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Friday, 10.06.2011.

09:42

"EU appoints team to investigate Kosovo organ trade"

The EU has decided to appoint a special prosecutor and a team to investigate the Kosovo human organ trafficking allegations, said reports.

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Jovan

pre 12 godina

@Ataman:

it´s funny though, ...only now I´ve discovered your very nicely written answer to " Theo K. ". really, it was fun reading it, since it is so clearly displaying the total lack of substance in regard to the comments or should I say claims of our dear k-albanian friends in here...

but, I must tell you, do not expect any answer from any of them! you know, I have witnessed it so many times before, and it is really always the same pattern:
first they claim something, with more or less "information" provided, and if you react, if you answer their rubbish, and show them that it is pure nonsense what they are writing, they simply stay quiet. like cowards.

and even this "Theo K." who is very likely no Theo, but rather an Agim or Bekim or whoever, is a non-starter actually. I personally asked him two times to bring up something with more substance, ...but nothing happened.

so, that´s the way our dear k-albanian friends are disqualifying themselves here, it´s just and simply the lack of any kind of knowledge or understanding. just negative attitudes, hatred and ignorance.

and they do not even realize that they are poisoning their very own souls...

once again, thanks for that nicely written contribution, it was really nice to read it.

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doodah

pre 12 godina

I have as an international in Kosovo met several hundreds of different Mup, VS special unit etc in Kosovo only in 2010 and 2011. Actually most of them south of Ibar. Did you really think otherwise ??
(Staff, 11 June 2011 05:31)
Are you giving us your "special" inside information that Serbia is violating 1244 and international law to a huge degree. I think we need a special investigator and sanctions based on your revelations. Of course we will keep quiet your track record on the other inside information you have previously revealed.

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Ataman

pre 12 godina

Hear Ye, Hear Ye.....the fake expert has spoken.

(Roger7, 11 June 2011 15:50)

To tell the truth, I did peek inside of the book he mentioned. It is among better books about the region but of course the author remains an outsider. Still, not bad.

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Roger7

pre 12 godina

roberto said "one day, marty will be brought down for all of his lies. but yes, the belgrade regime has succeeded in diverting attention, exactly as the liars here are able to distract attention from the tuth --temporarily."

Hear Ye, Hear Ye.....the fake expert has spoken.

Those of us who have a difference of opinion from our fake expert, bob-oh from frisco, (who has no first hand knowledge himself)are LIARS. What a load of foul Dung.

Dung!

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Ataman

pre 12 godina

Albanians from the caucauses
(New Zealander, 11 June 2011 00:25)

Albanians DID NOT arrive from Caucasus in masse.
Their presence is well-documented by Romans.

During the time Kosovo was Moesia Roman province the Romans had to keep one legion in the valleys ( = Kosovo i Metohija) to keep the unruly "barbarians" at bay who lived in the mountains and pillaged the area.

These were some Thracian tribes, with only little connection to Illyrians.

Compare: Illyrians were feared sea pirates... and they out of sudden forgot the sea navigation after Romans did withdrow?

Also: Muzaka family is well-known, their churches are in Kastoria - we are talking about 13th-14th Century. At that time Muzaka was already a mighty family, with very strong ties to Konstantinople. It is rather these mountaineers advancing in the history and now better organizing themself (churches appear, nobility appears, first writings - with Greek letters - appear, etc.) than a new ethnic element introduced to Balkans,

It is again to underscore: these tribes primarily lived in the mountains and NOT in valleys and till 12th-13th Century had absolutely no historic relevance except tying down one Roman legion to keep the area safe from raids.

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Engineer

pre 12 godina

I have as an international in Kosovo met several hundreds of different Mup, VS special unit etc in Kosovo only in 2010 and 2011. Actually most of them south of Ibar. Did you really think otherwise ??
(Staff, 11 June 2011 05:31)

Was it same international that gave you secret advance notice that Serbia would win in ICJ. Its so funny how Serbs move away from it just go read your comments from 1 year ago I am sure you would surprised.

As for MUP in Kosovo there could be some Serb that used to work for MUP or VS since they all were mobilized in Kosovo .

But now you are just observers in Kosovo no one cares and you need to sneak in to Kosovo when you can.

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roberto

pre 12 godina

--1. KLA like most any rebel organization had to secure funding for arms trading etc through "illegal channels". Serb forces and paramilitary had state funding.
2. Involvement in organized crime was and to some extent is more a norm than not for people in power in the balkans. Note indictments against the Milosevic family for involvement in the cigarette mafia--organized crime... (pss)--

Yes, we get it, the balkans is infested with corruption. flora brovina told us a long time ago: "we didn't need foreigners to tell us we had problems with corruption." kosova has problems with corruption, big time. but then again, serbia's been the powerhouse of corruption for many, many years. slobo and his pals stole millions from the people of yugoslavia, perhaps billions. how much of it has been "recovered"? how many of its war crimes or war criminals have ever been properly adjudicated? yes, some of the biggest fish of the genocide set have been sent to the hague, but only after tremendous outside pressure. but inside the country, it has been pulling teeth to get at any of the war criminals. they are still considered the "heroes" of the society.

one day, marty will be brought down for all of his lies. but yes, the belgrade regime has succeeded in diverting attention, exactly as the liars here are able to distract attention from the tuth -- temporarily.

excellent new (for me) reading selection: "With their backs to the world: portraits from serbia." check it out.

roberto frisco

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Shkodra

pre 12 godina

The serbs here hold mladic & co in their hearts yet they keep fantasising. I wouldnt except much from them but anywayz i am here to say that when DICK Marty gets proven wrong and not a shred of evidence is found u serbs will be the laughing stock of the world. Now the facts are Kosova is independent and will never have to do anything with you anymore , if anything Albania is more than willingly to have it under her umbrella. Now we dont really care that u lost a war there , what we care is that the justice is being done and thankfully we wont have to do anymore with ur kind. Good Luck and keep hoping on fiction stories while we live the reality.

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Staff

pre 12 godina

Why don't you come to Kosova and see for yourself if you can find a single VS soldier or Serb MUP police officer.
(Agim Kelmendi, 10 June 2011 19:25)

I have as an international in Kosovo met several hundreds of different Mup, VS special unit etc in Kosovo only in 2010 and 2011. Actually most of them south of Ibar. Did you really think otherwise ??

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Jovan

pre 12 godina

theo k wrote: "The stones in these " early Serbian Orthodox churches" have inscriptions in Albanian. Historians have concluded that these churches were originally Albanian Catholic,"

well my dear k-albanian friend, if these early serbian orthodox churches are originally albanian catholic churches, ...why are you burning them then? why are you urinating inside these "albanian catholic churches"?

where is that culture of yours, that you are dating back to the 2nd century? where are those stones with albanian inscriptions? please show us some of those stones!

in the late 80ies of the last century, some archeologists from the university of Chicago came to KiM and were searching for albanian traces and they couldn´t find any. there are no monuments, no inscriptions, no indication whatsoever that the Albanians have ever had anything to do with a) KiM as a territory and b) with the ancient illyrians.

what you are referring to, is a quite haevily outdated theory founded by writers and poets of the socalled era of german romance " deutsche romantik " and has no scientific background at all. and therefore, I would love to know which "historians" you are referring to that are "concluding" serbian churches to be "originally albanian". this is almost like fascism what you are doing. trying to falsify history in order to reach a political goal. and since there even are some Albanians proud of their connection to the WWII-Nazis, like this stupid Albanian who opened a "Hitler-cafe" in southern Mitrovica.
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=703


seems like albanian wishful thinking and phantasy are merging to something like a psychosis.

but it would indeed explain how you Albanians are constantly referring to something that no serious historian today would claim, ...and that you constantly ignore every fact that proves that you are clinging to a phantasy that suits your psyche so well, that you are obsessed with it.

please, Theo K., I have already called upon you to write some comments with more substance, not that kind of rubbish that can be read in the cheap yellow press down there in occupied downtown-Pristina.

toponyms, monuments, sacral buildings, all of it points in one direction, and it´s not the albanian one.

the names you have mentioned, do have an illyrian background, but that has nothing to do with todays Albanians. you simply are not the descendants of the illyrians, no matter how hard you would love to be it.

just one example for you, my dear k-albanian friend. the word or syllable kar or ker, means rock, stone and is of illyrian origin. now, thats the reason why the carpathian mountains are named carpathians. according to your weird logic, the Romanians would be descendants of the illyrians too, or others who live in the carpathians...

so, the illyrian traces in some toponyms are not connected in any way with todays Albanians.

thank god, the Romanians and others up there DO have an own history and do not feel the need to usurp foreign culture and history in order to create some suitable advantage for themselves. because that´s what all those Albanians who claim the illyrian descent are, simple usurpators. nothing more.

and that´s really a shame for you.

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Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

Dorondosour

I like how your pie chart shows the Illyrians as a separate entity than Albanians.
(Another Canadian Serb, 10 June 2011 18:52)

LOL!! Remember, this was Hoxha's manufactured identity to give these people a sense of history worth reading about. Nice to see his experiments in collective brainwashing is still alive and actively believed :D

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New Zealander

pre 12 godina

1. Many early Serb churches in Kosova/o do not have the alter facing West, according to Orthodox tradition the alter must face West so as to have the parishioners facing East. The stones in these " early Serbian Orthodox churches" have inscriptions in Albanian. Historians have concluded that these churches were originally Albanian Catholic, their alters do not have to face West. Also, Albanians adopted Christianity in the 2nd Century A.D., long before the Serbs came to the Balkans. The Serbs were still Pagans when they invaded Illyrian/Albanian lands.

2. Many rivers in Kosova/o and Albania have Illyrian names, e.g. Drina, Vjosa, Shkembini, Mati, etc. Furthermore, Dardania is the original Illyrian name for Kosova/o. Names of cities (Peja, Gjakova, Ferazaj, Bujanoci) and mountains (Shar, Pastrik, Dajti) are Albanian.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

My Dead boy tell me; why is there not a single peice of evidence that Albanians arrived in the Balkans until the 10th Century? When you say 'historians examined these' you meant 'Albanian historians examined these' and came to that conclusion. However its fleetingly obvious that theSerbs were there first (thats not to say you cant live there) The Illyrians you speak of were assimilated by the various Balkan invaders (Serbs/Croats from Poland, Bulgarians from the Russian/Ukranian steppes, Albanians from the caucauses, Most Balkan peoples have some Illyrian blood in them, however its perfectly clear none of them are the direct decendents,

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Ataman

pre 12 godina

He even forgot to comment your 2nd link as this represent not only the language but also their roots ... far away after the Romanian Carpats, somewhere from the mighty steps of Russia.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 10 June 2011 20:56)

Did not know that Elbe / Oder or "Лаба, Одра" as it is on the second link belong to "mighty steps of Russia".
You shouldn't be pro-Russian more than anyone else or more catholic than Pope.

Look at the map better.

The map itself does not support your claim. It clearly shows the Russian Steppes and Ural belonging to different Finnic/Ugric/Turkic tribes. Slavs being between Danube and the Baltic. That corresponds with the known origin of Serbs or Sorbs, currently on the German/Polish border around Bautzen. The Slavs there are even call themself "Serbs" today. Croatians originated somewhat east of that, from the Krakow area.

At least that is what it can be traced back to the time these maps are showing. What was before is a different story - Slavs lived apparently even in Anatolia, see Hittites. And Ugric tribes in Caucaus, too.

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1. Many early Serb churches in Kosova/o do not have the alter facing West, according to Orthodox tradition the alter must face West so as to have the parishioners facing East. The stones in these " early Serbian Orthodox churches" have inscriptions in Albanian. Historians have concluded that these churches were originally Albanian Catholic, their alters do not have to face West.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

For each church like you mentioned - if I verify it in person I pay a six-pack of California Ruby Cabernet. Deal?
I don't know any and I did see a few but I am open. I will also post pictures of what you are saying, Albanian writing included. (AFAIK, Albanians did not have their own writing, they used Greek, Latin, later Arabic in the religious buildings). If you know what you claim, that it is for sure a major sensation.

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Also, Albanians adopted Christianity in the 2nd Century A.D
Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

Yeah, before Constantine, the Great (272 - 337), before Syrians, before Armenians, before Georgians? Wow.

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The Serbs were still Pagans when they invaded Illyrian/Albanian lands.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

Except that Albanians are rather Thracians and not Illyrians.

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2. Many rivers in Kosova/o and Albania have Illyrian names, e.g. Drina, Vjosa, Shkembini, Mati, etc.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

Drina was "Dreinos" in ancient Greek and "Drinus" in Latin.

Vjosë: see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vjosë

For starters: "In Greek Mythology, Aous is an epithet or name of Adonis"

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Furthermore, Dardania is the original Illyrian name for Kosova/o.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

There is no connection between Albanians and Dardanians proven. Why do you forget to mention, the language of Hittites was decyphered by Polish researcher based on his mother tongue? At least that is a proven fact.

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Names of cities (Peja, Gjakova, Ferazaj, Bujanoci) and mountains (Shar, Pastrik, Dajti) are Albanian.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

for instance, Peć, Пећ is like "печь" and that means "furnace", "oven", "stove" in Russian.

Gjakova sounds like "διάκος" (see Hungarian diák, Serbian "ђaк" = pupil) and the word "ђaкон" also in English "deacon".... sounds like reference to a deacon's property ("Djakovo" = "place belonging to a deacon")

Ferizaj is Ferizovo in Bulgarian. According Wiki:

"Its Turkish name derives from a pre-1873 hotel owned by a local Kosovo Albanian named Feriz Shashivari"
This is indeed, Albanian but from 19th Century, when it was a tiny village dominated by the hotel.
But I tell you a secret: for me "Feriz Shashivari" sounds more like a name of a Georgian converted to islam. Tsk, tsk.

I hope you won't claim that "Medvedja" has anything to do with Illyrians ;-)
But I did not found any reference to "Bujanovac". Except that "буянство" means to be unruly... but not in Albanian.
Nomen est omen?

I think we are done. Next please... :-P

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Theo K.

pre 12 godina

Another Canadian Serb wrote the following:

"Albanians are so quick to steal their identity from Serbian Churches. Their isn't a single Albanian word on the geographic topography of Kosovo."

My dear boy,

Allow me to edify you concerning your two assertions above.

1. Many early Serb churches in Kosova/o do not have the alter facing West, according to Orthodox tradition the alter must face West so as to have the parishioners facing East. The stones in these " early Serbian Orthodox churches" have inscriptions in Albanian. Historians have concluded that these churches were originally Albanian Catholic, their alters do not have to face West. Also, Albanians adopted Christianity in the 2nd Century A.D., long before the Serbs came to the Balkans. The Serbs were still Pagans when they invaded Illyrian/Albanian lands.

2. Many rivers in Kosova/o and Albania have Illyrian names, e.g. Drina, Vjosa, Shkembini, Mati, etc. Furthermore, Dardania is the original Illyrian name for Kosova/o. Names of cities (Peja, Gjakova, Ferazaj, Bujanoci) and mountains (Shar, Pastrik, Dajti) are Albanian.

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Milan

pre 12 godina

Karanovic,

NATO and the European (mainly Albanian/KLA) drug maffia are making lots of money and destroying many lives of young people while the Afghan farmers have little choice but to grow poppy and get scooped by low prices and the risks of being thrown into jail. If the international occopation forces in Afghanistan really had the best at heart for the regular Afghan people they would allow them to grow lots of poppy and sell it for a good price to Western pharmaceutical companies that would turn it into medical morphin, of which there is a huge shortage. Serbia knew how the Albanian maffia worked and was not afraid to confront it and take some action.

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lids

pre 12 godina

What-no rection from prishtina..
And who is Thaci gonna sue now...too bad that albanian kids will continue with bad tradition of burning cars and throwing stones at eurocrats..but here they come to see the monsters behind the bars..

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JohnC.

pre 12 godina

Oh yeah, after 6 months appointment of people started. Maybe it will take another 6 months that they buy the tickets to Prishtina. Don't rush...

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FREEDOM

pre 12 godina

Dorondosour

Very nice pie, it is something where the Serbs (Slavs) are very jealous of.

You see the comment ACS (Another Canadian Serb), this is a nice proof.

He even forgot to comment your 2nd link as this represent not only the language but also their roots ... far away after the Romanian Carpats, somewhere from the mighty steps of Russia.

Tung

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JohnBoy

pre 12 godina

The eu can investigate all it likes but they have no credibility in this matter. Their report will be denied at the UN. The eu is nothing but a bunch of anti-Serb racists which is why tadic will fail to get Serbia into the eu and will be chased from office next year.

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Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

It will be good though, to rid the province of this criminal and terrorist network.
(Zoran, 10 June 2011 17:49)

Why don't you come to Kosova and see for yourself if you can find a single VS soldier or Serb MUP police officer.

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delon

pre 12 godina

this is a very good news,that finaly these acusations are investigated.
dick marty should be olso in this body of investigators,and if he refusses,wich is most likely,he must be forced to participate.you cant just acuse and stay in the corner laughing

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Karanovic

pre 12 godina

A bit off topic, but as long as the Americans are in Afghanistan they should be burning down those vast poppy fields that produce heroin and other dangerous opiates that the Albanian criminals traffic from Turkey to Western Europe, thereby cutting off a huge amount of the funds that the Albanian mafia (aka the "Kosovo Government") uses to survive. Of course, we all know that the Americans turn a blind eye towards their minions' "bad deeds" so they can continue to have an anti-Slavic partner in the Balkans. You are going down someday, Albanian criminals.

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Velja

pre 12 godina

@To Agim Kelmendi
Your nationalism has pulled the wool over your eyes. You are misinformed . Yesterday’s confession made by a former commander of KLA Nazim Blace confirmed once again that he had committed a lot of murders obeying orders issued by Thaci,the former leader of the notorious KLA The orders were stated to be conveyed by Thaci’s man Azim Sulja whose nick name is Big Uncle.
It is also notorious that Kosovo has been run by criminals and mafia since Nato’s bombing. Though lots of money has been pumped into Kosovo’s economy, it appears that its flow terminated into Thaci and his cronies’ pockets. But they have insatiable appetite for money and they have opted for most desgusting way of acquiring it. It is such a revolting crime that it makes people sick when they hear or read it,so I will not repeat it this time. In order to dispel and refute the accusation,he often releases statements in media ,so poisoning the minds of his citizens.He will never make confessions for his crimes,he will go on exerting his power by means of his criminal environment to eliminate potential witnesses the same way Ramush Haradinaj did. His criminal activities were known long ago but the investigations of the crimes were hampered, his international sponsors deflected accusations. You live in the Never-neverland with breakdown of law and order, run by criminals and mafia. They have no respect for humanity.. They act as if they had never heard of God’s Commandments. They act as if they were Satan’s Disciples.

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Zoran

pre 12 godina

EU's investigators will have to probe a number of accusations from the report, among them that Thaci is "the boss of a mafia engaged in arms and drugs trafficking and illegal trade in human organs".
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My questions is, when they bring Tachi down, will this put his mafia gang in direct confrontation with his masters? I don't think the mafia will go down without resistance. It will be good though, to rid the province of this criminal and terrorist network.

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Dorondosour

pre 12 godina

An eye for an eye, eh Dorondosour?
(Another Canadian Serb, 10 June 2011 12:19)

How about a fact for a fact?
My great language; http://www.bio.unc.edu/faculty/hurlbert/lab/images/indoeuro_fan.jpg

And your great expansionist language
http://www.russia-talk.com/history/slavs-VIII.jpg

"An Albanian muslim nation doesn't belong in Europe." lol
Arbresh, Albanian, Arvanite, Arnaut, different religions same class ;)
Dont be jealous and ignorant in one sentence.

As for the Croat-connection, go play your retarded hate game with your other thugs, we do not want any part in it.

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stari

pre 12 godina

"Shortly after the decision was taken in Brussels to investigate ex-KLA leadership, including current Kosovo PM Hashim Thaci, two EULEX cars were blown up in Priština..."

if the snake is innocent, why not welcome the investigation albos?

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Top

pre 12 godina

"Finally they start (hopefully) this unproven accusation. "
(FREEDOM, 10 June 2011 12:24)

An accusation is always unproven. But it's the base on which judical bodies start to seriously investigate. Or in case of Kosovo, they simply don't do it, or don't it professionally, because there is no independent, unbiased and working legal system, and the police is infiltrated with former war criminals which don't have the will, professionalsm and guts to investigate against some of their former KLA mates. The good thing is that EULEX is there, though the criminal gangs in Pristina don't like that and vandalize EULEX vehicles.

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Bilbao

pre 12 godina

How is it possible Serbia wants to join EU but does not trust EU. If you want to be a member of a community that you do not trust then you have some bigger problems.

It does not fair well with Serbia this accusations to be investigated its much better for them to have this as a tool of complaint.

If you say you are a European country then let the Europeans do the job no one is more qualified, You think some African or Asian country has better experts to do that?

So as soon this is closed the better for both parties, I have been many times in kosovo and there is on truth about htat place they never want to do anything with Serbia.

2. North is not spiting since Trepca is there and US/EU have invested too much to let it go in hands of Russians , Greeks like in 1995.

This is money and its been for a long time.

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Another Canadian Ser

pre 12 godina

FREEDOM

It is freedom you wish, why not just leave Serbia. It is very apparent that you are an unhappy Albanian probably living the good life in Belgrade, Serbia.

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Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

Special prosecutor along with several investigators will find the truth about Marty's lies, and than Marty's immunity will be revoked so that he could be prosecuted for spreading dirty lies.

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FREEDOM

pre 12 godina

Finally they start (hopefully) this unproven accusation.

Serbs like only to use this accusation to ease up their own mind because of the criminal behaviour during the last Balkan war.

Tung

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Another Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

Dorondosour

Yes you are right when you state that Albanians stole their language from Bulgarians, Greeks and Slavs. An Albanian muslim nation doesn't belong in Europe.

Albanians are so quick to steal their identity from Serbian Churches. Their isn't a single Albanian word on the geographic topography of Kosovo.

You Albanians even Albanize the word Kosovo by spelling it Kosova.

As for the spoon thing, well you would have to ask why Croations were so into popping out eyeballs of living Serbs in World War II.

That is why Seselj today uses his expresssion of a "rusty spoon".

An eye for an eye, eh Dorondosour?

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Dorondosour

pre 12 godina

"and their little nation building project out of Serbian holy land.
(progresso, 10 June 2011 10:24)"

Are you still hiding behind Milosevic ideals?

Especially when you borrow all else like language religion genetics, you borrow land too. And maybe a spoon ;)

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pss

pre 12 godina

Is tere anyone out there that still thinks that the KLA and its leadership didn't commit these hideous crimes. They really are not war crimes, because these monstrous acts are business as usual for the Albanian mafia, which also led the KLA. As for the EU heading the investigations into these unspeakable crimes, I have my reservations about that. I believe they are biased, and may not be totally honest in prosecuting Albanian criminals, because it will make the EU/US look bad, being that they are supporters and backers of this criminal element in Kosovo, and their little nation building project out of Serbian holy land.
(progresso, 10 June 2011 10:24)
If you are speaking of organ trafficking, I think your answer is a resounding yes. I think most of the competent thinking world outside of Serbian loyalists know that an extensive operation under the conditions of the time is almost an impossibility. This is further reinforced by Marty's refusal to cooperate. All anyone is asking is a smither of evidence. If he cooperates with this team, then it may suggest that there is some involvement of leaders in Kosovo in organized crime. But a refusal will doom the matter to be an Urban Legend that Serbs can pass down to their kids to perpetuate the hate and mistrust of Albanians, nothing more.
Even Marty has hinted that such an operation was in dozens and not the hundreds of incidents, Serbia claims.
Now if you are talking about involvement in organized crime, I think most people think it is credible for 2 big reasons.
1. KLA like most any rebel organization had to secure funding for arms trading etc through "illegal channels". Serb forces and paramilitary had state funding.
2. Involvement in organized crime was and to some extent is more a norm than not for people in power in the balkans. Note indictments against the Milosevic family for involvement in the cigarette mafia--organized crime.

But if current links to organized crime cannot be established to leaders of Kosovo or the KLA, any chance of "proving" past relationships are nil.

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progresso

pre 12 godina

Is tere anyone out there that still thinks that the KLA and its leadership didn't commit these hideous crimes. They really are not war crimes, because these monstrous acts are business as usual for the Albanian mafia, which also led the KLA. As for the EU heading the investigations into these unspeakable crimes, I have my reservations about that. I believe they are biased, and may not be totally honest in prosecuting Albanian criminals, because it will make the EU/US look bad, being that they are supporters and backers of this criminal element in Kosovo, and their little nation building project out of Serbian holy land.

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progresso

pre 12 godina

Is tere anyone out there that still thinks that the KLA and its leadership didn't commit these hideous crimes. They really are not war crimes, because these monstrous acts are business as usual for the Albanian mafia, which also led the KLA. As for the EU heading the investigations into these unspeakable crimes, I have my reservations about that. I believe they are biased, and may not be totally honest in prosecuting Albanian criminals, because it will make the EU/US look bad, being that they are supporters and backers of this criminal element in Kosovo, and their little nation building project out of Serbian holy land.

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Another Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

Dorondosour

Yes you are right when you state that Albanians stole their language from Bulgarians, Greeks and Slavs. An Albanian muslim nation doesn't belong in Europe.

Albanians are so quick to steal their identity from Serbian Churches. Their isn't a single Albanian word on the geographic topography of Kosovo.

You Albanians even Albanize the word Kosovo by spelling it Kosova.

As for the spoon thing, well you would have to ask why Croations were so into popping out eyeballs of living Serbs in World War II.

That is why Seselj today uses his expresssion of a "rusty spoon".

An eye for an eye, eh Dorondosour?

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Another Canadian Ser

pre 12 godina

FREEDOM

It is freedom you wish, why not just leave Serbia. It is very apparent that you are an unhappy Albanian probably living the good life in Belgrade, Serbia.

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Karanovic

pre 12 godina

A bit off topic, but as long as the Americans are in Afghanistan they should be burning down those vast poppy fields that produce heroin and other dangerous opiates that the Albanian criminals traffic from Turkey to Western Europe, thereby cutting off a huge amount of the funds that the Albanian mafia (aka the "Kosovo Government") uses to survive. Of course, we all know that the Americans turn a blind eye towards their minions' "bad deeds" so they can continue to have an anti-Slavic partner in the Balkans. You are going down someday, Albanian criminals.

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lids

pre 12 godina

What-no rection from prishtina..
And who is Thaci gonna sue now...too bad that albanian kids will continue with bad tradition of burning cars and throwing stones at eurocrats..but here they come to see the monsters behind the bars..

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Milan

pre 12 godina

Karanovic,

NATO and the European (mainly Albanian/KLA) drug maffia are making lots of money and destroying many lives of young people while the Afghan farmers have little choice but to grow poppy and get scooped by low prices and the risks of being thrown into jail. If the international occopation forces in Afghanistan really had the best at heart for the regular Afghan people they would allow them to grow lots of poppy and sell it for a good price to Western pharmaceutical companies that would turn it into medical morphin, of which there is a huge shortage. Serbia knew how the Albanian maffia worked and was not afraid to confront it and take some action.

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Top

pre 12 godina

"Finally they start (hopefully) this unproven accusation. "
(FREEDOM, 10 June 2011 12:24)

An accusation is always unproven. But it's the base on which judical bodies start to seriously investigate. Or in case of Kosovo, they simply don't do it, or don't it professionally, because there is no independent, unbiased and working legal system, and the police is infiltrated with former war criminals which don't have the will, professionalsm and guts to investigate against some of their former KLA mates. The good thing is that EULEX is there, though the criminal gangs in Pristina don't like that and vandalize EULEX vehicles.

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Ataman

pre 12 godina

He even forgot to comment your 2nd link as this represent not only the language but also their roots ... far away after the Romanian Carpats, somewhere from the mighty steps of Russia.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 10 June 2011 20:56)

Did not know that Elbe / Oder or "Лаба, Одра" as it is on the second link belong to "mighty steps of Russia".
You shouldn't be pro-Russian more than anyone else or more catholic than Pope.

Look at the map better.

The map itself does not support your claim. It clearly shows the Russian Steppes and Ural belonging to different Finnic/Ugric/Turkic tribes. Slavs being between Danube and the Baltic. That corresponds with the known origin of Serbs or Sorbs, currently on the German/Polish border around Bautzen. The Slavs there are even call themself "Serbs" today. Croatians originated somewhat east of that, from the Krakow area.

At least that is what it can be traced back to the time these maps are showing. What was before is a different story - Slavs lived apparently even in Anatolia, see Hittites. And Ugric tribes in Caucaus, too.

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1. Many early Serb churches in Kosova/o do not have the alter facing West, according to Orthodox tradition the alter must face West so as to have the parishioners facing East. The stones in these " early Serbian Orthodox churches" have inscriptions in Albanian. Historians have concluded that these churches were originally Albanian Catholic, their alters do not have to face West.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

For each church like you mentioned - if I verify it in person I pay a six-pack of California Ruby Cabernet. Deal?
I don't know any and I did see a few but I am open. I will also post pictures of what you are saying, Albanian writing included. (AFAIK, Albanians did not have their own writing, they used Greek, Latin, later Arabic in the religious buildings). If you know what you claim, that it is for sure a major sensation.

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Also, Albanians adopted Christianity in the 2nd Century A.D
Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

Yeah, before Constantine, the Great (272 - 337), before Syrians, before Armenians, before Georgians? Wow.

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The Serbs were still Pagans when they invaded Illyrian/Albanian lands.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

Except that Albanians are rather Thracians and not Illyrians.

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2. Many rivers in Kosova/o and Albania have Illyrian names, e.g. Drina, Vjosa, Shkembini, Mati, etc.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

Drina was "Dreinos" in ancient Greek and "Drinus" in Latin.

Vjosë: see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vjosë

For starters: "In Greek Mythology, Aous is an epithet or name of Adonis"

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Furthermore, Dardania is the original Illyrian name for Kosova/o.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

There is no connection between Albanians and Dardanians proven. Why do you forget to mention, the language of Hittites was decyphered by Polish researcher based on his mother tongue? At least that is a proven fact.

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Names of cities (Peja, Gjakova, Ferazaj, Bujanoci) and mountains (Shar, Pastrik, Dajti) are Albanian.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

for instance, Peć, Пећ is like "печь" and that means "furnace", "oven", "stove" in Russian.

Gjakova sounds like "διάκος" (see Hungarian diák, Serbian "ђaк" = pupil) and the word "ђaкон" also in English "deacon".... sounds like reference to a deacon's property ("Djakovo" = "place belonging to a deacon")

Ferizaj is Ferizovo in Bulgarian. According Wiki:

"Its Turkish name derives from a pre-1873 hotel owned by a local Kosovo Albanian named Feriz Shashivari"
This is indeed, Albanian but from 19th Century, when it was a tiny village dominated by the hotel.
But I tell you a secret: for me "Feriz Shashivari" sounds more like a name of a Georgian converted to islam. Tsk, tsk.

I hope you won't claim that "Medvedja" has anything to do with Illyrians ;-)
But I did not found any reference to "Bujanovac". Except that "буянство" means to be unruly... but not in Albanian.
Nomen est omen?

I think we are done. Next please... :-P

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stari

pre 12 godina

"Shortly after the decision was taken in Brussels to investigate ex-KLA leadership, including current Kosovo PM Hashim Thaci, two EULEX cars were blown up in Priština..."

if the snake is innocent, why not welcome the investigation albos?

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Dorondosour

pre 12 godina

"and their little nation building project out of Serbian holy land.
(progresso, 10 June 2011 10:24)"

Are you still hiding behind Milosevic ideals?

Especially when you borrow all else like language religion genetics, you borrow land too. And maybe a spoon ;)

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Zoran

pre 12 godina

EU's investigators will have to probe a number of accusations from the report, among them that Thaci is "the boss of a mafia engaged in arms and drugs trafficking and illegal trade in human organs".
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My questions is, when they bring Tachi down, will this put his mafia gang in direct confrontation with his masters? I don't think the mafia will go down without resistance. It will be good though, to rid the province of this criminal and terrorist network.

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Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

Special prosecutor along with several investigators will find the truth about Marty's lies, and than Marty's immunity will be revoked so that he could be prosecuted for spreading dirty lies.

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Velja

pre 12 godina

@To Agim Kelmendi
Your nationalism has pulled the wool over your eyes. You are misinformed . Yesterday’s confession made by a former commander of KLA Nazim Blace confirmed once again that he had committed a lot of murders obeying orders issued by Thaci,the former leader of the notorious KLA The orders were stated to be conveyed by Thaci’s man Azim Sulja whose nick name is Big Uncle.
It is also notorious that Kosovo has been run by criminals and mafia since Nato’s bombing. Though lots of money has been pumped into Kosovo’s economy, it appears that its flow terminated into Thaci and his cronies’ pockets. But they have insatiable appetite for money and they have opted for most desgusting way of acquiring it. It is such a revolting crime that it makes people sick when they hear or read it,so I will not repeat it this time. In order to dispel and refute the accusation,he often releases statements in media ,so poisoning the minds of his citizens.He will never make confessions for his crimes,he will go on exerting his power by means of his criminal environment to eliminate potential witnesses the same way Ramush Haradinaj did. His criminal activities were known long ago but the investigations of the crimes were hampered, his international sponsors deflected accusations. You live in the Never-neverland with breakdown of law and order, run by criminals and mafia. They have no respect for humanity.. They act as if they had never heard of God’s Commandments. They act as if they were Satan’s Disciples.

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Staff

pre 12 godina

Why don't you come to Kosova and see for yourself if you can find a single VS soldier or Serb MUP police officer.
(Agim Kelmendi, 10 June 2011 19:25)

I have as an international in Kosovo met several hundreds of different Mup, VS special unit etc in Kosovo only in 2010 and 2011. Actually most of them south of Ibar. Did you really think otherwise ??

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Roger7

pre 12 godina

roberto said "one day, marty will be brought down for all of his lies. but yes, the belgrade regime has succeeded in diverting attention, exactly as the liars here are able to distract attention from the tuth --temporarily."

Hear Ye, Hear Ye.....the fake expert has spoken.

Those of us who have a difference of opinion from our fake expert, bob-oh from frisco, (who has no first hand knowledge himself)are LIARS. What a load of foul Dung.

Dung!

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pss

pre 12 godina

Is tere anyone out there that still thinks that the KLA and its leadership didn't commit these hideous crimes. They really are not war crimes, because these monstrous acts are business as usual for the Albanian mafia, which also led the KLA. As for the EU heading the investigations into these unspeakable crimes, I have my reservations about that. I believe they are biased, and may not be totally honest in prosecuting Albanian criminals, because it will make the EU/US look bad, being that they are supporters and backers of this criminal element in Kosovo, and their little nation building project out of Serbian holy land.
(progresso, 10 June 2011 10:24)
If you are speaking of organ trafficking, I think your answer is a resounding yes. I think most of the competent thinking world outside of Serbian loyalists know that an extensive operation under the conditions of the time is almost an impossibility. This is further reinforced by Marty's refusal to cooperate. All anyone is asking is a smither of evidence. If he cooperates with this team, then it may suggest that there is some involvement of leaders in Kosovo in organized crime. But a refusal will doom the matter to be an Urban Legend that Serbs can pass down to their kids to perpetuate the hate and mistrust of Albanians, nothing more.
Even Marty has hinted that such an operation was in dozens and not the hundreds of incidents, Serbia claims.
Now if you are talking about involvement in organized crime, I think most people think it is credible for 2 big reasons.
1. KLA like most any rebel organization had to secure funding for arms trading etc through "illegal channels". Serb forces and paramilitary had state funding.
2. Involvement in organized crime was and to some extent is more a norm than not for people in power in the balkans. Note indictments against the Milosevic family for involvement in the cigarette mafia--organized crime.

But if current links to organized crime cannot be established to leaders of Kosovo or the KLA, any chance of "proving" past relationships are nil.

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Jovan

pre 12 godina

theo k wrote: "The stones in these " early Serbian Orthodox churches" have inscriptions in Albanian. Historians have concluded that these churches were originally Albanian Catholic,"

well my dear k-albanian friend, if these early serbian orthodox churches are originally albanian catholic churches, ...why are you burning them then? why are you urinating inside these "albanian catholic churches"?

where is that culture of yours, that you are dating back to the 2nd century? where are those stones with albanian inscriptions? please show us some of those stones!

in the late 80ies of the last century, some archeologists from the university of Chicago came to KiM and were searching for albanian traces and they couldn´t find any. there are no monuments, no inscriptions, no indication whatsoever that the Albanians have ever had anything to do with a) KiM as a territory and b) with the ancient illyrians.

what you are referring to, is a quite haevily outdated theory founded by writers and poets of the socalled era of german romance " deutsche romantik " and has no scientific background at all. and therefore, I would love to know which "historians" you are referring to that are "concluding" serbian churches to be "originally albanian". this is almost like fascism what you are doing. trying to falsify history in order to reach a political goal. and since there even are some Albanians proud of their connection to the WWII-Nazis, like this stupid Albanian who opened a "Hitler-cafe" in southern Mitrovica.
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=703


seems like albanian wishful thinking and phantasy are merging to something like a psychosis.

but it would indeed explain how you Albanians are constantly referring to something that no serious historian today would claim, ...and that you constantly ignore every fact that proves that you are clinging to a phantasy that suits your psyche so well, that you are obsessed with it.

please, Theo K., I have already called upon you to write some comments with more substance, not that kind of rubbish that can be read in the cheap yellow press down there in occupied downtown-Pristina.

toponyms, monuments, sacral buildings, all of it points in one direction, and it´s not the albanian one.

the names you have mentioned, do have an illyrian background, but that has nothing to do with todays Albanians. you simply are not the descendants of the illyrians, no matter how hard you would love to be it.

just one example for you, my dear k-albanian friend. the word or syllable kar or ker, means rock, stone and is of illyrian origin. now, thats the reason why the carpathian mountains are named carpathians. according to your weird logic, the Romanians would be descendants of the illyrians too, or others who live in the carpathians...

so, the illyrian traces in some toponyms are not connected in any way with todays Albanians.

thank god, the Romanians and others up there DO have an own history and do not feel the need to usurp foreign culture and history in order to create some suitable advantage for themselves. because that´s what all those Albanians who claim the illyrian descent are, simple usurpators. nothing more.

and that´s really a shame for you.

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FREEDOM

pre 12 godina

Finally they start (hopefully) this unproven accusation.

Serbs like only to use this accusation to ease up their own mind because of the criminal behaviour during the last Balkan war.

Tung

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JohnBoy

pre 12 godina

The eu can investigate all it likes but they have no credibility in this matter. Their report will be denied at the UN. The eu is nothing but a bunch of anti-Serb racists which is why tadic will fail to get Serbia into the eu and will be chased from office next year.

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Theo K.

pre 12 godina

Another Canadian Serb wrote the following:

"Albanians are so quick to steal their identity from Serbian Churches. Their isn't a single Albanian word on the geographic topography of Kosovo."

My dear boy,

Allow me to edify you concerning your two assertions above.

1. Many early Serb churches in Kosova/o do not have the alter facing West, according to Orthodox tradition the alter must face West so as to have the parishioners facing East. The stones in these " early Serbian Orthodox churches" have inscriptions in Albanian. Historians have concluded that these churches were originally Albanian Catholic, their alters do not have to face West. Also, Albanians adopted Christianity in the 2nd Century A.D., long before the Serbs came to the Balkans. The Serbs were still Pagans when they invaded Illyrian/Albanian lands.

2. Many rivers in Kosova/o and Albania have Illyrian names, e.g. Drina, Vjosa, Shkembini, Mati, etc. Furthermore, Dardania is the original Illyrian name for Kosova/o. Names of cities (Peja, Gjakova, Ferazaj, Bujanoci) and mountains (Shar, Pastrik, Dajti) are Albanian.

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New Zealander

pre 12 godina

1. Many early Serb churches in Kosova/o do not have the alter facing West, according to Orthodox tradition the alter must face West so as to have the parishioners facing East. The stones in these " early Serbian Orthodox churches" have inscriptions in Albanian. Historians have concluded that these churches were originally Albanian Catholic, their alters do not have to face West. Also, Albanians adopted Christianity in the 2nd Century A.D., long before the Serbs came to the Balkans. The Serbs were still Pagans when they invaded Illyrian/Albanian lands.

2. Many rivers in Kosova/o and Albania have Illyrian names, e.g. Drina, Vjosa, Shkembini, Mati, etc. Furthermore, Dardania is the original Illyrian name for Kosova/o. Names of cities (Peja, Gjakova, Ferazaj, Bujanoci) and mountains (Shar, Pastrik, Dajti) are Albanian.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

My Dead boy tell me; why is there not a single peice of evidence that Albanians arrived in the Balkans until the 10th Century? When you say 'historians examined these' you meant 'Albanian historians examined these' and came to that conclusion. However its fleetingly obvious that theSerbs were there first (thats not to say you cant live there) The Illyrians you speak of were assimilated by the various Balkan invaders (Serbs/Croats from Poland, Bulgarians from the Russian/Ukranian steppes, Albanians from the caucauses, Most Balkan peoples have some Illyrian blood in them, however its perfectly clear none of them are the direct decendents,

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FREEDOM

pre 12 godina

Dorondosour

Very nice pie, it is something where the Serbs (Slavs) are very jealous of.

You see the comment ACS (Another Canadian Serb), this is a nice proof.

He even forgot to comment your 2nd link as this represent not only the language but also their roots ... far away after the Romanian Carpats, somewhere from the mighty steps of Russia.

Tung

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Jovan

pre 12 godina

@Ataman:

it´s funny though, ...only now I´ve discovered your very nicely written answer to " Theo K. ". really, it was fun reading it, since it is so clearly displaying the total lack of substance in regard to the comments or should I say claims of our dear k-albanian friends in here...

but, I must tell you, do not expect any answer from any of them! you know, I have witnessed it so many times before, and it is really always the same pattern:
first they claim something, with more or less "information" provided, and if you react, if you answer their rubbish, and show them that it is pure nonsense what they are writing, they simply stay quiet. like cowards.

and even this "Theo K." who is very likely no Theo, but rather an Agim or Bekim or whoever, is a non-starter actually. I personally asked him two times to bring up something with more substance, ...but nothing happened.

so, that´s the way our dear k-albanian friends are disqualifying themselves here, it´s just and simply the lack of any kind of knowledge or understanding. just negative attitudes, hatred and ignorance.

and they do not even realize that they are poisoning their very own souls...

once again, thanks for that nicely written contribution, it was really nice to read it.

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Dorondosour

pre 12 godina

An eye for an eye, eh Dorondosour?
(Another Canadian Serb, 10 June 2011 12:19)

How about a fact for a fact?
My great language; http://www.bio.unc.edu/faculty/hurlbert/lab/images/indoeuro_fan.jpg

And your great expansionist language
http://www.russia-talk.com/history/slavs-VIII.jpg

"An Albanian muslim nation doesn't belong in Europe." lol
Arbresh, Albanian, Arvanite, Arnaut, different religions same class ;)
Dont be jealous and ignorant in one sentence.

As for the Croat-connection, go play your retarded hate game with your other thugs, we do not want any part in it.

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Bilbao

pre 12 godina

How is it possible Serbia wants to join EU but does not trust EU. If you want to be a member of a community that you do not trust then you have some bigger problems.

It does not fair well with Serbia this accusations to be investigated its much better for them to have this as a tool of complaint.

If you say you are a European country then let the Europeans do the job no one is more qualified, You think some African or Asian country has better experts to do that?

So as soon this is closed the better for both parties, I have been many times in kosovo and there is on truth about htat place they never want to do anything with Serbia.

2. North is not spiting since Trepca is there and US/EU have invested too much to let it go in hands of Russians , Greeks like in 1995.

This is money and its been for a long time.

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delon

pre 12 godina

this is a very good news,that finaly these acusations are investigated.
dick marty should be olso in this body of investigators,and if he refusses,wich is most likely,he must be forced to participate.you cant just acuse and stay in the corner laughing

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Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

It will be good though, to rid the province of this criminal and terrorist network.
(Zoran, 10 June 2011 17:49)

Why don't you come to Kosova and see for yourself if you can find a single VS soldier or Serb MUP police officer.

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Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

Dorondosour

I like how your pie chart shows the Illyrians as a separate entity than Albanians.
(Another Canadian Serb, 10 June 2011 18:52)

LOL!! Remember, this was Hoxha's manufactured identity to give these people a sense of history worth reading about. Nice to see his experiments in collective brainwashing is still alive and actively believed :D

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Ataman

pre 12 godina

Albanians from the caucauses
(New Zealander, 11 June 2011 00:25)

Albanians DID NOT arrive from Caucasus in masse.
Their presence is well-documented by Romans.

During the time Kosovo was Moesia Roman province the Romans had to keep one legion in the valleys ( = Kosovo i Metohija) to keep the unruly "barbarians" at bay who lived in the mountains and pillaged the area.

These were some Thracian tribes, with only little connection to Illyrians.

Compare: Illyrians were feared sea pirates... and they out of sudden forgot the sea navigation after Romans did withdrow?

Also: Muzaka family is well-known, their churches are in Kastoria - we are talking about 13th-14th Century. At that time Muzaka was already a mighty family, with very strong ties to Konstantinople. It is rather these mountaineers advancing in the history and now better organizing themself (churches appear, nobility appears, first writings - with Greek letters - appear, etc.) than a new ethnic element introduced to Balkans,

It is again to underscore: these tribes primarily lived in the mountains and NOT in valleys and till 12th-13th Century had absolutely no historic relevance except tying down one Roman legion to keep the area safe from raids.

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JohnC.

pre 12 godina

Oh yeah, after 6 months appointment of people started. Maybe it will take another 6 months that they buy the tickets to Prishtina. Don't rush...

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Shkodra

pre 12 godina

The serbs here hold mladic & co in their hearts yet they keep fantasising. I wouldnt except much from them but anywayz i am here to say that when DICK Marty gets proven wrong and not a shred of evidence is found u serbs will be the laughing stock of the world. Now the facts are Kosova is independent and will never have to do anything with you anymore , if anything Albania is more than willingly to have it under her umbrella. Now we dont really care that u lost a war there , what we care is that the justice is being done and thankfully we wont have to do anymore with ur kind. Good Luck and keep hoping on fiction stories while we live the reality.

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Engineer

pre 12 godina

I have as an international in Kosovo met several hundreds of different Mup, VS special unit etc in Kosovo only in 2010 and 2011. Actually most of them south of Ibar. Did you really think otherwise ??
(Staff, 11 June 2011 05:31)

Was it same international that gave you secret advance notice that Serbia would win in ICJ. Its so funny how Serbs move away from it just go read your comments from 1 year ago I am sure you would surprised.

As for MUP in Kosovo there could be some Serb that used to work for MUP or VS since they all were mobilized in Kosovo .

But now you are just observers in Kosovo no one cares and you need to sneak in to Kosovo when you can.

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doodah

pre 12 godina

I have as an international in Kosovo met several hundreds of different Mup, VS special unit etc in Kosovo only in 2010 and 2011. Actually most of them south of Ibar. Did you really think otherwise ??
(Staff, 11 June 2011 05:31)
Are you giving us your "special" inside information that Serbia is violating 1244 and international law to a huge degree. I think we need a special investigator and sanctions based on your revelations. Of course we will keep quiet your track record on the other inside information you have previously revealed.

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roberto

pre 12 godina

--1. KLA like most any rebel organization had to secure funding for arms trading etc through "illegal channels". Serb forces and paramilitary had state funding.
2. Involvement in organized crime was and to some extent is more a norm than not for people in power in the balkans. Note indictments against the Milosevic family for involvement in the cigarette mafia--organized crime... (pss)--

Yes, we get it, the balkans is infested with corruption. flora brovina told us a long time ago: "we didn't need foreigners to tell us we had problems with corruption." kosova has problems with corruption, big time. but then again, serbia's been the powerhouse of corruption for many, many years. slobo and his pals stole millions from the people of yugoslavia, perhaps billions. how much of it has been "recovered"? how many of its war crimes or war criminals have ever been properly adjudicated? yes, some of the biggest fish of the genocide set have been sent to the hague, but only after tremendous outside pressure. but inside the country, it has been pulling teeth to get at any of the war criminals. they are still considered the "heroes" of the society.

one day, marty will be brought down for all of his lies. but yes, the belgrade regime has succeeded in diverting attention, exactly as the liars here are able to distract attention from the tuth -- temporarily.

excellent new (for me) reading selection: "With their backs to the world: portraits from serbia." check it out.

roberto frisco

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Ataman

pre 12 godina

Hear Ye, Hear Ye.....the fake expert has spoken.

(Roger7, 11 June 2011 15:50)

To tell the truth, I did peek inside of the book he mentioned. It is among better books about the region but of course the author remains an outsider. Still, not bad.

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FREEDOM

pre 12 godina

Finally they start (hopefully) this unproven accusation.

Serbs like only to use this accusation to ease up their own mind because of the criminal behaviour during the last Balkan war.

Tung

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Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

Special prosecutor along with several investigators will find the truth about Marty's lies, and than Marty's immunity will be revoked so that he could be prosecuted for spreading dirty lies.

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Dorondosour

pre 12 godina

"and their little nation building project out of Serbian holy land.
(progresso, 10 June 2011 10:24)"

Are you still hiding behind Milosevic ideals?

Especially when you borrow all else like language religion genetics, you borrow land too. And maybe a spoon ;)

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Theo K.

pre 12 godina

Another Canadian Serb wrote the following:

"Albanians are so quick to steal their identity from Serbian Churches. Their isn't a single Albanian word on the geographic topography of Kosovo."

My dear boy,

Allow me to edify you concerning your two assertions above.

1. Many early Serb churches in Kosova/o do not have the alter facing West, according to Orthodox tradition the alter must face West so as to have the parishioners facing East. The stones in these " early Serbian Orthodox churches" have inscriptions in Albanian. Historians have concluded that these churches were originally Albanian Catholic, their alters do not have to face West. Also, Albanians adopted Christianity in the 2nd Century A.D., long before the Serbs came to the Balkans. The Serbs were still Pagans when they invaded Illyrian/Albanian lands.

2. Many rivers in Kosova/o and Albania have Illyrian names, e.g. Drina, Vjosa, Shkembini, Mati, etc. Furthermore, Dardania is the original Illyrian name for Kosova/o. Names of cities (Peja, Gjakova, Ferazaj, Bujanoci) and mountains (Shar, Pastrik, Dajti) are Albanian.

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FREEDOM

pre 12 godina

Dorondosour

Very nice pie, it is something where the Serbs (Slavs) are very jealous of.

You see the comment ACS (Another Canadian Serb), this is a nice proof.

He even forgot to comment your 2nd link as this represent not only the language but also their roots ... far away after the Romanian Carpats, somewhere from the mighty steps of Russia.

Tung

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pss

pre 12 godina

Is tere anyone out there that still thinks that the KLA and its leadership didn't commit these hideous crimes. They really are not war crimes, because these monstrous acts are business as usual for the Albanian mafia, which also led the KLA. As for the EU heading the investigations into these unspeakable crimes, I have my reservations about that. I believe they are biased, and may not be totally honest in prosecuting Albanian criminals, because it will make the EU/US look bad, being that they are supporters and backers of this criminal element in Kosovo, and their little nation building project out of Serbian holy land.
(progresso, 10 June 2011 10:24)
If you are speaking of organ trafficking, I think your answer is a resounding yes. I think most of the competent thinking world outside of Serbian loyalists know that an extensive operation under the conditions of the time is almost an impossibility. This is further reinforced by Marty's refusal to cooperate. All anyone is asking is a smither of evidence. If he cooperates with this team, then it may suggest that there is some involvement of leaders in Kosovo in organized crime. But a refusal will doom the matter to be an Urban Legend that Serbs can pass down to their kids to perpetuate the hate and mistrust of Albanians, nothing more.
Even Marty has hinted that such an operation was in dozens and not the hundreds of incidents, Serbia claims.
Now if you are talking about involvement in organized crime, I think most people think it is credible for 2 big reasons.
1. KLA like most any rebel organization had to secure funding for arms trading etc through "illegal channels". Serb forces and paramilitary had state funding.
2. Involvement in organized crime was and to some extent is more a norm than not for people in power in the balkans. Note indictments against the Milosevic family for involvement in the cigarette mafia--organized crime.

But if current links to organized crime cannot be established to leaders of Kosovo or the KLA, any chance of "proving" past relationships are nil.

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Agim Kelmendi

pre 12 godina

It will be good though, to rid the province of this criminal and terrorist network.
(Zoran, 10 June 2011 17:49)

Why don't you come to Kosova and see for yourself if you can find a single VS soldier or Serb MUP police officer.

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Bilbao

pre 12 godina

How is it possible Serbia wants to join EU but does not trust EU. If you want to be a member of a community that you do not trust then you have some bigger problems.

It does not fair well with Serbia this accusations to be investigated its much better for them to have this as a tool of complaint.

If you say you are a European country then let the Europeans do the job no one is more qualified, You think some African or Asian country has better experts to do that?

So as soon this is closed the better for both parties, I have been many times in kosovo and there is on truth about htat place they never want to do anything with Serbia.

2. North is not spiting since Trepca is there and US/EU have invested too much to let it go in hands of Russians , Greeks like in 1995.

This is money and its been for a long time.

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progresso

pre 12 godina

Is tere anyone out there that still thinks that the KLA and its leadership didn't commit these hideous crimes. They really are not war crimes, because these monstrous acts are business as usual for the Albanian mafia, which also led the KLA. As for the EU heading the investigations into these unspeakable crimes, I have my reservations about that. I believe they are biased, and may not be totally honest in prosecuting Albanian criminals, because it will make the EU/US look bad, being that they are supporters and backers of this criminal element in Kosovo, and their little nation building project out of Serbian holy land.

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roberto

pre 12 godina

--1. KLA like most any rebel organization had to secure funding for arms trading etc through "illegal channels". Serb forces and paramilitary had state funding.
2. Involvement in organized crime was and to some extent is more a norm than not for people in power in the balkans. Note indictments against the Milosevic family for involvement in the cigarette mafia--organized crime... (pss)--

Yes, we get it, the balkans is infested with corruption. flora brovina told us a long time ago: "we didn't need foreigners to tell us we had problems with corruption." kosova has problems with corruption, big time. but then again, serbia's been the powerhouse of corruption for many, many years. slobo and his pals stole millions from the people of yugoslavia, perhaps billions. how much of it has been "recovered"? how many of its war crimes or war criminals have ever been properly adjudicated? yes, some of the biggest fish of the genocide set have been sent to the hague, but only after tremendous outside pressure. but inside the country, it has been pulling teeth to get at any of the war criminals. they are still considered the "heroes" of the society.

one day, marty will be brought down for all of his lies. but yes, the belgrade regime has succeeded in diverting attention, exactly as the liars here are able to distract attention from the tuth -- temporarily.

excellent new (for me) reading selection: "With their backs to the world: portraits from serbia." check it out.

roberto frisco

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Another Canadian Serb

pre 12 godina

Dorondosour

Yes you are right when you state that Albanians stole their language from Bulgarians, Greeks and Slavs. An Albanian muslim nation doesn't belong in Europe.

Albanians are so quick to steal their identity from Serbian Churches. Their isn't a single Albanian word on the geographic topography of Kosovo.

You Albanians even Albanize the word Kosovo by spelling it Kosova.

As for the spoon thing, well you would have to ask why Croations were so into popping out eyeballs of living Serbs in World War II.

That is why Seselj today uses his expresssion of a "rusty spoon".

An eye for an eye, eh Dorondosour?

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Dorondosour

pre 12 godina

An eye for an eye, eh Dorondosour?
(Another Canadian Serb, 10 June 2011 12:19)

How about a fact for a fact?
My great language; http://www.bio.unc.edu/faculty/hurlbert/lab/images/indoeuro_fan.jpg

And your great expansionist language
http://www.russia-talk.com/history/slavs-VIII.jpg

"An Albanian muslim nation doesn't belong in Europe." lol
Arbresh, Albanian, Arvanite, Arnaut, different religions same class ;)
Dont be jealous and ignorant in one sentence.

As for the Croat-connection, go play your retarded hate game with your other thugs, we do not want any part in it.

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Another Canadian Ser

pre 12 godina

FREEDOM

It is freedom you wish, why not just leave Serbia. It is very apparent that you are an unhappy Albanian probably living the good life in Belgrade, Serbia.

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delon

pre 12 godina

this is a very good news,that finaly these acusations are investigated.
dick marty should be olso in this body of investigators,and if he refusses,wich is most likely,he must be forced to participate.you cant just acuse and stay in the corner laughing

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Shkodra

pre 12 godina

The serbs here hold mladic & co in their hearts yet they keep fantasising. I wouldnt except much from them but anywayz i am here to say that when DICK Marty gets proven wrong and not a shred of evidence is found u serbs will be the laughing stock of the world. Now the facts are Kosova is independent and will never have to do anything with you anymore , if anything Albania is more than willingly to have it under her umbrella. Now we dont really care that u lost a war there , what we care is that the justice is being done and thankfully we wont have to do anymore with ur kind. Good Luck and keep hoping on fiction stories while we live the reality.

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Karanovic

pre 12 godina

A bit off topic, but as long as the Americans are in Afghanistan they should be burning down those vast poppy fields that produce heroin and other dangerous opiates that the Albanian criminals traffic from Turkey to Western Europe, thereby cutting off a huge amount of the funds that the Albanian mafia (aka the "Kosovo Government") uses to survive. Of course, we all know that the Americans turn a blind eye towards their minions' "bad deeds" so they can continue to have an anti-Slavic partner in the Balkans. You are going down someday, Albanian criminals.

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Engineer

pre 12 godina

I have as an international in Kosovo met several hundreds of different Mup, VS special unit etc in Kosovo only in 2010 and 2011. Actually most of them south of Ibar. Did you really think otherwise ??
(Staff, 11 June 2011 05:31)

Was it same international that gave you secret advance notice that Serbia would win in ICJ. Its so funny how Serbs move away from it just go read your comments from 1 year ago I am sure you would surprised.

As for MUP in Kosovo there could be some Serb that used to work for MUP or VS since they all were mobilized in Kosovo .

But now you are just observers in Kosovo no one cares and you need to sneak in to Kosovo when you can.

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JohnC.

pre 12 godina

Oh yeah, after 6 months appointment of people started. Maybe it will take another 6 months that they buy the tickets to Prishtina. Don't rush...

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stari

pre 12 godina

"Shortly after the decision was taken in Brussels to investigate ex-KLA leadership, including current Kosovo PM Hashim Thaci, two EULEX cars were blown up in Priština..."

if the snake is innocent, why not welcome the investigation albos?

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lids

pre 12 godina

What-no rection from prishtina..
And who is Thaci gonna sue now...too bad that albanian kids will continue with bad tradition of burning cars and throwing stones at eurocrats..but here they come to see the monsters behind the bars..

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Zoran

pre 12 godina

EU's investigators will have to probe a number of accusations from the report, among them that Thaci is "the boss of a mafia engaged in arms and drugs trafficking and illegal trade in human organs".
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My questions is, when they bring Tachi down, will this put his mafia gang in direct confrontation with his masters? I don't think the mafia will go down without resistance. It will be good though, to rid the province of this criminal and terrorist network.

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Top

pre 12 godina

"Finally they start (hopefully) this unproven accusation. "
(FREEDOM, 10 June 2011 12:24)

An accusation is always unproven. But it's the base on which judical bodies start to seriously investigate. Or in case of Kosovo, they simply don't do it, or don't it professionally, because there is no independent, unbiased and working legal system, and the police is infiltrated with former war criminals which don't have the will, professionalsm and guts to investigate against some of their former KLA mates. The good thing is that EULEX is there, though the criminal gangs in Pristina don't like that and vandalize EULEX vehicles.

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JohnBoy

pre 12 godina

The eu can investigate all it likes but they have no credibility in this matter. Their report will be denied at the UN. The eu is nothing but a bunch of anti-Serb racists which is why tadic will fail to get Serbia into the eu and will be chased from office next year.

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Milan

pre 12 godina

Karanovic,

NATO and the European (mainly Albanian/KLA) drug maffia are making lots of money and destroying many lives of young people while the Afghan farmers have little choice but to grow poppy and get scooped by low prices and the risks of being thrown into jail. If the international occopation forces in Afghanistan really had the best at heart for the regular Afghan people they would allow them to grow lots of poppy and sell it for a good price to Western pharmaceutical companies that would turn it into medical morphin, of which there is a huge shortage. Serbia knew how the Albanian maffia worked and was not afraid to confront it and take some action.

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doodah

pre 12 godina

I have as an international in Kosovo met several hundreds of different Mup, VS special unit etc in Kosovo only in 2010 and 2011. Actually most of them south of Ibar. Did you really think otherwise ??
(Staff, 11 June 2011 05:31)
Are you giving us your "special" inside information that Serbia is violating 1244 and international law to a huge degree. I think we need a special investigator and sanctions based on your revelations. Of course we will keep quiet your track record on the other inside information you have previously revealed.

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Roger7

pre 12 godina

roberto said "one day, marty will be brought down for all of his lies. but yes, the belgrade regime has succeeded in diverting attention, exactly as the liars here are able to distract attention from the tuth --temporarily."

Hear Ye, Hear Ye.....the fake expert has spoken.

Those of us who have a difference of opinion from our fake expert, bob-oh from frisco, (who has no first hand knowledge himself)are LIARS. What a load of foul Dung.

Dung!

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Ataman

pre 12 godina

Albanians from the caucauses
(New Zealander, 11 June 2011 00:25)

Albanians DID NOT arrive from Caucasus in masse.
Their presence is well-documented by Romans.

During the time Kosovo was Moesia Roman province the Romans had to keep one legion in the valleys ( = Kosovo i Metohija) to keep the unruly "barbarians" at bay who lived in the mountains and pillaged the area.

These were some Thracian tribes, with only little connection to Illyrians.

Compare: Illyrians were feared sea pirates... and they out of sudden forgot the sea navigation after Romans did withdrow?

Also: Muzaka family is well-known, their churches are in Kastoria - we are talking about 13th-14th Century. At that time Muzaka was already a mighty family, with very strong ties to Konstantinople. It is rather these mountaineers advancing in the history and now better organizing themself (churches appear, nobility appears, first writings - with Greek letters - appear, etc.) than a new ethnic element introduced to Balkans,

It is again to underscore: these tribes primarily lived in the mountains and NOT in valleys and till 12th-13th Century had absolutely no historic relevance except tying down one Roman legion to keep the area safe from raids.

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Velja

pre 12 godina

@To Agim Kelmendi
Your nationalism has pulled the wool over your eyes. You are misinformed . Yesterday’s confession made by a former commander of KLA Nazim Blace confirmed once again that he had committed a lot of murders obeying orders issued by Thaci,the former leader of the notorious KLA The orders were stated to be conveyed by Thaci’s man Azim Sulja whose nick name is Big Uncle.
It is also notorious that Kosovo has been run by criminals and mafia since Nato’s bombing. Though lots of money has been pumped into Kosovo’s economy, it appears that its flow terminated into Thaci and his cronies’ pockets. But they have insatiable appetite for money and they have opted for most desgusting way of acquiring it. It is such a revolting crime that it makes people sick when they hear or read it,so I will not repeat it this time. In order to dispel and refute the accusation,he often releases statements in media ,so poisoning the minds of his citizens.He will never make confessions for his crimes,he will go on exerting his power by means of his criminal environment to eliminate potential witnesses the same way Ramush Haradinaj did. His criminal activities were known long ago but the investigations of the crimes were hampered, his international sponsors deflected accusations. You live in the Never-neverland with breakdown of law and order, run by criminals and mafia. They have no respect for humanity.. They act as if they had never heard of God’s Commandments. They act as if they were Satan’s Disciples.

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Staff

pre 12 godina

Why don't you come to Kosova and see for yourself if you can find a single VS soldier or Serb MUP police officer.
(Agim Kelmendi, 10 June 2011 19:25)

I have as an international in Kosovo met several hundreds of different Mup, VS special unit etc in Kosovo only in 2010 and 2011. Actually most of them south of Ibar. Did you really think otherwise ??

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Ataman

pre 12 godina

He even forgot to comment your 2nd link as this represent not only the language but also their roots ... far away after the Romanian Carpats, somewhere from the mighty steps of Russia.

Tung
(FREEDOM, 10 June 2011 20:56)

Did not know that Elbe / Oder or "Лаба, Одра" as it is on the second link belong to "mighty steps of Russia".
You shouldn't be pro-Russian more than anyone else or more catholic than Pope.

Look at the map better.

The map itself does not support your claim. It clearly shows the Russian Steppes and Ural belonging to different Finnic/Ugric/Turkic tribes. Slavs being between Danube and the Baltic. That corresponds with the known origin of Serbs or Sorbs, currently on the German/Polish border around Bautzen. The Slavs there are even call themself "Serbs" today. Croatians originated somewhat east of that, from the Krakow area.

At least that is what it can be traced back to the time these maps are showing. What was before is a different story - Slavs lived apparently even in Anatolia, see Hittites. And Ugric tribes in Caucaus, too.

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1. Many early Serb churches in Kosova/o do not have the alter facing West, according to Orthodox tradition the alter must face West so as to have the parishioners facing East. The stones in these " early Serbian Orthodox churches" have inscriptions in Albanian. Historians have concluded that these churches were originally Albanian Catholic, their alters do not have to face West.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

For each church like you mentioned - if I verify it in person I pay a six-pack of California Ruby Cabernet. Deal?
I don't know any and I did see a few but I am open. I will also post pictures of what you are saying, Albanian writing included. (AFAIK, Albanians did not have their own writing, they used Greek, Latin, later Arabic in the religious buildings). If you know what you claim, that it is for sure a major sensation.

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Also, Albanians adopted Christianity in the 2nd Century A.D
Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

Yeah, before Constantine, the Great (272 - 337), before Syrians, before Armenians, before Georgians? Wow.

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The Serbs were still Pagans when they invaded Illyrian/Albanian lands.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

Except that Albanians are rather Thracians and not Illyrians.

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2. Many rivers in Kosova/o and Albania have Illyrian names, e.g. Drina, Vjosa, Shkembini, Mati, etc.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

Drina was "Dreinos" in ancient Greek and "Drinus" in Latin.

Vjosë: see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vjosë

For starters: "In Greek Mythology, Aous is an epithet or name of Adonis"

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Furthermore, Dardania is the original Illyrian name for Kosova/o.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

There is no connection between Albanians and Dardanians proven. Why do you forget to mention, the language of Hittites was decyphered by Polish researcher based on his mother tongue? At least that is a proven fact.

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Names of cities (Peja, Gjakova, Ferazaj, Bujanoci) and mountains (Shar, Pastrik, Dajti) are Albanian.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

for instance, Peć, Пећ is like "печь" and that means "furnace", "oven", "stove" in Russian.

Gjakova sounds like "διάκος" (see Hungarian diák, Serbian "ђaк" = pupil) and the word "ђaкон" also in English "deacon".... sounds like reference to a deacon's property ("Djakovo" = "place belonging to a deacon")

Ferizaj is Ferizovo in Bulgarian. According Wiki:

"Its Turkish name derives from a pre-1873 hotel owned by a local Kosovo Albanian named Feriz Shashivari"
This is indeed, Albanian but from 19th Century, when it was a tiny village dominated by the hotel.
But I tell you a secret: for me "Feriz Shashivari" sounds more like a name of a Georgian converted to islam. Tsk, tsk.

I hope you won't claim that "Medvedja" has anything to do with Illyrians ;-)
But I did not found any reference to "Bujanovac". Except that "буянство" means to be unruly... but not in Albanian.
Nomen est omen?

I think we are done. Next please... :-P

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New Zealander

pre 12 godina

1. Many early Serb churches in Kosova/o do not have the alter facing West, according to Orthodox tradition the alter must face West so as to have the parishioners facing East. The stones in these " early Serbian Orthodox churches" have inscriptions in Albanian. Historians have concluded that these churches were originally Albanian Catholic, their alters do not have to face West. Also, Albanians adopted Christianity in the 2nd Century A.D., long before the Serbs came to the Balkans. The Serbs were still Pagans when they invaded Illyrian/Albanian lands.

2. Many rivers in Kosova/o and Albania have Illyrian names, e.g. Drina, Vjosa, Shkembini, Mati, etc. Furthermore, Dardania is the original Illyrian name for Kosova/o. Names of cities (Peja, Gjakova, Ferazaj, Bujanoci) and mountains (Shar, Pastrik, Dajti) are Albanian.
(Theo K., 10 June 2011 20:49)

My Dead boy tell me; why is there not a single peice of evidence that Albanians arrived in the Balkans until the 10th Century? When you say 'historians examined these' you meant 'Albanian historians examined these' and came to that conclusion. However its fleetingly obvious that theSerbs were there first (thats not to say you cant live there) The Illyrians you speak of were assimilated by the various Balkan invaders (Serbs/Croats from Poland, Bulgarians from the Russian/Ukranian steppes, Albanians from the caucauses, Most Balkan peoples have some Illyrian blood in them, however its perfectly clear none of them are the direct decendents,

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Balkan Anthropologist

pre 12 godina

Dorondosour

I like how your pie chart shows the Illyrians as a separate entity than Albanians.
(Another Canadian Serb, 10 June 2011 18:52)

LOL!! Remember, this was Hoxha's manufactured identity to give these people a sense of history worth reading about. Nice to see his experiments in collective brainwashing is still alive and actively believed :D

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Jovan

pre 12 godina

theo k wrote: "The stones in these " early Serbian Orthodox churches" have inscriptions in Albanian. Historians have concluded that these churches were originally Albanian Catholic,"

well my dear k-albanian friend, if these early serbian orthodox churches are originally albanian catholic churches, ...why are you burning them then? why are you urinating inside these "albanian catholic churches"?

where is that culture of yours, that you are dating back to the 2nd century? where are those stones with albanian inscriptions? please show us some of those stones!

in the late 80ies of the last century, some archeologists from the university of Chicago came to KiM and were searching for albanian traces and they couldn´t find any. there are no monuments, no inscriptions, no indication whatsoever that the Albanians have ever had anything to do with a) KiM as a territory and b) with the ancient illyrians.

what you are referring to, is a quite haevily outdated theory founded by writers and poets of the socalled era of german romance " deutsche romantik " and has no scientific background at all. and therefore, I would love to know which "historians" you are referring to that are "concluding" serbian churches to be "originally albanian". this is almost like fascism what you are doing. trying to falsify history in order to reach a political goal. and since there even are some Albanians proud of their connection to the WWII-Nazis, like this stupid Albanian who opened a "Hitler-cafe" in southern Mitrovica.
http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=703


seems like albanian wishful thinking and phantasy are merging to something like a psychosis.

but it would indeed explain how you Albanians are constantly referring to something that no serious historian today would claim, ...and that you constantly ignore every fact that proves that you are clinging to a phantasy that suits your psyche so well, that you are obsessed with it.

please, Theo K., I have already called upon you to write some comments with more substance, not that kind of rubbish that can be read in the cheap yellow press down there in occupied downtown-Pristina.

toponyms, monuments, sacral buildings, all of it points in one direction, and it´s not the albanian one.

the names you have mentioned, do have an illyrian background, but that has nothing to do with todays Albanians. you simply are not the descendants of the illyrians, no matter how hard you would love to be it.

just one example for you, my dear k-albanian friend. the word or syllable kar or ker, means rock, stone and is of illyrian origin. now, thats the reason why the carpathian mountains are named carpathians. according to your weird logic, the Romanians would be descendants of the illyrians too, or others who live in the carpathians...

so, the illyrian traces in some toponyms are not connected in any way with todays Albanians.

thank god, the Romanians and others up there DO have an own history and do not feel the need to usurp foreign culture and history in order to create some suitable advantage for themselves. because that´s what all those Albanians who claim the illyrian descent are, simple usurpators. nothing more.

and that´s really a shame for you.

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Ataman

pre 12 godina

Hear Ye, Hear Ye.....the fake expert has spoken.

(Roger7, 11 June 2011 15:50)

To tell the truth, I did peek inside of the book he mentioned. It is among better books about the region but of course the author remains an outsider. Still, not bad.

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Jovan

pre 12 godina

@Ataman:

it´s funny though, ...only now I´ve discovered your very nicely written answer to " Theo K. ". really, it was fun reading it, since it is so clearly displaying the total lack of substance in regard to the comments or should I say claims of our dear k-albanian friends in here...

but, I must tell you, do not expect any answer from any of them! you know, I have witnessed it so many times before, and it is really always the same pattern:
first they claim something, with more or less "information" provided, and if you react, if you answer their rubbish, and show them that it is pure nonsense what they are writing, they simply stay quiet. like cowards.

and even this "Theo K." who is very likely no Theo, but rather an Agim or Bekim or whoever, is a non-starter actually. I personally asked him two times to bring up something with more substance, ...but nothing happened.

so, that´s the way our dear k-albanian friends are disqualifying themselves here, it´s just and simply the lack of any kind of knowledge or understanding. just negative attitudes, hatred and ignorance.

and they do not even realize that they are poisoning their very own souls...

once again, thanks for that nicely written contribution, it was really nice to read it.

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