Serbia expects EU to keep promises, president says

“I think I said we are looking you in the eye now in order to see whether you keep your promises. There was no bargaining. We only have a promise ...” he stressed.
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Mr Tadic, there is no bargaining because you are not in that position. You are a powerless weakling.

When you have given them everything they want, including the shirt on your back they will stand there and laugh. Laugh at how Serbia has given them everything, including our sovereignty, for empty promises. Laugh at how we handed over all of our generals, politicians and defenders to be fed to the lions and finally laugh at how you stand there naked, looking them straight in the eye wondering what ever happened to your promise.

People and nations that have no self-respect cannot expect respect. They get treated like rubbish and your EU "partners", after taking everything they can, including the most valuable state assets, will offer you exactly what they want, and that is debt. More debt than you can handle.

After a decade or so of feeding people greed, we will all be on the streets like the Greeks, wondering what went wrong.

will be well once they join the EU
(sj, 8 June 2011 11:47)

Look at Hungary. Since it joined E.U. the salaries did raise 10 times, milk flows in the rivers, river coasts are of honey and the garden fences are made of salami.

Precisely that does await Serbia after it joins E.U.

All you need is little: join NATO, burn some monasteries and elect Mr. Organic Hashish to be the president of Serbia and Sali Berisha as the PM. Is it that hard? Keep one eye on the prize, it's worth it!

Well Tadic it seems you are horribly wrong again, stupid and naive as usual. Or perhaps you know the EU wont keep its promises, but continue to be the lapdog of the EU and lie and deceive your own people even more, utter disgrace.

Mr Tadic if you have not worked it out here is what you have to do:
1. Fulfill all your obligations to the Tribunal or sellout everyone;
2. Recognise Kosovo; and
3. Abandon Republika Srpska to the Bosniaks and Croats.
What will you get after doing all that you ask?
Absolutely NOTHING. Serbia will never be allowed into the EU, but fools like Tadic cannot believe that is true.
What is even sadder is that Serbs in Serbia do not believe that is what will happen to them. There is this hypnotic mantra circulating amongst the so called intelligentsia in Serbia that all will be well once they join the EU – my answer to that is stupidity has its price.

"Serbia expects EU to keep promises, president says"

Gosh, he's so naive ......

European Union = Yugoslavia in 1980, so we have 10 years after which EU will colapse because of debt/poverty and frustration of people. I hope that NATO wont turn the weapons against its citizens like JNA.
(DX, 8 June 2011 11:53)

Yugoslavia collapsed because of Serb nationalism. The only way that EU could collapse is if Serbia is allowed to join.

Mr Tadic

Where is it written that the EU has to keep their promises.

You have fullfilled only 1 request: the handover of (a sick) Mladic.

First recognizing Kosova or no EU for you.

Tung

Cees, as much as a waste of time your pretentious liberal rant was I need to tell you a few things.

First of all you do not understand 'serbian nationalism' at all. This is such a broad idea, but the most of us who are proud serbs do not think of ourselves as better than others or superior in any way, and if you knew more history you would see this. Under the Kingdom of Serbia and then Kingdom of Yugoslavia Serbs always treated minorities well, Jews, Muslims and Catholic Croats could all practice their religions freely withoutn the law preventing them from doing so, you are wrong on that point.

As for your reference to criminals, of course there are serbian drug smugglers, criminals exist in all nations, but these so called 'kosovars' dominate this in Europe, along with other crimes, Kosovos so called independence allows this to flourish.

Finally the EU for Serbia is bad for Serbs in principle. As Yugo below says, many of these countries participated in bombing our people, give me one reason why we should ally ourselves with those who inflicted harm on us, especially as they are not even sorry about it, I dread to think NATO as ever being an option for Serbia, it really pains me to think so. Dont give me this arrogant liberal 'intelligentsia' talk which rants on about being part of the 'modern' world. Since when was it you westerners who decided what it means to be part of the 'modern' world, and for that matter what is 'politically correct' and 'moral'. The way I see it is that westerners with all their immoral acts have no right what so ever to dictate to anyone, because the truth it you see us as inferior, and somehow we need to be changed, please give me a break.

Zoran, sj or The Truth (is there something more nationalistic than having the pretension to possess this ethical high mark?), as my name says: I am Dutch and I will not defend our cowardice at Srebrenica. Though I left the Netherlands long ago, I am proud to be educated there free of prejudices, which gave me the ability to live and work in other countries like Germany, Canada, Kosovo. What I miss in your reactions is openness to the world and I only notice the narrowness of Serbian pride, where I mostly tend to ask: "Based on what?" I know your history, recent and past, which the Serbs shows as not being "super human beings" or "better" than the peoples that surround them or are living further away. Still you are not blaming yourself and your own people for the misery of the Serbian situation, but guilty are the wrong government, the EU, the U.S. the NATO, the Albanians, the Croats or Slovenes. Recently we are reading about the worldwide drug-trade organized by Serbian criminals, but the only thing you are able to point at is the Albanian Mafia, of which we also know. Are Serbian criminals better than other criminals or in the case of for example, Mladic even "heroes"?? Is killing in the name of Serbia a 'carte blanche', which is based on the presumption that it was a necessity to prevent that Serbians would be the victims?
Tadic' government is doing a lot to break out of this Serbian spell started in the 1980-ies and propagated for a long time by the Serbian press, radio and television. The world knows what happened during the wars on the Balkans and we don't need conspiracy-theories to read the realities that took place. At the moment I am reading a book (Kosovo) by a German journalist, Erich Rathfelder who from 1987 lived and worked on the Balkans. He had his contacts every-where, also in Serbia, though he was for one year (1998) "persona non grata" under Milosevic, which he shared with many Serbs at that time. Just try to read this and don't put it aside as if he could be biased and therefore it can't have happened the way he is describing his life and experiences on the Balkans.
Be happy with your government that tries to keep Serbia part of, and open to the 'modern' world.

To Zoran, sj and The Truth:

You are all so right. This business with Serbia and the EU shows, as we can see everywhere else in the world, that behaviour in international politics, with all its bullies and toadies, is almost on the same level as the school yard - and not even a particularly good school at that!

Mr Tadic is, in my opinion, absolutely right in pursuing accession to the EU for the following reasons:
1) After World War II, moves towards European integration was seen by many as an escape from the extreme forms of nationalism which had devastated the continent, (the same forms of nationalism which destroyed Yugoslavia and was responsible for its break up between 1991-2001). One such attempt to unite Europeans was the European Coal and Steel Community, which was declared to be "a first step in the federation of Europe", starting with the aim of eliminating the possibility of further wars between its member states by means of pooling the national heavy industries. Just look back at the Balkan history over the last 3000 years. The EU is a deterrent to war. Tadic knows this and is therefore looking out for the best interest of the Serbian people.
2)The EU has developed a single market through a standardised system of laws which apply in all member states including the abolition of passport controls within the Schengen area. It ensures the free movement of people, goods, services, and capital. Who can deny that this is not a good thing. It will bring the prospect of jobs and wealth to this region, which without the EU would simply not be possible.
So to all the nay sayers on this forum I say. Think carefully before making comments without any foundation. I love the EU. I can work, travel and live anywhere within the EU, without obstructions and have done so many times.

European Union = Yugoslavia in 1980, so we have 10 years after which EU will colapse because of debt/poverty and frustration of people. I hope that NATO wont turn the weapons against its citizens like JNA.

T,
You could not be more wrong about pretty much all that you have said. The EU is not a deterrant to war, by centralising power in Brussels all you do is anger the ordinary citizens in the member states, most importantly the less powerful states, which is what Serbia would be and so much autonomy would be lost. The schengen agreement is an absolute disaster, who ever thought of no borders, next thing you would want names like France, Spain etc to be mere regions but no longer states. It also allows easy movement of criminals from one side of the EU to the other, God forbid Kosovo be allowed into the EU, then they will easily be able to smuggle drugs, humans and weapons across the continent. NO TO EU!

I can work, travel and live anywhere within the EU, without obstructions and have done so many times.
(T, 8 June 2011 14:43)
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Did you get that from a 90s brochure on the EU? How wrong your are. The Eastern European members that joined in 2001 had restrictions on working within many EU member nations. Romania and Bulgaria still have that problem. Ireland had to vote twice on the Lisbon treaty because the EU determined the first vote gave the wrong answer. It is more than just a trading block these day, it has become a dictatorship.

It was Germany and eventually the EC that forced the premature recognitions of Croatia and BiH, which started the conflict and caused the violent breakup of Yugoslavia. Many EU members are in economic turmoil due to the single currency while France has reintroduced border checks for people entering through Italy and the British Prime Minister has announced that multi-culturalism has failed.

Even our EU cheerleader, Mircea, had to leave due to spending cuts.

I agree with T the EU in its present form was the idea of visionaries after the second world war to make sure that nationalist European wars were a thing of the past. Within its membership are countries which were sworn enemies and wouldn't even consider going to war now! Why shouldn't Serbia be a part of this European family along with all its neighbours. Because or Europe wide laws I can work and live in any of its member states without problems, it also means I can travel without restriction. Serbia I agree has a long way to go, and the recent decision by the Dutch parliament has more to do with the Dutch than the Serbs! What is the alternative? An isolated Serbia who's relationshoip with its neighbours will remain difficult.

EU has it's benefits but there are alot of sacrifices a country will give before joining the EU. "The grass is not always greener on the otherside"
Before the breakup of Yugoslavia people had much the same freedoms to leave the country under their passport and travel around the world and be received into other countries with no problems, by using this example, a country like Serbia can do the same and be part of International Economic/Social Community not subjected to EU's strict guidelines or being part of the EU.
The comment made that a country should join the EU to be more friendly to its neighbours is something that is ridiculous, many countries that are not part of the EU are friendly to one another why is joing the EU be any different for Serbia.
Look at all the FYR, they as well as Serbia have been really friendly to one another in many cases companies between former republics actually went into joint ventures for large tenders in the region and in the west.
I blame the pressure placed on the Serbian government by certain political parties as well it's self to enter the EU.
Even if Serbia enters the EU will it be heard?
I am sure people have noticed the real decision makers in the EU are France/Germany. So why join a union when it is influenced by these countries? Weren't they same countries that inflicted harm to Serbia?
Or are we supposed to forget that and move forward?
How can Russia who is not part of the union able to deal with these countries? Easy its called diplomacy and respecting one's internal affairs.

Secondly under the Nedic-regime in 1941 Belgrade was the city that as fastest at that time got rid of the Jew-Problem. Historical evidence you'll find enough on these themes and other ones, which are not belonging to the Serbian history-lessons at school.
(Cees, 8 June 2011 21:24)
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Under the Nedic regime? My goodness, you mean under NAZI occupation. The Jews were living freely in Belgrade until the NAZIs arrived. Do you think that may have influenced anything?

We are proud to have defeated the NAZIs and fascism. We paid a high price but we have always fought for our freedom. It's funny how the old fascists from Europe are resurfacing now, annoyed that Serbia defeated them and are claiming Serbians are now fascists. Still, we resist fascism and we will continue to. We know your lies and we will defeat it with truth.

Here is a challenge, I dare you to disprove the following documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xox7TR11evI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEQpUlh51xU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPiAWbIbAyM

The guy did what in every normal country be considered a normal work: arrest criminals.

Moreover he is 16yr late in doing it, and considers this as something exceptional that must be awarded with quick entry in the gentleman's club.

Yesterday even said: EU should take this chance and accelerate our membership... what????

You need a serious reality check in Serbia.

Tadic says: “Serbia expects EU keeps promises”! , wowww, are the president been cheated by EU? Is he naïve and was put in a trap? I don’t think so, this is is in really a Serbian way of make things happen, how worth Madlic? After 20 years hided and now put in private apartment and venerated like hero by serbs he is a cheap confortable coin for Serbia share by averything it wants, Europe by Madlic! No doubt a bargain for Serbia BUT european are naive for be black mailed by Serbian president? Europe wants Serbia finally being a nation not a project of empire and Serbian are very far from this, Serbians want Serbia on EU for benefits brought by the association BUT want continue its path for strangulation of Bosnia, Kosovo and keeping of Vojvodina , Sandsak, and conquest of Macedonia, Montengro, etc. in short make Serboslavia real, this project is incompatible with the EU path, there are no room for empires on 21 century Europe, landlords and peasants are past, so Tadic is representing the “good cop” role, Europe MUST kneel now or he will cry like a deceived boy, hero Madlic fall was his guilty SO the path for Jeremic is open the nacionalists can return to limelight for save Serbia.
The real question is: when world will finally understand that nazi path of the serbians need be stopped and lands need be retook by their owners croats, Albanians Hungarians Bulgarians etc etc and serbians minorities now putting problems on others countries for Serbian sake moved back to Serbia, only then Serbia will understand that “the Serbian dream” is impossible.

Hahaha Cees I refuse to debate with you any longer. I wouldn't post false information if I knew it to be false I wouldn't bother posting it. You are another one of these arrogant liberals who refuses to accept any other point of view (of course you will probably try and accuse me of this), despite the fact that the concept of debate is a liberal one. I highly recommend you either go and find the correct information, or dont bother with any input what so ever as you are highly misinformed and spreading false information.

The Truth is that The Truth doesn't know his own history very well. During the Kingdom of Yugoslavia there were mass-expulsions of Albanians from Kosovo. Secondly under the Nedic-regime in 1941 Belgrade was the city that as fastest at that time got rid of the Jew-Problem. Historical evidence you'll find enough on these themes and other ones, which are not belonging to the Serbian history-lessons at school. Just evade talking about the black sides of Serbian history and you get what you can find under Serbian nationalistic attitudes.
You honour the K.Albanian Mafia too much. They didn't take over either from the Italian nor from the Russian/Serbian mafia in most of the big cities in Western-Europe. You are still big players on that field. Just gimme a break too, you mostly are talking about things you certainly find in these Serbian tabloids, which no one should take as seriously investigating journalism.

Zoran, to send me only links from the Emperor's Clothes, one of the super pro-Serbian propagandists of which I have a lot in my archive (and I have read them all), who are giving 'proofs' of misinterpretations by the Western Media and gives us lots of conspiracy-theories, it will not persuade me. What you should analyse is what Mladic and Karadzic (as also Milosevic) are trying and have tried to make us clear that they didn't do anything wrong. In their defence and in interviews at that time they are mixing up the role of the JNA and defending Yugoslavia at one side and defending Serbia and ONLY Serbian interests and fear to become victims on the other side. They do it freely and where-ever they need it to make their stance. For the world they should be seen as the true defenders of the country Yugoslavia by fighting the Bosniaks, Croatians or Slovenes, for the Serbs at home they are the defenders of Serbia, which should give them the legitimate right to strike first and hard before the Serbs could be done any harm. They forget to mention that from 1992 the JNA was a pure Serbian army, because all the other pre-Yugoslavian republics had left the army, even the Macedonians. Only Montenegrins and some Kosovo-Albanians were forced to be part of it, but out of security reasons the last ones were left without bullets for their guns.
The Serbian JNA captured half of Croatia, because everywhere where a Serbian minority existed, it was Serbian land; the same was to be applied in Bosnia. The world should believe that Serbia was only defending Yugoslavia and what happened was in fact a civil war. On the other hand these Serbian leaders had to assure the Serbian people that they knew what had to be done to preserve ‘Serbian’ land. In this way you can understand Mladic’s words after taking Srebrenica, which was a city with a Muslim majority. He is donating the city to the Serbian people by expelling the majority, a thing which Milosevic tried a few Years later on a much larger scale by expelling 800.000 Albanians out of Kosovo.
The results as so often in this world: Croats expelled Serbs; Kosovo-Albanians did the same with Kosovo-Serbs. Emperor Clothes as one of a few can try to put a twist on happenings of which I have a lot of different narratives by eye-witnesses. They can’t silence the cries of the bones coming from the slaughter-fields. You may always find people who are denying the evils done on the Balkan; you may even find some who are proud of it. Glorification and trivialization of violence is a dangerous threat.

Zoran, sj or The Truth (is there something more nationalistic than having the pretension to possess this ethical high mark?), as my name says: I am Dutch and I will not defend our cowardice at Srebrenica. Though I left the Netherlands long ago, I am proud to be educated there free of prejudices, which gave me the ability to live and work in other countries like Germany, Canada, Kosovo. What I miss in your reactions is openness to the world and I only notice the narrowness of Serbian pride, where I mostly tend to ask: "Based on what?" I know your history, recent and past, which the Serbs shows as not being "super human beings" or "better" than the peoples that surround them or are living further away. Still you are not blaming yourself and your own people for the misery of the Serbian situation, but guilty are the wrong government, the EU, the U.S. the NATO, the Albanians, the Croats or Slovenes. Recently we are reading about the worldwide drug-trade organized by Serbian criminals, but the only thing you are able to point at is the Albanian Mafia, of which we also know. Are Serbian criminals better than other criminals or in the case of for example, Mladic even "heroes"?? Is killing in the name of Serbia a 'carte blanche', which is based on the presumption that it was a necessity to prevent that Serbians would be the victims?
Tadic' government is doing a lot to break out of this Serbian spell started in the 1980-ies and propagated for a long time by the Serbian press, radio and television. The world knows what happened during the wars on the Balkans and we don't need conspiracy-theories to read the realities that took place. At the moment I am reading a book (Kosovo) by a German journalist, Erich Rathfelder who from 1987 lived and worked on the Balkans. He had his contacts every-where, also in Serbia, though he was for one year (1998) "persona non grata" under Milosevic, which he shared with many Serbs at that time. Just try to read this and don't put it aside as if he could be biased and therefore it can't have happened the way he is describing his life and experiences on the Balkans.
Be happy with your government that tries to keep Serbia part of, and open to the 'modern' world.

Mr Tadic

Where is it written that the EU has to keep their promises.

You have fullfilled only 1 request: the handover of (a sick) Mladic.

First recognizing Kosova or no EU for you.

Tung

European Union = Yugoslavia in 1980, so we have 10 years after which EU will colapse because of debt/poverty and frustration of people. I hope that NATO wont turn the weapons against its citizens like JNA.
(DX, 8 June 2011 11:53)

Yugoslavia collapsed because of Serb nationalism. The only way that EU could collapse is if Serbia is allowed to join.

T,
You could not be more wrong about pretty much all that you have said. The EU is not a deterrant to war, by centralising power in Brussels all you do is anger the ordinary citizens in the member states, most importantly the less powerful states, which is what Serbia would be and so much autonomy would be lost. The schengen agreement is an absolute disaster, who ever thought of no borders, next thing you would want names like France, Spain etc to be mere regions but no longer states. It also allows easy movement of criminals from one side of the EU to the other, God forbid Kosovo be allowed into the EU, then they will easily be able to smuggle drugs, humans and weapons across the continent. NO TO EU!

Mr Tadic is, in my opinion, absolutely right in pursuing accession to the EU for the following reasons:
1) After World War II, moves towards European integration was seen by many as an escape from the extreme forms of nationalism which had devastated the continent, (the same forms of nationalism which destroyed Yugoslavia and was responsible for its break up between 1991-2001). One such attempt to unite Europeans was the European Coal and Steel Community, which was declared to be "a first step in the federation of Europe", starting with the aim of eliminating the possibility of further wars between its member states by means of pooling the national heavy industries. Just look back at the Balkan history over the last 3000 years. The EU is a deterrent to war. Tadic knows this and is therefore looking out for the best interest of the Serbian people.
2)The EU has developed a single market through a standardised system of laws which apply in all member states including the abolition of passport controls within the Schengen area. It ensures the free movement of people, goods, services, and capital. Who can deny that this is not a good thing. It will bring the prospect of jobs and wealth to this region, which without the EU would simply not be possible.
So to all the nay sayers on this forum I say. Think carefully before making comments without any foundation. I love the EU. I can work, travel and live anywhere within the EU, without obstructions and have done so many times.

The guy did what in every normal country be considered a normal work: arrest criminals.

Moreover he is 16yr late in doing it, and considers this as something exceptional that must be awarded with quick entry in the gentleman's club.

Yesterday even said: EU should take this chance and accelerate our membership... what????

You need a serious reality check in Serbia.

I agree with T the EU in its present form was the idea of visionaries after the second world war to make sure that nationalist European wars were a thing of the past. Within its membership are countries which were sworn enemies and wouldn't even consider going to war now! Why shouldn't Serbia be a part of this European family along with all its neighbours. Because or Europe wide laws I can work and live in any of its member states without problems, it also means I can travel without restriction. Serbia I agree has a long way to go, and the recent decision by the Dutch parliament has more to do with the Dutch than the Serbs! What is the alternative? An isolated Serbia who's relationshoip with its neighbours will remain difficult.

I can work, travel and live anywhere within the EU, without obstructions and have done so many times.
(T, 8 June 2011 14:43)
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Did you get that from a 90s brochure on the EU? How wrong your are. The Eastern European members that joined in 2001 had restrictions on working within many EU member nations. Romania and Bulgaria still have that problem. Ireland had to vote twice on the Lisbon treaty because the EU determined the first vote gave the wrong answer. It is more than just a trading block these day, it has become a dictatorship.

It was Germany and eventually the EC that forced the premature recognitions of Croatia and BiH, which started the conflict and caused the violent breakup of Yugoslavia. Many EU members are in economic turmoil due to the single currency while France has reintroduced border checks for people entering through Italy and the British Prime Minister has announced that multi-culturalism has failed.

Even our EU cheerleader, Mircea, had to leave due to spending cuts.

Zoran, to send me only links from the Emperor's Clothes, one of the super pro-Serbian propagandists of which I have a lot in my archive (and I have read them all), who are giving 'proofs' of misinterpretations by the Western Media and gives us lots of conspiracy-theories, it will not persuade me. What you should analyse is what Mladic and Karadzic (as also Milosevic) are trying and have tried to make us clear that they didn't do anything wrong. In their defence and in interviews at that time they are mixing up the role of the JNA and defending Yugoslavia at one side and defending Serbia and ONLY Serbian interests and fear to become victims on the other side. They do it freely and where-ever they need it to make their stance. For the world they should be seen as the true defenders of the country Yugoslavia by fighting the Bosniaks, Croatians or Slovenes, for the Serbs at home they are the defenders of Serbia, which should give them the legitimate right to strike first and hard before the Serbs could be done any harm. They forget to mention that from 1992 the JNA was a pure Serbian army, because all the other pre-Yugoslavian republics had left the army, even the Macedonians. Only Montenegrins and some Kosovo-Albanians were forced to be part of it, but out of security reasons the last ones were left without bullets for their guns.
The Serbian JNA captured half of Croatia, because everywhere where a Serbian minority existed, it was Serbian land; the same was to be applied in Bosnia. The world should believe that Serbia was only defending Yugoslavia and what happened was in fact a civil war. On the other hand these Serbian leaders had to assure the Serbian people that they knew what had to be done to preserve ‘Serbian’ land. In this way you can understand Mladic’s words after taking Srebrenica, which was a city with a Muslim majority. He is donating the city to the Serbian people by expelling the majority, a thing which Milosevic tried a few Years later on a much larger scale by expelling 800.000 Albanians out of Kosovo.
The results as so often in this world: Croats expelled Serbs; Kosovo-Albanians did the same with Kosovo-Serbs. Emperor Clothes as one of a few can try to put a twist on happenings of which I have a lot of different narratives by eye-witnesses. They can’t silence the cries of the bones coming from the slaughter-fields. You may always find people who are denying the evils done on the Balkan; you may even find some who are proud of it. Glorification and trivialization of violence is a dangerous threat.

“I think I said we are looking you in the eye now in order to see whether you keep your promises. There was no bargaining. We only have a promise ...” he stressed.
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Mr Tadic, there is no bargaining because you are not in that position. You are a powerless weakling.

When you have given them everything they want, including the shirt on your back they will stand there and laugh. Laugh at how Serbia has given them everything, including our sovereignty, for empty promises. Laugh at how we handed over all of our generals, politicians and defenders to be fed to the lions and finally laugh at how you stand there naked, looking them straight in the eye wondering what ever happened to your promise.

People and nations that have no self-respect cannot expect respect. They get treated like rubbish and your EU "partners", after taking everything they can, including the most valuable state assets, will offer you exactly what they want, and that is debt. More debt than you can handle.

After a decade or so of feeding people greed, we will all be on the streets like the Greeks, wondering what went wrong.

will be well once they join the EU
(sj, 8 June 2011 11:47)

Look at Hungary. Since it joined E.U. the salaries did raise 10 times, milk flows in the rivers, river coasts are of honey and the garden fences are made of salami.

Precisely that does await Serbia after it joins E.U.

All you need is little: join NATO, burn some monasteries and elect Mr. Organic Hashish to be the president of Serbia and Sali Berisha as the PM. Is it that hard? Keep one eye on the prize, it's worth it!

The Truth is that The Truth doesn't know his own history very well. During the Kingdom of Yugoslavia there were mass-expulsions of Albanians from Kosovo. Secondly under the Nedic-regime in 1941 Belgrade was the city that as fastest at that time got rid of the Jew-Problem. Historical evidence you'll find enough on these themes and other ones, which are not belonging to the Serbian history-lessons at school. Just evade talking about the black sides of Serbian history and you get what you can find under Serbian nationalistic attitudes.
You honour the K.Albanian Mafia too much. They didn't take over either from the Italian nor from the Russian/Serbian mafia in most of the big cities in Western-Europe. You are still big players on that field. Just gimme a break too, you mostly are talking about things you certainly find in these Serbian tabloids, which no one should take as seriously investigating journalism.

EU has it's benefits but there are alot of sacrifices a country will give before joining the EU. "The grass is not always greener on the otherside"
Before the breakup of Yugoslavia people had much the same freedoms to leave the country under their passport and travel around the world and be received into other countries with no problems, by using this example, a country like Serbia can do the same and be part of International Economic/Social Community not subjected to EU's strict guidelines or being part of the EU.
The comment made that a country should join the EU to be more friendly to its neighbours is something that is ridiculous, many countries that are not part of the EU are friendly to one another why is joing the EU be any different for Serbia.
Look at all the FYR, they as well as Serbia have been really friendly to one another in many cases companies between former republics actually went into joint ventures for large tenders in the region and in the west.
I blame the pressure placed on the Serbian government by certain political parties as well it's self to enter the EU.
Even if Serbia enters the EU will it be heard?
I am sure people have noticed the real decision makers in the EU are France/Germany. So why join a union when it is influenced by these countries? Weren't they same countries that inflicted harm to Serbia?
Or are we supposed to forget that and move forward?
How can Russia who is not part of the union able to deal with these countries? Easy its called diplomacy and respecting one's internal affairs.

Cees, as much as a waste of time your pretentious liberal rant was I need to tell you a few things.

First of all you do not understand 'serbian nationalism' at all. This is such a broad idea, but the most of us who are proud serbs do not think of ourselves as better than others or superior in any way, and if you knew more history you would see this. Under the Kingdom of Serbia and then Kingdom of Yugoslavia Serbs always treated minorities well, Jews, Muslims and Catholic Croats could all practice their religions freely withoutn the law preventing them from doing so, you are wrong on that point.

As for your reference to criminals, of course there are serbian drug smugglers, criminals exist in all nations, but these so called 'kosovars' dominate this in Europe, along with other crimes, Kosovos so called independence allows this to flourish.

Finally the EU for Serbia is bad for Serbs in principle. As Yugo below says, many of these countries participated in bombing our people, give me one reason why we should ally ourselves with those who inflicted harm on us, especially as they are not even sorry about it, I dread to think NATO as ever being an option for Serbia, it really pains me to think so. Dont give me this arrogant liberal 'intelligentsia' talk which rants on about being part of the 'modern' world. Since when was it you westerners who decided what it means to be part of the 'modern' world, and for that matter what is 'politically correct' and 'moral'. The way I see it is that westerners with all their immoral acts have no right what so ever to dictate to anyone, because the truth it you see us as inferior, and somehow we need to be changed, please give me a break.

European Union = Yugoslavia in 1980, so we have 10 years after which EU will colapse because of debt/poverty and frustration of people. I hope that NATO wont turn the weapons against its citizens like JNA.

Tadic says: “Serbia expects EU keeps promises”! , wowww, are the president been cheated by EU? Is he naïve and was put in a trap? I don’t think so, this is is in really a Serbian way of make things happen, how worth Madlic? After 20 years hided and now put in private apartment and venerated like hero by serbs he is a cheap confortable coin for Serbia share by averything it wants, Europe by Madlic! No doubt a bargain for Serbia BUT european are naive for be black mailed by Serbian president? Europe wants Serbia finally being a nation not a project of empire and Serbian are very far from this, Serbians want Serbia on EU for benefits brought by the association BUT want continue its path for strangulation of Bosnia, Kosovo and keeping of Vojvodina , Sandsak, and conquest of Macedonia, Montengro, etc. in short make Serboslavia real, this project is incompatible with the EU path, there are no room for empires on 21 century Europe, landlords and peasants are past, so Tadic is representing the “good cop” role, Europe MUST kneel now or he will cry like a deceived boy, hero Madlic fall was his guilty SO the path for Jeremic is open the nacionalists can return to limelight for save Serbia.
The real question is: when world will finally understand that nazi path of the serbians need be stopped and lands need be retook by their owners croats, Albanians Hungarians Bulgarians etc etc and serbians minorities now putting problems on others countries for Serbian sake moved back to Serbia, only then Serbia will understand that “the Serbian dream” is impossible.

Secondly under the Nedic-regime in 1941 Belgrade was the city that as fastest at that time got rid of the Jew-Problem. Historical evidence you'll find enough on these themes and other ones, which are not belonging to the Serbian history-lessons at school.
(Cees, 8 June 2011 21:24)
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Under the Nedic regime? My goodness, you mean under NAZI occupation. The Jews were living freely in Belgrade until the NAZIs arrived. Do you think that may have influenced anything?

We are proud to have defeated the NAZIs and fascism. We paid a high price but we have always fought for our freedom. It's funny how the old fascists from Europe are resurfacing now, annoyed that Serbia defeated them and are claiming Serbians are now fascists. Still, we resist fascism and we will continue to. We know your lies and we will defeat it with truth.

Here is a challenge, I dare you to disprove the following documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xox7TR11evI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEQpUlh51xU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPiAWbIbAyM

Hahaha Cees I refuse to debate with you any longer. I wouldn't post false information if I knew it to be false I wouldn't bother posting it. You are another one of these arrogant liberals who refuses to accept any other point of view (of course you will probably try and accuse me of this), despite the fact that the concept of debate is a liberal one. I highly recommend you either go and find the correct information, or dont bother with any input what so ever as you are highly misinformed and spreading false information.

Well Tadic it seems you are horribly wrong again, stupid and naive as usual. Or perhaps you know the EU wont keep its promises, but continue to be the lapdog of the EU and lie and deceive your own people even more, utter disgrace.

Mr Tadic if you have not worked it out here is what you have to do:
1. Fulfill all your obligations to the Tribunal or sellout everyone;
2. Recognise Kosovo; and
3. Abandon Republika Srpska to the Bosniaks and Croats.
What will you get after doing all that you ask?
Absolutely NOTHING. Serbia will never be allowed into the EU, but fools like Tadic cannot believe that is true.
What is even sadder is that Serbs in Serbia do not believe that is what will happen to them. There is this hypnotic mantra circulating amongst the so called intelligentsia in Serbia that all will be well once they join the EU – my answer to that is stupidity has its price.

To Zoran, sj and The Truth:

You are all so right. This business with Serbia and the EU shows, as we can see everywhere else in the world, that behaviour in international politics, with all its bullies and toadies, is almost on the same level as the school yard - and not even a particularly good school at that!

"Serbia expects EU to keep promises, president says"

Gosh, he's so naive ......