far I am not an atheist but considering the hypocracy of your top clergy atheists with moral codes are much more respactable than your "holy" men.
Joe
I am a Russian and I know nothing that the Saint Serbian Church is “blessing arms and ultra-nationalists going to commit crimes against non-Serbs”. Neither can I even imagine this. So if you have any facts we can discuss it. Besides they found themselves in a very difficult situation when great part of the Orthodox became refugees and many of the churches and monasteries were destroyed or cut off the mainland Serbia. One thing you are right – the Orthodox Church is a plot of the confidence of the people here. So if you hate Serbs you have reasons to hate their Church as well.
P.S. When in 2007 the head of the Georgian Church Illya-II claimed that he will damn everyone who will kill a Georgian. In the context it meant that you can kill Ossetians and Abkhasians. Nobody in the hypocrite West said a word and thus we’ve got the war 08.08.08.
"Come on people some kids peed in an abandoned building wich accidentally was an serbian ortdhodox chuch and you people scream that albanians are much worse people than serbs"
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Here we go again with the kids excuse. When are you people going to raise your kids better? Do you entertain the idea that perhaps you kids should be respectful of other people's places of worship and not treat it this way?
This is a reflection on you, no matter how you look at it. Don't you see that?
no offence, but serbs are acting like wimps right now... How much more abuse are you going to take? The albos are practically shitting on your ancestors graves, and youre trying to negotiate with them? Good luck
Why should they be deprived of the independence right the Albanians are making their stake on ?
(rote, 11 June 2011 18:28
Just a small correction that the Albanians in Kosovo declared independence because (as ICJ said) it did not violate international law or Resolution 1244, and not because they had a right to declare independence.
Unfortunately for the Serbs in North Kosovo, if they declare independence from Kosovo, that is against Resolution 1244 and international law.
So next time before opening your Deep Throat please think twice.
(rote, 11 June 2011 22:03)
Deep throat,little brain pseudochristian heritage.All summerized.
As much as you could be man enough to ask this question to me face to face.
(Simpatiku, 11 June 2011 20:58)
Unsimpatiku,
I have some feeling, the "face-to-face" request has some other agenda than a friendly conversation about your besa's worth. If that's the case - you just answered any question regarding the value of your besa. If you desire to go the primitive caveman's way - just tell it straight. There are way to deal with cavemen, one way or an other... even with cavemen who phantasize about Lekë Dukagjini.
At worst, there is always a rusty old spoon in Dagestan, too... just for you. ;-)
Nobody in the hypocrite West said a word and thus we’ve got the war 08.08.08.
(rote, 12 June 2011 16:38)
The democracy is "selective". For instance the people of Caucasus voted by overwhelming majority to stay in the union with Russia. That was of course less democratic than dividing the union into statelets with thieves at the head of each. Same was with Turkmenistan - and it produced the most bizarre regime of recent times, making Mao Zedong, Enver Hoxha and Kim Jong Il look as decadent pro-Western democrats. Barely a single critical word was heard from West about the suffering of Turkmen people and the Russian minority there. Because Turkmenbashi had special connections to Big Oil.
Now if ex-Hungarian almost-American Joe complains about the fate of Hungarians after Trianon - that was too, due some "democratic" thinking supported by the very same sort of hypocrisy and selective justice of French, GB, American governments.
If you desire to go the primitive caveman's way - just tell it straight. There are way to deal with cavemen, one way or an other... even with cavemen who phantasize about Lekë Dukagjini.
At worst, there is always a rusty old spoon in Dagestan, too... just for you. ;-)
(Je¿ szeszeljski, dagestañski i czeczeñski, 12 June 2011 13:18)
***
At least you now have finally disqualified yourself. The rusty spoon remark (although I have no idea about Dagestan unless it's the place you are deriving from) is more than tasteless. But nice that the ICTY has granted you internet access in Den Haag, Mr. Šešelj...
Based on that audience I have my conclusion - this is a parody place, people go here to barf. I think a more heavy-handed moderation and strictly sticking to the forum guidelines would improve a lot.
***
But we would "miss" all your rants if there was stricter moderation in place, what a "loss" that would be...
“ Just a small correction that the Albanians in Kosovo declared independence because (as ICJ said) it did not violate international law or Resolution 1244… “
You have no idea of what you are talking about ! Best if you have at least one glance at the document you are leaning on. [link] But if you feel lazy here are some citrates to help you :
“ Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act and annex 2,
3. Demands in particular that the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia put an
immediate and verifiable end to violence and repression in Kosovo, and begin and complete verifiable phased withdrawal from Kosovo of all military, police and paramilitary forces according to a rapid timetable, with which the deployment of the international security presence in Kosovo will be synchronized;
4. Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and
Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;
10. Authorizes the Secretary-General, with the assistance of relevant
international organizations, to establish an international civil presence in Kosovo in order to provide an interim administration for Kosovo under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and which will provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic selfgoverning institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants of Kosovo;
5. Establishment of an interim administration for Kosovo as a part of the
international civil presence under which the people of Kosovo can enjoy
substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, to be decided by the Security Council of the United Nations. The interim administration to provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic self-governing institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants in Kosovo “
(rote, 12 June 2011 07:48)
Exactly that's what I was referring to and thanks for providing the proof that, as ICJ said, "the declaration of independence did not violate Security Council resolution 1244 (1999)"
Wow! Bibsi ruski, who never ever showed the slightest pro-Hungarian sentiment on this site for the last 3 years but just the opposite (wanted to see Serbia start at "0" km stone in Budapest) suddenly tries to show some fake patriotic feeling. What shameless hypocracy!
Wow! Bibsi ruski, who never ever showed the slightest pro-Hungarian sentiment on this site for the last 3 years but just the opposite (wanted to see Serbia start at "0" km stone in Budapest) suddenly tries to show some fake patriotic feeling. What shameless hypocracy!
(Joe, 12 June 2011 22:32)
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