wow! =) Skifteri! your brave comment made me shiver, boy! well, let´s see what we can do for you!
you say: >>"Also There is no scientific proof that disproves Albanian connection to Illyrians, if it were true it would be widely out there on cridible encyclopedias. "
honestly, my dear k-albanian friend, since when is there the necessity to prove that something ridiculous is ridiculous? I mean would you also ask me to prove that Mickey Mouse is not a comic-figure and not the president of Disneyland?
come on, dude. it´s not how you would love it to be, my dear. it´s the other way around! one has to prove what he claims. not what he denies.
so, that is all but an argument, actually. and therefore you won´t find any "cridible encyclopedias" where there is said they are not the descendants of the illyrians, since if they aren´t there is no need to say so. or put in another way: what is obvious does not have to be explicitly written. I hope you got my point. by the way in every court-room on this planet it is the same principle.
and please don´t come up with that usual nonsense about serbian "propaganda sites", I am not citing any web-site at all, when I am writing about the illyrian phantasies of our dear k-albanian friends, you are only distracting from your incapability to bring up arguments with that kind of conduct. it´s the opposite, you K-albanians come up with hyperlinks to outdated articles from the encyclopedia britannica from more than 120 years ago, when historians influenced by the literary "german romanticism" indeed believed the Albanians being the descendants of the Illyrians.
but modern science, has long ago put that non-scientific approach aside. with reason.
and furthermore, I do not intend to "convince" any of you Albanians here, please don´t fool yourselves with that thought!
I am just writing that it is nonsense in order to make it clear to others who are reading this, I know some non-serbian readers from here personally, and they are very interested in the way you are arguing here, actually.
all of those whom I know, have changed their opinion about the conflict in southern Serbia, and I am very thankful to you and your comrades because that was only possible through your comments, that have shown that you are arguing on the basis of pure racism, of course only imagined racism, since you have nothing to to with the ancient illyrians, but that´s what it is in the end, simple racism based on phantasy.
you write: >>"
If you asked me the physical proof exists as the Albanian people themselves."
boy, what can I do to make you understand it... COME ON,BRING IT UP, we are waiting for years now for some serious arguments from you Albanians, but you always only say you have some, but never bring them up!
where is that physical proof you are writing of? where? what is so difficult in that sentence, that you do not understand? where is that proof!??? you would be coming up with a scientific sensation, actually. I am very eager to read what kind of proof that would be. and please do not come up with an older, yellowed albanian newspaper you found somewhere in the fields of southern Serbia, that you would probably call a physical proof.
I have already several times now written that you Albanians cannot claim to be the descendants of the Illyrians because of some language-similarities, since todays Albanians have simply adopted much of the illyrian vocabulary just like the Roma have adopted much of other languages like armenian or persian. but that doesn´t make the Roma the descendants of the ancient Persians or Armenians.
and I have also given other examples of why this alleged language-link is nothing but a "pleaded" argument, so I will just refer you to read my posts of the last few days.
last but not least, well, if Kosovo is such a bad name, why have the Albanians taken it over then? =)
you make me smile, really.
I will repeat it again, since it is sufficiently strong compared to what you have to offer here: you are not the descendants of the illyrians, and these churches were never albanian. fullstop.
otherwise there would be some mentioning of it in historical records in both, ancient AND current records.
but there is nothing, and deep down inside yourself you know why.
You have to finish the sentence in order make a strong statements jovan
otherwise vauge information will not go vary far in convincing anyone.
For example you said:
" you are not the descendants of the illyrians, that´s commonly known, by scientific standards, AND these churches were never albanian."
Commonly known amongst the serbian propaganda circles would be a much stronger statement.
Also There is no scientific proof that disproves Albanian connection to Illyrians, if it were true it would be widely out there on cridible encyclopedias. you must have got your on the serbian propaganda sites, doesn't count as cridible to me. It might to you but a poor choice to get info when your trying to convince someone.
How do i know you might ask because the only unbiased information out there only theorises that Albanians are direct descendats, because of no physical proof that dates that far back. However, connection of the known Illyrian's whith Albanians has been made.
If you asked me the physical proof exists as the Albanian people themselves.
Otherwise explain why the Word Bardhyli (white star) ancient Illyrian King has no meaning in serbian and it obviosly does in modern Albanian.
Explain what Dardania means in serbian. By the way Kosovo(blackbird in serbian) was an exellent choice of name from the Serbs who conquered it in the middle ages. It truly reflects the people living there.
Funny.... all this fuss for a church.
(iliri, 11 June 2011 20:33)
Its really not enough fuss, If an Italian church for instance was vandalised in the way this was, then it would make headlines worldwide, however, as always; double standards come into play
"Apparently you forgot what Sinan Pasha did and you conveniently forgot, Decani had to be protected for centuries - by rifles. I guess, I know from whom. Do you need some evidence? "
No I didn't, but this "argument" is from the same type of silliness as the accusation that the jews are responsible for Jesus death and on that basis justifying attacks on them. This incident is solely based on the crimes of the SPC from 90s and the 20th century on general, because otherwise, as I stated, Catholic Churches would be also a target, which are obviously not.
"- the size of the Mother Theresa Cathedral won't make the perpetrators lesser idiots."
Deed is deed, yes, but this size of the Mother Theresa Cathedral could make those to idiots who constantly try to imply that this has anything to do with religion, or even stupider, with Medieval events.
You keep making up all these statistics..
"You killed hundreds of thousands in the region!"
"You killed 10,000 Albanians in Kosovo!"
Don't you already know that even the Americans have stated those ridiculous numbers you you made up are FALSE? So just keep talking out of your bottoms. Everybody is seeing first hand what kind of people you are. Just look at the latest headlines; destroying churches, terrorist attacks in Germany. Even everyday Americans can't stand your people. Most believe they were "fighting the wrong side" ONCE AGAIN! So keep doing what you're doing.
Just like 9/11 was done by the USA, to justify the war in Afghanistan, right? Life is so easy if you are living in a dream world based on conspiracy theories :-)
(Top, 11 June 2011 19:53)
There are better chances of 9/11 to be an insider job than Serbs involved in that vandalism.
...unfortunately my last comment was cut into pieces and only one part of it was approved by the B92-censors. what a shame, actually.
I was asking one of our dear k-albanian friends here, if these serbian churches really were "catholic albanian churches" before, ...as he claims it to be, why then, I asked him, why are you burning them down then?
I furthermore gave him a simple but logic explanation why his illyrian phantasy is nothing more than a phantasy,..but it seems that even that was too bad to pass the scissors of the admins...
nevertheless,...
you are not the descendants of the illyrians, that´s commonly known, by scientific standards, AND these churches were never albanian.
please spare us with fascist-like propaganda here.
Albanians did not go to Serbia killing over 10000 civilian, moving out of their homes 1 million and destroying and taking everything of those people.
Now we have to cry out of church that is abandoned and kids playing over there. Pathetic.
(gjon fusha, 11 June 2011 16:18)
Good point. Albanians have never been that organized or advanced to do something like that. They always need the help of some outside power to spread their terror and bad hygiene. Left to yourselves, you cry you don't have enough money to feed your 15 kids and now apparently just poop anywhere you please. What's really funny is that when you get international support you screw it up. International support, international protection, international finance, and international diplomacy and you're still Europe's bottomfeeders. That's what's really pathetic and you know it.
"How do we know this church was vandalised by Albanians? Does mr. Oliver have any proof or does he like to make things up, like most Serbian leaders, in order for the EU to think of the serbs in Kosovo as "victims"?"
(anna, 10 June 2011 20:10)
Of course the perpetrators weren't Albanians. They must have been Serbs, who did it to blame Albanians for it! Just like 9/11 was done by the USA, to justify the war in Afghanistan, right? Life is so easy if you are living in a dream world based on conspiracy theories :-)
''Probably some byzantine church built in Constantine period...Enver Hoxha would have solved this problem long times ago if allies and Tito gave Kosovo to Albanian Socialist Brothers ...
(iliri, 10 June 2011 22:21)
If only you all could have been under wonderful Uncle Hoxa. Each albanian would have his own luxury bunker to sit in and wait for invasion.... Tirana=Trabant, Pristina=Lada.
(Enver Dodga, 11 June 2011 01:34) ''
Wether wonderful or not, instead of this church we are talking about, would either be a pill box bunker, or a museum about the 'glorius' partizan warfare. At the very least, serbs would not be complaining about their 'sacred' and 'holy' roman byzantine heritage.
Do you people know how many albanian houses and mosques have been burned down by serbian forces?? Do you people know how many innocent lives have been destroyd by serbian military forces in whole of Balkans ? This includes killings of young men,women and eldrerly.
Demi
Definitely not a Hungarian either. They granted you the Hungarian citizenship, what was a terrible mistake. You, who declared on this site that you wanted to see Serbia start at the "0" km stone in Budapest. The real tragedy of Hungary is that there are thousands of people of your kind who have the Hungarian citizenship.
Just like Albanians who pathetically attempt to justify this valdalism.
(It's Hysterical, 11 June 2011 00:22)
Albanians did not go to Serbia killing over 10000 civilian, moving out of their homes 1 million and destroying and taking everything of those people.
Now we have to cry out of church that is abandoned and kids playing over there. Pathetic.
"How do we know this church was vandalised by Albanians? Does mr. Oliver have any proof or does he like to make things up, like most Serbian leaders, in order for the EU to think of the serbs in Kosovo as "victims"?
anna"
- Good point Anna! EU know better. How do we know? However, proof is not needed to make believers out of the biggotted 'sheep'. Just pay attention to the comments on this site alone.
Some commentators here are insulting Albanians by calling them names and threatening them with force.
What they don't know is that they're the laughing stock.
Little people at work here.
No SPC church would be at threat when the SPC didn't involve so much in the killings and hatred.
(JohnC., 11 June 2011 13:54)
Apparently you forgot what Sinan Pasha did and you conveniently forgot, Decani had to be protected for centuries - by rifles. I guess, I know from whom. Do you need some evidence?
BTW:
- the size of the Mother Theresa Cathedral won't make the perpetrators lesser idiots.
- I don't think I am any kind of "wing", I despise most politicians regardless of their country and political orientation they claim. There is not much to defend them.
- I don't think, I am a Serb.
- I think the so-called "Albanism" as the new-found main Albanians religion will fail. And not because of Serbs or other outside source.
While I cannot be personally sure of the allegations regarding the desecration of the Church in question, it certainly follows a pattern of behavior that is happening NOW, not during the war. Several of my friends were present in Pec when the new Serbian Orthodox Patriarch Irenej was enthroned. His car, the cars of other clergy attending, and even women and children attending the ceremony were stoned by Albanian Moslem thugs.
If they will do that, which I know to be true, I have little doubt about the church desecration. It is not the first time that Moslems have desecrated Christian Churches--it was not too many years ago that the Church of the Nativity in which Our Lord Jesus Christ was born was desecrated and the world watched it happen on TV and did nothing.
This seems like a clear ongoing pattern of hatred and descration of all non-Muslim holy sites, not just one Church.
"Do you people know how many albanian houses and mosques have been burned down by serbian forces?? Do you people know how many innocent lives have been destroyd by serbian military forces in whole of Balkans ? This includes killings of young men,women and eldrerly."
(Demi, 11 June 2011 08:33)
This story is not about burned 1000s of mosques and houses during the 1990th wars, or about 100s of burned churches and monastaries in 2004, but about an act of vandalism that happened RIGHT NOW, in the year 2011, in Europe. Is it so hard to understand? Mladic is war a criminal, and the killing of 100s of Serbs through Oric's people that happened before doesn't make him a hero and defender! A crime is a crime. Will this relativisation of crimes ever end?
Let me guess, just as Mladic wanted to repay it tot the Bosniaks for 500 Ottoman occupation...?
That is why they have been removed from many places all around the Balkans. Thank you for the confirmation.
Cheers!
(JohnC., 11 June 2011 10:06)
You compare what you are doing to 500 years of Ottoman occupation? Thank you for the confirmation.
I repeat: what is done, will be remembered and you will get all your "money" back, all what it is worth - with all interest accumulated for years atop of it.
If you want to learn the details how these deeds will be revenged - don't ask me. Ask a nice and wise Albanian gentleman whom I spoke recently with. He cares for a mosque in the area. He explained me very clear. What he will tell you is not a theology lesson, just a common wisdom. Don't think he is a friend of Mladic.
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I am not worried anymore. Stay where you are,enjoy in "gullash" and never come back back anymore in what is left from Ilyrian lands.
(Gyorgy iriqi, 11 June 2011 07:42)
Not my fault your Raki was to strong yesterday. More sour cucumbers + more sauerkraut will help your mood. Don't brew next time what you can't handle.
I knew very well that "will be remembered and you will get all your "money" back, all what it is worth - with all interest accumulated for years atop of it." will produce some strong effect. Are the involved posters afraid of something? Indeed, be afraid of yourself. ;-)
"You compare what you are doing to 500 years of Ottoman occupation?"
No Mladic did. Apparently, your semantics reflects that, too. Interestingly, you clearly neglect the happenings of the 90s, but for right-wing Serbs that should already be expected.
"If you want to learn the details how these deeds will be revenged - don't ask me. "
I don't have to ask you. I simply look upon the events in the 90s, the gross crimes of the Serbian state and his willing minions on the ground and see the result of this now. Or you want to tell me that this wouldn't backfire? No SPC church would be at threat when the SPC didn't involve so much in the killings and hatred. I don't see any Catholic Church threatened. In the contrary, the biggest Cathedral in the Balkans, the Mother Theresa Cathedral, is currently under way. But people like you will never been able to grasp that. Instead, they try to threat with subversive messages and infantile provocations. Well, we heard that non sense already, AtaSerb, when the war started in the 90s. In the end, Serbia got hammered and lost practically everything what it wanted to incorporate, leaving a blood of trail. This is what happens when a chauvinistic idea gets the chance to be lived out. It fails, just as you.
Serbian commentators care only what other people do to them, and it doesn't matter what they did to the others.
Funny isn't it?
(gjon fusha, 10 June 2011 22:48)
Which, curiously enough, is also exactly what Albanian commentators do, whining about "Milosheviq propaganda" every time your compatriots comit a new outrage.
Don't forget: you will get all your "money" back, all what it is worth - with all interest accumulated for years atop of it. Don't worry.
(Ataman, 10 June 2011 21:33)
Let me guess, just as Mladic wanted to repay it tot the Bosniaks for 500 Ottoman occupation...?
That is why they have been removed from many places all around the Balkans. Thank you for the confirmation.
They try burning 150 in one day-and they did all inhuman things only albanians can..
But every time they turn we make em bigger,better and shinier..
So keep on showing the world what a backward bottom feeders you are..
(lids, 10 June 2011 20:51)
It wasen't we (albanians) who murdered thousand of hundred innocent people through out Balkan. It wasen't we (albanians) who went to three other countrys and destroyed their property,infrastructure and people. We albanians have peace with all out neighbours and regional countrys and schare the same calues exept Serbia.
Do you people know how many albanian houses and mosques have been burned down by serbian forces?? Do you people know how many innocent lives have been destroyd by serbian military forces in whole of Balkans ? This includes killings of young men,women and eldrerly.
Ataman wrote: "you will get all your "money" back...with all interest... Don't worry" DJ, since you left Kosova, I am not worried anymore. Stay where you are,enjoy in "gullash" and never come back back anymore in what is left from Ilyrian lands.
Looks like its time to enforce Resolution 1244 and bring in Serbian military police to protect the Serbian churches of Serbian Kosovo.
(JohnBoy, 10 June 2011 19:06)
All you have to do is say "pretty please" and maybe you can get the necessary approval to bring in some agreed number of personnel to maintain a presence at patrimonial sites. Of course these will most likely be unarmed individuals. And considering that it will be less than a thousand to do all 4 functions that would be a maximum of 250 for the churches so that works out to what one person at each site.
Demi wrote: "Those churches that blessed warcriminals and murderes should be public toilets and nothing more. They don't even deserve to exist!! The serbian orthodox church shoulden't put their nose in politics and work against peace. "
unfortunately, there have even been some Albanians who used serbian churches as toilets, so your disgusting idea, is not new at all. it is even documented, and it only shows who YOU Albanians down there in southern Serbia really are.
all that will be remembered, my dear friend. and everything is being documented, and will be of use some day, when those responsible for that all have to face reality.
until that day, just go on writing your disgusting phantasies... it shows who you are to the whole world.
Probably some byzantine church built in Constantine period...Enver Hoxha would have solved this problem long times ago if allies and Tito gave Kosovo to Albanian Socialist Brothers ...
(iliri, 10 June 2011 22:21)
If only you all could have been under wonderful Uncle Hoxa. Each albanian would have his own luxury bunker to sit in and wait for invasion.... Tirana=Trabant, Pristina=Lada.
Here we go again.Since this is ethnically motivated crime in Serbian Province of KOSMET,still under control of UNSC.Government of Serbia should lodge complain in UNSC demanding punishment.immediate restoration of property affected plus punitive damages against so called "Kosovo Albanians Government"KFOR should be told,through UNSC,either do the work you are mandated to do or get out.No level of necessary tolerance could ever be reached in Kosovo with out totally eliminating ethnic crime.It
should be UNSC priority to find effective means to protect Serbian Orthodox Churches and Monasteries.For example,Government of Serbia should ask Russia and China to help draft new resolution protecting Churches and Monasteries with UN armed peace force for indefinite period of time.
Its unfortunate but true,Kosovo Albanians will not reach needed level of tolerance anytime soon
I feel sorry for these albanian perpetrators. They simply can't afford to go out night clubbing and drinking all night only to come home and throw up all over their parents favorite rug like real europeans do and have to make do with such low quality entertainment. I bet their parents don't give them explosives anymore before they go out. Tragic.
Serbian commentators care only what other people do to them, and it doesn't matter what they did to the others.
Funny isn't it?
(gjon fusha, 10 June 2011 22:48)
Just like Albanians who pathetically attempt to justify this valdalism.
It really is interesting to see all the Albanians who comment here, that they deny this. Like the comment about not spreading religious hatred... pffff, come on dont make me laugh for years albanian people have used terror to cleanse the land of Serbs, and for those who have the spirit to stand up to your disgusting acts, you kill them. 'Kosovo' as a country is an absolute joke, the fact that you can take yourselves seriously makes me laugh, never have I seen such a pathetic excuse for a country. With mafia gangsters running the place, crime being a hotspot for the mafia, and not to mention the laughable elections which take place there, some areas when independently analysed showing over 100% turnout, for anyone who doesn't understand this means the figures are false. Once again for all you albanians who dont believe this, or those of you who know the truth but deny it, if it is really necessary I can provide photographic and video evidence to support the claims, but to be honest I dont need to prove anything to you people.
Where is the proof that this even happend ?? It is just a lie!! Serbia is fighting under the belt with this kind of propaganda. Albanians are not the people in the world who voices religious hatred as both mosques and churches is homes to albanians.
Those churches that blessed warcriminals and murderes should be public toilets and nothing more. They don't even deserve to exist!! The serbian orthodox church shoulden't put their nose in politics and work against peace.
I don't see the catholic church in middle of Prishtina being a public toilet.
(Demi, 10 June 2011 19:42)
First you say
"Albanians are not the people in the world who voices religious hatred as both mosques and churches is homes to albanians."
then you go on and say
"Those churches that blessed warcriminals and murderes should be public toilets and nothing more. They don't even deserve to exist!! The serbian orthodox church shoulden't put their nose in politics and work against peace."
Serbian soldiers need to be put on guard and have shoot to kill orders.
''The Orthodox church in Samodreža, which is said to be the place where the Serb medieval kingdom'''
''is said''?
Probably some byzantine church built in Constantine period...Enver Hoxha would have solved this problem long times ago if allies and Tito gave Kosovo to Albanian Socialist Brothers ...
Oh course Serbs feel reluctant to return.The Kosovars are being paid by the US/EU to scare Serbs from returning,otherwise why is it when something happens to Serbs or their property the police can NEVER solve it.But if a Serb does it they are arrested within days if not hours...INTERESTING!
Who did that crap (literally) were obviously great fans of EULEX.
The more they do, the longer EULEX will stay in Kosovo.
'Nice comments from Albanians, appreciated and remembered.
Don't forget: you will get all your "money" back, all what it is worth - with all interest accumulated for years atop of it. Don't worry.
How do we know this church was vandalised by Albanians? Does mr. Oliver have any proof or does he like to make things up, like most Serbian leaders, in order for the EU to think of the serbs in Kosovo as "victims"?
The experts of KPS police investigated the case and immediately found out that it have been 'playing kids', this time the perpetrators were so small that they didn't know yet how to use a toilet ;-)
These kind of people of low intelligence where they have been dragged up
as opposed to being taught manners you can expect nothing more and nothing less.Maybe they are allowed to this kind of thing in their own house.
But by their crude actions and deeds in a place of worship shows what they really are .....scum
They try burning 150 in one day-and they did all inhuman things only albanians can..
But every time they turn we make em bigger,better and shinier..
So keep on showing the world what a backward bottom feeders you are..
Where is the proof that this even happend ?? It is just a lie!! Serbia is fighting under the belt with this kind of propaganda. Albanians are not the people in the world who voices religious hatred as both mosques and churches is homes to albanians.
Those churches that blessed warcriminals and murderes should be public toilets and nothing more. They don't even deserve to exist!! The serbian orthodox church shoulden't put their nose in politics and work against peace.
I don't see the catholic church in middle of Prishtina being a public toilet.
Considering all the hate the SPC has spread and the amount of blood it has on its hands, the Albanians are still very kind to the SPC. I'm not even mentioning the ongoing influence of the SPC in politics. In fact, there is in Europe no other country where religion has more influence in politics than in Serbia. It is time to root that out, at least in Kosovo. In Croatia, luckily, that has been exterminated.
Roger, you probably know they have been using these disgusting tactics to scare off Serbs from their ancestral homes for over a hundred years. It has been well-documented, even through the Communist years, that Albanians would use churches and the churchyards as their personal cattle and sheep stables. They would steal wood from SPC lands and take material from the church buildings themselves. They would break into monasteries and beat and rape old men and women, some even died. During this whole period of time, despite the documentation and pleading by the Church to the highest level of YU government (Tito), the complaints were ignored and brushed aside while the Albanians were allowed to continue their heathen activity. The Albanian institutions and policemen in the province were just as bad as their common Albanian, in fact, they were the ringleaders of this slow drive towards the ethnic cleansing of Kosovo and Metohija. These facts are undeniable, and God knows them as well. Everyone will get their just punishment in the end.
The Kosovo Strategic Action Network (KSAM) announced on Friday the church was vandalized several days earlier, with the door being broken and the building turned into "a garbage dump and a public toilet".
wow, is this is the building where paramilitaries got blessed by Serb clergy to kill Albanians in 1998/99?
ej, another story just like in Prizren, when Bogi claimed vandalism and showing the pics of 2004, and Zanier nailed Bogi on that one during last UNSC session. Lets wait and see what pics Oli will provide this time around.
Ivan, why make such stupid comments, you must be so uneducated. How about we look at the Catholic Church in Croatia, support to the facsist ustase in WW2, hiding Ante Pavelic, Hitler's right-hand man in the Balkans, childrens concentration camps run by nuns... the list goes on.
Aside from that stupidity, all this news shows us is that nobody gives a damn about Serbs in Kosovo, God forbid a mosque gets burned down but all the many Orthodox Churches being destroyed and nobody cares. Just goes to show the terrorism on the Serbian people in Kosovo continues, with EULEX, NATO and the UN doing nothing about it because they are there to serve only the Albanians, and to turn a blind eye to any crimes committed against Serbs.
based on the stupidity offered by the albanian poster..ivan...let's take his post further.
since the world is combating terrorism from islam..all mosques should be bulldozed and used as pig farms.
since the world is combating continued child molesation from the catholic church, those churches need be dismanatled brick by brick and converted into child day care centers.
It never ceases to amuse me how it's never occurred to the dimmer Albos that desecrating churches doesn't play well with their sponsors in America. Hardly surprising the yanks are getting bored with them.
These primitive individuals are like wild animals without shame or proper upbringing.
Putting your DUNG in public places is acceptable for dogs, horses, pigs and the like...not human beings.
These primitive individuals are like wild animals without shame or proper upbringing.
Putting your DUNG in public places is acceptable for dogs, horses, pigs and the like...not human beings.
It never ceases to amuse me how it's never occurred to the dimmer Albos that desecrating churches doesn't play well with their sponsors in America. Hardly surprising the yanks are getting bored with them.
Ivan, why make such stupid comments, you must be so uneducated. How about we look at the Catholic Church in Croatia, support to the facsist ustase in WW2, hiding Ante Pavelic, Hitler's right-hand man in the Balkans, childrens concentration camps run by nuns... the list goes on.
Aside from that stupidity, all this news shows us is that nobody gives a damn about Serbs in Kosovo, God forbid a mosque gets burned down but all the many Orthodox Churches being destroyed and nobody cares. Just goes to show the terrorism on the Serbian people in Kosovo continues, with EULEX, NATO and the UN doing nothing about it because they are there to serve only the Albanians, and to turn a blind eye to any crimes committed against Serbs.
based on the stupidity offered by the albanian poster..ivan...let's take his post further.
since the world is combating terrorism from islam..all mosques should be bulldozed and used as pig farms.
since the world is combating continued child molesation from the catholic church, those churches need be dismanatled brick by brick and converted into child day care centers.
Where is the proof that this even happend ?? It is just a lie!! Serbia is fighting under the belt with this kind of propaganda. Albanians are not the people in the world who voices religious hatred as both mosques and churches is homes to albanians.
Those churches that blessed warcriminals and murderes should be public toilets and nothing more. They don't even deserve to exist!! The serbian orthodox church shoulden't put their nose in politics and work against peace.
I don't see the catholic church in middle of Prishtina being a public toilet.
(Demi, 10 June 2011 19:42)
First you say
"Albanians are not the people in the world who voices religious hatred as both mosques and churches is homes to albanians."
then you go on and say
"Those churches that blessed warcriminals and murderes should be public toilets and nothing more. They don't even deserve to exist!! The serbian orthodox church shoulden't put their nose in politics and work against peace."
Serbian soldiers need to be put on guard and have shoot to kill orders.
Roger, you probably know they have been using these disgusting tactics to scare off Serbs from their ancestral homes for over a hundred years. It has been well-documented, even through the Communist years, that Albanians would use churches and the churchyards as their personal cattle and sheep stables. They would steal wood from SPC lands and take material from the church buildings themselves. They would break into monasteries and beat and rape old men and women, some even died. During this whole period of time, despite the documentation and pleading by the Church to the highest level of YU government (Tito), the complaints were ignored and brushed aside while the Albanians were allowed to continue their heathen activity. The Albanian institutions and policemen in the province were just as bad as their common Albanian, in fact, they were the ringleaders of this slow drive towards the ethnic cleansing of Kosovo and Metohija. These facts are undeniable, and God knows them as well. Everyone will get their just punishment in the end.
They try burning 150 in one day-and they did all inhuman things only albanians can..
But every time they turn we make em bigger,better and shinier..
So keep on showing the world what a backward bottom feeders you are..
Oh course Serbs feel reluctant to return.The Kosovars are being paid by the US/EU to scare Serbs from returning,otherwise why is it when something happens to Serbs or their property the police can NEVER solve it.But if a Serb does it they are arrested within days if not hours...INTERESTING!
These kind of people of low intelligence where they have been dragged up
as opposed to being taught manners you can expect nothing more and nothing less.Maybe they are allowed to this kind of thing in their own house.
But by their crude actions and deeds in a place of worship shows what they really are .....scum
Who did that crap (literally) were obviously great fans of EULEX.
The more they do, the longer EULEX will stay in Kosovo.
'Nice comments from Albanians, appreciated and remembered.
Don't forget: you will get all your "money" back, all what it is worth - with all interest accumulated for years atop of it. Don't worry.
The Kosovo Strategic Action Network (KSAM) announced on Friday the church was vandalized several days earlier, with the door being broken and the building turned into "a garbage dump and a public toilet".
wow, is this is the building where paramilitaries got blessed by Serb clergy to kill Albanians in 1998/99?
ej, another story just like in Prizren, when Bogi claimed vandalism and showing the pics of 2004, and Zanier nailed Bogi on that one during last UNSC session. Lets wait and see what pics Oli will provide this time around.
How do we know this church was vandalised by Albanians? Does mr. Oliver have any proof or does he like to make things up, like most Serbian leaders, in order for the EU to think of the serbs in Kosovo as "victims"?
Considering all the hate the SPC has spread and the amount of blood it has on its hands, the Albanians are still very kind to the SPC. I'm not even mentioning the ongoing influence of the SPC in politics. In fact, there is in Europe no other country where religion has more influence in politics than in Serbia. It is time to root that out, at least in Kosovo. In Croatia, luckily, that has been exterminated.
Where is the proof that this even happend ?? It is just a lie!! Serbia is fighting under the belt with this kind of propaganda. Albanians are not the people in the world who voices religious hatred as both mosques and churches is homes to albanians.
Those churches that blessed warcriminals and murderes should be public toilets and nothing more. They don't even deserve to exist!! The serbian orthodox church shoulden't put their nose in politics and work against peace.
I don't see the catholic church in middle of Prishtina being a public toilet.
The experts of KPS police investigated the case and immediately found out that it have been 'playing kids', this time the perpetrators were so small that they didn't know yet how to use a toilet ;-)
''The Orthodox church in Samodreža, which is said to be the place where the Serb medieval kingdom'''
''is said''?
Probably some byzantine church built in Constantine period...Enver Hoxha would have solved this problem long times ago if allies and Tito gave Kosovo to Albanian Socialist Brothers ...
Serbian commentators care only what other people do to them, and it doesn't matter what they did to the others.
Funny isn't it?
(gjon fusha, 10 June 2011 22:48)
Which, curiously enough, is also exactly what Albanian commentators do, whining about "Milosheviq propaganda" every time your compatriots comit a new outrage.
"Do you people know how many albanian houses and mosques have been burned down by serbian forces?? Do you people know how many innocent lives have been destroyd by serbian military forces in whole of Balkans ? This includes killings of young men,women and eldrerly."
(Demi, 11 June 2011 08:33)
This story is not about burned 1000s of mosques and houses during the 1990th wars, or about 100s of burned churches and monastaries in 2004, but about an act of vandalism that happened RIGHT NOW, in the year 2011, in Europe. Is it so hard to understand? Mladic is war a criminal, and the killing of 100s of Serbs through Oric's people that happened before doesn't make him a hero and defender! A crime is a crime. Will this relativisation of crimes ever end?
Demi wrote: "Those churches that blessed warcriminals and murderes should be public toilets and nothing more. They don't even deserve to exist!! The serbian orthodox church shoulden't put their nose in politics and work against peace. "
unfortunately, there have even been some Albanians who used serbian churches as toilets, so your disgusting idea, is not new at all. it is even documented, and it only shows who YOU Albanians down there in southern Serbia really are.
all that will be remembered, my dear friend. and everything is being documented, and will be of use some day, when those responsible for that all have to face reality.
until that day, just go on writing your disgusting phantasies... it shows who you are to the whole world.
Serbian commentators care only what other people do to them, and it doesn't matter what they did to the others.
Funny isn't it?
(gjon fusha, 10 June 2011 22:48)
Just like Albanians who pathetically attempt to justify this valdalism.
Just like Albanians who pathetically attempt to justify this valdalism.
(It's Hysterical, 11 June 2011 00:22)
Albanians did not go to Serbia killing over 10000 civilian, moving out of their homes 1 million and destroying and taking everything of those people.
Now we have to cry out of church that is abandoned and kids playing over there. Pathetic.
It really is interesting to see all the Albanians who comment here, that they deny this. Like the comment about not spreading religious hatred... pffff, come on dont make me laugh for years albanian people have used terror to cleanse the land of Serbs, and for those who have the spirit to stand up to your disgusting acts, you kill them. 'Kosovo' as a country is an absolute joke, the fact that you can take yourselves seriously makes me laugh, never have I seen such a pathetic excuse for a country. With mafia gangsters running the place, crime being a hotspot for the mafia, and not to mention the laughable elections which take place there, some areas when independently analysed showing over 100% turnout, for anyone who doesn't understand this means the figures are false. Once again for all you albanians who dont believe this, or those of you who know the truth but deny it, if it is really necessary I can provide photographic and video evidence to support the claims, but to be honest I dont need to prove anything to you people.
Let me guess, just as Mladic wanted to repay it tot the Bosniaks for 500 Ottoman occupation...?
That is why they have been removed from many places all around the Balkans. Thank you for the confirmation.
Cheers!
(JohnC., 11 June 2011 10:06)
You compare what you are doing to 500 years of Ottoman occupation? Thank you for the confirmation.
I repeat: what is done, will be remembered and you will get all your "money" back, all what it is worth - with all interest accumulated for years atop of it.
If you want to learn the details how these deeds will be revenged - don't ask me. Ask a nice and wise Albanian gentleman whom I spoke recently with. He cares for a mosque in the area. He explained me very clear. What he will tell you is not a theology lesson, just a common wisdom. Don't think he is a friend of Mladic.
---
I am not worried anymore. Stay where you are,enjoy in "gullash" and never come back back anymore in what is left from Ilyrian lands.
(Gyorgy iriqi, 11 June 2011 07:42)
Not my fault your Raki was to strong yesterday. More sour cucumbers + more sauerkraut will help your mood. Don't brew next time what you can't handle.
I knew very well that "will be remembered and you will get all your "money" back, all what it is worth - with all interest accumulated for years atop of it." will produce some strong effect. Are the involved posters afraid of something? Indeed, be afraid of yourself. ;-)
"You compare what you are doing to 500 years of Ottoman occupation?"
No Mladic did. Apparently, your semantics reflects that, too. Interestingly, you clearly neglect the happenings of the 90s, but for right-wing Serbs that should already be expected.
"If you want to learn the details how these deeds will be revenged - don't ask me. "
I don't have to ask you. I simply look upon the events in the 90s, the gross crimes of the Serbian state and his willing minions on the ground and see the result of this now. Or you want to tell me that this wouldn't backfire? No SPC church would be at threat when the SPC didn't involve so much in the killings and hatred. I don't see any Catholic Church threatened. In the contrary, the biggest Cathedral in the Balkans, the Mother Theresa Cathedral, is currently under way. But people like you will never been able to grasp that. Instead, they try to threat with subversive messages and infantile provocations. Well, we heard that non sense already, AtaSerb, when the war started in the 90s. In the end, Serbia got hammered and lost practically everything what it wanted to incorporate, leaving a blood of trail. This is what happens when a chauvinistic idea gets the chance to be lived out. It fails, just as you.
No SPC church would be at threat when the SPC didn't involve so much in the killings and hatred.
(JohnC., 11 June 2011 13:54)
Apparently you forgot what Sinan Pasha did and you conveniently forgot, Decani had to be protected for centuries - by rifles. I guess, I know from whom. Do you need some evidence?
BTW:
- the size of the Mother Theresa Cathedral won't make the perpetrators lesser idiots.
- I don't think I am any kind of "wing", I despise most politicians regardless of their country and political orientation they claim. There is not much to defend them.
- I don't think, I am a Serb.
- I think the so-called "Albanism" as the new-found main Albanians religion will fail. And not because of Serbs or other outside source.
Here we go again.Since this is ethnically motivated crime in Serbian Province of KOSMET,still under control of UNSC.Government of Serbia should lodge complain in UNSC demanding punishment.immediate restoration of property affected plus punitive damages against so called "Kosovo Albanians Government"KFOR should be told,through UNSC,either do the work you are mandated to do or get out.No level of necessary tolerance could ever be reached in Kosovo with out totally eliminating ethnic crime.It
should be UNSC priority to find effective means to protect Serbian Orthodox Churches and Monasteries.For example,Government of Serbia should ask Russia and China to help draft new resolution protecting Churches and Monasteries with UN armed peace force for indefinite period of time.
Its unfortunate but true,Kosovo Albanians will not reach needed level of tolerance anytime soon
Probably some byzantine church built in Constantine period...Enver Hoxha would have solved this problem long times ago if allies and Tito gave Kosovo to Albanian Socialist Brothers ...
(iliri, 10 June 2011 22:21)
If only you all could have been under wonderful Uncle Hoxa. Each albanian would have his own luxury bunker to sit in and wait for invasion.... Tirana=Trabant, Pristina=Lada.
"How do we know this church was vandalised by Albanians? Does mr. Oliver have any proof or does he like to make things up, like most Serbian leaders, in order for the EU to think of the serbs in Kosovo as "victims"?
anna"
- Good point Anna! EU know better. How do we know? However, proof is not needed to make believers out of the biggotted 'sheep'. Just pay attention to the comments on this site alone.
Some commentators here are insulting Albanians by calling them names and threatening them with force.
What they don't know is that they're the laughing stock.
Little people at work here.
I feel sorry for these albanian perpetrators. They simply can't afford to go out night clubbing and drinking all night only to come home and throw up all over their parents favorite rug like real europeans do and have to make do with such low quality entertainment. I bet their parents don't give them explosives anymore before they go out. Tragic.
While I cannot be personally sure of the allegations regarding the desecration of the Church in question, it certainly follows a pattern of behavior that is happening NOW, not during the war. Several of my friends were present in Pec when the new Serbian Orthodox Patriarch Irenej was enthroned. His car, the cars of other clergy attending, and even women and children attending the ceremony were stoned by Albanian Moslem thugs.
If they will do that, which I know to be true, I have little doubt about the church desecration. It is not the first time that Moslems have desecrated Christian Churches--it was not too many years ago that the Church of the Nativity in which Our Lord Jesus Christ was born was desecrated and the world watched it happen on TV and did nothing.
This seems like a clear ongoing pattern of hatred and descration of all non-Muslim holy sites, not just one Church.
"How do we know this church was vandalised by Albanians? Does mr. Oliver have any proof or does he like to make things up, like most Serbian leaders, in order for the EU to think of the serbs in Kosovo as "victims"?"
(anna, 10 June 2011 20:10)
Of course the perpetrators weren't Albanians. They must have been Serbs, who did it to blame Albanians for it! Just like 9/11 was done by the USA, to justify the war in Afghanistan, right? Life is so easy if you are living in a dream world based on conspiracy theories :-)
Don't forget: you will get all your "money" back, all what it is worth - with all interest accumulated for years atop of it. Don't worry.
(Ataman, 10 June 2011 21:33)
Let me guess, just as Mladic wanted to repay it tot the Bosniaks for 500 Ottoman occupation...?
That is why they have been removed from many places all around the Balkans. Thank you for the confirmation.
...unfortunately my last comment was cut into pieces and only one part of it was approved by the B92-censors. what a shame, actually.
I was asking one of our dear k-albanian friends here, if these serbian churches really were "catholic albanian churches" before, ...as he claims it to be, why then, I asked him, why are you burning them down then?
I furthermore gave him a simple but logic explanation why his illyrian phantasy is nothing more than a phantasy,..but it seems that even that was too bad to pass the scissors of the admins...
nevertheless,...
you are not the descendants of the illyrians, that´s commonly known, by scientific standards, AND these churches were never albanian.
please spare us with fascist-like propaganda here.
Albanians did not go to Serbia killing over 10000 civilian, moving out of their homes 1 million and destroying and taking everything of those people.
Now we have to cry out of church that is abandoned and kids playing over there. Pathetic.
(gjon fusha, 11 June 2011 16:18)
Good point. Albanians have never been that organized or advanced to do something like that. They always need the help of some outside power to spread their terror and bad hygiene. Left to yourselves, you cry you don't have enough money to feed your 15 kids and now apparently just poop anywhere you please. What's really funny is that when you get international support you screw it up. International support, international protection, international finance, and international diplomacy and you're still Europe's bottomfeeders. That's what's really pathetic and you know it.
They try burning 150 in one day-and they did all inhuman things only albanians can..
But every time they turn we make em bigger,better and shinier..
So keep on showing the world what a backward bottom feeders you are..
(lids, 10 June 2011 20:51)
It wasen't we (albanians) who murdered thousand of hundred innocent people through out Balkan. It wasen't we (albanians) who went to three other countrys and destroyed their property,infrastructure and people. We albanians have peace with all out neighbours and regional countrys and schare the same calues exept Serbia.
Do you people know how many albanian houses and mosques have been burned down by serbian forces?? Do you people know how many innocent lives have been destroyd by serbian military forces in whole of Balkans ? This includes killings of young men,women and eldrerly.
Just like 9/11 was done by the USA, to justify the war in Afghanistan, right? Life is so easy if you are living in a dream world based on conspiracy theories :-)
(Top, 11 June 2011 19:53)
There are better chances of 9/11 to be an insider job than Serbs involved in that vandalism.
Ataman wrote: "you will get all your "money" back...with all interest... Don't worry" DJ, since you left Kosova, I am not worried anymore. Stay where you are,enjoy in "gullash" and never come back back anymore in what is left from Ilyrian lands.
You keep making up all these statistics..
"You killed hundreds of thousands in the region!"
"You killed 10,000 Albanians in Kosovo!"
Don't you already know that even the Americans have stated those ridiculous numbers you you made up are FALSE? So just keep talking out of your bottoms. Everybody is seeing first hand what kind of people you are. Just look at the latest headlines; destroying churches, terrorist attacks in Germany. Even everyday Americans can't stand your people. Most believe they were "fighting the wrong side" ONCE AGAIN! So keep doing what you're doing.
Definitely not a Hungarian either. They granted you the Hungarian citizenship, what was a terrible mistake. You, who declared on this site that you wanted to see Serbia start at the "0" km stone in Budapest. The real tragedy of Hungary is that there are thousands of people of your kind who have the Hungarian citizenship.
Do you people know how many albanian houses and mosques have been burned down by serbian forces?? Do you people know how many innocent lives have been destroyd by serbian military forces in whole of Balkans ? This includes killings of young men,women and eldrerly.
Demi
''Probably some byzantine church built in Constantine period...Enver Hoxha would have solved this problem long times ago if allies and Tito gave Kosovo to Albanian Socialist Brothers ...
(iliri, 10 June 2011 22:21)
If only you all could have been under wonderful Uncle Hoxa. Each albanian would have his own luxury bunker to sit in and wait for invasion.... Tirana=Trabant, Pristina=Lada.
(Enver Dodga, 11 June 2011 01:34) ''
Wether wonderful or not, instead of this church we are talking about, would either be a pill box bunker, or a museum about the 'glorius' partizan warfare. At the very least, serbs would not be complaining about their 'sacred' and 'holy' roman byzantine heritage.
wow! =) Skifteri! your brave comment made me shiver, boy! well, let´s see what we can do for you!
you say: >>"Also There is no scientific proof that disproves Albanian connection to Illyrians, if it were true it would be widely out there on cridible encyclopedias. "
honestly, my dear k-albanian friend, since when is there the necessity to prove that something ridiculous is ridiculous? I mean would you also ask me to prove that Mickey Mouse is not a comic-figure and not the president of Disneyland?
come on, dude. it´s not how you would love it to be, my dear. it´s the other way around! one has to prove what he claims. not what he denies.
so, that is all but an argument, actually. and therefore you won´t find any "cridible encyclopedias" where there is said they are not the descendants of the illyrians, since if they aren´t there is no need to say so. or put in another way: what is obvious does not have to be explicitly written. I hope you got my point. by the way in every court-room on this planet it is the same principle.
and please don´t come up with that usual nonsense about serbian "propaganda sites", I am not citing any web-site at all, when I am writing about the illyrian phantasies of our dear k-albanian friends, you are only distracting from your incapability to bring up arguments with that kind of conduct. it´s the opposite, you K-albanians come up with hyperlinks to outdated articles from the encyclopedia britannica from more than 120 years ago, when historians influenced by the literary "german romanticism" indeed believed the Albanians being the descendants of the Illyrians.
but modern science, has long ago put that non-scientific approach aside. with reason.
and furthermore, I do not intend to "convince" any of you Albanians here, please don´t fool yourselves with that thought!
I am just writing that it is nonsense in order to make it clear to others who are reading this, I know some non-serbian readers from here personally, and they are very interested in the way you are arguing here, actually.
all of those whom I know, have changed their opinion about the conflict in southern Serbia, and I am very thankful to you and your comrades because that was only possible through your comments, that have shown that you are arguing on the basis of pure racism, of course only imagined racism, since you have nothing to to with the ancient illyrians, but that´s what it is in the end, simple racism based on phantasy.
you write: >>"
If you asked me the physical proof exists as the Albanian people themselves."
boy, what can I do to make you understand it... COME ON,BRING IT UP, we are waiting for years now for some serious arguments from you Albanians, but you always only say you have some, but never bring them up!
where is that physical proof you are writing of? where? what is so difficult in that sentence, that you do not understand? where is that proof!??? you would be coming up with a scientific sensation, actually. I am very eager to read what kind of proof that would be. and please do not come up with an older, yellowed albanian newspaper you found somewhere in the fields of southern Serbia, that you would probably call a physical proof.
I have already several times now written that you Albanians cannot claim to be the descendants of the Illyrians because of some language-similarities, since todays Albanians have simply adopted much of the illyrian vocabulary just like the Roma have adopted much of other languages like armenian or persian. but that doesn´t make the Roma the descendants of the ancient Persians or Armenians.
and I have also given other examples of why this alleged language-link is nothing but a "pleaded" argument, so I will just refer you to read my posts of the last few days.
last but not least, well, if Kosovo is such a bad name, why have the Albanians taken it over then? =)
you make me smile, really.
I will repeat it again, since it is sufficiently strong compared to what you have to offer here: you are not the descendants of the illyrians, and these churches were never albanian. fullstop.
otherwise there would be some mentioning of it in historical records in both, ancient AND current records.
but there is nothing, and deep down inside yourself you know why.
Looks like its time to enforce Resolution 1244 and bring in Serbian military police to protect the Serbian churches of Serbian Kosovo.
(JohnBoy, 10 June 2011 19:06)
All you have to do is say "pretty please" and maybe you can get the necessary approval to bring in some agreed number of personnel to maintain a presence at patrimonial sites. Of course these will most likely be unarmed individuals. And considering that it will be less than a thousand to do all 4 functions that would be a maximum of 250 for the churches so that works out to what one person at each site.
"Apparently you forgot what Sinan Pasha did and you conveniently forgot, Decani had to be protected for centuries - by rifles. I guess, I know from whom. Do you need some evidence? "
No I didn't, but this "argument" is from the same type of silliness as the accusation that the jews are responsible for Jesus death and on that basis justifying attacks on them. This incident is solely based on the crimes of the SPC from 90s and the 20th century on general, because otherwise, as I stated, Catholic Churches would be also a target, which are obviously not.
"- the size of the Mother Theresa Cathedral won't make the perpetrators lesser idiots."
Deed is deed, yes, but this size of the Mother Theresa Cathedral could make those to idiots who constantly try to imply that this has anything to do with religion, or even stupider, with Medieval events.
Funny.... all this fuss for a church.
(iliri, 11 June 2011 20:33)
Its really not enough fuss, If an Italian church for instance was vandalised in the way this was, then it would make headlines worldwide, however, as always; double standards come into play
You have to finish the sentence in order make a strong statements jovan
otherwise vauge information will not go vary far in convincing anyone.
For example you said:
" you are not the descendants of the illyrians, that´s commonly known, by scientific standards, AND these churches were never albanian."
Commonly known amongst the serbian propaganda circles would be a much stronger statement.
Also There is no scientific proof that disproves Albanian connection to Illyrians, if it were true it would be widely out there on cridible encyclopedias. you must have got your on the serbian propaganda sites, doesn't count as cridible to me. It might to you but a poor choice to get info when your trying to convince someone.
How do i know you might ask because the only unbiased information out there only theorises that Albanians are direct descendats, because of no physical proof that dates that far back. However, connection of the known Illyrian's whith Albanians has been made.
If you asked me the physical proof exists as the Albanian people themselves.
Otherwise explain why the Word Bardhyli (white star) ancient Illyrian King has no meaning in serbian and it obviosly does in modern Albanian.
Explain what Dardania means in serbian. By the way Kosovo(blackbird in serbian) was an exellent choice of name from the Serbs who conquered it in the middle ages. It truly reflects the people living there.
Just like Albanians who pathetically attempt to justify this valdalism.
(It's Hysterical, 11 June 2011 00:22)
Albanians did not go to Serbia killing over 10000 civilian, moving out of their homes 1 million and destroying and taking everything of those people.
Now we have to cry out of church that is abandoned and kids playing over there. Pathetic.
"How do we know this church was vandalised by Albanians? Does mr. Oliver have any proof or does he like to make things up, like most Serbian leaders, in order for the EU to think of the serbs in Kosovo as "victims"?
anna"
- Good point Anna! EU know better. How do we know? However, proof is not needed to make believers out of the biggotted 'sheep'. Just pay attention to the comments on this site alone.
Some commentators here are insulting Albanians by calling them names and threatening them with force.
What they don't know is that they're the laughing stock.
Little people at work here.
Where is the proof that this even happend ?? It is just a lie!! Serbia is fighting under the belt with this kind of propaganda. Albanians are not the people in the world who voices religious hatred as both mosques and churches is homes to albanians.
Those churches that blessed warcriminals and murderes should be public toilets and nothing more. They don't even deserve to exist!! The serbian orthodox church shoulden't put their nose in politics and work against peace.
I don't see the catholic church in middle of Prishtina being a public toilet.
How do we know this church was vandalised by Albanians? Does mr. Oliver have any proof or does he like to make things up, like most Serbian leaders, in order for the EU to think of the serbs in Kosovo as "victims"?
The Kosovo Strategic Action Network (KSAM) announced on Friday the church was vandalized several days earlier, with the door being broken and the building turned into "a garbage dump and a public toilet".
wow, is this is the building where paramilitaries got blessed by Serb clergy to kill Albanians in 1998/99?
ej, another story just like in Prizren, when Bogi claimed vandalism and showing the pics of 2004, and Zanier nailed Bogi on that one during last UNSC session. Lets wait and see what pics Oli will provide this time around.
Considering all the hate the SPC has spread and the amount of blood it has on its hands, the Albanians are still very kind to the SPC. I'm not even mentioning the ongoing influence of the SPC in politics. In fact, there is in Europe no other country where religion has more influence in politics than in Serbia. It is time to root that out, at least in Kosovo. In Croatia, luckily, that has been exterminated.
It never ceases to amuse me how it's never occurred to the dimmer Albos that desecrating churches doesn't play well with their sponsors in America. Hardly surprising the yanks are getting bored with them.
''The Orthodox church in Samodreža, which is said to be the place where the Serb medieval kingdom'''
''is said''?
Probably some byzantine church built in Constantine period...Enver Hoxha would have solved this problem long times ago if allies and Tito gave Kosovo to Albanian Socialist Brothers ...
The experts of KPS police investigated the case and immediately found out that it have been 'playing kids', this time the perpetrators were so small that they didn't know yet how to use a toilet ;-)
Ivan, why make such stupid comments, you must be so uneducated. How about we look at the Catholic Church in Croatia, support to the facsist ustase in WW2, hiding Ante Pavelic, Hitler's right-hand man in the Balkans, childrens concentration camps run by nuns... the list goes on.
Aside from that stupidity, all this news shows us is that nobody gives a damn about Serbs in Kosovo, God forbid a mosque gets burned down but all the many Orthodox Churches being destroyed and nobody cares. Just goes to show the terrorism on the Serbian people in Kosovo continues, with EULEX, NATO and the UN doing nothing about it because they are there to serve only the Albanians, and to turn a blind eye to any crimes committed against Serbs.
These primitive individuals are like wild animals without shame or proper upbringing.
Putting your DUNG in public places is acceptable for dogs, horses, pigs and the like...not human beings.
Where is the proof that this even happend ?? It is just a lie!! Serbia is fighting under the belt with this kind of propaganda. Albanians are not the people in the world who voices religious hatred as both mosques and churches is homes to albanians.
Those churches that blessed warcriminals and murderes should be public toilets and nothing more. They don't even deserve to exist!! The serbian orthodox church shoulden't put their nose in politics and work against peace.
I don't see the catholic church in middle of Prishtina being a public toilet.
(Demi, 10 June 2011 19:42)
First you say
"Albanians are not the people in the world who voices religious hatred as both mosques and churches is homes to albanians."
then you go on and say
"Those churches that blessed warcriminals and murderes should be public toilets and nothing more. They don't even deserve to exist!! The serbian orthodox church shoulden't put their nose in politics and work against peace."
Serbian soldiers need to be put on guard and have shoot to kill orders.
They try burning 150 in one day-and they did all inhuman things only albanians can..
But every time they turn we make em bigger,better and shinier..
So keep on showing the world what a backward bottom feeders you are..
Who did that crap (literally) were obviously great fans of EULEX.
The more they do, the longer EULEX will stay in Kosovo.
'Nice comments from Albanians, appreciated and remembered.
Don't forget: you will get all your "money" back, all what it is worth - with all interest accumulated for years atop of it. Don't worry.
based on the stupidity offered by the albanian poster..ivan...let's take his post further.
since the world is combating terrorism from islam..all mosques should be bulldozed and used as pig farms.
since the world is combating continued child molesation from the catholic church, those churches need be dismanatled brick by brick and converted into child day care centers.
Oh course Serbs feel reluctant to return.The Kosovars are being paid by the US/EU to scare Serbs from returning,otherwise why is it when something happens to Serbs or their property the police can NEVER solve it.But if a Serb does it they are arrested within days if not hours...INTERESTING!
Roger, you probably know they have been using these disgusting tactics to scare off Serbs from their ancestral homes for over a hundred years. It has been well-documented, even through the Communist years, that Albanians would use churches and the churchyards as their personal cattle and sheep stables. They would steal wood from SPC lands and take material from the church buildings themselves. They would break into monasteries and beat and rape old men and women, some even died. During this whole period of time, despite the documentation and pleading by the Church to the highest level of YU government (Tito), the complaints were ignored and brushed aside while the Albanians were allowed to continue their heathen activity. The Albanian institutions and policemen in the province were just as bad as their common Albanian, in fact, they were the ringleaders of this slow drive towards the ethnic cleansing of Kosovo and Metohija. These facts are undeniable, and God knows them as well. Everyone will get their just punishment in the end.
These kind of people of low intelligence where they have been dragged up
as opposed to being taught manners you can expect nothing more and nothing less.Maybe they are allowed to this kind of thing in their own house.
But by their crude actions and deeds in a place of worship shows what they really are .....scum
They try burning 150 in one day-and they did all inhuman things only albanians can..
But every time they turn we make em bigger,better and shinier..
So keep on showing the world what a backward bottom feeders you are..
(lids, 10 June 2011 20:51)
It wasen't we (albanians) who murdered thousand of hundred innocent people through out Balkan. It wasen't we (albanians) who went to three other countrys and destroyed their property,infrastructure and people. We albanians have peace with all out neighbours and regional countrys and schare the same calues exept Serbia.
Do you people know how many albanian houses and mosques have been burned down by serbian forces?? Do you people know how many innocent lives have been destroyd by serbian military forces in whole of Balkans ? This includes killings of young men,women and eldrerly.
"You compare what you are doing to 500 years of Ottoman occupation?"
No Mladic did. Apparently, your semantics reflects that, too. Interestingly, you clearly neglect the happenings of the 90s, but for right-wing Serbs that should already be expected.
"If you want to learn the details how these deeds will be revenged - don't ask me. "
I don't have to ask you. I simply look upon the events in the 90s, the gross crimes of the Serbian state and his willing minions on the ground and see the result of this now. Or you want to tell me that this wouldn't backfire? No SPC church would be at threat when the SPC didn't involve so much in the killings and hatred. I don't see any Catholic Church threatened. In the contrary, the biggest Cathedral in the Balkans, the Mother Theresa Cathedral, is currently under way. But people like you will never been able to grasp that. Instead, they try to threat with subversive messages and infantile provocations. Well, we heard that non sense already, AtaSerb, when the war started in the 90s. In the end, Serbia got hammered and lost practically everything what it wanted to incorporate, leaving a blood of trail. This is what happens when a chauvinistic idea gets the chance to be lived out. It fails, just as you.
No SPC church would be at threat when the SPC didn't involve so much in the killings and hatred.
(JohnC., 11 June 2011 13:54)
Apparently you forgot what Sinan Pasha did and you conveniently forgot, Decani had to be protected for centuries - by rifles. I guess, I know from whom. Do you need some evidence?
BTW:
- the size of the Mother Theresa Cathedral won't make the perpetrators lesser idiots.
- I don't think I am any kind of "wing", I despise most politicians regardless of their country and political orientation they claim. There is not much to defend them.
- I don't think, I am a Serb.
- I think the so-called "Albanism" as the new-found main Albanians religion will fail. And not because of Serbs or other outside source.
Ataman wrote: "you will get all your "money" back...with all interest... Don't worry" DJ, since you left Kosova, I am not worried anymore. Stay where you are,enjoy in "gullash" and never come back back anymore in what is left from Ilyrian lands.
While I cannot be personally sure of the allegations regarding the desecration of the Church in question, it certainly follows a pattern of behavior that is happening NOW, not during the war. Several of my friends were present in Pec when the new Serbian Orthodox Patriarch Irenej was enthroned. His car, the cars of other clergy attending, and even women and children attending the ceremony were stoned by Albanian Moslem thugs.
If they will do that, which I know to be true, I have little doubt about the church desecration. It is not the first time that Moslems have desecrated Christian Churches--it was not too many years ago that the Church of the Nativity in which Our Lord Jesus Christ was born was desecrated and the world watched it happen on TV and did nothing.
This seems like a clear ongoing pattern of hatred and descration of all non-Muslim holy sites, not just one Church.
Don't forget: you will get all your "money" back, all what it is worth - with all interest accumulated for years atop of it. Don't worry.
(Ataman, 10 June 2011 21:33)
Let me guess, just as Mladic wanted to repay it tot the Bosniaks for 500 Ottoman occupation...?
That is why they have been removed from many places all around the Balkans. Thank you for the confirmation.
Definitely not a Hungarian either. They granted you the Hungarian citizenship, what was a terrible mistake. You, who declared on this site that you wanted to see Serbia start at the "0" km stone in Budapest. The real tragedy of Hungary is that there are thousands of people of your kind who have the Hungarian citizenship.
Serbian commentators care only what other people do to them, and it doesn't matter what they did to the others.
Funny isn't it?
(gjon fusha, 10 June 2011 22:48)
Which, curiously enough, is also exactly what Albanian commentators do, whining about "Milosheviq propaganda" every time your compatriots comit a new outrage.
Let me guess, just as Mladic wanted to repay it tot the Bosniaks for 500 Ottoman occupation...?
That is why they have been removed from many places all around the Balkans. Thank you for the confirmation.
Cheers!
(JohnC., 11 June 2011 10:06)
You compare what you are doing to 500 years of Ottoman occupation? Thank you for the confirmation.
I repeat: what is done, will be remembered and you will get all your "money" back, all what it is worth - with all interest accumulated for years atop of it.
If you want to learn the details how these deeds will be revenged - don't ask me. Ask a nice and wise Albanian gentleman whom I spoke recently with. He cares for a mosque in the area. He explained me very clear. What he will tell you is not a theology lesson, just a common wisdom. Don't think he is a friend of Mladic.
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I am not worried anymore. Stay where you are,enjoy in "gullash" and never come back back anymore in what is left from Ilyrian lands.
(Gyorgy iriqi, 11 June 2011 07:42)
Not my fault your Raki was to strong yesterday. More sour cucumbers + more sauerkraut will help your mood. Don't brew next time what you can't handle.
I knew very well that "will be remembered and you will get all your "money" back, all what it is worth - with all interest accumulated for years atop of it." will produce some strong effect. Are the involved posters afraid of something? Indeed, be afraid of yourself. ;-)
Do you people know how many albanian houses and mosques have been burned down by serbian forces?? Do you people know how many innocent lives have been destroyd by serbian military forces in whole of Balkans ? This includes killings of young men,women and eldrerly.
Demi
"Do you people know how many albanian houses and mosques have been burned down by serbian forces?? Do you people know how many innocent lives have been destroyd by serbian military forces in whole of Balkans ? This includes killings of young men,women and eldrerly."
(Demi, 11 June 2011 08:33)
This story is not about burned 1000s of mosques and houses during the 1990th wars, or about 100s of burned churches and monastaries in 2004, but about an act of vandalism that happened RIGHT NOW, in the year 2011, in Europe. Is it so hard to understand? Mladic is war a criminal, and the killing of 100s of Serbs through Oric's people that happened before doesn't make him a hero and defender! A crime is a crime. Will this relativisation of crimes ever end?
Looks like its time to enforce Resolution 1244 and bring in Serbian military police to protect the Serbian churches of Serbian Kosovo.
(JohnBoy, 10 June 2011 19:06)
All you have to do is say "pretty please" and maybe you can get the necessary approval to bring in some agreed number of personnel to maintain a presence at patrimonial sites. Of course these will most likely be unarmed individuals. And considering that it will be less than a thousand to do all 4 functions that would be a maximum of 250 for the churches so that works out to what one person at each site.
It really is interesting to see all the Albanians who comment here, that they deny this. Like the comment about not spreading religious hatred... pffff, come on dont make me laugh for years albanian people have used terror to cleanse the land of Serbs, and for those who have the spirit to stand up to your disgusting acts, you kill them. 'Kosovo' as a country is an absolute joke, the fact that you can take yourselves seriously makes me laugh, never have I seen such a pathetic excuse for a country. With mafia gangsters running the place, crime being a hotspot for the mafia, and not to mention the laughable elections which take place there, some areas when independently analysed showing over 100% turnout, for anyone who doesn't understand this means the figures are false. Once again for all you albanians who dont believe this, or those of you who know the truth but deny it, if it is really necessary I can provide photographic and video evidence to support the claims, but to be honest I dont need to prove anything to you people.
Here we go again.Since this is ethnically motivated crime in Serbian Province of KOSMET,still under control of UNSC.Government of Serbia should lodge complain in UNSC demanding punishment.immediate restoration of property affected plus punitive damages against so called "Kosovo Albanians Government"KFOR should be told,through UNSC,either do the work you are mandated to do or get out.No level of necessary tolerance could ever be reached in Kosovo with out totally eliminating ethnic crime.It
should be UNSC priority to find effective means to protect Serbian Orthodox Churches and Monasteries.For example,Government of Serbia should ask Russia and China to help draft new resolution protecting Churches and Monasteries with UN armed peace force for indefinite period of time.
Its unfortunate but true,Kosovo Albanians will not reach needed level of tolerance anytime soon
Serbian commentators care only what other people do to them, and it doesn't matter what they did to the others.
Funny isn't it?
(gjon fusha, 10 June 2011 22:48)
Just like Albanians who pathetically attempt to justify this valdalism.
I feel sorry for these albanian perpetrators. They simply can't afford to go out night clubbing and drinking all night only to come home and throw up all over their parents favorite rug like real europeans do and have to make do with such low quality entertainment. I bet their parents don't give them explosives anymore before they go out. Tragic.
"How do we know this church was vandalised by Albanians? Does mr. Oliver have any proof or does he like to make things up, like most Serbian leaders, in order for the EU to think of the serbs in Kosovo as "victims"?"
(anna, 10 June 2011 20:10)
Of course the perpetrators weren't Albanians. They must have been Serbs, who did it to blame Albanians for it! Just like 9/11 was done by the USA, to justify the war in Afghanistan, right? Life is so easy if you are living in a dream world based on conspiracy theories :-)
Demi wrote: "Those churches that blessed warcriminals and murderes should be public toilets and nothing more. They don't even deserve to exist!! The serbian orthodox church shoulden't put their nose in politics and work against peace. "
unfortunately, there have even been some Albanians who used serbian churches as toilets, so your disgusting idea, is not new at all. it is even documented, and it only shows who YOU Albanians down there in southern Serbia really are.
all that will be remembered, my dear friend. and everything is being documented, and will be of use some day, when those responsible for that all have to face reality.
until that day, just go on writing your disgusting phantasies... it shows who you are to the whole world.
Probably some byzantine church built in Constantine period...Enver Hoxha would have solved this problem long times ago if allies and Tito gave Kosovo to Albanian Socialist Brothers ...
(iliri, 10 June 2011 22:21)
If only you all could have been under wonderful Uncle Hoxa. Each albanian would have his own luxury bunker to sit in and wait for invasion.... Tirana=Trabant, Pristina=Lada.
"Apparently you forgot what Sinan Pasha did and you conveniently forgot, Decani had to be protected for centuries - by rifles. I guess, I know from whom. Do you need some evidence? "
No I didn't, but this "argument" is from the same type of silliness as the accusation that the jews are responsible for Jesus death and on that basis justifying attacks on them. This incident is solely based on the crimes of the SPC from 90s and the 20th century on general, because otherwise, as I stated, Catholic Churches would be also a target, which are obviously not.
"- the size of the Mother Theresa Cathedral won't make the perpetrators lesser idiots."
Deed is deed, yes, but this size of the Mother Theresa Cathedral could make those to idiots who constantly try to imply that this has anything to do with religion, or even stupider, with Medieval events.
You keep making up all these statistics..
"You killed hundreds of thousands in the region!"
"You killed 10,000 Albanians in Kosovo!"
Don't you already know that even the Americans have stated those ridiculous numbers you you made up are FALSE? So just keep talking out of your bottoms. Everybody is seeing first hand what kind of people you are. Just look at the latest headlines; destroying churches, terrorist attacks in Germany. Even everyday Americans can't stand your people. Most believe they were "fighting the wrong side" ONCE AGAIN! So keep doing what you're doing.
''Probably some byzantine church built in Constantine period...Enver Hoxha would have solved this problem long times ago if allies and Tito gave Kosovo to Albanian Socialist Brothers ...
(iliri, 10 June 2011 22:21)
If only you all could have been under wonderful Uncle Hoxa. Each albanian would have his own luxury bunker to sit in and wait for invasion.... Tirana=Trabant, Pristina=Lada.
(Enver Dodga, 11 June 2011 01:34) ''
Wether wonderful or not, instead of this church we are talking about, would either be a pill box bunker, or a museum about the 'glorius' partizan warfare. At the very least, serbs would not be complaining about their 'sacred' and 'holy' roman byzantine heritage.
Albanians did not go to Serbia killing over 10000 civilian, moving out of their homes 1 million and destroying and taking everything of those people.
Now we have to cry out of church that is abandoned and kids playing over there. Pathetic.
(gjon fusha, 11 June 2011 16:18)
Good point. Albanians have never been that organized or advanced to do something like that. They always need the help of some outside power to spread their terror and bad hygiene. Left to yourselves, you cry you don't have enough money to feed your 15 kids and now apparently just poop anywhere you please. What's really funny is that when you get international support you screw it up. International support, international protection, international finance, and international diplomacy and you're still Europe's bottomfeeders. That's what's really pathetic and you know it.
...unfortunately my last comment was cut into pieces and only one part of it was approved by the B92-censors. what a shame, actually.
I was asking one of our dear k-albanian friends here, if these serbian churches really were "catholic albanian churches" before, ...as he claims it to be, why then, I asked him, why are you burning them down then?
I furthermore gave him a simple but logic explanation why his illyrian phantasy is nothing more than a phantasy,..but it seems that even that was too bad to pass the scissors of the admins...
nevertheless,...
you are not the descendants of the illyrians, that´s commonly known, by scientific standards, AND these churches were never albanian.
please spare us with fascist-like propaganda here.
Just like 9/11 was done by the USA, to justify the war in Afghanistan, right? Life is so easy if you are living in a dream world based on conspiracy theories :-)
(Top, 11 June 2011 19:53)
There are better chances of 9/11 to be an insider job than Serbs involved in that vandalism.
You have to finish the sentence in order make a strong statements jovan
otherwise vauge information will not go vary far in convincing anyone.
For example you said:
" you are not the descendants of the illyrians, that´s commonly known, by scientific standards, AND these churches were never albanian."
Commonly known amongst the serbian propaganda circles would be a much stronger statement.
Also There is no scientific proof that disproves Albanian connection to Illyrians, if it were true it would be widely out there on cridible encyclopedias. you must have got your on the serbian propaganda sites, doesn't count as cridible to me. It might to you but a poor choice to get info when your trying to convince someone.
How do i know you might ask because the only unbiased information out there only theorises that Albanians are direct descendats, because of no physical proof that dates that far back. However, connection of the known Illyrian's whith Albanians has been made.
If you asked me the physical proof exists as the Albanian people themselves.
Otherwise explain why the Word Bardhyli (white star) ancient Illyrian King has no meaning in serbian and it obviosly does in modern Albanian.
Explain what Dardania means in serbian. By the way Kosovo(blackbird in serbian) was an exellent choice of name from the Serbs who conquered it in the middle ages. It truly reflects the people living there.
wow! =) Skifteri! your brave comment made me shiver, boy! well, let´s see what we can do for you!
you say: >>"Also There is no scientific proof that disproves Albanian connection to Illyrians, if it were true it would be widely out there on cridible encyclopedias. "
honestly, my dear k-albanian friend, since when is there the necessity to prove that something ridiculous is ridiculous? I mean would you also ask me to prove that Mickey Mouse is not a comic-figure and not the president of Disneyland?
come on, dude. it´s not how you would love it to be, my dear. it´s the other way around! one has to prove what he claims. not what he denies.
so, that is all but an argument, actually. and therefore you won´t find any "cridible encyclopedias" where there is said they are not the descendants of the illyrians, since if they aren´t there is no need to say so. or put in another way: what is obvious does not have to be explicitly written. I hope you got my point. by the way in every court-room on this planet it is the same principle.
and please don´t come up with that usual nonsense about serbian "propaganda sites", I am not citing any web-site at all, when I am writing about the illyrian phantasies of our dear k-albanian friends, you are only distracting from your incapability to bring up arguments with that kind of conduct. it´s the opposite, you K-albanians come up with hyperlinks to outdated articles from the encyclopedia britannica from more than 120 years ago, when historians influenced by the literary "german romanticism" indeed believed the Albanians being the descendants of the Illyrians.
but modern science, has long ago put that non-scientific approach aside. with reason.
and furthermore, I do not intend to "convince" any of you Albanians here, please don´t fool yourselves with that thought!
I am just writing that it is nonsense in order to make it clear to others who are reading this, I know some non-serbian readers from here personally, and they are very interested in the way you are arguing here, actually.
all of those whom I know, have changed their opinion about the conflict in southern Serbia, and I am very thankful to you and your comrades because that was only possible through your comments, that have shown that you are arguing on the basis of pure racism, of course only imagined racism, since you have nothing to to with the ancient illyrians, but that´s what it is in the end, simple racism based on phantasy.
you write: >>"
If you asked me the physical proof exists as the Albanian people themselves."
boy, what can I do to make you understand it... COME ON,BRING IT UP, we are waiting for years now for some serious arguments from you Albanians, but you always only say you have some, but never bring them up!
where is that physical proof you are writing of? where? what is so difficult in that sentence, that you do not understand? where is that proof!??? you would be coming up with a scientific sensation, actually. I am very eager to read what kind of proof that would be. and please do not come up with an older, yellowed albanian newspaper you found somewhere in the fields of southern Serbia, that you would probably call a physical proof.
I have already several times now written that you Albanians cannot claim to be the descendants of the Illyrians because of some language-similarities, since todays Albanians have simply adopted much of the illyrian vocabulary just like the Roma have adopted much of other languages like armenian or persian. but that doesn´t make the Roma the descendants of the ancient Persians or Armenians.
and I have also given other examples of why this alleged language-link is nothing but a "pleaded" argument, so I will just refer you to read my posts of the last few days.
last but not least, well, if Kosovo is such a bad name, why have the Albanians taken it over then? =)
you make me smile, really.
I will repeat it again, since it is sufficiently strong compared to what you have to offer here: you are not the descendants of the illyrians, and these churches were never albanian. fullstop.
otherwise there would be some mentioning of it in historical records in both, ancient AND current records.
but there is nothing, and deep down inside yourself you know why.
Funny.... all this fuss for a church.
(iliri, 11 June 2011 20:33)
Its really not enough fuss, If an Italian church for instance was vandalised in the way this was, then it would make headlines worldwide, however, as always; double standards come into play
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