President calls on EU "to keep its word"

Let this be a message to all the Albanians who continuously spam this website in some kind of pathetic attempt to break Serbian public opinion. They and their ilk have no right to one square inch of Serbian soil, or land belonging to any other country for that matter. Albanians should focus on trying to bring their own turf (ie, Albania) up to scratch and to show the world that they can make a positive contribution to society instead of spreading intolerance, backwardness and criminality.

Ha ha ha, Freedom, "Kosova" putting some pressure on Serbia, that's a good one. And what form will this pressure be? Your Kosovo is a stillborn, totally dependent, black hole that is going nowhere. As for Tadic going to the Hague, can you explain for what crime exactly? You, Mrs/Mr Freedom, are more confused than than your gangster organ-harvester KLA leaders in Pristina.

"First of all let me get something straight. I am neither Serbian or Albanian, so I like to think that my view is unbiased."

Anonynous board buddy, you are a Serb...

"Unlike, for instance, Scotland and Ireland which were both independent territories before the English conquered them, Kosovo was never part of Albania and never a territory of the Albanians living there now and claiming independence."
Well thank you great historian, you are right Albanians have been living in the fake border state of courent Albania and they never ever were outside that perfect border :D. When the great Serbs were claiming Shkodra the capital of Illiria, or the black sea of Bulgaria a lot of ultra nationalist Serbs forget about it, convenient and unbiased?



"I don't agree with the genocidal actions of Milosevic but I do believe that Tadic is right in proclaiming to never give up this land to the Albanians or anyone else for that matter."

Do you really think is his decision? The criminal class in Serbia is number one, anybody that even says anything out of line with the criminals gets a bullet there. Nobody is doing anything because its good, but because they are cowards. Djindic... and his mystery is still out.

"The Albanians living there now were cordially invited by Tito"
This great Serb lie still echoes? All of you seam to be ducks on empty.


"(after which they multiplied like rabbits)"
Jealous much? Or are you the new Chinese murder cops of twins?

"and then slowly, bit by bit, ousting the indigenous population of Serbs." Serboi are older and further from you, sorry buddy, a slavic population are immigrants and not autochtone in the balkans. no matter how deep you got confused, keep the spoons to yourselfic/



"There could be and should be room for both peoples to live under one flag, but that flag should and will always be RED, BLUE and WHITE!
(T, 7 June 2011 11:08)"

Russian? French? Ductch? No way Serbia lol.
But keep having your delusional "unbiased" dreams up.
Will you take away the white chicken out of it too maybe?


The genocidal Serbs should mind their own business. 2 million people do not regard Serbia as anything more than a dying old hag who is on lying steroids everyday. As Serbs have no morals nor do they have a responsibility for what they say or do. They have been fed so much bs that they often need to burn kill and terrorize their neighbors as a let down mechanism. Except for Romania who shares stolen Hungarian land with Serbia, the whole region is happy with Kosovo and recognize it, not Serbias borders.

What is even funny is the neonazzis who are desperately trying to tell the Albanians what they are and who they are, but than as i said, Slavs are way too far to know anything, stick to your IC and Ski, we stick to our own Sharr mountains the Adriatik and Ionnia ;)

Take your itching train somewhere were is wanted like latin america or deep africa. Enjoy ;)

First of all let me get something straight. I am neither Serbian or Albanian, so I like to think that my view is unbiased.
Unlike, for instance, Scotland and Ireland which were both independent territories before the English conquered them, Kosovo was never part of Albania and never a territory of the Albanians living there now and claiming independence.
I don't agree with the genocidal actions of Milosevic but I do believe that Tadic is right in proclaiming to never give up this land to the Albanians or anyone else for that matter. The Albanians living there now were cordially invited by Tito (after which they multiplied like rabbits) and then slowly, bit by bit, ousting the indigenous population of Serbs. There could be and should be room for both peoples to live under one flag, but that flag should and will always be RED, BLUE and WHITE!

Propaganda-war will intensyfy as Tadic hasn't been granted that Serbia will be put in a fast track for Eu membership...so he is playing hardball on the Kosovo issue while at home things are crumbling..how many times in the Balkans we have seen this kind of politics ?...always..

History has shown that when Serbs say NEVER the opposite is true. Unlikely that Serbs have learned from history.

Miles away from reformation of old mentality.

"He said that Belgrade's dialog with Priština, i.e., the Kosovo Albanian authorities, was part of the efforts to enter the EU without a new conflict to burden the community of European countries."

Serbia should not be involved in any dialog with these albanian terrorists!
The US and the EU have a no negotiating policy with terrorists.
Serbia should do the same.
Islolation is the best option!
Let the albanian organ traffickers rot in their newly created black hole!

Check the archives, I was right again! ITS OVAH! Puts Cosic's & Dacic's partition statements into prerspective as orchestated stunts to demoralize the other side looking for disunity in our ranks, these statements are like Putin's fake spats with Lukashenko, Shmatko's S.Stream cancelation and the fake SPC schizm last summer so get ready for RE-INTEGRATION WITH SERBIA
(highduke, 7 June 2011 10:41)

You have a better chance of geting hit by lightning than your dream re-integation.

albanians are indiginous.
(vaso, 7 June 2011 12:43)

Yes, in the mountains, not in the valleys. 90-95% geographic places in Kosovo have Serbian names in Albanian language and the area is without any trace of Albanian history. Albanians settled there recently only, coming from other, close-by areas and mountains above Kosovo i Metohija.

The Serbian pathetic puppet begging his masters for hand outs..

Listen Tadic, your masters are not obliged to anything, as long as you run their errands and jump when they say so, that is.

Serbia has hit rock bottom with it´s current quisling regime. If and when you take to the streets (Balkan spring? Why not, Greece and Spain are already at it) and unseat your imposed dictator then, there will only be one way and that is to build your democrasy according to your own local culture and traditions, not to copy the anglo-american failed version.

see you out there!

indeed, progresso, this boy, tung, seems to be confused. heavily confused.

he doesn´t even realize that Tadic is a western vassal...

sometimes I ask myself how old these kiddies are, when they are sitting behind a keyboard while typing so much nonsense... poor kids, actually, if you think of how much hatred their parents have taught them.

they are perhaps poisoned for life.

"We are fighting for our interests by using all legal means available [...]"

well the legal answer you had it at ICJ at the "moment of truth" as you officially defined the ICJ trial.

from moral point of view you never ever had any grounds as no one in Kosova ever loved Serbia- you were there the face of the violence and terror for 95% of the Kosovar population.

Consequently your "never" is both illegal and immoral.

Check the archives, I was right again! ITS OVAH! Puts Cosic's & Dacic's partition statements into prerspective as orchestated stunts to demoralize the other side looking for disunity in our ranks, these statements are like Putin's fake spats with Lukashenko, Shmatko's S.Stream cancelation and the fake SPC schizm last summer so get ready for RE-INTEGRATION WITH SERBIA

This is what you also said with delivering Tadic to the international war-tribunal.

If EU & US & Kosova put some pressure on Serbia, you will eventually go along as requested.

Tung

I have a lot of sympathy with the President's actions but it fails to understand the reality on the ground. At some stage Serbs will have to come to terms with the fact that Kosovo Albanian's don't want to be part of the state of Serbia. This is a problem the UK will have to face a some stage too. Northern Ireland will I think eventually leave the UK and become part of the Repoublic of Ireland and Scotland is talking about holding a referendum of its citizens on whether to leave the UK. Thankfully the EU offers a structure for all these States/regions. Shouldn't President Tadic's priorities be creating jobs, improving education and the health for his fellow citizens.

mr tadic in kosovo they dont care what you or your thugs think.the bottom line is that you keep way from kosovo and if you dont another nato air show is on your way.

First of all let me get something straight. I am neither Serbian or Albanian, so I like to think that my view is unbiased.
Unlike, for instance, Scotland and Ireland which were both independent territories before the English conquered them, Kosovo was never part of Albania and never a territory of the Albanians living there now and claiming independence.
I don't agree with the genocidal actions of Milosevic but I do believe that Tadic is right in proclaiming to never give up this land to the Albanians or anyone else for that matter. The Albanians living there now were cordially invited by Tito (after which they multiplied like rabbits) and then slowly, bit by bit, ousting the indigenous population of Serbs. There could be and should be room for both peoples to live under one flag, but that flag should and will always be RED, BLUE and WHITE!
(T, 7 June 2011 11:08)
yes you are absolutely right, serbians are like the english in northern ireland. albanians are indiginous. open your mind to true unbiased history

Tadic is really wanting for Serbia to enter the EU.
Wouldn't it be better for Serbia to try to find it's feet first economically and socially before trying to speed up the process of entering the EU? As it seems with the current government that the EU will solve all of Serbia's problems it may as well create new ones.

sadly, we have yet to hear one intelligent question or comment regarding the substance of the report.
tung. robert frisco
(roberto, 7 June 2011 19:59)
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No one can say anything intelligent about your report because it wasn't intelligent to begin with. All you want is undeserved praise but when it comes to your report my only comment is, as the saying goes, you can't polish a turd. Also, vanity will get you nowhere!

I read half of it and believe me that was a big effort. Your attempt to link Serbians to NAZIs is so desperate that you don't realise Albanians were working at that "facility" for decades. Maybe you offended them so they don't even care what you write.

Now the NATO court did an investigation into those allegations and released a report in October 1999. They found not even one body and if there was a trace of evidence, like some clothes lying about, they would have made a huge fuss over it. Remember, this investigation was conducted freely and without any mafia pressure, unlike the organ trafficking investigation.

The system in Serbia was the same as at the time of Slobodan Milosevic, because people who have worked at that time working and now, says former Prime Minister of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Milan Panic, who thinks of his former residence in Serbia, seven years ago, almost nothing changed..this is so true just keep going like that MR Tadic and will se what happen in the future....

"Dialogue with the Kosovo Albanian authorities, was part of the efforts to enter the EU without a new conflict to burden the community of European countries"

keep on going Tadic! one day you mention partition the other conflict, reading between the line he sounds more like Milosevic.

he is looks stressed also! its as though he has been told that "some" country's will not accept Serbia in the EU without recognising Kosovo's UDI. lol what a surprise.

Albs come on here saying how nothing has changed in Serbia. Have they been to Tirana and pristina lately? I have, and it's actually gotten worse.

This week Tadic chose to be a funny guy. EU is not hiding Serbia war criminals.

nobody is asking you to accept kosova independance, agree to disagree and good neighbourly relations or as best as you can.

Tadic says the same thing every second month so what's new? It's sad to see ethnic Albanians here throwing a tantrum and spreading hate each time. Grow up please.

If, as you claim, "Kosova" is independent then why worry? Otherwise learn to negotiate, compromise and do something good for a change.

"I as president will neither implicitly nor explicitly recognize Kosovo," Tadić said.

'Like a broken record'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUumJcrnwbs

nobody is asking you to accept kosova independance, agree to disagree and good neighbourly relations or as best as you can.
(johnny, 7 June 2011 12:58)

Nobody is asking you to promote Kosova independence, agree to disagree and good neighbourly relations or as best as you can. And that includes Serbian enclaves inside of Kosovo.

Solution:

Step/1: Daytonize + cantonize
Step/2: State union between Beograd and Tirana, possibly Skopje. Kosovo problem dead and buried. So is Greece-Makedonija problem.

Unfortunately since this makes the biggest sense - don't see it will happen.

Knowing Greeks, Makedonians, Albanians, Serbs: every politician would want to be the new Tito and demonstrate, he has the biggest d**k.

Nice to see you again, Johnny - wasn't in Vushtrri this time. Maybe soon later.

The Serbian pathetic puppet begging his masters for hand outs..

Listen Tadic, your masters are not obliged to anything, as long as you run their errands and jump when they say so, that is.

Serbia has hit rock bottom with it´s current quisling regime. If and when you take to the streets (Balkan spring? Why not, Greece and Spain are already at it) and unseat your imposed dictator then, there will only be one way and that is to build your democrasy according to your own local culture and traditions, not to copy the anglo-american failed version.

see you out there!
(wtf, 7 June 2011 17:09)

When a leader of a nation keeps repeating a slogan such as "there is no alternative to EU membership" one knows immediately that he is prepared to attain this membership at any cost including the recognition of kosovo.If Tadic and his party remain in power he will sacrifice all of Serbia's national red lines in the altar of Nato and EU membership.

You only have to look at my own country and you know what i mean.Greece has lost its sovereignty,its democracy and has become a province of the fourth reich.

"We are fighting for our interests by using all legal means available [...]"

well the legal answer you had it at ICJ at the "moment of truth" as you officially defined the ICJ trial.

from moral point of view you never ever had any grounds as no one in Kosova ever loved Serbia- you were there the face of the violence and terror for 95% of the Kosovar population.

Consequently your "never" is both illegal and immoral.
(ben, 7 June 2011 11:41)

You might want to read the ICJ opinion, it says that those who made the declaration of independence are not officially recognised by the UN; therefore international law doesnt apply to them. It also means that; even if Russia and China do recognise; Kosovo cannot be a UN member.
You have no moral grounds either; Burning Churches? Organising a 21st century pogrom of non Albanians? Systematicaly Kidnapping prisoners, taking them over the border and cutting their organs out for sale? Undisputedly the worst war crime in the world since the Nazis turned people into soap .

Now I think that the K Albanians finally have understood that Kosovo will never be a free country recognized like all other countries. I think you Serbs shuld be quite pleased with Tadic as president and Jeremic as FM. There can not be a more crystal clear statement inside the EU than Tadic statement. Kosovo will always be Serbian soil, no more, no less. And I believe that Kosovo might get one or two more recognitions, and then its over. Forever in limbo, a slice of land that have no future and is run by internationals for the important decisions. Poverty, no EU, no UN, no visas, no travel, no jobs. Only this martyr-s¤¤t with a bunch of hillibillies that still think they saved Kosovo. They did not save it. They took it straight down in the mud.

nice to see Chicago and Sydney cheering for revolution.
(Danilo, 7 June 2011 21:42)

At the Australia vs. Serbia soccer friendly last night, I'd estimate that there were probably an equal number of neo-Chetniks and radical nationalists as there are in the city of Belgrade. And Melbourne has only 25,000 or so Serbs.

It's a bit scary when you go to see your country (or, in my case, countries) play each other in a 'friendly' football game, and chants of "Ratko Mladić, Ratko Mladić" are more unanimous and louder than chants of "Srbija, Srbija".

Honestly, I feel sorry for Adem Ljajić; he's playing for the country of his birth, HIS country, yet when he goes to play for his country (by the way, he was, in my opinion, Serbia's best player last night), he has to hear HIS supporters shout the name of the man who is alleged to have ordered the killing of 8,000+ innocent civilians, because they were of the same ethnicity as Adem. I mean, I've been to local soccer matches between ethnic Serbian and Croatian teams and have had to put up with chants of "Za dom, spremni", but hearing your own supporters shout stuff like Ratko's name over and over that would be horrible.

only a solution supported by everyone could be sustainable.
Previously, Tadić stated that Serbia would neither explicitly nor implicitly accept Kosovo's declaration of independence.
"This is the red line we will not cross under any conditions," Tadić said

So basically you are asking for a solution supported by everyone and that could be sustainable and then you go on and offer a solution that is not supported by everyone.Serbia's red lines don't bring any solution.But the solution is there:You take care of the Albanians in Presevo Valley we take care of Serbs in N.Mitrovica.If you bring up territory exchange or Kosovo partition you would have to assure the internatioanl community that no problems will rise in Bosnia or Macedonia as a consequence of that.You and no other serb can guarantee that.So it will come down to agreeing to disagree.Serbia and Kosovo might go towards a model where Serbia will not be pressured to recognize Kosovo but will be forced not to block Kosovo in International Organizations.Serbia will not be a member of EU without solving the Kosovo issue.Tadic it is time to agree to disagree.Live and let live.Red lines will give you some votes in Serbian elections but not EU membership and you know that very well.The question is:How much you care about EU?

--you were there the face of the violence and terror for 95% of the Kosovar population. Consequently your "never" is both illegal and immoral.
(ben, 7 June 2011 11:41)--

Kosova will never be controlled by belgrade again, nor should it. but it will take many generations from now to finally "get" it, sad to say. and the propaganda war is fierce, not the least for the hearts and minds of the youth.

tadic and co. are desperate to get into the eu, but they and their ilk have absolutely no concept of current progressive european values. and many in the eu understand and fear this. they may be morally weak, but they're not total idiots. they are extremely reluctant to import this aggressive, hyper nationalism into their borders.

on the other hand, the common people of the balkans continue to suffer. under their present so-called leadership, esp.ly in serbia. whose only ongoing message is "let them eat nationalism." but on some level, you choose yr leadership, you vote for yr leadership under "democracy." and if they have very reactionary values, then why keep them in power? from milosevic, and thru the present day. we really need to address that.

the trick about mladic: everyone (except here) is quite clear that mladic was harbored by successive blgd regimes. it was obvious under kostunica, it was obvious under tadic and co. every single person we spoke to in blgd, in march, said the same thing: Mladic is here in serbia -- he is alive -- the regime will hand him over, if ever, only when it sees fit. the only thing unknown was exactly where he was, and the exact date of arrest. so in that sense, the handover was perfectly predictable.

and that means that tadic and co., not just certain "unnamed elements," are guilty of harboring the worst mass murderer in europe since ww2. and that's a major crime, even tadic has said so. another major disconnect.

as for the "negotiations," i have yet to see one thing to come out from it, just rhetoric and the usual repetition of "kosovo will always be serbia." in other words, blgd went into the negotiations -- PUSHed the negotiations -- only because the eu required it. i watched stefanovic deny that accusation in belgrade, and i had to laugh out loud. i'm sure that was rude, but to hear such a blatant lie deserves some kind of honest response.

the main thing missing from all of this chitty chat is a total absence of discussion or concern about the missing. during the time of ueber-promotion of the SMEAR report (once, twice, thrice! per day) you would think that the whole of serbia was suddenly really concerned about at least their missing. now you hear not one word. was it really about the missing, or was it just a cheap and sleazy political strategy; that is the question, and i think we all know the answer.

i want to say one thing here about the price of telling the truth, and believe me, there is a price. at the belgrade press conference, when we spoke openly of our war crimes report (Burning Secrets from the Balkans), we were bizarrely denounced by one of their (many?) nationalist journalists -- actually i still am not sure who she was -- and later, the journalists all scattered like flies. so i just watched how it works there, nothing horrible for us, but something quite unfortunate for that society, which is still terrified to come to terms with its dark past.

now here, b92, for whatever reasons, made the decision to publish one of the links. more than once. i think that was a very conscious decision, knowing that much of the material had already appeared on this website, though not for many years. the ARW report was almost surely referenced; Kandic's report certainly was reprinted here, in english, at the end of 2004, and probably some of the follow up investigations.

sadly, we have yet to hear one intelligent question or comment regarding the substance of the report. that has been a bit disappointing. but the trash/ diversions have come, fast and furious. and that is what continues to drag the dialogue, so to speak, down into the gutter. it does NOT have to be that way. this does NOT have to turn into a sleazy Balkan version of the Tattler. unless we allow it. they facilitate such trash, and we engage in it. then the diversion is successful. no talk about substance. it is the oldest trick in the book, but there you go.

Here are a few intelligent related alternatives on the web:

http://bosniaks.net/index.php

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13589558

http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/2008/08/concentration-camps-in-bosnia.html

There are so many more, it is worth exploring. and there is no point in us complaining about the narrow limits here, without offering healthy alternatives.

tung. robert frisco

Thank you Roberto for your consistent and passionate pursue of justice.

Here is something that many Serbs refuse to see from one of the reports.

War crimes tribunal judge Fouad Riad said during Mladic's 1995 indictment-in-absentia that the court had seen evidence of “unimaginable savagery: thousands of men executed and buried in mass graves, hundreds of men buried alive, men and women mutilated and slaughtered, children killed before their mothers' eyes, a grandfather forced to eat the liver of his own grandson.” He added that “these [were] truly scenes from hell, written on the darkest pages of human history.”

they got slaughtered and driven from the valley, the mountains is where they survived, names and places where forgotten and changed by the time they started comming back down. you mean bulgarian toponyms? but it was the serbians who moved clans of albanians into greece
(vaso, 8 June 2011 14:31)

1) There is no evidence of any kind of massive slaughter.
2) Illyrians were infamous and dangerous pirates through antic times.

Out of sudden they forgot the ship building craft, piracy and became mountain brigands, harassing the valley.
On the other hand - out of sudden, too - the mountain brigands of antic times (it is recorded, the Romans had to keep one legion in Moesia to pacify the mountaineers) just disappeared without any trace.

Other solution:

a) the seafarer Ilyrians are the ancestors of Dalmatinci and coastal Crnogorci.
b) the unruly mountaineers of antic times who were pretty much barbarians either became more friendly towards Byzantine Empire (see Muzaka) or moved down to the valleys later.

These two are simply more plausible because there is nothing what would support the slaughter. Would it be, it would be part of Albanian folklore and the Albanian-Byzantine or Albanian-Slavic conflict would be much older.

In the reality the way it is now - that conflict is at best 200-300 years old. Otherwise how you explain, the mother of Skenderbeg is Serbian and Skenderbeg was clearly on the side of Byzantine Empire and Serbian Kingdom.

it is the oldest trick in the book, but there you go.

There are so many more, it is worth exploring. and there is no point in us complaining about the narrow limits here, without offering healthy alternatives.

tung. robert frisco
(roberto, 7 June 2011 19:59)

The oldest trick in the book is to say: "I have no time to answer your question".
I asked you to identify and tell apart for us here what you mean exactly if you say "Bosnians" versus "Croats" versus "Serbs". Yes, what is the criteria you use.

No answer so far, only throwing mud at everything you see as Serbian or Russian. At the same time you can't even tell, what is "serbian". The Dragana thing did not land very luckily either. You know precisely what people think. Despite all this you continue same thing over and over, like swastika + Serbs + Trepca.

Plus totally dumb things ("albo" versus "elbow"). Plus telling the fairy tales that you work for Blic (Blic did interview the head of Serbian delegation). The impression is of a self-obsessed autistic person to say the least.

In addition - totally detached from the reality (see your dreams about settling in Bosnia).

The way you can tell, someone is crazy or not is easy. Anyone who is not crazy will readily admit at one point to be crazy. "Yes, I am totally crazy". The crazy person will hang on the last straw and deny the obvious.

Think about that.

And yes, I am totally crazy. :-P

nice to see Chicago and Sydney cheering for revolution.

albanians are indiginous.
(vaso, 7 June 2011 12:43)

Yes, in the mountains, not in the valleys. 90-95% geographic places in Kosovo have Serbian names in Albanian language and the area is without any trace of Albanian history. Albanians settled there recently only, coming from other, close-by areas and mountains above Kosovo i Metohija.
(Ataman, 7 June 2011 14:20)

they got slaughtered and driven from the valley, the mountains is where they survived, names and places where forgotten and changed by the time they started comming back down. you mean bulgarian toponyms? but it was the serbians who moved clans of albanians into greece

'It's always been my policy to engage with genuine posters but not with cowards that have a hidden agenda while posting under multiple names.'

Leonidas Amen, but you conversed with 'wtf' just below who has posted under multiple names including Go East and others.

As usual, you don't have a firm grasp of history.
(Theo K., 8 June 2011 19:09)

That's a nice name,Theo K.You seem to post for the first time and then you say " as usual" meaning you're someone other than Theo K re-incarnated.

It's always been my policy to engage with genuine posters but not with cowards that have a hidden agenda while posting under multiple names.

I would suggest the EU to wait 16 years, as Serbia dit before they released Mladic. I find it strange that Tadic can have such exigences with the Union.

Leonidas Amen, but you conversed with 'wtf' just below who has posted under multiple names including Go East and others.
(bganon, 9 June 2011 12:44

I agree that i converse with wtf and many others but i've got the impression that he's a genuine poster and i confess we both speak with the same mind on many issues.I understand that you have issues with him as well as others which i would rather don't comment on.

You only have to look at my own country and you know what i mean.Greece has lost its sovereignty,its democracy and has become a province of the fourth reich.
(Leonidas, 7 June 2011 22:20)

As usual, you don't have a firm grasp of history. I don't remember the Third Reich giving Czechoslovakia or Hungary billions of Euros to prop it up for mismanagement of its finances. Furthermore, Greece should be grateful to the Allies for not allowing it to become Communist like its neighbors. However, this is, predictably, what happens when a "nation" is given something for nothing, it produces a welfare state.

'It's always been my policy to engage with genuine posters but not with cowards that have a hidden agenda while posting under multiple names.'

Leonidas that is my position, futher I will make it clear who these people are, as others, like yourself, do not realise it.

There are many people I disagree with here who I respect, as they do not indulge in this type of trolling and multiple votes.

I would caution you to not to believe that somebody is not a troll simply because they say something you agree with.

'It's always been my policy to engage with genuine posters but not with cowards that have a hidden agenda while posting under multiple names.'

Leonidas that is my position, futher I will make it clear who these people are, as others, like yourself, do not realise it.

There are many people I disagree with here who I respect, as they do not indulge in this type of trolling and multiple votes.

I would caution you to not to believe that somebody is not a troll simply because they say something you agree with.

In the reality the way it is now - that conflict is at best 200-300 years old. Otherwise how you explain, the mother of Skenderbeg is Serbian and Skenderbeg was clearly on the side of Byzantine Empire and Serbian Kingdom.
(Ataman, 8 June 2011 22:42)
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Skenderbeu was on the side of the Albanian people, he had no other sides. He reconverted to christianity in order to gain support form the regional christian allies in order to free Albanians from foreign occupation.
In my view point generally speaking Albanians have never held strong beliefs in religion. Why is it that Albanians converted to islam in mass scale durig the Ottoman occupation? If Albanians were trurly religious then they would have kept their christian roots like the Greeks and Serbs. I have said this before on this site: "The religion of Albanians is Albanianism." (P.V.)

First of all let me get something straight. I am neither Serbian or Albanian, so I like to think that my view is unbiased.
Unlike, for instance, Scotland and Ireland which were both independent territories before the English conquered them, Kosovo was never part of Albania and never a territory of the Albanians living there now and claiming independence.
I don't agree with the genocidal actions of Milosevic but I do believe that Tadic is right in proclaiming to never give up this land to the Albanians or anyone else for that matter. The Albanians living there now were cordially invited by Tito (after which they multiplied like rabbits) and then slowly, bit by bit, ousting the indigenous population of Serbs. There could be and should be room for both peoples to live under one flag, but that flag should and will always be RED, BLUE and WHITE!

Let this be a message to all the Albanians who continuously spam this website in some kind of pathetic attempt to break Serbian public opinion. They and their ilk have no right to one square inch of Serbian soil, or land belonging to any other country for that matter. Albanians should focus on trying to bring their own turf (ie, Albania) up to scratch and to show the world that they can make a positive contribution to society instead of spreading intolerance, backwardness and criminality.

"He said that Belgrade's dialog with Priština, i.e., the Kosovo Albanian authorities, was part of the efforts to enter the EU without a new conflict to burden the community of European countries."

Serbia should not be involved in any dialog with these albanian terrorists!
The US and the EU have a no negotiating policy with terrorists.
Serbia should do the same.
Islolation is the best option!
Let the albanian organ traffickers rot in their newly created black hole!

This is what you also said with delivering Tadic to the international war-tribunal.

If EU & US & Kosova put some pressure on Serbia, you will eventually go along as requested.

Tung

Check the archives, I was right again! ITS OVAH! Puts Cosic's & Dacic's partition statements into prerspective as orchestated stunts to demoralize the other side looking for disunity in our ranks, these statements are like Putin's fake spats with Lukashenko, Shmatko's S.Stream cancelation and the fake SPC schizm last summer so get ready for RE-INTEGRATION WITH SERBIA

mr tadic in kosovo they dont care what you or your thugs think.the bottom line is that you keep way from kosovo and if you dont another nato air show is on your way.

I have a lot of sympathy with the President's actions but it fails to understand the reality on the ground. At some stage Serbs will have to come to terms with the fact that Kosovo Albanian's don't want to be part of the state of Serbia. This is a problem the UK will have to face a some stage too. Northern Ireland will I think eventually leave the UK and become part of the Repoublic of Ireland and Scotland is talking about holding a referendum of its citizens on whether to leave the UK. Thankfully the EU offers a structure for all these States/regions. Shouldn't President Tadic's priorities be creating jobs, improving education and the health for his fellow citizens.

History has shown that when Serbs say NEVER the opposite is true. Unlikely that Serbs have learned from history.

Miles away from reformation of old mentality.

Ha ha ha, Freedom, "Kosova" putting some pressure on Serbia, that's a good one. And what form will this pressure be? Your Kosovo is a stillborn, totally dependent, black hole that is going nowhere. As for Tadic going to the Hague, can you explain for what crime exactly? You, Mrs/Mr Freedom, are more confused than than your gangster organ-harvester KLA leaders in Pristina.

"First of all let me get something straight. I am neither Serbian or Albanian, so I like to think that my view is unbiased."

Anonynous board buddy, you are a Serb...

"Unlike, for instance, Scotland and Ireland which were both independent territories before the English conquered them, Kosovo was never part of Albania and never a territory of the Albanians living there now and claiming independence."
Well thank you great historian, you are right Albanians have been living in the fake border state of courent Albania and they never ever were outside that perfect border :D. When the great Serbs were claiming Shkodra the capital of Illiria, or the black sea of Bulgaria a lot of ultra nationalist Serbs forget about it, convenient and unbiased?



"I don't agree with the genocidal actions of Milosevic but I do believe that Tadic is right in proclaiming to never give up this land to the Albanians or anyone else for that matter."

Do you really think is his decision? The criminal class in Serbia is number one, anybody that even says anything out of line with the criminals gets a bullet there. Nobody is doing anything because its good, but because they are cowards. Djindic... and his mystery is still out.

"The Albanians living there now were cordially invited by Tito"
This great Serb lie still echoes? All of you seam to be ducks on empty.


"(after which they multiplied like rabbits)"
Jealous much? Or are you the new Chinese murder cops of twins?

"and then slowly, bit by bit, ousting the indigenous population of Serbs." Serboi are older and further from you, sorry buddy, a slavic population are immigrants and not autochtone in the balkans. no matter how deep you got confused, keep the spoons to yourselfic/



"There could be and should be room for both peoples to live under one flag, but that flag should and will always be RED, BLUE and WHITE!
(T, 7 June 2011 11:08)"

Russian? French? Ductch? No way Serbia lol.
But keep having your delusional "unbiased" dreams up.
Will you take away the white chicken out of it too maybe?


The genocidal Serbs should mind their own business. 2 million people do not regard Serbia as anything more than a dying old hag who is on lying steroids everyday. As Serbs have no morals nor do they have a responsibility for what they say or do. They have been fed so much bs that they often need to burn kill and terrorize their neighbors as a let down mechanism. Except for Romania who shares stolen Hungarian land with Serbia, the whole region is happy with Kosovo and recognize it, not Serbias borders.

What is even funny is the neonazzis who are desperately trying to tell the Albanians what they are and who they are, but than as i said, Slavs are way too far to know anything, stick to your IC and Ski, we stick to our own Sharr mountains the Adriatik and Ionnia ;)

Take your itching train somewhere were is wanted like latin america or deep africa. Enjoy ;)

"We are fighting for our interests by using all legal means available [...]"

well the legal answer you had it at ICJ at the "moment of truth" as you officially defined the ICJ trial.

from moral point of view you never ever had any grounds as no one in Kosova ever loved Serbia- you were there the face of the violence and terror for 95% of the Kosovar population.

Consequently your "never" is both illegal and immoral.

nobody is asking you to accept kosova independance, agree to disagree and good neighbourly relations or as best as you can.
(johnny, 7 June 2011 12:58)

Nobody is asking you to promote Kosova independence, agree to disagree and good neighbourly relations or as best as you can. And that includes Serbian enclaves inside of Kosovo.

Solution:

Step/1: Daytonize + cantonize
Step/2: State union between Beograd and Tirana, possibly Skopje. Kosovo problem dead and buried. So is Greece-Makedonija problem.

Unfortunately since this makes the biggest sense - don't see it will happen.

Knowing Greeks, Makedonians, Albanians, Serbs: every politician would want to be the new Tito and demonstrate, he has the biggest d**k.

Nice to see you again, Johnny - wasn't in Vushtrri this time. Maybe soon later.

albanians are indiginous.
(vaso, 7 June 2011 12:43)

Yes, in the mountains, not in the valleys. 90-95% geographic places in Kosovo have Serbian names in Albanian language and the area is without any trace of Albanian history. Albanians settled there recently only, coming from other, close-by areas and mountains above Kosovo i Metohija.

Propaganda-war will intensyfy as Tadic hasn't been granted that Serbia will be put in a fast track for Eu membership...so he is playing hardball on the Kosovo issue while at home things are crumbling..how many times in the Balkans we have seen this kind of politics ?...always..

This week Tadic chose to be a funny guy. EU is not hiding Serbia war criminals.

Check the archives, I was right again! ITS OVAH! Puts Cosic's & Dacic's partition statements into prerspective as orchestated stunts to demoralize the other side looking for disunity in our ranks, these statements are like Putin's fake spats with Lukashenko, Shmatko's S.Stream cancelation and the fake SPC schizm last summer so get ready for RE-INTEGRATION WITH SERBIA
(highduke, 7 June 2011 10:41)

You have a better chance of geting hit by lightning than your dream re-integation.

Tadic says the same thing every second month so what's new? It's sad to see ethnic Albanians here throwing a tantrum and spreading hate each time. Grow up please.

If, as you claim, "Kosova" is independent then why worry? Otherwise learn to negotiate, compromise and do something good for a change.

indeed, progresso, this boy, tung, seems to be confused. heavily confused.

he doesn´t even realize that Tadic is a western vassal...

sometimes I ask myself how old these kiddies are, when they are sitting behind a keyboard while typing so much nonsense... poor kids, actually, if you think of how much hatred their parents have taught them.

they are perhaps poisoned for life.

--you were there the face of the violence and terror for 95% of the Kosovar population. Consequently your "never" is both illegal and immoral.
(ben, 7 June 2011 11:41)--

Kosova will never be controlled by belgrade again, nor should it. but it will take many generations from now to finally "get" it, sad to say. and the propaganda war is fierce, not the least for the hearts and minds of the youth.

tadic and co. are desperate to get into the eu, but they and their ilk have absolutely no concept of current progressive european values. and many in the eu understand and fear this. they may be morally weak, but they're not total idiots. they are extremely reluctant to import this aggressive, hyper nationalism into their borders.

on the other hand, the common people of the balkans continue to suffer. under their present so-called leadership, esp.ly in serbia. whose only ongoing message is "let them eat nationalism." but on some level, you choose yr leadership, you vote for yr leadership under "democracy." and if they have very reactionary values, then why keep them in power? from milosevic, and thru the present day. we really need to address that.

the trick about mladic: everyone (except here) is quite clear that mladic was harbored by successive blgd regimes. it was obvious under kostunica, it was obvious under tadic and co. every single person we spoke to in blgd, in march, said the same thing: Mladic is here in serbia -- he is alive -- the regime will hand him over, if ever, only when it sees fit. the only thing unknown was exactly where he was, and the exact date of arrest. so in that sense, the handover was perfectly predictable.

and that means that tadic and co., not just certain "unnamed elements," are guilty of harboring the worst mass murderer in europe since ww2. and that's a major crime, even tadic has said so. another major disconnect.

as for the "negotiations," i have yet to see one thing to come out from it, just rhetoric and the usual repetition of "kosovo will always be serbia." in other words, blgd went into the negotiations -- PUSHed the negotiations -- only because the eu required it. i watched stefanovic deny that accusation in belgrade, and i had to laugh out loud. i'm sure that was rude, but to hear such a blatant lie deserves some kind of honest response.

the main thing missing from all of this chitty chat is a total absence of discussion or concern about the missing. during the time of ueber-promotion of the SMEAR report (once, twice, thrice! per day) you would think that the whole of serbia was suddenly really concerned about at least their missing. now you hear not one word. was it really about the missing, or was it just a cheap and sleazy political strategy; that is the question, and i think we all know the answer.

i want to say one thing here about the price of telling the truth, and believe me, there is a price. at the belgrade press conference, when we spoke openly of our war crimes report (Burning Secrets from the Balkans), we were bizarrely denounced by one of their (many?) nationalist journalists -- actually i still am not sure who she was -- and later, the journalists all scattered like flies. so i just watched how it works there, nothing horrible for us, but something quite unfortunate for that society, which is still terrified to come to terms with its dark past.

now here, b92, for whatever reasons, made the decision to publish one of the links. more than once. i think that was a very conscious decision, knowing that much of the material had already appeared on this website, though not for many years. the ARW report was almost surely referenced; Kandic's report certainly was reprinted here, in english, at the end of 2004, and probably some of the follow up investigations.

sadly, we have yet to hear one intelligent question or comment regarding the substance of the report. that has been a bit disappointing. but the trash/ diversions have come, fast and furious. and that is what continues to drag the dialogue, so to speak, down into the gutter. it does NOT have to be that way. this does NOT have to turn into a sleazy Balkan version of the Tattler. unless we allow it. they facilitate such trash, and we engage in it. then the diversion is successful. no talk about substance. it is the oldest trick in the book, but there you go.

Here are a few intelligent related alternatives on the web:

http://bosniaks.net/index.php

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13589558

http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/2008/08/concentration-camps-in-bosnia.html

There are so many more, it is worth exploring. and there is no point in us complaining about the narrow limits here, without offering healthy alternatives.

tung. robert frisco

"Dialogue with the Kosovo Albanian authorities, was part of the efforts to enter the EU without a new conflict to burden the community of European countries"

keep on going Tadic! one day you mention partition the other conflict, reading between the line he sounds more like Milosevic.

he is looks stressed also! its as though he has been told that "some" country's will not accept Serbia in the EU without recognising Kosovo's UDI. lol what a surprise.

"I as president will neither implicitly nor explicitly recognize Kosovo," Tadić said.

'Like a broken record'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUumJcrnwbs

First of all let me get something straight. I am neither Serbian or Albanian, so I like to think that my view is unbiased.
Unlike, for instance, Scotland and Ireland which were both independent territories before the English conquered them, Kosovo was never part of Albania and never a territory of the Albanians living there now and claiming independence.
I don't agree with the genocidal actions of Milosevic but I do believe that Tadic is right in proclaiming to never give up this land to the Albanians or anyone else for that matter. The Albanians living there now were cordially invited by Tito (after which they multiplied like rabbits) and then slowly, bit by bit, ousting the indigenous population of Serbs. There could be and should be room for both peoples to live under one flag, but that flag should and will always be RED, BLUE and WHITE!
(T, 7 June 2011 11:08)
yes you are absolutely right, serbians are like the english in northern ireland. albanians are indiginous. open your mind to true unbiased history

Albs come on here saying how nothing has changed in Serbia. Have they been to Tirana and pristina lately? I have, and it's actually gotten worse.

nobody is asking you to accept kosova independance, agree to disagree and good neighbourly relations or as best as you can.

The system in Serbia was the same as at the time of Slobodan Milosevic, because people who have worked at that time working and now, says former Prime Minister of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Milan Panic, who thinks of his former residence in Serbia, seven years ago, almost nothing changed..this is so true just keep going like that MR Tadic and will se what happen in the future....

The Serbian pathetic puppet begging his masters for hand outs..

Listen Tadic, your masters are not obliged to anything, as long as you run their errands and jump when they say so, that is.

Serbia has hit rock bottom with it´s current quisling regime. If and when you take to the streets (Balkan spring? Why not, Greece and Spain are already at it) and unseat your imposed dictator then, there will only be one way and that is to build your democrasy according to your own local culture and traditions, not to copy the anglo-american failed version.

see you out there!

sadly, we have yet to hear one intelligent question or comment regarding the substance of the report.
tung. robert frisco
(roberto, 7 June 2011 19:59)
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No one can say anything intelligent about your report because it wasn't intelligent to begin with. All you want is undeserved praise but when it comes to your report my only comment is, as the saying goes, you can't polish a turd. Also, vanity will get you nowhere!

I read half of it and believe me that was a big effort. Your attempt to link Serbians to NAZIs is so desperate that you don't realise Albanians were working at that "facility" for decades. Maybe you offended them so they don't even care what you write.

Now the NATO court did an investigation into those allegations and released a report in October 1999. They found not even one body and if there was a trace of evidence, like some clothes lying about, they would have made a huge fuss over it. Remember, this investigation was conducted freely and without any mafia pressure, unlike the organ trafficking investigation.

"We are fighting for our interests by using all legal means available [...]"

well the legal answer you had it at ICJ at the "moment of truth" as you officially defined the ICJ trial.

from moral point of view you never ever had any grounds as no one in Kosova ever loved Serbia- you were there the face of the violence and terror for 95% of the Kosovar population.

Consequently your "never" is both illegal and immoral.
(ben, 7 June 2011 11:41)

You might want to read the ICJ opinion, it says that those who made the declaration of independence are not officially recognised by the UN; therefore international law doesnt apply to them. It also means that; even if Russia and China do recognise; Kosovo cannot be a UN member.
You have no moral grounds either; Burning Churches? Organising a 21st century pogrom of non Albanians? Systematicaly Kidnapping prisoners, taking them over the border and cutting their organs out for sale? Undisputedly the worst war crime in the world since the Nazis turned people into soap .

only a solution supported by everyone could be sustainable.
Previously, Tadić stated that Serbia would neither explicitly nor implicitly accept Kosovo's declaration of independence.
"This is the red line we will not cross under any conditions," Tadić said

So basically you are asking for a solution supported by everyone and that could be sustainable and then you go on and offer a solution that is not supported by everyone.Serbia's red lines don't bring any solution.But the solution is there:You take care of the Albanians in Presevo Valley we take care of Serbs in N.Mitrovica.If you bring up territory exchange or Kosovo partition you would have to assure the internatioanl community that no problems will rise in Bosnia or Macedonia as a consequence of that.You and no other serb can guarantee that.So it will come down to agreeing to disagree.Serbia and Kosovo might go towards a model where Serbia will not be pressured to recognize Kosovo but will be forced not to block Kosovo in International Organizations.Serbia will not be a member of EU without solving the Kosovo issue.Tadic it is time to agree to disagree.Live and let live.Red lines will give you some votes in Serbian elections but not EU membership and you know that very well.The question is:How much you care about EU?

Thank you Roberto for your consistent and passionate pursue of justice.

Here is something that many Serbs refuse to see from one of the reports.

War crimes tribunal judge Fouad Riad said during Mladic's 1995 indictment-in-absentia that the court had seen evidence of “unimaginable savagery: thousands of men executed and buried in mass graves, hundreds of men buried alive, men and women mutilated and slaughtered, children killed before their mothers' eyes, a grandfather forced to eat the liver of his own grandson.” He added that “these [were] truly scenes from hell, written on the darkest pages of human history.”

Now I think that the K Albanians finally have understood that Kosovo will never be a free country recognized like all other countries. I think you Serbs shuld be quite pleased with Tadic as president and Jeremic as FM. There can not be a more crystal clear statement inside the EU than Tadic statement. Kosovo will always be Serbian soil, no more, no less. And I believe that Kosovo might get one or two more recognitions, and then its over. Forever in limbo, a slice of land that have no future and is run by internationals for the important decisions. Poverty, no EU, no UN, no visas, no travel, no jobs. Only this martyr-s¤¤t with a bunch of hillibillies that still think they saved Kosovo. They did not save it. They took it straight down in the mud.

The Serbian pathetic puppet begging his masters for hand outs..

Listen Tadic, your masters are not obliged to anything, as long as you run their errands and jump when they say so, that is.

Serbia has hit rock bottom with it´s current quisling regime. If and when you take to the streets (Balkan spring? Why not, Greece and Spain are already at it) and unseat your imposed dictator then, there will only be one way and that is to build your democrasy according to your own local culture and traditions, not to copy the anglo-american failed version.

see you out there!
(wtf, 7 June 2011 17:09)

When a leader of a nation keeps repeating a slogan such as "there is no alternative to EU membership" one knows immediately that he is prepared to attain this membership at any cost including the recognition of kosovo.If Tadic and his party remain in power he will sacrifice all of Serbia's national red lines in the altar of Nato and EU membership.

You only have to look at my own country and you know what i mean.Greece has lost its sovereignty,its democracy and has become a province of the fourth reich.

You only have to look at my own country and you know what i mean.Greece has lost its sovereignty,its democracy and has become a province of the fourth reich.
(Leonidas, 7 June 2011 22:20)

As usual, you don't have a firm grasp of history. I don't remember the Third Reich giving Czechoslovakia or Hungary billions of Euros to prop it up for mismanagement of its finances. Furthermore, Greece should be grateful to the Allies for not allowing it to become Communist like its neighbors. However, this is, predictably, what happens when a "nation" is given something for nothing, it produces a welfare state.

Tadic is really wanting for Serbia to enter the EU.
Wouldn't it be better for Serbia to try to find it's feet first economically and socially before trying to speed up the process of entering the EU? As it seems with the current government that the EU will solve all of Serbia's problems it may as well create new ones.

'It's always been my policy to engage with genuine posters but not with cowards that have a hidden agenda while posting under multiple names.'

Leonidas Amen, but you conversed with 'wtf' just below who has posted under multiple names including Go East and others.

I would suggest the EU to wait 16 years, as Serbia dit before they released Mladic. I find it strange that Tadic can have such exigences with the Union.

'It's always been my policy to engage with genuine posters but not with cowards that have a hidden agenda while posting under multiple names.'

Leonidas that is my position, futher I will make it clear who these people are, as others, like yourself, do not realise it.

There are many people I disagree with here who I respect, as they do not indulge in this type of trolling and multiple votes.

I would caution you to not to believe that somebody is not a troll simply because they say something you agree with.

nice to see Chicago and Sydney cheering for revolution.
(Danilo, 7 June 2011 21:42)

At the Australia vs. Serbia soccer friendly last night, I'd estimate that there were probably an equal number of neo-Chetniks and radical nationalists as there are in the city of Belgrade. And Melbourne has only 25,000 or so Serbs.

It's a bit scary when you go to see your country (or, in my case, countries) play each other in a 'friendly' football game, and chants of "Ratko Mladić, Ratko Mladić" are more unanimous and louder than chants of "Srbija, Srbija".

Honestly, I feel sorry for Adem Ljajić; he's playing for the country of his birth, HIS country, yet when he goes to play for his country (by the way, he was, in my opinion, Serbia's best player last night), he has to hear HIS supporters shout the name of the man who is alleged to have ordered the killing of 8,000+ innocent civilians, because they were of the same ethnicity as Adem. I mean, I've been to local soccer matches between ethnic Serbian and Croatian teams and have had to put up with chants of "Za dom, spremni", but hearing your own supporters shout stuff like Ratko's name over and over that would be horrible.

they got slaughtered and driven from the valley, the mountains is where they survived, names and places where forgotten and changed by the time they started comming back down. you mean bulgarian toponyms? but it was the serbians who moved clans of albanians into greece
(vaso, 8 June 2011 14:31)

1) There is no evidence of any kind of massive slaughter.
2) Illyrians were infamous and dangerous pirates through antic times.

Out of sudden they forgot the ship building craft, piracy and became mountain brigands, harassing the valley.
On the other hand - out of sudden, too - the mountain brigands of antic times (it is recorded, the Romans had to keep one legion in Moesia to pacify the mountaineers) just disappeared without any trace.

Other solution:

a) the seafarer Ilyrians are the ancestors of Dalmatinci and coastal Crnogorci.
b) the unruly mountaineers of antic times who were pretty much barbarians either became more friendly towards Byzantine Empire (see Muzaka) or moved down to the valleys later.

These two are simply more plausible because there is nothing what would support the slaughter. Would it be, it would be part of Albanian folklore and the Albanian-Byzantine or Albanian-Slavic conflict would be much older.

In the reality the way it is now - that conflict is at best 200-300 years old. Otherwise how you explain, the mother of Skenderbeg is Serbian and Skenderbeg was clearly on the side of Byzantine Empire and Serbian Kingdom.

albanians are indiginous.
(vaso, 7 June 2011 12:43)

Yes, in the mountains, not in the valleys. 90-95% geographic places in Kosovo have Serbian names in Albanian language and the area is without any trace of Albanian history. Albanians settled there recently only, coming from other, close-by areas and mountains above Kosovo i Metohija.
(Ataman, 7 June 2011 14:20)

they got slaughtered and driven from the valley, the mountains is where they survived, names and places where forgotten and changed by the time they started comming back down. you mean bulgarian toponyms? but it was the serbians who moved clans of albanians into greece

it is the oldest trick in the book, but there you go.

There are so many more, it is worth exploring. and there is no point in us complaining about the narrow limits here, without offering healthy alternatives.

tung. robert frisco
(roberto, 7 June 2011 19:59)

The oldest trick in the book is to say: "I have no time to answer your question".
I asked you to identify and tell apart for us here what you mean exactly if you say "Bosnians" versus "Croats" versus "Serbs". Yes, what is the criteria you use.

No answer so far, only throwing mud at everything you see as Serbian or Russian. At the same time you can't even tell, what is "serbian". The Dragana thing did not land very luckily either. You know precisely what people think. Despite all this you continue same thing over and over, like swastika + Serbs + Trepca.

Plus totally dumb things ("albo" versus "elbow"). Plus telling the fairy tales that you work for Blic (Blic did interview the head of Serbian delegation). The impression is of a self-obsessed autistic person to say the least.

In addition - totally detached from the reality (see your dreams about settling in Bosnia).

The way you can tell, someone is crazy or not is easy. Anyone who is not crazy will readily admit at one point to be crazy. "Yes, I am totally crazy". The crazy person will hang on the last straw and deny the obvious.

Think about that.

And yes, I am totally crazy. :-P

'It's always been my policy to engage with genuine posters but not with cowards that have a hidden agenda while posting under multiple names.'

Leonidas that is my position, futher I will make it clear who these people are, as others, like yourself, do not realise it.

There are many people I disagree with here who I respect, as they do not indulge in this type of trolling and multiple votes.

I would caution you to not to believe that somebody is not a troll simply because they say something you agree with.

nice to see Chicago and Sydney cheering for revolution.

As usual, you don't have a firm grasp of history.
(Theo K., 8 June 2011 19:09)

That's a nice name,Theo K.You seem to post for the first time and then you say " as usual" meaning you're someone other than Theo K re-incarnated.

It's always been my policy to engage with genuine posters but not with cowards that have a hidden agenda while posting under multiple names.

Leonidas Amen, but you conversed with 'wtf' just below who has posted under multiple names including Go East and others.
(bganon, 9 June 2011 12:44

I agree that i converse with wtf and many others but i've got the impression that he's a genuine poster and i confess we both speak with the same mind on many issues.I understand that you have issues with him as well as others which i would rather don't comment on.

In the reality the way it is now - that conflict is at best 200-300 years old. Otherwise how you explain, the mother of Skenderbeg is Serbian and Skenderbeg was clearly on the side of Byzantine Empire and Serbian Kingdom.
(Ataman, 8 June 2011 22:42)
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Skenderbeu was on the side of the Albanian people, he had no other sides. He reconverted to christianity in order to gain support form the regional christian allies in order to free Albanians from foreign occupation.
In my view point generally speaking Albanians have never held strong beliefs in religion. Why is it that Albanians converted to islam in mass scale durig the Ottoman occupation? If Albanians were trurly religious then they would have kept their christian roots like the Greeks and Serbs. I have said this before on this site: "The religion of Albanians is Albanianism." (P.V.)